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Scan social media, comments on sites that still allow them, new media platforms like livestreaming services, and what becomes clear is that support for Israel in the United States is shifting. The days of “right-wing” influencers portraying Israel as the frontline of freedom are long gone. Instead, there is mostly indifference, with a fair amount of criticism. So-called left-wing influencers are aggressively antagonistic toward Israel, siding with the Arabs.
The one place where enthusiasm for Israel remains strong is Washington. The Trump administration is cartoonishly pro-Israel, often coming off as a parody of the old pro-Israel stance among conservatives. The Republican Party is similarly over-the-top in its celebration of Israel, as if it worships Israelis. Senator Tom Cotton rarely speaks about his home state, preferring instead to focus on Israel. Even Democrats act as though Israel is their ancestral homeland.
In time, the events of October 7, 2023, may be seen as a turning point for Israel’s relationship with the United States. Rather than sparking another round of American-led violence in the region, it may prove to be the moment that bursts the Israel bubble. Until then, supporting Israel was the default position among the American public, with only fringe voices expressing opposition. Since that day, however, the public square has become a battleground over Israel.
Israel seems to be losing that fight. Young people no longer support Israel, and it is only among senior citizens that you see the old enthusiasm. More accurately, the old enthusiasm exists only with old white people who vote Republican. Demographics play a big role here, as the younger generations are less white. Of course, it also means that the actuarial tables are working hard against the pro-Israel position. In ten years, support for Israel will probably collapse.
This does not mean, as some suggest, that Americans are becoming antisemitic or that a dark historical figure is poised for a comeback. Rather, for an increasing number of Americans, the romanticized view of Jews has faded. Events from eighty years ago no longer shape their thinking. Jews do not hold a special place in their imagination, and as a result, Israel is seen as just another country. More and more, Americans are evaluating Israel through the lens of American interests.
One reason for this is the heavy-handed tactics employed after October 7 to bully Americans into siding with Israel. In this age of widespread mendacity, overegging the pudding raises suspicions. The outlandish claims made by people like Ben Shapiro quickly turned a tragedy into a conspiracy theory. Instead of sympathy for Israel, a majority began to suspect shenanigans. When they called it their 9/11, that seemed to confirm we were being conned yet again into war.
It is fair to say that the year following the attack was an example of disastrous public relations that alienated many Americans. Exaggerated claims about Arabs eating babies and scripted social media campaigns were quickly identified and debunked online. Then came the carpet bombing of Gaza, which struck many as monstrous. While Israel was undoubtedly the victim, indiscriminately bombing apartment buildings and hospitals is still seen as immoral.
The weird thing about the year of ham-fisted public relations is that it was as if the Israel Lobby forgot the internet existed. It was very much an old school media campaign, for a time when the media was four television channels and a local newspaper, not a time when Telegram channels have up-to-the-minute video from even the most remote places in the world. It was a media campaign run by old people for old people who still watch the nightly news.
There is also the fact that, for over a decade, anyone questioning official narratives has been branded as “Hitler.” On the one hand, this rhetoric enrages people. On the other hand, it has become a signal that kooks and crazies are about to create chaos. The Israel Lobby foolishly aligned itself with the unstable elements of the left, and now, it is tarnished by association with the same activists who toppled statues and caused societal unrest.
This complacency is another factor in Israel’s declining support. Since the 1980s, life has been easy for the Israel Lobby. Their critics were banished in the 1990s, so they merely had to issue press releases to get what they wanted. Over time, this made them lazy. Like all lobbying machines, they became focused on Washington, neglecting grassroots efforts. Now, their critics control the grassroots and the new media that inform the next generation.
A larger issue for Israel and its supporters is that the United States is a big country facing big challenges. Israel is a small country. Naturally, it cannot remain at the top of America’s priority list. Furthermore, the Israel Lobby represents only a tiny fraction of the American public. Minoritarianism is unsustainable—just ask Assad. The great tectonic plates of human civilization are shifting against the current Israeli paradigm. The so-called Jewish century is over, and both Jews and Israel must adapt.
Again, this does not mean that a historical villain is making a comeback or that Ben Shapiro will soon be selling tickets to concentration camps to keep the Daily Wire afloat. Americans are not naturally bigoted, despite demographic changes. It simply means that the dominance of the Israel Lobby and the victimhood culture that has shaped Jewish identity for half a century are fading. Like many aspects of the 20th century, these things will soon be relics of the past.
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From the 1980s until the early 2000s, I considered myself a staunch Israel supporter. Support for Israel was one of the pillars of “conservatism,” and I was a young Reagan Republican. The cartoonish Arab crazies like Yasser Arafat and Moammar Qaddafi made it easy to support the Israelis. Arafat in particular was like caricature of an Arab terrorist right out of a comic book. Qaddafi blew up 747 over Scotland, and we bombed him in response. The “Arab street” was full of fanatics ululating and chanting and carrying on. And of course I vividly remembered the Iran hostage crisis which… Read more »
Well said. In light of recent revelations though, I would make one edit: Qaddafi “possibly” blew up a 747 over Scotland.
No proper evidence that it was Gaddafi.
Plenty of evidence that the bomb was made by a Syrian for Iran in revenge for their plane being shot down by USA.
This is also similar to my path to being disinterested in the latest jewish emergency we must get involved in.
I think if memory serves me correctly Truman wrote in his diary that he had doubts about how the Jews would handle the affairs of their new nation and how we might be drawn into Israels affairs?
Well here we are.
I wish Israel and the Jews well, I just do not want their lobby with so much influence in my nations affairs.
I welcome these changes that may be coming.
To paraphrase George Castanza:
“It’s not a crime, if Israel does it.”
Modern Jews are the dog that finally caught the car. They functioned best as a specialized tribe within other nations. When they finally got their Zion and had to run their own state and do all their own work, well, things didn’t go so well. Becoming dependent on the US military to fight their battles has totally corrupted both nations and has a good chance of leading to a world war that will end modern civilization. It’s hard to overstate what a disaster Israel is for the world at large and even its own people.
“I wish Israel and the Jews well”
I don’t
Well said. My turning point was about 10 or 15 years ago when I learned that Holy Land Christians mostly side with the Palestinians. In fact, most of them consider themselves Palestinians. That revelation as well as trolling about it on these message boards and the ignorant reactions I was getting about how it was all lies (it wasn’t) was the source of my red pill. (There is a serious side to my trolling. I argue on the internet for fun, but at the same time, arguing things out helps clarify my thoughts and opinions while having fun with it… Read more »
“My tribe is Christianity,” It shouldn’t be. There are “Christians” all over the world who aren’t us, don’t think like us and wouldn’t lift a finger to help us and might even rob us if given the chance.
My tribe is Northwest Europeans and White people. I’ll side with an atheistic European over an African Christian any day of the week.
That’s a decent point, but it’s all relative. When the question is do you drop a bunch of bombs harming your fellow Christians for the benefit of a group that is non-Christian, I know what my answer is going to be. Those Middle Eastern Christians aren’t going to be that much different than Southern Europeans, by the way. Palestinian Christians are fine people.
I don’t disagree with that part. I just don’t think it should even enter our minds. If Israel was doing what they do without our help or money, I’d just say “well, one group of foreigners killing another group of foreigners. Ain’t my problem!” Hopefully, I would never even hear about it. Sadly, this is not the state of affairs. I’m sure there are many Palestinians, Christian or Muslim who are very fine people. I wish them no ill will. I vehemently oppose supporting Israel’s wars, Gazacide and ethnic problems. Our support of Tel Aviv has made us enemies around… Read more »
So your tribe is Macron, Merkel, Tony Blair, Keir Starmer and Martha Louise?
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These people are white as snow. The problem is that they are post-Christian narcissists.
I’m not foolish enough to believe that just because an individual is White that means they are a good person or someone who I might consider a friend if I got to know them. But the likelihood I will find any individual a worthy friend is much higher of White people than say, African or Asian Christians. Unlike the European, the African or Asian has ethnic considerations that either do not align with my considerations or are outright hostile to mine.
Everything is fixable except genes.
They are fixed at conception and can’t be changed.
Yes, they’re part of the tribe but they’re also the ones who make family gatherings unbearable with their smugness.
It’s better to be the crazy uncle with his conspiracy theories and rants about the Fed.
Nobody said the family wasn’t dysfunctional.
This is one of, if not the top revolting story I have seen so far this year. Chipper shredder the entire “royal” family.
Thank you. Yesterday at mass, it was announced that there would be a second collection for Catholic Charities in order to make up for the shortfall created by the administration.
I didn’t see one person put anything in the baskets as they were passed around. The priest had a look of disbelief on his face, but said nothing. I couldn’t make it to my regular Latin Mass, where such a thing would never happen.
“My tribe is Christianity…”
If you think I feel that some SBC or Episcopalian house of ‘worship; that has the trans flag out front is my ‘tribe’ ….. you have another thing coming. I despise them as much as that other tribe in question – THEY are all the same ‘tribe’ as far as I am concerned.
I dunno. The wife sends me sermons from Dr. Charles Stanley on YouTube. He doesn’t say much if anything at all I disagree with or find offensive. I don’t see Baptists as the enemy even though their granddaddies may have been hanging my granddaddies long, long ago.
That is the point: we don’t have a dog in the fight.
Israel has never been anything except South Africa on steroids…The Stern gang and others drove the British out of Palestine, raped and murdered many Palestinians so they could take over their homes and land, and have continued to do so based on ideology and a fictitious identity as the jews of the Old Testament…Israel abides by no treaties, will not extradite jewish criminals, and is a safe haven for anyone with money…It has a nuclear program based on know-how and materials stolen from the US under the LBJ regime…but denies that fact…Israel has gotten at least $2 trillion from the… Read more »
Oi! Have some respect for the old Republic of South Africa. There’s no comparison.
Z-man: “One reason for this is the heavy-handed tactics employed after October 7 to bully Americans into siding with Israel.“ X-man: “Once you start ‘noticing’ things, you can’t “un-notice” them.“ Kinda difficult to un-notice the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu TURNED OFF the Iron Dome anti-missile system, so as to MAXIMIZE Israehelli casualties during the Flying Lawn Mower incursion. I don’t follow Israehelli politics anymoar, but if there were such a thing as honest j00z [I know, it’s a fantasy], but if there were such a thing as honest j00z, then you’d think they’d be rioting to burn Netanyahu at the… Read more »
They exist, they just call them “self-hating.”
There are plenty of jooz who take no interest in any of this stuff and have virtually the same opinions on most things as we around here have. Just as there are 10s of millions of Whites who agree with us, but we never hear from them. If I thought the political and media class of White people represented White people as a whole, I’d be as anti-White as they are.
Israel has universal health care while Americans struggle to pay for basic health insurance. Israel has a wall while Americans are told that walls are too expensive and it’s wrong to keep out foreigners anyway. The double standard is staggering. Our government shovels billions to Israel while giving the finger to middle America. This isn’t helping Israel’s cause.
Winter: “Israel has universal health care while Americans struggle to pay for basic health insurance.”
Well one way or another, the shiksas & the shegetzes are certainly gonna hafta to pay for all the chair dances at the Bar Mitzvahs & the Bat Mitzvahs; might as well launder the expenses into the Doctor’s bill.
So-called left-wing influencers are aggressively antagonistic toward Israel, siding with the Arabs.
They’ll side with anyone who has dark skin, no matter the ideology. The self-righteousness of White Liberals is second only to their self-loathing.
I suggest you take a gander at the photos of the Israeli hostages. With the exception of that mother and her two red-headed children, not a lot of White skin. To me, many of them looked indistinguishable from the Palestinians. Seems Israels demographics may be changing just as much as AINO’s.
That’s one reason the internet’s attention to Israel since 10/7 has so injured its reputation. The un-curated film we see is of people who are strikingly foreign, not only in appearance. We’re not restricted to the propaganda “girls of the IDF” (Russian girls) or to conservative insistence that Israel is an “outpost of the West.” Israel unfiltered is indistinguishable from its neighbor countries of Arab psychos—visually and behaviorally. I’m half a Jew, and the average Israeli doesn’t look or act like me, let alone like us. It’s not a country of Western settlers, not anymore. It’s not European, demographically or… Read more »
Yep. Ever since the second half of the 60s the Left has viewed Israel as an oppressive white colonial state in lands properly belonging to the sainted wogs. For this reason, Israel had to be destroyed. Even many Leftist Finkels felt that way. It’s no coincidence that Boycott/Divest/Sanction took hold in academia, Leftism’s most complete and redoubtable bastion.
I’ve often suspected that besides hatred of rural Whites, the obsession of White liberals with gun control is that they know that if they had a gun handy, they would feel a strong temptation to off themselves with it. It’s amazing how strong the “death urge” (what Freudians call Thanatos) is with post-Christian Whites. This is why I don’t feel much kinship with the shitlib Whites around me. I can’t say I like the Pajeets or Mexicans much either but most of them seem to be relatively normal, unpretentious people. They still don’t belong here of course but a lot… Read more »
Will you forward this piece to Trump and his administration? With all the front loading of the American war machine happening at Diego Garcia right now and other strategic points, we are a hair trigger away from a major war because of our(bestAlly).
As long as Trump is bought and paid for with jewish money ,Israel is very much relevant. This confrontation with Iran has to stop now. What do you think the assessment from Russia and China is right now.
True, but Trump’s actions only prove Z’s case in a sense. Most of the country looks at Trump’s push against Iran as just bizarre. It has zero public support. Yes, it has 99% support from Congress, but the lack of public support is new. No one cares about Israel. In the past, the American people would have generally supported Israel regardless of the situation.
Even Israel understands this, which is why it wants to use its golem while it can.
Most Israelis think Trump is shining them on https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-two-thirds-of-us-jews-worry-that-trump-could-turn-on-israel-as-he-has-ukraine/
Untrustworthy people tend to have low trust in others.
You do get the feeling though that the Israelis/Jewish community have no Trump card (pardon the pun) on Trump. Yes, he seems to be a MIGA type, but they don’t seem to have any blackmail material on him nor does he need their money. He can make his own decisions and that scares them because they would backstab another group at the drop of a hat.
Good point, a lot of that poll can be explained by projection. A con man thinks everyone is running a con. Trump doesn’t have Jared and Ivanka chirping in his ear this time around which has to be an improvement. That he was able to staff his administration with people who are mostly loyal to him had to limit the access the Israeli lobby has in the White House.
Would you say that America is a reliable ally?
No. We’re terrible. I mean, nobody compares to Jews who literally have no allies and never will, but the US, even w/o the Jewish influence, is right behind Israel.
US foreign policy is religious zealotry, and a zealot will never be satisfied. Jews are just con men.
Easily 2/3 of jews were fervently anti Trump before he returned to DC. Probably the same ones who doubt him now. That stat is about their TDS, not about his sincerity.
The talk/action dynamic turns up all over. He never said a word about USDAID. He has still not said anything about it, but he eliminated it. There are so many issues like this that it cannot be dismissed.
Dismantling USAID is the kill shot to the head of the snake. Hopefully.
It may be that the justification for his whole first term was to learn about the centrality of USAID.
I follow politics closely and I don’t remember every hearing about USAID.
How ’bout you, Z Man or others, did you know of the centrality of USAID?
I am not sure if I wrote about USAID, but I did some shows on the Blob, focusing on parts of USAID like the Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute. On one of the shows about the neocons I talked about NED, which gets the bulk of its money from USDAID.
Frankly, I figured I was maybe one of a handful of people who understood anything about the not-for-=profit labyrinth that I call the Blob. Turns out that some of that handful had Trump’s ear.
“Easily 2/3 of jews were fervently anti Trump before he returned to DC”. They actually voted 4-to-1 against Trump last Nov. And that has always been my problem with “them”. It’s not that they wear small hats, or have big noses, or claim to be the chosen ones. No, I loathe them because at their core they are overwhelmingly leftists and have the money and influence to spread their poisonous ideology across Western (White, Christian) nations as they have been doing for at least the past 100 years. It’s not about anti-semitism, it’s about anti-leftism. As with all hard-core leftists,… Read more »
You are mistaken to classify the chosen as a subset of leftists.
First, giving hundreds of billions of dollars and weapons to Israel is not leftist.
Second, the right wing j3ws are just as likely to be for massive non-white immigration as the left wing ones. They tried to make functionally open borders a conservative value.
They are their own kind of subversive parasite group and try to turn all parties towards their own ends. If we overlook that, we will be tricked by them once again.
I believe Boris was referring to American and perhaps European Jews, not Israelis. And it is unquestionably true that this group is and long has been in the Leftist vanguard. The fact that rightwing Israeli Jews successfully bilk AINO out of billions of shekels doesn’t alter that fact.
My point is that if you think fighting leftism is sufficient to fight subversion by the chosen then you will be unpleasantly surprised by what you overlooked.
Like the paleocons getting defenestrated by the neocons.
I don’t think that was Boris’ point.
That’s correct, Ostei. Thanks. LITS – my point was that if we are fighting leftism we are essentially fighting not only the in-your-face mob we see everyday in the streets, in our work places, in our schools but also the behind-the-scenes “blob” that funds and directs the mob/the hive. The blob directs the mob. And we all know who the blob are. Think George Soros, think Zuckerberg, the Nulands, and tens of thousands of nameless, faceless foot soldiers that carry (maybe literally) the suitcases of cash that fund said mob. Maybe the best analogy would be a comedic one (or… Read more »
This x10,000. Adam Schiff has a direct line ancestor who was a Wall Street tophat financialist who was a primary funder of the Bolsheviks. The internationalism in international communism and in international crony cartel corporatism (globalism) are and have always been just tools in a toolkit for their transnational tribe.
Very well said. This, exactly.
The Finkels are and long have been overwhelmingly Leftist, and for the last 60 years, anti-white racism has been the basis of Leftism. Is it any wonder we watch them with a gimlet and jaundiced eye?
We can hope!
Israel is the crazy EX-Girlfriend who sinks your boat.
You mean USS Liberty?
They’ve certainly been over the top with the Israel support. I sometimes wonder if that’s a deliberate attempt to get the public’s attention focused on our “special relationship”.
Israel has always gotten special treatment from USG, but it’s largely been out of sight, out of mind.
Now Trump is being visibly led by the nose by Israel, and not only isn’t he attempting to camouflage it, he’s pushing it right up in our faces.
That can’t possibly sit well with public opinion, and Trump surely has to know that. What’s going on here?
I think it’s more likely that Trump’s over the top support of Israel is just a tell of who reinstalled him, than it is of 5d chess
After October 7th 2023 there began to be all sorts of delays in Trump’s myriad court cases. It was obvious that the call went out to put everything on ice until the best candidate could be located, and naturally, it was the guy looking at the 80-year prison sentence and the seizure of most of his property.
Yes – why all the (BLM and Antifa) pets were so quiet, unlike 2015-2020. Their masters reined them in (but then who was behind the assassination attempt? MIC faction acting independently of the usual suspects?)
Offhand, I can’t think of any of our actual treaty signatory allies getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar stealing military and state secrets.
For Israel, “our greatest ally”, not only is it routine, our government issues pardons and repatriates them.
Weird.
“That can’t possibly sit well with public opinion, and Trump surely has to know that. What’s going on here?”
He probably thinks he can brazen it out. Sensitivity to the feelings of the public is not his strong suit and arguably it doesn’t matter. His base is probably indifferent to it and I hear that even mild dissent in the MAGA base is no longer allowed. This aside, he is so owned by the Israel Lobby, he may not have any latitude in what he says and does.
Also, I suspect he has a distorted view of things because he’s in a GOP/Fox News bubble. Everybody he talks to or watches on TV has the same views as Ben Shapiro.
Saw a clip of Mark Levin interviewing Pete Hegseth. Gag.
China has recently stated that if Iran is attacked they will back Iran. They did not specify military support but there are lots of ways they can support Iran.
The Russians have a defense pact with Iran. They have pretty much said that if Iran attacks any party they will not necessarily come to their aid. But, if Iran is attacked they have an agreement to assist them. If the assistance only turned out to be air defense, that would still be huge.
One wonders if Trump considers such things.
Z is right to allude to tectonic plates. The changing demographics and the fading of the WWII mythology are unstoppable forces moving against Israel and its dominance of US foreign policy. Young people look at the events of WWII (if they look at all) as they would Caesar’s Gaul campaign. Or, even worse for Israel, as a young white would look at some long ago fight b/w China and Mongolia.
Young Americans are separated from WWII – from which Israel and Jews in general get their moral authority with Boomers – by time and race. That will only get worse.
Yes. Israel knows the gravy train is ending, too, and that is why the ethnic cleansing of Arabs was dialed up. You see a similar dynamic with the Euro Clowns.
Can’t blame them. They correctly view Oct. 7 as their last chance to grab Gaza and the West Bank and kick out the Palestinians. As the US fades, that goal will get exponentially harder.
Go try to point this out to my fellow boomers on Conservative treehouse. You will give most of them the Vapors even though their motto is: The Truth Has no Agenda.
Yes. And all demographics are against Israel, including their own. The religious Jews who won’t fight in the IDF are the fastest-growing cohort in Israel. Now Iran has 80 million people. Egypt has even more. When I ask my Jewish friends what the plan is for Iran, the answer is: “We attack them, [some magic occurs], the Iran problem is solved.” Jews are very smart and pragmatic, but like everyone else they are vulnerable to magical thinking when facing intractable problems.
Yes, the demographics in Israel are an issue. A lot of Jews point to Israel’s birthrate with pride, but they never mention that it’s the orthodox and not the Ashkenazi having most of the kids. Compared to the rest of the world, secular Jews have a pretty good birth rate of 2.0. But religious Jews in Israel have a birth rate of 4 and the Haredi have a rate of 6.5. The Haredi are 13% of Israel now but will be 16% by 2030, which means that the under 40 population will be ~25% Haredi. (They’re already 20% of students.)… Read more »
“We attack them.” By we they mean the U.S.
The typical young American couldn’t even tell you when WWII happened, much less what happened.
I remember reading, probably here, that Eisenhower went around asking American soldiers if they knew why they were fighting. 90% said they had no idea. I expect that the other 10% were the dumbest decile who thought they fought for ‘democracy’. So, add ‘why’ to ‘when’ and ‘what’ and thus it ever was for we Merkans.
The same was asked of soldiers fighting in Iraq. Many different replies.
Mom and apple pie! What else?
Quite true. In addition, the few young people who know anything about WWII are the same ones who would be listening to people like Rogan, Tucker and Martyr Made.
The WWII myth is coming to an end.
The behaviour of many American politicians makes it plausible Mossad’s got something on them. What could better explain it?
Despite being the most believable recent conspiracy theory, this is the only one still unproven. We know Covid leaked from a lab and that governments were in league with private businesses to stymie free speech, but that Epstein material somehow stays hidden.
Read “One Nation Under Blackmail” by Whitney Webb. The IC has been at this for nearly a century. It is not just Mossad.
cf. Epstein, J., and Maxwell, G.
Blackmail is part of it. But the real influence is the money that flows from US taxpayers to our politicians, laundered through Israel, and thousands of NGOs along the way. Support for Ukraine in Congress is built with this same template.
This. It is pathetic and sad how amenable to bribes United States senators and congressmen are. As we are learning via USAID, all foreign spending ultimately is domestic spending and theft. Israel was an early adopter of the bribery model but it has competition now and may no longer be the top dog. If the money gets right, federal legislators may in time decide “who we are” wear turbans rather than yarmulkes. Also watch for which nation follows the Ukraine in the money laundering department; my money is on an Asian nation that suddenly needs protection from China and whatever… Read more »
“how amenable to bribes United States senators and congressmen are.”
It may not even be bribes. They will be unseated by pro-Zionist money supporting other candidates should they take a critical stance towards Israel. There are several such examples. The USA has a pay-to-play political system.
I suspect that is their greatest fear. Being voted out of office is the politician’s greatest nightmare.
Because being voted out of office means losing access to the bribes, insider trading, kickbacks, and other grifts.
Jack’s point still stands.
I think blackmail is certainly part of it, but I also think it’s as simple as money and comfort. All these guys get AIPAC money, but it’s not just the money, it’s the connections, the free trips, the “benefits” of those trips, the endless money that flows even after you leave Congress. And at some point the system self-selects for this. People who aren’t willing to play ball just don’t bother getting started in it. Yea, Mossad might videotape that fun time you have with the hired help in Tel Aviv, but it’s not like you don’t want to be… Read more »
“People who aren’t willing to play ball”
Those who don’t get unseated.
Well, the system is set up to filter those people out long before they get near DC, and is very good at that – because unseating someone is expensive, time-consuming, and risky (see Jamaal Bowman’s race).
They had to go and get rid of a few people who showed a glimmer of a conscience after witnessing Israel’s insane behavior in Gaza, but that is not the normal order of operations.
You know it’s bad when even a commenter who is as pro Trump as the Zman has been the last couple months calls the Trump admin’s support for Israel cartoonish. We aren’t even 3 months in yet and MIGA is a meme even on the right. In light of this, it seems a little ironic that Daily Wire’s USAID money was cut off. Incompetence, perhaps.
i can’t help noticing that team trump did not release all the docs on the
uss Liberty incident.
Argentine President released hidden information on mustache mans migration to his country after WW2. So there’s that. As in our country they are all playing us.
I suspect this will only be used to generate more revenues for the eternal victims.
Yes. The goy cow will be milked harder and harder as the sympathy dries up. Even people outside of this sphere have started to notice how bizarre it is that Holocaust Museums are built in Western countries that sided with the communists and Jews against the Axis, that the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews never help the former while they are being ethnically cleansed, etc. And it is hard to play the victim card while engaged in genocide.
In Serbia, Armenia, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq, US foreign policy has been disastrous for Christians.
NOT a coincidence!
I saw on the news LAST WEEK about a new Holocaut memorial opening in Florida. DeSantis was there talking about it alongside a decrepit guy who claimed to be a Holocaust survivor (of course we are at the point where they all are decrepit).
Has there ever been a place on earth more welcoming and hospitable to Jews than Florida? Maybe New York? How many people from Florida died in the Western Front? Why do we need so many of these museums and memorials paired with the usual goy-blaming?
I never thought of it before, but the increasing Jewishness of that state might be a reason why it has also been falling out of favor with people. Places like Arizona and the West are increasingly popular for retirement these days. Makes me wonder if the non-Jewishness of these places is one reason why.
Eh. I think it has more to do with being overcrowded, expensive, and hurricane-prone.
Nobody goes to Florida anymore, it’s too crowded
It’s also de classe. People don’t really aspire to move their anymore in retirement. It’s considered tacky and full of undesirables among many. You’re right, it may just be because it’s overcrowded.
When will the memorial be built for transgender mutilation survivors and raped children. All brought to you by our juice “friends”.
Ever notice that we never get a Hurricane Schlomo or a Tropical Storm Tevye?
I’m still waiting on Hurricane Quintavious or Laquisha.
The Miami (Fla.) athletic program is full of ’em…
Which is strange. If you’d ever taken a stroll past the Macy’s fur counter on the way to shop for luggage in the golden days of yore, you’d know that a honking great self-caricaturing subset of the Chosen distaff had extremely well developed noses for the finer points of meteorological phenomena mitigation.
Argentina will now have to pay reparations.
Argentina was probably the biggest recipient of jewish immigration after the US and Israel. They came along with the alleged bad guys.
that isn’t news; given mengle drowned in brasil, and eichman was captured in argentina.
I used to read and post on Instapundit. I’ve been kicked off of that page so many times I’ve lost count. It has to be dozens over the last 10 or 12 years. The reason I get booted from there is because I’ve always been critical of our greatest ally and more recently the Ukraine propaganda in my own snarky and mocking smartass way. More recently, I’ve been back bragging about how I was right about Ukraine (and Q) and how they’re just a bunch of normie suckers who lap up whatever propaganda they are fed. 😂 Other times, I… Read more »
You just say that because you are one of those who won’t be Raptured.
it really is like that. most of what they post is a link to Twitter anyway. comments are garbage and always have been. in a word, mindless.
Foreign entanglements. Abrahamic religions. Governmental sized grift waste and fraud. These monkeys on our backs never seem to take a break. Our relationship with Israel is a symptom of a deeper problem. Let the United States worry about the United States.
One additional point of Israel influence are the evangelicals who think current Jews in Israel are the same Jews mentioned in the Bible. Spoiler alert: they aren’t. These are the same boomers who say “Judeo-Christian”. Ever hear a Jew say that?
“Ever hear a Jew say that [Judeo-Christian]?”
Both Dennis Prager and Ben Shapiro say it.
They say it to manipulate their gentile viewers into supporting Israel.
Jews love saying that because they are desperate to tether our fate to theirs. If you monitor pro-Israel tactics, you’ll notice their favorite thing to do is to say the we (Christians and Jews) are in this together, for Western Civilization or Judeo-Christian values or some other BS manipulation tactic that only ends with Christians giving their blood and/or treasure for Jewish interests.
Only when speaking to a gentile audience. Don’t kid yourself and think that’s what they say when the rubes aren’t around. It’s also funny how they invented the phrase to put their ethno-religion first. People might say that’s because the OT comes before the NT, but they’d be surprised to find that even devout Jews are about as Biblically literate in the OT as a Sikh is. Their primary book, the Talmud, is younger than the Bible by a few centuries and almost as new as the Koran.
The possible fly I see in the ointment is Trump blabbing about “bad things” happening to Iran re their supposed nuclear program. Apparently, military assets are accumulating at Diego Garcia. I find it hard to believe we’d actually attack Iran, even at the behest of our “greatest ally”, especially when Trump is pushing so hard for peace in Ukraine. While I’d love to see it fade away, that damned country just won’t.
A hard lesson of Trump is that the more he speaks of something, the less likely he is to do it.
I’d guess that Bessent has told Trump that a serious attack on Iran is out of the question.
“Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.” My vague impression is that Trump does not move serious assets around when he is blustering. This would suggest that Trump is making a credible threat on the assumption that Iran will fold and allow the old restrictions to be put on a nuclear program that they do not have. Which would make Trump look good and ostensibly avoid a war in his mind. The first problem is that Trump is not acting in good faith, even to the extent he likely thinks he is. This concession will be the first… Read more »
Every other goal of Trump – bringing back manufacturing, getting the 10-year rate down, attacking the Blob, etc. – gets blown out the window w/ a serious attack on Iran. Oil immediately spikes. Bond yields spike. Stock market dives. And that’s just from an air attack.
The US simply can’t afford to attack Iran in any way that disrupts the flow of oil. The Israeli Lobby is extremely powerful, but it’s not as powerful as the bond market.
“The Israeli Lobby is extremely powerful, but it’s not as powerful as the bond market.”
That’s not correct.
Nobody is as powerful as the bond market. Jews can’t blackmail or bribe the bond market. Sure, they could get the Fed to pump money into the system or Congress to do something, but that creates other issues.
If the bond market turns against you, it’s over.
Agreed, except I think bonds would rally on recession fears and flight to quality. That said, our Overlords haven’t thought through the second-order effects of such an attack. This assumes it even works – it’s the most telegraphed attack of all time. Meanwhile, our foreign policy is: “if you try to get nuclear weapons, we will attack you. If you don’t, we will regime change you.” And we’re amazed this doesn’t create peace on earth.
Trumps own CIA is telling him that Iran has no nukes and they are not attempting to make any. If Trump had any common sense he would understand that the Russians will see to it that Iran never has nukes.
An oil spike means both falling stocks and inflation. Btw, tax receipts are now tied to stock performance.
Bomb Iran = higher inflation & stock market crash
Higher inflation = higher bond yields
Falling stocks = lower tax receipts
Lower tax receipts & higher yields = more bond issuance to make up the gap and pay more interest costs
More bonds = higher interest rates
Higher rates = more bond issuance, recession and falling stocks
All of those = lower tax receipts & higher spending = more bond issuance
Etc.
It would be the end of the Trump America First program.
When did it start??
Hope springs eternal!
If the events of 10/7/2023 occurred in 1998, then there would be monuments to the forty beheaded babies in major American cities by now. That lie more than any other made people seek out alternative sources. Then we got to see Israel’s horrific actions in Gaza and also see our horrible government officials suppoorting all of it. The Netanyahu speech might be the most shameful and craven display ever seen in our Congress and that is saying something. I am frustrated that Trump is wasting his political capital deporting people who criticized Israel and restarting a bombing campaign that already… Read more »
Well put on all counts
I suspect that someone pulled Trump aside a year or two ago and said, “Your choices are 1. die in prison, or 2. if you get reelected, let Israel pick your foreign policy team”. I don’t remember him being this over the top-ly pro-Israel the first time around.
Also, it’s funny that Trump has made such noises about releasing the full unredacted JFK assassination and 9/11 files while at the same time being willing to fully support and assist with Israel’s murderous criminal rampages. Surely he must see the contradictions.
I think this is the right take. Trump would probably love to free himself of their influence, and that is our greatest hope. However, unless Michael Waltz is fired and replaced by, say, Michael Anton (Sorry, Z), I think there will be a war with Iran and the Ukraine war will continue, more or less unabated. Additionally, they are well aware of the coming demographic and infographic realities. If there is a conflict with Iran, I expect that will be an excuse to codify the ludicrously broad IHRA definition of antisemitism into federal law, and anyone deemed in violation will… Read more »
I’d add that the reaction to Oct. 7 told the Jews that they couldn’t trust the Dems, so they wanted Trump back in.
I wish he would, but this time with a cooler head. I am sick of the shenanigans.
Ben Shapiro’s tweet that he didn’t give a “good damn about the so-called browning of America” came back to bite him, and it bit him good. In the 2015s, a notorious online trolling tactic back when The Federalist, NRO, and everybody else had open comment sections was to point out that if you love Israel and want the US to keep supporting them, you need to halt all non-white migration to the US as the levels of support for Israel among the “Global South” is at or around 0% (with the exception of Indians, who are shameless in their groveling… Read more »
“I read somewhere that over 60% of Israelis have bad allergies towards olive trees. Seems like they picked a bad place to live.”
Perhaps they would be more comfortable back in their shtetls?
No wonder they bulldoze them with such fervor.
Not only is Trump’s support for Israel cartoonish, it is also radically out of step with the America First program he promotes. It also suggest that Trump’s support is for sale and all that Adelson money bought his fanatical support for Israel.
I think Trump’s Israel support has several reasons. First, yes financial. Second, he has probably bought into the “chosen people” belief that these are biblical Jews. Third, he is somewhat Reagan-like in his foreign policy and sees them as allies. Fourth, he may view it as a necessary evil to get other more important agenda items accomplished. I don’t think he understands how toxic they actually are to his agenda. What would be hilarious is watching the anti-Israel left do a 180 if he dropped his Israel support and agreed with them.
I think that the percentage of Jews who can be fairly classified as “International Jews” using Henry Ford’s meaning has not been lower in 2 millennia. This does make those who are not IJ’s good people or friends or allies, but merely that they are choosing a different collective behavioral pattern. Most Israeli’s, for example, are not IJ’s according to the traditional classificatory label but they see us as and use us like food animals without any moral qualms, because according to their ethnonational culture that is what we (and everyone else) are. I think Pres. Trump is trying to… Read more »
The US Air Force has a fleet of 20 B2 stealth bombers, of which only about half are airworthy at any time. Seven of these are now parked in Diego Garcia (at enormous expense) awaiting orders to bomb Iran. Is this a bluff or is it the potential trigger for WW3? And all of this is being down on orders from Netanyahoo. How far we have fallen.
Short of dropping nukes, what can a few air strikes do to an ancient civilization, other than make them angry? Makes about as much sense as picking a war with Russia right on its border. Less even. At least there you’ve got some Ukrainian cannon fodder to use to bleed the Russians. So, my conclusion is bluff. Or nukes.
“Israel is a small country. Naturally, it cannot remain at the top of America’s priority list. Furthermore, the Israel Lobby represents only a tiny fraction of the American public.” You are taking way too sanguine a view of the supposedly declining influence of the Israel Lobby. These days I have to preface my remarks by stating I’m not an anti-semite nor making anti-semitic remarks. With this administration, an anti-Israeli genocide stance has been openly conflated with anti-semitism and is serving as the basis for governmental actions outside the law and certainly outside any precedent. The Israel Lobby owns Trump lock,… Read more »
People deeply invested in the Israel Lobby cannot imagine it ever not being the omnipotent force of nature they imagine. Nothing lasts forever. This is, in fact, integral to Jewish identity. The curse of the eighth decade is real.
Regarding those comments about Trump’s distractedly talking about nonsense, I can understand the frustration because I share it. But I don’t see the other work stopping, waiting for him to bring it up in public. Z-man said the more Trump talks about something the less likely it is to happen, and I think this is so. But what soes happen is the enemy media spins around in circles like mad, reacting to every silly thing he says. I don’t believe in 4D chess but I do believe in distracting an opponent then smashing them from an unexpected direction. Trump can… Read more »
“Even Democrats act as though Israel is their ancestral homeland.”
Not certain whose homeland it was, but many things cast increasing doubts on the claims of the Jewish diaspora.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7865114/
They are as likely to have originated from Phoenicians, the colonizers of the Mediterranean, who perhaps converted to Judaism and intermarried with Europeans and North Africans. This could explain their mercantile instincts, which the ancient Hebrews were remarkably deficient in. The Judeans of Jesus’ day, intermixed with Arabs, could be some of the same ones being bombed by today’s “Jews”. Curiously, the canonical origin story of the Jews is not too dissimilar to that of Mormonism or British-Israelism.
I’ll settle that one with some simple history. The Northern 10 Tribes don’t exist and haven’t existed since they were conquered by the Assyrians. The Assyrians had a specific policy of how they delt with people who couldn’t be governed, even when granted autonomy. They’d yank their army back, roll through again, kill as many people as was logistically feasible, and take the rest to resettle in other areas as they marched back to wherever the army that got stood up to put them down was going back to. They also resettled the conquered region with other people from other… Read more »
In 20 years, Babul Shabbir of The Daily Gujarat will be selling tickets to Amritsar.
More likely Bhopal.
“The Israel Lobby foolishly aligned itself with the unstable elements of the left” A couple of years ago there was a TV commercial making the rounds on air, sponsored by some Israeli tourism board. It featured two characters talking to camera as they were shown having no end of fun in the Not So Holy Land. The characters selling us on how delightful Israel is were two clearly homosexual males in their twenties, with freakish clothing, hairstyles and hair color; one of them was obviously intended to be “genderfluid,” with lots of makeup. Xhe looked like no one so much… Read more »
Israelis in American media used to always be tough and pious, meant to evoke the Americans of the Old West. The boomer right has those Israelis in mind. I assume they’re like that on Fox, still. When “the left” thinks positively of Israel, it thinks of Tel Aviv: world capital of non-heterosexual perversion, as it proudly advertises. There are two Israels, one representative of its peoples’ heritage and one that’s just globohomo—which one could contend is simply rule by American Jews. The latter Israel was really “feeling itself” until recently, when 10/7 derailed its color revolution. Maybe that’s why it… Read more »
One thing to consider, Normies and NPCs do not respond to rhetoric but dialect. The Boomer Cons and Grill Cons do not care if full blown war is imminent with Iran and Russia- my sports game is on TV and everything will be fine, trust the plan. This is a prominent view within evangelicals and charismatic Christianity.
What utter bullshit. there is every doubt that Israel is the victim because it isn’t.
The victim are the people of Palestine who had Europe’ s Jewish problem vomited onto them.
“The message that you should be nice to others and refrain from stuff like imperial exploitation would hardly have transformed the ancient world and haunted the conscience of mankind for several civilizations to come. A man who preached such watery doctrine wouldn’t be worth crucifying.”
JS
unless he gathered followers by performing miracles
OT: a little. imo trump seems like he is manic right now; flailing around and not making much progress anywhere. i get the sense there is some medical event or condition going on.
Another factor that you did not mention is that Israel has been thrashing round for going on 2 years in dealing with Gaza. A poor city state. Which make sIsrael look week. Really week. Frankly, its pathetic. Very pathetic in a bd way. In the past Israel beat much larger aggressive neighbors in short sharp wars lasting a matter of weeks. And as the saying goes, people follow a strong horse. But now, they spent 18months blowing up shit in Gaza and they basically havent made any progress on ending Hamas – which is just a bunch of thugs. Its… Read more »
The Israeli citizen, I believe, has finally been prepared to exterminate Palestinians both west and east. What measures such a project would mean for Israeli Arabs I do not know. I had a long conversation with one Israeli woman who, only after a long conversation, let the final solution slip. But, they don’t seem to know how to do it, or perhaps agree on the means. 2.2 million in Gaza alone, and the Israelis know no one is foolish enough to take them in, leaving the final solution as the only option. I think they will run out of gas… Read more »
It used to be that Israel was the West’s tripwire on the frontlines of a dangerous frontier.
But, now that the enemy, Islam, is within our gates we don’t need her anymore.
As a security barricade, both Israel and NATO have failed us miserably. Communism and Islam, just opposite sides of the same coin, have infiltrated our beloved European home, and now they sharpen their knives as they eye our North American retreats.
Barbara Lerner Spectre. Look it up.