One of the things lost in the excitement of the first month of the Trump administration is the pending reform of the FBI. When Kash Patel was grilled by the Senate, he repeatedly made clear that reforming the agency was his top priority. This is one reason Senate Democrats are stalling his nomination. This paramilitary wing of the Blob is calling in every favor to preserve itself. That lawsuit seeking to prevent the DOJ from getting the names of the J6 agents is a similar move.
There is little questioning the underlying premise of the reform cause. The FBI has lost all credibility with the public after a string of scandals. Framing people is a terrible thing but creating elaborate traps for not-so-bright people, as we saw in the Michigan kidnapping hoax, is monstrous. Most people do not know this has been common practice for decades, but many people know it. Of course, you have the outlandish behavior of the FBI during the first Trump term.
The topic of reform starts with looking at how an organization reached the point where reform is required to save it. That is where the FBI is now. Many people think it might be best to just close it down entirely. The few necessary things it does could be transferred to other agencies or maybe to a new agency with a severely limited portfolio, something like an FBI-lite. When forty percent of the agency was used to go after the J6 people over the last four years, the agency is rotten to the core.
The number one reason the FBI is a mess is that it, like most police forces in the country, was turned into a paramilitary unit. After the North Hollywood shootout, where two heavily armed bank robbers tried to shoot their way through a police cordon, every police department has been transformed into a paramilitary unit. They got money for military grade weapons, body armor and tactical training. They also tapped into the military for equipment and the sort of men who enjoy military life.
The result is the police now function like British soldiers patrolling Northern Ireland during The Troubles or American Marines patrolling Afghanistan. No law enforcement organization group has been deformed more than the FBI by this. Years of selection pressure has resulted in agents who not only look at the general public with contempt, but look forward to confrontations with them. They arrive in full battle gear and have a hostile attitude to arrest mothers holding their children.
It is not an accident that the things the FBI is supposed to do have not gotten better over the last thirty years. Whenever some well-known crazy goes nuts and shoots up a public place, we always learn that this person was “known to the FBI.” We also learn they did nothing about it. Over the last thirty years, the FBI has been transformed from the nation’s top law enforcement agency into a heavily armed gang of thugs who only care about pushing around the average citizen.
You see this in the collapse of standards for FBI agents. A common video online is two portly agents, dressed like they are going to watch their kid’s t-ball game, paying a visit to a citizen over a social media post. The grotesque lack of professional standards jumps off the screen. People now expect higher standards from building inspectors and parking attendants than from FBI agents. The ones not playing soldier are slovenly couch potatoes with the disposition of a postal clerk.
The image of the FBI is a good example of the interplay between the aesthetic and the spiritual that we used to understand. The poorest man used to have a suit for going to church and for when he was buried, because the formal things in life were the important things in life, so it was reflected in your appearance. The Medieval scholar Erasmus, paraphrasing Quintilian wrote, “To dress within the formal limits and with an air gives men, as the Greek line testifies, authority.”
This is where to start with reforming the FBI. The first thing that should happen is every agent must pass a physical test, controlled for their age and sex, within the first ninety days or be fired. At the same time, the agents start wearing suits and the corresponding for female agents. Get rid of the casual clothes and you get rid of the casual attitudes they have toward their jobs. For most, showing up to work dressed like an adult will be terrifying, but maybe they should find other work.
Along the same lines, there is no reason for FBI tactical units. Agents get a standard sidearm that is locked up at their office when they are off duty. The automatic weapons, body armor, flashbangs, etc. all go back to the military. The guys who signed up so they can bust down doors will not like it, but they need to think about either going back into the military or signing up with an international security contractor. Free people do not tolerate paramilitary units operating in their society.
Of course, this will result in most agents leaving the FBI. The PT will eliminate a good chunk of them and the new dress code will filter out many more. The goons playing soldier will find the new culture intolerable. That opens the door for the next reform, which is a return to the old education standard. It used to be that the FBI required a degree in accounting. Then it is expanded to computer science. Now the ranks are littered with criminal justice majors.
In this age, the role of the FBI is to investigate technical crimes, like computer trespass, electronic fraud, corporate crimes, and other crimes that require intelligence. You not only need smarts to do this work, but you need technical skills. Reestablishing educational standards, like bringing back the dress code, is as much about fixing the culture of the organization as raising the quality of people in it. Smart people who take pride in their work tend not to beat up old ladies.
In the end, the problems of the FBI are a microcosm of what has brought managerialism to the brink of collapse. They simply stopped caring about their core function and stopped caring about their own standards. This opened the door to mischief and the sorts of people who feed on mischief. It turns out that those old standards had a purpose after all. The lesson here is Chesterton’s fence. The reform of government starts with revisiting all the old, abandoned rules.
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‘At the same time, the agents start wearing suits and the corresponding for female agents’ Rong. You still don’t get it. NO females. When a female — even one — enters a male space, everything subtly changes. Men change their behavior and then, gradually, the organization begins to change to make it more ‘female friendly’. Women (and weak men) then bring in other women and guaranteed, they will organize and demand changes . . . a speech code . . . fudged standards . . . men helping out with the heavier duties . . . on and on. Soon… Read more »
NO females?
Too strict.
Depends on the job assignment. Unarmed, non-supervisory jobs doing desk or lab work? Sure.
Ray has a point. What I think you miss here is how the inclusion of women spreads a poison into the organization. To wit, Feminism of the current wave inevitably will try to undermine the logical assignments of agents, male and female, into different roles within the organization. So yes, women could indeed find roles within the FBI quite suited to their skill sets, however they will not be content with such and seek to expand within the organization into areas staffed by men—to the detriment of the whole. To this effect, one need not look specifically at the FBI,… Read more »
This is one of the things that has led to the explosion of the number of cops. Most criminals are young men and the women simply cannot handle them. When female cops arrest young men, it’s only because the young men didn’t fight. For every woman they hire, they need an extra man. Of course, the second there are women cops, there are demands for promotion. You end up with a bunch of incompetent women running the dept. They are also pretty infamous for suing the departments or for going on permanent disability (with full pay) the very first time… Read more »
Females are also more likely to resort to firearms when dealing with criminals.
And Blacks more than Whites.
I wonder if they shoot any better than nuggras…
Probably. The famous inability of basketball-Americans to shoot straight is related to the fact that so many are felons. They may have guns but they can’t really openly go to the range to practice without risking arrest and few of them live where it’s rural enough to just go out and blast some cans in the woods. The lesbian (let’s be honest) cops at least have to do range time.
Agree. PD retains a SMALL unit of females for body searches etc., but ALWAYS under direct supervision of males. No diversity no quotas no empowerment no nothing.
Same principle with, for example, hospitals. Enough nurses for personal care, always under male supervision. No more dancing TikTok vids celebrating special attention because Covid.
Most police work is unsuitable for females. Ditto for the armed forces. The military once had a female component (e.g., the WACs and Army Nurse Corps) that did good work. Both the police and military should return to that model (although I will not hold my breath waiting foe it to happen).
There was the recent video of a female cop in Florida trying to disarm this brotha. In fairness he was being completely compliant. But due to either lacking sufficient hand strength or incompetence or the jitters, she managed to shoot the guy in the leg with his own gun. Just one incident but they add up. It should be obvious by now.
Sure it was the female cop’s fault in that instance. But was it legal for that saggy pantsed fool to have a loaded gun on his waist?
And your point is what?
Not an irrelevant point: If Bro wasn’t a felon, certified insane or under 21, and assuming he was not in a small set of prohibited locations, in FL it’s legal to carry a gun concealed (and only so, again, with certain exceptions) and you don’t need a permit.
The feminization of college was the Number One reason why I never had a real academic career.
You missed nothing *and* in my opinion have retained your dignity. I, myself, have doubts about mine after a successful career. In retrospect, I was part of the problem albeit unknowingly at the time.
ZMan: “They simply stopped caring about their core function and stopped caring about their own standards.“ I fear that the reality of the situation is vastly worse even than that. My best guess is that Personalities are determined at conception, and that for the vast overwhelming majority of the population, the Personality they are dealt at conception [i.e. Spermatozoon-x-Ovum] is precisely the Personality they will take with them to the grave. In particular, the ruination of the FBI came about via the infiltration of Passive Aggressive personality types into the DOJ bureaucracy, and the FBI simply became another psycho-sociological appendage… Read more »
This shady ID guy thinks feminism is good because divided and conquer due to Gender feud work very well for the Jews
Ladies can do certain FBI jobs. My Mom worked in the FBI Fingerprint division in the old days, which was mainly run (well) by women. She says their theme song was “Some Day My Prints Will Come”…..
It’s been a few decades since secretaries started disappearing from offices. Men learned how to do our own typing on a computer, but we could bring back the secretary, subject to your policy. Fags who sneak in and claw their way to the top will want someone to flirt with, to relieve the stress associated with pretending to be straight and maintaining a wife at home. Otoh, we could do something else. Chesterton’s fence is useful imagery here. Now that being out of the closet is normalized, we ought to think about ways to keep it normalized while andrarchy and… Read more »
But, but what about Scully (lol)?
Scullery.
And no more skullduggery…
How about nobody with a name like Kash Patel.
Yep, I am also super pro-Patriarchy. Women have no business in most work, public life, politics, and voting. Of course there are individual capable and smart women, but so what? They and society are better off having healthy kids young. Men and women are different and that nature must be respected. Sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive, as heartiste would say. Women are inherently MORE valuable than men so let that value be used properly! And the presence of women will subtly or unsubtly deplete male camaraderie because of demoralization, lower standards, and the FACT that sexual competition over… Read more »
Well said.
There really aren’t ‘capable’ women as such. Sure, they’re capable in womanly roles. The key point about male roles is that men naturally respect the hierarchy. Women don’t, so they confuse their almost insignificant roles (Madame Curie, Rosalind Frank) as *important contributions*, rather than make-work projects.
Yes. A fundamental difference between the male and female that Americans refuse to see: males are hierarchical, and females are communitarian or equalist. Men desire freedom; women desire safety.
Therefore, females force nations Leftward — the direction that Cthulhu swims — and males move nations Rightward.
Excellent point. If anyone wants a real world example, just review that insufferable, solipsistic wench Nance Mace. She destroyed The Citadel, wants you to know about it and wants to be praised for it.
“Islam is right about women.”
Islam is right about just about everything. So was Christianity, but, you know…
Not to disagree, Ray, but I stopped in to comment on my one experience with an FBI agent, a woman, and your comment comes up first; looks like you hit the popularity jackpot for the day. So I’ll just say what I wanted to say, and slink off… In 2006, when my daughter was being vetted for a security clearance, a very pleasant and professionally-dressed young woman came to our house and talked with me and the missus for about ninety minutes. All routine, of course, but thorough and occasionally unnerving. It was, after all, testimony under oath to a… Read more »
I think I can say, she got her clearance—but not from your interview. Of course, you could have sunk her, but I suspect they spoke with folk you’ve never heard of before and all those interviews came back clear.
My points stand. If America continues down her present path, eventually you will learn why I say what I say about empowering females and making them judges and rulers over men.
“Years of selection pressure has resulted in agents who not only look at the general public with contempt, but look forward to confrontations with them.”
I can’t think of a single federal law enforcement agency this doesn’t describe to a tee.
I’ll never forget all those fat men and women in full battle rattle with a giant FBI on their backs and chests KNEELING in front of criminals.
Unreformable. No courage.
Regular police did that too of course.
It was darkly comedic to see the same people who just a few years earlier shoved machine guns in the faces of farmers for selling unpasteurized milk go on to publicly signal allegiance to rioting savages.
Those thin blue line flags are now just another variant of the burn loot murder flags shitlibs adorn their yards with as far as I’m concerned.
Cops and criminals are co-workers. The job they share is to victimize and terrorize law-abiding citizens.
No police agency is reformable, except in the most traditional way.
Every problem is a list of people.
There’s truth to this unfortunately. Obviously, there is a place for police in a just civil society.
But in this clown society, the cops and “justice” system shield and defend the low-life criminals from the due justice from the people.
“Obviously, there is a place for police in a just civil society.“
And, yet, it wasn’t until comparatively recently that most towns had more than a town watch, or even just a night watchman.
And that gets to the nub of it. The problem is not law enforcement agencies, the problem is the perverse and deranged nature of AINO in which those agencies incubate.
The feds have also turned every agency into police. They all seem to have an armed component now.
They’re arming agencies that have no business doing law enforcement work & of course the people they hare diverse so its extremely dangerous.
That’s what’s gotten me about the Tank Guy from Tiananmen Square as it’s obvious at this point that an American tank would have driven right over the guy.
…unless he was black.
I am on the side of abolishing all secret police agencies. They are inconsistent with who we are, or were, or ought to be, as a nation. But the first step of any “reform” effort is decapitation. Send the entire 7th floor to the border to do actual work while they await being recalled and deposed. What would result from this? Some might be allowed to return to duty, even promoted. Others will be transferred to more suitable agencies such as the Bureau of Prisons. Some will be fired. Many will retire. And some will be prosecuted for their own… Read more »
This is a great idea. It has a strong overlap with my comment, but I think is much better in clarity. Yes. As they feel under threat of a job and a future you make them perform a duty that is essential to our cause. Identify with proper psychological profiling the ones who will respond to positive reinforcement on a joint mission with ICE and NorCom to fully engage in mass deportation. Likely their role will be to do enforcement on the merchant class and assist field agents with ICE and NorCom to punish merchants who. The next thing will… Read more »
Waco. ATF/FBI + Schumer + Reno + Clinton. There will be no reform without consequences. People who perpetrated crimes must be punished and kicked out. Pick the most egregious ones and make the cases high profile. Use the new media to include trial by media. Turnabout is fair play. As Sam Dickson has said, “We are in an alley fight.” Then these organizations need their instincts channeled for good. No more military adventures in the Hindu Kush. If we want a humanitarian military then it goes to South Africa to help Afrikaaners and Anglos to establish their own autonomous territories… Read more »
I get tired of seeing United States police dressed like Israeli soldiers ready to go into Gaza and snipe Palestinians when the problems were created by letting people who cannot be policed into this nation and not using the police and court systems properly to take care of the criminal element we had so now we are left with police looking like paramilitary units trained in Israel in every American city.
Because more than a few of the WERE trained in Israel.
Yes. Speaking of which, the ADL also trains the FBI on what hate is. I was chased off of “Conservative” platforms for pointing this out and raising the specter of dual loyalty. The TSA equipment is I believe all developed in Israel and that agency is also trained by Israelis.
It is too soon for this, but at some point those arrangements must and will be challenged. Going after this aspect of the FBI is going to be a big enough win.
you can reform the fbi like you can reform a rabid dog.
While agreed that slovenly appearance is an issue, if only that were the problem! During the Summer of Floyd, which we now know was funded through USAID and directed and coordinated by the FBI/DOJ, calls went out to “abolish the police!” Of course, nothing of the sort was intended by the deranged gay race communists. What they wanted was local law enforcement supplanted with thugs and monsters who take direct orders from D.C. They did not trust the political loyalty of local cops. Remember, when the tranny shot up the Nashville Christian school the FBI sealed her diary and records… Read more »
Their first Director was a homo and it went downhill from there. Get rid of it and start a different agency with mandate for white collar and paper crime, whatever. But NOT a paramilitary branch of the DNC, full of homos and feminists and liberals.
They tell you an awful lot about themselves just by leaving his name up there proudly on their building.
The first director, William J. Flynn, apparently was straight. He did resign after getting busted for setting up Irish and Germans on espionage charges during WWI. So unlike J. Edgar Hoover, a thug without being a fag.
The country got by without an FBI for more than a century. IIRC, that rat bastard TR created the abomination. Not for the protection of the US, like their mission statement shows but for protection of the government.
Disband and replace with nothing.
Weird guy. I think he was what every American man should aspire to, but then he turned into a prog.
Very well said! You have touched on something in passing that is of extreme importance but that few Americans understand: that ALL law enforcement in America is LOCAL. I read with distressing frequency screeds about property taxes being “the most immoral tax of all” is the way it is usually worded, the notion–I won’t call it an idea–being that one does not own one’s own property but merely rents it, etc., etc. I’m sure you have run across it. But nobody stops to consider that under the American constitutional system, the police power inheres in the People, who have merely… Read more »
Feebo delenda est!
Suggestion:
The total end of the FBI Interview Form 302.
It’s an outrage that the FBI can conduct an unrecorded interview, take notes, write a memo…REVISE that memo weeks later under their supervisors pressure, and that has the force of a recording to a court of law.
Outrageous. The government is rich. They can record every interview. The purpose of a system is what it does…this one is ripe for abuse.
What honest citizen, knowing this, would EVER speak to an FBI agent?
My mom and dad did, and they paid for it. Took about $100k to clear the “lying to a Federal Agent” resolved when they misremembered the the date of something that happened nearly 2 decades in the past. And which they were not involved, other than happening to be where it happened, so were witnesses.
Never talk to any LEO about anything of consequence. Ever. As the deputy who lives down the road from me says, “Nothing you tell me is ever off the record.” Not because that’s the kind of guy he is, but because it is “the law”.
This speaks to the militarization of federal law-enforcement agencies and police as a whole. One unnoticed aspect of DEI in the fed agencies (though perhaps not local police as they seem to be constantly understaffed) is that the slots for white men was reduced dramatically. The only white guys who had a preference that matched blacks and women were white men who had served in the military. As a result, govt agencies, particularly law enforcement agencies, are heavily staffed with ex-military men (and women). The same is also true for state and local police. Obviously, a certain kind of guy… Read more »
Forever wars make forever veterans, who need to be employed. Kind of like all that military hardware. Since we’re not in the business of conquering territory and handing out farms, maybe the wars need to be re-thought.
Exactly. These aren’t just ex-military guys. They’re ex-military with combat experience. And not combat experience against an organized, similar military but insurgencies where you patrol city streets and break into buildings to find bad guys who dress like civilians.
That kind of experience might just have an impact on what kind of FBI agent or cop you become.
“These aren’t just ex-military guys. They’re ex-military with combat experience. And not combat experience against an organized, similar military but insurgencies where you patrol city streets and break into buildings to find bad guys who dress like civilians.“
The worst of the worst tend to be things like QC, or motor pool, or, especially, MP. Combat can have itchy trigger fingers, but they have first hand experience that death is permanent, so apart from the psychos, they tend to have a lot better discipline.
Yes. For centuries the Romans had a much healthier way to deal with its veterans. The veterans colonies were positive. The Empire could reconstitute this idea but by putting the colonies or creating civic leadership by vets back in their home towns, counties and cities. This would bring back the talented and forged men that were taken from them and bring the money and rewards of Empire back to those communities. If you are going to have an Empire, it should benefit the Republic. Anyway, there is a lot in taking the Roman veteran’s colonies idea and adopting it for… Read more »
Yeah it’s ass-backwards what we do. Go abroad, send the troops home to oppress the people, colonize yourself with the people you ‘conquered’. Wtf.
There hasn’t been much combat in the last 10 to 12 years now, if you call shooting goat herders, combat. GWOT wasn’t exactly Iwo Jima or even Hue. Ex military or not, the wanna be running around in full body army with night vision goggles and fully automatic rifles are the most annoying clowns around. North Hollywood and a few other places maybe showed the need for more firepower but maybe just better tactics.
I think an even bigger problem is the hiring of non-white men and then creating a culture where subjugating and genociding White people is the most positive moral good. The Regime has really lit a giant bonfire and surrounded it with powder across the country with that one. The Biden regime we saw pictures of mostly blacks making arrests of White men. Remember that Daniel Penny’s trial was only a couple of months ago. He won, but the hostility of our enemies was only stoked by the outcome. We are in far greater danger of an anti-White regime whose enforcement… Read more »
A few years back (Biden years) I saw photos of (IIRC) police at the U.S. Capitol. I was appalled. They looked like they could have just stepped off a plane from Kingston, Jamaica, given the hairstyles and other grooming. The only things missing were the colorful Rasta hat and a spliff billowing smoke out of their mouths, Mon. I grew up in the DC area and between late 60s and early 2000s never saw anything so “ethnic.” In more conservative times, Negro officers were well-groomed, shorter hair, no beards, etc. My how times change.
It’s been a big thing recently in leftist jurisdictions to pass Negro “hair” laws. It’s literally illegal to tell them they can’t wear dreads and cornrows. Even the military did something similar, the Army can’t tell Sikhs to shave or something like that.
I think about the FBI killing that man in Utah. Yes, he spoke a lot of crap and he should have been charged. But you grab his butt when he’s out of his house. Kinda like what they did to the main character in the movie ‘Wargames’. They have heavy hands now.
Charged with what? People on this very site could be flagged for the same thing. But our FBI minders realize it’s not a credible threat. Why did that guys minders flub it so badly?
Think of the crazies as the paramilitary wing of the blob’s agencies.
They love pushing law-abiding citizens around because it’s almost as easy as clubbing baby seals.
Slovenliness is now endemic throughout our society and as a result, our culture has become more and more degraded. Go to any airport, at least in this country to get an eyeful. Hell, even in nice restaurants you’ll see slobs wearing sneakers, tee shirts and shorts. But when a supposed “premier” law enforcement agency follows suit, that’s trouble.
Sneakers, tee shirts and shorts are bad enough. But even worse–and depressingly common–are pajamas, tattoos, piercings and garishly dyed hair. Alas, white women seem to be the worst offenders.
“They arrive in full battle gear and have a hostile attitude to arrest mothers holding their children.” Or in the case of Vicki Weaver, skip the arrest completely and have your slant-eyed FBI sniper (Lon Horiuchi) just dome her from sniping distance causing the infant to fall to the ground while the unarmed mother’s brains leak out nearby. In no universe that is even remotely just would Horiuchi not be in prison for cold blooded murder, but he got not so much as a slap on the wrist much less jail time. And that is the thing NONE of them… Read more »
I’d accept eliminating qualified immunity for cops if we simultaneously eliminated it for senators and congresscritters (who at least have time to meditate before they act). That could be a fair deal. Not that anybody GAS what I accept.
“The ones not playing soldier are slovenly couch potatoes with the disposition of a postal clerk“. Reminds me of when Farage said Van Rompuy had the “charisma of a damp rag” and the appearance of a “low-grade bank clark.” It does beg the question “What is the actual scope of the FBI” and are they operating within the limitations of the law which I suspect has been far over reaching for decades. I find it interesting that many of the American police departments have started dressing like para-military members with combat boots, cargo pocket pants, etc., It sends a message… Read more »
I worked in a semi-rural county, with the largest city having a population of around 45,000. The sheriff’s department there not only had a relatively new military Humvee, but also some huge armored vehicle, bigger than a Sherman tank. Both were kept hidden in a big warehouse-type building.
This mostly-white county had some crime, but mostly because of a growing drug-abuse problem. I don’t recall seeing any bands of mujahadeen or Houthis around.
Years ago, a group of lawyers setout to catalog all of the Federal crimes. Once they reached about four thousand, it became clear that everything is against Federal law, because the laws are so vague and so prolific that anything can be construed as a violation of the law.
“…the laws are so vague and so prolific that anything can be construed as a violation of the law.”
And in this we return to a prescient Ayn Rand who long ago wrote:
“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
It is a feature rather than a bug. It is like people who claim the tax code is so complex it is hard to do it lawfully. Reckon?
https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229
It sends a message to the public that these people are members of an occupying Army intent on controlling the public. That’s a helpful analogy, and few people give any thought to the possibility that police forces are emasculating and socially divisive. Powerful policing turns the great mass of men into dependent, perfumed sissies who look to one of the local cops to be the first man in their lives. Local social hierarchy, which is natural, is disrupted so that capital and democracy can have obedient workers and docile tax payers controlled by armed farm hands. Men do not organize… Read more »
I remember when police cruisers were painted white and police weren’t trying to be intimidating.
I’m reminded of my boomer dad watching arrest videos on YouTube. The whole Cops and America’s Most Wanted thing. Law and order conservatives. Lol.
The younger age cohort’s arrogance about job prospects will come to bite them. I see it with my nieces and nephews, and, to a certain degree, despite by warnings, with my own children. “I’ll just quit this job and easily get another”. If they make me “return to office” I’ll quit. If they make me follow the rules I’ll quit. If they don’t praise me and pat me on my head I’ll quit. Musk could, pulling a number out of my butt, get rid of 30% of the bureaucracy by just making them show up and not giving them “free”… Read more »
Sink or swim. It’s coming.
Rise of the Warrior Cop by Stephen Balko is a great chronicle on how law enforcement agencies got out of control. They view us as the Israelis view the Gazans. Balko is a flaming cultural Marxist, but his critiques against civil asset forfeiture (where cops can steal your property even if you haven’t committed a crime) and the federal program to supply military-surplus equipment, vehicles and even helicopters to law enforcement agencies ring true. I’ve told this story before, but when I was commuting to my Air National Guard unit in full dress uniform, I got pulled over by the… Read more »
I had a similar incident years ago. I was driving a friends car and was set upon by a tactical unit. I was thrown onto eh ground and frisked. It turned out that the car they were looking for was a different make, model and color and the driver was black. I have since learned that this is so common there is an cottage industry for lawyers to sue the cops over this stuff. Now we have YouTube channels dedicated to it. Billions of tax payer dollars are pissed away because of it.
Did you get a settlement?
I have a good friend who is retired LEO of many years. He was stopped in his vehicle for a traffic violation. So what’s the big deal? Well this was in the city and the officers worked for the Park Services (IIR). They were part of a group of rookies “in training”. They were all lined up on a stretch of road and told to pull over everyone whom they saw violate a traffic law. Their performance was evaluated by their training officer. Of course, every other car traveling by was stopped for one or more “violations”. To keep the… Read more »
The militarization of police began after the 1965 Watts riots. A second and larger wave began after the 1992 riots and continued until 2001.
The militarization of federal law enforcement agents and everyone else kicked into overdrive after 9/11.
LEOs who tended to deal mostly with illegal campfires and bear jams were told that they were the point of the spear in the GWOT.
“I’m goin’ home at the end of muh shift, bro. Anyone could be a terrorist, ya know”
LOL
A relative of mine is LEO for small town in Indiana. Picture of him from ten 10 years ago and last year is stark – 10 years ago: small town bumpkin cop where rockin’ Under Armour wad high speed; today: tacticool and more wiermacht looking.
The cops love the militarized stuff; It’s all the fun and coolness factor without any of the risk.
Not much danger putting on all the cool gear, kicking in doors and dragging 70 year old J6’r grandmas in their nightgowns out on the front lawn at 3am.
“Free people do not tolerate paramilitary units operating in their society.” This happened long ago with PDs across the US. It is no way limited to the FBI or other federal police. The other aspect of the militarization of the cops is the anarcho-tyranny that has been unleashed in much of the country. They refuse to enforce the law against the criminal class while enforcing every jot and tittle against the law abiding citizen, particularly in civil offenses with fines. We also have armies of cops literally robbing people on the side of the road of any cash or valuables… Read more »
Abolish all public schools and return to the old ways of letting parents get education for their children in some way suitable to themselves. (Would NEVER work b/c American parents would have to DO something. We probably have what we deserve.)
Revive “the militia of the several states.”
https://newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin16.htm
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I don’t think that an outfit that has gone totally rogue like the FBI can be reformed…Some agents would still remember the good old days when they could bully the population at will..Shut it down and start over with extremely strict standards…It’s well known in the legal community that interacts with law enforcement that many cops think FBI means Federal Bureau of Incompetence, taking over investigations after the cops have done the work and claiming credit…
There is much to be said for shuttering the Famous But Incompetent given a long long history of abuse. Howie Carr’s run-in with Whitey Bulger and the FBI happened a good while ago and is a clear example of the FBI as a corrupt quasi-criminal outfit.
Keep up with the Progress, get with the times on the nomenclature. It’s now Fat Black Illiterates..
Z is spot on about what should happen but it will never happen. The blob sees the average American, White right of center variety, as the enemy. So, it is an occupation army by design. We will be told that making the FBI dress in suits and not act like an occupation army is fascist. Fascism seems like a good system. Plus, if you were fat but wanted to be a bad-assed military guy which, if you were paid the same, would you rather go after: violent street thugs, the cartel or a suburban woman? Would you rather spend countless… Read more »
The fbi has been killing mothers holding their babies in their arms since theclinton years.
Maybe add an IQ test as well. Why do I get the notion that all federal employees are on the left side of the Bell curve?
The accounting or computer science requirement was an IQ test. It was also a personality profile. Gonzo robo cop is not spending four years learning about financial statement analysis or polymorphism.
You could also have a law degree to qualify.
The accounting, law degrees and now comp sci degrees were required because the FBI mostly went after white collar crime and organized crime.
Not organized crime initially. Hoover was reluctant to go after them. Eventually the pressure became too much and he reluctantly established the “Top Hoodlum Program.” Rumor has it the mafia had the goods on him.
You’re right about the law degree — Nixon applied after earning his law degree from Duke.
A lot of them worked with the government during WW2. I think that is when the merger between intelligence and organized crime began.
In the present environment, such requirements would tend to disfavor DEI applicants, which is yet another reason why it’s a good idea.
Reform is impossible. And even if it were not, it is still not a good idea. Root and branch. This is our last chance. It’s a fight to the death.
I would add that the 7th floor of FBIHQ was infested with politically motivated ideologues who slavishly and eagerly did the bidding of the worst elements of the blob. In the grand old tradition of the firing squad, these traitors should meet their fate sans the cigarette and blindfold. That would send a message none will find ambiguous.
“a heavily armed gang of thugs who only care about pushing around the average citizen”
Boffo line. Zman’s essay leaves out the political rot at the very top. Like all careerists, the scum floating at the top are interested in protecting their pay, promotion and retirement, to the point of actively undermining the legitimate government of the republic.
I don’t think I am alone in thinking the FBI is the worst organization in the entire Blob.
Like Marines patrolling Afghanistan? Sorry, no. Marines patrolling Afghanistan had a much higher threshold for rules of engagement, every step was taken to limit civilian casualties, most often times at the detriment of mission. Most police don’t worry about offing civilians unless they’re part of the protected classes, then they will be very careful. Don’t want to end up being the next Chauvin. The FBI even less so, those thugs on the tac teams give 0 f**** about putting you and your dog down.
“When forty percent of the agency was used to go after the J6 people over the last four years, the agency is rotten to the core.”
Precisely the reason I’m in the “dissolve it” camp; why couldn’t the agency be disbanded with Federal Marshals picking up any slack? This nation is way too top heavy with law enforcement.
I don’t think there’s any getting around this as proof that the agency is heavily overstaffed. You can screech insurrection all you want, but that still doesn’t change the fact that they had this many agents readily available for going after grandma who walked through the open door into the capitol.
If you took a poll asking whether the FBI should be abolished, my guess is you wouldn’t get much more than 30% saying yes, and that’s being optimistic. This is at least 6-8 years after any honest and informed person should have been able to see that the Russia Hoax was a hoax. Which, if they cared at all, should have led them down a rabbit hole of how corrupt the agency is, were they not already aware. So the problem is a lot bigger than the FBI. It’s just a symptom. You could even say the majority is getting… Read more »
The question is wrong though, it should be “would you care if it was dissolved?”. The preference would for the status quo, but if it changed then the new status quo would be good too.
Pull back and nuke it from orbit; it’s the only way to make sure!
More seriously, I tend to agree with those commentators who find that the FBI is unreformable and should be abolished. It’s been misused since the days of J. Edgar Hoover.
I just got to thinking about all this paramilitary gear and where they stage it. Does every large city have the FBI’s paramilitary vehicles parked somewhere? The FBI typically works out of an office building. I would imagine their gear is housed in an industrial park somewhere?
It doesn’t seem like this stuff would get used a lot and I’m sure they have it on some kind of a replacement schedule, so more money flushed down the toilet. A trillion here, trillion there …
If the Chicago PD can have off-the books warehouses, the FBI most certainly can.
There’s a secret—”unmarked” at least—police armory in my neighborhood, at the official outer border of the city. Its design seems meant to give the impression that it’s some fire department thing, but the people going in and out are too fat for that (one hopes, while on fire).
When the local BLM/antifa deployment was nearby, burning down a mall etc. within sight of it, the place was more guarded than usual—but the big doors on the big building did not roll up. Whatever’s in there is reserved for us.
Where is Efrem Zimbalist Jr. when you need him?
Sucking J Edgar Hoover’s d**k?
You might want to start with your two year old – dress him/her like a small human instead of a rag bag, speak to them in standard English, take them to church, respect them so that they respect you. Somebody stays home to fix a sit-down dinner. No social media in bedrooms or school. Curfew. They might grow up to be adults instead of overstuffed couch potatoes with pockets full of neuroses.
Agreed, but I’d prefer if we don’t adopt the they/them convention from the deviants.
After the North Hollywood shootout, where two heavily armed bank robbers tried to shoot their way through a police cordon, every police department has been transformed into a paramilitary unit. It’s been a long time since I read or saw anything about the North Hollywood shoot-out so correct me if I’m wrong. It seems to me though that the lesson taken from that could be the exact opposite of the one that was taken. As I recall, the police did contain and take those guys down using nothing but standard issue side-arms. I don’t even think any police were killed… Read more »
The Miami shooting made the FBI change tactics and get larger caliber weapons. You’re correct about the NH shooting, and Police armed began themselves better after 9/11.
From what I know, those gung-ho militant FBI types are a minority, and the ones who get sent out on raids. The majority of them are from certain ethnic groups (nepotism) and DEI hires, most of who would be completely worthless in shootings.
Ugh! Typo. Police began arming themselves better with military equipment after 9/11.
The lesson from Miami should have been that the Feebs need more range time. Over 100 rounds at more or less point blank to get two unarmored guys who were outnumbered 4-1, as I recall. Disgraceful.
None should have received a commendation. They should have all been terminated with cause for incompetence.
LAPD ran into a local gunshop and grabbed a few long guns which they used in the shootout.
A good example of where a citizens milita would have been handy.
Indeed. Everybody should read this series by constitutional attorney and scholar Dr Edwin Vieira or watch his YT vids or both. Here is part I of an 8-part series:
https://newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin16.htm
In the North Hollywood case, the cops had to go to gun shop to get weapons that could take down the robbers. There were a lot of lessons that could have been drawn from the incident, but the one every agency drew was that they needed bigger guns.
One of the lessons the Left drew was that the government needs to take those weapons away from US citizens. Or the government agents need to be similarly armed.
“…but the one every agency drew was that they needed bigger guns.”
Right. The lesson they should have taken is that they need more range time. Don’t try to shoot through the body armor — shoot where it isn’t. They demand higher levels of marksmanship from us than they do from cops.
That was indeed the excuse the cops used to lobby for more toys, but the North Hollywood shootout was such a one-off event you can’t make generalizations from it. The criminals in the case were wearing body armor and were equipped with illegally-manufactured full-auto rifles. Cops armed with only duty pistols were ineffective against them. But those criminals could have been taken out by any deer or woodchuck hunter with a bolt-action rifle firing from a position of cover. There’s simply no need for all that tactical shit and the armored vehicles and all of that nonsense. But cops get… Read more »
The Symbionese Liberation Army shootout in 74 LA was what started the adoption of SWAT. Cops had only 38s and shotguns I believe and were engaged with a fanatic gang of mostly vibrants. Patty Hearst might have been there but several escaped from a tunnel from the crawl space.
During the north Hollywood shootout the police actually went to a gun shop & borrowed AR15s because they were so out gunned & the suspects were wearing armor that rendered their standard issue weapons pretty much worthless. In the the aftermath of the Dade County shootout they stopped using revolvers & for a time swore off 9mm before eventually going back to it later on. A 9mm went through a suspects arm into his chest cavity & stopped just before his heart. It was a fatal wound but not immediately incapacitating so as a result they decided it was too… Read more »
No. No. And no! See my post upthread about reviving “the militia of the several states”:
https://newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin16.htm
I remember the Dade County shootout much better than the North Hollywood affair. The FBI was at a disadvantage in Dade County because (1) the 9mm Parabellum pistols and .38 Special revolvers were unable to stop the principal assailant, despite repeated hits: and (2) the FBI had only pistols and shotguns, so the vehicles that the assailants were in provided reasonably good protection. The FBI briefly went to a 10mm pistol, but had problems with it, and have now gone back to the 9mm Parabellum, albeit with improved ammunition. In police departments equipped with rifles, the default option is some… Read more »
Lever actions are way more expensive, have way less ammo capacity, take way & are more difficult longer to load & are delicate & prone to all sorts of problems. They’re also much more difficult to service, much heavier, more difficult to use in general. Worst of all they’re way less modular & customizable than the AR15. They’re also designed to use rimmed cartridges which are pistol rouns which have way less effective range than the 5.56 or expensive niche calibers. That’s why neither the military nor law enforcement have ever adopted lever actions. Also, I disagree about former military… Read more »
The 10mm worked fine, but it’s a stout man stopper, little DEI hire females couldn’t handle shooting it, so back down they went to 9mm. Same reason most cop shops went away from the .40S&W. too stout for the 5’nothing chickie cops. The FBI Miami shootout is total incompetence by the FBI. One car never got into it cuz they were busy banging cop bunnies. Another agent tailing the bank robbers put his gun on the seat next to him so he could get it. When he rammed the car, the pistol of course slid off the seat and he… Read more »
I thought 10mm was a fictional caliber from the Fallout series.
I’m pretty sure at least 2 of the FEEBs were running 357 Magnums…
An AR/M4 variant is a far better choice than a lever gun. But the left-wing Karens are always shrieking “Weapons of war don’t belong on our streets!”
By that “logic,” any state that has an “assault weapons ban” should also ban the cops from having them…
The north hollywood cops had to go to a local sporting good store and borrow some long guns IIRC. (as all they had was sidearms and shotguns).
A shotgun IS a long gun. 12 gauge rifled slugs are quite potent, particularly at close range. Anyone who knows how to use a shotgun, can be quite deadly in a fight.
One of the bank robbers in the North Hollywood shootout shot himself in the head after being struck by a pistol round and the second was killed by rifle fire when shot from underneath the car and left to bleed to death as the police were allegedly searching from a ‘third gunman’ who did not actually exist.
The suspicion at the time is that the cops intentionally let the guy bleed out. I believe the perps mother sued the police over the incident but I don’t know how that turned out.
Police forces also get Israeli-style training, sometimes by actual Israelis. So the civilian population gets the Palestinian treatment.
OT: is it just me or is Musk et als the antithesis of Rand’s Atlas Shrugged? I think i know who Howard Roark is…
It’s been funny to watch men make the comparison. (You know, funny.) It takes a shocking feat of psychotic will to make oneself see in Musk a world-historic super-alpha romance novel protagonist instead of an unusually repulsive dork throwing “autistic” (retarded) tantrums and taking wholly false credit for others’ work (or nobody’s, because it was never done). I’d prefer to be wrong about this, since he’s /ourleader/ now, so, a challenge: There’s a great corpus of Elon poasting out there on the tubes. He gets fucked up and flips out on the internet a lot. Compiled this work would rival… Read more »
I dunno, he seemed pretty normal when he was in the Oval Office with his son the other day.
They just fixed the woke naming error, and returned Braxton Bragg’s name to the fort that is the HQ of the 82nd Airborne. Now might be a good idea to remove the “Hoover” from that building. Go back to the beginning: as in the case of Roy Cohn, currently residing in hades, one glance at the physiognomy of J. Edgar should be a enough. Before you know about the degenerate acts, allegedly caught on camera by Jewish gangster Meyer Lansky. A ratlike visage, just as his ‘second in command’ sodomy housemate, Clyde Tolson, is effeminate. At first glance. Even in… Read more »
I did upvote, based on part of that, but there’s a reason physiognomy is a discredited idea. The handful of images where Lansky’s teeth show in a smile, he’s not all that different than Dean Martin or Frank Sinatra.
You make my point.
Physiognomy is actually true – to an extent. Or do you think that Down’s Syndrome is merely a cosmetic condition? You may be thinking of phrenology? A bit more light-hearted take is from Nietzsche: The anthropologists among the criminologists tell us that the typical criminal is ugly: monstrum in fronte, monstrum in animo. But the criminal is a decadent. Was Socrates a typical criminal? At least that would not be contradicted by the famous judgment of the physiognomist which sounded so offensive to the friends of Socrates. A foreigner who knew about faces once passed through Athens and told Socrates to… Read more »
I thought it was Braxton Bragg too but it was some other dude that was a PFC at the Battle of the Bulge. Yep – and that right there is why I continue to drink heavily.
PFC Roland L. Bragg is a White guy from Maine who won a Silver Star and Purple Heart in the Battle of the Bulge. He stole a German ambulance and drove his wounded buddy to a hospital, saving his buddy’s life. He had previously been considered as the fort’s namesake:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_L._Bragg
This is a decent move on Hegseth’s part. Going back to Braxton would’ve given the Left an easy rallying point and would’ve guaranteed another name change when the Left retakes the WH.
Not disagreeing… but yes and no, Z.(Greetings, fellow white nationalists and dissidents!) 🙂 As far as the militarization goes – sorry. If you are going up against cartels, organized crime, terrorists or even a fortified crack lab – those guys have the hardware. That is not a job for a G Man with a 38 snub nosed revolver. Times have changed, and the bad guys have too. You can argue whether or not those kinds of tactical scenarios fall into their mission scope and make an argument. But whoever ends up going up against those guys needs the same equipment… Read more »
That happens only on television. The FBI does not go up against cartels or organized crime. As far as terrorists or fortified crack labs, they can rely on local police for these things.
It’s conspicuously absent on TV for a reason. When it happens for real, it often gets squashed because the perps are the wrong color, or a member of the Blob might attract attention, or the killer was a jew or a troon. And a lot of it is psychological tactics too. If I kick down your door dressed in a muted 3 piece suit and my .38, you might well be tempted to take your chances with me. If five guys in black body armour, riot shields and MP5’s burst in… you are much more likely to put your hands… Read more »
there was an incident where a couple of fbi guys were outgunned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout#:~:text=Two%20Special%20Agents%20died%20from,studied%20in%20law%20enforcement%20training.
Read your own link. They were not outgunned, except arguably for the semi-auto 5.56. FEEBs outnumbered them 8-2, at point blank. The bad guys had 12 pistol rounds between them. The FBI had 45 rounds of just 9mm, and there was at least one spare mag used. The good guys also had 12 rounds in 357 magnum, and they had two 12 gauge shotguns. The bad guys fired one round of #6 bird, the good guys, 6 rounds of 00 buck.
They lied about being outgunned. Of course they did.
Interestingly both bad guys had been MPs…
Agree mostly.
The problem is FAR greater than simply our elected officials or corrupt judiciary. The ROOT of the problem is universal suffrage. When *everybody* can vote, then *everything* necessarily becomes political, and civil society is cast aside in favor of political society, which in turn *necessitates* the outright *purchase* of bloc votes. Then, “the personal is political.” A straight-as-an-arrow line runs directly from universal suffrage to where we are today. And an equally straight lime runs from the now-discredited ideals of the so-called “Enlightenment” to universal suffrage. One of the shrewdest observers of America ever to write down his observations was… Read more »
“They simply stopped caring about their core function and stopped caring about their own standards.”
Many Would argue that their core initial function under J. Edgar Hoover was, in fact, gathering intelligence for political blackmail and power. I don’t think they’ve gone too far off those rails.
Another first class piece of writing. Anyone who can bring Chesterton ,Erasmus & Quintillian into an article about reforming the FBI is to be applauded. Hopefully it’s wage bill will be reduced somewhat soon.
Break it up. Fire all the agents. Reconstitute something for white-collar crime only, including against white collar criminals operating out of Nigeria, India, Philipines, etc. If lone eagles on the internet can penetrate these rings (and they are already doing this successfully), then a federal agency should be able to do the same but with muscle.
Even as a critic of the FBI, it’s not like they don’t do any good work. They do a lot of the investigation and prosecution of the kiddie stuff for example. They bring expertise to local PDs that don’t have the expertise. They make their labs available to local PDs for testing of evidence and other areas of expertise. There is even cooperation between American and Canadian cops and labs. Canada has equipment for getting fingerprints off of smooth plastic surfaces, like trash bags which America does not have. How the FBI can be reformed I have no clue. They… Read more »
Then, they hand you 50 pages of writing and make you sign it How do they make you sign it? By threats I imagine. Out of the blue someone once told me this story how they had cold-bloodedly murdered someone. I guess they thought I would be sympathetic because of my background because I hadn’t given them any other reason to think that I would condone such a thing. I won’t go into the details but I will say that if true it would have been adjudicated as a Federal crime. This was back in the 1970s but the crime… Read more »
The same way they get people to talk to them right after saying “everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law ……. and you have the right to STFU” Nobody ShutsTFU. Maybe 1 in 40 people takes the advice and just says “I need a lawyer, I have no statements to make at this time” It is truly amazing how many people just cannot keep their big traps shut. Many of them have been through the system multiple times and have had their statements used against them. They’ve had lawyers tell them never… Read more »
People do get convicted of crimes they didn’t commit. If you have any reason at all to think you may become a potential suspect, you should proceed with extreme caution when talking to the police. This will be long before they read you your Miranda rights.
Yes, they do. Usually it’s because they spoke to the police. If you are detained and they want to ask specific questions, they will almost always mirandize you right on the spot. Really, you should not talk to the police under any circumstances. JonBenét Ramsey’s parents called the police then their lawyer and it is the only reason they didn’t die in prison for the murder of their own child. It took years and years to officially clear them. This is the single worst and most stressful hour of your life. Nothing will ever compare (your child has been kidnapped… Read more »
“Fire all the agents.”
Incarcerate all the J6 agents and any that aided and abetted them.
I’m more in favor of giving them a speedy trial and a slow execution.
Reminds me of this little gem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb1MVFDy_tw
I do believe that if someone had a pistol pointed at me I would get on the ground ASAP. Apparently, the ATF thinks differently.
The poor man has bad knees and a bad back! Probably experienced emotional trauma from the loud yelling that those evil officers directed at him too.
I thought that back in the old days, FBI agents had to have law degrees. Or maybe that was just a mythology created to make them seem legit.
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I was living in the Bay Area (early 70’s) when the Zebra Killer was runnin’ loose. I had moved across the Bridge from Sausalito into the City. I hadn’t been in my new digs a week when early one evening I answered an unexpected knock on my door and opened it to face an FBI badge held front & center by a man in a well-tailored suit. I took his point immediately before he said a word. He went ahead and explained they were checking all the new residents in the area, looking for the so-called Zebra Killer who turned… Read more »