The End Of Free Will

Note: Last night we had a great show, one of the greatest shows ever, on Iran and Islam, with a special mystery guest who has a lot of first hand experience with both topics. You can listen to the replay here and here.


The late polemicist Christopher Hitchens famous quipped, “Yes, I have free will; I have no choice but to have it.” He was addressing the paradoxical nature of free will in that even if it were an illusion, and we could somehow figure that out, we would be forced to carry on as if it were real. Everything about how we understand ourselves as human beings, and how we get on with one another, depends on the assumption that we have choices and we make those choices freely.

The reason for that is our societies and even our own minds are organized around prescriptive requirements, not descriptive ones. Sure, we know not to step off a roof as the facts tell us we will accelerate toward the sidewalk below, until we reach the sidewalk and suddenly decelerate. It is that rapid deceleration that kills us and that is a fact not subject to opinion. The reason we believe it is immoral to jump off a roof or kill yourself in any other way has nothing to do with physics.

Suicide is a choice. In Western societies at this point in time, making that choice, regardless of the circumstances, is immoral. In other times and other places, suicide was an honorable option. The Japanese used to treat ritual suicide as an honorable end for a man who faced a disgraceful end. The West used to have the idea of leaving a doomed man alone with a bottle of whiskey and revolver. The former was to gain the required courage to use the latter for the honorable act.

As an aside, this is why the liberal project was doomed from the start. It assumed that there was a universally correct way for humans to organize their societies. We could use reason and observations of nature to arrive at the correct way we ought and ought not act and how we should and should not organize our societies. We can reason our way to a set of universal moral principles. Then we can reason our way to building a society around those moral principles.

The liberal project, all of the ideologies that have spring from it, assumes that human beings are programmed to work best in a specific sort of society. We naturally function at our best within a specific set of rules. If we can figure out those rules and then figure out how to impose them, man will be liberated from the oppression of having to live against his nature within a hostile set of rules. This is the goal of libertarianism, anarchism, communism, progressivism and so on.

This brings us back to the issue of free will. Ideologies fail, because they assume that once the rules are imposed, people no longer have to make choices between the things they desire. Free will is no longer be necessary. Even if free will is an illusion, however, it is one necessary for us to be human beings, rather than moist robots. There is something about the nature of man that requires the belief in free will. Without this illusion, if that is what it is, we cease to be human and cease to exist.

It is probably why we lack the language to discuss the descriptive world in purely descriptive terms. You see that in this post by W. M. Briggs. He is taking on a post by former physicist and current YouTuber Sabine Hossenfelder, who tries to argue that free will is a myth and you should stop believing in it. As Briggs notes, her language, even when discussing the laws of physics, is prescriptive. Even when we think descriptively, we end up using prescriptive language.

This crackpot notion that we would be better off if we chose to not believe in free will is not new to Sabine Hossenfelder. Like all such arguments, the first person to think about it was the first man with enough free time to waste some of it on contemplating pointless questions like do we have free will? Idle hands do the Devil’s work and the best proof of that is philosophy. Everywhere there have been idle hands we find the philosopher and Hell follows with him.

Of course, free will is a slippery concept. There is libertarian free will, which argues that for any choice we make, we could have chosen otherwise, even if all of the conditions that could impact our decision were identical. For example, you chose to arrive at work on time, but you could have arrived earlier or later, even assuming some negative or positive consequences to the choices. Like so much of libertarianism, this makes sense if you forget that humans live in societies with other humans.

The other form of free will involves morality. Often, oaths have a line where the person taking the oath testifies that he is taking the oath of his own free will. In criminal proceedings we differentiate between knowingly committing a crime and inadvertently or accidentally committing a crime. The driver who purposely runs down a pedestrian is treated differently from the person who does so while trying to avoid a group of school children because of our notion of free will.

Both conceptualizations of free will are most likely illusions, like much of what we think we understand about the natural world. What we think of as physical reality is probably a simplified illusion of reality. Our brains evolved to conceptualize the parts of reality we need to understand in order for our genes to advance to the next round. The concept of free will is just another item in the toolkit. Even our ability to question our conceptualization of reality is probably an illusion.

That is the problem with Sabine Hossenfelder’s argument. Whether or not free will, however defined, is a real thing does not matter, other than it being a useful topic around which to build a post. Whether you believe it or not does not matter, but once you decide to act as if it is not real, then you enter the world in which it is perfectly acceptable to remove the people who cannot fit your model of society. In the end, every ideologue must reject free will in order to pull the trigger.

That is the end of the free will debate. The age of ideology has taught us that in order to have societies that accommodate human nature, we must choose to organize ourselves as comes naturally to use. That means leaving others to organize themselves as comes naturally to them. Once you start down the path of rejecting free will, you end up on the road that leads to industrial slaughter and the menticide that now promises to extinguish the Western world.

We have free will and if we did not have it, we would have no choice but to invent as it is the only way we can live as human beings. That means we have a choice as to how we organize ourselves. We must collectively choose our metaphysics and our morality and choose how we deal with those who undermine our choices. Those who choose otherwise, in effect, choose not to be us. Therefore, we have the choice to exclude them from us, even choosing to use force if necessary.


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rz123
rz123
12 days ago

Z opened my mind to a different outlook. Thank you Chris. RIP.

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  rz123
12 days ago

Indeed. I learned so much from his writings and podcasts, too. Will always be grateful for this.

Very sad news.

RIP Z Man.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Zaphod
12 days ago

Good lord. Has this been confirmed?

HalfTrolling
HalfTrolling
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

Ramzpaul was on twitter confirming it, the lack of a friday post seals the deal, unfortunately.

We’ve lost a giant of a man.

Carrie
Carrie
Reply to  HalfTrolling
12 days ago

Lack of his regular Friday podcast will be missed, as well. I’m sure many of us listened every week.

Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton
Reply to  Carrie
9 days ago

Today, Zman would probably be discussing the Big Beautiful Bill’s imminent passage and what it means for the country. While Fox and CNN will send normies down rabbit trails, Z would discuss the inner workings and machinations of the ruling class going on behind the scenes. He had an eloquent way of bringing clarity amid a sea of noise and wonderful knack for getting down to brass tacks. Anyone know of such a blog as this? Not entirely a rhetorical question, but one of genuine desire to connect with the few who think like we do. If so please message… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

I did my part, now we need some follow-up from others. (Berkeley Springs, WV is in Morgan County. If he lives in another county, please correct me.) This is what I wrote to the Sheriff at : MorganSheriff @ morgancountywv . gov I urge you to take a closer look at the death of Christopher Zeeman and to have an autopsy conducted.I don’t want to sound like some conspiracy theorist, but there have been a lot of suspicious deaths of people in the media responsible for “wrongthink.”Chris was a right wing blogger with a fairly large following and he was… Read more »

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john smyth
john smyth
Reply to  TempoNick
11 days ago

Much like Jonathan Bowden in the sense that he apparently died just as he was breaking through so to speak . . . Maybe its all on the up and up but I hope that there is an honest investigation.

RIP Z

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  john smyth
11 days ago

Exactly. We didn’t know his health issues, but given everything that has happened in recent history, it is not unreasonable that we are very suspicious of foul play.

Enough monkey business has been going on in our government that we deserve transparency.

Send the Sheriff an email.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
11 days ago

That is not his real name. He was doxed some time ago.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
11 days ago

I did not know that.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  TempoNick
11 days ago

I also have a bad feeling it could be foul play to kill a central and growing node in the networks of those unwilling to abide by slavery and forced extinction. Just my two cents.

I also hope a similar site is made. But it won’t be the same without Z. This is a genuine shock, I think to all of us. Let’s make sure we don’t lose the big fight. I think he would have wanted that more than anything. SMH (damn!!)

GCM
GCM
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
9 days ago

There was no foul play involved.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  GCM
8 days ago

What has the sheriff or coroner said, heat stroke, a coronary??

ray
ray
Reply to  GCM
7 days ago

You were there, genius?

Go back to the Daily Kos and let the adults handle things, ok missy?

whiskey
whiskey
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
9 days ago

I have made a site, search for socalresident on Substack. It is my goal to continue Chris’s legacy, not being Chris, but maintaining the great part about his site which was a gathering place for dissidents.

Concerned Bystander
Concerned Bystander
Reply to  whiskey
9 days ago

Thank you for organizing this!

ray
ray
Reply to  whiskey
9 days ago

Sounds good.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  whiskey
8 days ago

Great initiative, thanks!

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

Derb posted about it.

SpineSurgeon
SpineSurgeon
Reply to  rz123
12 days ago

This man was responsible for my political maturation. He was my Morpheus. This is a very sad day for me. He will be missed.

RIP Z.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  SpineSurgeon
12 days ago

His disciplined intelligence was an inspiration to me. He fought the good fight. Rest in peace, brother.

Huerfanostill
Huerfanostill
Reply to  rz123
12 days ago

He was always a calm voice when things were crazy. He’ll be missed. RIP. Sic transit gloria mundi.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  rz123
11 days ago

This is a truly monumental loss and it’s still so shocking. I had the honor of meeting him a few times and we had occasional email exchanges. You didn’t have to meet him in person to know what an extraordinary man he was. He really was a cut above. We all came here each day for a voice of reason in this dark, crazy world. An effort is being made to contact his next of kin. Additionally, there are many in our community who would like to pay last respects and a ceremony in his honor will be coordinated. Last… Read more »

Auld Mark
Auld Mark
Reply to  Melissa
11 days ago

Thank you Melissa, in the days to come as we try to find a new home for the ” house that Z built “, you may be very important to the effort to make that happen. It sounds as though you maybe our best source of information on the ground there, please continue to share what you know. Nothing is certain at this point except the knowledge that everyone here wants this forum that Zman started to continue. Hopefully the future will include this group of thinkers sharing their take on world events and the human condition. God bless all… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Auld Mark
11 days ago

Thank you Melissa. Any other relevant information you can share is appreciated.

Sounds like he might have been heatstruck with a delayed reaction. He felt bad enough to mention his ‘marathon’ in his note to you, so that is suggestive of really overdoing it on the yardwork.

He doesn’t seem like the kind of man who’d complain much about physical things. I never heard him even mention his physical condition or problems.

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Lionel Mandrake
Lionel Mandrake
Reply to  ray
11 days ago

A good friend died while mowing a lawn for a friend who was out of town in the middle of an awfully hot near record Atlanta summer day. He was found in the yard 2 days later.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Melissa
11 days ago

Melissa,

If there is a ceremony, please let us know. I would attend if it all possible.

Thanks,
CoaSC

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
11 days ago

Same Brother…

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Lineman
11 days ago

I don’t live too far. In fact, I had thought about trying to get together with Z when he was settled in. Tragic.

I think that I’ll hit the VDare conference (assuming that they hold it this year) if for no other reason than a sign of respect.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
11 days ago

CoaCS,

I will certainly share the details of his memorial.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Melissa
11 days ago

Thanks.

Remolish
Remolish
Reply to  Melissa
10 days ago

Melissa,
I’d like to help make sure this website stays archived and online. If you can point me to any contact or family member, it would be really helpful. Otherwise, the domain will expire, some web-bot will snatch it up and put spam on it, and all links pointing to the site won’t load the original content. An archive is good, but preserving it on the actual domain is best. If you could be of any help, please email me at remolish (at) protonmail (dot) com.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Remolish
10 days ago

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. We need to keep Z’s writings and podcasts archived. I direct people to posts or podcasts to help them on their journey.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Remolish
10 days ago

Thank you for offering.
A friend of his was able to confirm that it won’t expire until April.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Melissa
9 days ago

That’s very good news, Melissa. We have plenty of time to discuss plans for the future regarding the preservation of Z’s work and the possibility of creating another site to carry on what he started here.

ray
ray
Reply to  Remolish
9 days ago

Thank you for your offer. I hope you are successful at archiving Z’s work.

friends of zman
friends of zman
Reply to  Remolish
9 days ago

I have sent a message to z-man’s WordPress provider. I hope to hear back Monday. the DNS expires next April according to whois so we are safe for a while there

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 days ago

CSC, if you’re so inclined, please contact me at si*********@****on.me

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

sixtuscoyle @ proton.me

friends of zman
friends of zman
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 days ago

there will be, we are working on it. follow @friendsofzman on X

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 days ago

CSC, if you’re so inclined, please contact me at si*********@****on.me

Last edited 9 days ago by Ostei Kozelskii
Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 days ago

We have attempted to post the details of his memorial but our comments are sent to moderation.
I’m sorry.

Please check out FriendsOfZman on twitter for more information.

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
Reply to  Melissa
10 days ago

He got a full check up annually, the works . I know this because he would mention it. Always got a clean bill of health. Did they miss something ?

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Panzernutter
10 days ago

Who’s to say. It’s been insanely hot here lately. Could have been heat stroke or a heart attack caused by overwork in the heat.

GCM
GCM
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 days ago

Could have been Covid. That would be ironically tragic.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Panzernutter
9 days ago

Shows that those checkups are worth about as much as I suspected.
Yeah something horribly wrong will be caught, but the patient probably would suspect such a thing anyway.

James
James
Reply to  Panzernutter
7 days ago

Peter Brimelow said on a Twitter Space just now that it was a heart attack. Apparently Z’s neighbor saw him collapse while mowing his lawn and called the police.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  rz123
11 days ago

Yes, me too. He always challenged my thinking. He’s been my daily break read for many years. He will be sorely missed. RIP.

BuckinghamFountainMicturator
BuckinghamFountainMicturator
Reply to  rz123
11 days ago

I did not believe Z passed. Unpossible.

I love you, Brother. You did so much good in this world. Now, it’s onwards to new challenges without the retards.

/s/just another schmuck in Chicago*

*There is a fan base here.

1UknownSubject
1UknownSubject
Reply to  rz123
10 days ago

Rest in peace Zman. Learned a lot from you and a lot from the commentariat. Daily stop on my morning reading routine.

friends of zman
friends of zman
Reply to  rz123
9 days ago

please follow https://x.com/FriendsOfZman run by his Boston friends, for information about a service, and some pics.

Auld Mark
Auld Mark
Reply to  friends of zman
9 days ago

Thank you for doing this, for news updates and a place to stay in touch.

Carl B.
Carl B.
12 days ago

Good people like Z die young while evil crones like Pelosi seemingly go on forever. I think I’ll go outside and yell at a cloud.

R.I.P. Zman.

Chmi
Chmi
Reply to  Carl B.
11 days ago

That’s something you can comment when you believe the matter of existence ends with what is visible to the senses in this world.
No, this is only a leg. A very challenging leg, at that, but a part of what does likely stretch infinitely.

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
12 days ago

Some are asking where we all go now? I say we should disperse and spread dissident thought to all the normies in our real lives.

The Socratic method is best. Hide your power level at first and just keep asking the right questions so they eventually reach the correct conclusions on their own.

Also write blogs, post blabs, join podcasts and do all you can to keep spreading thought online.

One Z Man has fallen. Let 1,000 Z Men rise in his place!

Ed
Ed
Reply to  Mr. Generic
12 days ago

This!

ray
ray
Reply to  Mr. Generic
12 days ago

No. Do not atomize; dissipation will follow. Find another leader who will host a page and continue on.

Z’s page was powerful because of his breadth of knowledge and experience, yes, but also due to the shared potency of community. THAT — not the individuals — is what the Woke-Fem Politburo feared, and fears still. Individuals are easy to pick off.

They already are celebrating Z’s demise. Don’t make it easy on them. Rise up again immediately and continue on the attack, redoubled in memory of friend Z.

Stephanie
Stephanie
Reply to  ray
10 days ago

I’ll miss you too, Ray-Ray. My very favorite He-man women hater’s club member. 😉

ray
ray
Reply to  Stephanie
9 days ago

Women have been trying to shame, guilt and silence me for 30 years, chickee. I am way, way past all that.

But you imagine you will be the one to do it! lol

Stop following me around like a lost puppy.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
12 days ago

My sympathy is with all who knew The Zman, either IRL or on the innerwebs.

This is my last post as Jeffrey Zoar, a screenname I made just to post here. If you see a post by Useless Eater, that could be me. Or my Substack handle, Martin Castillo. Been an honor shitposting with all of you here. Best commentariat on the internet. I don’t expect to see its like again. I certainly didn’t see its like before.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
12 days ago

Stunning. I can only give my sympathies to everyone here and my greatest thanks to Z Man for all that he did. He will be missed as will his commentors. It was an honor to be a part of it.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
12 days ago

Yes Amen To All That Brothers…

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
11 days ago

Amen. RIP to a legend

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
11 days ago

Same. Your commentary was stellar.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Jack Dodson
11 days ago

Indeed. Maybe I’m mistaken but wasn’t it you, Citizen, who once commented here that your stock assertion to those offended or puzzled by your refusal to embrace the cultural orthodoxy is “I want what’s best for my people”? And that when you’re asked to identify your people, you give the disarming reply “I know them when I see them”?

I can’t tell you how the Zen-like simplicity of that phrase has percolated in my mind, matched only by Z-Man’s “Because we live here.”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dodson
11 days ago

Citizen is the rarest of gems.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jack Dodson
10 days ago

Yeah, I might consider doing something public as well. I hate to see this crew disappear. Very thoughtful comments. I’ve learned as much from the comments as Z.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
10 days ago

When considering doing roughly what Z did, we must also consider the possibility of doxxing. Apparantly this happened to Z, but fortunately didn’t affect his livelihood. But anybody who is vulnerable to doxxing needs to think very hard about venturing into the online political commentary business.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

Men follow courage.

GCM
GCM
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 days ago

You should take over for him. Zman would want that to happen.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
9 days ago

Jack, I’d appreciate it if you’d give me a jingle at si*********@****on.me

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

sixtuscoyle @ proton.me

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

Will do.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

Tried to no avail. The email was returned.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
12 days ago

If I find another place to comment, I’ll continue using my current pseudonym.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

I was rather hoping you’d say that. Fare thee well, my mentor.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 days ago

And all the best to you, too, Alzaebo. Let us hope Chris’ tragic passing is not the end for this group but rather a detour onto another fruitful avenue.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

I’ve really enjoyed your commentary here. Hopefully I’ll trip over you again someday. God bless.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wiffle
10 days ago

And I you.

Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
12 days ago

Dr Mantis will remain my norm de guere. God bless all of you and I hope to see you somewhere else on the interwebs.

I will miss reading Chris’ amazing, thought-provoking essays. Fridays will not be the same without his wonderful podcast, many of which made me guffaw.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 days ago

I will follow you on your substack handle. I always enjoyed your comments. I’m just crushed tbh. Take care Jeffrey

Zorro, the lesser 'Z' man
Zorro, the lesser 'Z' man
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 days ago

Love your substack, Jeffery Useless Neofeudal Martin Zoar Eater Review Castillo!

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 days ago

All of that and thanks for the information. This blog was unique and almost certainly a one-off. It really puts a hole in our lives even if we didn’t know Z personally. I don’t expect ever to see another forum that appeals to me anywhere near this degree. Chris is a type we see too often now–a remarkable mind, atomized in his personal life, and someone who should have been known by far more people than us.

Just gutted.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
12 days ago

Everyone thinks 80 is a gimme. It is not. Zman went down swinging; unbowed and unbroken. Much better than say, how Jobs went. He opened my eyes and mind like no one else, and for that I am in his debt.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
12 days ago

Despite never having met the man, I felt an immense kindred bond with him. Every morning the first thing I’d do is open his blog and read the post. I was a green door subscriber and would seek out all of his appearances and guest spots. It is a stark reminder that life is for living. Be with your loved ones. Spend your time with people worthy of your time. It can all go away in a flash.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Tired Citizen
12 days ago

Z-Man would often mention, when the temptation was to become bitter and immiserated at the world we’re forced to live in, that life is to be enjoyed and that you should never allow yourself to take things too seriously. It’s sound advice.

Stephanie
Stephanie
Reply to  KGB
10 days ago

Right, most of the time everything is a suggestion, not a rule even if they call it that.

Whiskey
12 days ago

Oh my god, no.

Chris was a good man. He reached out to me and offered words of consolation when my brother died suddenly.

I cannot say this enough, Chris was a good man. A very good man. Beyond politics, beyond understanding, he was kind, decent, and caring.

I cannot tell you what a loss this is.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Whiskey
11 days ago

Good Whiskey, a short message beneath your lengthy comment down below.
It is not consolation – there is none – it is something you should know to expect. Something will happen – and it will mean everything.

https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=34419#comment-464032

Please forgive me in this private matter, this once will be my only.
You are what he would’ve been, as we were born in Ontario.

Last edited 11 days ago by Alzaebo
RVIDXR
RVIDXR
12 days ago

I was hoping that somehow there’d be a new article today & the claim that Z passed wasn’t true but here we are. Rest in peace Z-Man, I read your site for well over a decade, feel like I knew you even though I didn’t, not really. Gonna miss you like I knew you though. I won’t forget you, man. There’s no one else who could ever compare to you, you were a titan in the pro White space, they broke the mold with you & nobody will be able to fill the void you have left. I’m glad I… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  RVIDXR
12 days ago

I am crushed. I feel as though I’ve lost my home, been cast into the void. What an enormous loss – and he had only just escaped from Baltimore and started making a life in West Virginia. I never had the privilege of meeting him, but felt I knew him nonetheless. May you rest in eternal peace, Zman.

RVIDXR
RVIDXR
Reply to  3g4me
12 days ago

I know, I’m still not really absorbing it. Its surreal. Still don’t want to believe it but if I didn’t comment now, by the time I did eulogize & say goodbye I doubt anyone would be around to read it, its going to take that for me to process this gut punch.

Absolutely devastating.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  RVIDXR
12 days ago

I feel the same.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  RVIDXR
12 days ago

I’ve never felt such grief for somebody I didn’t even know.

RVIDXR
RVIDXR
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

Didn’t really think about how woven into my daily life he was until this, its a real shock to the system. Always had his work to look forward to & then *poof* just like that, no more. The gravity of it hasn’t even begun to set in yet, in hindsight the amount of times I’ve opened my browser on my phone & hit the Z key then enter key on my keyboard to check the homepage is astronomical. Its muscle memory, I didn’t even think about it, I could get to this site on my phone blindfolded I’ve done it… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  RVIDXR
12 days ago

We live remote by choice, and yet via fiber optic internet I’ve been able to continue my daily reading/interacting on Zman’s site without a hitch. So many other sites have disappeared, or I’ve moved beyond them (with Zman and commenters’ help), or I’ve been banned from. Nowhere else with the breadth and depth, and history of Western European thought.

And yes, I share Ostei’s feeling of intense grief for someone I didn’t truly know. I weep for Zman’s passing and the void he’s left behind.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
12 days ago

We’ve all become a bit lonelier. And I say that as a lone wolf by nature.

Last edited 12 days ago by Ostei Kozelskii
RVIDXR
RVIDXR
Reply to  3g4me
12 days ago

“or I’ve been banned from” I laughed at this, many such cases. Not that I wanted to stick around anyway quite frankly. I’m out in boondocks myself though a stones throw from the city & suburbs, I thought this would be far enough away to rest easy till I passed but no. Didn’t want to have to take an eternity to commute to work but its looking like thats whats coming in order to avoid subhuman Whites that are a precursor to africanization. If I didn’t have wired internet I’d have to have a landline because there’s no service here… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  3g4me
11 days ago

I think people need to start naming sites. They are hard to come by these days.

Auld Mark
Auld Mark
Reply to  TempoNick
10 days ago

Yes,if we don’t come up with alternatives right away, this site could disappear abruptly and then where are we?

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  3g4me
9 days ago

Yes, I’ll miss the comments/commentors here as well. it’s been good talking to y’all (though several of you I see on Fedi and Twitter too).

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  RVIDXR
12 days ago

We inhabit a cruel world.

RVIDXR
RVIDXR
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

We do & I appreciate you saying that, I hate the toxic positivity, faux happiness & the never ending platitudes that are so frustratingly common nowadays. Sometimes life sucks & yes the world is a dark place & theres not only nothing with admitting that but denying it is exactly how things spiraled out of control to this point.

You just inadvertently demonstrated why this place is so special with this comment, anywhere else the comments would be inundated with insulting bromides.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

Per this, evidently his last essay, it is not. The world is completely incapable of choosing any action, so by definition, cannot choose to be cruel. It is merely indifferent.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
9 days ago

That is not quite what I meant. My point is that our world is bound by metaphysical constraints that ensure a considerable measure of misery for all sentient creatures. Consequently, a great many, but not all sentient creatures lead more or less cruel existences. Saying we inhabit a cruel world is a figure of speech that obliquely captures a great deal of truth.

Freedom Girl
Freedom Girl
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
6 days ago

Hi Ostei, my sympathies. I am devastated logging on today. I almost died myself last week while hospitalized. From my mostly bedbound existence, The Z Man blog and its’ astute commentators were my daily read, and solace. While regaining consciousness, I realized that during my life time, the world has not known peace, and it saddened me. The Z Man explained why. I’m also a big fan of Moon of Alabama, LewRockwell.com, UNZ.com. I come across the same commentators, always a joy. Yes, we live in a cruel, yet heartbreakingly beautiful world. Ostei, although I have never commented or replied… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

The country cannot afford to lose him . . . not that it has the sense to know.

These great men don’t come along too often and like it or not, you are in the middle of a war. So your reaction is well-founded.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

But we DID know him, through his ideas. Which is why we feel such loss. Perhaps we knew him better than the people who surround us physically and with whom we exchange mundane and banal pleasantries, but never truly “know.”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
11 days ago

Excellent point. And I substantially agree. But all of the articles, podcasts, etc. cannot quite subsitute for sitting down with a man over a couple of pitchers of beer. The facial expressions, the body language, the voice inflections, and the unpredictable ramifications of conversation are an essential part of truly knowing somebody. So, while I knew Z-man, I didn’t quite know Z-man.

iForgotmyPen
iForgotmyPen
Reply to  Xman
11 days ago

This is a great point XMan. We did know him because we saw how his brain worked and heard his opinions on virtually every topic. And I’ll be damned if there was one time where he didn’t make me think and rethink my positions. Even when I didn’t agree or wish he’d go further, I could only marvel at his ability to articulate ideas. So yes, I think you’re right in that many of us were, despite never meeting him in person, closer to this man than we are to most of our “friends.”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
9 days ago

Xman, there’s something I’d like to discuss with you. Please contact me at si*********@****on.me

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

sixtuscoyle @ proton.me

oldcoyote
oldcoyote
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

Amen. Bless you, and all the others who made this site one of the best dissident commentary on the interwebz. The Zman will live on in our hearts- and minds as well. May we all meet again on the other side.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

Truer words. I just stumbled onto this horrific news. Z was an extraordinarily eloquent voice and a crystal-clear thinker. I’ve never cared a whit about any public figure–even a minor celebrity, to borrow his phrase–I did not personally know, but this is quite different.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Jack Dodson
10 days ago

Jack – I’ve been in and out of Zman’s blog, but I’ve always enjoyed your commentary. Best of luck and Godspeed.

NoIdentifyingMarks
NoIdentifyingMarks
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
6 days ago

I know. Have been near tears for the last week.

Ronald
Ronald
Member
Reply to  3g4me
12 days ago

Feel that 3g
There’s no one I can sit and have a beer to reflect with either even though I tried over the years to turn some people on to him. No one wants to think anymore..
RIP Z

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Ronald
12 days ago

I have that same feeling. With whom can I share an Irish wake?

ray
ray
Reply to  KGB
12 days ago

We are all walking slow on this day.

If Z doesn’t enter into heaven, it won’t be because I didn’t recommend him.

Jackson Browne – Of Missing Persons – Hold Out (Tribute to Lowell George – Founder of Little Feat)

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tashteego
Member
Reply to  3g4me
11 days ago

Z was moderate, measured and intelligent with an incredible enduring capacity for engaging and communicating his thoughts in writing especially. His writing and the many similarly intelligent and thoughtful commenters here were / are one of the few remaining web information vehicles I deliberately expose myself to. I don’t comment as much as many regulars here but I read everyday and I also hope this house that Z built can endure somehow. Rest in Peace Z. AMDG

Yak-15
Yak-15
Reply to  RVIDXR
12 days ago

I haven’t commented in 3 years but came back when I heard the news. Still listened to his podcast weekly. Starting coming to his blog after he snagged me from Sailer’s site in 2015 or so (iirc).

This is a tremendous loss.

RVIDXR
RVIDXR
Reply to  Yak-15
12 days ago

I found him via Vox Day of all people around 2013, mentioned him in a stream thats now lost to time. Didn’t start commenting until I became a commenter refugee from all the censorship purges. This was the one of the only places that wasn’t rife with schizo tier cope posting & wasn’t flooded with cult of personality MAGApedes when internet censorship was cranked up to 11. I wish I was more diligent in commenting & replying, my life has become increasingly chaotic over the last few years so oftentimes I would just catch up reading everything at the end… Read more »

Yak-15
Yak-15
Reply to  RVIDXR
12 days ago

where to now?

RVIDXR
RVIDXR
Reply to  Yak-15
12 days ago

Your guess is as good as mine. What I said about being a refugee didn’t just apply to me, ever since the shift to labeling anyone who doesn’t think men can become women a nazi every other place I know of got destroyed. If you go look at the comments of any random Unz article now its a mental asylum, still good people there but its demographically changed for the worse. Twitter you can’t type a paragraph without having to pay & hand your personal information over to israel so they can dox you with all the consequences that brings… Read more »

GCM
GCM
Reply to  RVIDXR
9 days ago

Vox Day’s site is the recommendation.

ray
ray
Reply to  GCM
9 days ago

Not for me it ain’t. I had enough of Teddy long ago, and I am not enduring him and his fanboys again.

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GCM
GCM
Reply to  ray
8 days ago

It’s not about you and your own issues with Teddy. It’s about the Z-Man.

ray
ray
Reply to  GCM
8 days ago

Now you try to guilt me into doing what you want. You imagine yourself clever. You ain’t.

I don’t recall you posting much to this page, there, GCM. But all of a sudden — now that you want Z’s stuff transferred to Teddy — all of a sudden why here you are, deeply Concerned About the Z Man.

Like to slap you. Mebbe later.

GCM
GCM
Reply to  ray
8 days ago

Not trying to guilt you into anything.

Just because I rarely commented didn’t mean I wasn’t a regular reader. Quite a few posters here have come out and said the same thing.

Like to slap me, huh. Because I merely stated it’s not about you, it’s about the Z-Man? Not a good look on your part.

ray
ray
Reply to  GCM
7 days ago

I don’t give a shit about good look.

Little weasel.

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KGB
KGB
Reply to  RVIDXR
12 days ago

I suspect I read some of his comments a long time ago at NRO – and probably clucked my tongue at them – but I found this site, astoundingly, when it was included in the morning link round up at Ace Of Spades, a blog that promotes a brand of conservatism that most of Z-Man’s commentariat find distasteful.

RVIDXR
RVIDXR
Reply to  KGB
12 days ago

I don’t know if Z had mods to approve comments or if he alone did that but in case it never gets approved (I don’t even know what I said to trigger the comment being blocked) wanted to say thanks for sharing. So many great things I discovered was due to randomly stumbling onto it like that, I was lucky to find Z so early but I would’ve eventually because, particularly after Trump won, so many pro White figures started talking about him & his work. Having said that, thats a pretty wild way to find him & end up… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  RVIDXR
8 days ago

ProZ (Pro “Zman” NoV (VoxDay)) here.

Much the same.

Never had the sense that Zman was ever in “cope” mode. Or “grift/buy my out of copyright books” mode.

What a man.

Compsci
Compsci
12 days ago

With Z-man’s passing, a scene and line from the movie “Blade Runner” comes to mind.

Roy, the dying clone, meets his maker Tyrell. Tyrell comforts Roy wrt his short lived purpose coming to an end with the line,

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long – and you have burned so very, very brightly…”

And so it is with Z-man….

Goodbye, Z-man, and goodbye to all of you in his commentary group. May we all meet again somewhere, someday.

Felix Krull
Member
11 days ago

Lord, that was a punch to the gut, what with Zman posting his columns with clockwork regularity.

The loss, if I may be so selfish, is compounded by the demise of this forum which has been a great source of inspiration for me, even if I’ve been rather remiss with my participation this last year or more.

Godspeed to you all and I hope we’ll meet again out there on the battlefield but if not: it’s been a privilege.

Felix.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
11 days ago

To you as well, Felix.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

Same. Enjoyed interacting with you.

My Comment
My Comment
12 days ago

I find myself mourning not only Z and the end of this blog but also the death of blogs. 5 years ago there were blogs I could go to for my bad thoughts fix. Z’s was the last.Heartiste gave up when his blog was Shoahed by WordPress. Dahlrock retired his. Roosh gave his sites up to live a private life after being censored and becoming a Christian. TDS and AA have been completely demonetized and censored to the point that AA recently threw in the towel. Z was one of the last blogs standing. There is still Moon of Alabama… Read more »

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Boris
Reply to  My Comment
12 days ago

Yep. Ol’ Remus, too. He passed almost five years ago to the day. And of course there was the Vdare takedown. It won’t be much longer until the blogosphere resembles cable/satellite tv: 800 channels of sh** to choose from.

Dr. Mabuse
Dr. Mabuse
Reply to  Boris
12 days ago

There was Lawrence Auster too – I can’t believe it’s been 12 years since he died.

Ed
Ed
Reply to  Dr. Mabuse
11 days ago

Auster’s website is still up to be read. I hope Z’s blog stays up forever too.

ray
ray
Reply to  My Comment
12 days ago

The darkness of New Amerika assuredly hates independent thought, and independent men most of all. These forces are evil, not stupid. I am v suspicious about z’s sudden death, as I was when Marc Angelucci, attorney of the National Association For Men, was murdered in 2020. I do not buy the FBI’s story about Marc, who was the heart and soul of NCFM. When did the FBI start speaking the truth? lol I feel the gloom falling on New Amerika, a nation whose leaders and citizenry selected the dark side long ago, choosing to abide with lies and self-serving sinister… Read more »

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My Comment
My Comment
Reply to  ray
12 days ago

When you live in an age where everything you are told officially is a lie, I definitely can’t fault anyone for questioning Z’s death. All one has to do is look at the Clinton body count

ray
ray
Reply to  My Comment
11 days ago

After hearing the details, I suspect he died of acute heat stroke, delayed. Because of who he was, however, I think some investigation is in order to rule out foul play.

GCM
GCM
Reply to  ray
9 days ago

I think that you should head up the citizen investigation. You do have your contacts within law enforcement who are the “good guys”. I implore you, please take the lead on this matter. Devastating.

ray
ray
Reply to  GCM
9 days ago

Yes I do know some LE people, and some political people, from my years living in the U.S. I had a career that caused interaction with such folk. As for LE generally being the ‘good guys’, it is vanishingly rare as they have become enforcers of Feminism and Woke. Or they don’t keep their jobs. Far as I am concerned, that constitutes collusion with the enemies of God and country. I left New Amerika almost a decade ago and have no wish whatsoever to return and be falsely accused and falsely imprisoned, as I was before. That bitch cuntry can… Read more »

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GCM
GCM
Reply to  ray
9 days ago

No, YOU are the one that must be front and center of it. You have been called into service. This is something that you must do.

ray
ray
Reply to  GCM
8 days ago

Go away.

GCM
GCM
Reply to  ray
8 days ago

Listen, you said you wanted an investigation. Now you’re backtracking?

ray
ray
Reply to  GCM
7 days ago

Be seeing you down the road. Know what I mean?

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  My Comment
12 days ago

Who are AA and TDS (other than Trump Derangement Syndrome)?

My Comment
My Comment
Reply to  Brandon Laskow
12 days ago

Andrew Anglin and The Daily Stormer

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  My Comment
12 days ago

Thanks!

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  My Comment
10 days ago

I thought Anglin was back up

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  My Comment
8 days ago

Anglin can be entertaining, but that’s because he’s a contrarian comedian, so he tends to not be a very deep thinker.

Caligulashorse
Caligulashorse
Reply to  Brandon Laskow
11 days ago

The daily shoah @ therightstuff.biz

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  My Comment
8 days ago

I ran a blog for a while, but bloggers like Zman showed me that I was actually quite bad at it and gave it up to make comments (like this one).

James
James
12 days ago

Rest in peace, Chris

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  James
12 days ago

Is it for real?? Do you have KNOWLEDGE or is it just rumors??

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
12 days ago

An enormous effect on the way I saw politics and culture. What a loss. We should make some effort to preserve his work. I’d hate to see it lost.

ray
ray
12 days ago

Good night sweet prince. Reading your blog in the morning over coffee was a part of my day I looked forward to, especially the humor. You will be fiercely missed.

Xman
Xman
12 days ago

Jesus Christ… I hope this isn’t true. I fear it is if RamZPaul said it, though. What a loss. What a great community of dissident thinkers we have here. What a great service to intellectual freedom and free speech Z has provided. The people here, including (especially) Z are some of the most intelligent, thoughtful, incisive, and well-informed people out there. Without this page I am going to feel an emptiness that is not going to be filled any time soon. Thank you all for being my mates and thank you, Z for providing this place of intellectual refuge. But… Read more »

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  Xman
12 days ago

If it’s indeed true, and I’m still holding out hope, we do need to discuss where we’ll be migrating. Ramzpaul? Pete Quinones? I also look forward to reading the members here, and without Z and this community, I’ll definitely feel a hole in how I digest this crazy world daily.Secondly, people in the community need to start archiving and saving all his work before something happens to this website. His life work and commentary are far too important to the cause to just lose.

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Marko
Marko
Reply to  The Greek
12 days ago

Z Man needs to be memorialized like Fahrenheit 451.
Also, several posters here need to start their own blogs. Take up his mantle. The comments here were almost as good as the OP.

ray
ray
Reply to  Marko
12 days ago

For those of us who already have separate blogs, substack sites, etc., perhaps we should list our sites here so that fellow Z fans can find like-company in the future.

To date, those of us with sites didn’t link to them here, out of courtesy to the site owner.

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ray
ray
Reply to  The Greek
12 days ago

Perhaps one of you with writing and tech skills could open up a similar blog, dedicated in memory of Z?

I am quite poor but would not mind a nominal fee to keep a comment blog open in Z’s memory, whether I participated or not.

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
Reply to  The Greek
11 days ago

Ten year listener and occasional commenter. Absolutely floored by this. First thing I read almost every morning. Our side just could not afford a man of such character, intellect and energy. It’s impossibly rare that one human is actually indispensable. For a people struggling against near Satanic human evil, this one was.  i do hope there is a way to capture and preserve his body of work. I fear the forces of darkness will quickly move to destroy all memory of him. I’m not a technophile, and I can’t begin to guess how his memory and work can be saved… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Xman
12 days ago

Xman, you expressed my thoughts and I’m sure so many of us here, perfectly. The Zman will be missed and while I have not met him or any of us here, I’ve come to consider this blog as a home and refuge and all of you as friends.

Snarfy
Snarfy
Reply to  Wolf Barney
12 days ago

ZBlog was an every day read for me. He was smart,funny and opened my eyes to a lot of the bs going on today. RIP Z!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
12 days ago

Man, oh man, I’m just floored. Don’t even know what to say. Awful. Simply awful. What was he–57 or 58? Way too dam’ soon.

iForgotmyPen
iForgotmyPen
12 days ago

I’m in disbelief. I want to think that Ramz’ account has been hacked and this is some prank. I was planning on attending a conference with Z Man because I wanted to thank him in person. I guess now I won’t get the chance. I have followed him for years and at some level I feel like we’ve lost a family member. He was instrumental in opening countless eyes, and we owe him a massive debt of gratitude. To be able to crank out thought-provoking essays for years took a phenomenal mind. It feels weird that you can think you… Read more »

Hokkoda
Member
12 days ago

Oh my. Rest well, Chris. I think I’ve known the guy close to 20 years. Not in the hanging out over beers kind of way, but they a lot of us know bloggers…through our work and our sharing ideas. A lot of the stuff we talked about there made their way into his new blog. We got purged in 2016 (Trump!) and took great joy sharing the cratering of internet traffic at Con Inc. websites. We were among the very first unmoderated commenters (the coveted gold star) at National Review Online. That was around 2005 on Disqus. I still remember… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hokkoda
8 days ago

Hokkoda, I’d appreciate it if you’d contact me at sixtuscoyle @ proton.me

Marko
Marko
12 days ago

I’m gonna eulogize here as well. In my adult life I have normally hopped from writer to writer, eventually “getting it” and tiring of him before moving onto someone else. I have been a regular reader of The Man since 2017 (Derb pointed me his way) and have never gotten tired of him. Ever. He always made me think. I am blessed that I found ZMan and grateful to God that I wasn’t given a normie brain that stops at George Will and David Brooks, and ZMan’s influence will stay with me and all of the commenters here for the… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Marko
8 days ago

That is odd now that you mention it. I got worn out by about everyone after 6 years, and even Z mentioned such a “roll off” was typical, but yeah here I am 9 years later still reading/listening to him.

PGT Beauregard
PGT Beauregard
12 days ago

A tremendous loss to the dissident community. A great thinker and a funny person. Hopefully someone picks up the mantle in his honor and keeps this great comment section going. As Z always said, its the best commentary on the internet. RIP Chris.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
12 days ago

Well … shit…!

He’s … dead? Really?

What a bummer. ☹️

I’m here every day. I love Z, and I love the bums here in the comments to. A lot of you guys are as sharp as he was. Even the raging arguments and food fights were great. You could crack a rude joke, or debate with men and women that actually THINK.

The zingers alone were worth the trip. Godspeed, Z. And best of luck to all you guys too. We have very big shoes to fill.

3g4me
3g4me
13 days ago

Before I left college, my father strongly advised me to take some philosophy classes. I’ve never regretted ignoring his advice.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  3g4me
13 days ago

Yup. It’s just so much navel gazing and fart smelling. Pointless arguments that entail splitting hairs and matters of semantics.

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  fakeemail
13 days ago

There’s the saying I heard from VD that engineering is science you can trust, because it has to work. I’d say philosophy is like science in that way, although I’m not sure what would be analogous to engineering.

CorkyAgain
CorkyAgain
Reply to  Paintersforms
13 days ago

My degree is in philosophy but my career was in electronics and software.

So I’ve lived in both worlds and can affirm that engineering is more satisfying insofar as it leads to results which undeniably work or they don’t.

Philosophy, on the other hand, never satisfies precisely because it never reaches any final conclusion. There’s always another “Yes, but …”

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  CorkyAgain
13 days ago

Yes, but when I hear the word “philosophy,” I reach for my pistol.

guisjnnhdi
guisjnnhdi
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
12 days ago

I reach for the word “primate” (sometimes, “hominid”) when I read one of them insulting what their species was never meant to grasp, let alone see the value of.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  CorkyAgain
13 days ago

True. In philosophy there is no progress. Plato died around 2300 years ago and yet his arguments have not been supplanted. Plato is every bit as valid right now as he was when he was alive.

CorkyAgain
CorkyAgain
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
13 days ago

One of my profs used to say that when philosophy does achieve some progress, it becomes a science. So what’s left are the unanswered or even unanswerable questions.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  CorkyAgain
12 days ago

Did he provide you with an example?

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

The rise of Empiricism, as a bulwark to hedge against the very worst excesses of raw naked pseudo-Deductivistic nonsense, was a signature triumph of Northern Europe [circa the 18th through 20th Centuries].

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

There is no progress in philosophy because the last Greek philosopher, St. Thomas Aquinas wrote the final book on the subject. We’ve been living with “But I don’t like the answer” since then.

Luther's Turd
Reply to  Wiffle
12 days ago

St. Thomas Aquinas was not a Greek philosopher.

Luther’s Turd

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Luther's Turd
12 days ago

He was an Aristotelian thinker. Obviously he was not an ethnic Greek.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  CorkyAgain
13 days ago

For a student of philosophy you’re giving it rather short shrift. The foundation of philosophy is doubt (in sharp contrast to religion) and it’s the most general kind of thinking available to us. When we approach some new area of phenomena and are completely clueless, we start with feeling and intuitions, doubts and conjectures, which gradually crystallize into a philosophical framework. If the framework is useful, it gives way gradually to science, which involves both more formal reasoning and more quantitative empiricism. And this serves as the foundation for technology. Philosophy in the sense of doubt, of swirling conjectures, of… Read more »

CorkyAgain
CorkyAgain
Reply to  Arshad Ali
12 days ago

I do value the way studying philosophy taught me critical thinking.

In my previous comment I was using the word “satisfying” in its literal sense: the end of desire. I.e., finality.

P.S.,
I am saddened to learn of ZMan’s passing and am somewhat selfishly wondering where we will go now for conversations like the ones I’ve enjoyed here on his blog. Like philosophy, those conversations never seem to reach any settled conclusions, yet I feel compelled to keep going regardless.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  CorkyAgain
12 days ago

Selfish or not, whatever we decide to do, we’d better hurry. This blog could disappear into the ether at any moment.

Is there anybody who would like to try his hand at blogging, Z-man-style, knowing full well that he could never fill Z’s shoes entirely?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

It occurs me that some future blog, in memory of Z-man, could be a team effort from a few or several of us. None of us could hope to match his output singly, but if concentrate our firepower we could still produce a blog worthy of Z-man’s name.

George O'Har
George O'Har
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

This is a wonderful idea. Z Man was sui generis. His depth and grasp were daunting. Big shoes to fill.

WillS
WillS
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

Just found out about Z man. I will miss the site and comments. Ostei has a good idea.

The comments section is exceptional. If there was a topic of the day to write a comment on and expand on we could have something worth reading and thinking about. It would be nice to keep the commentariate together; it is a gifted group of thinkers on here.

This is a sad day. RIP Chris. Gone too soon.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  CorkyAgain
13 days ago

Yeah, kind of funny that applied philosophy isn’t much of a thing. The abstract is what I love about science and philosophy, but they aren’t much good if they aren’t made practical. Maybe that’s why philosophy has waned.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  CorkyAgain
12 days ago

“Degree in philosophy”…you don’t have a degree, you have a piece of paper from an institution certifying you overthink things.

CorkyAgain
CorkyAgain
Reply to  Templar
12 days ago

True enough.

Reggie
Reggie
Reply to  fakeemail
12 days ago

Nothing is wrong with enjoying a good fart.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  3g4me
13 days ago

I’d say it depends upon how far one goes in Philosophy as a discipline. The introductory courses at the undergrad level are, in my opinion, useful—as they have roots in everyday life. For example, Logic. Fallacious concepts in reasoning, and therefore argument, surround us. A survey of the ancients wrt philosophy and reasoning also proved useful for me in later life. Indeed, such readings were not in those days restricted to the dept of Philosophy. Humanities required reading about the death of Socrates as written by Plato. I still to this day am inspired by Socrates behavior in his situation.… Read more »

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Compsci
13 days ago

I learnt a fair bit from philosophy myself. Around 500 BC, there was the birth of abstract reasoning with the pre-Socratics. Good, evil, the nature of reality, the ideal form of governance — all as abstract ideas. And as abstract ideas we need to discuss and define what they should mean. This is why, from a historical point of view at least, Plato’s dialogues are interesting. Other than the ancient Greek philosophers, I learnt a fair bit from Kant’s “Critique of Pure Reason,” which is analogous to an intensive gym workout. Among modern writers I’m smitten with Magee’s “Confessions of… Read more »

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ray
ray
Reply to  Arshad Ali
13 days ago

Meh. Ancient Greek philosophy was decent. Further down the road you go, the sillier the philosophies and philosophers. Lookin’ at you, Camus. My Philo 101 in college was a boring slog.

Go build a chicken coop or something. Jeez.

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Arshad Ali
13 days ago

You make my point. Thanks.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Compsci
13 days ago

What I know of Logic and the ancient philosophers I learned studying English literature – taught in high school by an older lady from West Virginia, and then in college by long-time professors, not the then new leftist ones who now rule over the ruins of academia.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  3g4me
13 days ago

Much of the modern stuff is garbage and shouldn’t be dignified by calling it “philosophy.” Also many people acknowledged as 20th century philosophers, whom I just don’t think are that great — Russell, Ayer, Rorty, any number of others. After the revolution of Kant, philosophy became problematic. Sorry, again adding as a postscript (I’m in the middle of cooking my next meal). Texts on logic and rhetoric will sharpen your thinking, allow you to distinguish more clearly between meretricious and sound arguments. Which reflects the ancient antagonism between teachers of philosophy and teachers of rhetoric. As far as I know,… Read more »

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Arshad Ali
13 days ago

That’s what I don’t get. Why do universities promote these old drunken barroom brawls as if they’re a skill set?

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Alzaebo
12 days ago

Oh, but it is a skill set. In the same way that sophists used to teach students who were contemplating a life in politics. Do you want to be a skilled demagogue? Or perhaps a good trial lawyer? Sophistry, rhetorical devices, philosophical arguments — these are all weapons to manipulate.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Arshad Ali
12 days ago

Excellent. And thus a nation founded by theologians ended up a nation of lawyers.

ray
ray
Reply to  3g4me
12 days ago

I had wonderful instruction in literature and analysis of fiction during the early eighties, at a budget state uni. in . . . waaait for it . . . California! :O) In both my professional and avocational lives their teaching provided endless benefits — not that many of their students, even in those years, took advantage of their expertise. Nearly all the faculty were white men, and nearly all passionate and sincere about their sub-field. Eager to be my guidance counselor. Ready to arrange a co-op ed internship. Now, doubtless, the place is a warzone for the Ebil Ebil Whiteman… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  ray
12 days ago

There was a zenith of higher ed, in between the GI Bill and the CRA/60s counterculture revolution, when it was everything everyone dreamed it could be.

ray
ray
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
12 days ago

Yeah, a sweet zone. As good as it got anywhere, anytime, possibly.

Back in the late forties, my dad could still go to Berkeley and get a first-rate, rigorous education from no-nonsense teachers.

Then came the Civil Rights psy op. Filling the late Greatest and early Booms up with the inevitability, with the rad righteousness, of themselves. Gonna save the world we wuz! We were easy veal, baby.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ray
12 days ago

Lesbian activists had been remonstrating for women to get their own GI bill style participation since the 50s, sad to say.
I’d rather simp for them, but sometimes, you just can’t.

Last edited 12 days ago by Alzaebo
ray
ray
Reply to  Alzaebo
12 days ago

Put the daughters of the nation on the front combat lines in the next war. That will end feminism and Ekwallitee very, very quickly.

But America doesn’t have the stones for that. It’d rather be a hypocrite and a cuck.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  3g4me
12 days ago

Any truth to the following?

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To the best of my knowledge, today is not April 1st.


Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  NoName
12 days ago

Is that Ramzpaul’s real account? For once I really hope not

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  NoName
12 days ago

Good heavens, let this be a hoax. It’s strange that he hasn’t posted his customary Friday blurb.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  3g4me
12 days ago

Well I certainly hope that “RAMZPAUL” thing was just an hoax.

CFOmally
CFOmally
11 days ago

I thought I’d share with everyone an email he sent me a few months ago. I asked him how the heck he cranks out so much material and holds down a career, his answer:  “Whenever anyone asks about writing, my first bit of advice is something I read in a biography of William Falkner. He wrote two novels in the style of the lost generation that was popular at the time, but they did not sell. An editor suggested he write about things he knows and cares about. The result was The Sound and the Fury. He spent the rest… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  CFOmally
10 days ago

Thank you.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  CFOmally
10 days ago

If I recall, Z-man offered a strategy for his daily writing some years ago. Limit your essay to 6 paragraphs or perhaps less, each paragraph to 4 or 5 lines concerning a single aspect of the topic to be expressed. I may be off in the exact numbers, but you get the picture. Often, when folk chided him for this or that which he “overlooked” he harked back to the formula he used and the difficulty of keeping the topic succinct. In his later years, he expanded upon these numbers—especially the number of paragraphs per essay—but with the accelerating deterioration… Read more »

Last edited 10 days ago by Compsci
Epaminondas
Member
12 days ago

I was one of Christopher’s first subscribers and he was part of my daily reading and listening habits. I read all his blogs aloud to my wife. It really is a shame because he was starting get some real traction, especially with Paul Ramsey. You made a huge, positive impact on the lives of all of us who followed you. God be with you, Chris.

Zfan
Zfan
12 days ago

God bless you, ZMan. Rest in peace, brother.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Zfan
12 days ago

I feel like my favorite bar got closed down.

Zfan
Zfan
Reply to  Alzaebo
12 days ago

That is an apt way to put it. I’ll miss you regulars, too– even the ones that push back a little rough. He sure didn’t run a lady’s tea party.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Zfan
8 days ago

The inclusion of “the downvote” is an important filtering mechanism.

Loved that he included it.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Alzaebo
8 days ago

Well put.
And worse, my favorite bar did recently close down 🙁

Hun
Hun
7 days ago

I keep coming back here every day out of habit…

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Ajclement
Ajclement
Reply to  Hun
7 days ago

Take a listen to the zblog power hour episode 1 starting at 28:24. “The cemeteries are full of indispensable men…..”

Stephanie
Stephanie
Reply to  Ajclement
6 days ago

Has anyone downloaded all the podcasts somewhere in case that page/link disappears?

Vince
Vince
Reply to  Hun
6 days ago

Zman’s blog is my home page. Haven’t had the heart to change it.

NoIdentifyingMarks
NoIdentifyingMarks
Reply to  Hun
6 days ago

Me too

Filthie
Filthie
Member
12 days ago

I tried to start this poost a dozen times. Gawddammitalltohell. Like many of you I come by every day.The bums in the comments are as good as our Esteemed Blog Host. Serious men, serious commentary on serious issues. The zingers back and forth were worth the trip alone. A lot of times I pooped in the comments but I also just sat back and let the faster, smarter kids talk. The best tribute I can leave for you, Z, is this: you changed my mind. I’m a retired stubfart, who doesn’t matter, a former economic asset… now a distinct liability… Read more »

Mr. Invisible
Mr. Invisible
12 days ago

Z Man would’ve been a force in his 60s in the DR. He had a comprehensive view of mainstream and dissident right-wing politics, and the ability to articulate it in speech and the written word that was unique. His importance would have grown as the years passed, because few could speak with the depth of knowledge of where we have been — and where we should go — as he did. It’s incredibly sad. Just yesterday I was listening to the interview that he did with Ramzpaul and the anonymous fellow with the expertise on Iran. ZMan at one point… Read more »

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  Mr. Invisible
10 days ago

The other day I realized that the youngest boomer is like 60. I groaned that they will be ruling us for another 15 years +, and now we lose Mr man….

Tom Colbert
Tom Colbert
12 days ago

Tomorrow Zman I will go on x looking for your daily essay, and it won’t be there.
thanks for not putting me in the Mute Motel all these years.

chuck
chuck
10 days ago

I suspect this message may not post, as I have never participated in this forum, but I’m giving it a shot. I’ve been a reader and listener of the Zman for several years. He has been an incredible teacher to me with a profound breadth and depth of knowledge that is rarely seen. It would take me a lifetime of dedication to even attempt to replicate it. Perhaps other efforts are underway to preserve the legacy of his work, but without confirmation of such I fear the loss of this website may mean the permanent loss of the bulk of… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  chuck
10 days ago

I think your efforts would be v appropriate.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  chuck
10 days ago

Chuck, please do this. There may not be another opportunity.

ray
ray
12 days ago

I have spoken to the King in case the rumor of Z’s death is true. I have no fears for his soul. However, I do have many doubts if his death is confirmed. He was posting and podcasting regularly, and then suddenly, adios . . . from ‘natural causes’. He made no reports of illness or impending death, so for me this is a hmmm. Yes ‘natural causes’ do happen sometimes, but I am VERY suspicious as Z was a leader of men in what is a real war with the forces of progressivism, feminism, and related satanic movements. There… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  ray
12 days ago

He often spoke of how one’s longevity is mostly tied to genetics and that all the working out and proper dietary practices could only do so much. And on that note he talked of coming from a family where people lived long lives.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having suspicions about this event. In some ways it reminds me of the very sudden passing of Andrew Breitbart, which was another death that just didn’t sit right.

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  KGB
12 days ago

Thanks for confirming what I’d *thought* I’d heard and read him say on more than occasion, but could not be sure because, truth be told, I’ve never been an avid reader of his posts, nor an avid listener to his podcasts. Which are all great, don’t get me wrong. When Zippy suddenly and unexpectedly died a few years ago, it hit me like “a ton of bricks,” but I had developed a (online) friendship with Zippy that never materialized between me and Z-Man. Similar with Lawrence Auster, but we all knew Auster was sick and on his “death bed.” Anyway,… Read more »

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  T. Morris
10 days ago

Zippy: hit and run wasn’t it?!?!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ray
12 days ago

Don’t be shuffling off too soon, amigo.

ray
ray
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

I will take it under advisement. Cheers.

Wackadoo (Scott)
Wackadoo (Scott)
11 days ago

I have never been sadder at the passing of somebody I had never met. Like most of us, I only saw his face recently after he came out of the shadows. I commented here infrequently but read his post everyday. He was my morning coffee mate. There was no other site on the internet that I read the post and even the comments everyday. This is a great community and I love the idea of keeping it going in another form (The Z Hive?). Or compiling a collection of his essays for publication. Feeling like I lost a friend today.… Read more »

Auld Mark
Auld Mark
12 days ago

It’s noon on the 27th, and for 12 hours I’ve been searching for confirmation of Zmans death. It appears to be true though not yet certain. No group will miss him more than we do,so I would like to suggest an idea.This is a collection of interesting and thoughtful minds brought together in this forum started by Zman, and it would be a shame to see it dissolve. There are those among us with the talent and knowledge to create a new venue to keep this group together and I hope someone can pick up the baton that has fallen.… Read more »

Lakelander
Lakelander
Reply to  Auld Mark
12 days ago

Good idea. How about we call it The Z-Axis in honor of Z Man and our dissident/3rd position politics?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Auld Mark
12 days ago

I wholeheartedly agree. But we need to formulate a plan quickly and then act upon it. Even if it’s just a stopgap measure until we can come up with something more permanent. This site could vanish at any time.

Incidentally, if RamZPaul or Derb is reading this, guidance would be appreciated. We must all hang together.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

I am not a tech-savvy guy by any means, but I might do that Substack thingy just to provide all of us with a temporary landing place until we can formulate solid, long-term plans. But there’s no sense in me doing it if nobody is going to show up. If you’re in favor of me doing this let me know with a post or, at minimum, an upvote.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

I’m very much in favor of that Ostei. I’m not tech-savvy either, but this isn’t the time for this group to drift away. We need to have a place to congregate.

Ronald
Ronald
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

Yes please. I would help if I could.
Maybe we would do guest posts like Severian.
I would really miss you all if not.
I’ll Send funds

Winter
Winter
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

I’ll show up. And donate. Ostei Kozelskii, for what it’s worth, I always really enjoy your comments. Your insight, your humor. You’d make a hell of a writer to help pick up the mantle. We all know that our beloved Zman can never be replaced, but it would be a shame for all of this to simply go away.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Winter
11 days ago

You’re far too kind, Winter. If I do this–and I’ll begin investigating the details very soon–understand that my production would be quite a bit smaller than Zman’s. I’m working a full time job, and also a part time job that is actually a writing gig, so my free time is limited. Nevertheless, I could crank out the occasional piece and do some administration. And, of course, contributions from Tradissidents such as yourself would be not merely welcome but necessary. Most important of all, however, the place would serve as our personnal bar and grill where we could rant and rave,… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

I’ll be watching for it, Ostei.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
11 days ago

Proud to hear it, SAGEB.

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

I have tried to post a couple of comments expressing my sadness at Z’s passing, but they didn’t make it. So I’ll try again. I was not here as often as I would have liked due to my work schedule, but knowing he was holding down the intellectual fort with you and other commenters was reassuring, given the vast wasteland that is current comment sections. This reminds me of that day a little over 7 years ago when you and I and others on here were banished by Mandolyna. The difference this time is that not only do I mourn… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
10 days ago

Only seven years, huh? Somehow it seems longer than that…

ray
ray
Reply to  Winter
11 days ago

Suits me fine.

Wallenstein
Wallenstein
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

You may also want to consider setting something up on Gab. Zman was a long-timer user and a supporter. He always said that Andrew Torba was fighting the good fight when it came to free speech. Gab is a refuge for many in the dissident community. Seems like the appropriate place to memorialize Zman..

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wallenstein
11 days ago

Thanks, Wallenstein. Truthfully, I’m not much clued into the Tradissident world outside of this now defunct blog, and I know little about the various hosting apparatuses out there.

What about WordPress itself? If it was good enough for Zman…

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

WordPress will shut it down in no time flat. Rumor is Substack is starting to cave, but it’s still pretty good. You can find more inflammatory stuff on there than this site.

oldcoyote
oldcoyote
Reply to  Wallenstein
11 days ago

Gab is full-on glowie bot trolls these days.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

Please do Ostei! A great idea

Auld Mark
Auld Mark
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

Whatever stopgap can keep this group alive, I’ll vote for and work for.if this one post dissappears,there’s no garentee we’ll be able to put Humpty back together again.

My Comment
My Comment
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

Agree that Substack would be the easiest way to get a transition point for us. Lot of great interchanges here and it would be a shame to lose them.

I wish I knew how to transition his whole site over to Substack so it could live in memory of him. There is also a way to archive it but don’t know his to do that either.

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
Reply to  My Comment
10 days ago

The body of his work MUST be preserved. It must be made available to this movement for review, guidance and study, to assist us in our difficult task, and to help develop future generations of this movement. I believe he has over the years set out the critical points needed if our people are to successfully preserve Western / American civilization. His intellect, character and insight have been remarkable. I think it advisable for a formal (or informal) group to be put together to determine urgent initial steps (contacting NoK / heirs / estate, assisting with conservation of his project… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

I am in favor and if it is you running the show, I would participate.

I have v little money but would contribute to costs, not a problem.

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Randy Randian
Randy Randian
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

I think this would be an excellent idea.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
11 days ago

RIP Zman!

You were a prodigious, talented thinker and writer as well as a very patient and thoughtful host. Well, except for that time I was being drunk and annoying on Gab and you blocked me, even though I deserved it.

I suppose this is also farewell to what has been the best comment section on the Internet for several years running. I hope I see and interact with many of you folks on other quality dissident sites.

Last edited 11 days ago by The Wild Geese Howard
Barney Rubble
Barney Rubble
12 days ago

Typing this Friday morning. Last night RAMZPAUL Tweeted that Z-Man had passed away from natural causes. I’d hoped it was a misunderstanding, but others in his orbit weighed in with confirmation. Terrible news. RIP to my favorite pundit and podcaster. This leave a huge void.

MiguelinID
MiguelinID
11 days ago

What a profound and devastating loss. I’d love nothing more than a handsome hardcover of ZMan’s work gracing my bookshelf, but sadly, it was never written. As many of us inevitably drift apart, I’m tossing around an idea. What if a few of us gathered his finest essays and compiled them into a beautiful book? All proceeds could support a cause we all care about. Just throwing it out there. Thoughts?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  MiguelinID
11 days ago

Capital idea. But just know that there could be copyright issues. And, of course, no mainstream trade or academic publisher would touch Z’s work. Maybe Countercurrents? Or possibly a vanity press.

MiguelinID
MiguelinID
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

Antelope and Passage Press come to mind, I shall ask them. Self-publishing is always an option as well. I will share any updates as a new comment on this blog post.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

Ron Unz might be interested.
He might also be a place for a successor site to live.
He’s very approachable

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Bilejones
10 days ago

To quote Joe Walsh, “I’ve never been there; they tell me it’s nice.”

Guess I’d better check it out.

GCM
GCM
Reply to  Bilejones
8 days ago

After the falling out between him and Steve Sailer, he might be interested. Contact Ron Unz.

GCM
GCM
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
9 days ago

Contact Vox Day at Castalia House.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  GCM
9 days ago

What do you mean by “contact”?

GCM
GCM
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

Contact, as in text him, call him, write to him. Whatever you need to do to find out if he would be willing to help preserve/publish. Or at least give you ideas. You will find out quickly if Vox Day is with you or against you.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  GCM
8 days ago

Vox Day used to link to Zman occasionally. I think that’s how I discovered Zman, if I remember correctly.

Doug
Doug
Reply to  Wolf Barney
8 days ago

They had a feud after a while. I wouldn’t bother talking to Vox about this.

ray
ray
Reply to  GCM
7 days ago

Do not contact Vox Day, or any of his fanboys.

iForgotmyPen
iForgotmyPen
Reply to  MiguelinID
10 days ago

I’m in for it. Although I think it’s not going to be easy to pick which essays to include. He wrote nearly every week day for the last 12 years. Maybe organized by categories.

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
12 days ago

I loved that Chris was a proud cat owner. Cats get an undeserved bad rap as being the purview of older single liberal women. I’m a crazy cat man and my cats are an important part of my emotional well-being in these crazy times.

Neon_Bluebeard
Neon_Bluebeard
Reply to  Brandon Laskow
12 days ago

Same here. I know he had a couple of sorta exotic ones. Caracals I believe… hopefully he had some family that can take care of them now.

This days news has me quite depressed. As someone mentioned below… if any one finds out more details about the death, as well as anything like an obit or a place to send flowers please post it here.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Neon_Bluebeard
12 days ago

If we all knew where the memorial service was, they’d need one helluva big venue.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

Yea they would Brother…Maybe someone close will put one together…

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

I wonder if it would be possible to live stream the service? I’m not sure whether that would be appropriate, but I’m not up on modern etiquette with these things. My first instinct is that it would be disrespectful, but perhaps I’m just old fashioned. I’m not sure my instincts are correct. He had admirers all over the world, surely they’d want some way to pay their respects. Have any other details surfaced? I’ve been googling “death notices this week Morgan County, WV” and “death notices this week Berkeley Springs, WV”, but it doesn’t look like anything has been published yet.… Read more »

friends of zman
friends of zman
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 days ago

it may be possible, although I am not sure the Catholics are too big on filming funerals. but we are working on having a remembrance ceremony nearby

please follow https://x.com/FriendsOfZman run by his Boston friends, for information about a service, and some pics. we are trying to make it happen on or around July 10 in Berkeley Springs WV

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Brandon Laskow
12 days ago

The same. The wife and I have a passel. To quote Ellis in No Country for Old Men, “Some of ’em are half wild and some are just outlaws.” Regardless, they’re wonderful and beautiful animals and they each have distinctive personalities.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  Brandon Laskow
11 days ago

Agreed.

The fact of the matter is that without cats, liberal women would be so crazy we’d have to put them down.

Cats are good for the sole.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Filthie
11 days ago

They also love to eat sole…

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Filthie
11 days ago

Yep. Big LOL! I love you man!

My Comment
My Comment
12 days ago

If true, what a loss

BigDaddyAmin
Member
12 days ago

RAMZPAUL just posted on X that Z-Man was found dead last night. Does anyone know anything?

David Wright
David Wright
Reply to  BigDaddyAmin
12 days ago

This better be a sick joke. If so, why?

David Wright
David Wright
Reply to  David Wright
12 days ago

So no joke, now i’m sick. This hits hard.

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  BigDaddyAmin
12 days ago

I’m not believing it just yet. He made a post on gab today. That wouldn’t be possible if he died last night.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  The Greek
12 days ago

I hope you’re right.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  BigDaddyAmin
12 days ago

My God. I just read that on X. I cant believe it. I never met Z Man personally, but I feel like I know him from reading all his posts and listening to his podcasts.

RIP. Z.

RVIDXR
RVIDXR
Reply to  BigDaddyAmin
12 days ago

I don’t want to believe it, I hope thats not true.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  RVIDXR
12 days ago

None of us do…

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  BigDaddyAmin
12 days ago

I hope they do an autopsy. I have no idea what the state of his health was, but they whacked Seth Rich so nothing is off the table. He was a danger to our overlords.

Somebody maybe should call the Sheriff and try to convince him that this is worth a closer look.

I’m not saying anything happened, I’m just saying that it should be looked at.

ray
ray
Reply to  TempoNick
12 days ago

I am saying that too, if this news is true.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
12 days ago

You’re dam’ right about that. We’ve always joked about this possibility–not just for Z, but for all of us–but it was gallows humor acknowledging that the danger was presumably real.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

The root of all humor is truth. He was a pied piper and he assembled a following that had to shake the powers that be to the core. Not to mention that it’s an easy drive from DC. It’s not completely out of the question that somebody decided to nip a potential problem in the bud. (Seems like it would be pretty easy to do something to his well water.)

Marko
Marko
Reply to  BigDaddyAmin
12 days ago

He cited Christopher Hitchens on his last post, who also died around 60. I read Hitch just as eagerly as I read ZMan. What an awful loss. May his memory grow in size at his untimely passing. I hope he is remembered like Hitchens and Mencken.

ray
ray
Reply to  Marko
12 days ago

His last post was ‘The End of Free Will’. In respect to this world, I guess it was for him.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
13 days ago

A conversation you won’t see on Black Twitter

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
13 days ago

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NoName
NoName
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
13 days ago

Jeffrey Zoar: A conversation you won’t see on Black Twitter

Gateway Pundit has a very ugly article about what “They” have been doing to Caitlin Clark.

Did the WNBA Finally Kill Its Golden Goose? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/did-wnba-finally-kill-their-golden-goose-after/

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  NoName
12 days ago

Late to this thread, but I said that Caitlin Clark should skip the WNBA and play in Europe after she left Iowa. The pay in the WNBA is better but she’s paying way too high a price.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
13 days ago

😂😂😂👍

Stop. Just stop – it’s too early in the day for laughing cramps…

mikebravo
mikebravo
12 days ago

Oh no. My last daily flight from Londonistan to the best comment section on tinternet!

I am going to miss you all.

R.I.P Z.

Yle Watch blog Finland
Yle Watch blog Finland
10 days ago

Although Z Man’s blog primarily focused on American culture, politics, and problems, it was also widely read by dissidents from the Old Continent, like myself. Unlike Europe’s far-right intellectuals, Z Man was not a philosophical rambler — he had the ability to condense and clarify even complex issues. In Finland, some of his writings were translated on the alt-right website Sarastus, but unfortunately, the translations ceased with the outbreak of the war in Ukraine. My homeland is a one-truth country, even among dissidents. As a result, I and my blog became dissidents among the “dissidents.” I regularly shared Z Man’s ideas… Read more »

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  Yle Watch blog Finland
10 days ago

Good to know that the cool heads haven’t gone extinct in Finland yet.

David Wright
David Wright
12 days ago

I suppose this is goodbye to you all as well as Z. I hope to see you on some other internet corner where we can continue to mix it up.
if Pat Buchanan departs it will only hurt that much more.

Vince
Vince
12 days ago

Dreadful news. God keep you Zman, R.I.P.

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
10 days ago

is there a place where we can all meet up online? I’m going to miss 3g4me’s acerbic rants

Mycale
Mycale
11 days ago

What the hell. This is terrible. I love this blog and the commentary from Z and everyone here. I will miss you all. I think that we were all on the cusp of something great and a higher level of right wing thought thanks in part to Z. Taken from us far too soon.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mycale
8 days ago

Mycale, I’d appreciate it if you’d contact me at sixtuscoyle @ proton.me

Lakelander
Lakelander
12 days ago

I first learned about ZMan when he was on a Myth of the 20th Century podcast in 2018. He was always brilliant and thought-provoking in addition to being one of the wittiest writers on this scene. What a legend! I’ve been heartened to see the huge outpouring of support here and on twitter. God bless you ZMan and thanks for everything you’ve done for the dissident community. RIP

M Jones
M Jones
Reply to  Lakelander
12 days ago

Hi Lakelander, is that of the central fla variety? would be nice to chat with a fellow if so.

William M Briggs
12 days ago

We are all hoping the news is not true.

Tom K
Tom K
11 days ago

I’ve been trying to compose myself this morning. Z-man gave his everything. His energy level and his output were truly astonishing. How many lives he touched are incalculable. He cannot be replaced but we must carry on this fight. Rest in peace Chris.

Yak-15
Yak-15
12 days ago

I would read 1,000 zirl science papers if it brought back zman.

You taught a lot of us well. You will be missed. I hope we can access your archives.

May God have mercy on your soul.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Yak-15
12 days ago

I am confident God has taken Z-man to his bosom…

ray
ray
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

So am I.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
12 days ago

What a loss. Thank you to the intelligent commenters who populated this place. Most of all, thank you to our gracious host, Z Man. May his memory be eternal.