Did cavemen feel guilt? Shame? It may sound like a stupid and pointless question, but it is a place to start when trying to understand the current crisis. While we cannot know if primitive man felt things like shame, we can guess. In fact, that is the point of the Genesis story of Adam and Eve. Shame and guilt were not natural to men until introduced by devilish forces. At least that is what the authors of the Adam and Eve story surmised when trying to answer those questions.
To feel guilt one must have a guilty mind when committing some act, which means you knew the act was wrong when you did it. You can also feel guilt for having unknowingly broken a rule but learning after the fact that you broke the rule and should have known you were breaking the rule. Shame works the same way. It is impossible to feel guilt for having broken a rule if you never know about the rule or you reject the legitimacy of the rule or the authority that made the rule.
Our cavemen therefore could only feel guilt or shame if in their group there existed a set of normative rules from a recognized authority. Given the simplicity of their life and the demands of it, they probably had few rules on individual conduct. Those that did exist were most likely related to the preservation of the group. Males had to be good hunters and not avoid pulling their weight in the hunt. Members had to sacrifice themselves for the good of the group. That was about it for their morality.
To answer the question at the start, the sense of guilt and shame was probably as primitive as the moral code that existed within the group. Given that early bands of humans were surely based on blood, as in they were extended families, not propositional collections of strangers, things like guilt and shame arose from the biological loyal that lies at the heart of man. We abide by the rules of our kind because they are our family, and we have a natural loyalty to them.
This works fine in small groups, but once small groups started to band together to defend hunting grounds and defensible shelters, something more was needed to extend that natural sense of loyalty to the whole group. The trading of women, which we know was a part of early man’s existence, was one solution. This binds the groups by blood and therefore tapped into biological loyalty. The human sciences tell us that the formation of larger human groups was biological.
This works with a federation of kin groups, but once human settlements reached a large enough size, this was no longer practical, so something else arrived. The solution to the limits of blood was religion, specifically gods. Distantly related people may not feel a great loyalty to one another, but those protected by the same god can feel loyalty to one another in service to that god. Guilt and shame over breaking god’s rules works just as well as guilt and shame over harming the family.
A crude way of summarizing this is we went from, “We are the sons of Grog and this is how the sons of Grog live” to “We are the people who live by this portion of the river, and this is how we live.” The next logical step was, “We are the followers of sky god, and this is how we live.” This allows for the group to expand, as new members merely must accept sky god and be accepted by sky god. It harnesses guilt and shame in the service of a group whose size extends beyond blood.
While the mental state of early man is a bit of a guess for us, we do know that humans organized around their gods. This was the state of the ancient world, about which we know a great deal. While what led to this stage of human development is a bit of guesswork, we know that mankind arrived at this point. By the time there are fully formed gods, there are fully formed moral codes attached to them that define large groups of people with a sense of identity.
That does not solve the puzzle of this age. We know that folk religions eventually gave way to universal religions. About ninety percent of humans belong to a universal religion, which means their religion is open to everyone. You do not have to be born into Hinduism to be a Hindu. Only a tiny portion of humanity sticks with folk religions like Judaism which have a biological component. Everyone else is open to people outside the blood, as long as they accept the moral claims of the faith.
Of course, universalist religion did not end human conflict. In fact, they probably made it worse as the base assumption of universalist religion is that there is only one way to live because there is only one moral authority. Once you accept that your god is the only god, it means the other gods are false. Worse yet, those gods are an afront to your god and they must be eliminated. The way to do that is to conquer the people who are offering up the false god as a challenge to the true god.
The modern West has complicated this further by removing God entirely from the Christian moral framework and replacing him with a mirror called reason. It is reason that tells us that there must be one way of organizing society. It is reason that tells us there must be one moral code. Therefore, it is reason that tells us that alternative ways of organizing society must be false. The same is true for alternative morality, which like a false god, is an afront to reason.
If you think about it, this iteration of the Great Awakening has been little more than the believers of one god attacking those who either reject their god or worship another God, like the God of the Bible. Not only do they hate your lack of guilt over violating their codes, but they also feel guilty for not imposing those codes on you. The followers of the god of reason ended up at witch burning as the solution to heresy. They seek salvation through the spilling of blood.
The crisis in the West is a crisis of reason. We have reasoned ourselves to a dead end where shame and guilt are tied to the assertion that there must be only one moral authority, and it emits only one moral code. Those who must have the warm embrace of faith now target their sense of guilt and shame toward their own kind, for the sin of not embracing what they believe is the only moral code. The rest are left to defend themselves and civilization from the true believers.
The question at the heart of the crisis is can the fury of these zealots be reoriented toward a folk religion or even a passive universalism? If the answer is no, then how can society defend against them? Another way of stating it is, can the cancer be put into remission or must it be removed? It is a terrible question that no one wants to face, but the West must face it. The god of reason is either reformed or removed along with her followers as that is the only reasonable thing to do.
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It’s now coming out that a third of the DC District judges are foreigners who had no experience as judges. They are not us. Grog would know this. Grog would have known not to let them anywhere near the cave’s leadership council. If they tried to usurp the cave leader’s authority — or made big trouble — Grog would’ve felt no guilt in kicking them out of the cave. Let’s be like Grog.
What do you call approximately six hundred seventy-seven lawyers at the bottom of Chesapeake Bay?
Funny question. Grog would call it, “Good start.”
Grog mate Una call it, “Unfinished.”
Grog lazy!
Start of a coral reef? Well, maybe not in Chesapeake…
maybe not in Chesapeake Crab food?
Lawyercakes! Gotta admit, I like using the cracker tool.
Feed the crabs, tuppence a bag
Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag
Feed the crabs,” tuppence a bag
Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag
Crabs gotta eat, same as worms…
Now that you mention it, I have been feeling mighty Groggy lately…
Nitrogen narcosis? Gotta be more careful when diving on the site of those lawyers’ future home, which I will call Shamayim for the bubble which protects them from the brackish (?) waters.
These zealots are mainly, although not exclusively, women and powered by Jews. To save the people from these forces women need to return to their logical roles in society and Jews need to be stripped of power. The American people have no appetite for either yet. But increasingly Americans are starting to notice what is going on.
Bingo. I said as much in my comment. The big issue is Jews. Jewish identity – their folk religion – is now centered on the WWII Holocaust mythology. If you put yourself in their shoes, you can see that there’s no possibility to make a deal with whites or, really, any group. They have to control of the narrative/society’s morality or risk (in their minds) being shipped away to “death camps” in Ohio.
The WWII Holocaust narrative has made Jews relationship with any group, but especially whites, a cage death match that they simply can’t lose.
Yes. Our relationship with Jews is a zero sum game. For us to win, they have up lose
The Holocaust narrative has changed Jews’ relationship with the world. There can be zero compromise. They used to worry about pogroms (likely exaggerated admittedly), which meant that they could deal with the locals but they had to be careful. Now, anytime the locals get uppity, it’s death for all Jews. With that mindset, you have to control the locals completely.
Absolutely. This, 1000%, because this mindset was baked into the cake ages ago, and they are a decidely capable near-peer smart enough to be truly dangerous. (Baked because it is a genetic response to unimaginable environmental catastrophe.)
However, we’re going to run into the headwinds of the Semite-allergic. They prefer equalism.
Not untrue; just as we can be taught a jewish mindset, so can any man or woman be taught a criminal mindset.
When world j3wery declared war on Germany, no one had heard of the holocaust.
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They, many of them, have been our irreconcilable enemies since ancient times. Tiberius, if I remember, expelled them.
I should probably note that the Holocaust narrative has changed the relationship of Jews who don’t live in Israel with their host countries and populations. Israelis have their homeland so I’d suspect that the Holocaust narrative, while still very central, doesn’t quite have the grip as Jews living as a tiny minority.
If videos out of Israel are any indication, they are as much stuck on victimhood as their Diaspora brethren. This is the problem with holocaustianity. Other groups have been attacked in this way, but none of those other groups reacted the same way even generations later.
The Armenians, for example. Can you imagine a small hat Anna Kasparian working for the Nazi equivalent of “The Young Turks” (the name of the group responsible) who also deny the holocaust? Even if you could find one, her fellows would eat her alive for appearing on it.
Oh damn. Anna Kasparian on “The Young Turks.”
It was Kemal Attaturk’s Young Turks, funded by Jewish backers, who committed the Genocide the same years as the Bolshevik Revolution and the attempted German Communist Party takeover of Bavaria, 1915-1921. They got bucket-load of Greek lands out of it too.
(Seeing pictures of what they did, especially main roads lined with crosses of crucified naked Armenian girls…these creatures are demons with a sick, sick sense of humor.)
The Narrative is much stronger in those not rooted in their ‘homeland’. They have nothing else they can point to and say, “we were here, long ago.”
The Narrative is the only root they have, the only bona fides that they must stridently reaffirm.
Oddly, though many were here in the Revolution, and in many places where great history occured, they never proudly emphasize, “my ancestors were in…”
Israeli youth is heavily indoctrinated and brainwashed into the cult. For that reason Israeil visits to Auschwitz are conducted in such a manner as to maximize psychological trauma. Each tourist group is isolated by their armed guards from Shin Bet to prevent any contact with the locals. Paranoia is further amplified by the Israeli “guides” whose main objective is to propagandize those teenagers into believing those atrocities can happen again, hence the constant protection detail and the restriction of freedom (they can’t leave the hotel on their own). In case any gentile manages to get close, they are immediately and… Read more »
No, not really. The problem is having capable foreigners in your country. Foreigners will always agitate for what they perceive as being good for them. Since they view themselves as the world’s oldest victims (they will tell you “antisemitism” is the world’s oldest bigotry), things like equality and accommodating foreign minorities are ideals they push. They like to pretend it’s because they are such good and moral people who want to help others, but it is really just self-preservation. Being tolerant of the “other” is really just “please don’t kill us,” never mind the fact that we never wanted to… Read more »
Not all groups are equally perfidious.
Yep. The Chinese cause issues, but they’re not in the same league.
We have Chinese spies all over the place who pretend they are American. They have every bit the superiority complex as any small hat. They have no problem throwing racist and racism around at us. The CCP was just lecturing us the other day about all of our supposed racism. Though I grant they are using it as a rhetorical weapon knowing how our leaders fret about racism. Indians out Jewed the small hats in the diamond industry, for example. They are as or more ethnocentric than the small hats. You hire 1 pajeet and before you know it, half… Read more »
It’s a funny bait, innit? They say “please be tolerant, don’t be racist” when we we’re all perfectly nice and welcoming people to begin with. But it’s not really a plea. it’s a slur, it’s an insult, it’s an EXHORTATION to be “racist.” They want us to be “racist” so you can be the bad guy, they can claim victimhood and then strike.
If you weren’t a “racist” before, you become a “racist” after they call you one a thousand times.
Have to disagree somewhat. Yes, having a capable minority in your society will always cause some issues, but few groups (if any) are so determined to change the host society like Jews.
They really are a special group. Maybe the Brahmins will turn out the same. We’ll see.
The will to change. This is why the Finkels catch so much flack. If they would simply accept their host countries the way they are and content themselves with becoming obscenely rich, there would be no backlash against them. But no. Because of their sense of superiority, they believe it is their right to make the host country “better,” never minding that the host people like their country just fine the way it is and don’t want to see it transmogrified into something they find detestable and unrecognizable. Moreover, the will to change seems to be almost uniquely Jewish. The… Read more »
I just don’t see the Brahmins building gulags, or blocking the streets with noon prayers like the Moon and Scimitar people do, wailing and waving their asses in the air. I wonder if part of their prayer is “kiss my ass” in Arabic?
Why Ohio?
I just like to choose a banal place in the middle of the country. Nothing against Ohio. Could have just as easily said Kansas or Indiana.
King Cobra is running for governor of Ohio.
The Asp of Akron, I think they’re calling him…
Ohio is great at electing really terrible “Republicans” like DeWine, Boehner, Portman and most lately Moreno.
I bet most people even in the state don’t realize that Moreno is the scion of a powerful Colombian political family — his brother and father are/were major Colombian political figures. If that’s not a huge conflict of interest, I don’t know what is.
Also, a couple years before he ran, he was getting awards from gay rights organizations, then all of a sudden he does a 180 and is Mr. Family Values to pick up the Trump endorsement. A total snake.
Because Vizzini the Terrible is there?
They don’t want to have to ship me too far. They’re not prepared for the necessary security measures. 😉
“and Jews need to be stripped of power.”
Hard to do when our President is a Zionist and our Congress is controlled by the Jewish lobby.
The journey of 1,000 miles starts with the first step. It will be a long, long process.
There is, a lot of wishful thinking among the right. A big reason is that once your eyes are opened, clown world seems ripe for a fall. But it took 100 plus years for us to get in this mess and it won’t change overnight
We are rapidly approaching the final crisis, which will likely (I’m guessing, of course) center around the 2032 election cycle. B/c normie still believes in voting.
“Shame and guilt were not natural to men until introduced by devilish forces.” We, and our women, the lusted-for Aryan ‘Eve’, were the “devilish forces,” per the racial propaganda. But… Nonwhites, and especially consanguinous jews, have a feminine brain. The circuitry operates in a feminine manner. I call it “the breeder brain” for this reason. The Latin term used for the backbrain is ‘insula’, that is, ‘doorway’…strangely accurate, because the insula is the ‘antenna’ for the frequency range of Hell’s bestial background function. It is not that either women or nonwhites are evil. It is that they are vulnerable. They… Read more »
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(“email address incorrect” upon edit, how do I fix this? Sorry.)
Try copying your post; delete it; refresh the page; paste the post back in. I’ve had success and failure with that approach.
The Serpent did not approach the Man.
So succinct. Ray gets it.
My Pastor says that the preservation of Israel is critical to the preservation of Christianity. Me, i’m not qualified to respond. Is true, I don’t know, but I do think that the preservation of Christianity is critical to the preservation of Western Civilization.
Dispensationalist vantage point. Popularized by John Darby 1850 ish and made its way into the Schofield study bible and disseminated as orthodox eschatology. Christendom didn’t see it that way previously. Do your own reading don’t rely on your pastor. The four main eschatological views are available everywhere.
I always said Trump is the first Jewish president! Another great irony of Trump is this: instead of being the one to stop the heritage American apocalypse, he may well usher in the age of total techno-tyranny.
His ancestry is aligned with this particular techno-potential. So yes it is a threat.
joseph Sobran
A sober take…
I’m sure someone has crunched these numbers before: If a black town with population B integrates with a white town with population W, then the likelihood of the following for whites increases by: +R% rape, +M% murder, +A% assault or robbery.
If whites knew these statistics would it matter?
I’m fighting the belief that the kind of whites who would have fought this integration was mostly killed in the world wars. Our lost warrior Christians and Vikings.
If so, our only hope of awakening traditional whites and others may be destroying the media, which dictates our morality.
If so, our only hope of awakening traditional whites and others may be destroying (((the media))), which dictates our morality.
I suppose this anti-Christian religion/zealotry has been around a long time, but it gained traction in the 1960’s. It was your fuddy duddy parents and grandparents deal. It wasn’t good enough to women, to blacks, to swarths, to homos, or to crazies who think they are something they are biologically not. Something “new” was needed that accepted every form of degeneracy and rejected the “old” morality. And here we are. I doubt reform or a change in diet is going to work. Radical surgery is the only way forward that has a chance.
I wonder if this is a problem that’ll solve itself? The faithful self segregate, they and their descendants reap the fruits of their faith… the cancerous form together in clumps and reap the fruits of their malignant beliefs together. Obviously, reality will not work out that cleanly, but this is the trend that I’ve observed in my life. Put another way – we’re witnessing another iteration in evolution, happening much faster now due to the speed that technology has changed society in the past couple generations.
“I wonder if this is a problem that’ll solve itself?” One can’t be sure, that is the conundrum. Here’s an (possibly useful) example from my past with Game & Fish in my State. We had a section of the State where the predator population (Coyote) was out of balance with the prey (Elk). The old theory that predator levels would decline as prey levels fell did not hold for Coyotes since the Coyotes would eat anything to survive—seeds, berries, rodents, etc. The situations was so bad that for a couple of years no yearling Elk were recorded being born and… Read more »
Exactly what I am afraid of. Only 740 million of us left.
We were outnumbered 10 to one a few years ago. Now it’s 11 to 1.
I found out, being unfamiliar with hunting, that this is why deer hunting is encouraged. They want you to take the ones with one horn or malformed horns, to prevent excessive inbreeding or deformation to ensure the long term health of the herd.
What will your radical surgery lead to? What flourishes like noxious weeds after that? Trinitarianism collapsed because it could not withstand close scrutiny. Recall for instance what our astronomers and physicists have learned about this vast Heavenless cosmos. Jesus’ moral teachings (e.g. about judgement) tend to be sloppy, rabble rousing, sentimental, or self-serving. The old morality is authoritarian, too—giving orders and demanding obedience, like in any military. The whole affair began with and is inseverable from Israel’s nationalist supremacism, which Jesus affirmed several times in different ways. The cult of Jesus, unlike so-called Hinduism, leaves apostates with few or no… Read more »
‘Recall for instance what our astronomers and physicists have learned about this vast Heavenless cosmos’
Your glorious astrophysicists are babies, slapping at the sides of the crib and thinking themselves brilliant.
‘The cult of Jesus, unlike so-called Hinduism, leaves apostates. . . ‘ blah blah blah
Yes, if only we embraced Hinduism and the East, all would be well. All that Eastern mysticism from the Sixties turned out great, remember? A real boon to the culture. Just the antidote the nation needed for that ruinous Cult of Jesus that the people followed!
Hey thanks a lot for checking in, Huma.
I can’t speak for that Jesus fella, but I’m pretty sure there is no downside to following the 10 commandments.
But I’m willing to be persuaded.
It improves and sustains a society composed of both believers and non-believers.
Does the Koran do that? The Bhagavad Gita? The Popul Vuh or the Talmud?
Will, or spirit, got kicked out of the Trinity, leaving mind and body. Here we are, criticizing ourselves to death, subject to our desires, without the will to control them. We’re nuts and animals, not humans. That’s what happened imo.
Getting stuck on the details, well, that’s the same enthusiasm showed by Star Wars fans for the details of their stories.
I just noticed, because I used to have the same gut reaction, that what makes even honest atheists mad, is treating mythic allegory as science. That’s like getting mad at an Aesop story.
“Shame and guilt were not natural to men until introduced by devilish forces.” We, and our women, the lusted-for Aryan ‘Eve’, were the “devilish forces,” per the racial propaganda. But… Nonwhites, including consanguinous jews, have a feminine brain. The circuitry operates in a feminine manner. I call it “the breeder brain”, because it achieves the essential bestial ends, and doesn’t get much further. The Latin term used for the backbrain is ‘insula’, that is, ‘doorway’…strangely accurate, because the insula is the ‘antenna’ for the frequency range of Hell’s bestial background function, the ‘driver’, in computer parlance. It is not that… Read more »
I peg the accelerated descent at Vatican II.
The more recent liturgical changes in the last 5 years or so are borderline comical.
Another way of stating it is, can the cancer be put into remission or must it be removed? In my mind this question has already been answered for quite some time. As the true believers become more unhinged and more emboldened, the clear answer is removal. And for this angry Gen Xer, I wish for that removal to be as painful as possible. I do not wish to compromise with them, share a country with them or have them breath my air. I wish them the very worst hell could ever offer. They have ruined everything that was once pure… Read more »
Not just this, but afterward, build The Biggest Fucking Chesterton’s Fence in the Universe.
To make sure they stay out for good.
And pound it into our people over and over and over until they get it: We can never coexist with these people. Make being parasite-proof part of our DNA.
They’ll need to be removed. First, the money and brains of the zealots are Jews. Jews will not give up their folk religion – which is now centered around the WWII Holocaust narrative which makes it absolutely antithetical to whites. Jews will not be converted nor will make a deal in good faith to back off and leave us alone.
Second, a huge portion of women and the mutants will not return to a code of living that adhere to nature’s hierarchy, not without a fight.
People have started to accept what you set forth at a subconscious level. “Deportation,” “remigration,” and so forth are euphemisms for removal. People already are self-segregating and sorting and moving to enclaves, and slowly but surely reasons such as “good schools” and “country living” are not given. They know now but just won’t say it yet. It will be awful when the rubber hits the road, but dems the breaks.
Jews, Levites, and any other supremacist remnants of Israel need another Siegmund Feniger, albeit one whose head is clear enough to thwart the appearance and rise of another Bhikkhu Bodhi (whose title and name comprise a misnomer for a modernist Jewish busybody).
I like Z Man’s idea of airdropping troublemakers into The Democratic Republic of the Congo.
Well, especially certain troublemakers, because guess who’s been running that shitshow from behind the scenes since it started (since they lied their fooking asses off about King Leopold so they could steal his money), and in every flareup since.
Sorry don’t have the name at hand of the latest guy who took over after Kabila Sr. croaked, but yeah, he’s been the one behind Kabila Jr., and it’s still all about the mining rights. Like it is, Every Single Time.
In our cradle, Europe, we must attend first to Jews in their evangelistic form, the Muslims. Both are Seeds of Abraham. Islam began as a Maccabbean sect in 159 BC, when the High Priest killed the sect’s leader in a brutal public example. 180 years later, surviving remnants of that sect accepted Jesus as a prophet, and began war beside the Talmuds in forcibly converting those who accepted Jesus as God. Jews, Romans, Arabs, pagans, who accepted the the Heresy, the Stain being erased by Israel in Palestine, by their Muslim half-brothers in Syria, and by the neocons in Ukraine.… Read more »
The issue is that the prevailing ‘morality’ and narrative – call it ‘reason’ if you will although it is nothing of the sort – has no basis in either biological relatedness, geographical territory, or religious faith. There is no common genetics, language, culture, or ethics. The left tells me that there is no biological reality other than the ‘human race,’ and that anyone born on the dirt or within the air space of a particular nation state, and/or granted magic papers declaring them to be, is my ‘fellow citizen.’ The cuckservatards tell me that everyone from the furthest reaches of… Read more »
“The churchians say that neither biology nor geography are any impediment to faith-based ‘brotherhood,’ which then demands I make anyone my geographical neighbor and member of my biological family. “The Pope says Islam is the brother of Christianity, and the Church of England defrocks priests who don’t observe magic pronouns, but ‘priestesses’ are a long overdue correction of doctrinal error. “Jews tell us that Jerusalem was the foundation of the ‘west,’ and they are the ‘elder brothers in faith to Christians, although the presumptuous faker Jesus is justly boiling in a vat of shit.” You are among the few helping… Read more »
Masterfully put. Thank you.
A big problem is the current pope sides with the ideological cancer on almost everything, creating strong resistance among the most faithful Catholics, an obvioius problem. But he’ll be gone soon. Then we’ll see who and what comes next.
Probably an African.
Very unlikely.
My impression, as an uninterested non-expert who only learns about catholicism incidentally to other things, is that it’s always been that way. The church is worldly/progressive. The people resist it until they’re replaced by people who don’t. In the past that replacement was generational, and in the present (since ~1700) it’s racial. The shepherd has changed his flock, from European to other. My wife is a Roman Catholic (almost literally) and thinks my impression is correct—but that the church is in some sense “true.” As well as I can understand that, it means that there was some past time when… Read more »
“Religion is not really my thing.”
All living bodies die. Then what? Is a human’s life just a short voyage from ashes to ashes and from dust to dust, like materialists believe?
Loners (i.e. the irreligious) can experience transcendance but often fare poorly among the worldly, esp. when the latters’ religion is democracy, internationalist communism, marketism, or national socialism (as in the cases of Jews and most of the USA’s “Black Lives”). Not having a religion, therefore, is like not having the teamwork to keep aggressive, predatory animals at bay.
Religion (faith) is extremely grounding, psychologically speaking. If for no other reason than that…we should always.
Human beings are “belief animals, nay?”
Sans “religion…”
Maybe Hemid’s just drawn towards the practical, like many (most) religious are, and doesn’t feel like he needs to worry about the “Then what?” question.
Do you notice, Ride By, how you conflated two differerent questions to set up the framing for an argument?
I have to say, though, “Not having a religion, therefore, is like not having the teamwork to keep aggressive, predatory animals at bay” is pretty right on the the money, it’s where the reality hits.
Obama will become the next pope
Unfortunately, we will not be getting an Urban II. Bergoglio has filled the ranks of The College of Cardinals with marxists like himself.
Since Bergoglio used to run the pedo trafficking ring for gay bars in Argentina/Chile, and we need an African, yeah, Obama will be the next pope.
I vote for removal.
Eventually, there will be no other option.
That’s the case now. It just hasn’t been widely accepted yet. In the interim, people are sorting and self-segregating. At a subconscious level they know.
For all my woo-woo, physical works best in the physical world.
Woo-woo is after all the background. The intent, yes, but still the background.
Guilt and shame are not the same. Guilt is internal regret. Shame is external public humiliation. Shame results from having disappointed the tribe, guilt from disappointing yourself, although there may be external consequences. Probably, guilt as such did not exist in primitive man. Perhaps there was regret, once contingency was understood, but Grog didn’t flagellate himself over it. He made what he thought was the right decision at the time. No crying over spilt milk. Some people think the Jews invented guilt, and then the Catholics perfected it. Be that as it may, the difference between shame and guilt is… Read more »
The question at the heart of the crisis is can the fury of these zealots be reoriented toward a folk religion or even a passive universalism?
Probably not. So we go back to Zman’s premise, which is biological reality. These zealots won’t reproduce and won’t be around for the future. They will be crowded out/replaced by people who know who they are and what they are trying to accomplish.
https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=33826#comment-449633
The Book of Genesis wasn’t a ‘story’ but (greatly) compressed history, underlined by the rampant fact that the Western World is failing and falling due PRECISELY to the twin sins-of-Eden: the propensity of the female to seek power beyond her station, and the propensity of the male to abet and obey her . . . to effect her ‘sovereignty’, as they called feminism in the old days. The ancient world was dominated by a smorgasbord of fertility/goddess religions — mother-cult variants — as both Scripture and secular scholarship show. The prophets of the, ahem, ‘sky god’ didn’t make him up… Read more »
“the propensity of the male…” An important—but oft overlooked—lesson to learn from Bereshit 1-3 is that Adam was a weak man formed in the image and likeness of weak elohim. Or yhvh. The propensity of Adam must have been the propensity of elohim, too, given the alleged likeness. If they lacked the propensity, the alleged likeness must be a big lie given the importance of the propensity to the mentality and behavior of Adam. Makers who are perfect and ommipotent (in the sense held by your sect) would have no impediment to building a much better first man. You fail… Read more »
OK Huma.
Excellent analysis of the true believers, but it does violence to the word “reason”. From Webster’s: The power of comprehending, inferring or thinking esp. in orderly rational ways: INTELLIGENCE (2) : proper exercise of the mind (3) SANITY.
These folks don’t worship Reason. They worship Vanity.
I agree. It seems impossible to label the faith of the Baby Killing Communist Pedophile movement as some kind of evolution into a moral code based on reason. Rather pride, hubris, insanity all attended by the entire remaining catalogue of mortal and venal sins. It is a leap of faith in the self as the ultimate authority, a deliberate choice (if you believe in free will) to reject a higher authority, even in the form of received wisdom and moral cosmology. In any case, paraphrasing Derb, reason is very low on the list of behavior drivers for most people and… Read more »
From the Enlightenment until the second half of the 1960s, Leftists believed, with a certain amount of justification, that they were the exponents of reason. And it was during this period that atheism, along with the rejection of everything spiritual and religious, became synonymous with Leftism. However, along with the postmodern turn of the sixties came the derogation of reason and the transfiguration of cultural relativism. And it is this relativism that has since underpinned all of the madness that has been unleashed upon the West. But there remains an antinomy that holds sway in geopolitics, namely that, despite the… Read more »
“From the Enlightenment until the second half of the 1960s, Leftists believed, with a certain amount of justification, that they were the exponents of reason.”
Not to be pedantic here, but they weren’t “leftists,” they were classical liberals. Leftism is a post-industrial, post-modern ideological construct. “Liberalism” is the application of reason and the Scientific Method during the Enlightenment.
Call them what you like, but they were on the left and were certainly the ancestors of today’s Leftists. The West’s Left-Right political schema was born during the French Revolution.
Or, a Leftist by any other name stinks just as badly.
Religion aside, I find the assumptions that motivate our overlords to be unreasonable and based on fantasies about human nature. In fact, they seem to reject the very notion of human nature.
The only problem with this post is that the great awakening is not based on reason. It is actually based on non-reason.u
Yes. It is based on hysteria. It is a woman who is desparate for Daddy to get tired of her bullshit and show her her place, and then, please please please throw me against a wall and fuck me. There is a logic to it, but it isn’t reasonable. The other problem with this post is that it is too logical. We are in the looting phase of civilizational collapse. The looters invariably side with the hysterics because by progroming Western man you force his wealth out of his hands. You create a loyal class of patrons with high time… Read more »
Rejection of nature (or at least overcoming it) seems to be a decision that occidental man made long ago – and I think it’s part of what’s made our civilization so successful technologically… far more than any civ that came before. Yet, the piper must be paid eventually…
Yes. But, discarding with the transcendant and the mystery is a recent phenomena. Turning the universe into a clock was a catastrophic error. The other thing we have not yet reckoned with, and I am the first person I know to be talking about this is our conception of technology. Even that has been removed by schism. Occidental man’s foundational technology is Our sophisticated set of social technologies. They are the basis for our ability to develop the empirical technologies and bring them in to an ordered world that still makes room for the metaphysical. We are beating our head… Read more »
The function of our advanced culture depends on being run by high trust individuals. Our society seems to have lost the capacity to either make or install the right kind of people in the necessary positions. The amoral me first mentality that has permeated our institutions is destroying them by exponential decline; it is to the point nearly nothing functions properly at the federal level. The only likely solution is to rebuild after it all collapses. The corruption runs too deep to root out. Maybe the next group will be able to do better. Our institutions failed at the individual… Read more »
Good point on the social technology piece – I’d never thought of technology in that frame before. The thing to remember with Alex Karp is that he’s a salesman first and foremost – he does believe the things he says (a good salesman always does) – but the grandiose proclamations about saving the west are a sales tactic (like a lot of the mystique around Palantir). It has good products, but it’s not the manhattan project. The Thiel impulse is faustian, and I think Spengler was right that it’s the driving force of our civilization. Musk embodies this well… this… Read more »
True. 2 years ago he sold Palantir to Sweden because it could prevent terrorist attacks. The problem wasn’t inviting terrorists in. In fact, a problem his technology could be a solution for. Problems good!
Now, those unruly people threaten his people so good excuse to do even more surveillance and sell more product and use it to deport the baddies that threaten his narrow interest group.
Yes. But, a drive that is misdirected is problematic. Mars can’t be colonized without Earth as a base just as North and South America couldn’t have been without Europe as a base. This is even more true. First priority and first principle is to save yourself from immediate danger. Musk like Karp is a salesman. He had no qualms lying that nuclear energy was inferior to solar and wind when he wanted to goose subsidies and sales of solar panels and battery backup farms. He quietly slid away from that grift. Similarly he had no qualms about the lie of… Read more »
You make some good points, RR, and I agree that Musk is an excellent salesman. I’d say that Musk is absolutely civilizational, and acting in his own interest doesn’t negate that. Many of the civilizational figures of the West’s past were absolutely acting in their own interests. Think of Cortez, the early explorers, Washington, Jackson, Napoleon, Edison, the frontiersmen of America, etc. The grift doesn’t negate the greatness – and landing re-usable rockets is absolutely a great technical feat. His sales skills have inspired many technical talents away from societal zero sum careers like finance, law, into engineering. This has… Read more »
Excellent comment and spot on. As for:
It is every man for himself. We just swapped the gay race communist looters for the same people who swooped in to loot the post-Soviet Russia…
it is an even more untenable coalition and will unravel very quickly. The host population cannot withstand much more parasitism. I also would submit much of the current disintegration is the result of the Puritan prong of the previous coalition coming to terms with the reality that the Judeo prong needed to be put into its place.
‘The looters invariably side with the hysterics because by progroming Western man you force his wealth out of his hands. You create a loyal class of patrons with high time preference who will transfer it to you pretty quickly for trinkets’ Exactly. That’s what Consumer America and Mall Culture were all about. It was a Barbie Paradise, not a nation. A staggering, unprecedented transfer of wealth and power was effected right in front of our noses, yet invisible. From Western man to Western woman, their elite-level looters (the Regime), and to allied factions — the blacks, the homos, the transgender… Read more »
It is reason that tells us that there must be one way of organizing society. It is reason that tells us there must be one moral code. No, the little devil PRIDE says that to us. “Reason” is merely the tool men use to elevate their own moral code and place it above all others. We observe that men are universally born with a sense of fairness. The ancients used to call that inborn knowing the Law of Nature. More specifically, the Law of Human Nature. We observe that law of nature growing over time into moral codes that vary… Read more »
This Z-man post is a brilliant and succinct examination of a fundamental question. I comment on one of his observations: “The trading of women, which we know was a part of early man’s existence, was one solution.” This extended beyond the binding of small groups in amalgamation process to bonding between groups too large for joining. “With regard to the girl, my daughter, about whom you wrote to me in view of marriage: she has become a woman, she is nubile. Just send a delegation to fetch her.” –King Kadashman-Enlil of Babylonia to Pharaoh Amenhotep III of Egypt, from the… Read more »
Yah, well. Conscience–the knowledge of right and wrong–has been built in since Adam & Eve. Jesuit training or no, you should know that.
What we may be looking at is just natural selection at work. As Z stated, the religions practiced were the ones adaptive to humanity’s technological and civilizational situation at that time. The Jewish ethno-religion is poorly adapted to having their own state since it renders them incapable of dealing with other people with the sense of fairness required to keep the peace, just like how Grog’s tribal God stopped helping once agriculture came along and he had to tolerate having neighbors. As consequence Jews have had to speciate and function as a sort of relict deviation from human evolution, parasitizing… Read more »
Rumplestiltskenstein scared the hell outta me when I was a little shaver…
“…the sense of guilt and shame was probably as primitive as the moral code that existed within the group.” Guilt and shame is the evolutionary answer to basic “instinct” in group oriented animals. Instinct was—before humans evolved—the foundation of survival for all higher order species. As our brains enlarged and proto-humans evolved, instinct proved too slow and limited to keep up with human advancement as a species in a rapidly changing environment. This was the key to human survival. Heretofore every other animal species faced with a rapidly changing environment, yet limited to a preset body of behavioral instructions, became… Read more »
“There’s no point in denying that different groups have fundamental moral disagreements. It’s obviously true. For example, gays in America get parades; gays in some Islamic countries get thrown off the roofs of buildings. Can either group convince the other to change its mind? Probably not. That leaves us with the second question: In case of disagreement, do human groups have a right to force their moral views on the other groups? If we answer ‘yes,’ then the inevitable result is either perpetual war (if no group can dominate the others) or tyranny (if one group can win). History suggests… Read more »
There is no alternative to religion, because a society is based on the law. The law must allow things and forbid things. Of course, it will allow things that it will consider as good and it will forbid things that will consider as bad. So there must be a definition of good and evil, upon which the law is based. And this is a religion: a definition of good and evil (no gods required: Taoism, Buddhism and Confucianism are religions with no gods attached) If the law is based on a religion, it is called an “official religion”. For non-official… Read more »
“The Christian religion (this was never official in America but it was in England) … .”
The English Church was established by law and supported by taxation in all the Southern provinces (Maryland to Georgia) until the 1777 constitutions of the newly independent states, and in some of the Northern provinces, and the Congregationalist Church was established by law and supported by taxation in New England–until well into the 19th century (1828, I think, in Massachusetts).
The atheist Sam Abrams refers to your “Natural Law” as “Rational Morality”. It seems the current Christian based morality is the best and right morality but that does not mean it is rational or natural. The human being can justify anything it needs to in order to survive. The Aztecs sacrificing virgins to get a good crop was perfectly reasonable to keep the rest of the group fed. The Mongols and the Khans were a warrior culture. The ability to kill was highly regarded. Killing was not only moral it was celebrated. A benevolent morality is not especially the norm.… Read more »
There appears to be a proscribed set of group rules, adherence to which allows you inclusion in that group. Adherence to same or a pretense of adherence in order to be included is necessary, depending on how much sh%t you can swallow. Unbelievers and new messiahs could be literally stoned from the village for upsetting the status quo. Questioning the local shaman’s ability to heal, or questioning why Vol has to be appeased will get you killed. Perhaps that’s the reason the bear went over the mountain.
have to disagree with your thesis. the next step after extended family groups was tribes, and after that towns, then cities, then empires. primitive concepts of ‘gods’ were very different than the modern view (from antiquity through present day) and did not really impact the behavior of primitive humans.
take the stone age native americans as an example; how does your theory on religion “fit” there?
Stone age indians never got beyond “tribe” i/e extended family group. Even more advanced indians, like the Mexica, were only loyal within their tribe. All other Aztec tribes were open game to be enslaved, sacrificed and/or eaten.
Largely the case amongst native north american language groups, as well. Some were peaceful, typically those having resource-rich environments, like the Ohlone around S.F. Bay. Heck you can still see their shell mounds. No need to rob ‘n raid when you live in Little Eden. Most others, however, were extremely loyal to their tribe and considered all others to be — as you say — fair game. Not really human beings, in fact. As for human sacrifice on the continent, it certainly was not restricted to Mesoamerica. Stealing food, horses, and women/children for slaves? . . . oh yeah baby… Read more »
Great comment. Every war/conflict I’ve spent much time reading about inevitably includes blood curdling tales of females inflicting creatively horrible pain on their victims. Heck, one of the most grizzly came from the journal of a civilian sailor who penetrated deep into Papua New Guinea. The women could keep a captive alive for days tied to a post, while cutting off fresh slabs of long-pork for each meal. They staunched the wounds with banana leaves as I recall…
If you end up in a shooting war against women, do not be taken alive.
The Spirit of Rome had nothing on the New World when it comes to calculated cruelty.
As Kipling said
When you’re wounded and dying on Afghanistan’s plains
and the women come out to cut up your remains
then roll to your rifles and blow out your brains
and go to your God like a soldier.
(from memory but about right).
I was always amazed by the Aztecs behavior as they were relatively an advanced society wrt IQ at the time. They engineered large structures, had mathematics and astrological observatories. Yet on weekends for fun would tear the beating hearts out of thousands of captives upon those temples they designed and according to astronomical charts they devised.
That really was an object lesson for me on civilization and its moral shortcomings.
The default setting for human spirituality is human sacrifice/blood-fertility rites. Each culture calls it something different, but the historical record is what it is.
In the modern West, abortion and war satisfy this urge. Chiefly abortion because in the ancient world likewise, the more innocent the sacrifice, the more potent to produce rain. crops, etc.
The default setting is not Christianity, or even Buddhism.
Natives were so different they didn’t have gods, or God, or anything with a human face (and still don’t, the ones that remain). Only ground spirits, ghosts, and the land. Their conception of time doesn’t even support the idea of beginnings or ends.
Z Man is feeling revolutionary my dudes.
“It is a terrible question that no one wants to face, but the West must face it. The god of reason is either reformed or removed along with her followers as that is the only reasonable thing to do.”
I only wish that he had appealed to “the preservation of the White race” instead of “the god of reason.”
The Jews already have a solution to the universal morality issue; Noahide Laws. They’ve been looking to impose these on Gentiles for quite a while. Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson was promoting Noahide law back in the 90’s when they created Education Day USA. You know, the guy who’s tomb was visited by Trump (and his handler Ben Shapiro lol) before the election. Also, that rabid zionist stooge Mike Huckabee was just there praying for his senate confirmation to Israeli ambassador, as if there’s any doubt.
Impose the Noahide laws on gentiles? At least as far as Christianity goes, I’d say the first 5 laws are already established and the last two firmly entrenched through interpretation of Christian doctrine: ”The seven Noahide laws are as follows: 1. Do not worship idols: Prohibits idolatry or the worship of false gods. 2. Do not blaspheme: Forbids disrespect or blasphemy against God. 3. Do not murder: Prohibits the unjust taking of human life. 4. Do not engage in illicit sexual relations: Forbids adultery, incest, and other prohibited sexual relationships. 5. Do not steal: Prohibits theft and deceit. 6. Do… Read more »
The Ten Commandments already cover most of the Noahide Laws, true, but my point is these are meant to apply to us, not them. You can go through the Talmud and find the passages that exonerate the Jew when he transgresses against a Gentile, especially related to 3, 4 & 5. I wonder if the Courts of Justice mentioned in 7 will be under the jurisdiction of the Sanhedrin…
I think guilt is instinctual. My cat, even though he was fixed, used to like to hump my dirty clothes and the bed comforters. Anytime I went upstairs and caught him, he immediately released the garment and started licking his private areas. The reaction reminded me as if your parents caught you playing with yourself at home. Call it what you want, but to me it seemed like the very human reaction of being embarrassed whenever I caught him. I mean, this is a stupid cat with a brain the size of a walnut. (He was actually very bright for… Read more »
That’s why I’m a dog man.
Oh yeah, like dogs have never been known to try to hump their masters legs. LOL. Cats are cool when you get used to their idiosyncrasies. Plus, they are pickier so when they like you, it feels more special.
Dogs don’t feel guilty about it.
Sleep lightly at night, amigo. Lightly. :O)
He died in 2014, but he was a great cat.
R.I.P. gato.
And on your back…
“…can the cancer be put into remission or must it be removed?” If your cancer analogy is to hold and be responded to, then *yes* the cancer must be removed whenever possible. Cancer in remission always comes with a warning, indeed an understanding, that it may very well return. Even when I had one exorcised, no physician said I was cancer free, but only responded with the 5 year wait and see response. To directly respond to your question, (true) zealots are not reoriented, but only suppressed. I find support for such in that I consider these zealots to be… Read more »
“Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.”
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h/t Sharkly
Group identity is still heavily based on places of origin…Poles in the US still have Polish organizations and grouping in activities like contract bridge..In the middle East, a coherent “jewish”group, the Ashkenazi, who rule the country of Israel, have no blood ties to the region, coming from Eastern Europe and Western Asia, but are dominating groups that do….
Yes, everyone is tribal but whites. And group identity is based upon genetic and cultural similarity, not “place of origin.”
Is Jared Taylor Japanese because he was born in Japan?
If only tickets were available on a new Mayflower.
where would you go?
get your ass to mars!
one of these days Alice pow right to the moon.
I see what you did there. 😉
-Ralph
You have to be born a Hindu to be a Hindu.
And you don’t have to be born Jewish to be a Finkel.
Yes, but if you read Hobbes’ Leviathan you find that about a third of it is reasoning based on analysis of Biblical quotations.
In other words, humans use reason to justify their passions and their beliefs about life, the universe, everything..
Also, I believe that animals can feel shame. Just tell a dog “Bad Dog” in an angry tone and you will see.
Oh man. Finally read the article beyond the first paragraph. This one goes in the Best of the Best file, for sure. This illustrates why I rail against the One God philosophy: it disrespects Creation’s iron law that there must be diversity, as nothing is static. As each people are expressed in different phenotype, and phenotype (observable differences) expresses genotype (genetic differences), each people is a different frequency channel on the big radio, each people has different gods. To try to pretend otherwise is to say AM picks up FM signals. To observe each to their own is the simple… Read more »
It’s not so much that you’ll need to ask permission to use the heated seats. What will happen, 100% for certain, is comfort and convenience features will become subscription-based.
-GPS Nav
-Heated/cool seats and steering wheels
-Radio/infotainment
-power recline seats
-individual user settings
A lot of treadmills already do this. They boast about workout routines integrated with the machine. But if you want those, it’s $20-$30/mo.
The future isn’t a car you own.
Its a Terms of Use agreement.
Exile. I hear Greenland is lovely.
“…that is the point of the Genesis story of Adam and Eve. Shame and guilt were not natural to men until introduced by devilish forces.” LOL. Nah. They blamed white people for the end of the world, which is what happened in 2204 BC. That’s what baked it into the cake. The problem is, they also envied our mighty cities, and wanted our women so they could become us. True, though, the small hats who wrote the story have no guilt, or shame. Because from their point of view, they aren’t replacing us with themselves- they are saving the world.… Read more »