Artificial Tay Tay

Note: Last night, Paul and I did a whole show on AI and the possible consequences of humanity being enslaved by robots. You can watch the replay here and here.


An unresolved mystery in popular culture is why Taylor Swift has become a megastar on the level of Elvis and Michael Jackson. There are plenty of simple explanations like her songs resonate with young females or she is non-threatening, but those apply to many pop stars, yet none have reached the heights of Swift. There is an answer, and it lies in the fundamentals of human psychology, but that answer also suggests that Swift is the death of the pop star phenomenon.

The place to start is with the most popular answer to why Swift is the biggest pop star of the 21st century: her lyrics. The most popular explanation for Swift’s popularity with young females is her songs resonate with them. Yet when you look at her most popular songs, they predate her supposedly young female audience. Her biggest hit is from seventeen years ago. Her next biggest is from eleven years ago. Most of her big hits are from over a decade ago.

That is the strange thing about Taylor Swift. Everyone assumes that her core audience is young females, but in reality, it is middle-aged single white women. Taylor Swift is a middle-aged woman performing hits from over a decade ago. She is a strange mix of current fads and recent nostalgia. Look at her audience and it is the young-ish females you see kicking around the cubicle farms of corporate America, and thirsty males who think a Taylor Swift concert is an opportunity for them.

As to the lyrics of the songs, there is nothing to suggest they are the hook that reels in her core audience. They are echolalic babbling. Pop music at its best is doggerel set to a simple but catchy tune. Most pop songs, especially female power pop, have a simple chorus that expresses a simple emotion, while the rest is gibberish. That is what you see with Taylor Swift songs. Her music also comes with helpful expositions so the listener can contextualize the simple chorus.

The point here is that there is nothing unique about what Taylor Swift is doing to explain her massive popularity. Her formula is the same as every female pop star when it comes to the music itself. Watch a Swift concert, however, and it is clear that the audience is not there for the music. They are there to see Swift. Like Elvis seventy years ago, Swift is popular for being Taylor Swift now. Her popularity rests on being a social phenomenon to her audience.

She is a social phenomenon because she brings other things to the female pop star formula that suggest she may be the last human pop star. The first thing to note is Swift is what young guys call “mid”. Now that she is pushing forty, she is getting a bit dumpy, but even in her prime she was a solid seven, the sort of girl old women would describe as pretty, which meant not homely but not sexy. In fact, her unique quality in the pop ranks is she lacks anything resembling sex appeal.

There is one caveat here: she has naturally unique eyes. This may be why she is so wildly popular with near-middle-age white women. White women put enormous importance on their eyes because it is hugely important to white people, who have a staggering variety of eye colors compared to nonwhites. A woman’s eyes are what will catch the attention of a male, which is why there is so much diversity in the eye color of people from Europe, especially northern Europe.

Women’s makeup puts the focus on the eyes. In some countries, like Iceland, women use makeup so you cannot help but focus on their eyes. In a land full of the most beautiful women on earth, the eyes are what matter. As women age, they tend to focus more on their hair and makeup, with the eyes being the focus. It is also why overweight women tend to wear a lot of makeup. The otherwise average-looking Taylor Swift is an appealing role model for her audience due to her eyes.

There is also the fact that Swift seems to be a boring person. There is no drama in her life or sex tapes leaked on the internet. The few interviews she gives are as compelling as watching paint dry. The closest she gets to drama is dating a football player who is not the quarterback or a superstar. For the women who could not land the star quarterback in high school, this makes Swift weirdly relatable. For her audience, Taylor Swift is the mirror who says they are the fairest of them all.

There are other things leading to Swift’s stardom, but the picture that emerges from these general observations is that it is a formula. Pop music has always relied on these formulas, but they were based on wisdom and experience. Now they can be based on massive data sets crunched by artificial intelligence. The data from who consumes different types of pop music can be combined with the human sciences, the history of pop music, and the software to create the music.

Soon, maybe even now, music executives can ask a couple of DOGE kids to create a pop star maker. They will be given access to the history of pop music, demographics of the current audience, and the quickly growing body of information from the human behavior sciences. They will then produce the attributes of stars in each music genre, their target audience, and expected revenue numbers. In other words, templates for every form of popular musical star.

Instead of hiring actors to play the part, like the boy band producers did in the last century, the music execs will ask their AI engineers to create them. The technology can already produce the audio, and the video will be here soon. That means in weeks an artificial Tay Tay can be beamed to the mobile devices of the target audience and through social media. Their reaction to the “new act” can be used to subtly tweak the “artist’s” algorithm based on those responses.

This may sound absurd but watch a Taylor Swift show and what you see are people holding up their mobile devices. People under the age of forty experience the world now through their mobile device. Theirs is already a meta-existence when it comes to experiencing things in the meatspace. This is accelerating with each wave of people entering adulthood. What matters to them most is not flesh and blood humans, but the avatars in the alternative reality of the internet.

Even if it does not reach the point of replacing humans entirely, it is easy to see why the pop star will not survive much longer. Taylor Swift is proof of concept. She is highly controllable, does not create drama, and ticks the necessary boxes that the formula says are required to be a star. Mass-producing many versions of this with cheaply acquired talent and software is the logical next step, maybe even allowing fans to create their own version of their favorite act.

That is the other thing AI will bring to music. Based on prompts and reactions from the target audience, the act can quickly evolve to their liking. The same process by which you prompt AI to create an image can be silently incorporated into the production of the next Taylor Swift. Not only can AI make the next Taylor Swift, but it will also allow the listener to create their own Taylor Swift. Artificial intelligence will allow everyone to have their own artificial reality in which their Taylor Swift speaks to them.

All of this assumes that some as yet unforeseen consequence to the rollout of AI does not bring the roof down on all of us. Even what we can contemplate opens the doors for life-altering consequences. Technology has destroyed the societal consensus. Just imagine what happens when we have our own popular reality stars. Even so, what Taylor Swift tells us is that the pop star as a human phenomenon is dead. She is the proof of concept that will lead to the Artificial Tay Tay.


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My Comment
My Comment
18 hours ago

Women also love Taylor Swift because they are told to love TS in the same way they are told to hate Big Orange and White Supremacy. All of which goes to Z’s point. If women are told to love an AI star, who knows, they may love an AI star. The only thing I’m not sure about is to what extent AI won’t be able to capitalize on their need to look at the star and think “that could be me!” it might come down to the degree of realism of the AI star. If something feels real to a… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  My Comment
17 hours ago

Yeah, women are known to let’s say, follow the pack. They’re even known to be pack enforcers.
I remember as a young lad, seeing video of all those young white women going apeshit for The Beatles on Ed Sullivan. And this was the 1960s, when white women weren’t as retarded as they are now. I thought, geez, are women really this f**king nuts?

ray
ray
Reply to  Marko
16 hours ago

Females are herd beings. Easily manipulated and controlled by social cueing, positioning and related phenomena.

The past half-century as eternal proof.

As for the Fab Four, look at the clips of concerts back then. It was not women filling the auditoriums, screaming and gyrating wildly — it was ADOLESCENT GIRLS. To explain that would require an entire essay, but be assured it has to do with sexuality and the onrushing Feminist Age.

Last edited 16 hours ago by ray
Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  ray
15 hours ago

Their mothers in the 40s were just as nuts about Frank Sinatra, a man with all the sex appeal of a corpse..

My Comment
My Comment
Reply to  Dutchboy
14 hours ago

Yes, the bobbysoxers have been memory holed but were as nuts as the Beatles screaming females hordes

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Dutchboy
14 hours ago

Not the handsomest guy to ever come down the pike, but apparently had gobs of charisma.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 hours ago

I find him repellant but then, I am a guy.

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Dutchboy
12 hours ago

You ever seen the elia kazan movie “a face in the crowd”? It’s about a guy who is a cross between Elvis and Charles Manson and is about the supposed dangers that the TV could unleash

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Dutchboy
9 hours ago

Concerning Sinatra, watch this entire vidya…

https://tinyurl.com/y4yjwx74

And pay special attention to Sinatra’s final Stage Left to Stage Right strut…

I was always a Sinatra sceptic, until I stumbled upon that strut.

He had some legit pizzazz in his act.

Gotta acknowledge it.

Credit where credit is due.

The diction & the rhythm alone are A+++.

Last edited 9 hours ago by NoName
usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  ray
11 hours ago

I think I read somewhere that the Beatles quit doing live performances because the screaming was so loud the music could hardly be heard. Hell, my wife watches the Kelly clarkson show and it’s exactly the same, tho on a much smaller scale. And to think some of those screamers may grow up to be your governor, senator or ceo, lol.

ray
ray
Reply to  usNthem
8 hours ago

The Beatles were interested in the music, whereas for the girl-fans it was about some type of primitive, collectivized sexual frenzy. . . with attendant screaming, of course.

Straight outta a D.H. Lawrence short story.

By no means a new phenomenon in human experience. Their early shows were more of a fertility rite than concert.

So yeah the Beatles concentrated on studio productions and dumped the live shows.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  Marko
16 hours ago

I dunno Marko. I look at the women out at the little chapel in the country I go to and those women are different animals for the most part. They’re smart, warm, practical and critical thinkers. They’re all happily married, with tons of happy kids and being there is like being in a Norman Rockwell painting. The big struggle for them is raising their kids and keeping the hooks of pop culture away from their kids. They are not always successful. But they are not loons. By contrast the women from my former progressive family are just horrid. None are… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Filthie
16 hours ago

Do you live in some sort of utopian commune in remotest Alberta?

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
15 hours ago

There are a couple posters whose commentary on women constantly throws off “it’s all da wayman’s fault” vibes. There’s also a lot of older bachelors on this discussion forum. Thus, there tends to be edge about the other half of humanity. Two posts are looking at their women at their worst, in their teenage years. The other poster is looking at the best situation, which is a free woman married, who loves her children and husband. The later does exist, even if older bachelor men don’t have an example in their immediate vicinity. That’s why feminism is so destructive to… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Wiffle
14 hours ago

It’s ok, lady. You can write our names, you don’t have to make anon accusations. (You wimmin shore do love you some accusations, hmm?)

And on this small island of truth amidst the continent of lies that is our feminist society, we don’t have to think what you want. Lady.

BTW I call out simps and cucks constantly, including on this page. I also call out dotter-daddies, who are the hidden drivers of our gynarchies.

You can’t handle the truth about yourselves, mebbe head on over to Snopes or HuffPost? They’ll tell you what you want to hear over there.

Last edited 14 hours ago by ray
Lakelander
Lakelander
Reply to  ray
12 hours ago

Ray is our chief misogynist. If more men had kept their pimp hand strong like him over the last century, we wouldn’t be dealing with these implacable gynarchies all over the West.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Lakelander
12 hours ago

pointing out the truth about the general population makes one a misogynist?

ray
ray
Reply to  Mr. House
11 hours ago

Thanks. But that word was tongue-in-cheek I expect. The women in my past and present would refute that I hate women. I take the (authentic, not Churchian) Christian position about females, and I assert that female rulership of the Western nations is the chief cause of their decline, atomization and psycho-spiritual sickness. I do not want women and their hirelings to rule over me, over my brothers, and over my nation. If U.S. men really loved women, and if dotter-daddies really loved their girls, they would never groom them for the feminist life. But New Amerika has made it very… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  ray
11 hours ago

You’re welcome, but i wasn’t defending you. Its very common these days for people calling you a name for pointing out reality. Getting tired of it. Everything is inverted, Shame Shame Shame, but not for the people who deserve it.

https://youtu.be/ODvS1PPW_xI

Lakelander
Lakelander
Reply to  Mr. House
11 hours ago

“But that word was tongue-in-cheek I expect.”

Bingo! I feel the exact same way that Ray does about women as described in his post, I was not naming or shaming him. Remember, anything short of effusive praise for women makes you a misogynist these days.

ray
ray
Reply to  Lakelander
8 hours ago

I wear the title proudly and have been called that countless times over the past 3 decades of my men’s advocacy.

Cheers!

redbeard
redbeard
Reply to  Wiffle
7 hours ago

You sure you dont mean when boomers enter the room?

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 hours ago

I suppose I do, maybe? A little bit? I was blessed with a good woman. We just had our big 40 last month. I don’t get it – there are any number of men here better than I who’ve been cursed with ghastly wives and exes they did not deserve. For some reason I won the wife lottery. So far I’ve been blessed with a mostly good church too. We’ve had queers, “female clerics” and feminists, and socialists take their runs at us but none of it ever amounts to anything. In our church the Bible says what it means… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Filthie
15 hours ago

 “They’re all happily married, with tons of happy kids.” Bingo!

Grant
Grant
Reply to  Filthie
13 hours ago

That’s because those women are part of a healthy herd. Women are thermometers, not thermostats. If you’re looking at the women of an area and they look like Mad Max extras as they engage in mindless consumerism with nary a child in sight, they’re loyal devotees of clownworld, and they live in it. If you’re looking at the women of an area and they are modestly dressed and with children, you’re looking at somebody from the “return to sanity” camp. Likewise, the area they inhabit is probably a healthy place. Women typically act as enforcers for the status quo and/or… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Marko
15 hours ago

Look up the etymology of the word “hysteria.”

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Marko
15 hours ago

It sickens me to see photos of masses of young screaming women around some little bieber. epitome of sick, insane, godless society.

what is the male equivalent of female mass hysteria around a pop star? Maybe it’s simping for a stripper or onlyfans ho.

My Comment
My Comment
Reply to  fakeemail
14 hours ago

“what is the male equivalent of female mass hysteria”

Sportsball?

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  My Comment
13 hours ago

there it is, we have a winner!

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  fakeemail
12 hours ago

Joe Rogan

Tritarch
Tritarch
Reply to  fakeemail
6 hours ago

“God-Emperor Trump”

I am impressed how quickly that got memory-holed and depressed I had to mention it at this late hour.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Marko
14 hours ago

It’s not just women. A lot of men are the same way, though women probably are worse in this aspect. We’re tribal in nature and want to fit in with the group. Social cues are one of the ways this is done. It’s why so much of this is done through celebrities. Men tend to adapt to what women want, so controlling the women tends to controlling the men as a side effect.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
14 hours ago

If men adapt to what women want, who controls whom?

Ben Jonson’s quote springs to mind.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
14 hours ago

Men tend to adapt to what women want, so controlling the women tends to controlling the men as a side effect.”

Bingo! It is all about control. If you haven’t, i suggest you read the book the postman, much better then the movie and the author has some interesting thoughts on what you just stated.

ray
ray
Reply to  Mr. House
11 hours ago

Power and control is what it’s all about. Not bettering one’s society, not improving the next generation, not Saving the World.

Power and control.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  My Comment
16 hours ago

Important to remember that Talyor Swift’s father (Scott Swift) is a finance guy (Swift Group under Merrill Lynch).

The whole Tay Tay enterprise has been managed as a serious business from day one.

I personally don’t understand the appeal, but she had an in credible advantage from day one by not having to count on the carnies that run music labels.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  ProZNoV
15 hours ago

Yes, it’s quite clear that the last pop stars exist as a result of blueblood business connections. Pop culture channels keep asking why Pedro Pascal (probably not completely hispanic), Zendaya, and Rachel Ziegler keep their jobs. It has to do with deep connections into the industry, not their talent.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Wiffle
14 hours ago

Pedro Pascal’s uncle was a spook connected to the US in his home country, i suspect that is how Pedro got here and landed his career. Did some research on him in 2020 when he had a big mouth and was acting stupid.

ray
ray
Reply to  Mr. House
11 hours ago

I would not be surprised at all to discover connections between the CIA and Swift. Swift clearly is a Manufactured Entity, of great use to a nation desiring to emasculate the citizenry.

It was the CIA and the Rockefellers, chiefly, that shepherded the U.S. into gynolatry and gynocracy.

Last edited 11 hours ago by ray
Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  Mr. House
9 hours ago

I never heard of Pedro Pascal until now.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  My Comment
16 hours ago

Everything is fake and gay in the Empire of Lies, Usury, Sodomy, and Diversity. Rule by merchants must end.

ray
ray
Reply to  Horace
16 hours ago

Amen.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Horace
15 hours ago

That means the end of liberal capitalism. I would prefer Christian monarchy myself (real monarchy, not the fake variety as in Britain). I understand that such a change would be a longshot, esp. in the anti-monarchical USA and that the actual replacement for liberal capitalism could be worse.

Harbinger
Harbinger
17 hours ago

Anyone else here old enough to recall the Brady Bunch episode in which Greg Brady was going to be promoted as a pop star? Was it his singing skill, his moves or his dashing good looks that set him up for stardom? Nope. He simply ‘fit the suit’. Literally. The promoter had an outfit that his manufactured teen idol would wear, and Greg Brady was a perfect fit for it. They changed his name (‘Johnny Bravo’) and distorted his recorded voice to sound nothing like his real one. Of course, this being a 30 minute morality play, Greg Brady rejected… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Harbinger
16 hours ago

I never saw that episode. May have to turn in my Brady Bunch Groupie card…

Harbinger
Harbinger
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
15 hours ago

“Adios, Johnny Bravo” was the title. The only other episode that stuck in my adolescent brain was the “porkchops and applesauce” one. Oh, and “Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!” (I had a wicked crush on Jan.)

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Harbinger
14 hours ago

A crush on Jan? Now, that is wicked!

The episodes I remember are the boys doing that UFO hoax and the one where Marsha gets her nose smashed by a stray basketball. Heh.

ray
ray
Reply to  Harbinger
14 hours ago

Jan was the hottie. I don’t think ‘Marsha’ appreciated that too much.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  ray
11 hours ago

It’s always, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!!

ray
ray
Reply to  usNthem
8 hours ago

:O)

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 hours ago

The day after Christmas, Dec 26, 969 was the premiere of the Brady Bunch episode, “Is There a Doctor in the House?”

That episode was all about the measles.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0531101/

Guess what they didn’t have in 1969?

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ANSWER: They didn’t have V@XXINATIONS!!!

They simply trusted their innate immune system, and dealt with the situation.

PS: THEY ALSO DIDN’T HAVE AUTISM!!!


Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Harbinger
15 hours ago

Despite her wealth, there is something pathetic about the “portly spinster”, as the Z Man has termed her. Such is always the case for someone who has sold her soul to Mammon.

Last edited 15 hours ago by Dutchboy
NoName
NoName
Reply to  Dutchboy
15 hours ago

Z: “it is the young-ish females you see kicking around the cubicle farms of corporate America, and thirsty males who think a Taylor Swift concert is an opportunity for them” Dutchboy: “someone who has sold her soul to Mammon” Marko: “women are known to let’s say, follow the pack” Muh instincts are screaming at moi that the underlying psycho-sociological phenomenon at work here is the “Lady MacBeth” Syndrome. LMS lives in Cluster B [of course], and it’s an inversion of traditional sexual roles, with the Lady MacBeth insisting on wearing the pants in the fambly, and her husband largely living… Read more »

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ray
ray
Reply to  NoName
14 hours ago

Thoughtful.

And yes, a whole lotta men are checking out of their feminist societies. Better this than live in cuckdom.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  ray
14 hours ago

The funny thing is the slur Incel. I can get poonanny, but i feel empty sleeping with people i have no connection with. A girl i almost married was everything i wanted at the beginning, then as her neediness and complaining started to kill my attraction she started searching for a new man, not break up mind you, monkey branching. When on hundreds of dates after that (lived in the city) slept with some women, none were dating or marriage material. What they don’t get is that i choose not to date or marry the slop they’ve created via “culture”.… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Mr. House
13 hours ago

Back before the church started flying the rainbow flag it was probably decent advice

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
12 hours ago

This was before that! She and i broke up about two years into Obama so we were still about five years away from the full onslaught of resurgent feminism. Which goes to show how they really are more of a herd animal then men. I blame men for not being able to stand up for themselves in the pursuit of the kitty. But even in most corporate jobs i’ve had, the women were like this. They try to act sweet and nice to get you to do their work for them, and when you don’t the toxic rumor mill begins.… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Mr. House
11 hours ago

Who has the U.S. government outright named as the enemy? ‘Incels’, men’s advocates in the manosphere, and ‘white supremacists’. Out of an entire world of real and present evil, THIS is what the gynarchy fears: brotherhood, especially Christian brotherhood or brotherhood that speaks honestly about what New Amerika really is. Tells us everything we need to know about who really rules over us. The incel slur is just the gynarchy seeking to anathematize any male who doesn’t genuflect to the Empowered Ones and their gyno-gubbermint. I am over 70 and have no trouble attracting young women, yet I have been… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  ray
11 hours ago

Bros before hoes 😉

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  ray
11 hours ago

One of the funny things i’ve noticed the past few years as i left my 30’s and entered my 40’s: I get more attention from 20 something women now, then i did when i was in my 20’s.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Mr. House
8 hours ago

I was broke in my 20s, I was well off in my 30s, and I am now rich in my …..(but too old for any female interest except my beloved spouse).

ray
ray
Reply to  Mr. House
8 hours ago

Very common story from men in Western nations.

I didn’t get much attention at all from females until I hit about 30. Made sense to me, tho. Prior to that, I didn’t have many accomplishments, didn’t have a profession, money, confidence etc.

After 30? Baby the dam broke loose! And hasn’t really stopped since. Not bragging, just the facts.

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Lakelander
Lakelander
Reply to  ray
9 hours ago

“That millions of other U.S. men are VOLUNTARILY celibate is terrifying to the Regime, for they count on men always caving to women because sex.”

Look at the overreaction to that Netflix show ‘Adolescence’ in Europe to see just how correct Ray is about this situation. They want docile little servants that worship women and would sell out their family for a chance at having sex. Hard to believe the enemy has so mismanaged their position that men are now capable of taming their own biology just to make a point.

ray
ray
Reply to  Lakelander
8 hours ago

Bingo. And yes, our rulers are VERY worried about men escaping The Plantation.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Harbinger
15 hours ago

Johnny Bravo was good, but he was no Davey Jones…

Melissa
Melissa
18 hours ago

It’s kind of funny that most men don’t find Taylor Swift attractive at all and most women think she is beautiful.
She is a cute girl but I know nothing of her music. The best thing she could do is marry that nfl player (the white guy) and have lots of kids.
Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie had tremendous talent. Alison Moyet of Yaz and the lead singer of Mazzy Star were fantastic, as well. ‘Mama’ from The Mamas and the Pepes always reminded me of Alison Moyet.
Madonna has become her true self and is a hideous monster.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  thezman
17 hours ago

The great Canadian pop stars of yesteryear were 35 years ahead of their time when The Northern Pikes sang “She Ain’t Pretty – She Just Looks That Way”…

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  thezman
17 hours ago

hope sandoval exudes that tranquil feminine energy. she is decent looking too, but it is her manner that draws you in.

Ketchup-stained Griller
Ketchup-stained Griller
Reply to  karl von hungus
17 hours ago

Just listened to a few songs, man was she doped up all the time?

roo_ster
Member
Reply to  Ketchup-stained Griller
13 hours ago

Terrifically introverted.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  thezman
17 hours ago

You mentioned Alison Moyet and I just had to hear this song again: https://youtu.be/_sQGwDeambg?feature=shared

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  thezman
16 hours ago

Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane/Starship is another one.
In her time she was decent looking, maybe a 7. Drugs and rock and roll did not do her well.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
15 hours ago

Helluva singer, too. Just listen to “Somebody to Love.” Rock n’ roll tour de force.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
15 hours ago

Grace still looked good in her 40s which is about all you can reasonably ask of a woman. They generally don’t age well. A few miracles of modern medicine may have erroneously given the impression that they can. To be fair, the “advances” in that field are getting better all the time.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  thezman
14 hours ago

Hope Sandoval (Mazzy Star)?
Somebody needed glasses, perhaps?
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TorontoTraveller
TorontoTraveller
Reply to  thezman
12 hours ago

FWIW – my take is that Hope Sandoval is extremely feminine looking and pretty. Shyness and composure adds to it and the result is beauty, I think.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Melissa
17 hours ago

One of the funnier memes lately is to imagine telling someone in the 1980s that one day Rosanne Barr will be prettier than Madonna.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Melissa
16 hours ago

Dude, Michelle Phillips was smokin’ hot.

ray
ray
Reply to  Eloi
16 hours ago

. . . as half the men in Laurel Canyon intimately knew.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Melissa
16 hours ago

When Taylor was young, at least she was fairly slim…Now, she’s definitely off putting….

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  pyrrhus
15 hours ago

She’s off putting because she’s putting it on…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Melissa
15 hours ago

TS is just what Z says–a solid seven. Pretty, even leaning toward very pretty, but hardly some smoking hot bombshell. And you’re correct that she doesn’t have a tenth of Nicks’, McVie’s and Mama Cass’ talent. Equally correct that Madonna is a beast from the ninth level of Hell. And her musical talent is no more than TS’.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
15 hours ago

Madonna’s talent was for spotting nascent fads. She got it right about half the time for about fifteen years. That’s freakish skill level and endurance, for that kind of job.

She did have some good songs, and even when they weren’t good you could tell it was her singing them. People used to like that. I’ve only knowingly heard one Taylor Swift song, but I’ve probably heard fifty. She’s not a “personality.”

Kanye will be the last of those, probably.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hemid
13 hours ago

She was also one of pop culture’s greatest self-promoters. To a pathological level.

As for her music, it never did anything for me. Much better stuff to listen to in the 80s than Madonna. That said, compared to today’s ghastly dreck, she was a ruddy spandex-wearing Beethoven.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Hemid
11 hours ago

I think like a lot of acts in the 80’s, she was mostly a product of mtv.

Chris
Chris
Reply to  Melissa
15 hours ago

I would throw Ann & Nancy Wilson of Heart, as well as Pat Benatar in that mix as well. I saw Hearts induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame a few years ago where they performed “Crazy on you” and Ann still has an amazing set of pipes. She belted out that chorus like it was 1975 all over again.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Chris
13 hours ago

Heart and Pat Benatar were great.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Melissa
15 hours ago

I couldn’t tell you the name of one of her songs – or even what her voice sounds like, because I don’t listen to the radio (never have). She is fairly slender and blonde. I wouldn’t call her her beautiful, but perhaps ‘cute.’ But the fandom is nuts, just like anything that is majority female. Any man who permits his wife and/or daughter to go to a Swift concert has surrendered his balls. That’s the root of the problem – women without the constraint and wisdom of men destroy everything.

ray
ray
Reply to  3g4me
14 hours ago

You are surely a pearl, Queen Curmudgeon.

How I wish you were Donald Trump’s ‘spiritual advisor’.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  3g4me
13 hours ago

3g4me: “Any man who permits his wife and/or daughter to go to a Swift concert has surrendered his balls.”

You’re describing Lady MacBeth Syndrome.

The female black widow which is upwards of 100 times more psychologically vicious than is her mate.

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Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  3g4me
13 hours ago

3g4me:
It really has been strange to see moms of preteen girls behaving as though they are preteen girls themselves. There are so many more worthwhile things to do with daughters. It just seems like such an absurd waste of time and money, too.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Melissa
13 hours ago

Melissa: “The best thing she could do is marry that nfl player (the white guy) and have lots of kids.“ Melissa, it’s April 3, 2025, and Taylor Swift was born on December 13, 1989. She’ll be 36 in a few months. In theory, she could maybe have children at the ages of 36, 38 and 40, for a total of three, but it would be a very very long shot. [And that’s assuming that Tay-Tay is not in fact actually a Tranny herself.] But if she’s been on Birth Control Pills [or similar] for the last 25 years, then it… Read more »

Rex Little
Rex Little
Reply to  NoName
12 hours ago

Trust me, she’s not a tranny. My wife saw her at a country music festival when she (Taylor, not my wife) was 16, and she was definitely female.

mmack
mmack
17 hours ago

A woman’s eyes are what will catch the attention of a male

Yes Z, no man ever notices a woman’s breasts, legs, or buttocks. 😉

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  mmack
17 hours ago

I would struggle to tell you the eye color of any of my exes. Even when we were together

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LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
16 hours ago

I had on ex describe my eyes as some unique shade of blue that was so subtle that I can never remember the name.

Then she closed her eyes and asked me what color her eyes were. I said that I was pretty sure that they weren’t brown.

She opened her eyes and I saw her blue eyes roll at my male cluelessness.

To support mmack’s point, I could have described her body in exacting detail. I still can and it’s a great memory

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
14 hours ago

And doubtless a great mammary…

Lakelander
Lakelander
Reply to  LineInTheSand
9 hours ago

Cyan? the color between blue and green on the visible spectrum of light

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
12 hours ago

“Oh yeah? What color are my eyes? Tell me now!”
“Bloodshot?”

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  mmack
12 hours ago

Truth!

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  mmack
15 hours ago

Face first, then the rest. The mirror to the soul and all that.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  mmack
14 hours ago

Heh heh. My thoughts exactly.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  mmack
14 hours ago

I remember there was an eye-tracking study released a while back. People were shown full body pictures of the opposite sex and a device tracked where their eyes moved. Men overwhelmingly looked at the eyes first, cheeks and lips, then tracked down to the hips/thighs and finally breasts. The longest gaze was held around the face of the woman. Women tracked as quickly looking at the eyes and top of the forehead, then lingered on shoulders chest and arms. It sort of makes sense. The face is a good indicator of female health for breeding purposes. Clear eyed, rosey cheeks… Read more »

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Johnny Ducati
Johnny Ducati
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
12 hours ago

I judge women’s personalities by their facial features, and a lot of women deemed hot by the culture look like they would be hateful witches in a relationship.

Harbinger
Harbinger
Reply to  Penitent Man
9 hours ago

I used to watch the eyes of women at work when someone new entered the conference room. If it was a man, they followed the same quick triangulation – face – crotch – ring finger. Repeat. If it was a woman, it went face – boobs – hips/butt (depending on viewing angle). Always a rapid-fire three-point assessment, done in a flash. Every woman, every time.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  mmack
12 hours ago

So a somewhat relevant thing related to this… I’m in Eastern Europe and have been here for a while. One of the main reasons for this is that every 3rd woman I see on the street or on dating apps has blue or green eyes, with a healthy amount of hazel and gray in the mix too. In the US in maybe 1970s or so you possibly also find this. But in recent decades? It’s a sea of mystery meat. I look on the streets of major cities and I was in -many- of them 2 summers ago and on… Read more »

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Apex Predator
10 hours ago

JNDC, regarding Eastern Europe, what are you seeing in terms of the bishes’ V@xx statuses? Have you been able to hurdle the language barrier to the point that you can have legitimate heart-felt conversations with these Euro-bishes, concerning the VQ? [i.e. the V@xx Question] Here in the USA, approximately 5 out of 6 females are v@xxinated, so you gotta hit on 6 bishes with the hope of finding maybe 1 which might be Purebl00ded. USA v@xx statistics: https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/ USA Men: 77% v@xxinated USA Women: 82% v@xxinated A coupla months ago, PA, over at PA World & Times, noticed that the… Read more »

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  NoName
10 hours ago

The language barrier is not as steep as you may imagine bro. English proficiency esp. in major cities is quite high so you can have complex conversations. Village girls? Yeah… though they are -ideal- candidates I simply don’t have the skill yet to chat them up in a deep way. So for the English speakers vax is definitely WAY lower here. In fact, if you sort of scroll the various dating profiles on apps ‘unvaccinated’ occurs at a very high rate compared to the US sheeple. I couldn’t give you exact #s but certainly far lower than the NPC wahmen… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
17 hours ago

Roissy noted that if you want to sell romance to women, the protagonist can’t be too beautiful because women feel threatened by that. Hence, the trollop from Titanic is a frumpy, and rather homely, thirtyish.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Felix Krull
16 hours ago

You beat me to it. At a certain point beauty becomes threatening to a woman. Swift is well inside that boundary. Men are puzzled as to why women are drawn to her but Swift being a seven is the obvious appeal.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
16 hours ago

Every woman wants to think they have a chance with Leonardo di Caprio, so they made Rose ordinary. If Titanic was made today, Rose would have a race-mixed baby already.

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Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Felix Krull
15 hours ago

I go with Rose would be trans.

Ed
Ed
Reply to  Felix Krull
15 hours ago

And she’d be a single mother with a chipped tooth.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Felix Krull
15 hours ago

And I find Leonardo di Caprio unappealing. He’s quite chunky, and even at his best was a pretty boy, not a handsome man. I’ll take Tom Berenger instead.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
14 hours ago

I never got all the female gushing over Brad Pitt. Sure, a decent enough-looking guy, but the very acme of the masculine aesthetic? I’m not seeing it.

Grant
Grant
Reply to  3g4me
13 hours ago

He suffers from something that plagues a lot of child stars and people who got cast young. Many of them were picked because they were cute kids. The cherubic face and exaggerated features that make somebody a cute kid don’t typically look good on adults, particularly men. Most men grow into their faces, but a lot of child stars were older than the roles they were cast for and specifically selected because they had features like a younger kid because older kids are easier to direct and work with.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  3g4me
12 hours ago

3g: I agree about that DiCaprio guy.

John Hamm has my vote.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 hours ago

In 21st Century Klownworld Hellscape, I would walk barefoot over broken glass for a real-life bish who had the beauty & the temperament which Kate Winslet’s characterizations brought to the screen in “Sense & Sensibility” [1995], or “Titanic” [1997], way the heck back in the Dark Ages of the 20th Century.

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CFOmally
CFOmally
18 hours ago

I’m a father of two 20 something females so that stuff was on in our house when they where young. I hate it, but it is catchy in a brain rot sort of way. While she is starting to show the miles, she’s better than a mid IMO. “Pretty, white girl next door types” are few and far between these days.

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  CFOmally
17 hours ago

Agreed. She’s in relatively good shape, isn’t covered in tattoos and seems humble for a person of her status.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  CFOmally
17 hours ago

She’s exactly in between “mid” and “hot.” Which is key to her success. She’s attainable.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  thezman
16 hours ago

That’s exactly it. Her status appears attainable to heterosexual women who want to feel better about themselves. Madonna had this same thing going on back in the day.

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Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  thezman
16 hours ago

This is exactly what people don’t get. This is simply marketing. And what is marketed to women except fame and girl boss?

Dr. Dre
Dr. Dre
Reply to  thezman
16 hours ago

I’m a female who grew up in the late 50s-early 60s era, loved Rock ‘n’ Roll from Elvis and Little Richard onward, but I don’t know if I’ve ever actually heard a Taylor Swift song. She’s been around for ages, but the recent phenom of the “Eras” tour is something I noticed because my teenaged granddaughter and her mother traveled to another state to see one of the concerts, enjoying themselves thoroughly. I disagree about her eyes being a noteworthy feature; yes, they’re a pretty blue with a tweak of eyeliner, but to me what is important — and different… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Dr. Dre
15 hours ago

Sorry, but bright red lipstick screams “Old lady” to me. It’s what women wore in the 1940s and 1950s. I find it garish. It’s pretty pathetic that a lack of tattoos is so notable these days. And a woman who’s almost 40 with no husband or children is not ‘wholesome.’

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  3g4me
10 hours ago

I agree the bright red lipstick just doesn’t work. It’s almost as bad as some black female with the same – embarrassingly bad.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  thezman
14 hours ago

Females: 30% “aggressively “het”. 3%, aggressively “lez”… and the remainder?

Grant
Grant
Reply to  thezman
13 hours ago

A Youtuber called HoeMath pinpointed a general rule that women will always agree that all women (yes, even Gorlok the Destroyer) are 10s except for actual 10s, whom they call ugly. It’s basically sexual socialism. It almost reminds one of “The Assemblywomen” by Aristophanes.

ray
ray
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
16 hours ago

She is relatable to females. That’s what counts.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
17 hours ago

Being a rock musician in my free time, almost everyone in my, and my wife’s, circle can’t stand Taylor swift. To me she is just yet another whining, man hating woman who is claiming victim status. I’m so sick of that crap, it is nauseating. Some music publication ranked her in the top ten of the world’s greatest guitarists. Absolutely embarrassing.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Tired Citizen
13 hours ago

Has she even played guitar since she did American Idol? Remember she was a “country” singer back then……..

Grant
Grant
Reply to  Mr. House
13 hours ago

Assuming somebody who grew up in the affluent suburbs of Reading, Pennsylvania could be “country.” There are definitely places in the sticks in PA where the stars and bars fly freely. Wyomissing ain’t one of them. Given her proximity to Reading, she’d have been more authentic starting a mariachi outfit.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Grant
12 hours ago

They say Pennsylvania is Pittsburgh on one end, Philadelphia on the other, and Alabama in the middle.

Grant
Grant
Reply to  Tired Citizen
13 hours ago

It’s been a joke for some 15 years running that Swift should release an album titled “Maybe I’m the Problem” given that most of her hits have been about how things didn’t pan out with various people in her love life.

JaG
JaG
17 hours ago

I give my Son’s girlfriend (a swiftie) a hard time by fake-mistaking her as Mylie Cyrus. I’ve stopped because she is getting genuinely pissed and she may have to take care of me in my aged years.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  JaG
14 hours ago

If you’re not careful, she may “take care of you” when you’ve got your back turned to her…

Hell hath no fury.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  JaG
14 hours ago

I once tripped up a girl boss (HR, no less!) with a dismissive”nah, that’s not David Bowie: that’s Iggy Pop’s mug on that mural!”

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  JaG
13 hours ago

You’re not doing your son any favors by tolerating a swiftie as a girlfriend. A father ought to advise his son ot marry wisely.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  3g4me
13 hours ago

Now now – no scolding!

And better a “swiftie” than a danger-haired, metal-festooned “nu-womyn” – what?

(The young lady in question is not likely to “role” into “G0D-fearin’ Down-Homestead Country Girl” – a type rarely encountered these days, because (much to my surprise and chagrin…) there’s precious little “G0D-fearin’ Country” left to be had!)

DLS
DLS
17 hours ago

It’s not just pop music that is dying, but all types of music. In the attached link, Rick Beato explores Zman’s point in further detail. The short version is that technology has made music too easy to make and streaming platforms have made music too easy to consume.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bZ0OSEViyo

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  thezman
15 hours ago

*Tries to imagine Max Headroom as a lounge singer*

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  thezman
14 hours ago

That does exist. I don’t remember what it’s called, though I’ve heard it said a hundred times. (I’m bad at being advertised to.) People mostly use it to make novelty songs, algorithmic background music (a many-decades-old thing already), and fake artists to scam Spotify. Japan has had pop stars who don’t really exist for a long time. Hatsune Miku is the Elvis of that sort of thing. Maybe because they’re used to superior fakery, they haven’t taken to “AI” for music. They do like using a chatbot as half of a comedy duo, the real person paired with a simulated… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  DLS
11 hours ago

Beato is spot on with his points. People place little to no value on anything that has been reduced to a base commodity.

There are good YouTube vids about how awful an idea reducing everything to content is.

Additionally, slop is everywhere now.

I wonder what’s going to happen when the LLMs will have nothing to train on save for an endless cycle of slop.

ray
ray
16 hours ago

Swift is a corporate product of our feminist cultures. (Very) mildly talented, but backed by transnationals and the youngish women who have dominated America and the West for half-a-century and counting. The corporatized NFL promoted her endlessly not because of merit, but because she’s an outstanding mass-psych tool for the continued Management of U.S. and Western citizenry. What better weapon to use against already pozzed and gelded Anglo men, shoehorning her into NFL broadcasts to remind us that though we have football, Big Sister in her Luxury Box rules over us all. Princess and her Retinue, looking down benevolently on… Read more »

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TempoNick
TempoNick
17 hours ago

There’s a much simpler answer to Taylor Swift’s success and lack of drama: Talent, IQ, Breeding. Her dad is a hedge fund manager, for God’s sake. He’s no dummy and you’ve got to figure he didn’t marry a dummy either. Two bright people pooped out a bright kid and know a lot of other bright people who got the business side of Taylor Swift right. But it takes more than bright. It also takes some assertiveness and not letting grass grow under your feet. Again, we go back to the successful traits to be a hedge fund manager. I’m sure… Read more »

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Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  TempoNick
16 hours ago

Sharp. Swift actually is an incredibly bright person and designed her own sets and so forth at a very young age. She may in fact find her audience stupid and the one thing that might blow her up is if that is true and documented.

rajincajun
Reply to  TempoNick
15 hours ago

I agree with your post, except Aniston is a 6. Prime Jennifer Aniston: a movie from about 20 years ago with Mark Wahlberg: Rock Star. She is beautiful.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  rajincajun
15 hours ago

I just can’t get over the fact that her hair styles always cover her face. I think she’s kind of got a weird face when you see the hair pulled back. But give her credit as well for not turning herself into a skank to get attention.

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rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  TempoNick
13 hours ago

I dunno…I’ve known a few Hedge Fund Honchos in my day: they’re either ‘Spergy Quants (buy side) or Oily Grifters (sell side).

Successful, yes, but the type that whips out the phone to fact-check/research when feeling insecure in conversation. Wealthy, but NOT impressive, in the main.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  rasqball
13 hours ago

And…I’m sure that they lost a lot of money today, which shouldn’t bother them (multi-millionaires +), but does!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  rasqball
12 hours ago

Yep. Go to the plutocrat sites today and they’re all squalling like stuck pigs. Brings a tear to my eye. Not!

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  rasqball
12 hours ago

My point is still that she came from an well-off family, so it’s likely she also had access to the tools that made her successful and somewhat normal, not to mention that she doesn’t want to make you take a shower like after seeing a Madonna video.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
18 hours ago

Interesting post today.

The only thing I can think of to comment on is that female celebrities tend to age poorly. It may be the propensity of females to go to plastic surgery as they age. (For an example of plastic surgery going horribly wrong, look no further than Laura Flynn Boyle. A truly beautiful young woman who looks like her face melted). I wonder who will take Swifts place.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
17 hours ago

When I do dare to look back upon Sodom and Gomorra, I see that many teen and twenty something women are getting plastic surgery. It is sad. It is Noah Yuval Harari’s world now. The Nordics understood the dangers of men being anally penetrated. A darkness is unleashed and Harari is the poster child for it. I can see that pillow biting demon cackling as he watches young women mutilating themselves. We confront an evil that may have no precedent. It is capricious and sadistic and worse, has not a small scale but a global scale that it can prey… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  RealityRules
16 hours ago

‘We confront an evil that may have no precedent.’

Good comment and you are, sadly, correct.

This particular evil, the Feminine Unleashed, has endless precedents in the ancient world. But, as you note, the malevolence now is GLOBAL, and that IS unprecedented . . . dispersed through the world largely by Amerika.

. . . often FORCED on the world by Amerika. It ain’t a nation ‘under God’, put it that way.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ray
13 hours ago

Hate to say it, but AINO is a nation under the devil.

ray
ray
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 hours ago

It is.

whatever2020
whatever2020
Member
Reply to  ray
10 hours ago

Succinct description of why some of us call it the Globohomo Empire.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
17 hours ago

Speaking of someone who hasn’t aged well and whose plastic surgery is catching up with her, Martha MacCallum. She used to be so hot. Now she looks like tranny John Tesh.

ray
ray
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
16 hours ago

‘I wonder who will take Swifts place.’

An old group called The Furies.

Chris
Chris
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
15 hours ago

Indeed. That is probably the reason why she didn’t make an appearance in the “Twin Peaks” return.

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
14 hours ago

Good Plastic Surgery: Dolly Parton and Cher. Bad Plastic Surgery: Naomi Judd.

Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
Member
15 hours ago

There is what I call a predictable sterility now that the financialization of this country has extended to pop music, movies, TV and even sports. In the good old days, the Wall Street pirates were content to gamble on investments that often wouldn’t pay off, especially with technology and balance big losses with bigger wins. Now, there is this “play it safe” mentality that is likely due to the end of America’s frontier spirit. Like with utilities or treasury bonds, they seek a stable, predictable return on their investment. That’s why music is now so sterile. Thanks to the atomization… Read more »

Marko
Marko
17 hours ago

Tay is nothing compared to Morrissey, who was the real and genuine last pop star. It’s like comparing Joan of Arc to St. John Chrysostom. Joyce Meyer to St. Augustine.

Morrissey saved lives…Tay just makes dimwitted foids scream.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Marko
14 hours ago

I’d go with “rock star” for Morrissey, because he makes so many people so angry. Among the many, many millions who think Taylor Swift sucks, almost nobody wants to kill her. Morrissey’s demise will cause dancing in the press. That’s been true for forty years. (“Panic” caused the first annual wave of the media calling him a nazi, if I remember right.) Mere pop stars can’t hold a crowd like that.

A Bad Man
Member
18 hours ago

I cannot name, nor conjure the sound of a single Swift song. I do kove Danke Schoen by Little Wayne.

As in Newton.

A Bad Man
Member
Reply to  A Bad Man
17 hours ago

Could not edit, so will consider “kove” my kayfabe moment.

To my male eyes, Swift is homely. Has eyes of a ferret. Or cobra.

I don’t know about this readership, but here are some of my favorite female singers of one genre, the only good thing to come out of Europe in a generation in order of my preference:

Christina Scabbia
Tarja Turenen
Sabine Dünser
Liv Kristine
Vibeke Stene
Sharon den Adel
Monika Pedersen
Nell Sigland

Ketchup-stained Griller
Ketchup-stained Griller
Reply to  A Bad Man
15 hours ago

Has eyes of a ferret. Yes, I was thinking “shark” but you are correct.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  A Bad Man
5 hours ago

I don’t know about this readership…

Funny, I would have pegged at least Marko as a fellow Symphonic Gothic Metal enjoyer.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  A Bad Man
17 hours ago

With all due respect Bad Man, I don’t understand why a man could like a female singer, beyond admiring her looks. Females have different lifeways. I have never heard a song by one that connects with me.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Marko
16 hours ago

Jann Wenner was right. There are very few great female songwriters.

ray
ray
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
15 hours ago

Pleased to learn that at least he was right about something.

Ketchup-stained Griller
Ketchup-stained Griller
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
14 hours ago
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Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Marko
16 hours ago

Generally, I completely agree. A few exceptions. A couple Fleetwood Mac tunes. Mamas and Papas. Joni Mitchell’s best work. Carole King – Tapestry.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Eloi
15 hours ago

Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders comes to mind.

ray
ray
Reply to  Dutchboy
14 hours ago

She was one of my favorites. Not a beautiful girl, kinda cute in a tomboy way, but authentically talented. ‘Back on the Chain Gang’ is perhaps the best song ever written about the elite separating the male and the female for their selfish, nefarious purposes.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ray
13 hours ago

Chrissie Hynde sounds like Raquel Welch looked.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Dutchboy
14 hours ago

Elizabeth Foster of The Beths, a new-ish band from NZ.
Expert in a Dying Field
“I can close the door on us, but the room still exists – and I know you’re in it…can’t stop, can’t rewind, love is learned over time, ’till you’re an Expert in a Dying Field”

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Marko
16 hours ago

I find I cannot appreciate supposed great female songwriters. Joni Mitchell, Kate Bush, the Fleetwood Mac chicks…

I can enjoy the music but I am conscious that I can’t feel what they are expressing. It all seems so distant and often a bit annoying, like they’re nagging me or bitching at me.

It may be a personal failing of mine, but I guess that if most men were honest they would agree with me. Men can’t really feel women’s art.

Can women feel what men express in lyrics and songs?

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A Bad Man
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
16 hours ago

Topic drift, Reply edition. Did I stumble into the Angry Incel Blog? Asking for a friend.

Said zip about ‘songwriting’ … and if you cannot appreciate the female VOICE … not studio created ‘sound’ … you can cut out a lot of music from classical on forward.

Maybe as Lita Ford sang you need to go “back to the cave” …

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  A Bad Man
15 hours ago

What is considered the ‘female voice’ today is a warbly, high-pitched soprano. Weak and very solipsistic.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  3g4me
12 hours ago

See “Elizabeth Foster” (above).
Also Natalie Mering, aka Weyes Blood: probably THE BEST female pop/rock singer currently working in the Anglosphere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g7BSnavHH8&pp=ygUfaXQncyBub3QganVzdCBtZSBpdCdzIGV2ZXJ5Ym9keQ%3D%3D

KGB
KGB
Reply to  LineInTheSand
15 hours ago

Don’t leave out Saint Joni Mitchell, who was a fairly unremarkable talent but is revered as having an otherworldly career.

ray
ray
Reply to  KGB
13 hours ago

Been a long way from ‘Michael from Mountains’ to fembot Joni. Long way down.

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  KGB
9 hours ago

If Joni’s talent was so unremarkable then why did she get some of the finest jazz musicians to collaborate with her repeated;y? Jaco Pastorius, Pat Metheny, Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock. She went from from folk to jazz and wrote songs with unusual chord changes and guitar tunings.

She has not aged well and has suffered from Morgellon’s Disease, which may or may not be real.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Brandon Laskow
8 hours ago

She had an impressive vocal range.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  LineInTheSand
15 hours ago

Whenever we suffer through what passes for praise and worship songs at church (women playing around on a guitar, with no sense of tune or harmony or rhythm, singing Jesus is my boyfriend 100 differen ways), I remind my husband how much I prefer traditional hymns and 30 year old praise and worship songs written by men.

A Bad Man
Member
Reply to  Marko
16 hours ago

Ok, then. Women have beautiful voices and other feminine attributes — are you like a leather chaps kind of man’s man, in all due respect? Hey, Hate Has No Home in this Reply box, so have at it, like they say in the old Burger Kind ditty … men like burgers, breasts, and other female things doncha know?

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Marko
15 hours ago

I disagree here. I always liked the voices of Pat Benatar, Susanna Hoffs, Diana Ross, Dolly Parton, and others of the 50-90s.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  fakeemail
13 hours ago

Same here. And all things being equal, I’d rather listen to a woman than a man sing. That’s particularly true of C&W, by the by.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 hours ago

Seriously? That’s interesting, because I’d rather listen to a man. I enjoy plenty of songs by Blondie or even Carlie Simon, and even a few female opera singers. But on the whole I prefer male voices.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
10 hours ago

Perhaps this is the normal heterosexual reaction to the vocal arts.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 hours ago

The historian Will Durant thought a woman’s voice was the most beautiful sound in the world.

terranigma
terranigma
Reply to  Marko
8 hours ago
Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  A Bad Man
14 hours ago

If Patsy Cline and Tanya Tucker had a child, it would sound like the prepubescent Wayne Newton. A truly lovely and unique voice.

Xman
Xman
17 hours ago

For all the hoopla over Taylor Swift, I literally couldn’t name or identify a single one of her songs if you offered me a million bucks to do it right now.

I only know of her in an epiphenomenal sense from following the media, which refers to her frequently.

It is said that she started out as a country musician, and I have listened to a lot of country, but never any Taylor Swift.

She may very well be talented, but from my vantage point she seems very manufactured and synthetic.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
13 hours ago

“For all the hoopla over Taylor Swift, I literally couldn’t name or identify a single one of her songs if you offered me a million bucks to do it right now.”

Modesty is not your stong suit!

Member
18 hours ago

Severian and I are both convinced she will inevitably enter politics, sooner rather than later. Expect her to run for Senator from California, New York or Massachusetts very soon. Those girlbosses in the Senate are old, and she’s smarter by far than Cortez or the shrieking Diversity in the House.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Pickle Rick
17 hours ago

Does she have FU money? Hell, yes! That means she couldn’t be controlled by those endowment-granting souls who know what’s best for the rest of us. That’s on the plus side. On the minus side, she’s Taylor Swift.

Member
Reply to  Tom K
16 hours ago

I could see her leaning back into her manufactured “country girl” persona and running as a Democrat from Tennessee so she can Girlboss her way to the White House.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Pickle Rick
14 hours ago

We really need to move away from ‘Democracy’

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tom K
13 hours ago

Democracy sure ain’t what it’s cracked up to be. Not by a dam’ sight.

herrman
herrman
Member
16 hours ago

The observation about the concert goers experiencing the act through their phones is the one I find most concerning. It’s not just younger people who are doing this either. My lump of a brother in his mid-60’s literally spends all day, every day, looking at his phone. If the matrix was trying to turn humans into automatons what would they be doing different? At some point many people will decide they’d rather be plugged into an alternate, but fake, reality and never come out. They would not take the red pill. Given the advances in AI and human-machine interfaces, that… Read more »

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  herrman
12 hours ago

“My lump of a brother in his mid-60’s literally spends all day, every day, looking at his phone…”

I’ve got one of those, too. Would you agree that “it” exacerbates metal instability?

herrman
herrman
Member
Reply to  rasqball
12 hours ago

Very much so. Maybe even more then intoxicant addiction.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  herrman
10 hours ago

Its SO obvious…why aren’t we talking about this? Screen time is bad for mental health,and we’re in the midst of a mental health crisis like we’ve never seen…

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
16 hours ago

Brilliant piece. You have taken arguably the most banal topic imaginable and used it to masterfully illustrate how profound a change to everyday life AI portends to be. Yes, Tay-Tay is Karen’s avatar, and, yes, technology can and probably will allow her to endure as long as her wine aunt audience is sentient. New and real music will be confined to small venues, which will serve as salons and be under constant State surveillance due to potential subversion. The future is gray and bleak and those spots will be flickering lights in the darkness.

ray
ray
Reply to  Jack Dodson
15 hours ago

‘Yes, Tay-Tay is Karen’s avatar, and, yes, technology can and probably will allow her to endure as long as her wine aunt audience is sentient.’

Hilarious! And true.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  ray
12 hours ago

Amen…beautiful.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
16 hours ago

One thing that is admirable about her is that she went from teen to adult star and success without going the whore route. Hopefully, that appeals to some young women.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  MikeCLT
14 hours ago

But she went the LIB route. She’s cia backed, fo sho.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  fakeemail
12 hours ago

I was led to believe she was “Company Product”. like many, many others.

lavrov
lavrov
16 hours ago

The only person who ever danced at a Taylor Swift meeting (I mean concert) was Justin Trudeau –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ohsiMDQDL4

Vxxc
Vxxc
18 hours ago

The Technology (tools or literally the logic of tools) didn’t destroy a societal consensus that had not existed for 30 years prior to smart phones and the Internet being a daily thing. The societal consensus was destroyed in the 1960s.
Given the 60s creed of Hedonistic Nihilism no tool made it worse.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Vxxc
17 hours ago

Agreed. The AI process that Z described has been in existence for a long time. I recently deleted a long diatribe describing an insider’s view of how this has worked since the 90s. It is already a base formula. The only difference now is human assembly will be replaced with total digital assembly. Techno is merely a moron digitally stitching together moronic loops and samples. They turn knobs with a gritty look on their face and the audience pretends that they are watching a master at work. Better that all that pretense is dispensed with and the machine do what… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  thezman
16 hours ago

I recall seeing an analysis of how auto-tune works. Auto-tune is a machine that can bend off-key notes to the nearest correct note. Someone played a Pavarotti recording on auto-tune, and you could see him slightly missing notes, albeit not by enough for the human ear to pick up. They then played a Michael Buble recording, and every note was precisely correct, which is impossible. If you can artificially make every note perfect, then it becomes less about talent, and more about having some gimmick that gets attention.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  DLS
15 hours ago

George Benson was talking about the Vocoder back in the 80s, which could make someone’s voice sound completely different. I imagine the tech now is vastly superior [sic].

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  thezman
16 hours ago

So much of what the human was doing in some cases was almost nothing that it may not make a difference. You alluded to where AI can and will take it. That is a totally customized and personalized Tay Tay. It may be that Tay Tay in the future is a billion or more Taylored (pun intended), AGI avatars of each of the billion people’s projections. Already at concerts everyone has their phone up filming the event instead of being present at it. Why? They want to film it to show they were there. The vanity/insecurity is far more powerful… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  thezman
16 hours ago

Ole Zimmy the Bobhead used to produce one-takes all the time. If the engineer or company rep wanted more takes, he’d tell them to stuff it. You can still hear the occasional error in lyrics.

Human music. Spontaneous and real. As opposed to today’s AI-demonic crudola.

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Templar
Templar
Reply to  thezman
5 hours ago

You’re putting me in mind of the Primarch Fulgrim in Warhammer 40,000. He was obsessively frustrated by the fact that, as a literal demigod, his artworks contained no human errors and thus no spark of life.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
18 hours ago

few swift tidbits. according to CDAN gossip site, she is a friend of dorothy. and that ties into her eyes, as gay people often have a little something different going on there. she doesn’t write all of her own songs. not sure if she wrote the hits or not. madonna used to fill this role for the post-wall crowd, but she is all gross now, plus no one wants to be reminded we all get old. her current BF is funny AF but not intentionally. seems and looks genuinely dim witted. she was booed heartily at the super bowl, when… Read more »

mikebravo
mikebravo
Reply to  karl von hungus
17 hours ago

“…i have had better than her, but that is a pretty low bar.”
Lol. That’s an excellent night out with the boys statement!

fakeemail
fakeemail
15 hours ago

all women want to believe they’re a tall blonde gal who keeps getting done wrong by thoughtless men.

mmack
mmack
Reply to  fakeemail
12 hours ago

After those thoughtless, handsome men who CANNOT keep their hands off her absolutely ravage her. 😉

usNthem
usNthem
17 hours ago

She was pretty cute in a girl next door way fifteen years ago and had a couple of catchy tunes (my wife and some nieces liked her). But I’ve got so say, I don’t get the mega stardom and from what little I hear these days, she’s getting a bit more annoying and is looking more and more to be a cat lady spinster in the making.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  usNthem
17 hours ago

I agree with this. She does nothing for me when I see her in public, but I could see having a few drinks with her in a dim restaurant or bar, hitting it off and thinking, “Hmmm, maybe I should kiss her.”

Last edited 17 hours ago by TempoNick
Mis(ter)Anthrope
17 hours ago

I had never heard of her until she started dating the football player. I have never heard any of her songs. She looks like she is made of plastic. I don’t find her attractive at all. I have no idea why she is so popular. That said, it sounds like she is a decent person, so I have nothing against her.

Rented mule
Rented mule
11 hours ago

Tayler swift, ok whatever.
Truthfully got my attention twice. When she first appeared as a sweet little country girl who wrote her on stuff & played acoustic guitar.
The second time when she made a video depicting Trump supporters as trailer park 80 IQ trash. That’s when I knew hymie had captured her
Just another Pringle in a can.

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Maxda
Maxda
16 hours ago

I just assumed that Swift’s popularity was due to a lack of competition and the collapse of the music industry.

When I was a teenager, girl acts included Fleetwood Mac (Nicks & McVeigh), Pat Benetar, Till Tuesday, the Go Go’s, Cyndi Lauper, and a hundred others. Now I can’t name an act under 40.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
12 hours ago

I have never (knowingly) heard her sing. Life is good without her and her fans.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
13 hours ago

Re: AI art, the art is in the mistakes, the little mistakes. These are mysterious things. I don’t see science and tech reproducing them, don’t even think they’re capable of it. I’ve been told, of course and in so many words, this is superstition, but I’ll never buy it, because we’re not living in Utopia— obviously it’s not all worked out. We just need more time to perfect it, right? More data. True X has never been tried. LOL.

Last edited 13 hours ago by Paintersforms
Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Paintersforms
11 hours ago

Any style or artist or whatever can almost be replicated, because anything is almost calculable. The gap between Prince and “AI” Prince (for example) can be narrowed by making calculations in greater bulk, more finely examining Prince and more nearly approximating him. But the gap can’t be closed, because artists are, to use Rand’s extremely weird term, whim-worshippers. If they’re any good, that’s their whole job. Given Prince’s prior albums, the most exhaustive personal biography, etc., could any bot generate Parade? Not even close. I mean, try it. You can’t really get to “AI” to invent anything. In the absolute… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
16 hours ago

Regarding eyes and makeup, it has been my observation that women who wear too much eye makeup are almost always mentally unbalanced. (More so than the average woman.) If you’re in the market for a dame, this is a good thing to know.

As to Z’s thesis about artificial and auto-generated pop musicians, all I can say is that reality, or meta-reality, becomes ickier with every passing month.

Southron
Southron
17 hours ago

In regards to the age of “Swifties”, this is what i have found as well. My teenage daughters can’t stand her. I was at the deli recently, and overheard the middle age white women behind the counter giddily discussing the various eras of Swift’s Era’s Tour.

TomA
TomA
16 hours ago

If you want to take this conundrum to the next level, imagine how the world will change when AI/LLM combine with robotics to produce near lifelike sex partners (which isn’t very far off). Now your customized pop star is in bed with you and likely performing better than an IRL equivalent. What does that do to evolution of the species?

Bitter reactionary
Bitter reactionary
Reply to  TomA
15 hours ago

It ends evolution of the species. The last, very happy, old man expires in bed with his Marilyn Monrobot.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Bitter reactionary
8 hours ago

This is the first time I ever considered the possibility of purchasing viagra so you could bang a robot

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
17 hours ago

Taylor Swift and Sabrina Carpenter (Swift’s replacement) have also mastered “girl hot.” Women have never really enjoyed wearing clothes so you’ll see ALL the time a woman hold up a mass of strings and squee about how it’s sooo cute. This baffles men becuase, well it’s the most slutty thing they’ve ever seen, but women seem baffled that men will take it that way. See the entire subcontinent of India. Enter “Girl Hot”. Swift and Carpenter both prance around half naked, Carpenter even mimes sex acts on stage, and yet asks most men and they just…. don’t find them attractive.… Read more »

Hokkoda
Member
8 hours ago

There’s a fair amount of creepy ass meme culture around her. Over the holidays my young 20-something’s texted me this: https://youtu.be/SLGxJfMCCsQ?feature=shared So the kids seem to have caught onto who is in the fan base and how that fan base responds to criticism of their leader… Although I think AI will wreak a lot of havoc, I think also we’ll see a backlash against it in the form of supporting actual artists. Not just pop music, but illustrators, sculptors, painters, woodworkers, etc. Once ANYTHING can be made by a machine, its value plummets to zero. My daughter is a gifted… Read more »

Last edited 8 hours ago by hokkoda
FJ Dagg
FJ Dagg
10 hours ago

I think the one thing this thread proves is that there’s no accounting for taste. That said, those who confess that they’ve never heard a TS song or couldn’t name one, might want to at least give her a listen before judging her. By my lights, her work has three “eras,” if you will: the first three albums comprise her country/pop origins, the middle four have some fun arena rock songs and some dabblings in hip-hop (my least fave), the latest four migrated into something I’m not sure how to name. “Atmospheric” comes to mind, though I acknowledge that’s pretty… Read more »

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  FJ Dagg
7 hours ago

I’m sitting here listening to violinist Lina Tur Bonnet summoning up the devil in a Weichlein partita and you are telling me that checking out TS is worth even one second of the time left to me on this sorry plane of existence?

GunnerQ
16 hours ago

“Soon, maybe even now, music executives can ask a couple of DOGE kids to create a pop star maker… Instead of hiring actors to play the part, like the boy band producers did in the last century, the music execs will ask their AI engineers to create them.” This was already done in Deus Ex 2. A good game sunk by impossible expectations, one of the “characters” was a female pop music star who had holographic kiosks in various locations where fans and the PC could interact with an AI version of her. The AI was operated by the Intelligence… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
16 hours ago

And here I was expecting an article on fake–if not necessarily ghey–titties…

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 hours ago

Well there goes the highbrow element Z hopes to attract. 😏

Abelard Lindsey
Abelard Lindsey
17 hours ago

This is a good explanation of the Tay Tay phenomenon and where it is going. I also think its because there is so little new music worth listening to that she has little competition, at least among “white” music. Tay Tay has the Swifties and Beyonce has the Beahive.

TempoNick
TempoNick
17 hours ago

Oh, by the way, here is Taylor Swift slumming with the dirt people in 2007 at a Lancaster, Ohio Meijer store. Back when she was a nobody.

https://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/story/news/local/2024/07/11/taylor-swift-meet-greet-autograph-meijer-lancaster-ohio/74368429007/

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  TempoNick
17 hours ago

In case there is a paywall, I archived the story with the Jews: https://archive.is/Jbu9P

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
17 hours ago

I’m waiting for an artificial Jimi Hendrix.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  thezman
16 hours ago

You are wrong here. Yeah, some was crap. But part of the live issue was the tech was simply not there for concerts of this size. Hendrix, when on, was incredible – live. His Maui set is, recording quality aside, an excellent example of how good he was on an average concert. The Beatles, undeniably one of the tightest rock bands of their era, sounded poor live, as well. Though the tech advanced greatly during the 60s, it was still anemic compared to the 70s.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Eloi
12 hours ago

Eloi is correct on all points. I add that Hendrix was evolving into a bona-fide “composer”: he was heading maybe not toward Duke Ellington, but perhaps toward Stevie Wonder?

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  Eloi
8 hours ago

The Beatles hung it up for live performances in 1966 because they couldn’t hear themselves over the screaming girls and the PA and monitor technology was way too primitive to compensate. In the 70’s McCartney had a good run with Wings

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Brandon Laskow
7 hours ago

Yes, I know. That is my point about why Hendrix did not sound good, either. The tech was not there to replicate what one could do in clubs. As a further note, The Beatles would often wave at the crowd to cover up spotty parts that they could not reproduce live, purposefully obfuscating their sound. The tech evolved rapidly with wedge monitors and stacks

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  thezman
16 hours ago

Agreed. The most over rated guitarist who is so far inferior to so many other guitarists of his time and all time. We know why he is so highly lauded.

Pots and pans crashing down a long staircase is the best review of Hendrix I have ever heard.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  RealityRules
16 hours ago

I have to agree. When I was a young ardent hippie I tried so hard to like Hendrix. I had a big poster of him on my wall.

It just wouldn’t take. Eventually I just had to admit to myself that I didn’t really care for most of his stuff.

He definitely was a very creative guitarist, but very sloppy, and overrated.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
13 hours ago

Most negro musicians, even in jazz, are sloppy. They just can’t bother with the discipline that generates precision.

ray
ray
Reply to  LineInTheSand
10 hours ago

Loved the Hendrix version of Bob’s ‘All Along the Watchtower’.

Aside from that, meh.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  ray
6 hours ago

I’m surprised that you’re a Dylan guy Ray, given your cultural conservatism. I don’t mean that disrespectfully, it’s just surprising. Do you like Leonard Cohen?

I guess I still like some of the degenerate rock that I bonded with when I was young.

ray
ray
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 hours ago

I like some of Cohen’s songs, when sung by others. I find his voice distracting, but he sure writes some gorgeous melodies. Chelsea Hotel is a marvelous tune about a sordid event.

I was a guitarist and singer and yes, a big Bobfan. Covered him a lot. Guess I’m a bundle of contradictions like most folks, pretty wild for a Christian and a bit too rock n rolly for a good conservative, perhaps. Yeah it’s true that rock often is a degenerate form. I am a long way from perfect that’s for sure.

Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
Member
Reply to  thezman
15 hours ago

Hendrix was just a wall of discordant, out of tune noise. Not a genius. And for that matter, Jim Morrison’s “poetry” was obscene doggerel. Gently they stir, gently rise.The dead are newborn awakeningWith ravaged limbs and wet souls,Gently they sigh in rapt funeral amazement.Who called these dead to dance?Was it the young woman learning to play the ghost song on her baby grand?Was it the wilderness children?Was it the ghost god himself, stuttering, cheering, chatting blindly?I called you up to anoint the earth.I called you to announce sadness falling like burned skin.I called to wish you well,To glory in self… Read more »

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
14 hours ago

Morrison is crap – the Doors are pretty lousy. I don’t think anyone who actually learns to play Hendrix will say he is sloppy. Listen to the actual guitar in Bold As Love. That is incredibly technical and extremely well-played.
To be clear, I don’t care much for Hendrix’s songs. But his playing, at its best, was extremely proficient and thoughtful. He is far from my favorite guitarist, but your flippant dismissal is simply wrong.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Eloi
12 hours ago

Page was as sloppy as Hendrix, but there was a difference.

I guess my white brain wants a composition like Kashmir or Celebration Day, which Hendrix couldn’t deliver.

On the other hand, Hendrix had an improvisational genius that Page had to a lesser degree.

I think that the great black musicians often had an improvisational genius where they were lacking in composition. James Brown’s compositions were trivial but I love his energy. Maybe Miles Davis as well.

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rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Eloi
12 hours ago

Do you prefer Robbie Kreiger, guitar-wise?
So much comes down to taste: I for one CANNOT STAND Red Hot Chili Peepers (I fly into a rage!), but I loves me some Fishbone, and let’s not get started on Mr. Bungle…go figure!

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  rasqball
11 hours ago

I know The Doors’ hits, and that is it, so I cannot comment further. I cannot stand Kiedis, but Frusciante is one of the reasons I first picked up guitar; I love his playing on BSSM and Californication. Other than that, not much care.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Eloi
12 hours ago

He was at best a decent rhythm player, but playing the most stock chords and derived licks.

The master can’t be topped. Listen to Stevie Ray Vaughn cover Hendrix. The vocals and playing are light years beyond what Hendrix ever could do. It was a lot of hype by people hungry for signs of rebellion and smashing the existing order.

A far better musician was Prince – leagues beyond as a song writer and a guitar player. Even then, listen to a true master cover Prince and play circles around him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–cZjxzMQ34&pp=ygUUcGV0cnVjY2kgcHVycGxlIHJhaW4%3D

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  RealityRules
11 hours ago

I know SRV. I never heard him play a bum note. I could also say that SRV could not play Jeff Beck. Yes, SRV knew more than Hendrix. But what he knew was Hendrix.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  RealityRules
3 hours ago

Idk, Prince was pretty special…
3:30 at the George Harrison tribute:
https://youtu.be/dWRCooFKk3c?feature=shared

His Miami Super Bowl show in the rain…https://youtu.be/-WYYlRArn3g?feature=shared

And there’s an amazing video breaking down the actual live show that recorded the album track for Purple Rain…super cool:
https://vimeo.com/408342652

Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
Member
Reply to  Eloi
10 hours ago

It’s not bad, but his tone is not the best. He did inspire Stevie Ray Vaughn, whose tone was the work of God and his fingers, so he’s not all bad. But if you have the greatest playing and the songs are absolute trash, what’s the point? See Yngie Malmsteen.

Lindsey Buckingham said as much about Van Halen. While I disagree with his view on VH, especially the DLR era, it is a solid criticism of these virtuosos who are great players in service of mediocre music.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
7 hours ago

I agree. But people saying Hendrix is mediocre dont play or know. For the record, I spent about two months getting down Never Going Back Again a long time ago, so this is not out of Hendrix prejudice – I generally dont care for him at all. But I play, I have a good ear, and I hear that term sloppy and people do not know what they are talking about. He was not sloppy at all. His dynamics and his solos are exceptionally good. And, yes, I dont really care for VH, either.

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  Eloi
8 hours ago

Morrison may or may not be to someone’s taste but Manzarek’s and Krieger’s musicianship were no joke.

ray
ray
9 hours ago

Modern Women are FURIOUS because Men are going their own way – it’s hitting them where it HURTS

Men are bailing from our feminist societies and the (fem)State cannot stop us.

Want to see the problem, grrls? Look at yourselves.

Cloudswrest
Cloudswrest
7 hours ago

Much better aesthetics than almost all other pop videos out there. Tall, White, comely, natural scenery, no background darkies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdneKLhsWOQ

No obvious homos, trannies, queers, gyrating sweaty negros, “Chippendale” style background dancers, visible tats, etc.

M. Murcek
Member
11 hours ago

So. Nothing to do with music. Exactly.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
12 hours ago

OT: but funny AF

https://youtu.be/06V_WeW7FZQ

new oliver stone movie is a mashup of The Doors and JFK

only 2:43 so give it a peek and let us know what you think!

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
14 hours ago

If I had it to do all over again, I would be Taylor Swift.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Zulu Juliet
11 hours ago

If I had it to do all over again, I’d do it all over Beyonce Knowles…

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 hours ago

The Dubai Album.

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
15 hours ago

“She is the proof of concept that will lead to the Artificial Tay Tay.”

Stop. We’ve already had an A.I. Tay and she turned into a Nazi!

Last edited 15 hours ago by Mr. Generic
Steve
Steve
15 hours ago

I suppose that’s the logical conclusion to all this. Someday soon, instead of people sharing seeds and parameters to maps in their favorite games, they will share them of “artists” that some “worldgen” created, and they happened to like for whatever reason.

Ploppy
Ploppy
14 hours ago

Why are we talking about Taylor Swift after Trump just announced functionally a 25% federal sales tax?