Prudentialism

One of the many interesting aspects of the Trump era has been the collapse of what was called conservatism in America and the rise of a new coalition to replace it as the dominant force in the Republican Party. Most pundits have been happy to call it Trumpism or MAGA, as they hope it is temporary. Others have tried to jam it into the populist bucket, despite the fact it is not a populist movement. Beyond these superficial attempts at labeling, not much has been said about it.

Not everyone in the coalition is thrilled by what they are seeing. Many older conservatives, the paleo variety, are happy to see Conservative Inc. head off to bankruptcy, but they are a bit uncomfortable sharing a pew with people like Robert Kennedy Jr. or Tulsi Gabbard. They wince when Tucker Carlson gets along with old school lefties like Jimmy Dore or Aaron Maté. They spent their lives on the opposite side of these people and now they share the same movement.

In fairness, it is even more difficult for the old school lefties, because for them, politics defines their life. That means they are now faced with supporting that which they were sure was evil until not so long ago. It also means their conception of evil may have been wrong, which means their conception of themselves was wrong. This is why it is difficult for an ideologue to adjust to new evidence. Unlike the non-ideologue, such adjustment requires a reexamination of their soul.

That aside, the issue everyone is struggling with is that our political buckets, like so much of the past, have been a fiction. The left-right framing was never two groups opposing one another, but two groups negotiating with one another. It was Team Fast versus Team Slower, both agreeing on the destination. The “conservatives” were never interested in conserving anything but their sinecures, while the liberals were hellbent on sweeping liberalism into the dustbin of history.

For as long as anyone has been alive, the consensus in American politics has been the radicalism at the heart of progressivism. Egalitarianism, universalism, and the blank slate are the three legs of this ideological stool. What motivates and justifies using this stool to smash up American society and go abroad to smash up other cultures is the intense belief that they are commanded by history or history’s God to impose this ideology on the people of the world.

This is how we arrived at this odd time where John Derbyshire and Paul Gottfried share a pew with RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard. The excesses of progressivism, unconstrained by the necessity of the Cold War, have put everything at risk, thus calling forth an old force that has been dormant since Gettysburg. That force is prudentialism. The thing that lies at the heart of Western conservatism is a set of precautionary principles that act to avoid unknowable negative consequences.

If you listen to what RFK Jr. says about medicine, for example, it generally boils down to restoring prudence to the field. The drug makers operate on the assumption that they must rush everything to the market, which often causes new harms while having little impact on the thing they are trying to mitigate. The Covid vaccine is a great example of the recklessness of medicine. Even a little bit of prudence would have avoided this easily avoidable error.

Similarly, Tulsi Gabbard’s main reason to exist is her skepticism of the military industrial complex and the foreign policy community. For the last thirty years, we have staggered from one ill-conceived conflict to the next, never stopping to ponder if what we are doing will have negative consequences down the road. No one seems to be able to think beyond the first move. The main thrust of Gabbard’s critique is that a tiny bit of prudence could have prevented many of these debacles.

The reason these two are attracted to Trump’s movement is that fundamentally, Trump is the great champion of prudence. He would rather not spend money than spend it, not because he is cheap, but because he knows that spending it has consequences and unless you put those consequences in the balance, you are recklessly spending money and that is not prudent. Trump’s foreign policy is motivated by a desire to not create new problems which will lead to new conflicts.

If Team Slower had not abused the word “conservative” for so long, what we are seeing could be easily labeled “conservatism.” Decades of verbicide have left us with a poverty of language to describe what we are seeing. It is why Trump never uses the old labels when talking about politics. He did not call the people running USAID “leftists” or even “radicals” but instead called them “lunatics.” In the current context, it is both the appropriate word and the accurate one.

Even so, Trumpism is the return of prudence to our politics, and it is the necessary precursor for the return of a genuine American conservatism. To paraphrase Michael Oakeshott, “Trumpism is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss.”

The boys and girls in conservative sinecures are hostile to Trumpism because it casts light on their project, revealing it to be nothing more than the sidecar to the radicalism they claimed to oppose. For the neocons, Trumpism is a mirror, revealing their lack of a soul and exposing the vampirism that animates them. For others, it is an uncomfortable calling home of the prudent into a disposition that has defined their lives but never defined their politics.

For lack of a better way of stating it, what we are seeing is the forming up of a new prudentialism, that in the fullness of time may be able to rehabilitate the term “conservative” but for now must settle for Trumpism or MAGA. It is not running around trainyards yelling stop. It is a great rolling back of the progressive project, not driven by superficial romanticism, but by prudent necessity. To make America great again, we must sweep away progressivism and its reckless implementations.


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Captain Willard
Captain Willard
2 hours ago

When Dick Cheyney said “We (USA) create our own reality”, it was really no different from some Prog calling a man in a sundress a woman. Both accept no limits (classic hubris) and are fundamentally reckless. So it’s a Cloud-Dirt dialectic in another form. As some clever guy said “You can ignore Reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring Reality”. If Prudence is anything, it’s about accepting Reality.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 hours ago

And Reality doesn’t go away even when you stop believing in it. One of the best lines ever. Thanks Zman.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 hours ago

I think it was Karl Rove who said that. But it was probably because he heard somebody like Cheney say it.

Ivan
Ivan
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
2 hours ago

Rove is a shrubite opportunist like Clitonista Carville without the irritating accent. Ayn Rand said the thing about reality, ignoring it and the consequences thereof, not rove.

Arthur Metcalf
Arthur Metcalf
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
2 hours ago

It was Rove, but the reporter almost certainly massaged it to make it sound minatory. I’ve watched Rove talk for 25 years, and he doesn’t have that kind of cadence, vocabulary, nor depth of thought. He’s a campaign nuts and bolts guy with limited education, not Alexander Kojeve.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 hour ago

Thanks for the check Jeffrey…my memory is getting hazy.

Arthur Metcalf
Arthur Metcalf
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 hour ago

Keep in mind that Rove has denied saying it, and the reporter who says he did is, well, a reporter, and one of the worst. I don’t know how you guys can listen to a nitwit like Rove for decades and think he’s capable of articulating a thought like that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community Edit: I mean, seriously — after the past 10 years and the past 10 days in Washington, there is no reason to believe any of these reporters any longer. Do you really think Karl Rove — Karl Rove! — said the following: “…solutions emerge from your judicious study of… Read more »

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TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 hour ago

I’ve often wondered if the ascendancy of the techno class is what is warping our reality. You can code a computer to do whatever you want it to do. To a lesser extent, the legal community can also fashion their own reality. I wonder if working in that kind of an environment has warped the reality of the powers of be. I wonder sometimes if they think they can restructure the world and the immutable laws of nature and physics with a couple of documents and a stroke of a pen, like lawyers do when they create a non-profit that… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  TempoNick
1 hour ago

or video games that let you re-spawn your character if it is killed

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  TempoNick
1 hour ago

Coding, arguing— words and ideas. Idealism. Declaring reality. Let there be light.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  TempoNick
1 hour ago

I have long been contemplating same: our “thought leaders” (!) are almost contemptuous of gravity, and have been for some time now. Most of these are Silly People Who Revel in Being Smart-Aleks, but there exists a “hardcore”, for whom this an occult (i.e., Gnostic) wonderment.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  TempoNick
1 hour ago

It’s funny Nick. The “Techno Class” stuff started firmly rooted in reality: Taylor time/motion studies, Ford’s assembly lines, Sloan’s organization methods, GNP accounting (Kuznets; yes, it gets misused but the intent was scientific), Six Sigma (recycled from Japanese Kaizen) etc. But at some point (maybe McNamara in Vietnam), it just became easier to make up the numbers and superimpose a political Narrative.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 hour ago

Affluence and abundance prepared the ground for living with delusion. The earlier innovations were at a time without a social safety net. Once the welfare state was in place and the peasants warm and fed and harmless, lying became the default since there would be no consequences for it. I think McNamara makes a good marker.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 hour ago

Bush/Cheney most likely will be the last persons of that particular brand ever to occupy the White House. At the conclusion of Trump’s term it will have been twenty years since that cancer had a host.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Jack Dobson
33 minutes ago

Crippling USAID will have a lot to do with that. I had no idea these people pushing neocon ideas into the system work being funded by the US government. Crazy me, I thought it was Jewish billionaires funding it. However, as a friend of mine says, billionaires are the biggest welfare queens in this country. So, it figures that they would find a way to advance their prerogatives on our dime.

RealityRules
RealityRules
2 hours ago

I respectfully and fundamentally disagree with this essay. To conserve is to preserve or save something. What is being preserved or conserved? They, we hope, are smashing something – destroying it. Well, they better be smashing and destroying it. Of course, at the same time they must be building something and something better. Conservation has nothing to do with any of this. The most critical part of the project is the reconstitution of the entire reason for any of this – the people and their well being. The entire thing hinges on mass deportation and restoration, not conservation, of the… Read more »

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  RealityRules
2 hours ago

I will be interested in how your Orange Man deals with the lawfare and rogue activist-judges. A few have raised their ugly heads… and so far I haven’t heard of any resolutions about them…

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Filthie
2 hours ago

You know what would put a stop to all of this monkey business? Defunding the judges that engage in this monkey business. Not all of them, just the activists.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
1 hour ago

Think so, Nick?

Dont get me wrong – I love what Trump, Elon and Big Balls are doing… (wish someone would do it here in Canada)… but, dammit…these guys gotta be PUNISHED. People have to see the system actually work.

It’s like a rattler in the back yard where the children play. You don’t put a bucket over the snake to isolate it and hopefully contain it… you kill the snake.

Theres a lot of people walking around Washington breathing freely – that shouldn’t…

Arthur Metcalf
Arthur Metcalf
Reply to  Filthie
1 hour ago

That is Trump’s biggest test. I continue to believe he won’t cross the Rubicon and jail a judge. But if he doesn’t, there are over a hundred US district judges lined up to run his presidency for him. He should be able to see this now. History may have given us an opportunity, but the man who brought it about has a fatal flaw, which is his age and worldview. To do what is necessary would involve changing something deep about him as a showman and a businessman, and I don’t think he has the will to throw the old… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
1 hour ago

I reject that it even amounts to crossing the Rubicon. Even more than the prosecutions, clawing back the money is something that would be expected, but, yes, it is viewed now as revolutionary, which is telling.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
38 minutes ago

Yesterday Trump said he would obey the judicial TROs that are attempting to stymie his efforts. If he is serious about that, it is probably the end of significant reform. It will almost certainly take two years, at least, for these issues to reach the Supreme Court in definitive fashion, and in any event he should not be confident in the votes of Roberts and Amy Two-Names (maybe not even Kavanaugh). In the meantime, the gears of leviathan will grind on. Prudence is all well and good, but wisdom is knowing when it’s time to go to the guns (metaphorically… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
28 minutes ago

Is it ever necessary to “jail” a judge? Or is the key here to restore the original understanding of the judiciary as the organ of *opinion* and the executive as the organ of *enforcement*. I do admit however, there needs to be some oversight in which to replace judges whose “expiration date” has been reached. To this effect, lifetime appointments need to be eliminated in favor of term limits. This should restore a balance and churn the judiciary in order to meet societal changes—but not the immediate passions of the “mob”.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Filthie
1 hour ago

I will be interested in how your Orange Man deals with the lawfare and rogue activist-judges

It’s really quite simple. Step one is to trace out the implications of a rigged 2020 election. Since fraud vitiates whatever is dependent upon fraud, it follows immediately that Biden was a fake president, a mere imposter. Therefore Donald J. Trump is the 46th president of the USA, not the 47th as simpletons believe. It follows from this that every judge installed while the Biden cabal occupied the WH is illegitimate. And that’s not all.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ride-By Shooter
16 minutes ago

Not a bad idea. Prove the 2020 election was actually a coup d’etat, vacate that election and every act Biden undertook.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Filthie
1 hour ago

Time for The Culling of the Kritarchs?

These are not hard men – in fact, many of them are gals! – and will besmirch their britches if leaned upon…

Ivan
Ivan
Reply to  RealityRules
2 hours ago

The project must then extend to the fabric of society to include, among others, catholic and Lutheran services that brought somalis, Haitians and the other diversity to majority white populated areas like maine, minnesota, north dakota, etc. The project must also extend to the role state, county, city, school board, etc has played in the malfeasance.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ivan
13 minutes ago

What that means is elucidating the fact that white people have been their own worst enemies.

Race treason must have dire consequences for the traitors, far worse than the consequences their policies had on the hapless, innocent whites outside their ambit.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  RealityRules
1 hour ago

Excellent comment. Musk showing the corrupt, dark underbelly of the beast has been an amazing moment. He and Trump at best are preserving our people in the currently deracinated state. Our goal has to be restoration.

Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 hour ago

Most importantly, Musk is showing the President that his old CivNat faith in the institutions of government is not only wrong, but dangerous. Confronting Trump with proof of the rotten corpse at the heart of his idealized America will shock him and push him to more radical solutions than he imagined were necessary. Destroying Trump’s illusions even beyond what they were when he was nearly killed last summer is vital to turning him into a revolutionary historic figure. Having Joe Dirt and a solid group of loyalist advisers amplifying that message and pushing Trump to action, not empty bluster will… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Pickle Rick
1 hour ago

Trump has transitioned to a revolutionary figure even now. He’s overseeing the attempted destruction of the Administrative State whether he realizes it or not. And I have started to think he fully comprehends he is not reanimating a corpse that died a deserved death long ago. Whether he succeeds is another matter, but I have started to think he may. This was supposed to be a Thermidorian Reaction and has blown well past that mission. Let’s hope he gets the military fully under control ASAP because it is still in the grips of ideologues and thieves capable of a full-blown,… Read more »

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dobson
23 minutes ago

Trump more or less is Lenin at this point even if he wanted to be Stalin.”

Very astute observation. It seems—putting the card before the horse here—the man who follows Trump will determine all that Trump may accomplish.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
9 minutes ago

He has already started moving, if only symbolically, against the military. Hence, he has forbade the celebration of ethnic and racial “months” in the military. If nothing else, Trump’s heart is assuredly in the right place.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  RealityRules
19 minutes ago

You’re certainly right about one thing–there is very little in contemporary AINO worth conserving. Therefore, literal conservatism would not only be otiose, it would be pernicious. What is required is destructive reaction and reconstruction.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
2 hours ago

Virtually no one in human history, before the 20th century, believed any of the propositions put forth by the “progressives”…e.g.Egalitarianism is disproven every day everywhere, and ditto the notion that women can perform men’s tasks as well as men, and vice versa, etc…Lenin pushed them as a way of undermining established society, but cracked down on feminism when he attained power… The reality is that most politicians don’t have an ideology, they are just grifters, stealing vast amounts of government money for themselves and their followers..What’s being uncovered by DOGE is that the theft of government money is in the… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  pyrrhus
2 hours ago

Yes, politicians are grifters, but they do subscribe to universalist egalitarian ideology. It’s the ruling principle. Stray from it and be destroyed. Steve King is an example.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
2 hours ago

“The Covid vaccine is a great example of the recklessness of medicine. Even a little bit of prudence would have avoided this easily avoidable error.” You’re being way too charitable. This was deliberate criminal behavior, as is so much else in US big business. Likewise for the military-industrial complex, whose dynamic seems to shape foreign policy. But returning to pharma, drugs are often rushed to market based on flawed and rigged testing. Call it recklessness if you will but I say the bosses are aware that there may well be detrimental side effects (assuming the drug even does anything to… Read more »

Phineas McSneed
Phineas McSneed
Reply to  Arshad Ali
1 hour ago

I disagree with the statement for a different reason. They couldn’t exercise prudence in rolling out the vax because the reason for doing it so quickly had nothing to do with vaccinating people. The purpose was to serve as an off-ramp for lockdowns and masking. They scared everyone so hard and so many independent agents became true believers in the ‘deadly pandemic’ narrative that it was all runaway positive feedback loops. Pretending like the vax was a miracle was the only way they could stop the narrative-driven monster they created.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Arshad Ali
1 hour ago

I agree. The vaxx is definitely something that should be attributed to malice. Worse, malice at many levels, including the lowest level – the doctors getting paid based on vaxxing volume. Selling their trusting patients for a few shekels.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Hun
12 minutes ago

The salient point here, I believe, is that doctors have been shown to be human—not gods—and our heretofore faith in them misguided. The majority of physicians, albeit licensed to prescribe and treat, were little better than the average patient to understand contagious disease. This is why I’ve termed them technicians rather than “scientists”. Too many decades of TV medical shows created their god-like persona. Covid scamdemic destroyed such. That’s why JFK jr is needed to restore/reaffirm balance.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Arshad Ali
17 minutes ago

What made it implacable and inexorable is that it was not a public health response. What it was, was a military response on a deadman switch. That switch, that built-in set of responses, was a corollary to a nuclear deadman switch. Once tripped, a whole bunch of other pre-programmed switches started tripping in a perfectly inhumane bureaucratic procedure. What used to be a minor concern of government, “public health”, has now become a ‘matter of national security’: “bioterrorism”. Regardless of the origin, by animals or by enemy, the same preset responses were poised. Thanks to international security arrangements, those responses… Read more »

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Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
2 hours ago

In terms of a voting base, who the pundits call Trumpists or maga are basically the same people who supported Goldwater, and they haven’t changed since that time, aside from some dying and some being born. But still essentially the same group of people. Who were later called the Tea Party. And are now called MAGA. And along the way were deceived by some pols who claimed or pretended to be “conservative.” But remaining the same bloc. At its core, it is nothing new. What is new is successfully electing a president who actually makes what appears to be a… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
2 hours ago

It’s as Z referenced though: Trumpism is a placeholder for what comes afterwards.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
2 hours ago

You forgot the Reagan voter who essentially has the same dna.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
47 minutes ago

Neither Republican nor Democrat, MAGA is an authentic third party.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
2 hours ago

there is an engineering maxim that illustrates the thesis of this post:

test, don’t guess

so much of modern life is predicated on “guessing”. all the net zero stuff in europe is a perfect example. they have destroyed their economies based on unproven *opinions*. over and over i see statements that are pure speculation presented with certitude, whether it’s in the field of medicine, immigration, etc.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 hours ago

Same goes for all the DIE junk.

There is literally zero supporting data. All they do is keep repeating the chants.

Mycale
Mycale
2 hours ago

If progressivism means that 94% of job hires are DEI, and a mass censorship regime is put into place to stop people from talking about things Democrats don’t like, and perverts like Sam Brinton are in charge, and the green new deal is passed under the guise of “inflation reduction”, and transgenders are showing off their fake breasts on the White House lawn, then I don’t want it, and I suspect most Americans don’t either. The “Biden” administration was brutal and basically made Trump’s actions now a necessity.

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ray
ray
1 hour ago

Prudence, yes. ‘the intense belief that they are commanded by history or history’s God to impose this ideology on the people of the world’ They are holy apostles, caretakers, guardians of the Prog Precepts constituting their religion, typically since youth — Glory Years for the Booms and Xers that they thirst to re-live. They lack the inner fortitude to change spiritually and politically as they mature physically. ‘In fairness, it is even more difficult for the old school lefties, because for them, politics defines their life’ Yep. They replace God with their own wills, essentially. I knew these folks in… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  ray
1 hour ago

Truth is no impediment at all for them, to the degree they think it exists or matters. In the American context, this weird strain of progressivism has been with it since its start. The grotesque and massive theft now exposed also always was there.

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dobson
6 minutes ago

This brings to mind a sage insight from Z-man some time ago. Something to the effect that all political struggle we discuss boils down to “getting rid of the crazies” among us. I have yet to observe anything to contradict that insight. As has been said, “…all the rest is commentary…”.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  ray
28 minutes ago

They [progs] replace God with their own wills, essentially Notice what they have in common with you. They have retained your great faith in the primacy of willpower over the law and order of existence. Like you they are also egoists. Both you and the progs belong to a school of crude, barbarous primitivism. Your quarrel with them is about in whom the power resides, not about whether not egoism and willpowerism are wrong. their spirit is luciferian, opposing the Christian ideal where Christ personifies Truth  Jesus failed to satisfy important requirements expected of Israel’s maschiach. After the national narcissist… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
2 hours ago

Judge Nap, ultimate libertarian and boomer, is having a fit over recent events by the executive.

“He can just have Congress pass bills to change all this.

Embarassing. Deluded.

george 1
george 1
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 hours ago

The good Judge is a proponent of the U.S. Constitution. Most of us are in favor of the concepts. He is correct on some of his pronouncements concerning the U.S. Government and this administration. He fails to understand that the system is completely broken and utterly out of control.

A revolution must occur to right the ship. Trump is trying to lead a peaceful revolution. I hope is is able to pull it off.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  george 1
2 hours ago

The ol’ bugger is having a meltdown over what is going on with the Gaza Strip right now… and I can’t say I blame him. Macgregor is chitting his pants with rage too.
Those two guys make a lot of sense sometimes…

george 1
george 1
Reply to  Filthie
1 hour ago

Oh yes. Both of them have the correct picture of Gaza. They know mass murder when they see it.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  george 1
5 minutes ago

Judge Nap overall does a good job but you are right he thinks in terms of libertarianism.
However Trump by being Netanyahoo’s BFF may be stepping in a pile of Dung with the Gaza project that could take his presidency down.
The good judge is right about that.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 hours ago

Judge Nap really said that? I agree that executive orders which aren’t limited to the Executive branch of government aren’t Constitutional, but within that branch, they are totally legit….

Arthur Metcalf
Arthur Metcalf
Reply to  pyrrhus
1 hour ago

I like Judge Nap. Unfortunately, this issue has touched an old nerve in him, which he should let die, which is the battle over the executive versus legislative branches in the US. I’m guessing this goes back to GW Bush and bad feelings from those years for both of them over the “unitary executive” theory pushed by Addington, Yoo, and others. That’s a nice debate to have during certain historical eras when the document over which you’re arguing is still regnant. As it no longer is, it’s a bit like watching old men argue over an instruction manual for a… Read more »

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 hours ago

I like it when he squeals. Squeal like a pig, boy!

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 hour ago

Nap is a pervert and a clown. What he presents as reason and analysis always is a pretext for getting some fresh boy meat in some convoluted manner. The scariest thing is to think he actually believes law and the U.S. Constitution are a thing at this point (he’s too smart to believe it, so see the first full sentence).

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 minute ago

The “good judge” is *not* deluded. He simply has an opinion of the events that differ. One can watch his channel without much problem even on this side of the divide. I advise one do. My retort to the above criticism is that Trump knows exactly what he is doing. EO’s are designed to push the process into the courts as quickly as possible. Congress simply cannot, or will not, act in the timeframe needed to effect change. Trump has been there once before, and was burned.

ArthurinCali
1 hour ago

One of the greatest things to happen by Trump entering politics was how it revealed so many figures on the faux-Right. Pretenders outing themselves across the board as merely playing their roles on the stage of Conservative Inc. For many, this was an epiphany moment realizing a lot of these folks were charlatans selling a version of Conservative Coca-Cola and didn’t want anything to actually get better or change.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  ArthurinCali
1 hour ago

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Arthur Metcalf
Arthur Metcalf
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 hour ago

I disagree. He actually believed that he was politically viable as a Supreme Court nominee during Trump’s first term, and was pissed that he never made any of the lists. He didn’t expect to be named, but he wanted to be included in the pantheon for posterity. He certainly would be a great SC judge, but your comment is about him being “too smart to believe” something, and I have good reason to believe that no, sometimes, Judge Nap is not as smart or in tune as he thinks. If he was smart and experienced in that world, he’d know… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
1 hour ago

“Smart” may have been incorrect. Substitute “naive.” And to the extent it even matters at this point, we need radical justices rather than people who think the Constitution can be ghost danced back to reality, as if that even would be a good thing. Nap would have been a terrible justice on that score alone.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
1 hour ago

European conservatism always meant “preservation.” America’s version is a meaningless checklist of things that do not even consider preservation to be necessarily a good thing; the term has become marketing for policies that are found on Column B of today’s menu; today’s Column A will be tomorrow’s Column B, to borrow from Dabney. In a sense, the non-ideological Trump may be America’s first conservative president save possibly Coolidge. So when we hiss “what is there left to conserve?” it is aimed more at him than to the shadow monkeys of Con, Inc., who seek not to preserve anything. This is… Read more »

Marko
Marko
2 hours ago

I think this is an excellent summation of the new political order. “Cloud People vs Dirt People”, “Anywheres vs Somewheres”, “Liberals vs Anti-Liberals” doesn’t quite work…but yes, it is Prudentialism (and skepticism) vs. those who either don’t question orthodoxy or are trying to exploit it.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
36 minutes ago

To be charitable, let us take some credit. “…the radicalism at the heart of progressivism.”

Yessir, you bet, since the beginning: in the New Lands, we gave every idea a full and fair trial, because the good old ways had problems of their own.

You have to at least give us that. We couldn’t always foresee the results because we hadn’t tried a lot of this stuff before. White people were always the world’s explorers.

I blame us for nothing but boldness (well, and a bit of gullibility, like listening to…)

Last edited 32 minutes ago by Alzaebo
RealityRules
RealityRules
1 hour ago

The Oligarchs are already showing cracks in their coalition: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/musk-led-consortium-bids-on-openai/ This is going to be wild. What is also interesting about this is the other lines that this division breaks down upon. One of those lines is a stake in the future. Altman, Robois, Karp, Harari … … are all pillow biting fudge packers. So is Thiel. Musk is a heterosexual advocate for eugenic natalism. Luckey is a typical Silicon Valley guy talking both sides of his mouth. This article is interesting and revealing. (https://www.tabletmag.com/feature/american-vulcan-palmer-luckey-anduril) He talks all about the essential well-being of one country that isn’t his and then… Read more »

Thomas Mcleod
Thomas Mcleod
1 hour ago

My old man calls MAGA the revenge of the John Birch Society. I don’t really know if he’s serious.

Vegetius
Vegetius
1 hour ago

Trump as the avatar of prudence? This should have been saved for 4/1.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Vegetius
1 hour ago

Politics is paradox.

Peter Piper
Peter Piper
3 minutes ago

Ten guys on a task: you have-a joker, a slacker, a whiner, a critic, the boss, the company spy/toady, the new kid, a token other, and 2 grimly efficient men who do all the work

Frank Zip
Frank Zip
5 minutes ago

And how exactly does prudence play into Open AI and Trump’s apparent acquiescence to Marc Andreessen, Peter Thiel, Zuckerberg, et al? Prudence is the last thing these tycoons of our wonderful futuristic world want while they build their god machines.

Ketchup-stained Griller
Ketchup-stained Griller
12 minutes ago

Ah Ah. Wouldn’t be prudent.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
15 minutes ago

I am not sure it was very prudent of Trump to tell the world that he was just going to ” take ” Gaza and plant the American empire there?
I see this as a possible fiasco on top of fiasco’s already created by GAE.
Not so sure Trump is going to represent prudence in the end? The jury is still out for me.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
16 minutes ago

Diehard support for Israel does not strike me as prudent.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
26 minutes ago

I would argue Leftism, since the second half of the 60s, didn’t become unhinged after the “necessities” of the Cold War fell into desuetude. It was always unhinged. However, with the defeat of global communism, conservatism–for what it was worth–lost its raison d’etre. Conservatives wept because they had no worlds left to conquer. They felt they had no purpose. And rather than honestly appraise the postmodern Left, recognize it for the evil it was, and combat it just as vigorously as they did the commies, they surreptitiously joined hands with the Leftists and dug their greasy hamfists into the massive… Read more »

Mike Tre
Mike Tre
53 minutes ago

Interesting that today’s Zman article speaks of prudence, while today’s Sailer article speaks of a list of wild fringe movements he associates with the right:

“One increasing possibility appears to be that newly self-confident right-wingers are getting into various kinds of New Age woo-woo, the occult, gnosticism, RFK Jr. junk science, paganism, Indian esotericism, Chinese numerology, health food fads, etc.”

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
53 minutes ago

In the 11th paragraph of this piece, Z compares desiring the “known”, instead of the “unknown”.

Hence prudence.

It reminds me of the scene in “Wall Street”, where Bud Fox asks Gordon Gecko why he has to break up his dads airline.

His reply; “Because it’s breakable!”

They do their insane actions because they can.

Last edited 52 minutes ago by Bartleby the Scrivner
Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
55 minutes ago

Alexander Vindman’s lies led to Trump’s first impeachment. He’s the epitome of how the neocons think now. He has a new book out in two weeks: “The Folly of Realism: How the West Deceived Itself About Russia and Betrayed Ukraine Hardcover.” Description: He “argues that America’s mistakes in Eastern Europe result from policymakers’ fixation on immediate, short-term problem-solving and misplaced hopes and fears. He proposes a new long-term, values-based approach that insists on the fundamentals of liberal democracy and a rules-based world order.”

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Jack Boniface
50 minutes ago

That guys head needs to be introduced to a 2×4.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Jack Boniface
47 minutes ago

Vinman and that ilk have become reactionaries and that type of nonsense is not coming back. Older British friends back in the day told me that there were people still thinking their empire would be restored as late as the Seventies. That’s sort of going on here.

trackback
2 hours ago

[…] ZMan juggles some labels. […]

Lavrov
Lavrov
2 hours ago

Robot history books will call it Zeemanism.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
52 minutes ago

To make America great again, we must sweep away progressivism and its reckless implementations. No one can sweep away progressivism and imprudence without repudiating two of the most important founding principles of the USA. These two are egalitarianism (announced in the DoI) and popular government (amplified greatly in the authority clause of the Con). Such repudiation would amount to repudiating the USA’s past, fast developing greatness, too, which is fine. That greatness was experienced on a road leading to extinction for the people in whose names the USA was imposed by Freemasonish fools. Devotion to that road has also nearly… Read more »

Tom K
Tom K
2 hours ago

There was that song by the Beatles, “Dear Prudence” by, you guessed it, John Lennon, who also wrote “Imagine.” It’s all buttercups and unicorn farts. Throw Prudence out the window it’s so fuddy-duddy.

Otto
Otto
Reply to  Tom K
1 hour ago

There’s a real story to that song which if you knew you would understand you have it exactly backwards. He’s singing to someone, “Prudence”, to come out into the real world.
Oops.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Otto
1 hour ago

Um yes, that. It’s John Lennon, lol. You’re missing the meta content. But in the end, it’s just a song so whatever.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Tom K