Carny Life

If you have ever been to a concert where the acts are from the golden age of rock music, you probably noticed that they seem naturally good. They know their material and they know their audience. There is a high production quality to the show and the performers professionally do their best material. The reason for this is they have done it for so long, they know what works and what does not work. Old carnies seem so good because they have been at it for so long.

Successful comics will often talk about how they got some advice from an old comic that changed their approach and launched their career. The old comic, after years of trial and error, figured out the formula and passed it onto the young guy, who then avoided the trial-and-error part to produce a popular act. Experience is the best teacher, especially in the circus. It is why long-running television shows seem so much better in terms of production quality at the end than in the beginning.

You see this with Jordan Peterson. Here is a recent video of Peterson interviewing an up-and-coming political carny named James Lindsay. The difference between the two is striking because at this point, Peterson is an old hand. He has been doing his act for so long he no longer knows where the act ends, and he begins. Lindsay, on the other hand, is on his third act now, this one is something called “woke right”, so he is still working out the kinks in his performance.

Of course, it is possible that the reason Lindsay comes off as a crazy person is that he is suffering from some sort of mental illness. There are signs that he may be struggling to keep it together. The darting eyes and the facial tics suggest he is not entirely sure if what is coming out of his mouth is what he hears in his head. It does not help that it seems like his chin is retreating into his skull. He looks like a guy who spends far too much time with his model trains.

It is an interesting interview from the perspective of carny life. Usually, we get the stories of old carnies passing wisdom onto young carnies from the perspective of the old carny reflecting on his early career. In this video we get to be at the table as the old carny talks to the young carny, trying to help him out in his career. It is important to note that carnies are carnies all the time. It is a lifestyle choice. That means that even when they are talking shop, they are performing.

In the case of Peterson, his act is now familiar, and he has done it for so long that it feels completely natural. It is like how Kevin Costner no longer seems like a terrible actor because he has been doing the same act for decades. His robotic line reading is now part of the character we know as Kevin Costner. You see this with musicians like Bruce Springsteen, who are terrible singers, but their terribleness over a long period of time is now part of their appeal.

Now, if you look at Peterson when he was still working out the kinks in his act, you see the beginnings of the current act. There are the carefully considered facial expressions, the long contemplative pauses, and the endless word salad that his target audience naturally confuses with profundity. Of course, Peterson looks like he is still high from his weekend trip to Miami because he was probably taking drugs. This video was before he went to that mysterious Russian “detox” facility.

The comments in that old Peterson video are interesting. One commenter wrote, “I love how he´s always picking the water cup up but then becomes engaged in what he´s saying and ends up putting it down without having had a drink.” Peterson still does this bit when he has the prop available. Good carnies study their audience and that is what he is trying to tell Lindsay in that interview. The successful carny sticks with what works and drops the stuff that bombs.

James Lindsay is not Jordan Peterson and never will be. That is another thing about the successful carny. His act makes him a popular personality and it is his personality that becomes the main draw for the audience, not the act. The audience will tire of the bit eventually, but they will stick with a favored personality. Lindsay is simply too weird to have that sort of appeal. He is the guy who stands too close to you in the checkout line, not a guy you watch from the comfort of you livingroom.

In that interview, you see something else about carny life. Peterson is happy to bring on Lindsay because he knows Lindsay is a one hit wonder. Acts like his are props for the guys who have broken through and become established performers. Soon, people get bored of the “woke right’ nonsense. For now, old hands like Peterson can use the popularity of a guy like this in his own act. One of the cold hard truths about carny life is that there is no honor among carnies.

Another of those truths is that even the top acts in the circus run their course. Peterson is showing all the signs of a fading star. The culture is changing, so the old acts from the censorship era are not as edgy now. Peterson is an old crooner just as bands are growing their hair long and singing about drugs. The act is fine and still has its appeal, but it is no longer what the cool kids want. Another thing about carny life is that eventually, the dogs bark and the circus moves on.


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Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
6 hours ago

There is no more successful carny than Sean Hannity. 29 years (!!!) he’s been running his schtick on Fox News. That’s a man who knows how to stay in good graces with the higher ups. Many others have come and gone in that time, fallen out of favor. Yet he’s still in that same time slot, still saying the same tired old things. Who watches this? What pathetic people they must be! I’ve told this story here once before, I tell it again. On a road trip last year, in my hotel room, I turned on Fox News (something I… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
5 hours ago

I am baffled he still has an audience. I suppose if the old people who watch fade away to a point where FOX cancels his show Hannity is old enough and has enough money to retire with ease. He sounds like a completely different person than he did when the FOX guests were an endless parade of Neocons. Just shifts like the wind and acts like he never held the old position. Checking Hannity’s website it looks like he had Newt Gingrich on recently. I suppose there is no harm in old Republicans thinking about their glory days, but I… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Barnard
5 hours ago

Last time I checked, The Simpsons and Family Guy are still creating new seasons. Who watches those shows anymore? I guess FOX is the Eternal Boomer that can’t let go. Except for Tucker Carlson.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Marko
5 hours ago

I don’t watch network TV and had no idea those shows were still on, who could possibly still be watching them? Network shows have such low ratings now they must use anything they can to fill up the time.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Barnard
4 hours ago

Does anyone under 45 watch network TV? Who will they try to appeal to as the boomers die off? I will read the back of a cereal box (and I don’t eat cereal) before I will watch tv – which I haven’t done in years.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  thezman
3 hours ago

I watched 60 minutes with my father when I was a kid in the ’60s and early ’70s. It’s not just that my politics have changed – I have no patience with the commercial breaks and the pace of information. Same reason I mute all YT videos and watch/skim at double speed with closed captions. Yes, sometimes I miss some details, but in general I process information fairly quickly, and I will pause and open another link to check, compare, and then come back.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  thezman
3 hours ago

Whenever I watch sportsball on network TV (sorry!) I am astounded by the shows they are peddling. CBS has been the #1 channel for years because they figured all this out and have been making boomer procedurals and been cleaning up. The latest one is “Watson” which is kind of like a poor man’s House with a black guy.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Mycale
2 hours ago

I prefer Eddie Murphy’s Mr. Robinson’s Neighborhood for that.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  thezman
3 hours ago

The earliest tv I remember watching (other than the Thanksgiving Day parades) was “Car 54 Where Are You?” which ran from ’61-’63. And it was before we moved, so I was 3-4 years old. The latest I watched was Star Trek re-runs in the ’70s, and then years later my son had me watch Firefly.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  thezman
8 minutes ago

Z: The television demo is aging quickly.

Have you ever noticed how quickly an Octogenarian or Nonagenarian woman can grab the corded telephone and call up QVC or HSN, to surrender her credit card number for WTFE piece of made-in-china garbage is the new to-die-for bauble?

The Silents are sitting upon bajillions in cold hard cash.

The talmudvisionists will continue milking that shiksa herd for years & years into the future.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  3g4me
4 hours ago

Linear broadcast television is all but dead now. Cable has at best another five or ten years. I suspect a lot of black money is now propping up broadcast (USAID is not alone in funding these things) but its efficacy is making even that investment dubious.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 hours ago

PBS will still be in bidniss long after all the cockroaches have been exterminated…

Pozymandias
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 hours ago

If all the roaches die where will they get hosts and narrators for their shows?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
3 hours ago

And not just any cereal box, but Grapenuts even…

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  3g4me
3 hours ago

Here are the ratings for this Tuesday night. The highest rating show with 5.6 million viewers is a propaganda show about the FBI on CBS. In the 90s, the top rated shows had four times that many viewers. A show with 5.6 million would have been canceled. The ad revenue can’t justify the cost, even with cable fees. Some of these shows have been on for decades like NCIS and the Law and Order franchise. Fox is running a show I had never heard of before looking this up called “The Cleaning Lady” with an absurd plot that has to… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Barnard
16 minutes ago

I know they all have an agenda to push, but if no one is watching how does that benefit them? Who is paying for all this? Or is it just another perpetual motion machine that will endlessly churn out the same shite?

Pozymandias
Reply to  3g4me
2 hours ago

I wonder if the online Lefties still like to loudly proclaim that they “don’t have a television”. I mean there are probably more people who don’t have a TV now simply because they can’t afford the $200/mo cable fees. I think they killed analog broadcasts so would there even be anything to watch if you had a TV and no cable subscription?

I guess the purple-haired will always find some way to advertise their superiority to the Dirt people. Probably now it’s “I quit Twitter for Bluesky because Elon Musk is a Nazi”.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Pozymandias
12 minutes ago

The previous owners of our property left us the flatscreen that they used, and there is still a small satellite dish on the roof – but we have never even turned the thing on to see what kind of reception we’d have. We watch and discuss what we’re interested in online; no need for tv. And I’m proud my husband gave up network football cold turkey.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Pozymandias
7 minutes ago

Last time I was around some baizuo, that actually came up, that they didn’t watch TV. Which baffled me, because how else did they know and believe all the globohomo talking points they were spewing?

NoName
NoName
Reply to  3g4me
15 minutes ago

3g4me, there are still millions upon millions of SILENTS who watch Talmudvision religiously. The Silents were born circa 1926 to 1945. The Silents are now roughly 80 to 101 years old, and there are probably more than 15 million of them still alive. Silent B!tch McConnell is just now finally deciding to retire. Silent Nancy Pelosi only retired two years ago. Silent Chuck Grassley is the president pro tempore of the United States Senate, and has already filed for Re-election in the 2028 senate race. Silent TOM SELLECK is just now finally wrapping up his TV career as “Frank Reagan”,… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Marko
3 hours ago

The Simpsons first aired during the reign of Hetepsekhemwy. Old VHS recordings were discovered in his tomb beneath a pyramid.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Barnard
5 hours ago

He is to “conservatism” what Lawrence Welk was to entertainment. It’s amazing how long carnies can get paid for the same schtick.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  Barnard
4 hours ago

My father records him every night

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Hi-ya!
4 hours ago

You could consider an intervention

ray
ray
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
4 hours ago

And there are detox places for this. Like here.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hi-ya!
3 hours ago

You need to sit him down and smarten him up with a few well-chosen quotes from Sobran and Augustine.

lavrov
lavrov
Reply to  Hi-ya!
3 hours ago

divorce him 🙂

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Barnard
4 hours ago

Newt’s still around? Good grief. I figured he’d commenced to pushing up daisies several years ago.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
5 hours ago

Agree on Hannity. We watch Jesse Watters because he is funny and takes joy in mocking the Left. But he leads into Hannity, and we can’t change the channel fast enough. He always starts with “breaking news”, but then just gives a 20 minute monologue on the the same stories you have heard about all day.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
5 hours ago

Fox news is to a hotel room what CNN is to an airport waiting area. The only difference is you can turn off Fox news.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
5 hours ago

Simple….he’s what you call a “team player” He gets his talking points and the topic for the day and then he does the bit. Frankly, I think he is an unwatchable mess, but he’s a good boy and does what he is told and so he gets paid and keeps the gig. But why? He already has a bunch of FU money. He’s a top Fox News host and a syndicated talk radio guy. He’s probably worth 10s of millions. Like a true carny, he loves the spotlight, but he’s an old dog that cannot learn any new tricks. He… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 hours ago

It’s plausible that the money isn’t really his, and he has to dance for the organ grinder to keep it

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
4 hours ago

Shamelessness is the hallmark of a successful carney along with an ability to adjust accordingly. In addition to mouthing his Golden Oldies nonstop, Hannity on rare occasion can do a 180 and it is not noticed. Know who else is excellent at that? Trump, and that’s not a slam. I caught Hannity’s radio broadcast a while back and he was railing on Zelensky. The last account I had of him was an interview with Sean Penn before the latter decided to go to the Ukraine as a mercenary. The official Left is not alone in its Always at War with… Read more »

roo_ster
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 hours ago

The only person I know who watches Hannity is in their 80s and has had a few strokes.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
28 seconds ago

Hey Jeffrey, you’re a great American.

Vizzini
Member
6 hours ago

I hated Jordan Peterson before it was cool.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Vizzini
5 hours ago

He’s just a gatekeeper with an annoying accent.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 hours ago

He called Joe Rogan “darling” in one of his early episodes with Joe

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 hours ago

And an annoying daughter. At least he kinda of hides he’s a carney, she’s the epitome. White Trash that has an education

Pozymandias
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
44 minutes ago

Blame Canada.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Vizzini
5 hours ago

I never even could work up hate for Peterson. Disgust was the best I could do.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dodson
4 hours ago

I’ve never watched him, but he makes me miss MSNBC already.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  Vizzini
4 hours ago

Hehe good one

mmack
mmack
6 hours ago

You see this with musicians like Bruce Springsteen, who are terrible singers, but their terribleness over a long period of time is now part of their appeal.

No combination of terribleness and time will make Neil Young appealing.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  mmack
6 hours ago

A discerning eye and a small bit of musical literacy can help a person differentiate between the manufactured acts who were handpicked for stardom and the ones who made it on real ability, sometimes in spite of suppression by the industry. Somebody mentioned Van Morrison the other day. Makes for a good contrast with Young.

ray
ray
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
4 hours ago

Yeah I mentioned Van as one of the few old timey rockers who denounced the Scamdemic.

I used to cover his ‘Brand New Day’. Great songwriter.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ray
3 hours ago

That song “Brown-Eyed Girl” was originally “Brown-Skinned Girl,” but he changed the title and lyrics because oil-drilling was still something of a taboo at that time.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  ray
2 hours ago

I have repeatedly invoked the same credit to Van. He and Eric Clapton were vocal about the outrageous events. He, Van, is still being sued by the Northern Irish head of health (whatever the title is). I love Van. No joke – one of my daughter’s first complex words was “Van Morrison.”
Though he hasn’t put out a good album for about 10 years, his most recent single, “Down to Joy,” is actually a pretty good track. You should check it out, if a fan.

Zfan
Zfan
Reply to  mmack
6 hours ago

I don’t have the most discerning tastes, but I still like Neil Young’s music from about 5 decades ago. He may not have aged well, but I think his recorded music has.
again, that is my taste. Don’t care for his politics or religious views, but that is of no import.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Zfan
5 hours ago

It’s not that Young has no ability at all. He’s not the Spice Girls. Although I can’t stand his singing voice (personal taste), he has written some half decent songs at some points in his career, as you note. But even with that being true, he is in the good graces and has been promoted above and beyond his ability, for a very long time. In no small part because he expresses all the right baizuo politics.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
5 hours ago

Even back in high school, when I was as liberal as I was raised to be, I found Young’s singing voice highly unpleasant and his songs pretentious.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
4 hours ago

Laurel Canyon Boy:
“The Canadian” – that was
His role in that show.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Zfan
5 hours ago

Lynyrd Skynyrd had the right reply to Neil Young.

Zfan
Zfan
Reply to  Tom K
4 hours ago

True that. I somehow deleted “Southern Man” from remembered Neil Young songs. Now I have to go on my phone and give 3g4me another up vote.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tom K
3 hours ago

And even Young appreciate that “reply.” In fact, he was known to cover “Southern Man” in some of his concerts.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Tom K
38 minutes ago

I can’t think of Neil Young without immediately recalling Skynyrd’s hate-piece hit-piece on him. When he dies I hope they have “Southern Man” playing on eternal loop in Hell.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Zfan
3 hours ago

Don’t care for Young, but Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young were very good. I loathe all of them, but can’t deny their combined talent.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 hours ago

Talented or not, I strongly dislike the entire aura of CSN&Y, including just Y.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 hours ago

Stills carried that band. Great musician. Rest of them were lucky to be there. Especially Crosby. Lot of popular musical acts like that, where one or two members carried it and the others were lucky to have the job. Not that they had no musical ability whatsoever, but they lacked the chops to be successful if they hadn’t latched onto the right people.

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ray
ray
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
2 hours ago

Crosby and Nash are just singers/songwriters. Stills is a musician and a great one. Played all the instruments on their first album, before Young joined up.

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  ray
7 minutes ago

Similar deal with their contemporaries Jefferson Airplane. Grace, Paul and Marty were singer-songwriters and Jorma and Jack – still performing together as Hot Tuna – were the real musicians in the band.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  mmack
4 hours ago

Frankie Valli is another example, though he was a great singer at one time. But some time in the 80s, Frankie lost his ability to sing his own songs. He just couldn’t hit those highs anymore. But he never stopped performing. It’s such a sad sight to see him in 2025 trying to perform.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 hours ago

Never stopped Wayne Newton

ray
ray
Reply to  mmack
4 hours ago

Old buddy Neil. Poor dood. He never did leave the Sixties, still lives on Sugar Mountain.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ray
3 hours ago

Unfortunately, the sixties never left us…

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 hours ago

Every generation venerates their time as youth, but nobody has ever taken it to the extent Boomers take it. We’ve lived in the shadow of an idealized 1960s for 40 years now.

ray
ray
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 hours ago

The music was great, the politics sucked.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  ray
13 minutes ago

The music wasn’t really that good either.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 hour ago

Darn tootin’. We were young in America during the Golden Age of mankind, during the peak of human existence. I’d cling to that like a baby koala.

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  ray
49 minutes ago

Incidentally, “sugar mountain” is the literal translation of Zuckerberg.

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  mmack
3 hours ago

Anybody seen Todd Rundgren since the millennium? He refuses to play any song that he’d known for, scoffs at the very notion from the stage, plays a bunch of dreck that amuses him (and he always had an eclectic style). My wife and I were practically groupies for him in the seventies but we got up and walked out early on from a show in Monterey when he announced that there was no point calling out song titles.

ray
ray
Reply to  The Right Doctor
1 hour ago

LeRoy boy is that you?

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
5 hours ago

Disagree to an extent. Lindsey and Peterson aren’t freelance carnies. They’re gatekeepers whose real audience is the usual suspects who promote their acts behind the scenes. Lindsey will be propped up for the same reason that the Daily Wire and Babylon Bee – and even Peterson – are propped up. He’s a gatekeeper, and the usual suspects need gatekeepers. All of them have one thing in common: They push individualism for whites and condemn whites even thinking of joining the identity politics games. Sure, they claim that they’re against identity politics for all groups and, heck, maybe some of them… Read more »

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 hours ago

People this psychologically disorganized have to be propped up because they can’t keep it in the road very long. What astonishes me is that these particular assets are seen to have enough value to prop up. Maybe they are worth it for now, but there is no way Peterson doesn’t end up either in an institution or OD’ing, and Lindsay simply becoming too deranged for even the rubes not to notice.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jack Dodson
4 hours ago

Yeah, both of them seem like they’re just barely holding it together.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 hours ago

The one realization that I wish normie conservatives could have is that how much harder Peterson, Shapiro, and Lindsey denounce white identity over the identity politics of all other races. All their energy goes to suppressing white identity. 

Why? The justification for focusing on white identity always goes back to the claim that whites are uniquely evil, as demonstrated by the holocaust and slavery.

It may be that a majority of whites have been convinced by the media that their ancestors were uniquely evil.

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Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 hours ago

Exactly. They claim to oppose identity politics on the whole but spend all of their time focusing on whites. Oh, and they never – never – chastise Jews for playing the identity politics game (by far) the hardest and most successfully.

They’re quite simply liars.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 hours ago

All of our moral foundations are based on that premise, that we are uniquely, irredemably evil. Monsters of the worst sort who will just spring out from the box. And suddenly, for no reason at all…

It’s not us who see jews under every bed.
It’s the jews who see nazis under every one of our beds and act accordingly, forcing us to respond to their lurid fantasies.

The duskys and mutants hear that twisted tune, and they pick it up like an infernal jingle.

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Hun
Hun
6 hours ago

People who use say “woke right” unironically are the same who scream that “Democrats are the real racists”. It should be embarrassing, but carnies have no shame.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Hun
5 hours ago

Their problem is their audience isn’t buying it, but their promoters are demanding they keep saying it.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 hour ago

It’s been funny to see it pop up in the wild, to the total bafflement of audiences. Months now of failed attempts to force “woke right” into “the discourse” (you know they say “the discourse”). Anywhere that’s not fully controlled, where there are real people encountering the phrase, only those of us who know exactly what the scam is are getting what it’s supposed to signify. “What, you mean Jews?” Whoever came up with it and keeps insisting on it is incredibly stupid. And of course anyone who pushes it is fake and something worse than gay. Some disappointments among… Read more »

My Comment
My Comment
6 hours ago

Peterson’s appeal always struck me as depressing because he was so clearly a case of controlled opposition with a few good bits for legitimacy. Clean your room and I won’t use your pronouns. Neither of which were threats to the powers that be. What I found most depressing was how young and early middle aged men I met got so much of of his act. I could only see that as a sign of how rudderless young men are in today’s culture and how much men in their family have failed them. Well maybe that is too harsh because the… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  My Comment
5 hours ago

Peterson, Lindsey, the Babylon Bee guys, they’re all just another version of the Daily Wire, where, naturally, Peterson now works. Their job is to stop whites from thinking of themselves as a distinct people worth of preserving. They preach individuals and chastise identity politics – but for whites only.

Sure, they claim that they’re against identity politics for all races, but their audience is whites – and they know it. They also never attack the most successful identity group of all. Gatekeepers through and through.

Zfan
Zfan
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 hours ago

Matt Walsh seems to be going off Daily Wire reservation. He can come off as a male, Catholic version of “Church Lady”, but he pisses off the right people.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Zfan
5 hours ago

Walsh seems to have noticed some things. He probably tried to ignore them, but once you see it, it’s hard to suppress.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 hours ago

If he’s authentically a serious Catholic and comes to understand some key pieces of information, he won’t be able to stay at the Daily Wire. It will be Candace Owens all over again. The Daily Wire is a place for CINOs only. I believe (but don’t quote me) the other Catholic is a Jew by birth and raised that way. We love those converts, but I find most of them with a speaking platform struggle with their faith, either on the JQ or in really accepting most of what it’s teaching.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 hours ago

Naaah, he just noticed the wind had changed and adjusted accordingly. No way did he not know these things five minutes ago.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jack Dodson
4 hours ago

Probably right.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 hours ago

If I still held all the positions now that I held when I was a couple years younger than Matt Walsh, I’d be seriously embarrassed. People do make the journey rightward.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Vizzini
1 hour ago

It is possible, sure, but if it happened that came about almost overnight, so count me as dubious. It is more likely if this is sincere that he held the beliefs all along and realized it was safe now to voice them. Regardless, Walsh is saying the right things and has a large audience, so it is a good development whatever the motive.

ray
ray
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 hours ago

Matt Walsh got put in his place by Dalrock many years ago.

Supposed to be a Christian but I wouldn’t have him on my side.

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3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  ray
3 hours ago

Don’t know the details there, but my husband had me watch Walsh dissect this phenomenally obnoxious female who does videos and gives advice on how to browbeat and disrespect your husband. He’s good on insufferable women.

ray
ray
Reply to  3g4me
1 hour ago

Maybe I got Walsh confused with another. Been a lotta years.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 hours ago

I assume that Matt Walsh is done at the Daily Wire when his current contract ends. He can do what Tucker is doing and doesn’t need them anymore, they clearly aren’t willing to cross him after how many other hosts they have run off. His arc has been impressive, he went from ignorantly defending Ahmed Arbery to making videos this week about why are there Somalis in Minnesota that would have worked as an AmRen speech.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Barnard
5 hours ago

Walsh has done some solid podcasts. I was surprised and impressed by just how openly and confidently he spoke.

Latter Day American
Latter Day American
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 hours ago

Comedy, no matter what stripe, becomes enforcing their preferred moralizing:
Talladega Nights ends up becoming a vehicle to embrace homosexuality in the Deep South
Ryan Reynolds’ Deadpool and Free Guy can’t stop injecting things about empowered women and toxic masculinity and pretending he’s takin’ on the Mouse, man!
Babylon Bee and Gutfeld! will never dare step out of the bounds of the MLK dream to enjoy a little gutbusting Porter or 4chan-tier humor

Sometimes shit’s just funny even when it’s punching down and has no aesop to teach

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 hours ago

If they did either of those- chastize nonwhites for identity politics or scoff at the Sacredest Victims- they’d be Bad People.

“It was not only illegal, but worse than that, it was immoral.”

ray
ray
Reply to  My Comment
4 hours ago

‘I could only see that as a sign of how rudderless young men are in today’s culture and how much men in their family have failed them.’ Young men in our feminist societies are thirsty for masculine guidance so the PTB offer up gatekeepers like Peterson. ‘Well maybe that is too harsh because the culture is so anti masculinity that fathers can’t relate to it and don’t know how to guide their kids.’ They have little to no power of guidance. Contradict mom and you contradict the judicial system, culture and government. Dad is impotent and that’s just how America… Read more »

Lettie
Lettie
Reply to  My Comment
3 hours ago

Extremely boring – whiny voice. Takes forever to get to the point. Never got much further than that with JP, but I take this group’s opinion of his schtick as correct. Actually, same opinion of Ben Shapiro.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  My Comment
1 hour ago

The Petersen who wrote his first book, Maps of Meaning, was an interesting guy, on track to become the lesser current_year version of a great philosophy/psychology teacher-summarizer like Strauss or Walter Kaufmann. The tedious internet dad he became when he “took the ticket” is something else—and now he’s something else again, reassigned, the Hammer of Antisemites. All these “gatekeeper” characters have offputting voices, or some other strikingly repulsive physical quality, a first-impression dealbreaker that should put you off. Walsh’s horror-prop beard comes to mind. Serious scams begin with a test—a typo-ridden Nigerian email, an Indian voice—to check if you’re a… Read more »

Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
Member
6 hours ago

The thing that makes carnies is the complete lack of self respect. Who else would make a fool of themselves on a stage for the amusement of their fellow citizens? Jordan Peterson is a classic example of these carnies. His whole depraved life has been played out in front of the camera, with even his drug addiction on display for all to see. He’s a very ill man, yet these “conservatives” worship him because he made a few rightish statements? Reminds me of that quote from Star Wars: “Who’s the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
5 hours ago

His whole depraved life has been played out in front of the camera, with even his drug addiction on display for all to see.”

Makes me think of facebook. People who put all their bullshit on display for likes and perhaps some money. Is facebook the modern carnival?

Ancient Mason
Ancient Mason
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
1 hour ago

Whatever one thinks of Jordan Peterson now, he took a stand and put his career at risk without knowing what the outcome would be. He deserves a little respect just for that.

RealityRules
RealityRules
5 hours ago

Peterson and Lindsay are rear guard actions of the fading age where the right was completely destroyed but leftists to the bone came in and told everyone they were right wing. That bit between those two mentality ill half wits was them complaining that not only has the ground shifted from beneath them, but that they are the subject of ridicule. Young white men are besieged and watching aliens walk away with their inheritance, with the assistance of Peterson and his ilk. Peterson, whether he knows it or not, is there to buy the hyper-looters more time to do a… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  RealityRules
4 hours ago

‘Age of The Vengeful Son’

Yes. I can feel the power building and so can the Regime. That is why Jordan Peterson and others exist and get play.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  ray
3 hours ago

Then there is this dullard in Con Inc: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/is-woke-right-a-useful-term/ Either he is dull or just a much more clever and arrogant smarm-master than Peterson and the IDW Carnies. Assuming he is dull, then he doesn’t understand that colorblind civic nationalism has failed. White people are no longer going to show up to an alley fight blindfolded and singing kumbaya. The excesses of the Woke left are not excesses. The senseless murders of our people day after day after day are not senseless excesses. Nor are they an organized political movement. They are the consequence of forced integration and emergent savage… Read more »

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
6 hours ago

I never understood the appeal of this Peterson fellow. The “mock profundity” with which he delivers stale cliches must have been part of the draw. His target audience is presumably the middle-brow aspiring to “the upper middle-brow” level. An original thinker is never going to have the appeal of a carny.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
5 hours ago

The problem for Peterson is that he came on at a time when normies were desperate for any public figure in the media who didn’t condemn them. Peterson pushing back against the pronoun nonsense made him a hero to normies. The same is true for the Daily Wire and the Babylon Bee. They attacked the Left, including the pushing back against DEI and systemic racism. Normie whites were overjoyed that someone – anyone – wasn’t attacking them. The problem is that Peterson, Lindsey, Shapiro, Dillion, etc., is that normies have more choices now and have started to move toward our… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 hours ago

Yes. They are moving because they can’t move or live apart from the consequences, of savagery floating in the clouds, of “anti-racism”, or nationalism and identity for thee but not for me. They get paid to tell everyone to just call down and accept defeat.

We literally get killed and lose our wealth and we can’t run anymore. So, we are moving to someone anyone who is going to be our guys and speak openly and unashamedly against an evil system that tells us to shut up and take it.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  thezman
5 hours ago

“Peterson also flattered an underserved audience by being an “intellectual” that supposedly too Scripture seriously.” If there was one thing that Jordan did not take seriously, it was/is Scripture. I’ll grant an initial personal handicap on the topic by being raised Catholic. However, at this point in my life I’ve read Scripture enough to know that Jordan was just full of boring modern secular deconstructive analysis on the topic. It drove me crazy to have Christians trot out his OT analysis like what an open theist/agnostic would have anything valuable to say to a believer. At least a Protestant pastor… Read more »

honky tonk hero
honky tonk hero
Reply to  thezman
4 hours ago

I remember when some on the right recommended his Old Testament lectures. After watching a couple of them, I thought to myself, what is this nonsense? It was the most incoherent, pseudo-intellectual psychobabble interpretation of Scripture I had heard.

ray
ray
Reply to  honky tonk hero
1 hour ago

He has no spiritual or Scriptural understanding of which I’m aware.

It is dangerous to take the name of ‘teacher’ of Scripture before the LORD. He takes his servants very seriously and it is unwise to pretend to be one.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  thezman
2 hours ago

Its funny how writing incomprehensibly and confusing the audience goes from an error caused by lack of experience, to a difficult skill that takes a lot of skill and forethought.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  thezman
52 minutes ago

Foucault did almost say that. He was annoyed that his early work sold far better than he thought it should. He started out writing for an audience he estimated at 300 people, specialists of an extremely insular language. No one else could possibly understand what he was getting at. The book translated as The Order of Things is so obscure and reliant on prior reading, to a normal person there are effectively no statements in it. It was a bestseller. About 300 people have read it. He gradually lowered his rhetoric to the level of a really smart normal guy… Read more »

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  thezman
39 minutes ago

That same bougie mistaking gibberish for profundity elevated Barry Soetoro to the presidency.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Arshad Ali
5 hours ago

I remember Z once said about Barack Obama that you listened to his speech and felt something, then read it on the page and it was total nonsense. I think the same thing is true of Peterson. When he was just getting famous I didn’t watch a lot of his stuff and read it and it seemed like gibberish. Then once he said he drank a glass of cider and couldn’t sleep for a month, I was out. Say what you will about him, Vox Day figured JP out before most people, and he did it by… reading his book.… Read more »

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Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Mycale
5 hours ago

Yes, I remember that Vox Day called out JBP’s act immediately, before anyone else caught on.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Wolf Barney
5 hours ago

Teddy Spaghetti calls out anyone who doesn’t fellate him on his Italian throne. He was a proto-Nick Fuentes. But a stopped clock is right twice a day, as they say.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Marko
5 hours ago

Vox has some good points, but my god does he worhsip himself. It’s almost unbearable. Can’t stand all his articles and talk about alphas and gammas and betas

ray
ray
Reply to  Mr. House
4 hours ago

The Dark Lord Emperor or whatever Ted calls himself. Like we’re all living in a science fiction novel.

The gammas, the betas, the fanbois, the Mensa references. . . .

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  ray
3 hours ago

Ha, he calls himself that? I thought it was one of the comics he shills for. Not surprised in the least.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  ray
3 hours ago

He’s reached the point where he’s claiming to understand women

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Mr. House
3 hours ago

He reminds me of that episode of Family Guy where Stewie keeps blocking Brian the dog and calling him a B-minus

My Comment
My Comment
Reply to  Mr. House
3 hours ago

Bragging about yourself endlessly, as does Vox, doesn’t strike me as very Christian or the sign of a well adjusted person.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Marko
1 hour ago

The best debate I saw level 99 karate master Teddy Spaghetti do was with JF Gariepy on evolution where Vox’s whole anti-evolution argument revolved on refusing to acknowledge that sexual reproduction works faster to adapt a species than mitosis.

TomA
TomA
6 hours ago

We live in an era of information overload in which our brains are unable to process and utilize the fire hose of data flying at us incessantly. Too much media from too many devices and platforms. As such, there is no time to reflect, digest, and incorporate useful knowledge for real world application. The result is miasma fatigue. Better is to limit inputs to a few trusted sources taken in small doses. Then independently connect dots and formulate paths of use. No one should speak publicly without a defined purpose and useful benefit.

Mycale
Mycale
6 hours ago

“Soon, people get bored of the “woke right’ nonsense.” I don’t remember anyone ever taking it seriously. In any case, JP is in trouble. He might be a fading star, but he brought it on himself. He backed the wrong horse. He took Ben Shapiro’s money when Daily Wire was peaking, but it’s a joke now. Everyone sees it for the blatant hasbara operation it is. And part of being that operation means he has to bring on gatekeeping losers like James Lindsay, instead of someone who people actually want to hear (all of whom are making fun of James… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Mycale
5 hours ago

PJ Media is another one. I don’t understand who reads them and how they still exist.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  TempoNick
3 hours ago

Richard Fernandez, the only Filipino Tondo gangster who went to Harvard, was my daily read before the Zman. Wretchard’s audience at the Belmont Club were spouting the exact same Cold War mummy canards years later when I checked back.

The same is true of my mentor, a Vietnam war vet and early Boomer, as well as my older brother, also a Nam vet. They seem stuck in amber, unable or uninterested in anything new.

Calcified pineal glands from the fluoride, maybe? One thing I ruefully realized just this week: you really can’t teach some old dogs new tricks.

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Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  TempoNick
3 hours ago

I don’t understand who reads them

Jews

and how they still exist.

Also Jews; and no I’m not being flippant, PJ Media is for Jews who aren’t smart enough for Frontpage.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
5 hours ago

Lindsay is clearly a smart guy who has gone nuts. I said so to Charles Haywood in an X exchange we had. Haywood said that Lindsay had to be crushed mercilessly, crazy or not. Maybe I’m too soft and Haywood is right. Peterson has huge personal issues and cannot be taken seriously. Both give off the Amy Winehouse/Scott Weiland tragic vibes of fame seekers who cannot handle it and are going down. TomA (frequent commenter) is probably right that the DR will succeed through silent, deadly types who will sneak up on the system. The fame seekers are usually nuts,… Read more »

Zfan
Zfan
Reply to  thezman
4 hours ago

I am soft-hearted. I hope that enough factory jobs come back to America so the excess internet entrepreneurs, political grifters, excess university staff and government employees can find useful, dignified roles at living wages. A dosage of actual work and dealing with reality on average or lower wages –with no external markers showing one’s education or high status– does wonders for clearing one’s thoughts.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  thezman
4 hours ago

You were the first I saw point it out. Lindsay is just a crazy/crazier and less telegenic Richard Spencer, a narcissist who has found a way to feed his need for attention.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Captain Willard
4 hours ago

I think Lindsay has blown a mental fuse or three from the simple fact he’s done detailed, voluminous readings of commie agitprop and tried to explain all of that tripe to near-normie audiences in simple, easy-to-understand terms.

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 hours ago

He was associated with a horrific sex trafficking cult and as a result sees a group of two or more people as “collectivism” because of that experience. He was also a member of the cringe “New Atheist” movement, which makes his criticism of Communism rather amusing, listening to a materialist talk about “equality” and other such non-material concepts.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
31 minutes ago

I wish people could be poisoned by books, but I’ve never seen an example of it (except schizophrenics getting “messages” from them).

The lesson of people like Lindsay is simple and terrible: There are no converts. We are who we are—as of a certain past date. “Of course I was a liberal in college.” “Like many of us, I came up through movement conservatism.” “I was a teenage libertarian.” You still are, and you cannot change or be changed—not truly, not in your allegiance, not in your soul. It’s a ghost. Past.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
5 hours ago

Auron McIntyre played some bits from that and it was just bizarre, with Lindsey leaning towards going full Louis Farrakhan Numerology to justify his insanity and Peterson complaining about how this new-fangled Internet thing works.

DLS
DLS
5 hours ago

The Babylon Bee mocked the Peterson act awhile back, with “Jordan Peterson Explains The Deep Meaning Behind 9 Famous Song Lyrics.” You can hear his inflection as you read them, i.e. “Who Let the Dogs Out” by Baha Men: “‘Who let the dogs out?’ Well, that’s the real question, isn’t it? There’s a sense in which we’ve all let the dogs out…”

https://babylonbee.com/news/jordan-peterson-explains-the-deep-meaning-behind-12-famous-song-lyrics

Marko
Marko
Reply to  DLS
5 hours ago

“And what do dogs do in the morning? They wake up. Woke.”

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Marko
3 hours ago

It was funny because when he asked what’s “the first thing you do in the morning” that my first thought was “go clog the toilet”.

Zfan
Zfan
Reply to  DLS
5 hours ago

Followed the link–That’s deep, man.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  DLS
5 hours ago

Kind of ironic, given that the Bee and Peterson are on the same team.

Stephanie
Stephanie
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 hours ago

They did it for the lulz?

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Stephanie
28 minutes ago

Like Fuentes, they can’t do their job by being always wrong about everything.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
4 hours ago

Well, that was a three-LOL article.

“Spends too much time with model trains.” Ha!

Stephanie
Stephanie
5 hours ago

Jordan Peterson seemed like a guy who was trying to psyop others and ended up psyop’ing himself into a Lovecraftian nightmare. Then he had to go get de-programmed in Russia? All so strange.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Stephanie
5 hours ago

And the worst part of it all, he’s from Canada. He wouldn’t exist without woke, and woke appears to be dying for the time being. If it goes, so does he.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
4 hours ago

I tried watching that interview with James Lindsey and it was incoherent. You get more sense from Lindsey Graham.

Arthur Metcalf
Member
4 hours ago

Lindsay was involved with NXIVM, the sex slavery cult run by Keith Ranciere. He is a very bad actor. https://x.com/mattyglesias/status/1596251010795966464

Vegetius
Vegetius
3 hours ago

The other thing, these guys never know how to go out on a high note.

I happen to know the guy who provoked Peterson into using the term “troll demons”. When it became apparent that he would be living rent-free in Peterson’s head, he quit posting.

ray
ray
4 hours ago

Peterson is an academic who entered through the manosphere, singing a watered-down version of that song but failing to credit the writers.

He is harmless enough that the PTB tolerate him as a (gatekeeping) foil to their longstanding tool, feminism. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

Despite weaksaucing the real deal, Peterson helps broaden the audience for my own advocacies and so likewise I tolerate him. He somewhat reduces the tendency of the gyno-government to scapegoat ‘incels’.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ray
2 hours ago

True, and true, all true; that is a very good catch. I especially like “as a foil to their longstanding tool, feminism.” This is a very insightful catch indeed, all around.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
5 hours ago

A blatantly mentally ill clinical psychologist appearing in public to unironically interview an obviously mentally ill crank and grifter is Peak Carney. While his act garners immensely more coin tossed in the hat, Peterson is little more than the schizophrenic street musician strumming tunes on the sidewalk. Lindsay is satisfied with just a bigger and fuller hat. It is astonishing to think circus freak shows were considered somehow more vulgar. They were high culture by comparison, and cable gabfests are the Royal Shakespeare Theatre compared to internet influencers, who make OnlyFans cam whores blush. I don’t know where along the… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dodson
2 hours ago

Hat tip for Peak Carney. A smack of the glove across the ersatz Canadian PM.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Alzaebo
59 minutes ago

Hahahaha…not my intent but I’ll take credit!

Lewis
Lewis
5 hours ago

Peterson gives utterly trivial bits of advice about living a “meaningful life” and they’re regarded as pearls of wisdom. His book, 12 Rules for Life, is the case in point.

Stand up straight with your shoulders back.
Tell the truth – or at least don’t lie.
Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street.

Yes, I know a “philosophical” spin is furnished for each rule – otherwise the whole thing might be smothered with ridicule.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Lewis
5 hours ago

Never pet a cat you don’t know personally. That’s funny petting a stray cat. Cats are sneaky critters. I remember going into someone’s house and they told me not to pet their cat that came up rubbing all over my legs. Apparently their cat used that ruse to lure the sucker into petting (her)? and then pounced. Ferrets are worse however.

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ray
ray
Reply to  Tom K
3 hours ago

True, I’ve never had much luck petting ferrets. Hm.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  ray
3 hours ago

Well, I had an unfortunate encounter with a ferret once so it comes from personal experience. The owner had to sic the ferret off me or it would have drug me into the next county.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tom K
2 hours ago

In the 80s, the WSJ noted a peculiar fad of the British upper class:
“ferret legging”.

The tony toffs of Fleet Street would tie off the bottom cuffs of their pants and then slip a ferret into their trousers.

Seeing as how the ferret is carnivorous, this posed an element of especial danger to the lads…it quite makes one shrivel up a bit, dinnit?

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
3 hours ago

it feels like there’s a three way battle between:

pro-zionist anti-woke centrist – Lindsay, Peterson, Weiss, Murray
pro-zionist anti-woke far right – natcons, theblaze, newfounding
zionist skeptical anti-woke right – carlson dave smith ian carroll candace owens

it’s not a perfect comparison as someone like haywood is agnostic on the israel question but probably has more in common with group 2

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
4 hours ago

Mel Gibson should make a version of “A Star Is Born” with Peterson and Lindsey.

Tom K
Tom K
4 hours ago

The carny analogy is always a good model to keep in mind when talking to normies about their favorite “deep thinkers”.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
4 hours ago

It’s an interestIng article in that it’s cultural /political commentary about cultural/political commentary. Can you stand outside cultural/political commentary as a cultural/political commentator?

maybe at a dinner party

Mr. House
Mr. House
14 minutes ago

hoisted from Zerohedge @Ray was this you 😉 A lot of truth to this comment “The problem is human nature. The United States government is the biggest business in the world. It runs on other peoples and borrowed money and doesn’t give a **** about any of its customers.  The government gives IOU’s to the Federal Reserve which is a private corporation and not subject to being audited or disclosing anything.  They mostly just punch numbers into a screen that credits .gov with money and they also print a nominal amount. All of this money is literally created out of… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
4 hours ago

Ya know, this might be the only way to watch political shows and make them bearable.

With the sound off. Just watch the body language!

Greg Nikolic
6 hours ago

Fame is fleeting. A good example of this is Elvis. In his time, he was gigantic, but his tunes no longer get airplay on the radio and his recorded voice has not aged well compared to, say, the Beatles. And yet Elvis the personality is remembered. His smile, his swiveling hips, his soft Southern accent. He and Marilyn Monroe have come to define the whole postwar era up until 1970. In the movie Blade Runner 2049 there is even a holographic Elvis. Presidents come and go — Lyndon Johnson is forgotten — but Elvis the personality is forever. — Greg… Read more »

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Greg Nikolic
6 hours ago

I’m not so sure Elvis is forever. The Beatles have endless pop culture references too. He might outlast Presidents, but it’s distinctly possible in 100 years, the question will be “Elvis who?”

Greg Nikolic
Reply to  Wiffle
5 hours ago

I see your point, but the 1950s and 1960s were a watershed in Western history. Every defining event needs a face to memorialize it. The Civil War has Lincoln’s hat and face while his opponent David is utterly forgotten. Sometimes you can transcend Fame and be remembered, a neat trick if you can pull it off.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Wiffle
5 hours ago

Wow, Wiffle….the AI has responded to you. It has chosen you as its human agent in the comments section. A great honor! Could you ask it, “Why does VGER need a connection to its creator?”