Over the last week a dispute has erupted on Twitter about the relative difficulties faced by young people. One camp, current young people, claim they are entering a world that is much more difficult for them than youth of prior generations. They do not think they have the same opportunities as their parents and grandparents. Another camp thinks that young people are entering relatively good times economically but may have unrealistic expectations regarding adulthood.
To be accurate, there is at least one other camp in this debate. That camp thinks the youth face a demographic reality for which they have not been properly prepared and a prevailing culture that works to prevent that preparation. The relative state of the economy for young people does not matter if they are entering a society that is about to come apart along demographic lines. Young white people have been poorly trained up for a world that should not exist.
As is often the case, the two camps squaring off over economics are on the main stage while the camp looking at upstream issues is marginalized. While economics is downstream from demographics and culture, it still matters. We see this with the oldest demographic who remain stubbornly committed to the system. Baby boomers, overall, have it pretty good, so they still believe in the system, even it means they must endure an emergency room that looks like a Tijuana bus stop.
The economic question for young people is difficult, because it is more about expectations than objective measures. For example, about 16% of native-born teenagers have jobs today, compared to 32% in 1990. On the one hand, this is a bad thing because it means fewer young people getting necessary training to be an adult once they finish their education. On the other hand, it means they have an easier time of it than prior generations who had to work.
Those over the age of fifty love telling stories about the terrible jobs they had as young people, while no one under the age of thirty complains about not having had crappy jobs to make ends meet. In fact, the main complaint from college graduates in their twenties is that they have crappy jobs. This is where the great divide opens between those two main camps debating the issue. Old people roll their eyes, because having a crappy job is a rite of passage. Young people see it as a broken promise.
If you are in that third camp, you can see how both sides are right. On the one hand, young people should stop moaning about crappy jobs and being poor, because that is what every generation faced. In fact, prior generations had it far worse. On the other hand, this was not the deal promised to young people who went into debt to get a college diploma. They were told that this investment would let them bypass the struggle portion of their life and get right into the middle-class.
Here you see the root cause of the complaint from young people. The breakdown of order has eroded the social contract. In fact, the social contract is now a terms of service agreement. They were told to click “accept” in high school, but once they exited college, they were told the terms of service have changed. Just in case they objected, they were also told that the privacy policy had changed as well. “Please click accept” quickly became “accept or else.”
There is more to this broken social contract than economics. The conditioning of young people comes with the assumption that if they follow the rules and tick the correct boxes, they will find meaning and purpose in life. Instead, what they find is life in a cubicle, paying off school debts while living at home. Half of college graduates live at home, which is not as high as you might think, but they continue to live at home long after they have left college. That is a novelty.
In effect, young people were sold a program that said if they went to college, took on the debt and followed the rules, they would come out the other end with the sort of fulfilling life they saw in the media. Instead, they are faced with what feels like a pointless existence as an economic unit. That philosophy major at the coffee shop is not just a punch line. She is a bitter victim. Telling her that she now must find her own meaning in this struggle sounds like another lie to her.
That said, the youth of the past did not like working in high school and would have preferred to hang out with friends playing video games. College grads of the past would have preferred to get a job in their field at the same wage as an experienced man, rather than working retail until they could get their foot in the door. The struggle for today’s youth is relatively easy, even if it is the result of a broken promise. In fact, young people probably have it too easy in many respects.
This generational conflict is, in the end, a proxy for the larger conflict which revolves around the failure of the ruling class over the last thirty years. Instead of upholding the rules, especially the rules of the social contract, they turned the country into a smash and grab where everyone is on their own. As a result, the powerful, for example colleges, exploit the weak, their students. It should be no surprise that the victims of such a system are not its biggest fans.
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Same age as Z and a father so I’ve seen it from both perspectives. Sure I had some crap jobs back in the day. Then I got my act together and my career on track. About 15 years ago, noticed it the diversity bunch getting the promotions instead of me or people who look like me. My son has seen that crap his whole life. He and his friends aren’t bitter about having to work hard. They are bitter because they know the whole system is rigged against them – while they are expected to keep that system going for… Read more »
Today I see that Walmart is advertising 3,000 H1-B jobs, average wage 139,000….How is it possible that Americans can’t fill those jobs? Many Ivy League grads would apply, as well as recent Business school grads…
The notion that dot Indians are well equipped for such jobs ignores the fact that India is perhaps the most corrupt society on the planet, and everything is accomplished by bribery….
Not even Ivy League or business school grads. Walmart, like so many American companies, was built on finding people with potential who were initially hired at the lowest level, training them, and moving them up the corporate ladder. The idea that they need to bring in thousands of Indians is insane considering in prior generations, the people manning those jobs were former cashiers and janitors.
Walmart, many years ago, seemed to be given some kind of ‘business success plan’ that included ‘make sure everyone who works there is a moraless zombie who will go along with any abuses we deem to dish out on them”. Take any abuse.
Because h1bs will be there for the next 10 years,
Don’t forget, companies have diversity quotas to fill to meet their ESG requirements. My company for example set a goal to be 62% diverse by 2024. Think about that for a second…. This metric is literally a full on admission that it’s anti white. How can you be 62% “diverse”? What does that mean? It means that if the company was 62% black males that the quota would be met. I can’t wait to get out of corporate America. I’m trying to hold on until I can retire. It will be a miracle of if I can make it. There’s… Read more »
Every person who still has 15-20 years to go in corporate America or even small company America has it the same. In fact, age discrimination has long been a fact of corporate life. That has long screwed the people who wanted to be excellent at their role but not deal with the headaches, and frankly folly, of being in middle management. Corporate America and most companies because of private equity, broke that promise long ago. Go into any corporate store now in any urban or near urban area. FedEx. UPS. Apple. Kinkos. … … The staff is almost entirely black.… Read more »
Boomers better start leaving an inheritance, no matter how small. They better start giving money however and how much they can to their offspring now up to the legal limit of tax free. No more of this whoreshit of dying broke and spending everything. A real man was dupont who has 3500 descendants sharing somewhere around 14 billion dollars. Not everyone can do that but anything is better than the consumerism pursued now. Until that becomes the prevailing ethos of boomers, no deal.
@Jkloi, your terms are acceptable. Or should I say, Mr. Zelenskyy.
My kids have nothing to fear re: inheritance unless government manages to steal it all by then. And they are getting plenty in the meantime. Not only did they graduate without having to get a job, they graduated debt-free.
But they are much better behaved than you. Better work on that attitude. I don’t care what your skills, you are not worth having around. I wouldn’t hire you. You are poison.
Amen.
There are two sides of the entitlement issue, and BOTH are guilty. Boomers who joke about spending their kids’ inheritance and dying broke are selfishly breaking with thousands of years of tradition and Biblical wisdom (“A good man leaves an inheritance for his children’s children . . .”). The children/grandchildren with their hands out are DEMANDING money for an often unrealistic lifestyle and offering nothing but derision instead of honor to their parents.
I would not take that Boomer cliche at face value. There is no way Boomers will spend their wealth and rob their children as the cliche goes. In any event, one gift Boomers can give—and I give—their children is to to live separately and independently such that their children can concentrate upon their own futures rather than take care of their parents.
“Boomers better start leaving an inheritance, no matter how small. “
It’s not going to happen. I resigned myself to seeing that house burn completely to the ground ages ago. Too many Boomers at still a reckless 16 at heart. They are the epitome of “There’s no fool like an old fool.”
Better yet, they’ll be littering up every comment section on the web with self-absorbed whining about being dumped in the diverse nursing home they built for themselves after the cruise money runs out.
“ littering up every comment section on the web with self-absorbed whining ” The Boomerification of the Interwebs is worth noting after they reached retirement age.
However, that’s not what the economists show.
What do the economists show?
I keep on hearing this. It has been estimated repeatedly that the Boomer generation has between $42T and $62T in wealth to leave to their heirs. Is that enough for you? In any event, such an inheritance will not solve the problem. The problem is that not all millennials are at the same level of competence as their Boomer parents. Some will obviously exceed, many will not.
“It has been estimated repeatedly that the Boomer generation has between $42T and $62T in wealth to leave to their heirs. “ The Boomers will, by accident, leave some scraps behind. Having that money doesn’t mean it will be there for their heirs when they die. When surveyed, they are adamant as a collective that they will be spending money on themselves. Unlike their parents, they do not see it as duty to help or leave anything behind. The issue is not even that they have the lion’s share of the wealth and have no plans to help any other generation.… Read more »
That remains to be seen, and I predict won’t be seen. The economists studying this phenomenon focus on the wealth transfer to heirs, not a frivolous spending of such. Even if such is more the case than not, what happens to the money? Do the Boomers take it out to the back yard and burn it? No. They spend it and those who provide services get receive it. Hence job creation and wealth transfer in the present—precisely for those Millennials and Zoomers you claim are being deprived.
Tired Citizen: “ I’m trying to hold on until I can retire. It will be a miracle of if I can make it.”Reality Rules: In fact, age discrimination has long been a fact of corporate life. I saw the writing on the wall. When I was 54, the company offered buyouts to people over 55. Pretty darn clear message that they didn’t value older employees. I was 54, but going to be 55 in about four months, so I contacted them and asked if they’d give me the 55 buyout. They said yes, and I was done. Now, I’m still below… Read more »
H1B Indians meet ESG criteria…win-win!
Seems like a plan to make white males say they love anal sex and trannys in order to keep their job if you are a white male.
Saying you love and are an ally of women or black Americans surely doesn’t cut it anymore. They need you to go further. And quietly accept medical experimentation on the populace to boot.
Their asks to keep your job are no joke. They want your soul.
BFYTW
They hate Whites, and they want us dead.
Its much easier to eliminate a whole bunch of people if you “unperson” them.
If whitey doesn’t develop his own societies,(which will be hard), he’s gone anyway.
They don’t want you dead physically, so much, though they don’t mind that, but they’d much rather have you be dead in your soul and any evolution and cooperation that happened to make you white, dead. They call it whiteness right? lol They have a fucking name for it. To them it’s nothing personal. It’s evolution and what made you white that is the culprit. How generous of them, isn’t it? Seems to boil all down to the ‘out of Africa’ thing, our ancestors left, we said we’d fight the brutal cold and probably certain death to not have to… Read more »
Then they make them dance for their foreign bosses in some kind of team humiliation ritual. It needs to end, and now!
Exactly. The debate isn’t about being humble and working your way up vs lazy youngins. It’s that young whites are told to go to school, work hard and you’ll have a chance for a middle-class life, but when they do that, their employer either hires/promotes the less-qualified black lady or the H1B Indian or immigrant of another flavor.
Both sides of the economic/cultural debate are missing the point.
“It’s that young whites are told to go to school, work hard and you’ll have a chance for a middle-class life…”
So round those people up and toss them onto an ice floe. Not an abstract group, those exact people. If you are Christian, you might want to visit that upon the children to the 3rd and 4th generation to make sure you purge the stupid.
lol right, who overcomes the ice floe and lives? hmm.
Dunno, but at least we will have thinned out most of the ones who lied to youth, who had been conditioned to be deferential to authority figures. ‘Course, believing authority figures is nothing new…
Both sides of the economic/cultural debate are missing the point.
Amen on that Brother and I wonder if it’s deliberate or they just can’t see past their noses ..
And if you do make it, they will import foreigners to initimidate and rape your children in the town square and’ we will get them if we cant get you’. I mean wtf? Devolution is their game.
But we tolerate it to the point of extinction.
Btw, Lineman is right. High-skilled “blue-collar” (that term is so outdated) jobs are generally immune from both DIE and immigrants. When you have a high-skill job that needs to be done on time and done right, you get the right guy for the job and would never risk some idiot DIE hire or corrupt Indian.
I don’t know how you can say this anymore about any job. They used to say it about college jobs, and especially in tech, we learned that companies will tolerate an insane amount of incompetence and corruption from the subcontinent if it means not paying Americans. Heck, the first job I think of when I think of “high skilled blue collar job that needs to be done right” I think of somehting like an airplane mechanic, but Boeing and the airlines are all in on DEI, even while the planes are crashing into each other on the runway and the… Read more »
Mycale: I think you and Citizen are both correct. My husband and I no longer fly for multiple reasons, but DIE (for airline mechanics, pilots, and air traffic controllers) is a big part of it. Trump will not change any of that. And my husband recently dealt with the expected incompetence and credentialism while on a business trip (dealing with hotels, banks, etc.). Where we now live, the bank tellers and county and state employees and utility providers are all White, all capable, and all courteous. The difference is night and day. But it won’t last another generation between immigration,… Read more »
What you say is absolutely true at the corporate level. However, I believe Citizen is correct about the sub-corporate, local and regional levels. These smaller fry are not part of the Power Structure and are, for the most part, not infected by the anti-white lunacy that typefies AINO’s elites.
“we learned that companies will tolerate an insane amount of incompetence and corruption from the subcontinent if it means not paying Americans.”
That’s a little too cynical, even for me. They tolerate incompetence because they know the generally conscientious Whites will pick up the slack and fix the mistakes.
I think it’s risk tolerance. When was the last time anyone said, “Take this job and shove it”?
you are wrong , Myscale is correct. they hate us and will put up with anything rather than employ us
That’s just silly. I don’t hate me. I don’t hate Whites qua Whites. I have trouble getting wound up to hate at all, other than Evil.
Are there Evil people? Hell, yes! Get away from them. Yesterday. If you can’t find an employer who is not Evil, what’s stopping you from becoming one?
… and they are STILL having wheels fall off. I think the only realistic course correction is corporate dissolution. Boeing can’t be fixed. It has to be replaced.
Hold corporate execs and board members criminally liable for the crimes of their corporations. Make discriminating against white males one of those crimes.
No country club prisons. They go right where Mammy Justsis puts us when we displease her highness.
Problem solved, and fast.
Boeing has gone all-in on hiring from the subcontinent, something I’ve heard from friends in the aviation industry (I work for another defense contractor). The problem is India is filled with diploma mills. Our engineering schools have accreditation and most graduates, barring the DEI types, can cut the mustard. The ones over there do not. Since dishonesty is a fundamental part of their culture, they don’t care if they don’t know how to do the job. The consequences of their shitty non-work, which often has be redone by outside contractors at ruinous expense, don’t even phase those amoral, arrogant, parasitic… Read more »
I can still say it about mine because we still require an apprenticeship that isn’t easy and takes effort to make journeyman…
Absolutely right!
Anything that requires an apprenticeship usually keeps the DIE crap at bay because they just can’t lie about their credentials to get the job they actually have to work at it which most of them don’t even try and the ones that do get washed out quickly…
IE, you sure as hell don’t want anything n****r rigged…
Right. When “Joe Biden’ decided to mandate the covid shot he wanted to go all the way, and people were like um…not gonna work with those under 100 employees Americans. lol
Step one is to work hard and to work smart. Step two is to get rid of this inter-generational stereotyping and rivalry garbage. It is one more brother war Whites do not need. Gen Xers who played by the rules are in big trouble as much as the younger generation. They are already a smaller age cohort and becoming managed by millenials, many of whom perpetuated Gamergate, and the smashing nihilism of the aughts and ’10s. They wanted to get ahead immediately. How? Bash the white man. And they did it. The point is, we, White people, Americans, don’t need… Read more »
This idea I see the past few weeks, that Woke and Feminism are on the way out, because Trump, is ludicrous.
These people run EVERY institution, including the churches. They’re not going anywhere except by ejection.
Lots of people have lots of fantasies and your facts will not disabuse them. No, Trump cannot and will not ‘fix’ AINO and your children and grandchildren will not live in a White country short of drastic and violent action. But people thrive on hopium and label realism depressing ‘black pilling.’ Whatever; I calls them like I sees them.
Great point about the inter-generational rivalry. I was thinking about this situation and the H1b situation on twitter and how much more engaged I was with the H1b discourse. This is just more infighting, meant to further divide us among generational lines. It’s counterproductive other than revealing those who have no interest in helping young White men succeed in this country. During the H1b floggings, everyone was on the same page, pulling in the same direction for the same cause. It took me 5 years after graduating college in 2009 to get a full time job in something tangentially related… Read more »
Damn Brother I had job before I graduated line school and my son had one within 3 months of graduation…
Come on Reality you know as well as I do that the courts are stacked against us and for every win you see publicized there are a 1000 that failed… Using a system that is wholly owned by them to sue them is a fools game…
Yes, and any attempt to built a system of “white patrimony” in the midst of the current regime is going to be quickly regulated and litigated out of existence.
Same. The rational response is to detach from the system to the greatest extent possible. I do see some very remarkable young whites doing so by entering the trades and opening small businesses. They first did this by refusing to degrade and debase themselves with military service and that removal from the rot has spread to most other areas of the system.
Yup. Young men — especially young white men — are expected to strive and fight for a system that openly loathes them, gleefully discriminates against them, and then calls it all progress and justice and righteousness.
Ain’t gonna end well.
Maxda: “especially young white men”
ALWAYS capitalize, “White”.
Never capitalize jew nor kneegr0w nor gay nor lesbian nor streetshitter nor any other of our mortal enemies.
ONLY capitalize, “White”.
Never capitalize adjectives or common nouns.
Wrong, except in an English grammar books. However this is not English 101. This is reality. Every other race has their race adjective capitalized. If Blacks can do it, then so must Whites. And anyway, Whites as I’ve used it in a proper noun. It signifies a particular group, not a color.
Stop playing by their rules, play by your own. White are White, capital W. No one else gets the honorific of proper noun, they don’t deserve it.
I am playing by my rules, not their rules, not your rules.
Chesterton is a slice of awesome.
Not for nothing did his college buddies call him The Big Slice…
I love me some Chesteron books, but I think he might be the first to laugh over his waistline.
Wisdom of the ages.
For Chesterton fans, the source for this quote is here:
https://chesterton.wordpress.com/2011/05/04/the-stone-that-is-wearing-away-the-saw/
This topic feels like a doom spiral – on the one hand you have the broken promises that the older generations made to the young, and the betrayal as they chose foreigners and brown people over their own. On the other hand, young people are intensely self-absorbed and have a totally unrealistic vision of life, driven by social media’s focus on material excess. Of course, they didn’t invent social media, so I don’t even blame them for this. That said, I see so much whining on social media from the few zoomers who actually did manage to get good jobs… Read more »
Nice post.
Private concerns will crash and fail right along with the public sector given these trends, yes. This actually started a decade or so back with a few former Blue Chip corps, and this is on the horizon for GE and so forth. Some like Boeing have tried to pull back but it very likely is too late for them to do so.
I worried about this exact outcome when most of my age-group’s young professionals took their first job, then immediately contacted the headhunters. Yes, it resulted in double the salary in a few years, but at the cost that no company could trust that their hires were using them as anything other than stepping stones. Training is expensive, and you are not contributing very much those first few years. And once you start producing more than you cost, you jump ship. There was no longer any company loyalty, but it wasn’t the companies reneging on the deal.
The companies have been reneging on the deal since importing infinity Indians and pension plans went the way of the Do-do bird. They were firing long term hires when I was young for “cost savings”. Pension plans, from the POV of a corporation, were ways to depress wages and increase employee retention. Ditto to health care benefits to an extent. Then however those two issues merged and people actually were collecting their pension benefits for a fairly long time. So pensions were dropped because they were too expensive. For some reason however, corporations seem to expect that people will be… Read more »
You need to look at what really happened to the pension plans. They got taken over by union gangsters and political chicanery. The tail end was looting by the corporate raiders, enabled by those corrupt politicians.
If you won’t bother to read history, take an hour and a half to see “Other People’s Money”. It’s pretty close to the truth.
Oh, and health benefits and most of the pension mess was not from corporate green eye shades. They were responding to FDR’s rules preventing wages from rising because it would decrease military enlistments.
Like Casey Stengel put it, “You could look it up.” But I don’t expect you will.
“They were responding to FDR’s rules preventing wages from rising because it would decrease military enlistments.” I recall there being a draft, so that’s not the reason. FDR’s era was the US’s brush with communism/social engineering lite. FDR’s administration had implemented price controls before the war and was no stranger to them after the start of it. Pensions and health care benefits allowed corporations to keep wages depressed, which was my point.
His wife ran those administrations, which is why they veered so far Leftward. He was a weak man in a nation of weak men.
I agree with that statement. It also matches the Wilson administration. It turns out that Roosevelts may have had connection to Dutch Jewish families, but that is what that is.
“Pensions and health care benefits allowed corporations to keep wages depressed, which was my point.”
Nice fable, but not true. Companies wanted to keep their best and brightest rather than have them signing up to go get killed, and definitely did not want Messicans or Rosies taking those jobs, so came up with the idea of benefits as a way of skirting the wage controls.
Same exact thing caused stock options. It’s like history repeats itself or something.
They jumped ship because the companies stopped rewarding staying. Pensions are a thing of the past.
upvoted, came out as a downvote
A return to company training and apprenticeship is what is needed to bypass the college filter at scale, but there are so many headwinds against it.
Never has the need for people who know how to do things training their young in how to do things been greater; we have no chance of independence without it.
Agreed, and I know all about upvotes appearing as downvotes. Between the time you loaded the page and you clicked on the thumb, people whose feelings were hurt by someone saying something too close to the mark made their discomfort known.
Projection takes some real effort to avoid. “These people are brainwashed. I, on the other hand, truly believed my Guidance Counselor when she said a Sociology Degree would make me the CEO of Standard Oil.”
That sucking sound you hear is the doom spiral going down the downspout into the infernal maelstrom.
I feel like I’m part of the first generation that can reasonably argue that today’s kids have it worse than we did when we were their age. My teen years were in the 1990s. Sure, maybe the economic situation is slightly cushier at present, yet the culture has degenerated into absolute dreck and immiseration. There was a noticeable amount of anti-White propaganda when I was a youth, but not nearly to the degree and level of ferocity that it has reached in the last decade or so. Education/academia and media have basically done everything in their power to alienate young… Read more »
Good article. In the medium to long term white kids are doomed. They no longer have a country. I tire of arguing this with some people of my (boomer) generation.
Yep, not only have the rulers turned the country into a smash and grab, it’s now a swarthy, “diverse” one. When we were growing up, the country was ~ 90% White and the future seemed bright. Today, it’s maybe 2/3 of that and it looks pretty damned dark over on the horizon…
Off topic: I was recently thrust into a social setting with some fellow boomers. One jackass started talking Trump and politics. Listening to these people discuss politics and current events is like listening to a child discuss the Easter Bunny. Their worldview is based on mainstream media (I include Fox) agitprop. Hopeless.
Absolutely. It’s hard to believe they actually believe the s*** they’re spewing. Are they watching those disgusting harpies on “the view” or what. Talk about zero critical thinking skills.
The brainwashing works.
That and a comfortable lifestyle.
I once heard it put by Woe of Stone Choir on twitter that arguing with the average boomer is like yelling instructions to the coach on TV while watching sports. It doesn’t matter what you say and they’re not listening. A lot of what passes for “discourse” among that cohort is repeating platitudes and talking points they got from whichever cable news talk show they watch and smugly waiting for everybody else to nod and smile. Of course political discourse in the younger generations is largely memetic, but at least the memes originate from the bottom rather than getting handed… Read more »
“ A lot of what passes for “discourse” among that cohort is repeating platitudes and talking points they got from whichever cable news talk show they watch and smugly waiting for everybody else to nod and smile. “ The Boomers do value unity as a generation. They largely get it within their generation. Thus the political discourse is a disagreement largely over implementation and scope of goals they all agree on. They have had political influence since the mid 1980’s and cultural since the late 1960’s. They literally don’t know anything else besides what feels like universal agreement/”unity” and rooting for their… Read more »
Sounds like you ran into the people who comment on stories at MSN and NYT!
It is jaw-dropping. Listen to conservatards on talk radio these days. The best-case scenario for them is that they are blatant liars. If they are not, the degree of delusion will prove fatal, which actually is happening. Boomercon fantasy actually makes me angrier than leftwing anti-white hatred.
Whites and North Asians are going to have to create their own society and businesses…Koreans already do this to some extent, and with success…Because the Indians who take over HR are never going to hire either one of them…
Why do this? Why group Whites with north Asians? WHY? We and they are not the same people. We don’t share genetics (unless you are one of the guys with yellow fever and hapa kids) or culture. I wish the Koreans in Korea well but they are not my people. My sole concern is White people and a future for White children.
Modern Europeans, especially English descent, are forever looking around for friends for some reason. I suspect it’s because the English don’t parent all that well as a group, at least the modern ones.
The English talk favorably about some non-whites because they “parent badly as a group”!
Literally nonsense.
Not sure if you are retarded or just using English as a second language.
I am an American with an off the boat English grandfather. I have seen the English family sausage being made. The English are not outstanding parents, at least in the 20th century in North America. By personal observation, their children are somewhat spoiled, angry, and resentful. It’s not surprise that if they had money they might try to “adopt” even if unconsciously more pleasant and attentive ones.
Our kids are not lazy. They aren’t stupid. They’re KIDS. They’re supposed to be assholes, foolish, and unfocused. It is our JOBS as parents to deal with that. Not only our own, but everyone else’s kids too. It’s called COMMUNITY. We can’t even hold our families together and most of our women NEVER grew up. Our schools are run by lunatics, perverts and turd brained vibrants. Mike Judge, the creator of Beavis and Butthead – took a lot of heat for sending the wrong message to kids with the cartoon which featured two retarded antisocial kids trying to deal with… Read more »
Yes, we need to be honest about the state of the young workforce. People who have no experience managing lower class workers have very little understanding of how difficult it is to keep them functional. I have a friend who previously worked as a fast food regional manager. I asked him how difficult it was to keep the restaurants staffed. He said unemployment is 4% and 5% of people are on drugs. Their goal was 100% turnover annually. This was before widespread legal pot, which makes this problem even worse.
I wish I could upvote your post more. Yes, absolutely kids are kids. They are going to want to take the easy way out. Everyone needs to be patient with that. We are failing them. “We can’t even hold our families together and most of our women NEVER grew up. “ We can’t hold our families together because what women do is now something that doesn’t matter. Childbearing, all of it, including dealing with small children 24/7 is how women grow up. Now they are supposed be off taking all the jobs that men need to support their families, so they… Read more »
Well that brings up another crippling social problem… taking the easy way out is what gave us the education scam. The kids have a grump father at home telling them to put in the time, do the work, and take a meaningful program when they graduate. On the other hand they have ‘school recruiters’ telling them they can party their way to a degree in kitten studies and then look forward to a six figure income. I had that fight in my family and lost it. I’ve since come to the conclusion that young women should not go to university… Read more »
Almost no one should go to college unless it’s for a practical course of study. The exceptions are the trust fund babies where it makes absolutely no difference — granddad’s finance guys will handle everything, and you can go flash your beaver getting out of a sports car, like Paris Hilton.
Intellectual pursuits be damned, autistic boomer needs to increase widget production by 13%!
Sigh. No. If you can’t support yourself, or find a wealthy patron to support you, it’s just not a good idea to get that Underwater Basketweaving degree.
In the past, liberal arts degrees were for the idle rich, those seeking a government or government-adjacent sinecure, and grifters. Pretty much still the case.
Here we go again, college vow non-college—when the question is basically, “Are you fit for college?”. Any number of articles recently published now estimate that the typical college student has an IQ of approximately 102! That’s simply average. Is that what college is for, or was that what HS was for Boomers? Now if you are of average intellect, why do you expect employers to treat you like a rare and profitable commodity—especially when you’ve majored in a weak or faux discipline. Majors in grievance studies or basket weaving have no useful job skills, hence no market value. Unfortunately we’ve… Read more »
I pray that more young people – especially White men – will come to know God these days, because they’re not going to find purpose anywhere else. Marriage, childrearing and homeownership are out of reach but for a select few.
Seconded. Absolutely correct. The past half-century, the nation has not merely turned away from white men, but turned ON them. With shouts of conquest and glee! Boys and young white men should use the rejection and disenfranchisement by the culture as an opportunity to connect with Father. Turn away from this evil nation and back to a Source who will NOT betray you and stab you in the back. My generation of men still hewed to the Romantic Tradition, and put their faith in women. Listen to popular music of the Fifties and Sixties if you imagine otherwise. And those… Read more »
” Listen to popular music of the Fifties and Sixties if you imagine otherwise”
There was a lot of creepy music in the 1950’s and 1960’s. “Hey Baby, It’s Cold Outside” is from that era. CS Lewis observes of the generations near to him that they seemed to be sex starved. Any romantic tradition from then was busy covering over many issues of sexual immorality.
Baby, It’s Cold Outside was written in 1944
And it’s not exactly creepy. Unless maybe you are thoroughly “modern”…
ray: The past half-century, the nation has not merely turned away from white men, but turned ON them.
That’s because the j00z fear moral & sane & sober White Men more than all other hominids on this earth put together.
Moral & sane & sober White men put the fear of God into the empty soulless vacuum which is the j00.
EM Jones has a whole book about the idea that lack of sexual mores makes slaves of the population. I absolutely agree with that. Part of our inability to deal with the Alphabet people involves having more than one generation of men that has been very undisciplined in that department.
Merely for perspective, I’ve hired a number of people with their master’s degrees in the past near 10 years. It’s remarkable how little they know in their fields. Often it’s been almost nothing. They also demand raises and salaries that are so out of whack with reality… and when they get a healthy raise on a healthy salary, they demand more immediately. They struggle to understand how a non-mega-corp might not be rolling in millions. You also literally have to reprogram them from the ground up, even to think critically. We’re talking about folks in their 30s too not their… Read more »
Great comment.
I’d only add there is a vestigal percentage of folks of all ages that still spend their days at work, “walking for dollars.”
Edit: The trouble with most Masters and many Bachelors programs is that they are far too theoretical in nature.
That means those grads will only tend to be effective in academic research roles.
There isn’t much place for them in industry because serious corporate research is extremely rare these days.
The Masters degree creates a whole another level of elevated expectations, especially if they haven’t done any meaningful work yet. These programs exist to generate revenue for the schools not produce a needed workforce well trained to perform vital functions. The government needs to step in and end most of them.
“The government needs to step in and end most of them.”
The government doesn’t need to do anything. Stop subsudizing student loans and higher ed. Let loans be discharged via bankruptcy. This isn’t rocket science, i don’t worship the market, but if you let it work it generally does what needs to be done.
“Those over the age of fifty love telling stories about the terrible jobs they had as young people, while no one under the age of thirty complains about not having had crappy jobs to make ends meet. In fact, the main complaint from college graduates in their twenties is that they have crappy jobs.” Those crud jobs that prior generations had available after getting their high school diploma now frequently require a 4-year degree, and those college graduates taking those no-hope dead-end jobs often have the weight of student debt of $100,000 (or more) weighing them down. Furthermore employment is… Read more »
Just with regards to economics, the big miss for millennials and zoomers is the gap between their pay and productivity and the relative cost of housing. That includes rents. When I left high school, the rule was your mortgage or rent should equal one week take home pay. The typical mortgage payment now is two weeks gross. Rents in and around major cities are similar. The rent side is driven my immigration and the precipitation of entry level home buyers, who are priced out of the market. That last bit is getting worse as baby boomers downsize. They go into… Read more »
My freinds in the building industry say that we need millions of starter homes ($200,000-$400,000 depending on location) but the land costs are too high to build homes in that price range. So they are building town homes. A lot of baby boomers are not downsizing as its cheaper to stay in their homes than move. So folks looking to move up can’t. This also crimps starter home supplies and increases prices. Immigration also increases demand and prices.
“you will own nothing and like it”
How many of those starter homes would actually be for the shrinking number of Whites? Most people here still seem stuck on the fantasy that AINO is still 60-70% European White, when the reality is barely 50%. And east and south Asians often live in multigenerational homes – often the same size White would consider comfortable for one nuclear family. And they combine financial resources to buy them. Whites have no chance these days.
Mexis bought the 3/2 next door and they have 7 cars.
“When I left high school, the rule was your mortgage or rent should equal one week take home pay. The typical mortgage payment now is two weeks gross.”
When I bought my first home, the rule was rent up to 40% of take home, because it was something you could leave on short notice, but a hard cap of 28% for a mortgage. That was Minneapolis.
Where you lived must have had a lower cost of living. Unless you wanted to live in a boarding house, there were no rentals available for 1 week’s take home.
The most dismaying aspect of this latest dust-up has been watching X’ers and, even more remarkably, Millennials, who have gone from correctly blasting Boomers over their detachment from reality to kicking the shit out of Zoomers over legitimate economic complaints. The hypocrisy and mindlessness are jarring. Teenage jobs of yore did suck but they at least prepared young people for the workplace in seemingly insignificant but actually vital ways such as punctuality. Those jobs to the extent they even exist any longer largely go to Jose and Raj; Shanika never did them in the first place. Where the real cruelty… Read more »
For better or worse, boomers are leaving the picture. At some point, kicking them around isn’t helpful. The youngest boomers are 60, and according to a search the workforce is only around 15% boomer at this point. Millennials and zoomers are going to be locked in the room that is our society and have to figure out a path forward. I was worried about the disappearance of teenage jobs at least a decade ago. My job as a teenager mostly sucked but ultimately it was a good thing for me and most people I talk to feel the same way.… Read more »
but I also think the Christmas massacre of Vivek followed by the Panda Express debacle actually is the beginning of that discussion. From your lips to God’s ears. Given how policymakers often are detached from reality it was a positive thing to see this inanity shoved down the Tech Bros’ throats. As someone else pointed out on this thread, watching the political fossils try to destroy much younger nominees in the Senate confirmation hearings and still come off as the retarded and corrupt buffoons they are also is satisfying. To be clear, I wasn’t Boomer-bashing–to the degree it matters, I… Read more »
GenX here and I find the zoomers to be either incredibly based or completely fragile. There is no in between. I spend my time on the based ones and try and help/train/advise where I can.
“The youngest boomers are 60, and according to a search the workforce is only around 15% boomer at this point. ” Do we think that the WWII generation was occupying 15% of the workforce at that advanced age? One of the goals of social security was to make room for younger workers. All the decision makers are still Boomers with a few scattered Gen Xers here and there. People are correct to kick the boomers, because the boomers have not let go. They have not invested in the future. We are all trapped in the Boomer room and there’s no escape.… Read more »
No, 15% of the workforce was definitely not WWII generation when they were in their 60s and 70s. But the WWII generation labor force was also not doing the work that boomers are doing now. When you are doing hard physical labor, it just becomes impossible at a certain age. If you are a manager working in a downtown skyscraper, you can do that well into your 70s and do it well. I don’t necessarily blame a 75 year old accountant or finance guy because he wants to keep working and his company wants him to keep working. Retirement is… Read more »
“you can do that well into your 70s and do it well. I don’t necessarily blame a 75 year old accountant or finance guy because he wants to keep working and his company wants him to keep working. […] I think it’s reasonable to criticize the boomers for the world they have left us, but as of now I think GenX/Millennials/Zoomers need to look past that.” I gave you the upvote, but my point is exactly we can’t move on for the reasons given. That 15% is largely in the decision making area. The C-suite’s median age has risen with the Boomers.… Read more »
I totally agree with your assessment of the COVID thing, it was boomers. That said, I have not kept up with aggregate trends in the boardrooms and C-suites, although in my first hand observation I have seen younger people take the reigns and older people move on. Apparently the average age of Fortune 500 CEOs at this point is late 50s, which is juuuuust on the border between gen X and boomer. I guess my point on this was that a 75 year old guy working as a part time accountant is a logical choice, he’s not doing it out… Read more »
There are a lot of super-annuated CPAs and Financial Advisors out there. My dad had one, and we paid dearly for him retaining his Biden clone.
But it’s easy to deal with. All you have to do is be a better CPA than a dementia patient. Be a better middle-manager than the guy who falls asleep in meetings.
Outside of STEM, young white men should avoid all college with extreme prejudice. There is nothing there for them except constant shaming and disenfranchisement by coddled white girls and the Of Colored activists. And there are no jobs waiting for them after college.
Enter the trades, arrange internet income, or simply hide from the malevolent ruling class and culture. The latter is what millions of them already are doing.
We do need embeds in the professions but I generally agree otherwise.
Pet peeve post, please ignore: “STEM” is current_year’s ugliest invention. Nerds dishonestly including math in the soulless drone training program they actually advocate—and qualify for—is grotesque. Mathematics is great philosophy. Mathematicians are absolute psychos. They can’t do a job! They’re academic charity cases, maintained like the hunchback in the bell tower, as long-term investments in probably nothing—but maybe you get a Dirac or Planck to change the world (and list among your alumni). Their job is being crazy, like method actors and rock stars. Mere scientists and engineers/”engineers” claiming mathematics as their own is stolen valor. They use math like… Read more »
It is not an unrealistic expectation for a native born young person to not have to compete with an infinite number of indentured foreigners for entry level jobs, in any field.
Youth will be served. I watched a bit of the Senate confirmation hearings. Trump’s mostly GenX nominees were far more intelligent, wise, and personable than the wrinkled, repugnant, moronic fossils with their stupid questions.
GenX is taking the helm. I’m a little encouraged today.
I’d bet many of those Xers clearly remember being latchkey kids that wound up being responsible for one or more younger siblings.
Encouraged, but there are not enough GenX and they are sandwiched between the Boomers and their offspring (who VOTE).
The fossils seem absolutely clueless as to the degree to which they are beclowing themselves and that is particularly delicious.
Times were simpler when less than 5% went to college…You worked on your parents’ farm, joined the military, or went to the big city to seek your fortune..and everyone knew there were no guarantees, because life was an adventure…
According to an internet search about 20M people are enrolled in college right now. So that means that ~5M people on an annual basis are graduating and looking for work. Does the system have five million jobs for them? Of course not, especially when you factor in that the regime wants foreign helots doing the work, not Americans. Yet every year, five million more enroll…
No. Graduation rates vary, but a quick search says the nationwide rate is 62%. I’m sure that is inflated as the education cartel has been fudging their numbers for decades. That is another huge problem in this discussion, the millions who took on debt and never got the degree that was supposed to be the golden ticket to the middle class. The only way I could see to correct this would be to force colleges to cover the student loan costs of drop outs, but even that would just lead to comic levels of grade inflation beyond what happens already.… Read more »
Companies need to be allowed to go back to interviewing practices that actually test for competence, something they were forced to abandon after it was claimed to be discrimination with “disparate impact”. In response, they began to demand degrees as a token of competence which they could lean on to explain their hiring decisions. To which the Left countered by demanding that all their favorite victims should have access to those credentials too. The colleges loved that idea, because increased enrollment meant more gravy for their train. It’s no coincidence that educators are a major Democrat constituency or that the… Read more »
If you make colleges responsible for their empty promises to enrollees, then they will raise their standards to admit fewer, but better students. No matter how you cut it, there are at least twice the number of students in college than there should be (with TV’s and 70’s type standards).
This is why corporation now require a college degree for jobs that never required such—and still don’t. Degree holder are a dime a dozen.
True. But those white kids didn’t have to worry about their path to success being thwarted by companies passing them over for some DIE black lady or a cheap foreigner.
That’s what this debate is about, not how kids these days are lazy and entitled.
“for a world that should not exist.”
A very poetic way of putting this feminist multiculturalism gay tyranny. For those who remember the before times it is staggering thay america is now GAE.
You know how I figure there was no social contract? When I was never taught a damn thing in school and all the girls hooked up with the 15% of cool guys. Every man for himself.
There are a couple problems. When the boomers fondly recall their time as fry-cooks putting themselves through college and making rent, they’re conceding the point. They were able to put themselves through college AND make rent flipping burgers. Real estate and education are two of the biggest inflationary commodities these days, and nobody’s making enough slinging fries to even get close to covering rent without several roommates, much less education. I worked several jobs during college and during the summer. The money I made defrayed a lot of the expenses from my state-school education, but they couldn’t come close to… Read more »
Slinging fries paid maybe $6. The reason we could afford it was room, board, books and tuition was $1500 a semester or a bit more, so long as you lived with several roommates. The most expensive textbook I had to buy was $60. That was in 1989.
Why did college costs skyrocket? Ultimately, because students and their parents would pay. And when gov jumped in with both feet to make it more affordable, just like everything else they do, you got the exact opposite.
People also demanded more niceties. Some of the campus buildings these days look like corporate meeting centers. Back when I was there, graffiti on the walls, Spartan buildings.
“The vast majority of the older generations have no practical advice to give, and the rest of us would prefer if they kept their mouths shut. The reason I have a wife, kids, and a house is because I actively ignored boomer advice and tried to adapt to the new reality.”
Exactly. Most of my best moves were ignoring Boomer advice, even 20 years ago. It’s unfortunate, and not how it’s supposed to work. But there it is.
All sides have a point. Young people today definitely have way too high of expectations across all fronts. And their pussies that complain about the unfairness of life and petty setbacks. Overall, I’d say that they been very poorly served by the education system which has primarily instilled a sense of entitlement and idealistic expectations. On the other hand, opportunity in the US is much more constrained than it was generations ago. Youth today are wealthier in the base materialistic sense, but poorer in the ability to go out on their own and build success in unpredictable ways. As an… Read more »
Yes. A good share of the problem I’m seeing with regards to employability is the same as why even the ones who supposedly are seeking wife material come up dry — that stupid little screen is the only way they can communicate.
I’ve taken a chance on people with marketing degrees only to find out they have no people skills. When I want someone who can talk to people, I’m not finding much outside someone in his mid to upper 40s to early 60s, and we all know what that means re: health insurance.
Superb summation of the society: a smash and grab. A couple of other aspects of the modern society need to be noted: young white men are the least prepared to deal with the modern society and are the most lied to. A young white man is told he has privilege and if he works hard he can have the American dream including a house, girl and and the necessary good job. Reality is there might as well be “White men need not apply”signs especially when it comes to management. Consequently the good job, girl and house are increasingly out of… Read more »
Yup. Exactly.
My boys, 28 and 30 are doing fine economically, the problem is a finding a girl that isn’t screwed up some way or the other, thus no need for a house.
That’s kind of circular, though. Any girl who wants to be a tradwife needs some indication that a potential mate is capable of owning a home. Flashy cars and fancy clothes don’t do it — that only grabs the gold diggers. Tradwives see him as a probable spendthrift.
Unless he is handing out audited financial statements when they strike up a conversation, there is absolutely no way for her to know what she’s getting into.
We owe it to boys to prepare them for this reality at the very least rather than give them pep talks and pretend reality is right wing disinformation pushed by Putin.
Which is why I advocate for the trades especially mine because I know it’s one way to have the house, the wife, the family at this stage of the game…
It was amusing to watch Rufo go full Ramaswamy on the “Panda Express”. At this point, the anger of young white men is the only thing that will save us, but not all of us.
Great post, Z.
A couple years ago, I placed a call to the local papa John’s number and spoke with an incoherent Indian woman. I asked her if she was at the restaurant and she said something about a call service. I heard a rooster crow and asked her if she was in America and told her we were no longer interested in ordering anything.
The kid who answered the phone at Pizza Hut to take our order attends the local high school.
Infuriating.
I’ve had a AAA membership for more than 30 years, but I am *seriously* thinking of dropping it now b/c during the summer when a niece and I were driving somewhere together, we had to call AAA, and what do you think has happened to the nice American women in Tennessee who used to answer the phones?
“American” in the name of anything means it’s not for White people. USAA being case in point, or “People For the American Way.” There is no national group, company, or organization that gives a damn about Whites, so stop joining them and use your money to benefit yourself and your children. Drop out of anti-White ‘society.’
Scott Greer 6’2” IQ 187 on X: “Conservatives never tell young women to not go to college or to settle for menial labor. They’re encouraged to “follow their dreams” and to move to the big city after college. The downward mobility stuff is only for young men.” / X
Being a woman who raises children is lazy and low class. We literally call them “not working” Until Dads are willing to be proud of their marred daughters, rather than try to them respectable hard working sons, not much of the social aspect changes.
Could not agree more. The U.S. is full of conservative and Christian dads-of-daughters who just as energetically as the Progs prepared their girls for Hard Charging Empowered Careers and decidedly NOT for motherhood. MUH Princess ain’t ever gonna need no man! It’ll be just her and me all our lives. Hmm yes well what a noble and patriotic sentiment. Folks on this forum magically want the Old America back again. They want a White Nation. Well the first step to that is to STOP preparing your Entitled Ones for careers and START preparing them to be wives and mothers. Girls… Read more »
Good thought, but the causality arrow is reversed. There’s no point in training girls for motherhood if the best they are going to be able to do is a cubicle rat who can never afford a house.
Until we start raising boys to engage with the system as it exists, as in, learn a trade and start your own company and build it to a dozen trucks hiring man-children whose highest aspiration is to be an employee, or some other lucrative business, you will be damning your Princess to a life of poverty.
You are a feminist nation . . . not a Christian nation, not a masculine nation or a patriarchy. The gelded men that continue to empower females — daughters or otherwise — are the ones that must change. They are the hidden traitors of America.
Taking everything away from boys and young men, and then telling them, as you do, that they are man-children is stock feminist cant. We’ve already heard all that the past 50 years.
At least come up with a novel insult, and don’t just borrow from the pink-haired crowd.
Based Ray righteously put the Steves of this world to the sword.
You can’t make a society comprised solely of entrepreneurs, Steve. Good grief, you’re booming hard in this thread.
What we are doing now doesn’t seem to be working. So what’s the answer? Hand over the place to the pajeets and nogs? Seriously?
@3g4me is correct that we need to build a parallel system, then withdraw from the other. How precisely can you do that without a strong entrepreneurial attitude?
Big Boxes edged out many of the Mom & Pops. Which means the glory years had enough entrepreneurial types to HAVE Mom & Pops. You can’t get Main Street back without people willing to open stores on Main Street.
This is a non-sequitur. I replied to your absolutely parody-defying statement mocking people “whose highest aspiration is to be an employee.” You’ve got some serious Randian baggage, man. I had to do a double-take just to ensure I hadn’t accidentally landed on National Review’s website. The world needs competent employees, fairly paid, to build healthy families, which will raise healthy, upright and productive children. Our infrastructure crumbles in large part due to our management class’ wholesale embrace of the attitude you’ve expressed here. Employees should not be regarded as fungible cogs. If you want to fix things, start by retraining… Read more »
Good, Lord, man, listen to yourself!
How the hell do you get there? Do you think the pajeets are going to give you your White heaven? Do you think government is going to lower your taxes enough to buy a home and raise a family? They don’t give a damn about you and your dreams.
FFS, open your eyes and take a look around at the world as it exists.
Also, “we need more entrepreneurs to open Mom & Pops to out-compete the corporate consolidation that … killed off the Mom & Pops in the first place” is an unfathomably unserious proposal. As the saying goes, “when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” Well, the boomercon’s hammer is evidently a bottomless reserve of thoughtless and self-serving cliches. Blame the victim for not opening enough small businesses, yeah, that’ll work. We clearly need to do something about the corporate consolidation that saw Big Box stores kill the Mom & Pops, and which currently sees the Big… Read more »
In Steve’s defense, I think he is autistic, in addition to the fatal character flaw of being a b00mer.
“I doubt you will ever countenance: the dreaded government interference–anti-trust enforcement, tariffs, harsh fees/penalties for employing foreigners, among other things.”
OK, and in what fantasyland are you going to find a government which does that? Again, despite the fact that even CNN polls were going 70% in favor of closing the border, what was government’s reaction?
There is some amount of practicality behind that. Young women aren’t going to be denied employment because they are women.
That’s very similar to what I’ve been saying and I get chastised for it. It’s the road to serfdom.
You get chastised for calling Americans and America stupid, because Eastern European can’t get over itself. I never thought you were dumb.
Actually, I don’t hold up Eastern Europe to high standard except when it comes to family bonds, especially how kids are treated. As far as I’m concerned northern European countries, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, etc. are the world standard. That ethos is what made this country work.
Parents of girls the past 3 or 4 generations don’t want to be told that by making Career Princesses out of their daughters, they served the satanic Deep State just like the Progs did.
Nobody wants to be told they share responsibility for a disaster, and that their behavior was wrong and must change. Especially when it involves one’s sons and daughters.
I was 29 and had been through military, college, and numerous minimum-wage or no-wage (internship) gigs before I got my first offer at a decent job. The prospective employers could see I’d paid dues and was relentless in pursuit of secure employment. Perhaps today’s youth want good jobs presented to them? Like the Participation Ribbon they all get in gym? It only works that way for the female half of ‘today’s youth’, who are perennial favorites for employment in government and corporations. Females have to be total screw-ups not to get hired by one of those foul entities. Boys and… Read more »
I think one of the problems for American kids going to college is the false assumption that just having a college degree will guarantee them a secure career and bright future. But when they show up for an interview with a degree in gender studies, they wonder why no one is interested in hiring them. Of course one has to wonder who would even offer an interview to someone with that sort of degree in the first place. We can always blame a culture of smartphones, online gaming and whatever distraction you might point to for why these kids are… Read more »
To be fair, the concern isn’t over the kid with the gender studies or other liberal arts degree. Highly talented and skilled STEM grads are being passed over for H1B’s and vibrants with far less qualification. The deliberate anti-white and anti-male discrimination is a very real problem. The Bay area kid you described likely will live at home into her Thirties but that was utterly predictable. As for Germany, yes, I have family there and what you describe is spot on. While the decline has been ongoing for a while, the Ukraine madness really accelerated matters. Any European kid who… Read more »
“Gender studies” graduates—almost nobody has that title outside conservatives’ fantasies of their unemployment, but broadly speaking—have no trouble getting jobs. Teaching, government, and media are full of them. Every white-country corporation large enough for us to know its name has a layer of them. They’re half of the Women In Tech™ who replaced the founding nerds in management over the last thirty years—soon themselves to be replaced by Indians. They’re why a brown retard has your kid’s job at Tesla. I didn’t know about the Twitter eruption yesterday, but I accidentally summed it up: What the present system gives conservatives… Read more »
Academia, government, corporate Amerika and the NGOs are LOADED with raging princesses bearing Gender Studies degrees. They are everywhere, the arrogant and entitled Hall Monitors for every aspect of our existence.
‘It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.’ (1984, Part One, Chapter One)
Part of the problem of expectations are the endless lies on social media. The lifestyle influencer paints a very false picture of her existence on platforms like Instagram and TikTok. They think they should have such a life by 21.
OTOH, a lot of their complaints are very real and worthy of our attention. When I was a young guy, you could buy an old but running car for 500 Dollars. You could rent a small apartment for 5-700 a month in a reasonable neighborhood. Plus the dating market is all screwed up.
“you could buy an old but running car for 500 Dollars.”
That’s not even that long ago. In W’s first year, premium gasoline was under a buck. To be sure, the $500 cars were rust buckets, but if you knew a little about wrenching, fully usable. Warren Terra ended the cheap gas, Cash for Clunkers ended the cheap cars.
The largest gap for the younger generation appears to be reasonably priced starter housing that is physically co-incident with decent paying jobs. Yes, there is reasonably priced housing in lower cost of living areas. The trouble is that there are not large amounts of decent paying jobs in those areas because small and medium-sized manufacturing has been gutted in this country. Remote work is an option, but that appears to be on the decline for various reasons. Builders are shying away from constructing starter housing because it has a lower profit margin. That is a rational economic decision on their… Read more »
But why is the margin on starter homes lower? Code compliance is basically fixed cost. Might as well use higher grade materials and make them larger.
Don’t forget, we are seeing the effects of a Canadian softwood tariff. Which Trump is proposing raising. Tariffs are not the unalloyed boon portrayed.
You are correct about code compliance inflation. It’s not possible to buy a 1950’s starter house because it would no longer be code. Tariffs however, even if bungled, are a step out of open borders economics. I’m not against baby steps in the correct direction.
I don’t know how much of a house price is affected by softwood tariffs, between studs, joists, rafters, sheathing, subfloor, glulam, etc., but at a guess, you are easily paying several tens of thousands more for that house, and gave that money to the Bidet administration. Who used it to import more foreigners and give them those houses.
If that’s what you wanted, kwicherbichin.
“you are easily paying several tens of thousands more for that house, and gave that money to the Bidet administration”
We remodeled about 5/6 of our house about 7 years ago. We spent a lot of money bringing things up to code, including unnecessary insulation and possibly over doing framing. The wood required was not most of the cost. Would today’s lumber cost bring the remodel out of reach? Possibly. However, artificially low material costs can be seen as subsidizing unnecessary code updates.
Right. Several tens of thousands is still not the majority of a house price. But it is still several tens of thousands. And it still was used to bring in Haitians and other furriners to culturally enrich us.
If artificially inflating house prices would save America, I’d be all for it. Any dispassionate analysis says it does the opposite.
You keep the house as cheap as possible to allow for those with minimal incomes to obtain mortgages. If the house gets more expensive, the profit shrinks die to fewer sales despite the margin.
Sort of. If there were a sizable fraction of people with cash in hand for the downpayment, I have no doubt someone would cater to it. But the fact is the starter-home demographic simply does not have that kind of cash.
The difference in the basic materials and labor for a starter home vs. a mid-tier home is not much. So if for a $20k of investment in better trim materials means you can add $100k to the price, why not? A Millenial gets to upgrade, while the government buys up the Millenial’s old house to use for Section 8.
Remote work is being taken away because the C suite is enraged that you too might have a “country house” away from the blessings of diversity.
“Americans are forced to compete with the world’s poorest for jobs, and the world’s richest for housing.” I wish I could take credit for that quote. I can’t remember where I first saw it, but it stuck with me. There is no pithier summary. It is true that our youth frequently hold inflated expectations. It’s also true that they exhibit numerous pathologies peculiar to the era–low attention spans, social awkwardness, brittle egos; the list goes on. Their complaints about the job market aren’t always reasonable. I’m not “on” Twitter. My understanding of current social media spats tends toward superficial, but… Read more »
Excellent comment. Well said.
Concur… That was masterful…
Inflation is the goal of AINO’s economic system. You’ll hear them talk about their 2% inflation “target” all the time. Which slowly leads to the same place that higher inflation leads to quickly. But most of the people are so gaslit that they’ve been persuaded that there’s something healthy about 2%. Healthy for bankers, but not for most of us. Thus, it was inevitable that a point would be reached when younger generations couldn’t attain the standard of living of the older ones. Regardless of the other factors under discussion. Perpetual inflation guarantees it. The only cure is deflation. Which… Read more »
A 33 trillion deficit likely means deflation never will be on the table (intentionally).
Actually its the opposite. 36 trillion in DEBT makes deflation all but inevitable. Either you default and get deflation, government shrinks, corporations shrink and the population shrinks. Or you get printing, hyperinflation, .gov stays in control a bit longer but still fails and we have corporate warlords fighting over the remains if any survive.
That’s the fly in the ointment for debt-based money. If the financial engineers don’t manage to keep inflation percolating, you get a deflationary mega-event that looks like a Cali wildfire.
Hence, “intentionally.” And the corporate warlords appear to be warming up.
Deflation is a force of nature, hyperinflation is a force of man.
Trump’s particular brand of economic Abeism requires continued deficit finance. War in Ukraine and Iran is not merely about Zion and its diaspora, but also keeping BRICS at bay.
Abeism is also why Trump is serious about Greenland, and ultimately, Canada. Mineral wealth is another form of reserve currency, and 25 million hosers have an embarrasment of riches in that respect.
40 million if you’re talking about the Canadian population.
Only the white ones.
In the before times, testing revealed that only 50 percent of students derived much benefit from education after age 12, 20 percent above age 16, and just 10 percent beyond age 18. Of course, that data came from White school children. Add the lowest common denominator of diversity into the mix, and it’s not hard to see why sending 60 percent of students to college would result in missed expectations and unpayable debt.
That said, the youth of the past did not like working in high school and would have preferred to hang out with friends playing video games. I liked my high school job. I worked at a veterinary hospital cleaning cages and doing other dirty work, eventually getting some more responsible assignments and skills. The main boss, the head vet, could be extremely verbally abusive, but while I hated getting yelled at, it was like having a drill sergeant — I probably deserved most of the yelling I received. It toughened me up. It meant a lot to me when I… Read more »
Depends. I know I was bored to tears in high school. Work was a great outlet for me. YMMV.
I am not on twitter so I don’t have the full context for the discussion. The crux of this seems to be that no one wants to accept a lifestyle lower than their parents. Unfortunately, that’s the reality for almost all younger people these days. For the most part I don’t think any generation as truly accepted this. High schoolers, and even college grads, typically work low skilled jobs. Today, depending on your location, these jobs also look like bus stops in Tijuana or Haiti. The lucky grads who find high skilled work, say in tech or finance, will find… Read more »
The big fight on Twitter was over foreign visa employees. Go to school, get a tech degree, start a career and work your way up – that was the deal.
Then they all get fired and replaced by Indian indentured servants with fake degrees making half the pay. That’s the betrayal.
And anyone who has been in the inner workings of corporate operations knows that working with the Indians is a nightmare and not worth the savings.
Then… Elon Musk complains that the generation of unemployed 25 year-olds he replaced with foreigners aren’t having enough kids.
My favorite meme i saw on the Twitter fight:
“If I had two bullets and was faced with an enemy and a traitor, I would turn around and shoot my grandchildren twice. – boomers”
Thats the crux of the entire fight. Betrayal over immigration and the contract by fucking boomers who would gladly destroy an inheritance for one more fucking bruce Springsteen concert.
Your boomer bile is vile. There are millions of ‘boomers’ like me who had no part in all this shit you’re all bitching about and I think the entire situation sucks. I myself got pushed out of a pretty decent paying IT job after 40 years by some young goddamn dot and a witch of a white female manager. So there’s that. And sure it’s no picnic today, it never was. I was in HS and collage in the 70s, talk about suck. No jobs, stagflation, oil crisis, 20+% interest rates. In retrospect I don’t ever remember one of my… Read more »
Well you should, just not enough silents and “greatests” around to shit on for giving us fucking lbj , ted kennedy and the rest of the shit that came with those freaks. But some lived long enough to make our lives miserable like that asshole biden and his republican contemporary mccain.
I mean good god, did nobody think opening the floodgates to the world and killing freedom of association would lead to horrible outcomes for their posterity?
No, I’d think most of us understood that. Don’t be such a moron. Think. Just exactly how much did the 70% opposition to open borders make on policy during the Bidet administration?
“I mean good god, did nobody think opening the floodgates to the world and killing freedom of association would lead to horrible outcomes for their posterity?” Of course they did. The so-called “Boomer problem” has nothing whatsoever to do with an age cohort and *everything* to do with culture. And the question you ask has *everything* to do with that. It takes only 60 seconds or so to look up which states’ representatives voted in favor of Hart-Cellar and which did not. Of COURSE people foresaw what was coming, and they SAID SO, but since they were Southerners–and therefore automatically… Read more »
Yeah, and which dumbass generations voted for lbj? Outside the south, the whole cohort that existed. Gave us this nonsense followed by Reagans idiotic amnesty. Than Bush 1 increased legal immigration and Bush 2 tried another freaking amnesty. Who voted for them and thought increasing legal immigration to the moon and ignorint illegal immigration was great? Amazing how these cohorts come together to shit on their posterity.
Exactly. Excellent and measured comment. Non-Southern Silents and Greatest Generation WHITES (and of course “whites”) own mass migration, and even that generalization is very unfair since the average Gentile in the relevant cohort wasn’t down with population replacement. As everyone knows, there is absolutely no public input into policy despite the faux claims of popular democracy, and that’s been the case a very, very long time and even predates the Supreme Court’s heavy hand. We expect this type behavior from Cellar, but white devout Irish Catholic Hart is a warning that it didn’t take that all much deviation from the… Read more »
Economic prospects started to decline with the Oil Shock of 1973. There have been ups and downs but the trend overall has held. People remember the flush of the Eighties and Nineties but that sort of was the Indian Summer of the American economy. Winter came roaring back.
That sounds like an excellent meme with quite the kernel of truth. And yes – there are plenty of Boomers who fit the stereotype – but not all. And, as noted here before, most Boomers were too young to vote on the immigration and civil rights acts – that was ‘Greatests’ and ‘Silents’ – but Boomers did wholly embrace the results and pushed diversity on all Whites worldwide.
It’s true, many of us Boomers went along with the immigration and civil rights acts — because it appealed to the naive morality that was pitched to us with insipid songs like “All You Need is Love”, “Imagine”, and “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing in Perfect Harmony”. What we’re mostly guilty of is being brainwashed by propaganda like that. The question Zoomers bashing us should be asking is where and by whom all that stuff was being promulgated. And if and when they ask that question, I hope they will keep in mind that we didn’t have… Read more »
Our problem is whitey was raised to be “nice” because that was a marker of civilization, however, now, when a darki pushes past you to get on the bus first, it will be necessary for you to grab them by the hair, pull them back, and explain that this is America and you don’t do that here and it has to be done every single time.
Or perhaps – instead of grinding away trying to compete with billions of non-White aliens – Whites could focus on a parallel society, helping, hiring, and promoting their own. Why invest in a system that wants White people dead? So they can work under Indian bosses and marry a Han?
I really wish Whites wanted that Sister I really do…
If I could pick a half-dozen regular commenters from this site and hand them control of all social media, things would begin to turn around in less than six weeks.
As the Yogi Vedas teach us, half the problem is ninety percent mental.
Z, you missed a massive problem in this post that also ties in with your birth rate podcast where you also missed it. Today’s youth can’t afford houses. Houses are absurdly more expensive now compared to median income. For our grandparents and parents, the median house cost compared to median income was around 3-4x, it’s now 7x. A public college education is 42% of the median yearly income compared to 14-17% for our parents and grandparents. You mention kids living at home, THIS IS WHY. Boomers gloss over this fact or can’t comprehend how wages haven’t kept up with the… Read more »
And just to give a specific example: My grandfather was a cop.Grandmother was a house wife. He made right around the median income at the time (50th percentile). He bought a house and a beachfront property on that salary. My wife and I both make 6 figures and are in the top 10%. I’m quite thrifty, and I couldn’t dream of buying the property he bought because of the cost. Again, this is what boomers don’t understand. They just spit out the “work hard and it’ll be yours too” without really analyzing the changes in conditions.
“Boomers gloss over this fact or can’t comprehend how wages haven’t kept up with the absurd inflation of housing and college.” Or want you to focus long enough to understand the source of that absurd inflation. Like Mr. House said, inflation is not a force of nature. “If you deported a few million people, you’d finally start to see some relief, but the boomers would have a panic attack at this.” Why? People have already pointed out that it’s cheaper for Boomers not to downsize. Housing is a stupid benchmark, anyway. At whatever price level you cash out, you are… Read more »
Even the median numbers are probably too optimistic. Decades ago, a “median” house would have been located in a reasonably safe neighborhood, with a serviceable public school nearby. In the 2020s, I’m not so sure about either of those assumptions. I won’t even discuss our prospects for fruitful and fulfilling community relationships.
Immigration offers compounding challenges on the housing market–it simultaneously raises demand and degrades the practical value of cheaper housing. We appear to be hurtling towards a strict dichotomy, between those who live in walled palaces, and those who live in the surrounding favela.
It’ll be alright. Granted, I’m behind schedule, but I have a freaking BFA, and I’m making decent money doing fairly high-skilled and technical labor that I worked my way into. Not done, either. Maybe go back to school and get that profession my family wanted for me. Thinking about it. Special, stupid case, this one 😃 Point being, the worm has turned, in my experience. After the collapse of conservatism and the woke beat down, after a decade of laboring in obscurity for me, doors are starting to open. Methinks society is finally starting to figure out we don’t have… Read more »
but I have a freaking BFA, and I’m making decent money doing fairly high-skilled and technical labor that I worked my way into. I feel ya. My degree is in journalism, but I wasn’t the typical journalism major. I was good at math and computers, so I also had a really strong suite of computer science courses — not enough that it officially countered as a minor, but close. I probably could have argued for it if I was a striver. Anyway, I realized while I was working for the local paper that I am just not nosy enough to… Read more »
Working in manufacturing I see the young folks have it both hard and easy, but certainly they have be screwed over by the older generations. The schools taught them nonsense and they have no skills. On the other hand, they only have to show minimal competence and not cause trouble and the job will be handed to them.
In the old days business advertised for customers. Now they advertise for workers. And no: H1Bs, Mestizos, and Africans are not going to be filling the needs. The need is COMPETENCE.
You know the other thing is pay. My aunt used to work for a car seat manufacturer as a seamstress. It was grueling work. A true sweatshop just in terms of what was required of you, though the employer was decent. I remember reading 10 or more years ago about a company trying to bring back seat manufacturing to Detroit. I think they were going to be paying $11 an hour or something like that at the time, which didn’t sound like a lot of money for the kind of work they would be doing.
That said, the youth of the past did not like working in high school and would have preferred to hang out with friends playing video games. Nobody I knew disliked working in high school. Wages let us to do stuff like have an old car and keep it running, thereby having the means to be off somewhere on our own. At least we’d have our own money to spend on things we wanted, Among my early boomer cohort, a kid who spent all his time doing something analogous to staying passively at home and playing video games all day would… Read more »
Exactly I loved my highschool jobs and did quite the variety of them and the kids I hung around did as well…
It’s not clear that they have it easier, given the crushing debt most of them incurred while in school. Granted, they took it on so they could enjoy the resort-style living for four (or more) years. Still, they have an unpleasant future to look forward to: one less optimistic and welcoming than boomers had.
But just think, once they have the digital surveillance state fully in place, we’ll be able to be bought and sold like the units we are.
IMO, the most important new challenge that young people face today is the 100+ million additional people in the country due to mass immigration since 1965, and particularly since the ~1990, and not just the lettuce picking class. There has been a MASSIVE influx of people willing to do middle class jobs for what were once below market wages. Adding to the challenges, housing (owning and renting) is WAY more expensive because of the massive population increase, and affordable housing for middle to working class folks is often a 2 hour commute from where the jobs are. And on top… Read more »
Have them look into the trades Brother…
Many young people have figured out that the ticket to a decent lifestyle is a cushy job in government, a union, or government/military contracting (after a non-combat spell in the military, ideally skinning one’s knee so as to claim disability or hearing distant gunfire so as to claim PTSD). Work hard to start a business or excel in a profession? Why bust your gut doing that when you can have the above? But the problems affecting young people today chiefly involve poor public education, social media, and lack of parental involvement – and all the brainwashing, lack of skills, psychological… Read more »
Entry level jobs in California are mostly filled by legal and illegal immigrants. The lower level hospital jobs where I worked were overwhelmingly staffed with non-white immigrants and the better-paying jobs became chiefly non-white over the 32 years I worked there. The lower level employees were Hispanic and Filipino, the higher paid were East Asian and Indian. Most of the whites were long-time employees hired before the big non-white influx who were slogging toward retirement. Go to a construction site here and the workers are >90% Hispanic, with a few white guys to supervise.
There’s been a see-saw of democrat and republican leadership through the last 30 years…., jobs/no jobs. Under Obama they tried to cement in American young minds this is just how it is and it’s really your fault, and if not your fault, well, their favorite saying, “it is how it is”. Then came Trump and good jobs happened again, ones with a form you had to fill out saying you were a citizen. Then Biden happened, same as Obama as they fleeced us good . Now Trump again and the tech bros trying to HB1 us back to Obama years,… Read more »
There are plenty of opportunities for young people in our military. It’s stronger than ever, gayness is mostly encouraged. And that’s important since 83% of kids under 23 identify as very or extremely gay.
but most importantly, joining the military is the best way to fight antisemitism throughout the world. Antisemitism is a growing problem and so is homophobia. Also, racism is a huge problem in Russia, Iran and China. Enlisting will give our young people meaning in their lives, instead of video games, tik tok and rap music.
There might be some hope. I ran across this story today at the link below about a new defense plant being built in Ohio. 4000 new jobs because defense manufacturing is being onshored again. Largest job creating project in the history of Ohio. Mike DeWine maybe a RINO, but he’s hitting home runs when it comes to job creation. Offshoring defense manufacturing to third world countries that are unreliable and often hostile to us was just plain stupid. But stupid is par for the course among the smart set. But remember, Trump haters, Trump did that. My point is that… Read more »
…By 2035?
Do you not remember when Trump was bragging about Foxconn investing $10 Billion in Wisconsin with the intent to create 13,000 jobs? How’d that turn out?
https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2023/11/10/what-happened-to-foxconn-in-wisconsin-a-timeline/71535498007/
Good luck finding skilled machinists and CNC programmers to fill those jobs. America didn’t just hollow out its manufacturing base; It also hollowed out its human capital. H1Bs, Mestizos and Africans are NOT high quality human capital.
Yeah, but it’s defense industry. Building something with the intent to blow it up, or, best case, stuff it in a warehouse somewhere until it ages out and has to be replaced. That’s a dead loss.
I’m not so worried about the 4,000 jobs by 2035 thing. It’s better than 0 jobs by 2035…
[…] ZMan looks behind the curtain. […]
smash and grab is what Jewish doing last century, Jews destroyed the element of western prosperity possible and at the same time looting white people
problem is Jews destroyed white people meaning are killing the golden goose
Corporate America no longer profitable because Jew changed the value that makes corporate profitable
I see the Chinese corporation take all the business that Germany and America used to have
And Jew can’t get profit from it because Chinese are discriminate non-Chinese just like Jew did to non-Jews
I think there is a lot of opportunity for young people today. There are openings for real engineering disciplines (chemical, electrical, mechanical, materials science) and it has never easier to become an airline pilot than it is today. What is hitting young people over the head is the huge costs associated with education, health care, and housing. The first two are the results of decades ofoligopolistic corruption and the latter a result of decades of FED cheap money induced asset inflation. All three of these must be rolled back, not only to save young people, but to save our society… Read more »
Engineering pay is not that great unless one is able to find the rare good engineering job in a low-cost of living area.
The other problem with STEM jobs is that they tend to lack the intangible benefits that are found in fields like medicine, finance/business, and law.
My younger brother got his degree in Mechanical engineering, his first job was basically working the phones for orders at a bearing company. The old guys would call him on his day off to ask him questions about size and such. He decided that was no path for him.
Excellent anecdote and point that I missed!
Underemployment is a danger for anyone in the STEM space.
I have found myself working as a glorified draftsman at points. Not a fun or satisfying place to be.
“I have found myself working as a glorified draftsman at points. Not a fun or satisfying place to be.”
That’s what my son was doing with his Mechanical Engineering degree, too. Until one day he decided to get off his butt and take a chance with his own company. It wasn’t easy for them, no, because he was the sole income, but they got on solid footing several years faster than I did.
An acquaintance of ours was a mechanic and decided to go back to school to get a mechanical engineering degree. The employment he found was always temporary gig-type work with no bennies.
The other problem with STEM jobs is that they tend to lack the intangible benefits that are found in fields like medicine, finance/business, and law. This certainly has not been my experience. On the contrary, physics has been a most satisfying path with both tangible and intangible benefits. When our company was bought out, I reaped the tangible benefits, though the salary up to that point had been more than satisfactory. Starting a new business also worked out. But our objective was always give priority to the F-word: fun. The business elements (hiring staff, getting business) were necessary evils, not… Read more »
“I think there is a lot of opportunity for young people today.”
Yes x100, but…
There is also a lot of opportunity in China working at the Apple mega assembly campus #24 or third shift at Wells Fargo/ JPMorgan in central India.
I have young family members living in SF/ San Jose making well over $200k a year. They are POOR and, if they remain, will not marry.
Ranch houses of $2 million plus private schools at $50k = terminal phase of mouse eutopia.
It’s too late for that.