Lessons From The Bear

For the last few years, the American ruling class has been obsessed with Russia. The Bear Scare in DC over Trump’s alleged ties to Putin is just one ridiculous element to the obsession.  At some level, even the dullards in the media know it is nonsense, but the Cloud People are convinced that the public shares their hatred of the Russians. China and Israel are much more involved in our elections, but they are not suitable bogeymen, in the minds of our betters. To them, the Russians are the scariest of scary monsters.

The Russia-Trump story is just a sideshow, of course. The neocon insistence that we start World War 3 over Ukraine is much more representative of the ruling elite’s hatred for the Russians. Steve Sailer has done yeoman’s work documenting the neocon warmonger’s efforts to stoke the fires of Russophobia. It’s not just the neocons. The Left has gone down a similar path, accusing Putin of being the new Hitler and claiming he has plans to invade Europe. The public face of the ruling elite is sure that Putin is very bad.

Of course, this enmity toward Putin has had the strange effect of endearing him to many nationalists in America, especially the younger ones. Their minds are not tainted by memories of the Cold War and the Soviet Union. Putin just looks like a strong leader, who embodies many of the qualities the alt-right types admire. Then you have old paleocons like Pat Buchanan defending Putin, mostly because of old scars from warring with the neocons in the olden thymes. This just encourages the neocons to hate Putin even more.

Guys like Steve Sailer try to pin the cause of this irrational hatred for Putin and the Russians on ancient ethnic grudges. It is true that all of the high profile Putin haters fit a certain ethnic profile. They also look a lot like the crew that tumbles out of the anti-Trump clown car whenever is screeches to a halt. It is not unfair to accuse these folks of being haunted by the hoof beats of Tzar Alexander’s men. The neocons were, after all, the ideological force behind the Right’s Cold War strategy for a reason.

That makes for a fun narrative and good way to taunt some of the more unhinged types like Bill Kristol and Max Boot, but it does not explain why the political class is uniformly anti-Russian. John McCain is nuts, but he is not looking under his bed for Cossacks at night. The same goes for most of the permanent war party in Washington. They would much prefer to be killing Muslims, but they have found it necessary to spend a lot of time going on about the threat of Putin and the Russian menace.

Another possibility is a much less mystical one. Instead of epigenetic fear of a pogrom, perhaps the source of this great fear is much higher, in the billionaire class that rules the nation through the political parties. After the fall of the Soviet Empire, Western bankers rushed in to loot Russia and her former client states. Eventually, the locals rallied and a class of oligarchs rose up to seize control the assets and build their own power bases outside the state. Then Putin came along and broke the backs of the oligarchs.

If you are a Sergey Brin, for example, the one thing that keeps you up at night is the thought of the state reasserting its authority over the oligarchs. Not that Trump is going to throw Mark Zuckerberg into prison or have Tim Cook sent to Siberia. The possibility of a modern Teddy Roosevelt, riding a populist message, promising to bring the billionaires to heel, is a realistic threat. Incentivizing the political class to demonize such talk is one way to hedge against that possibility. In that regard, Russian makes for a useful enemy.

It also makes Putin, and to a lesser degree the Visegrad Group, dangerous example. It’s not just their nationalism that bugs our oligarchs. Its that these countries cling to the outdated notion of state power being supreme. Our oligarchs, as we see with Big Tech’s efforts to subvert free speech, think the idea of the state is outdated. Instead, the new managerial state is supranational and subordinate to the people who finance it. The managerial state is to serve the oligarchs, not the people over whom it rules.

It’s probably why the political class made such a huge deal out of Putin cracking down on homosexual agitators and feminist nutters. They were looking for a way to undermine his moral authority. In a better age, politicians would accuse enemies of preferring the company of men. In this degraded age, politicians accuse their enemies of being sexually normal. Regardless, the point is to make the bad guys appear villainous and outside the bounds of human decency. Our politicians are the model our rulers prefer.

The least talked about aspect to all of this is that the West, particularly America, is probable less internally stable than Russian and the Visegrad Group. You don’t hear about widespread protests or dissident movements in Russia. The people of the Visegrad are pretty happy with their nationalistic politicians. They like having a patriotic ruling class. It is the West where we see the increasing use of coercion and top-down subversion, in the form of immigration, in order to keep the plates spinning.

The trouble for our oligarchs is that people will be loyal to a man or a cause. They will not be loyal to a committee. That’s why there are no monuments to committees. There are plenty of statues of great men and shrines to the gods. That’s the lesson the old eastern bloc countries learned. They were ruled by committees for a long time. To maintain order, it required men with guns and willingness to use them. The people of the East learned that a man on horse is a better choice than ten men behind desks.

That’s a lesson we’re about to learn in the West.

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Andrew
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Most people in the west tend to forget the veneer of civilization in quite thin. There have been recent examples, Katrina and New Orleans, being a good lesson in the breakdown of order. When the conflagration comes as our host quite eloquently points out it will not end well. It seems those in the cloud are just trying to position themselves to survive what will come.

Saml Adams
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Saw a bit of that after Sandy. Thankfully not too much. Nothing that lighting up the guys in the pickup truck (out looking for generators to steal) with 1500 lumens and allowing them to see a slung shotgun didn’t solve. But one thing was painfully clear, the vast majority of Progs (who are the majority here) were utterly unequipped to cope with even a simple extended power outage.

Eclectic Esoteric
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These people would call 911 for caffeine withdrawal if their local Starbucks ran out of coffee.

Saml Adams
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In all seriousness, since Sandy came at the end of a long volunteer fire career, there was one priceless moment, while responding the umpteenth tree down call, where I was treated to a wealthy 30 something suburban housewife screaming into her cell phone at ConEd (on the speakerphone setting)– “I don’t care what your priorities are, I’m demanding that you restore power to my house now!”. Over and over. Well as C-F’d as ConEd was, those priorities were places like hospitals, nursing homes, elderly housing, commercial districts with grocery stores, gas stations etc. That’s kind of what you are dealing… Read more »
Eclectic Esoteric
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We had a cat one some years ago. This is a wooded area, and when the wind brings down the trees, it sounds like gunfire. The snowflakes were calling 911 and talk radio stations to report gun shots in the thick of the hurricane. (Those were some tough thugs!)

Calsdad
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The key term in your comment is “suburban housewife”. As much of the alt-right and the MGTOW community would attest : there is a definite “female” problem in regards to making sane and logical decisions, and acceding to reality. In December of 2008 we had a big ice storm up here in New England. Lines were down everywhere, some places didn’t get power back for a couple of weeks. The power outages in my town were pretty much universal at first – and within a few days spots had power back. I didn’t get power back at my house for… Read more »
Dutch
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Love it! Here’s what you do, get the generator, do what you need to do. Man up. She will end up bragging about you to her friends, and will look at you with a new set of eyes. Don’t discuss things, just do them and give her the choice of staying put or going on the car ride to Maine. How do I know? Went through the 2003 fires here in Southern California (through them, literally driving out through a firestorm). No time to discuss, just to do what needed to be done. Worked out just fine, now when things… Read more »
Wilbur Hassenfus
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Truth. Tell her to just relax and let you deal with it. Be calm and decisive. She wants to know somebody competent is in charge, and nothing scares her more than the prospect of a basket case like her having any authority during a crisis.

Some of them are too far gone to handle that, and then you’ve got real problems that require an attorney.

Calsdad
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Sometimes that is easy – sometimes that is a bit harder. I’ve often just done things without “consultation” and dealt with the consequences later. The gun cabinet, my shop, and the driveway all are full of those decisions. This particular one was something I felt we both needed to be involved in – because she might have to operate the thing on her own – and , most importantly – she needed to understand why we needed one. So a lesson needed to be taught.

Zeroh Tollrants
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As a woman, I’d make a terrible husband. I would have told her to shut up, she was being stupid & I was going to handle the issue & if she didn’t like it, I’d let her freeze to death, lol.
This must be why lesbians fight do much. Women have zero patience.

Old Codger
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If you truly believe that line of BS (“…she will look at you with a new set of eyes.”) I’ve got this little bridge in Brooklyn, I can get for you…real cheap!

Notsothoreau
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Hmm, my husband and I lived off grid for sometime. We did have a house in town for a few years. When we sold it, we boight a generator before we moved onto the country. Too many women are just ornamental and have no real skills.

Eclectic Esoteric
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You might want to get some sub-zero sleeping bags for heatless indoor occasions. The cats will love them, by the way.

Calsdad
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With a 2000W generator my house is fully functional – a side benefit I guess of being “on the grid”. Town water relies on pressure – I don’t have to run a pump. Forced hot water heating doesn’t take much wattage to run a circulating pump. Natural gas from the street requires no electricity on my end to still function. So the only reason I need electricity is to keep the heating water pump running – some lights and the refrigerator. All that is taken care of with maybe 1200W or so. With no electricity – I still have fully… Read more »
Zeroh Tollrants
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You’re out of date. In the past this was a woman issue, (#NotAll), but the advent of the numale of today has changed all of that. You’ve obviously missed the montage videos of guys calling 911, because they were afraid of their cats, for one example. Today, being male does not preclude you from being useless or helpless. Equality!

Old Codger
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They’re women , damn it!

They have NO BRAINS! All they work with is emotion and their own personal dramas! Its all about THEM! Solipsistic to the end, they will blame you if things don’t go their own immediate way!

When the “next best thing” politically, finally breaks out, I surmise the first thing to go, will be suffrage for all those vaginas that now have the vote!!

Notsothoreau
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I get folks like that at work, demanding we fix their internet because they need to do online banking.

Member
In 2011 there was flooding on the upper Missouri River due to record snow melt in the Rockies. The Corps of Engineers opened flood gates on the dam systems to manage the increased flow. Those who had built I what was historically the seasonal floodplain now found their properties threatened. Much of the riverfront properties are million dollar McMansion type houses. In Bismarck, North Dakota, the city set up sand bag filling sites where anyone could collect filled sand bags to protect their property. Particularly telling was a front page photo of a middle aged couple, dressed in exercise clothing,… Read more »
PRCD
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Everyone should probably own boots, work gloves, Carhartt trousers and shirts and a Mossy Oak or Stihl hat – even if you’re unaccustomed/useless for manual labor. At the very least, it signals to tradesmen that you’re one of them or respect them. Tradesmen are more likely to prioritize fixing your suburban crisis if they like you. Also, deadlift so you have broader shoulders that make you look like you’ll help them carry lumber or other supplies.

Brianguy
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@PRCD
LOL. Like Michael Keaton in Mr. Mom.
“Yeah….220….or 221, whatever it takes.”

Zeroh Tollrants
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I always tell people who believe that we have “evolved” past our animal nature, to gather up the faculty from an Ivy league university & lock them in a room together for 48 hrs w/only one candy bar. Post “experiment,” we can talk.

Eclectic Esoteric
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Would much prefer one Xanax be substituted for the candy bar.

Alzaebo
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So we’ve gone from fortresses to cattle pens then. The Cloud operates above and beyond borders.

Multinational conglomerates vs nation states. That really is a New World Order.
Rollerball!

Joey Junger
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There’s a reason Putin always has a slightly bemused look on his face whenever he has to deal with a Western leader. For progressives and neoconservatives, time is a line in which the farther forward you go, the better and more moral everyone and everything is. For them the past is evil and needs to be erased, or at least denigrated. But Russia is metaphysically more Eastern (perhaps due to the Asian influence both through conquest by the Golden Khanate and just geography) and time for them is circular, and the past is a present you live in (which is… Read more »
Craig Nelsen
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The most intriguing aspect of the Trump presidency so far was when he and Putin had an unscheduled meeting for an hour and a half with no one but Putin’s translator present.

I disagree with the cyclical theory. I believe Russia is just further along the path than we are. Exactly one hundred years further.

Sergey
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I believe the reason why Leftists hate modern Russia is that Russia is one of the very few countries in the World that took the Leftist path to its very end, and now is the log in the eye of every Leftist. Like Solzhenitsyn’s books, that totally destroyed left-leaning public intellectuals, and put a solid argument for the Right to oppose Left with, the mere existence of modern Russia is a live evidence of how destructive socialism can be, and that it always ends up with the restoration of what had been destroyed. This is a thing that most Westerners… Read more »
Severian
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Agreed. The USSR proved beyond a shadow of a doubt what the Left HAS to deny: There’s such a thing as human nature. You can severely deform the human personality, but there are hard limits — there really is such a thing as the New Soviet Man, but he’s nothing like what they thought he would be, because human nature doesn’t work like that. Theodore Dalrymple said a Romanian dissident told him the Romanian psyche would take five generations to recover from Communism. It’ll probably take at least that long to get the SJW virus into remission… and I doubt… Read more »
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I don’t believe that Russia is condemned to be the “eternal martyr of white civilization”; the next “martyr” could well be the USA given the way things are going. Europe chose to be a suicide rather than a martyr, but unless and until the back of the fraudulent financial system is broken, Russia and her evolving financial system could prove to be the straw that breaks the camel’s back of the system set up by the emigres from what is now southern Ukraine.

Sergey
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By “martyr” I meant someone who goes against the grain of a shared narrative of the superseding group, not purely a sufferer. On the other hand, it diversifies The West a bid, like back 300 hundred years ago, when we had a Republican alternative of the New World in opposition to Old World’s monarchies. The US, the EU, and that semi-separate bit of it, the UK, are all in terrible shape. I watch the news from America with awe – surely there is a certain amount of journalist-induced panic, but even with that in mind, what you guys have there… Read more »
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Got it, thanks. I don’t watch news and don’t live in the USA or Europe, though I’m a citizen of both. My fears for and growing discomfort in both were strong enough to induce me to leave the former 20 years ago and the latter 13 years ago. ‘m beginning to see Russia as the only possibly effective counterweight to a financially-ruled oligarchy that has bamboozled the West and now threatens its destruction.

Craig Nelsen
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And therein lies the real reason the neocons are constantly pushing for war between the US and Russia: The two most powerful white nations (or formerly white) must not be allowed to ally themselves.

Andy Texan
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The Russia led by Tsar Putin is a Christian nationalist nation-state in a world that our ‘betters’ are busily transforming. Putin stands in their way. Not only is the NWO a real plan, the long term goal is mixing of the races to eliminate any distinctions

PRCD
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“The Most Holy and Christian Tsar” Putin has, in fact, ripped-off billions of dollars from his people and the economic situation in his country is worsening with worsening life expectancy. He is trying to assert control over non-state Christian churches and the Orthodox church.

He’s a useful foil to the globalists and Western idiots, but that’s about it.

Andy Texan
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So how is that different from any of the other Tsars and leaders? How is that different from our leaders? Or European leaders?

PRCD
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Unlike Western leaders, Putin is not a homosexualist nor a trangenderist and, despite being a philanderer, affirms traditional sex roles and marriage. He is not beholden to large multinational corporations. He has not started pointless wars throughout the world and tried to stop some of ours (Syria). He is not welcoming hordes of Muslims into his land (many come nonetheless – they have a huge problem with Muslims in Russia). The right to keep and bear arms seems to be improving in Putin’s Russia. Off the top of my head, those are the ways he’s different and better than WEstern… Read more »
Anonymous
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I truly believe Russia is where the Caucasian race will make its last stand!

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If you want examples of monuments to committees look at the ugly architecture of museums in the last fifty years.

By the way. Is there any correlation between the ethnicity of many of the oligarchs of the former USSR and the fact that our oligarchs hate Russia for freeing itself from them?

I’ve suggested it before, but one of the most illuminating books on the subject of the end of the Soviet Union was written about twenty years before it fell: Nationalism, The Last Stage of Communism by Emil Lengyel.

Saml Adams
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P.J. O’Rourke termed Soviet/Eastern bloc architecture “Commie Concrete”. Stark, lifeless and crumbling (since they couldn’t even manage to make decent cement as simple as that is)

Severian
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“Everything in the USSR looks like it was built by apes on take.” He got dotty and cucky in his old age, but P.J. was The Man once.

Ganderson
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His “Foreigners around the World” remains a classic. He also said “Commies love concrete. They just can’t figure out how to make it.”

Glen Filthie
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And these same guys, these ‘apes on the take’ – shoved Hitler’s Blitzkrieg up his ass. They beat Americans into space and will probably be hassling the Chinese for the best real estate on moon in the future. (That won’t come to pass for us, obsessed as we are with saving negroes and welfare slugs from themselves and paying through the nose for the pleasure). These are the guys, who in front of millions during the winter Olympics – confronted the batshit crazy women of Pussy Riot. Do you remember the footage? The usual bunch of clueless harridans and femcnuts,… Read more »
Allan
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Well, there is at least one other way of dealing with riotous pussy:

Then was the Scold herself,
In a wheelbarrow brought,
Stripped naked to the smock,
As in that case she ought:
Neats tongues about her neck
Were hung in open show;
And thus unto the cucking stool
This famous scold did go.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucking_stool#Cucking-stools

Saml Adams
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But they still can’t pour decent concrete….a mystery that will rank up there with the whereabouts of Judge Crater….

A.T. Tapman
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The poor quality of Soviet concrete is not a mystery, they used to use a naturally occurring cement which has little compressive or flexural strength, in comparison to kiln fired Portland cement. Also they eschewed the use of admixtures such as water reducing and air entraining agents. Russian concrete was a crapshoot, some good some bad. I toured the USSR as an engineering student in the 70s and observed some buildings under construction and some which were just completed. I observed a number of buildings, over three stories, which required iron banding to prevent rupture. At that time the Russians… Read more »
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teapartydoc wrote:
“By the way. Is there any correlation between the ethnicity of many of the oligarchs of the former USSR and the fact that our oligarchs hate Russia for freeing itself from them?”

Indeed, there is

Saml Adams
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The Russians have always been the the Russians, even whilst being “Soviets” for a while. Russian is an imperial power that views eastern Europe as its sphere of influence and won’t take kindly to meddling. Remember the Crimean War? And the election meddling, hell, the Russians have been doing that since the Third International. They even bought and ran their own third party candidate in Henry Wallace in 1948 after being foiled by the Democrats finally coming to their senses and kicking him off the 1944 ticket. Were it not borderline sedition by the Dems, the whole affair about Russians,… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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The really odd thing is that the Dems are running a replay right now with The Moslem Brotherhood playing the role of the Communist International in the 1920s – 1950s: Peoples’ Exhibit A is Humma Abadin (spelling_?) Apparently there’s no organization easier to penetrate and manipulate than one engaged in penetration and manipulation itself yet thinking itself immune. Whether, as some have postulated, that the malignant mulatto was a secret Moslem I don’t know, but that’s at least as good an explanation as any other I have heard for many of his actions. Obama as the Moslem Brotherhood’s Henry Wallace… Read more »
Saml Adams
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I’d toss in Sarsour. And they don’t even try to hide their “5th Column-ness”. Occam has generally kept me away from conspiracy theories…but you are right about the fascination with anything Islamic with the Dems. If I were female or any of the LGBTSQXYZ letters, I’d be breaking out in hives.

Al from da Nort
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The word conspiracy is sometimes used to deflect attention from an opponent’s sustained strategy. For example, the USSR had a sustained strategy of taking over the world for communism (and to promote Russian hegemony). It was modeled on the Bolshevik’s demonstrated successful strategy against the Russian Empire which centrally involved many conspiracies. Elsewhere, it involved conspiracies with locals to overthrow various countries’ governments and install communists. To do this they used a great variety of tactics. One of those was to try to discredit their various opponents in other countries as conspiracy theorists. IOW, there *was* a long term conspiracy… Read more »
Alzaebo
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Occam’s Razor often forces me to accept ‘conspiracy theories’.

Tunnel vision, yes.
“They must’ve been stupid”- er, no.
Ruthless, lying? AKA… tunnel vision.

PRCD
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Agreed. Many things get done through conspiracies. The 9/11 hijackers conspired to knock down the WTC. Judas Iscariot conspired with the pharisees to hand over Jesus.

Sergey
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> The Russians have always been the the Russians, even whilst being “Soviets” for a while. As a Russian, I can’t agree to that. The communist experiment was not organic for the Russians and required Bolsheviks to get rid – physically – of gentry and clergy, the Russian thinking classes, first. Whatever educated people left in the country, they were city dwellers. Which demographically meant: 1/3 Jews and 1/3 Poles, both ethnic groups having a grudge against Russian. Just look for Zemlyachka, Dzerzhinsky, Yagoda – or Trotsky, – and they attitude toward ethnic Russians. Red Revolution was an ethnic, anti-Russian… Read more »
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Just look for Zemlyachka, Dzerzhinsky, Yagoda – or Trotsky, – and they attitude toward ethnic Russians.

Hell, look at Stalin and Beria… Wasn’t Lenin’s father a Siberian aboriginal and his mother a Swedish-German mix?

Sergey
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They say he was half Russian, with an admixture of Turkish/Mongol blood (Chuvash or Kalmyk – he have certain Asian features), and – yes, Swedish/German mother.

And he is the most Russian of all first-wave Bolsheviks, which tells a lot about the popularity of their ideas among ethnic Russians.

I didn’t mention Stalin and Beria because they were on the quest for personal power. Those butchers equally didn’t care about most of the Soviet nations (Chechens, Crimean Tatars, etc.), or so it seems to me, while early Bolsheviks often were specifically Russophobic (due to pale of settlement, the division of Poland, etc.).

Severian
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This is what drives me nuts about modern Western understandings of the Russian Revolution. I’m not a specialist in this area, but just basic reading should tell us that the Bolsheviks hated nationalism above everything (imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, after all). They were very enthusiastic about “Sovietizing” the national minorities, which meant, in practice, wiping them out. Same thing for the Jews — Lenin’s and especially Stalin’s purges worked pretty well as Holocausts, too, and were designed to, but you still hear people over here talking about “Jewish Bolshevism.” Thanks for the Russian perspective, Sergey. Z Man,… Read more »
james wilson
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The fact that Bolshevism was Jewish and the fact that Bolshevist regarded Jews as dangerous potential enemies are two facts not necessarily in opposition. Rabbi Marx himself loathed Jews.

Alzaebo
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A side note about that Jewish Bolshevism: the problem is, that once their latest Frankenstein’s monster is rampaging on a life of it’s own, the nomads flee to better pastures such as the Columbia School of Journalism, the OSS/CIA, the New York Fed, Mao’s advisory council and opium fields, both the Nazi officer corps and the Rotfront, the Bretton Woods administration, the BIS banks, the DC Beltway, etc. Tikkun Olam- managing the cattle- never learns. And they hate being tied down, leaving the traditionalist nationalists behind to take the hit. (Or killing them if they resist, as in the Holodomor.)… Read more »
A.T. Tapman
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Our diversity be are stremph!!!

Sergey
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> Thanks for the Russian perspective, Sergey. If you are interested, I’m a UK-based Russian expat, who got here after the initial shock of reading UK MSM, specifically the Guardian. I had no idea how Left-wing modern West is before that! Even what passes for “conservative thought” in West would be deemed in Russia as delusional humanistic wishful thinking that wouldn’t survive the confrontation with daily reality outside of the First world kindergarten. So I gradually moved toward the non-mainstream socially conservative political blogs until finally discovered the Alt-Right movement. Or the believers in ‘Gods of the Copybook Headings’ as… Read more »
Saml Adams
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Have had the pleasure of working closely was a bunch of Brezhnev era Russian emigrants for years (I’m in a quant business). All are ruthless realists and have never hesitated to correct soft headed idiocy or nostalgia for the system they grew up under.

Dutch
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My business partner is the son of Russian immigrants to the US. “Ruthless realist” describes him very well, along with the idea that “you create your own good fortune”. Great partner, hope I can keep up with him over time.

Tamaqua
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The thing is, the population of Ukraine was around 12% Jewish, yet less than 1% of them died during the Holomodor. They were virtually unscathed while the Ukrainian rural population was resorting to cannibalism. The perpetrators of the genocide, moreover, were disproportionately Jewish in origin, from the Communist Party functionaries to the OGPU/NKVD/Comsomol units that carried out the confiscation and collectivization program. To a Ukranian, as well as a Russian “kulak”, the agent of your destruction very often had a Jewish face. Thus, the correlation between Jews and Bolshevism is not simply Nazi propaganda, although it is conveniently dismissed as… Read more »
Saml Adams
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Well, one problem they had to work through initially was the apparent contradiction of Marxist theory with the realities of the defeat of the communist revolutionary attempts in the rest of Europe (if you ever wonder why we got the Immigration Act of 1924, this was one reason). It left the Soviets with the problem that Marxism envisioned a general rising of the worker proletariat. Instead all they got was one revolution in the most agrarian backwater in Europe. So once the Stalin/Bukharin wing of building socialism in one country beat out Trotsky and “permanent revolution”, the crushing of any… Read more »
PRCD
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Poast moar.

Tim Newman
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I think a lot of it is simply that the Russians don’t belong to any ethnic or religious victim class, so they’re fair game. Portray a Russian as a bad guy in a film and nobody will say a word.

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For the Government Party, Putin bears all the trappings of your average, Hollywood, Bond villain. How many Bond movies are we up to now? 26? The Government Party needs a Bond villain to keep up appearances. It’s also human nature to hate the people who remind us most of ourselves. Putin is very much the leader people like McCain, Pelosi, etc. aspire to be. The Obama’s aren’t staying in D.C. to let their kid finish school. Obama aspires to be an American Putin. Nobody cares what Dmitry Medvedev thinks. He’s just there to let Putin reset the “term limits” clock.… Read more »
A.T. Tapman
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Quite a bit of Putin hate is signaling, there is a correlation between your level of Putin hate and where you reside on the “Woke” scale.

Ryan T
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“To maintain order, it required men with guns and willingness to use them.”

It also requires the willingness of the society being repressed to participate in its own repression by engaging in propping up the wholesale lies. The USSR collapsed gradually under its contradictions, then suddenly when the people involved decided there was no longer any point in participating.

Mark Stoval
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I think the elite hate the Russians for being too white, traditionalist, and religious. After 70 years of real socialism, they ended up preferring the “American Dream”. Damn that must hurt our ruling elite.

And the bastards seem to be far more traditionally moral than modern westerners. That must hurt too.

Tamaqua
Guest

Absolutely, the Western Marxist left considers Putin, the ex KGB man, as the ultimate apostate. Putin took Bernie Sanders and Barack Obama’s Trotskyist dream world and shredded it in front of their faces. He raised the old Imperial Eagle, the Church, and made Russia great again.

Dutch
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Not just being too white, traditionalist, and religious, but for living the traditional male and female roles in society. Russian men still drink and fight. Putin is not the Bond villian, but the original James Bond himself, before he was softened up, post-Fleming. All male, amoral, doing his duty but taking what he wants, without asking first and without apology. I have a nephew, adopted as a child from Russia. He is having severe socialization issues as a teenager now. I see it, in part, the problem of merging his born and bred, and early environment of strong traditional male… Read more »
Drake
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I have to admit that, having spent much of my early adulthood training to kill Russians, I still register them as “enemy” when I see them and start automatically prioritizing targets. But yeah – the whole Russia hacked the election thing is absurd on several levels. Of course the media knows it’s nonsense. The DNC never did turn over their “hacked” servers to the FBI, because the damming info on Hillary was leaked not hacked. Now they are doing their absolute best to ignore the story of the Bernie-Bro leaker who was murdered and the Pakistani IT administrators black-mailing the… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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Gotcher newest and best Russia – DNC conspiracy raht cheer: The Russian FSB actually runs the Pakistani ISI who actually runs Imran Awan who actually penetrates DWS (close your eyes and think of Islamabad). Awan gets hired on out of gratitude and penetrates the DNC via DWS. Imran then passes the files back up the chain to Moscow. Moscow passes the files to Guiccifer II in Romania who publishes them on the internet. *That’s* how the sneaky Rooskies’ Bond villain Vlad, The Remote Control Impaler, hacked the election. Yeah, that’s the ticket. OTOH, the backpack left for the keystone capitol… Read more »
james wilson
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Both the Americans and the Russians long held their opponents in higher esteem than revealed facts might warrant, but especially so the Russians for the Americans. As Obama was elected we began doing many things that were incomprehensible, literally, to Putin. and he assumed that the Americans were running another brilliant dodge that would only become apparent when it was finally complete. It took him two or three years to understand this was no act and that is when he began to enjoy publicly giving Americans exactly the respect they deserved.

Eclectic Esoteric
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The bear scare is a narcissistic projection of the monstrousness of the left so massive, unmanageable and violent the poor bear can’t sustain the weight. Therein lies the implausibility.

Tear down our statues, rename our streets and render university educations and void, as deconstruction is all they’ve got. We will rebuild all of it in our own image because beggars and parasites can’t be choosers.

Eclectic Esoteric
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Edit:

Tear down our statues, rename our streets and render university educations null and void, as deconstruction is all they’ve got. We will rebuild all of it in our own image because and parasites can’t be choosers.

Severian
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“Then Putin came along and broke the backs of the oligarchs.” Yes, but HOW? I’d love to hear Our Betters, the Liberals, try to explain that one. It’s the same question I have about Nazi Germany, actually — how the unique globalist evil of capitalism, that is so multinationally evil it even causes hurricanes when there’s a Republican president, so meekly grabs ankle for guys like Putin and Hitler. We’re told that e.g. Hitler broke the big industrial combines, but according to the Left, Big Business runs the world. How? (I know the answer – it’s that stuff about “no… Read more »
Sergey
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> “Then Putin came along and broke the backs of the oligarchs.” Yes, but HOW?

I might have an answer, but I’m not sure you’d like it. Putin is a head of “siloviki”, a clan built around ex-KGB/MVD/military: soviet secret police, civil police and top army people. So, he’s a Deep State candidate. A legitimised, popular junta leader. Funny, right?

Even funnier, that this is what all those Brins and Zukerbergs will eventually get if they ever remake the US into an oligarchy. Men with guns will take their assets from them and establish a (decorated) military rule.

Severian
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Yes. Putin is exhibit #1 for the proposition that someone can be 1) a very very bad guy, but 2) who accomplishes some good things. It has happened everywhere, throughout history – when your choices are between a) Augustus, and b) another round of horrible civil wars, most people pick a). Which was my point about Hitler — Big Business thought it was using him (and most businessmen in the US and UK were ok, if not outright enthusiastic, about this); instead, he used them, far more ruthlessly. Our Brins, Zuckerbergs et al had best pray long and hard every… Read more »
Alzaebo
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I take comfort in Wretchard’s aphorism:
“Great Men are rarely also, good men.”

Dutch
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One way or another, when the rules get ignored, it always devolves into The Godfather. Among the delusions of the left, is that this is not the case.

PRCD
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“Even funnier, that this is what all those Brins and Zukerbergs will eventually get if they ever remake the US into an oligarchy. Men with guns will take their assets from them and establish a (decorated) military rule.”

Promise? The ZMAN likes to remind us that when the elites tear up the rule book, they’re usually the first ones to suffer.

Tamaqua
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Super complex, so i’ll give a TL;DR version: Hitler didn’t “break” the big industrial combines-he co-opted them by presenting them with the least bad option at the time. The KPD obviously was not an option, the SPD was Marxist lite, and the and the DNVP were hemorrhaging voters to the Nazis. The Nazis were at least going to not bring Bolshevik revolution. After 1934 and the Night of the Long Knives, Hitler purges, with murder, the most radical Socialists within the Party, the Rohm and Strasser faction. This mollifies the old conservative elites of the Army as well as big… Read more »
Alzaebo
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I must say, that’s the most realistic summary I’ve yet seen. Nobody woke up and said, “We’re going to go completely starkers, and become the most hated people in history”.

Member

This corresponds pretty well with the account of the late Georgetown historian Carroll Quigley, who provided a similar account of how “The Quartet” put Hitler into power.

Kentucky Headhunter
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accusing Putin of being the new Hitler and claiming he has plans to invade Europe.

What percentage of the non-rabid Leftist American populace would give 2 sheets if Putin did invade Europe? What if he then put down the Islamic Invasion and sent them all packing? There’d be a lot of new statues in Europe (of Putin) and maybe a couple here in the U.S.

Tamaqua
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Because his armored divisions would have to violate the borders of Poland, The Czech Republic, and/or Hungary to save the Germans and the French and the Italians from their own politicians and the muslim horde. The Poles and the Hungarians (and the Czechs) have been absolutely magnificent in resisting the islamic invasion and the EU. They do have absolutely valid historical antipathies to the Russians, so unless and until Poland makes a modus vivendi with the Russians, its not happening. Better for Putin to encourage the Visegrad nations to form a bulwark on his western border, and encourage Poland to… Read more »
Member
The theory I’ve nursing these last couple of years is that the Putin hate stems from the culmination of the Color Revolutions and Vlad’s role in that rather shameful defeat. The two things you should consider about the Color Revolutions is that they were (1) exercises in soft power and (2) being soft and fuzzy, they were perfect vehicles for what we now call the deep state to try out some rather novel theories with medals and promotions for everyone. In addition to the deep state, the Fourth Estate was fully complicit and the EU was along for the ride… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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A very plausible theory. I should say, yet another very plausible theory for the Prog Hive’s implausible (not to mention dangerous) Russian/Putin hatred.* I even put out one theory myself above in the thread that makes a certain amount of sense (Moslem Brotherhood penetration and influence). But why so many, Batman_? The ‘what’ of the matter is obvious: It’s that the ‘why’ of the hive’s explanation for it makes no obvious rational sense. So we’re all over the place here looking for an alternative that makes some sense from a traditional/historical political point of view. There may be none: No… Read more »
Member
You bring up a good point. The Hive is not just Progressive, it is Transnational. There may be too may hands on the Ouija Board pointer to figure out who is pushing it where. We are back to the discussion on committees, aren’t we? When you consider all of the agencies that make up the deep state; our own oligarchs; the “donors” exerting their influence through the various foundations and think tanks; the EU (I am starting to realize how much we underestimate its influence); and the Fourth Estate, that’s a lot of interests represented on the committee. We mistake… Read more »
Alzaebo
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“It’s a frickin’ jungle out there.” It is natural for most us to try to discern the Hand of the Mover (a Father) that we might place our footsteps along a proper path. Other cultures see an Emperor as the middleman twixt Earth and Heaven; yet more, polytheism, Aunts and Uncles, the original dysfuntional Committee. Worse still, the modern age, wherein our Siblings will help us bring down Dad, as Zeus did to Chronos. Those like me, blind to such family dynamics (and sadly mystified by people in general), see an Ecology at work. The human ecology. In the great… Read more »
Member

Great point. The current Putin hating hysteria dates from right after the Obama people were unsuccessful in getting ground troops in Syria. In this case Russia stood in the way, as far as they were concerned. Within weeks our stooges were demonstrating to overthrow the Ukrainian government.

Alzaebo
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10 upvotes! Thanks for bringing it back to reality. This is Kipling’s Great Game, resurrected.

Ryan
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Bit of Russian language trivia: Vlad is short for Vladislav. A Vladimir would be nicknamed Vova or Vovoya. Another way to look at the disdain for Putin’s Russia is that it’s a kind of anti-Brezhnev-ism (I am not good with words). Brezhnev’s government maintained that socialism was the inevitable end game for all humanity. Because of this he could never allow a socialist state to fail, because if a socialist government collapsed, that would pretty well demonstrate he was wrong about the inevitable end game of all humanity. Our leaders have a similar view, maybe call it end-of-history, whereby the… Read more »
Ripple
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Isn’t Volodya the more common nickname for Vladimir in Russian?

Member

White, tribal, Christian, ruthless in defense of its territory and its values, biologically realistic. For American progs, what’s not to hate?

TomA
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The only effective response to neocon warmongering is to refuse to fight their wars for them. Today, there is not a single soul in DC that is worthy of respect (or for that matter, possesses real leadership qualities). Men like Thomas (Stonewall) Jackson were the kind of leader that other men followed with loyalty and devotion, and today the hive tears down his statute. The lack of quality leadership in DC is a reflection of the country-at-large. That is how bad things have become.

Brooklyn
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“For the last few years, the American ruling class has been obsessed with Russia. The Bear Scare in DC over Trump’s alleged ties to Putin is just one ridiculous element to the obsession. ” I figured that the simplest reason for all the Russia business is that our political and elite classes are geared for it. We spent fifty years focused on Russia and the people in power were planning on spending another fifty years at the same time the Soviets threw in the towel. There’s also the probable calculation that it won’t lead to much; we too tied economically… Read more »
Dutch
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I don’t mean to sidetrack the conversation, but this is one of the most fascinating and thought provoking discussion threads I have ever seen. Zman likes to set the table for a good conversation, and he happened to knock it out of the park this time. I will need to carefully retread this thread about a dozen times or so.

cerulean
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“I will need to carefully retread this thread about a dozen times or so.”

So will I. This is a topic that I have no education, experience, or intuition for… so the article and comments are especially useful.

Dutch
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“Retread”=”reread”. Damn autocorrect!

Alzaebo
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I am gladly heartened by the reunion of the Great Minds here. This one brought the true stalwarts out.

I am humbled and refreshed by the depth of their knowledge, experience, and station. Like an impoverished fisherman cheering a procession of nobles from his miserable hovel.

JohnTyler
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I don’t see Chile or Brazil or Peru or Uruguay or Costa Rica getting their knickers in a twist about Putin. Why is that? Because they mind their own damn business, that’s why, and frankly, they are too far away and too insignificant for Putin to bother with them. But aside from certain folks in the USA who else is getting all lathered up about Czar Putin? Well, we see Finland, Ukraine, Sweden, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Poland somewhat nervous, and why would that be? Because they live next to the BEAR and their history with the BEAR has not… Read more »
Dutch
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Poland and the Baltic states have Russia on one side and the EU on the other. Not a good place to be. Other than some sort of self-reliance strategy, they’ve got nuthin.

Putin is out to disrupt the US, and so is Trump, in a different way. So they are simultaneously allies and enemies. Things are never simple.

james wilson
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It may simply be that the prog senses what we do, that White Russians and Trump America are natural allies. All measures must be taken to see that does not evolve. A prog is a bee who instinctively understands his relation to other bees and dangers to his hive. The path for those not in the hive is less well marked.

Alzaebo
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Not 10 upvotes this time, but 100.
In a nutshell.

Sergey
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> Because they live next to the BEAR and their history with the BEAR has not been very fun at all. With the exception of Sweden Estonia, Latvia and Finland were all parts of Sweden once – before they became a part of Russian Empire during the string of Swedish-Russian wars that reduced the Swedish Empire – one of the Northern powerhouses of the 17th century – to a modern-day IKEA nation, killing about 2/3 of adult Swedish males in the process. Of course, Russian waged war on Swedish land, and almost burned Stockholm back in 1719. The most famous… Read more »
Member

The supposed ‘crackdown’ on homosex agitation happened after Masha Gessen was made director of Radio Liberty or whatever. Everything about her except her passport is basically government issue standard crazy lesbian activist.

Ever since then (at least) homosex has been an important part of the US diplomatic (and presumably intelligence) operations in Eastern Europe. So the crackdown on homosex seems more like our goons getting a beat down from their goons than an attack on a ‘community’. (‘coincidentally’, John Brennan, former CIA director, was a huge inverted rainbow fan)

Member
While I think that we are definitely watching the collapse of managerial state control due to a population proving to be far less compliant than they had experienced – at least outside of the urban hubs – the difference between where we are where Russia was when Putin came to power are drastic. Putin took over after the collapse of a totalitarian system, where the official, controlled corruption was unleashed into a frenzy of uncheckable corruption. He took over and remains popular because he has brought it back under control, and upholds the overall cultural norms in the process, but… Read more »
Alzaebo
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A virtual way to break up those big Blue states:
Demand House representation per the original mandate, that is, one Representative per every 30,000 citizens, rather than 735,000 today drowning each other out. And, of course, repeal the 17th, Senate election.

Issac
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“That makes for a fun narrative and good way to taunt some of the more unhinged types like Bill Kristol and Max Boot, but it does not explain why the political class is uniformly anti-Russian”

This is admirable skepticism; however, your political class is quite overwhelmingly Jewish. I’ve often wondered if any of your oligarchs could get away with even mildly anti-Zionist or counter-Semitic rhetoric. I imagine the answer to that is a resounding “no,” and would point to the fact that this has never happened as evidence to that fact.

JamesG
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“the anti-Trump clown car”

That is a keeper!

Crank
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The other reason that Putin has been chosen as the foreign boogieman is that nobody can call them racist, antisemetic or whatever for demonizing him.

Member

March of this year marked the 100th anniversary of the United States invasion of Russia at Vladivostok In an attempt to reverse the Russian Revolution (Along with Britain and France elsewhere)

I think a piece of the Putin hatred goes back to Halford Mckinder’s “World Island” theory.
Russia, of course, is the heart of the world Island and the US cannot acchieve true global hegemony while Russia remains intact and independent.

JohnB
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The only other plausible furrin enemy are the Chinese, and they’re not quite white enough, old boy. They’re also genuinely dangerous.

Alzaebo
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Plus, those Chinese Red Chips propping up CALPERS and the West Coast property market go a long way… all the way to Democrat coffers.

sirlancelot
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* * * They also look a lot like the crew that tumbles out of the anti-Trump clown car whenever is screeches to a halt * * *

Awesome ! It’s why I keep reading you Z ! 🙂

random_guy
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The Russia vilification is just the replay of the memes used in the Soviet Union by Stalin et al, where: “The America in Soviet propaganda is ruled by force and fraud. Its handful of rulers pull the strings to which their subjects dance like puppets. Its domestic policy is one of exploitation and oppression and its foreign policy is characterized by deception and aggression”. Sounds a lot like the MSM description of Putin? It is starting to look like the later half of the 20th century was a form of A/B testing of certain mass propaganda techniques vs slightly different… Read more »
MSJ
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Say what you will about YouTube censorship, gems are available if you do enough searching. StarMedia has a very interesting channel that consists mostly of Russian films subtitled in English. I wonder what our Russian commentators think of this channel. SM’s documentary playlist has several multi-part films about Russia’s various wars. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuSx-lf2ft7hPceGVNHybOw/playlists?shelf_id=8&sort=dd&view=50 Soviet Storm, a series dealing with Russia’s Great Patriotic War (the struggle against the Nazi juggernaut), provides an interesting counterbalance to the American version of World War II, where the Americans saved everybody’s ass (dubbed in English). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97iOxxH_64s&t=701s Some of their drama series are not bad, either. It’s… Read more »
Quartermaster
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It’s hard to say which is more, or less, stable, Russia or the US. On the surface it appears Russia is, but Charlottesville and other set ups don’t paint a pretty picture of the US. Giving weapons to the Ukrainians will not involve us in war. The Ukrainians are more than happy to fight for themselves. All they need to do is hold the line they are holding now, and the Donbas and Crimea will fall back into their laps. Russia can’t afford to support the invasion of Ukraine much longer. Yes, the business of it being a civil war… Read more »
Member
Re: “Another possibility is a much less mystical one. Instead of epigenetic fear of a pogrom, perhaps the source of this great fear is much higher, in the billionaire class that rules the nation through the political parties.” ZMan, your theories have much to recommend them – in particular your thesis that Putin is hated because he represents the old order wherein the power of the state was supreme, and even the privileged and wealthy were expected to follow the law or suffer the consequences. That being said, there is a much more-fundamental reason Putin and Russia are hated –… Read more »
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