With the new Pope being installed, this week seemed like a perfect time to explain why Protestants are the cause of all our troubles. It is the Protestant revolt that led to the re-emergence of paganism in the West. That is paganism in the sense of multiple sources of authority, not the Zeus and Athena business. Aside from some posers in the current age, the old gods have not made a return.
The Christian revolution is a remarkable thing in the history of man as to that point there were a lot of gods and a lot of ways to relate to those gods. Two groups of people could share the same god, but have different ways of serving that god. Within a society, people could have a variety of household gods which informed how they lived and how they related to their fellow citizens.
Christianity revolutionized this with one God for everyone and having that God as the source of everything, including man. Once you have just one God and one metaphysics arising from that God, then it rationally follows that there is one correct set of rules governing how man should live. This is the road to a universal morality that applies even to those who are not believers.
When the universal authority of the Church was challenged, the universal morality began to fail. After all, if the Church was wrong about the structure of faith, it could also be wrong about the nature of God. Calvin’s understanding God was different than the Catholic conception of God. Once the conception of God changes, the morality and metaphysics begin to diverge as well.
The crisis in the West stems in large part from this divergence. The managerial class has its gods, things like Gaia and Diversity, that it is trying to impose on the population, but the population has its own gods. The Bible-believing Christian who thinks he talks to Jesus every day, not only has little in common with the homosexual Episcopalian, but he has no choice but to reject the gods of his rulers.
That is the show this week. It is a topic that probably deserves a ten hour commitment, but maybe that is something for the end of the year. The focus for now is how the Protestant revolts in the 16th century set off this process by which we now find ourselves in a new pagan age. Zeus and Odin have yet to make their appearance, but maybe they just have different names and guises this time.
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There is plenty of blame to go around. The Church usurped the warrior caste when it moved against the Knights Templar and destroyed those orders. Some posit that that remnant may have gone into the new secret societies and the Masons … … and enacted their revenge during the French Revolution. If not explicitly at least in a spiritual, karmic retribution. In any case, generalizations are difficult. Some of the most organized, high agency and best prepared Americans ready for post-America are low church protestants. Some are Catholics. I think the key is not denominational but caste. What is beyond… Read more »
Amen Brother like we don’t have enough things dividing us at the moment let’s throw some fuel on the fire and crap on us unifying even more…Makes you wonder 🤔
The Templars CREATED international banking and the checking systems. The world is financially enslaved by their progeny still today.
The Templars rightly were hounded out of most of Europe, but the satanic scum re-grouped in Portugal and elsewhere. Should have been exterminated when the opportunity presented. Now they are Blackrock.
Okay. So, Larry Fink’s ancient ancestors were Germanic and Gallic Knights Templars? And what about the popes of Avignon with their multiple football field sized beds?
As I said there is plenty of blame to go around. These arguments over barely understood accounts and interpretations are silly.
What we do know is that being led by the merchant caste is dissolving us.
Btw, Souter died. This is a big moment for Trump. He can find a 35 year old Heritage American who is ready.
Sorry Reality, but Souter was already replaced by a wise Latina woman (Sotomayer).
No new Supreme Court pick for Cheeto Hitler, yet.
Not Souter. . .
Ray,
Proof?
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FTFY.
The Templars had absolutely nothing to do with the Freemasons, and the caste-usurpation going on was multdimensional. The warrior Templars had broken into banking, the province of the merchants, and while running it both more effectively and morally, run afoul of the king who owed then great sums. The king then, through his own usurpation of the priest caste via the Avignon papacy, who owed HIM money, used the church to destroy the Templars. There is also evidence that Freemasonry, while deeply heretical and subversive in its own way, was infiltrated and weaponized by yet more subversive heretics in the… Read more »
Right on. Sounds like you are far better versed in the nuances of Phillip and this important moment in Our civilization than me. References to that letter to Washington please. Also good reading materials on this topic are appreciated.
Thanks SM.
what kind of society are you going to have without merchants? subsistence level existence. pilgrims had no merchants, when they started at plymouth; how did that work out?
Who said there would be no merchants? Don’t be so dramatic. You sound like a post 1950s American University student. Hitler or Not Hitler! Merchants or No Merchants! Total Freedom or Tyranny!
Think with some nuance for God’s sake. You must have a healthy merchant caste. But, they cannot be in charge. That is the issue. If they are at the head of the table, there is no head at the table.
They deserve and hold an important place, but they cannot be the caste that is the arbiter of civilizational matters.
how is the protestant “break” from catholic church any different in effect, from the orthodox church not following Rome from day#1? And why is the catholic church somehow sanctified as the official version of christianity? a lot of assumptions going on here…
Right there is the heart of the matter. It turns up all over, not just in the context of religion. People from Massachusetts move to New Hampshire and immediately start telling the locals how to be a Granite Stater. The normie gets mugged and within hours he is lecturing me about what it means to be a dissident. This assumption that you can not only question authority, but you can declare yourself the authority starts in the protestant revolts. After all, who in the Hell was John Calvin to think he knew more than a thousand years of Catholic tradition… Read more »
true contrition loves punishment was my favorite thesis
sounds like new age hippy stuff
This is one of your best posts (and comments), but it’s going to piss off a lot of people. I assume you expected it. 🙂
Or why if I were a believer, I’d have to be a Catholic (even if the Pope is not).
A more basic hypothesis: Religious reform always leads to falling apart.
I once tried to read Martin Luther. Ah, here is proto-Marx, the guy is a communist.
He wrote so diligently of his bowel movements and rated the stench of his farts. Truly, a man of God. Today he would’ve tipped his fedora at the door of a church and proceeded on his way to teaching gender transition studies at the local high school.
Or John Calvin here in Geneva – the first of the Nazis who turned a great city into a prison.
“He wrote so diligently of his bowel movements…”
Let’s think of that as Luther’s most important contribution to our understanding of 1 Corinthians 10:31.
Strange that he explicitly condemned anabaptists and Jan of Munster’s personal communist dystopia. The very-Lutheran Prussians were hardly communists.
Should we not have questioned Fauci and company, then? Who are we to question years of medical science since they are the authority?
But it was Fauci and co. undercutting centuries of established science on such subjects as natural immunity that makes him more akin to the Protestant reformers than the established Catholic clergy.
Well, there’s a bit of a problem. The line between authority and heresy is often blurry. Who possesses authority and who is the rebel? In what consists authority? Z’s thesis leads into a bewildering wilderness, I’m afraid.
I’m not taking a stand one way or the other on the relative merits of the Reformation, only saying that the abandonment of longstanding scientific beliefs made Fauci the “heretic” and not part of the establishment that shouldn’t be questioned.
I’m hardly taking Fauci’s side, but my guess is he would say that his policies stemmed from another side of the scientific tradition in opposition to the “natural immunity” side. In other words, it is not difficult to find an authority to justify one’s acts and therefore claim orthodoxy. What’s more, he would doubtless cite his exalted title in support of the position that not only was he part of medical orthodoxy but that, in AINO, he was the supreme medical authority.
Bingo. Only through the lens of five centuries of ridiculous Anglosphere “Church bad, ban Bible!” black legend can “Trust the Science!” be read as legitimate establishmentarianism run amok rather than Sola Fide-Sola Scriptura applied to epidemiology, with the same clumsy manipulation of source material.
What do you mean “Anglosphere ‘Church bad, ban Bible’?” Wycliffe was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. Aside from rejection of papal authority, common Biblical literacy was one of the foundations of the English Reformation, although the same schools who teach that MLK was a saint, Hitler was evil incarnate, and that the war against the Indians was unjust and one-sided also say the English reformation was because Henry VIII was horny.
You’ve got a few things conflated here. Wycliffe wasn’t executed, he died of a stroke (while saying mass, no less); decades later he was judged a heretic and his works and remains destroyed, as part of a much broader condemnation of doctrines he and other Lollards adhered to. Tyndale was indeed strangled and burned on the continent (having fled England after running afoul of the Protestant Henry) more than a century later, but again not merely for the act of translating into the vernacular, but the quality of the work and bias that accompanied a great many other major points… Read more »
The myth the Church punished folks for trying to read any scripture is on marshy ground. What were the literacy rates at that time? Hell, practically no one was literate, often including lower royalty, i.e. vasels, etc.
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Good analogy. It seems to this “Catholic” that there was a valid point in Martin Luther’s rebellion and the reformation he began. I wonder how we, this group, can not all admit that there is more than a bit of Martin Luther’s spirit in all of us—and it has little to do with Christian orthodoxy.
How many Church Fathers have you read? Augustine? Aquinas? What’s your literacy level in regard to your “Catholic” faith compared to your admiration of Luther’s “rebellion” (had one of those a bit earlier; you know, fallen angels and all that.
Who needs the Church Fathers? Who gave them this elevated title?
I appeal to the skepticism we as a comment group usually apply to most statements of authority from the powers that be. Catholicism is not excluded in that reference.
If such hurts your sensibility regarding faith, then I’d say your faith was not so strong as you imagine. Deal with it.
You mean the Church Fathers who said things like They said that he who adhered to faith alone was cursed; but he, Paul shows that he who adhered to faith alone is blessed -St. John Chrysostom (Homily on Galatians 3) Upon this rock. He did not say upon Peter for it is not upon the man, but upon his own faith that the Church is built. And what is this faith? ‘You are the Christ, the son of the living God.’ -St. John Chrysostom (In Pentecosten) Certainly the other Apostles also were what Peter was, endued with an equal fellowship… Read more »
Good old St. John Chrysostum. On Good Friday I like to reread his Against the Jews. And then on Reformation Sunday weekend, Luther’s On the Jews and Their Lies. To your larger point, it’s surprising how little most of the RC folk know about their own religion. But that’s sort of the point of it.
congradulations ! I’ve always heard there is no such thing as a stupid question , but you have proven them wrong!
Quoted for truth.
…who in the Hell was John Calvin to think he knew more…
He was a dissident. We are all dissidents here—simply expounding upon/against different concepts of social organization than Calvin. No different. Our ideas are either true, or false. Time will tell.
It’s too early in the day for this much unfiltered disingenuousness.
Please elaborate as I am unable to understand the meaning of your brief comment. If I am in error some fashion, please correct me.
MKL was a dissident , malcomb X was a dissident, jane fonda was a dissident, lenin was a dissident, Pol Pot was a dissident ….
Just to piggy back on your comment (which apparently I was one of the few people who liked it) there’s a guy on the dissident social media sites who notes that “there’s always someone in charge” and that putting multiple people in charge was a detriment to the western church. For example, Protestants will bellyache about the Pope but then also complain about how some confab over the “8th Order of the Baptists of East Kansas” exhibits the same or worse issues. Just another case of killing tradition and getting nothing in return.
Yes. Rebellion for me but not for thee. Authority is always jealous. Always.
I’m a Catholic convert. As Cardinal Gibbons said, “to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” That wasen’t the deciding factor, though.
As a life long resident of the deep south, I just couldn’t digest the evangelical Christians and their veneratrion of the Jews. I scarce to belive they worship hebrews more than Jesus the Christ. A pox on Schofield.
I very much sympathize with your traditionalism, however slavishness to authority is problematic. Beginning in the late 60s, postmodern Leftism has been the moral authority in America. Are we obligated to meekly accept their mad and pernicious postulates? Whither goest dissidence?
No, you have this wrong. ‘A thousand years of Catholic tradition and theology’ was just more men adding their opinions and organizational structures onto the words of Christ and the acts of the prophets and apostles.
Like how some ‘Jews’ replaced the Torah with that mumbo-jumbo Talmud that rabbis cooked up in Babylon.
Protestantism is getting back to basics. The fact that the denominations became corrupted is just human nature operating in a fallen — and cursed — world.
Protestantism is many things from Unitarianism to Anglo-Papist Anglicans. There are so many variations among and within denominations that the only thing they have in common is that each man determines what is right in accordance with whatever version or compilation of Scripture he individually approves of. There is variance in which, if any, Church Fathers or Councils are accepted (only some Protestants even know the meanings of those terms) In other words, it is a world that accepts no authority or tradition except what passes muster with the current generation. Luther tossed out the authority of the current pope… Read more »
If all Protestantism is just Jim and his Bible under a tree, why did Luther condemn anabaptists? Why do Anglicans, Lutherans, and even Presbyterians have ecclesiastical structures (yes, Lutherans and Presbyterians, even if you don’t call them bishops they’re still bishops) and ecumenical synods? Also, don’t quote Church Fathers at Protestants when St. Basil, St. Chrosostom, and even St. Augustine all made it clear that “the rock” of the Church is the confession and that argument for Petrine succession is bunk. I guess you guys still have the Donation of Constantine to settle all doubt. Oh, wait.
Sorry I was unclear. As state elsewhere above there are at least 40,000 different species of Protestants and they continue to splinter/mutate/evolve into new bodies. There is a vast difference among Protestants– I was part of a Protestant church that had everything from the Tridentine Mass in English to the Prayer Book Communion Service in Latin to some stripped down communion service with guitars and whole wheat bread and boxed wine with a mostly dignified, beautiful and Scripture and tradition laden liturgy in between. The theology was even broader than the liturgical spectrum Catholic, Evangelical, Charismatic, Liberal, traditional and barely… Read more »
Protestantism is no more “getting back to basics” than the sort of Muh Constitution appeals that in turns ignore Fed, Anti-Fed, and other contemporary works and philosophy from the selfsame authors as a lens for interpretation, and treat as sacrosanct, immutable, original, and exclusive the particular shape of something which underwent a lengthy process of creation and modification before taking that shape. Both involve treating Step 3 as both Step 1 and Step 10, or walls as both foundation and capstone. Our Lord left us with a living hierarchy and intact Tradition, which He did not abolish any more than… Read more »
Oh lord not you again. Go away.
You’ll be dead before I am and I’ll have had more white children than you. Tick tock.
Right, because 50,000+ (and counting) different conceptions of “the basics” can’t be wrong LOL…
Is such fundamentally different from if/when the Pope pronounces a change in Church procedure/doctrine that was previously in effect for a millennia?
Yes, because that isn’t even remotely how that works. Doctrine, belief, becomes dogma at a glacial pace and is only added to, never altered, replaced or removed. Procedure and policy have always been much more adaptable and changed at a more rapid pace, as temporal existence necessitates, but that is not theology.
The talking point you’re using is a loaded one, and I doubt you’re familiar with the actual data behind it. The “survey” of Churches that number references found there to be hundreds of “Catholic” Churches. Why? Because it counts every denomination in every country as its own church and even divides further among Maronite, Byzantine, Armenian, Chaldean, etc. Rite Catholics. You’re tossing around pithy insults based on misinterpreted facts the same way neopagans say we’re all celebrating Ishtar on Easter.
“Like how some ‘Jews’ replaced the Torah with that mumbo-jumbo Talmud that rabbis cooked up in Babylon.”
Eerily similar to how a thousand SCOTUS interpretations/decisions has replaced/rewritten the Constitution. I guess we are remarking upon the same phenomenon.
Protestantism is thirty-six thousand denominations run by just as many self-proclaimed popes “guided by the Holy Spirt.’ I just call it theological anarchy.
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People from Massachusetts move to New Hampshire and immediately start telling the locals how to be a Granite Stater. Is not how the Protestants viewed their situation? My knowledge of this is limited but I was always under the impression this was the same exact logic at play justifying their divergence. Removing the specifics of this, just in general it’s seemingly impossible to get disparate groups of people to agree on anything long term without conflict ensuing. With that in mind it seems inevitable that divergence of faith would take place, its practically a natural law at this point that… Read more »
This is also why the USA has been pushing the anal revolution and feminism so hard internationally. As we can see in what happened in the US, feminism and anal require a society to break from traditional morality. Once that break occurs, the society becomes a blank slate that can be filled in with US approved values. Calvin’s break accomplished the same thing
Except Christianity in the US has never been based on Catholicism. Catholics were the outliers. Only one of the 56 signatories of the Declaration of Independence was Catholic. Only two of 39 the signatories of the Constitution were Catholic, one of whom also signed the Declaration. I find it grating that Nick Fuentes types insist that Americans must return to a tradition we never had and never wanted. It’s right up there with slapping “Judeo” in front of Christian and claiming that’s the intellectual tradition of the West. And before people say the lack of Catholicism was the reason America… Read more »
Intersesting that the French revolution targeted the Church as did the Communist in Spain circa 1936.
You are absolutely correct, America was founded by Anglo-Saxon protestant and agnostic Europeans.
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“how is the protestant ‘break’ from catholic church any different in effect, from the orthodox church not following Rome from day#1?” Answer: The break was in 1054. In recent times the several Orthodox national churches have differed not just from Rome, but from each other. So the answer to your question is: In the end, they aren’t different from the Protestants. Consider how the Orthodox in recent years, like Protestants, in the last century have come to accept contraception as not a sin.
One has to specifically define “contraception”, as in technique. The spectrum varies, hence a rational argument can be made for acceptance under Church doctrine.
He thinks it happened after they discovered the tomb was empty.
Orthodoxy is at least still considerably more theologically reliable than most of Protestantism, though somewhat less so with time. Also somewhat more historically reliable, though considerably less so with time.
Orthodox church not following Rome from day #1? What day was that? If it’s got four digits in it then you have a historical point to explain.
Jesus wouldn’t have recognised either Catholicism or Protestantism. He was born, lived and died a Jew and had no intention of starting a new religion. He was rather trying to purge Judaism of its hypocrisy and legalism and bring it back to its pure roots before the forthcoming end of the world.
look up the word fulfilled …. as in the law was fulfilled.
the catholic church is the Original church , set up by the apostles . they first chirch . the eastern church was basically a branch of the catholic church . They split off in 1054 ad. the only real diffrence is the ortodox do not recognize the primacy of rome and the pope. this is very very diffrent from the protestants. the catholic and orthodox have lifte the condemnations of each other . losing the christian faith is the main diffrence between the early 1960’s when i was a child and the present day . the catholic church is also… Read more »
“When the universal authority of the Church was challenged…” Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket. And now they’ve given us a new Peruvian pope who holds dual citizenship in the US. The business of the church is in shambles, in large part due to collapsing collection box revenues from US Catholics. The obsequious groveling to the State during Covid did a lot of damage. My favorite thing about the pope selection process was all the Catholics telling us the way to save the church and the West was to install… Read more »
You didn’t speak to many Catholics. Some of the generalizations on this thread are unreal…
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The Church of Rome is nothing more than a vestigial appendage of the Roman Empire and a, yet another, failed attempt at global governance.
Having gone over to the demographic POV, it makes sense to me. Orthodox (Eastern, Greek, Russian, etc.), ROMAN Catholic (Latin), Protestant (Germanic). East and two West.
Ancient fault lines, affinities, dynamics. The Church didn’t solve them.
And Calvin isn’t the only source of Protestant theology, of course. French name, isn’t it? Not sure if he was French or French-speaking Swiss. Anyway.
Yes and no. Protestantism-as-Germanic-folkspirit, while not an unpopular or entirely boneheaded take, is a pretty gross oversimplification in my view considering how divergent the main schools of thought within it are. Some manifestations do seem to be cultural, at least as far as Calvinist and Arminian derivstives (Presbyterianism, Puritanism, Anabaptism) flourishing amongst the very mercantile Swiss, Scots, Dutch and Anglos. And in England’s case, the geopolitical rift with Spain FOLLOWED religious schism as well as personal insult to royalty where previously they had been quite close. Lutheranism gained traction more as a consequence of political machinations of the day, capitalizing… Read more »
As far as Protestantism being Germanic, I look at where it originated and which nations adopted it. Seems plain to me.
Holy Roman Empire was German, fair enough some Germans would stay Catholic for its sake.
I mean, it’s the whole idea of universals and bringing people together in them. The Church faltered, people lost faith, became modern, attempted it along secular lines. That project has failed, too.Don’t get me wrong, I believe in universals, but to be honest, I’m not sure there are many of them— maybe not enough to bind the nations together permanently.Everybody wants to get big, it seems, but it also seems there are limits to how big they can get. Yet, if there’s some worldy force driving history, it looks to me like it’s that inexhaustible ambition. Tower of Babel. People… Read more »
Also yes and no. Despite insistence and predication on sole central legitimate authority, Rome is pretty big-tent in practice. There’s a slew of different acculturated rites and liturgical uses that are considered licit. The East was always given broad license, and those that remained still are, but the Orthodox wanted more. While schisms may present or begin as a matter of decentralizing administration, they become a matter of decentralizing belief, if that is not already lurking under the surface.
Religious tradition is part of culture, which is downstream of genomics. Even among (1) the tapestry of ethnicities who make up the European race, there is too much difference for any universal system to endure without constant external threat reinforcing cohesion. Different ethnonational peoples have different preferences for how to organize themselves socially, politically, and economically. Compound this with a natural human tendency for social differentiation (2) and it is amazing that European civilization under the Catholic Church held together long enough for the Scientific and Industrial Revolutions to enable us to defend ourselves against the encroaching genocide of islam.… Read more »
You are being too kind about that Starmer cu#t.
I actually call him ‘vermin’ which is a term I use for many others along with ‘cockroaches/rodents that walk on two legs’. The ‘wanker’ label is from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoD4gbslKiA of which I strongly approve.
When the reality of our impending collective destruction manifests, our internal differences can be set aside…
If they are not then we will be destroyed and anyone trying to make our differences into something we should squabble over while we are being genocided is suspect in my book, even if it was done to get a rise out of people and generate content…We are in a war and those who want to still play tiddlywinks need to adjust themselves…
The more I know of history the more I realize I don’t know. Joesph Campbell and Eric Van Daniken made me question my Christian teaching in High School. Logical conclusions at this point (fifty years on) there are a lot of things I still do not know. It must be part of the deal. To not know. Exactly when was it that you didn’t know? Answer, I’ve always not known. I think therefore I am. I think. Happy trails.
Looking back upon what I believed 30 years ago, I realize I was an idiot. Of course, that also means I’m an idiot right now!
Those that think they have all the answers are usually the most lost ..
I get the drift, and tend to agree. However, there is one thing overlooked in your “me before and me after” insight—wisdom. Wisdom = knowledge + experience! Yes, some people never obtain such no matter how long they live. I’ll assume the opposite of you given your history of posting in this group. Therefore, the probability that you are an “idiot” (as you put it) now in the way you realize you were an idiot in youth seems unlikely. There is a reason why most all previous societies we know of have treasured their elders as important source of guidance… Read more »
One of the sayings that Z Man is known for is, “Says who?” with respect to any claim of moral authority. For example, “Says who that we must have massive immigration?”
Luther and Z Man both ask that same question, although Z Man may not wish for that association.
Everything else follows from whom we make our unquestionable authority.
Well said Brother hope you are doing well and we need to get together again…
Agreed, with good wishes to you and your family
I have not eaten my own poo or claimed to have wrestled with Satan in the toilet. In fairness, that one time in Tijuana, I certainly thought Satan was in my colon for a while.
On your next podcast, you should give us all the details about “that one time in Tijuana!”
Those whorehouses will be the death of you Brother😉
It seems to me that many in our circles who call themselves pagans do so in rejection of the hebrew god and are in search of old European traditions to embrace.
I came to view the Bible very differently than I was taught, and I rejected it.
I’m not a pagan, just a regular old heathen.
The Bible doesn’t need rejection. Nobody believes it. More topically, no religion founded on it in fact relies on it. It’s irrelevant to everyone except fans of ancient literature, atheist nerds who think they can “refute” it— imagine a refutation of Shakespeare’s sonnets*—and collectors of gotchas. Christianity used to be other things—a religion based on the Bible, even—but we don’t live in other times. Christianity is what Christians do. Christianity is worshipping Jews, being gay, importing dusky hordes to rape the girls of losertown, and money-grubbing like [aspiring rappers]. The more “right-wing” the Christian, the more smug and weaselly he… Read more »
“This assumption that you can not only question authority, but you can declare yourself the authority starts in the protestant revolts.” – Z-Man That started when the Bishop of Rome unilaterally declared himself the Vicar of Christ, and in the same moment, he created atheism. That is not the only thing it did. One of the others was the then inevitable Protestant Reformation. The chain of logic for atheism is not even hard if you try, but you will not try. The chain of logic for the Reformation requires history you do not have. One of Christ’s teachings to the… Read more »
Running low on Catholics in these United States, why not import millions. It’s a good business decision, and the Church of Rome has always placed good business as its highest priority. This country used to be, for good reason, anti-Catholic. Split loyalties are a hell of a thing.
Seems articles all tout the first “American” Pope, yet he spent a veritable lifetime in Peru and holds dual citizenship—not even counting Vatican City. Now where do we have a prior example? Yep, the previous Pope, an Italian from Argentina. For years, as long as I cared to follow such—others here can correct me—we’ve had tension between the Latin American Catholic Church and the North American. Repeated stories about activist Bishops and such more concerned with social justice than the Gospels. Not expecting we’ll improve with this new Pope or can expect any relief wrt racial demographic concerns.
The last Popester was a Jesuit plant and an acolyte of Pachamama. Where the hell do they go from there?
Down Down Down into the burning ring of 🔥
the pope is no more the church than the president is the country.
“Hellenized Judaism”??? HAR HAR HAR!!! Up your arse too, Z! HAR HAR HAR! Letting you define the terms of this theological discussion is like letting the queers and troons define the terms of a discussion on sexuality. There’s no point in listening to this if we aren’t going to speak the same language I guess. Not trying to be a dink, but I can find crap like this on any second TED talk. It’s just me and my opinion, Z… but no, you DON’T need to spend 10 hours talking like this. But – whadda I know? You can tell… Read more »
The Bibles insist that your thoughts and emotions are in the beating muscle in your chest, or have their material correlates there. (Plato agreed, as far as I can tell from my reading of Grube’s translation of Republic.) Our scientists refuted that bad biology long ago. Other scientists of ours refuted the ascension stories. Our philologists exposed the misuse of Isaiah 7:14 for promoting the doctrine of virginal conception. Trinitolatry is error on stilts, like the material from which it was formed.No one needs to know any Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek to recognize some of the most egregious mistakes of… Read more »
Edit: (which is not in Israel’s Bibles)
Have it your way. Current theoretical physics postulates that our universe exists in 10 dimensions (11 if you want to include time). And you, you nose picking, meat eating, mouth breathing tool using super ape? You perceive less than 10% of the first three dimensions. Of those you understand less than 5%. And you’ll purport to sit there as my moral and intellectual superior? 😂👍 All that, with NO idea of what lies beyond boundaries of our universe, or what time is, or the state of affairs before the Big Bang? And tell me conclusively there is no room for… Read more »
It seems as though dimensions are being invented almost as rapidly as “genders.” I’m equally skeptical of both.
You should probably kill yourself
I’m not a hater, Z. No disrespect meant. I just vehemently disagree with this particular lecture.
If you wish I will delete the comment but I will still disagree with you.
“Up your arse too, Z! HAR HAR HAR!
Letting you define the terms of this theological discussion is like letting the queers and troons define the terms of a discussion on sexuality.”
Yes. Obviously no disrespect intended. :rolleyes:
Well you’re right I guess, O. It was snarkier than it should have been.
I get told to go kill myself a lot. Can’t imagine why…
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Out of line sir.
Protestantism moves Christians away from the ritualism and man-sourced authorities of Catholicism (Pope and priest) back to the Scriptural words of Christ and the prophets (whose literature, btw, was extant LONG before the ‘First Century’, e.g., Isaiah and Job). Human beings are evolving, learning creatures individually and collectively. The concept of one God — and that God a Father — moved the world away from belief in, and reliance upon, the sex-‘n-violence fertility cults of the ancient world and associated Great Mother or goddess worship. These latter underwent revival in America in the 19th Century (spiritualism) and mid-20th Century (Sixties… Read more »
God is in control; the rest of us are just pretending.
Peace.
It’s shocking how strong the stench of faggotry is these days amongst the main Protestant churches. The Canadian Anglican newsletter is positively giddy about their latest lesbian vicar, the Lutherans are lionizing some African twink who wants governments to accord special privileges to LGBTQ+2 “refugees,” and the local United church has a giant rainbow flag draped above the main doors, displacing the Cross.
Is it faggotry, T? Or pedophilia? long ago when I was a kid we used to understand that faggotry and pedophilia were opposite sides of the same coin. But nowadays we seem to break them apart and pretend that they are two different things. People seem to forget that the church has gone off the rails before. I know that here in Alberta the big denominations were all going for a major shit back in the 80s. In my neighborhood it was the Baptists. Around here a lot of small, Bible based churches are springing up everywhere. And – the… Read more »
Nietzsche, the son and grandson of Protestant pastors, said Protestantism ends up being philology. With no central authority to decide meaning, it’s arguing over Greek and Hebrew words millennia after the people who spoke them originally long have died.
Pilpul for goys, idolatrous worship of letters.
Good show, i learned some things as a christian myself. The analogies you used were useful to understanding how we got here
Hmm very odd that you choose this on the tail of them choosing a Pope that has high odds of continuing the destruction of the Catholic Church…I wonder if Catholics will claim like they did for the last one that he isn’t the True Pope so they can still hold onto their beliefs…I think we have enough problems with unity without throwing this on the fire but that’s JMHO…
Consider for a moment how accurate and honest most reporting tends to be about literally any given thing, and then apply that to the majority of coverage of the last pope. The man was certainly not without his flaws, tended to favor the soft approach on most issues, and was more conciliatory towards certain groups than would probably be prudent. But if you actually read his statements in their entirety and commentary from internal sources, almost nothing said about him by anybody else holds up, whether that be secular rags masquerading as Catholic ones in service of sowing deceit and… Read more »
And the NYT publishes retractions, eventually, on the back page and nobody puts much stock in them. Why are they buried in the details? Because nobody read them. Same reason all of the “based” crap Francis said went unread by anybody who wasn’t a conservative Catholic desperately trying to carry water for him. I give you credit for being a Catholic who’s intellectually honest to recognize that by RC doctrine “no pope, no church.” If Francis’ outlandish statements weren’t meant to be used as soundbites to bolster the World Council of Churches agenda the RC seems hellbent on pushing alongside… Read more »
The funniest ones are the ones who say “there have been bad popes before” and that they’re loyal to the church itself and that it will prevail. When St. Athanasius was excommunicated by a bad pope, it looked in no way certain that the Church would prevail. Also, we’re in the first era of “bad popes” where saying that doesn’t get you thrown in prison awaiting your trial for heresy. After all, it’s in Papal Bull Unam Sanctam “we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman… Read more »
I look forward to the decline of Christianity. It is Christians who are always forcing Africans on everyone. Christians and their universal morality.
InB4. Yes, I know it’s also the Jews.
Something akin Chesterton s Fence comes to mind here. To wit, when Christianity wains and finally succumbs, what replaces it? Islam? Careful what you wish for.
Sounds like they’re holding you back. Grow a spine. “Just waitin’ around for my enemies to disappear.” Karl Rove was right about history’s actors and those who diligently take notes and write their histories, as is their task as observers of political life, rather than choosing action, which is the only task a man has in his own polis in the only life he has. Those who choose to regard it as a movie they want to end will be doing so in the grave, because that’s not what it is.
Is there a link to the stream you did with Kersey last night? I am not on Twitter. Would love to check it out if it is published elsewhere.
Believe it’s Twitter/X only, unfortunately.
Any chance somebody can push up to Odyssey or Rumble Z?
Z threw a Baby Ruth in the pool this morning and is probably getting a chuckle at everyone flailing around.
Ha ha. What a hilarious image.
Religious organizations splinter for two major reasons…either they don’t work well for the people driving the economy and economic growth, or major corruption casts doubt on the sincerity of their spiritual claims…The medieval Catholic church had major problems with respect to both issues… and where they were very wealthy, like the monasteries in England, they also attract the greed of the rulers…The Church of England was no exception, with the entrepreneurial class largely becoming “non-conformists”..Notoriously, the massive canal building in the 17th century was performed mostly by non-conformists….
Protestantism has many, many faults, however, this article forgets that there has also always been a strong element of paganism and Hellenism in Catholicism. On a side note, let’s hope Bergoglio is soon as forgotten as Biden is.
Tragically, I fear that if he’s forgotten it will only be because the new guy has been infinitely worse.
That which works persists. Most evolutionary adaptations are local, but some are more universal. The variety of birds reflects countless local local fitness drivers. But most mammals have bicameral vision because depth perception is a huge fitness advantage regardless of environment. Ditto for religion as a tool for propagating local wisdom. Most nuances are esoteric to local culture and social necessity, but monotheism enables focus versus the chaotic contradictions of mutli-theism. The latter being too confusing for the peons to comprehend and engender.
But we are Not in a new pagan age, or anything remotely like a new pagan age.
Materialism, atheism, denial of the reality of the spirit, denial of the reality of the supernatural, value inversion, moral relativism – these are the characteristic, mainstream, official, pervasive ideology – and utterly unlike any historical paganism.
Just for the record, I don’t see how it’s possible that the church that emerged from the Vatican2 event is the same as the Catholic church. There are plenty of websites to show how the documents of vatican2 (note, not the “spirit” of Vatican 2) contain previous condemned teachings like te Jews have their own covenant, religious liberty is the right of every man and freedom of religion is a civil right, and that the church of Christ is not solely identified with the Catholic Church.also, Paul 6 changed every sacrament and then big one is the consecration rite for… Read more »
the catholics who think that are sade Vacanteists. they ise all the pre 1963 rites. but they are still catholics. the st. pious XXII feel that V2 was a mistake , and use the old rites too.neither group has been Excommunicated.
The 1988 SSPX excommunications were lifted in 2009 but they are still considered to be in at least partial open schism and do not have canonical status.
I am beginning to think that polygamy has its virtues.
Shout out to the LDS and Mormons…
“I’m wondering if another woman is really the answer we need”
never had a wife have you? one is enough.
As a Greek, I was waiting for your take on the Orthodox Church’s place in all this, but it never came. I have to ask, why do you see the Protestant reformation as such an important event in the return of peganism, but not the schism? I actually agree, but I’m curious to hear your answer. I’ll stir up some crap with you Catholics too, but just remember that we’re all brothers here. How do you guys square the circle of papal infallibility? These are fallible men that have been provably influenced by politics. Pope Leo XIII had a vision… Read more »
AUGUSTINE: So you cannot deny the existence of an unchangeable truth that contains everything that is unchangeably true. And you cannot claim that this truth is yours or mine or anyone else’s; it is present and reveals itself in common to all who discern what is unchangeably true, like a light that is public and yet strangely hidden. But if it is present in common to all who reason and understand, who could think that it belongs exclusively to the nature of any one of them? I’m sure you remember what we discussed earlier about the bodily senses. The things… Read more »
Since he is the highest authority about religion, the Protestant is both god and pope.
Hilarious comment section today. Was this column posted on the r/Jack Chick subreddit or something? Bear in mind that without the Catholic Church’s Hays Code you would’ve had the same degeneracy that was creeping into films pre-code about 40 years earlier. See German cinema in the 1920s if you’d like to experience more of that. Hollywood would’ve been producing snuff films for mass audiences by the 1960s with the approval of every mainline Prot denomination in the US, and Boomers would’ve grown up grabbing condoms from a fishbowl in their 2nd grade classrooms. Protestants like Prescott Bush and others were… Read more »
Roman Church, Nordic Empire. That has always been the European optimal.
Unity or Extinction.
If we needed more evidence that God has a plan and none of us know what it is, least of all low church Protestants:
Reichsfuhrer Ye-Dolf has opened a new front in the struggle, and the video features members of his tribe dressed like back-up dancers for Heilung while chanting “Jogger Heil Hitler.”