Time Will Tell

Western countries largely came into being after the Second World War in that their political and economic systems were formed up after the war. There was the aftermath of the war and the Cold War that shaped the political economy of the West. We still talk about “The West” in the 20th century sense of it, despite the fact that the Cold War is long over and many formerly communist countries are in the EU. The West is as much about political psychology as geography.

A part of that political psychology was a Marxist sense that the moral questions had been resolved, at least with regards to politics and economics. Social democracy was rebranded as liberal democracy in Europe and in the United States it was rebranded as democratic capitalism or free market capitalism. The mainstream political parties accepted the consensus on politics and economics but offered small alterations to it to distinguish themselves from the other parties.

In the United States, this meant that the two parties agreed on all the major items like dealing with the Russians but had different approaches to the same goal. In Europe, the main parties decorated themselves with things like environmentalism, socialism, and some cultural items, but they agreed on the most important items which were relations with the United States and anti-nationalism. The former was in response to communism and the latter was in response to fascism.

This is a highly simplified model of post-war reality, but useful in understanding the psychology of voters and the political class. The consensus and faith in it are what shaped politics until the current crisis. Politicians did not have to worry about policies or ideology, as the ideology was settled, so they just had to select from platforms that had been approved within the consensus. The voters showed their displeasure by voting against the incumbent or their satisfaction by voting for him.

Even in the multi-party system of Europe, voting was a binary thing. If the economy was good, then the parties that were associated with the status quo did well, but if the economy was bad, then those parties were punished. In the United States, you had the added aspect of party fatigue. Even in good times, a party that had been in power for too long would lose an election because the voters wanted a new look. Bill Clinton won in 1992 mostly due to this reason.

This worked fine if the public was satisfied with the consensus and no one was permitted to question the consensus. The fear of nuclear war solved the first part during the Cold War and credit money handled it after the Cold War. While there is always discontent, no matter how good things feel, it was never enough to cause any serious doubt about the status quo. The populist rumblings since the Cold War were marginalized by the media and political class.

That is where the second part of the model is important. The political classes in the West became increasing narrow after the Cold War. The seriousness of the situation in the Cold War required serious debate about the issues of the day, so the debate was open to a broader range of ideas. After the Cold War, triumphalism and the economic boom narrowed the range of tolerated opinion. The uniparty concept we see everywhere in the West is a product of this.

This is how the West has reached the current crisis. As the public has grown unsettled about public policy and the fruits of it, they find themselves with no reasonable options at the ballot box. The mainstream parties all hold the same views. This is especially obvious in Europe where parties that are allegedly polar opposites form governments, often as a way to exclude popular outsider parties. Germany and France now have governments without popular support as a result.

The root cause of the crisis in the West is that old Marxist line about once morality is settled, there is no need for politics. The Western consensus was a moral consensus, which means the politics within the consensus were performative. Since the end of the Second World War, the West did not have much in the way of politics, because everyone agreed on the important moral questions. After the Cold War, the moral consensus narrowed, and dissent was exiled.

The current crisis is due to elite moral consensus narrowing to a set of beliefs at odds with the sensibilities of the public. The moral consensus has collapsed with regards to the elites and the public. What the Cloud People believe is not only different from the beliefs of the people over whom they rule, the Dirt People, but it is hostile to the interests of the Dirt People. It is how the shuffling zombie that is the UK Prime Minister can boast about favoring aliens of British subjects.

It is why there is no solution within the democratic process. That process evolved to give the Dirt People choices approved by the Cloud People. There will never be an option to get rid of the Cloud People on the ballot. The point of the democratic process is to confirm to the Cloud People that they are the Cloud People. We see this with Trump, who is like a giant set upon by a massive swarm of bees. The democratic system will defend its master at any cost.

Proof that the universe has a sense of humor is the fact that the West has reached this crisis because the defenders of democracy are daring the people to do what is necessary for the will of the people to be respected by the state. The smug, soyish faces of the male politicians and the schoolmarmish demeaner of the females, reeks of contempt for the voters. They see the people as weak and contemptible for not doing what they should, in response to the elites.

Time will tell if this holds. The election results increasingly show that the public in the West do not like their options. As they search for alternatives, the system seeks to eliminate those options. Maybe the people will run out of excuses and rise up to do what they should have done long ago. Maybe Trump succeeds enough to destabilize the system to the point where it falters and is replaced. Maybe we just keep voting ourselves into civilizational collapse. Time will tell.


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karl von hungus
karl von hungus
14 hours ago

employees don’t revolt politically. and we are (now) an employee nation. if covid responses didn’t cause a revolt, nothing will.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  karl von hungus
14 hours ago

I disagree. Covid (and BLM) were a turning point for many whites. They were caught off guard by both, but they’re ready this time. I’ve had several tell me that if something like that ever starts to happen again, that they’ll be up in arms immediately, ready to quit jobs, hit the streets and tell any white Lib or pushy black to fuc$ off.

And I believe them. I can see it in their eyes. They’re still very pissed off about all of that. It’s just under the surface.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 hours ago

Not until the 401K racket has little or no power over them. Baby boomers are mostly worthless because of this, they have a golden calf on their phones, its called watching their 401k balance. Once the next generation or generations do not have much in the way of a financial stake in the current system then we can get somewhere. Progress takes place one funeral at a time.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
13 hours ago

I’m not saying that these normie whites would riot. I’m simply saying that they’d take a stand against lockdowns, vaccines and anti-white seminars are work.

They’re not ready for the French Revolution, but they have moved.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
12 hours ago

You may be right, there is some resistance building, i am down on my own baby boomer generation right now, Senator Tillis prime example, many boomers are just goobers who trust the system as it is currently. Watch the Mike Pence interview on CNN, Pence in my opinion is not an evil guy, just a baby boomer goober much like Tillis who cannot see anything but trust in his Constitution and the system built around it.

bunions
bunions
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
12 hours ago

Pence is an evil guy.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  bunions
10 hours ago

he literally took a “judas coin” on live tv!

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  bunions
9 hours ago

Like so many “devout Christians”

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
11 hours ago

It is not possible for someone in Pence’s position to be that gullible and stupid

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
8 hours ago

Yes Mr. Giddy, I understand. Boomer that I am, we had it good and I’m grateful. Never bought the collectivist mindset nor trusted the ruling overlords. And learned that socialism always runs out of other peoples’ money. My own husband, bless his little heart, has been captured by Charlie Kirk, the neocons and the Foos ZionPark-ists. No one around me can juggle 3 balls in the air. Back in the 80’s we were curious, we enjoyed thinking and exploring new ideas. Life was exciting and so interesting. I was so very curious about life. Now we live Black tile, white… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Range Front Fault
7 hours ago

Glad to see you’re still swinging Sister…

steveaz
steveaz
Reply to  Range Front Fault
6 hours ago

Gorgeous comment!

I could read your poetics all day!

Bloated Boomer
Bloated Boomer
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
31 minutes ago

“Mike Pence is a good fella”

B00mer’s been watching home shopping again.

Has that nigerian prince come through on his deal yet?

Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
13 hours ago

My wealth isn’t predominantly in any government-sponsored tax scheme like a 401k or magic stock market money. I’m not immune — the government can always fuck with you, tax you into penury, or outright take your wealth “for reasons,” but at least theoretically, what’s mine is mine.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
13 hours ago

You sound hopeful for it all to go belly up and usher another reset to come about. very marxist feel to this. Baby boomers are the least likely to see 401k devaluation as harmful to them as it is to Genx and younger. Most oldies I know have cashed out 401s and the others are not going to welcome your silly prophecy.

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  David Wright
12 hours ago

“Very Marxist feel.” Why not go with “woke right,” James Lindsay? Keep trying. Ain’t working when all we hear is: “Hurr durr u r Marxist.”

People were pissing their pants just three weeks ago when the stonk market kept dipping lower and lower. I know you old folks have short memories, but we had veteran hippies and No Nukes losers from the 1980s out in the streets waving signs reading “HANDS OFF MY $$$ TRUMP.” I think you’re pretty worried. Need some Copium? Hopium? Get it now before the Chinese ships stop arriving.

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  David Wright
11 hours ago

One would move this conversation forward if one would simply speak in more generalized terms of *wealth*. The Boomer generation has much of the wealth, and that is locked up in housing and 401k’s—true. However, this is a *small* percentage of a 77M person cohort. Most retirees today—who are the Boomers—retire with perhaps $150-250k in *wealth* (all assets minus liabilities), depending whom you read. $250K is nothing, especially considering rising inflation. That the followup generations, X’ers, Millennials, Zoomer’s, etc are looking at a bleaker future accumulation of wealth bodes even worse. The problem today is a disparity in wealth among… Read more »

Last edited 11 hours ago by Compsci
Member
Reply to  Compsci
11 hours ago

Basically, the top 20% of the populace has 80% of the wealth give or take.

That’s been the case as long as humans have been able to accumulate wealth, sometimes with a lot worse percentages than that. The alternative is the unproductive riding on the backs of the productive.

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
11 hours ago

You’ve got it backwards. You think Steve Schwarzmann is “productive?” He couldn’t clip his own nails. The soft hands of the sickly financial class’s degeneratees have their hand on our money from our labor. For now.

Member
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
2 hours ago

Then your problem isn’t with “wealth inequality,” but the enrichment of parasitic middlemen. I don’t disagree with you.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
11 hours ago

Agreed. AFAIC, far more important than wealth inequality is overall standard of living. What do I care how much money Musk has so long as I’m financially secure and my standard of living isn’t deteriorating?

Now having said that, I’m a firm believer that personal wealth should be capped in some way. Men should not be richer than entire nations. Such a concentration of wealth confers far too much power, and it is apt to be used harmfully. But saying that is very different than arguing from the standpoint of class consciousness or personal envy.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 hours ago

Good points. I agree, but have no good solution as to the oligarchs we have produced. I fear to become like the Leftists and scream for wealth confiscation and redistribution. Seems it always comes to that—and even when so, it simply redistributes wealth to the unproductive and weakens us overall.

We need a productive and large middle class, which you and I are a part of as you note, to counterbalance the oligarchs we inevitably produce. Somewhat that balance was lost. It needs to be regained.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Vizzini
10 hours ago

You miss the point, which basically you ignored. I’m comparing American of agrarian age into American of industrial age into America of technological age. I’m not concerned—nor should you be—about what the rest of the world was and is. We were different in that we had a true “middle class”. This has vanished. You imply, it never was. You are simply incorrect.

Member
Reply to  Compsci
2 hours ago

Even when the middle class was healthier — we still have one — there was still great wealth inequality. That’s not the main problem. The problem is that the wrong people are getting enriched. Parasitic middlemen. Rootless cosmopolitans.

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ray'
ray'
Reply to  Compsci
10 hours ago

Yup. Rape of the nation by the financial class. Intentional destruction of fatherhood, the middle class, and the nation’s sons.

Calls for retribution. I will not be content with less.

Last edited 9 hours ago by ray'
Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
12 hours ago

AFAIK, most Boomers shouldn’t even have stocks. The oldest Boomers are 80 and the youngest in their 60s. Though interest on bonds are still low by historical standards, they ain’t zero anymore. If you don’t need the money for 25 years, the volatility of the market isn’t that big a deal. Most don’t pay dividends, so you have to sell to get the benefit of a higher price.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
12 hours ago

Standard investment advice: stocks when you’re young, bonds when you’re old.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Dutchboy
11 hours ago

Well it’s red meat when I’m hungry and moonshine when I’m dry/
Greenbacks when I’m hard-up and religion when I die.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 hours ago

Ostei, you have email info (with some blanks) showing before your name above your comments today. FYI.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dutchboy
10 hours ago

Not really as true these days in a market of Fed manipulation of interest rates.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
11 hours ago

One of the effects of the historically aberrant US stock market of the last 80 years or so has been to compress the perception of the time period of “markets always go up over time.” Such that 5-10 years is now considered long term investment, with minimal risk. Sooner or later folks will find out that’s mistaken.

Last edited 11 hours ago by Jeffrey Zoar
Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
10 hours ago

After the crash of 29 the stock market didn’t recover until the 50’s. But back then, if you failed, you were on your own. Not so today. People can’t understand that the stock market has been a larger recipient of welfare then probably any program created for the public since their inception. And that is just since the year 2000.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
10 hours ago

This begs the question of “What’s one’s alternative?”

Bloated Boomer
Bloated Boomer
Reply to  Compsci
20 minutes ago

Raises the question.
Prompts…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
10 hours ago

The bond market is larger over all—way larger—than the stock market. Bonds however have been taking on the chin due to government shenanigans. The stock market is partially used to offset inflation for one’s limited portfolio. It seems since the (after) Reagan years, that the tried and true admonition to “play it safe with bonds” is no longer valid.

ray'
ray'
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
12 hours ago

I make the same point in my post.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
13 hours ago

In other words, this is about survival now. It isn’t about survival in the sense of whether or not you will live an existence. It is about survival in the sense that you live within a system that openly promotes your extinction.

Those are the stakes and young men understand them. As the incoherency and the extent to which we have been stripped naked and left to our own becomes more apparent, the choices of those left to their own will be made. I see the same thing CoSC sees in the eyes of many young men.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  RealityRules
13 hours ago

Younger white men are far more ready to ditch the system than older white men. The older whites won’t put up with anything in the ballpark of Covid or BLM again but will generally stick with the system. Younger whites have zero loyalty to the system.

ray'
ray'
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
12 hours ago

Sure. Many older white men did well by the system and so stick with it.

The younger white men live under cultural pogrom, ongoing third-class status, behind females and of-colors. The entire structure is against them and makes no secret of its hatred for them.

Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
11 hours ago

It’s as the Zman has said on a number of occasions. Risky behavior is one advantage the young have. They haven’t got as much to lose, and more to gain.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Vizzini
9 hours ago

They haven’t got as much to lose, and more to gain.”

…and more time to recover and try again…

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
13 hours ago

They’ll probably never run that particular scam again. Next time, the Thing will be something that catches folks off guard, without a plan, a bolt from the blue, kind of like that was.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
13 hours ago

They’ll try, but there’s only a few ways to run a con. Once you’re looking for them, it’s tough to get away with the scam.

If anything, the next scam will involve the financial system. That’s a tougher one to protest. Who do you attack?

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
12 hours ago

The last scam and one before and the one before all involved the financial system. .com, 9/11, 2008, 2020, all excuses to print more debt and refund their corrupt corporations who can not compete on merit. Why do you think they all gladly jumped on DEI? They know they’re frauds, and they hope to convince the populace that that is ok.

Chris
Chris
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
10 hours ago

Or random kill squads of south-of-the border types hitting various places in all fifty states all at once. Nothing would grind life in this country to a halt faster than that. Remember the DC snipers? No one went out unless they had to, now imagine these invaders getting a “go” signal; they take out repeater towers, as well as smaller power stations. No comms, police are in a panic as these same groups also attack their stations as well. They then move on to random neighborhoods, murdering people in their homes. Remember about ten days ago, state troopers stopped those… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Chris
10 hours ago

They wouldn’t attack the police. The police are their backup, to take out the white people who can defend themselves against marauding idiots but not against a heavily armed, coordinated assault (by idiots).

We’ve seen the trailer for this movie.

We’ve seen it a hundred times.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Chris
9 hours ago

Well, that’s quite the dystopian hypothetical. But what would their motive for mass murder be?

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 hours ago

The next big scam here in Euroweenie land is war, war, war with Russia.

orsotoro
orsotoro
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
8 hours ago

Each financial scam, less of the population has a financial stake, as the 305 became the 10%, then the 1%, then the 0.1% More and more dropped out of the insider class. That’s the killer.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
13 hours ago

Don’t discount the stupidity of the Help and Ho’s, though. There have been feelers put out about bird flu and so forth but those have not gone forward. A lot of rage boiled beneath the surface for years and has started to manifest, so maybe less retarded managers reported that to headquarters.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Jack Dodson
12 hours ago

A person i work with asked me why i still talk about covid (slaps forehead). “Forget how much we lied and fucked up your life!”

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
12 hours ago

Karp’s, “Digital Republic”, is what is on the docket next. You are and will continue to be surveilled online and increasingly in physical space. Whoever controls that apparatus will use it to chill and dispossess their enemies. We all have a digital dossier. You may never know that you are being liquidated. That dossier is shared with every institution and if you are outside of it, you never are permitted in. If you are inside and they don’t want you, you are quietly liquidated. Then, as you have no means to keep your roof over your head, they buy your… Read more »

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  RealityRules
11 hours ago

The only word I’ve never heard Trump say is “white.” He’ll spew out garbage over pencils and baby dolls for children, whatever comes into his head, but the idea of Trump thinking about “white people” is a fantasy. This is a Boomer who spent his career under an ideological regime that told him he was a good and progressive person for hiring minorities and women, and being a hard-ass on young white guys. Some may recall an incident on The Apprentice when a young fella’ made the mistake of referring to himself as “white trash.” Trump fired him on the… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
11 hours ago

Hi Arthur – We fundamentally agree. I don’t think Trump is a bad guy or against us. He is just a child of his generation and a product of his experience. My point was not to build all that dependent upon Trump. Trump is just opening space for what comes next. It is up to Whites to use that space to build what I described. That should not be dependent upon getting the right politician in place. That should be dependent on nothing but organizing so that we are prepared to thrive in the environment that is already here –… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  RealityRules
11 hours ago

A similar battle should be taking place in Kentucky within the Republican party. The guy they ran for governor is running for McConnel’s seat. He is just another like the judge who lowered Anthony’s bail. Even if the ‘Pubs lose the Senate in Kentucky, it is better that that AA mask not win. We can rally and retake that seat at a later time. Not sure how to do that, but it is another battle.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  RealityRules
10 hours ago

The problem with “liquidating” people is that suddenly they don’t have anything to lose. So you either have to do it very, very selectively, such that the vast majority remains safe from it, or else, if you do it at scale and rapidly, you have to accept large risks.

orsotoro
orsotoro
Reply to  RealityRules
8 hours ago

Absolutely. This will be our ‘ Century of Humiliation ‘ to use the Chinese term. The Euro tribes will re-discover our barbarian DNA and evolve back to our earlier, simpler, more loyal in high integrity selves. Then things will be changed by us. Just read Kipling’s ” The Beginnings” ten times, then go away and memorize it and say it every day.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  RealityRules
5 hours ago

Yea I could go over step by step everything you listed Brother and tell you why each one is not possible unless we are in the same area and not scattered out but I think deep down you know that as well as I do so I won’t…

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
9 hours ago

Like World War Three, you mean?

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
13 hours ago

Bird Flu seems to be the latest soup du jour.

As Roger Daltrey once said, I get on my knees and pray we don’t get fooled again.

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  Maniac
11 hours ago

I remember The Who. My cousin attended three or four of their “farewell tours” beginning in the late 1980s, last show ever, final goodbye…until two years later. Hope I don’t die before I get old.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
10 hours ago

“But my dreams, they aren’t as empty as my conscience seems to be”

ray'
ray'
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
9 hours ago

It’s called ‘Behind Blue Eyes’ so it ain’t about a chinaman, put it like that.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  ray'
8 hours ago

Do you know why Pete had an album called “All the best cowboys have Chinese Eyes?”

I think Townsend is vastly overrated but I know that I am unusual.

ray'
ray'
Reply to  LineInTheSand
8 hours ago

I do not know. However, I do know what a Chinese Drive By is.

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
9 hours ago

Was that before or after Daltrey did adverts for American Express. Rock stars are rebels in the same way Alec Baldwin is a responsible gun handler

ray'
ray'
Reply to  Robbo
8 hours ago

We saw what rock stars really are during the Scamdemic. Van Morrison resisted, and Clapton, I think.

Out of the whole pantheon, only a few had any real stones.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ray'
8 hours ago

And none of them were Rolling Stones…

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
13 hours ago

Yes. I have been shocked by the amount of formerly submerged seething that has risen to the surface lately. If the jabs resulted in numerous fatalities, there would be an absolute uprising, but vaccine deaths have nowhere reached that point. As it is, there is what amounts to a bitter Cold War between the Dirts and the Clouds now. As long as they are warm and fed, people will be placated generally, but if the Covid playbook were run again it would cause a straight-up revolt. I agreed with karl von until just recently, too, but although it took a… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jack Dodson
13 hours ago

Yes. You see it in people getting pissed when some blue-haired Lefty or some magic negro tries to use their magic words on whites. Whites don’t just ignore it; they tell them to fuc$ off.

There’s a lot of anger out there over Covid and BLM – and it’s not going away.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
13 hours ago

Good on you to include BLM since that also produced a lot of rage that is starting to surface only now. Attempts to contain anger over blacks and mass migration, which is a third source of rage, are coming up short.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
12 hours ago

And let’s not forget the election theft. Covid, BLM, Biden installation–the bases are loaded. I’m hoping Babe Ruth soon saunters from the dugout…

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
6 hours ago

It speaks volumes that a blatantly stolen election was an afterthought with me.

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Jack Dodson
9 hours ago

I almost want them to try that one again. Things would be very, very different this time

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 hours ago

Yep. At the very least, there’s a widespread feeling that the Woke and Dei crap is over with. It’s like a malignant version of bell bottom trousers. Once day it still seems the hippest thing on Earth; the next, people are shaking their heads and asking “What the F were we thinking?”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dodson
10 hours ago

“If the jabs resulted in numerous fatalities, there would be an absolute uprising,” Define numerous. I maintain we have numerous deaths as compared to what we previously defined as unacceptable—except that these deaths were not immediate (as you and I would understand) and they are from multiple, seemingly unrelated causation. What is currently under examination in many Western nations is the unexplained “all causes” death rate increases post vaccine introduction. This bears watching. That there are increases in the “all cause” death rate and the timing of such (post vaccination introduction) is a pretty solid finding. Now linking such to… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
9 hours ago

If death by vaxx were calculated the way death by Covid was, the numbers might well be astronomical.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Compsci
9 hours ago

Because by a fluke one of them “caught it early” and didn’t just die in her twenties, I recently got to hear a group of young people I know talk about colon cancer. These are far-above-average whites and Asians who in prior generations would have been innovative rising leaders of their fields, embodiments of progress. Instead, they kind of don’t do anything. They’re just old enough to not be “promising” anymore. A fate they’ve all accepted, without explanation, is that surprise fatal cancers just happen now, to younger and younger people—that’s just how it is, they’ve heard—and that getting a… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Hemid
9 hours ago

About 6 years ago, an uninsured colonoscopy cost less than 3 grand out of pocket. I oughtta know. My conclusion is that if someone doesn’t get one, they either don’t want one, or they are abjectly poor with no prospects of ever getting that “huge” sum together, which in AINO today seems kind of far fetched.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
13 hours ago

I wish I saw this. Instead all I see are people telling me that we need to “voat harder” and make sure the “dems” don’t get back in! “And even if they do, I’ll still get up every day and go to work because I have principles!”. There’s only one solution and we all know what that is. And understandably it is not something considered by normie. To make that leap is to sacrifice all that you have because there is no going back. Given the choice they’d rather have their weed, porn and video games. Actually being free is… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tired Citizen
10 hours ago

Of course. You’ve hit upon the old Leftist strategy to gain power. Make life not worth living for the comfortable masses, then them you have an answer to their plight. Of course, you never let on you are the cause of their misery.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Tired Citizen
9 hours ago

Largely agree with you tired – but you can’t expect too much from people. The commentariat here is generally older and financially stable, and their views reflect that. They may not be ‘clouds,’ but they had ‘careers’ and have ‘investments.’ Average Whites today can no longer depend on either. Most here are accustomed to working within the system they’ve known their whole lives, while I’m doing my best to stay out of it. I don’t want to deal with bankers or bureaucrats, I don’t want my name in their systems and records. I don’t plan to live to 95 and… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
12 hours ago

The Covid response is more easily understood as the last/final bastion to be scaled wrt governmental authoritative credibility. That is to say, the people by and large respected the authority and credibility of the national health care system. Yes, we bitched about health care costs and insurance for decades, but always considered the CDC, NIH, HHS, etc to have our best interests at heart outside of the politics of the day. The doctors and scientists within these organizations were considered non-political with the sole, altruistic goal of protecting our health. Those skeptics of the system were marginalized for the most… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Compsci
12 hours ago

I agree with you until the last paragraph: “What it means is that the next pandemic to come about will *not* be prevented or ameliorated as far as is technically possible, but rather treated after the fact as it is shown to be real and people become largely infected and the disease endemic.”

What pandemic did we have before covid? None in my lifetime. And i’d say AIDS was a scare tactic. I’ve never even met anyone in my entire life with AIDS. It’s all bullshit, we’re just witnessing the unraveling.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mr. House
10 hours ago

You’ve never met anyone with AIDS because you are not in those classes of AIDS victims. You are not a homo, or drug user. Simple as that. This means nothing that you’ve not experienced a major outbreak of a crippling disease. Albeit such infection is voluntary in nature. Thanks to vaccines and wide spread information and vaccination movements, we no longer have polio. But my parents remember such major outbreaks. Indeed, my cousin caught polio as a young child and was paralyze by it. I’ve seen the picture and seen the lasting results of her infection. My grandfather was caught… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Compsci
9 hours ago

Was it vaccines or was it sanitation? I’m not so sure anymore.

Shotgun Messenger
Shotgun Messenger
Reply to  Mr. House
8 hours ago

Sanitation actually made polio worse by reducing childhood exposure and therefore resistance, when adult cases have a much higher incidence of paralysis and death. Modern sanitation practices were commonplace for many decades before major outbreaks, not all of them urban, ceased with widespread introduction of the vaccine.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mr. House
6 hours ago

None of the diseases I mentioned have I any recollection of being involved with sanitation—except perhaps AIDS as in don’t stick your disk in someones’s “unclean” ass or don’t reuse “dirty” needles.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Compsci
12 hours ago

If you don’t act like a good boy, santa clause won’t bring you any presents! How are all our crisis of that last 40 years any different?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mr. House
9 hours ago

I’d like to respond, but have not the slightest understanding of your response.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Compsci
9 hours ago

You and i have had nothing to do with any of the crisis since i came of age in the early 2000’s. Yet we are always given the choice of the carrot or the stick. Our foreign policy is causing “terrorists” to attack us? Take away freedom from citizens! Our financial decisions and bubbles crippled a generation? Bailout the people who did it and pay them obscene bonuses! Our tampering with diseases caused and outbreak? Threaten those who refuse our magic jab with jobloss and isolation from society! Did i miss anything?

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Compsci
10 hours ago

Covid was murder, change my mind.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mr. House
9 hours ago

The response to the disease was ill advised and in that many more deaths occurred than would be expected if nothing was done, except standard “cold care”. I’m with you there.

For the claim of murder, one assume intent—or at least gross negligence or malfeasance. This might have occurred, indeed I’d argue that it did occur, in specific aspects of the fiasco.

However, it’s a broad brush you paint with that needs more specificity. So I will not agree with your simplistic comment: “Covid was murder”.

if you want an argument, elaborate.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Compsci
9 hours ago

Putting infected people in nursing homes with other old people with weak immune systems is ok, but young healthy people need to lock down? Drinking in excess can cause inflammation and make you more susceptible to sickness, encourage drinking! Exercise and sunlight make you more healthy, limit or deny people access to these. Fat people are more likely to be unhealthy and get sick, encourage people to be fat assess. It’s all social engineering that led to more death then if they’d done nothing, and they lied about it. Murder

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mr. House
6 hours ago

Drinking and bad food products=Covid=murder is a bit too much of a stretch. Checking old Covid recovering people out of hospitals and into rest homes classifies as gross negligence. Unfortunately, fools like Cuomo who commanded such and more—like respirator care—will never pay the price. Indeed, he’s on his way to be NYC Mayor.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Compsci
9 hours ago

Protesting against lockdowns will cause grandma to die! Protesting for a drug addicted women beater is social justice!

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Compsci
9 hours ago

At best it was involuntary manslaughter. People should still be charged with crimes and punished for such a fuck up.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mr. House
6 hours ago

No, it would be gross negligence resulting in death, which I suppose some State means the same thing under their statutes.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
12 hours ago

Disease caused by microorganisms that one cannot see activate a reason-shackling threat perception response deep in our hindbrains. Threats perceived to come from other humans are an entirely different matter. When those humans are easily classified as ‘other’ either genetically or memetically (culture/behaviors), and when the threats they pose are seen as existential, then an entirely different (instinctive) behavioral response results. This is how pogroms happen.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Horace
11 hours ago

Exactly, when you can be convinced that your neighbor, who didn’t create the disease, is in the exact same situation as you, but disagrees with your politics, is the problem, well you’re on your way to being a nazi.

pyrrhus
Reply to  karl von hungus
12 hours ago

The French Revolution started because of crop failures and consequent starvation, coupled with the financial collapse of the Crown…I suspect that no major revolts will occur until similar events afflict a significant part of the American population…Evidently several million homeless are not enough…

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  pyrrhus
11 hours ago

Honestly, i think the first punch will be thrown by the left. People i know who are “leftists” post on facebook about starving people in America to Justify their politics. Such hyperbole. To be starving in the US you have to be dead.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mr. House
11 hours ago

America was the first nation in history where the impoverished were conspicuously obese.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 hours ago

Much ancient nobility did not live as well

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 hours ago

Not to mention that the impoverished in the ghettos seem to have enough funds for alcohol and/or heavy drug use.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
8 hours ago

Not to mention gold jewelry, 300-dollar basketball shoes and weevez.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
9 hours ago

People do say that. We should doubt it. I don’t mean ackchyually it away. Hawaiians or Samoans or somebody near there probably does have an ancient tradition of universal obesity. I doubt that the average Aztec just recently became a spherical goblin. What I mean is: It’s a “right-wing” thing that you’re allowed to say. There aren’t many of those. And they’re all thematically linked. You can say poor people are fat, that lottery winners go broke (they don’t), that wages cause inflation (they don’t), etc. There’s a feeling that saying these things gives you. They want you to feel… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hemid
7 hours ago

I wasn’t speaking of tribes possessing genetic tendencies to endomorphism. I was speaking to the fact that throughout history dire poverty manifests as malnutrition and even starvation. That is decidedly not the case in postwar America/AINO where the poorest people still manage to ingest enough garbage to make themselves look like walruses, albeit not quite so cute.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  pyrrhus
11 hours ago

Evidently several million homeless are not enough…”

Nope, just another way for liberals to consolidate their hold over government expenditures while enriching themselves and helping almost no one.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Mr. House
9 hours ago

and hurting almost everyone

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  pyrrhus
9 hours ago

Yep. France was boiling for a century before the Bastille was stormed. Despite the anger and frustration of the hoi polloi, it was the 1788 bad harvest and subsequent bread shortages that kicked things off. People right now are still like Wily Coyote: barrelling forward with life, not realising that the cliff edge is behind them. However, there is no avoiding the final cataclysm coming our way. There was just a chance that a Hero figure on a white horse like Trump (yeah, yeah, I know) might stave off disaster for another half century, but that chance has gone. Oh,… Read more »

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  karl von hungus
9 hours ago

Covid didn’t trigger a general rebellion as it should have done. However, I can’t help thinking that it changed something irrevocably in our trajectory. Pardon the pun, but it ripped the mask off our “elites” and showed us what they really are. I remain hopeful. These people are as stupid, arrogant and inflexible as the French aristocrats were up till midnight on 13th July 1789.

I.M. Brute
I.M. Brute
13 hours ago

For years I’ve been advocating for badwhites to boycott all spectator sports, especially NBA and NFL and declare openly this this action is a pro-white statement. No blood spilled, and potentially an attention-getter.

Member
13 hours ago

Since the end of the Second World War, the West did not have much in the way of politics, because everyone agreed on the important moral questions.

One of the more unsettling things for me is the slow realization that I was lied-to about those post-WW 2 moral questions.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  Vizzini
11 hours ago

Yup, me too. Especially the pushing of liberal democracy as not just the greatest but the only legitimate way to organize people.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
14 hours ago

Will be interesting to see what happens if Trump fails and Vance isn’t elected in 2028. That would mark the end of any hope in reforming the system. (Hint: It can’t be reformed, but normies don’t know that.) What will normie whites do?

OTOH, the very few liberals that I am forced to interact with also seem at a loss. Yes, they hate normie whites, but outside of that, they have no vision for the future. Ironically, they are the conservatives, wishing to go back to 2014 and never leave.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
13 hours ago

Of course this will never happen, but I kind of like the concept.

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Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  TempoNick
13 hours ago

A true White ethnostate, duly constituted as such, would take it all, plus Canada and northern Mexico. It would expel most browns, many Jews, and resegregate the Africans who don’t want to leave.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
13 hours ago

For better or worse, I define Traditional America as White European/Roman Empire lands diaspora, black and indigenous (Indians-feather). I’m okay with going back to that kind of makeup, but good luck reversing the damage.

I go back and forth on the Hispanic. This country had a lot of land with indigenous Spanishish populations. I guess they are also Traditional America. (Puerto Rico, Guam, the Western States, etc.)

Not too keen on the growing Asian and African component, however.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
12 hours ago

Once AINO’s political collapse begins in earnest, and autonomous polities begin forming, my prediction is the primary organizational dynamic will be rural vs. urban, which will be roughly coterminous with white vs. wog. Thus, the wogs and the Spiteful Mutants will form city-states, i.e. greater Chicongo, and the whites will create rural polities, i.e. downstate Illinois, athough these polities won’t have to respect existing state lines.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TempoNick
9 hours ago

The problem with the above is that 1) a great migration will be necessary because none of these states is more than 50% the labeled “ethno”, and 2) these ethnostates when created will be “failed” States shortly after creation. One need only to examine their related countries of population/ethnic origin to see this. America does not contain “magic dirt”.

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Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
13 hours ago

It’s already looking like a titanic struggle between Vance and Rubio for the GOP nomination, as proxies representing Tech and Finance respectively. As always much will depend on the economy and war, also whether the Democrats are sane enough to nominate a white governor, rather than a BIPOC congressional gadfly.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
7 hours ago

If the Ds aren’t dumb enough to nominate yet another woman (and they might be), then they will probably hand pick the first jew, Shapiro. Can he pass as white? 60 years ago he couldn’t have, but maybe today he could

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 hours ago

That’s the most likely scenario. Everyone will be sick and tired of Trump by 2028 and the GOP is stupid enough to hand power back to the Dems. And the Dems will be even crazier next time. As Z says, there is no solution from within the system.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Robbo
6 hours ago

One should not forget the wise example of Z-man wrt the fickleness of the masses. Reagan’s goodwill handed the election handily to Bush I. Bush I kicked ass in the Gulf War and we were in a role, but a year or so later a hick named Clinton came along and you know the rest.

John Donald
John Donald
14 hours ago

Time will tell. You bet it will. It doesn’t look like Trump will shake up the feds enough. The next group will need to continue his reorganization.

No amnesty.
A moratorium on all immigration. 
Repeal the immigration act of 1965.
Deportation of anyone here illegally.
Secure the border. 
Prosecute anyone that knowingly hires an illegal. 
End birthright citizenship. 

if we can accomplish these things and deconstruct the federal leviathan we may have a chance.

sorry, forgot to mention caning.

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TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  John Donald
14 hours ago

They really do need to get rid of the filibuster. The filibuster is what keeps bad laws from ever being repealed.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TempoNick
11 hours ago

Again, only one side of the cost/benefit equation. An equally good case can be made for the “bad” laws that were never passed due to filibuster.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  John Donald
13 hours ago

Unfortunately, the legal immigration and the desire to bring in foreign capital that brings in new economic elites who are alien and often hostile is the lynchpin. We just saw a tag team of that in action. Mayorkas dumps and selectively distributes tens of millions of settler colonists throughout the countryside and small cities. He cites that this is a, “broad and general set of guidelines”, to make it happen. Talawi sits as the judge and decrees that 400,000 of these invaders all need their own trial. Mayorkas the tired, the poor, the hungry, the refugee came here and went… Read more »

John Donald
John Donald
Reply to  RealityRules
12 hours ago

All roads lead to these things as a start. I doubt we will get to any of it. The idea of a white homeland looks to be the only way to accomplish anything. Riding the wave of current events with the players we have I don’t see anything changing for the better. The west is going through a metamorphosis. What will it become? Government is a service. Let legitimate purpose in enumerated powers be the driving force in Government. Operationally the idea of the states with a federal partnership could work. Over time unfortunately the US has become the USSA.… Read more »

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Obsequious groveller
Obsequious groveller
Reply to  John Donald
12 hours ago

It’s funny to watch Trump “chumming”, throwing blood in the water to see which countries rise hurriedly to the bait to make a deal, while Trump waits, changes the rules, and then swoops in to make a better deal. Me, I’d go meh, call me when things settle down.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  John Donald
11 hours ago

1965 immigration act was illegal cause it was meant to change the demographics. All nonwhites who benefited from it must be despoiled and repatriated

Member
13 hours ago

daring the people to do what is necessary for the will of the people to be respected by the state

Maybe we can call it “The Second Battle of Shiloh.”

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Member
Reply to  Vizzini
12 hours ago

Ramzpaul! Dude! Did you just steal my “Battle of Shiloh” reference? I expect credit!

https://www.youtube.com/live/3Tx3IEsrxtU?si=E8FwRJ0OJMX1FuU7

TempoNick
TempoNick
14 hours ago

“In the United States, this meant that the two parties agreed on all the major items like dealing with the Russians but had different approaches to the same goal.” —– What’s to deal with anymore? Back in the last century, there was a broad consensus that communism was a menace to our way of life. The current situation sounds more like the case of a government initiative that no longer serves a useful purpose, scraping around for ways to perpetuate it’s existence. Like the washboard inspector trying to keep his job. I’m not saying the Russians are good, but being… Read more »

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John Donald
John Donald
Reply to  TempoNick
14 hours ago

Our foreign policy should be simple.
Trade with us in peace and prosperity.
It should be our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  John Donald
13 hours ago

I agree with one caveat. Since we were a nation of European diaspora, I don’t know that I have a problem with maintaining close ties to our various motherlands. But since the government decided that this was going to become a third world dump, I don’t know that this is tenable anymore.

John Donald
John Donald
Reply to  TempoNick
12 hours ago

Close ties. No entangling engagements.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TempoNick
11 hours ago

It’s not, but we *should* become a White haven of refuge for displaced, but right-thinking Europeans—not a third world haven of refuge for non-white third worlders who will/can never assimilate White values and culture.

John Donald
John Donald
Reply to  Compsci
10 hours ago

Whether by declaration or default a white homeland is possible.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  John Donald
9 hours ago

Yes, given sufficient time. I suppose the odds are fairly slim that we will live long enough to see it.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  John Donald
9 hours ago

Only if we are independent of the current Federal government can a White homeland be effected.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  John Donald
10 hours ago

Agreed. And the military’s posture and capabilities should be overwhelmingly defensive. That would mean, among other things, abandoning NATO, shuttering all BFE military bases around the planet, and returning all military personnel stateside. Of course, if Trump tried to do this he’d be Kennedyed in a New York minute.

John Donald
John Donald
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 hours ago

Getting out of NATO is paramount. So is shutting down the American Empire. Let the US worry about North America if it feels it needs to worry about something. Trump is in danger even if he doesn’t shut down the military industrial complex/empire. Regardless it’s highly unlikely he will be able to accomplish all that needs to be done.

Lewis
Lewis
12 hours ago

People are still arguing about political principles, emphasis and nuance on a party basis. It’s far too late for such debates. The range of threats to Britain’s future is much wider than even during the Second World War because it includes irreversible social, cultural and demographic changes.

We are entering an area of darkness, and there’s no way we can vote ourselves out of it.

ray'
ray'
12 hours ago

‘The smug, soyish faces of the male politicians and the schoolmarmish demeaner of the females, wreaks of contempt for the voters. They see the people as weak and contemptible for not doing what they should, in response to the elites’ Reeks. Wreaks is what you should be doing. American men are ruled by their inferiors: weak, colluding men and empowered, incompetent princesses. A plutocratic gynarchy. ‘As for my people children are their oppressors, and women rule over them’. (Isaiah 3:12) White men are divided because some are weak, ignoble men and some are enablers, funders, and enforcers of the princesses.… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
14 hours ago

Back when China prospered, western Elites decided the Chinese wise man/expert Central Committee model was better than messy democracy. We all can recall Tom Friedman’s book/op-eds. It’s “Government without Feedback”. The crucial assumption is the ruling Elites are competent enough such that no feedback from Dirts (or even the bond market, which has been nationalized everywhere) is necessary. After 20 years of failure, it’s now obvious this doesn’t work. The Dirt revolt is a logical consequence. So they clamp down on democracy and feedback even harder. Reform will come after total system failure.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Captain Willard
10 hours ago

I argue China is not an example of a failed system any more than the present USA is an example of a failed system—which it is. I’d rather work on improving the China experiment than the American experiment. I’d expect more success.

lavrov
lavrov
14 hours ago

I would also argue that the post-WWII model faced financial challenges in the 70s, and then a consensus decision was made to sustain it with debt. When Soviet Union disintegrated, politicians felt vindicated about their decision to sustain the model with debt. As a result, the amount of debt injection grew exponentially over time.

That is what is causing the current crisis. European leader class, and to some extent Americans, feel that taking over Russian resources is the only way to maintain their current debt trajectory.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  lavrov
13 hours ago

Good luck on that. The only way to do that would have been to bring Russia into their orbit, but that ship has sailed.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  lavrov
12 hours ago

I agree 100%, but i think the switch to debt had to do more with a loss of cheap energy. It is what makes our entire civilization possible. The cheap debt lost its magic in 08, and that is why green and gender bullshit started to be parroted in overdrive in the 2010’s. They’re trying to get people to accept a very reduced standard of living by telling them its for a good cause (which is bullshit). Like the church selling indulgences during medieval times to “forgive” your sins.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  lavrov
12 hours ago

Actually the cheap debt lost its magic in the .com burst i’d argue. Remember the “jobless” recovery they never stopped talking about after that? I do

Mycale
Mycale
11 hours ago

The Europeans have been given no relief valve whatsoever. They don’t even have fake opposition like the Republican party. Even the fake and literally gay opposition like the AfD are now in the process of being banned. I don’t know what this will translate to. They’ve managed to put out a lot of populist fires over the past 10 years but it isn’t stopping and I don’t know if they think they’re doing a good job or they are fighting a losing battle. Obviously, for now, we still have that relief valve but I suspect, not for long. When and… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Member
12 hours ago

The Western consensus was a moral consensus, which means the politics within the consensus were performative

I have a hard time believing this. The morality aspect is an after the fact rationalization. The managerial elite is nothing if not compliant. They change their ‘deeply held beliefs’ literally overnight. We saw it with Covid, we saw it with trannies and we saw it with gay marriage and other examples.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
9 hours ago

I assume Z was speaking more broadly, i.e. fighting global communism was the moral consensus during the Cold War, and group hyper-egalitarianism is the moral consensus of postmodernity. The elites definitely shilly-shallied on specific issues, as you point out, but remained fairly constant regarding the bigger picture.

Karl Horst
Karl Horst
8 hours ago

With the US as the “big brother”, the snotty nosed European “little brother” can no longer run his mouth since big brother isn’t going to help protect him anymore. And about time too. Germany and France talking about going toe to toe with Russia is a good way to get their asses handed to them. They didn’t care when energy prices went through the roof but the tax payers sure did. And now the Euro elites think they can “rebuild” a military that never existed out of thin air and go up against Russia and possibly China backing them. I’m… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
12 hours ago

Trump was elected to save the system by people who still believe in it. The tariffs he has supported are intended to repatriate the economy and will do so given time. Meanwhile, there will be pain. As Z Man noted, voters tend to vote with their pocketbooks. If they are not willing to put up with the pain, Trump and his political supporters will be replaced by the same old crowd that got us in this mess. Then the fur will fly and we shall see if these predictions of secession and white ethnostates are wishful thinking or inspired prediction.… Read more »

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  Dutchboy
11 hours ago

You can’t possibly believe that tens of millions of Americans are going to start making shoes and yoga pants and backpacks in factories at $25/30 an hour. Do you?

The factories will be almost entirely automated. You need to think more about this. You are wishing and hoping and dreaming of things that can no longer happen.

Bitter reactionary
Bitter reactionary
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
10 hours ago

There will be a lot of automation but very few facilities can really run lights-out. It “can” be done but is still a very capital intensive affair that isn’t a no-brainer to justify. It will never look like the 1950s again, but manufacturing engineers, maintenance techs, some machine operators or material handlers, etc will be unavoidable. Then there’s the office staff. Also, expansion of the local supply base for raw materials to feed those largely-automated facilities. In the end it must happen, one way or another. It’s impossible for the US to maintain the current SOP forever. Services and airplanes… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
6 hours ago

I realize there will be much automation (it’s happening in China too). The point is that domestic production creates domestic wealth. Production in China creates wealth for the Chinese.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
13 hours ago

They see the people as weak and contemptible for not doing what they should, in response to the elites.”

Mirrors images. You get the government you deserve.

bunions
bunions
Reply to  Paintersforms
11 hours ago

On a personal level? I’m responsible for how you vote or how George Soros contributes money to a plethora of NGOs in Washington? When you look at the sheer volume of money which flows into, say, Belgian politics from NGOs ,corporations, and foreign intelligence agencies do you not think it absurd to expect a working-class Belgian to take personal ownership of the effects of this process? How does USAID money pouring into Brussels not change the relationship some dude in Charleroi has with the political system? If the system becomes increasingly opaque and materially disassociated from Belgians then how can… Read more »

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  bunions
10 hours ago

Deep down, I’ve never had much faith in the common man, but I fought it, because good people don’t think that way. Covid disabused me of all that. Don’t see many victims these days. Much more right-wing, too, I’d say. Much more elitist, more self-confident— and importantly, much more willing to prove it. No sense making excuses. Don’t like quoting Yoda, but do or do not, there is no try. I just don’t see people backing up their complaining, and as someone who, at the least, put his livelihood on the line in the plague years, it rubs me the… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
11 hours ago

If you’ve got a sufficient hold on power such that you can’t be voted out (which they do), and you are able to make Line Go Up in perpetuity (which they have been), then why change anything? They can’t possibly doubt their ability to do the former, since it is absolute, so it must be their ability to do the latter which they doubt. They must doubt it, or they would not be pursuing things like the Digital Panopticon/CBDC, which are not merely figments of DR imagination. The DP has been in implementation at least as far back as the… Read more »

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
14 hours ago

AUGUSTINE: Therefore, if a people is well-ordered and serious-minded, and carefully watches over the common good, and everyone in it values private affairs less than the public interest, is it not right to enact a law that allows this people to choose their own magistrates to look after their interest—that is, the public interest? EVODIUS: It is quite right. AUGUSTINE: But suppose that the same people becomes gradually depraved. They come to prefer private interest to the public good. Votes are bought and sold. Corrupted by those who covet honors, they hand over power to wicked and profligate men. In… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Hi-ya!
10 hours ago

Exactly. The assumption is that all people are equal! In the above case, equally virtuous—and that being so, should have a say in the society’s direction and function. This has never been the case, so we immediately revert to Augustine’s alternative—rule by the few virtuous that any society produces *and* can be *idenitified*! So we immediately jump to the (missing) third point in the dialogue—how to identify the virtuous of the populace and allow them to “rule” their society. So far we’ve not even attempted to do such, albeit we were arguably in better hands/understanding immediately following the creation of… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
9 hours ago

The trend now is to divest the virtuous of any governmental say-so and transfer electoral swat to the fiends, finks, freeloaders and felons. Ergo, the worse conditions become, the more power is handed to those who made things worse. The very opposite of Augustine’s postulate.

RealityRules
RealityRules
9 hours ago

A Catholic school in Treviso sent all of the kindergartners to a mosque. They were welcomed by the Immam and then proceeded to kneel and bow their heads to the ground facing Mecca. The school board disavowed responsibility saying this was a choice by an individual school. The parents apparently approved of this visit ahead of time. It isn’t clear if they knew what it would entail. Lega Nord is renouncing this. At some point, the enemies within, a bigger liability than those without, will have to be dealt with by some other means than finger wagging and media outrage.… Read more »

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  RealityRules
8 hours ago

JP2 the Great Koran Kisser approves!

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  RealityRules
8 hours ago

B16, ol’ red shoes,another pretend pope, did that 30 years ago at the blue mosque, which he called “a jewel”. The vatican2 church is not the Catholic Church

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TomA
TomA
13 hours ago

No, will shall not stand on the sidelines, cross our fingers, and hope for the best! That is an egregious insult to our forebears who stood up and shed blood so that we may live in freedom. The enemy is inside the gates, and we have no choice but to fight. There is nowhere to retreat to. We are not weak and they are not numerous. Our birthright is work ethic and innovation. Every garage is a factory and the fog of chaos is your friend. We will not go down without a fight. It is our cause that is… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
6 hours ago

A strange thing has happened throughout the West.
The political cesspit has become none-Newtonian. Gravity has been repealed and the densest filth rises to the top.

I can’t recall a time of such uniform stupidity.

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
10 hours ago

Colorado has historically been one of the best run dem states and still is – but they might pass a bill that would effectively abolish any limit for gender treatment (HRT/GCS).

Obviously it sounds crazy but is it metaphorically a cat marking its territory and saying “stay away” and in this case “stay away republicans”. In the 90s, Colorado had a lot of migration to the state that was republicans from Southern California who worked in the defense industry. Is this an attempt to say, “don’t come here”?

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
10 hours ago

edit: any age limit on line 2

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
9 hours ago

Trump and the deplorables are against it, so being for it must be the moral thing. I don’t believe it’s any more complicated than that.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
10 hours ago

AUGUSTINE: The conclusions that we have reached thus far indicate that a mind that is in control, one that possesses virtue, cannot be made a slave to inordinate desire by anything equal or superior to it, because such a thing would be just, or by anything inferior to it, because such a thing would be too weak. Just one possibility remains: only its own will and free choice can make the mind a companion of cupidity,
EVODIUS: I can’t see any other alternative.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
13 hours ago

The rising debt will tell.

RealityRules
RealityRules
14 hours ago

I agree.

Danny 2.0
Danny 2.0
9 hours ago

Don’t make the mistake of believing a man of peace is unskilled at war.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
9 hours ago

EVODIUS: You’re right; it can’t be denied that we have a will. Do go on—let’s see what you deduce from that fact.AUGUSTINE: I shall. But first tell me whether you think you have a good will.EVODIUS: What is a good will?AUGUSTINE: It is a will by which we desire to live upright and honorable lives and to attain the highest wisdom. So just ask yourself: Do you desire an upright and honorable life and fervently will to be wise? And is it indisputable that when we will these things, we have a good will?EVODIUS: My answer to both questions is… Read more »

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JaG
JaG
13 hours ago

Things are gonna change. Do the math…

https://hwfo.substack.com/p/the-surprisingly-solid-mathematical

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  JaG
9 hours ago

“Stormwater Hydrology and the Mathematics of Unlikely EventsI’m not a writer by trade. I’m a stormwater hydrologist, and in my opinion, a pretty good one. Hydrology is the science of tracking water as it moves through the water cycle, from ocean evaporation through cloud formation, precipitation, groundwater infiltration, runoff, evapotranspiration, riverine hydraulics, and the time series behavior of reservoirs.” Hoo-boy. You can tell, this one is going to be interesting. Thanks, JaG! I was catching up on the background of both the fall of Russia and a bit on the Jeet War of “towels versus bowels.” First, the UK and probably… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
8 hours ago

(Edit won’t take:)
Stormwater Hydrology and the Mathematics of Unlikely Events
“I’m a stormwater hydrologist…” Thanks, JaG!

Related, both the fall of Russia and the Jeet War of “towels versus bowels.”

First, the UK and probably US are going to see a massive influx of Pajeet refugees.

Second, the conservatives will always get their capitalism wrong: they assume that capitalism assures legality, that is, legal process.

It didn’t in Russia with the rise of the homegrown oligarchs, as USAID and Harvard designed their privatization of SOEs, state organized enterprises.
They offshored Russia just as they offshored the USA.

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