Thoughts On GrifterCon

One of the toughest problems for dissident political movements to navigate is the army of grfters and subversives that are always on the prowl for easy targets. The Tea Party movement is a great example. The people who initially got involved did so for all the right reasons. They were nice, white middle-class people upset about what they saw happening in Washington. It was the sort of spontaneous civic nationalism that many white people still cling to as a solution to our present woes. It’s the good sort of populism.

The trouble is, the movement was quickly swarmed by an army of grifters and opportunists, along with the body-men of the establishment,. These people showed up offering help, organization and in some cases, a famous name to add credibility. Before long the whole thing became a bust-out, with the grifters carrying off what they could, before it collapsed in a heap.  The caravan of hustlers has now moved onto peddling neo-libertarianism as the antidote to both populism and identity politics.

Of course, something similar has happened to the Trump phenomenon. This story in Politico about various clowns and freaks in the MAGA movement is emblematic of what has become of Trumpism. Ali Alexander, one of the organizers, appears to be the spawn of Sammy Davis Jr. and an Easter Island statue. Judging from his postings, he takes a lot of drugs or suffers from psychotic episodes. The Tea Party, at least, drew a decent class of grifter. Trump’s baggage train is just freaks and lunatics.

In fairness to Trump and the millions of people who voted for him and still support him, they can’t do much about these freak shows. The media loves to promote old weirdos like Roger Stone, because it makes Trump look bad. He provides easy copy and he is willing to be their Sambo, dancing at the end of whatever string they offer. People like Loomer, Molyneux and Cernovich show up because they sniff a few dollars. They are performers and they go where they can find an audience willing to pay them to perform.

The fact that the place was empty suggests politically active whites are staring to wise up to this stuff. Last year’s C-PAC also experienced a drop in attendance. Maybe people are starting to figure out that these events are just a way to keep them busy while their pockets are picked. Maybe white people are rethinking their politics. The utter disappointment of the Trump presidency thus far has probably been the worst thing to happen to this sort of political racketeering. It’s smartened up the chumps.

Still, there is a pattern here. The Reagan years birthed Conservative Inc., which hoovered tens of millions out of the pockets of middle-class white people into various projects that never accomplished a thing. The Contract With America institutionalize the system into a permanent political-industrial complex. The Tea Party, of course, was a complete bust and now Trumpism is becoming an embarrassing freak show. Any resistance is either co-opted or turned into something embarrassing.

The thing that all of these failed movements have in common is they accepted the premise of liberal democracy. From Reagan to Trump, all efforts to reform or challenge the system did so within the context of liberal democracy. They also assumed that the fight must take place on the platforms of the Progressive media. Inevitably, the media picks the most embarrassing members of the alternative to come up on stage. This happened with Reagan, Gingrich and even Bush. We see the same thing happening in the Trump era.

This suggests two rules for dissident politics. One is a variation of the oldest bit of political advice. Never been seen with crazy people or wearing funny hats. Professional pols have people who make sure they are never in the same shot as a crank or weirdo. Smart pols also avoid putting themselves in situation where they can look silly, like driving a tank wearing an over-sized helmet or getting goosed by a farm animal. For dissidents, it means staying clear of attention whores and people with heads full of nutty ideas.

More important, it means staying as far away from Progressive media as possible. This has been a topic for a long time on the Dissident Right, but the side in favor of engagement has always won. Their argument was that it was the best way to get the attention of the public. Today, that’s not the case. Mass media is the worst way to get the attention of the public, because it is all click-bait, agit-prop and tabloid nonsense. The fragmentation also means a much lower ROI. There are better ways to get the public’s attention.

Maybe that’s a bit of white pill to take away from the failure of GrifterCon to attract much of audience this weekend. Maybe people now associate being in the news with being mentally unstable or being an unreliable degenerate. While a story about Roger Stone may get eyeballs on a news site, the people viewing it do so for the same reason people look at pictures of a snake trying to swallow a goat. The freak show has reached a point where it is self-discrediting. That would be a great development for dissidents if true.

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Dutch
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The yellow vests are next up for the freak show, who will suck the life out of the movement.

David Davenport
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David Davenport

Please explain why the yellow vests will suck.

Also, please define “the movement.”

Nori
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Nori

France is chock-full of commies who have happily slithered into the yellow vests as cover for rioting and car burning. Z’s post is about this very point, once any movement gains traction, the grifters arrive to suck its lifeblood. Not trying to speak for Dutch, but I believe this “movement” has been simmering in rural France and Paris underground for some time now.
Frenchmen want their country back.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

The Interior Ministry estimated something like 130K protestors across France on Saturday, and 25K protestors for a Green demonstration in support of the taxes in Paris, while only 10K Gilets Jaunes showed up in Paris after thousands were arrested.

The “Manif pour tous” against the homo part of globohomo, got something like 300K in Paris, five years ago. There was no rioting and it petered out. Another comparison is PEGIDA in Germany, which peaked at 30K in Dresden, until the German government leaked that the founder was a Neo-Nazi that cosplayed as Hitler.

Dutch
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Dutch

Thanks, Nori; David Davenport, Nori has said it more clearly than I have. The yellow vests are out there to “get their country back”, but it is not thought out and organized. So the plotters and crazies grift onto it.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

That’s not what he said.

dmv gringo
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dmv gringo

Calm down, you (knee-jerk) offended soyflake.

Yellowish
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Yellowish

yellow vests are not the conservative nor Right-winger It just so-called Liberal/environmentalists Angry to cost of living Even their statement call more social benefit to the immigrant/refugee Socialist party of France are party of Auriol, Mitterrand (Party of the Rich) former minister of Hollande and his party are renamed Socialist Party They really suck at build or maintain strong nation These kinds of Rioting is new normal for European world Merkel and Macron things just prove European race want status quo I’m pretty sure if Dramatic thing will happen that not gonna be white people Colored people want Good-stuff what… Read more »

chedolf
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This story in Politico about various clowns and freaks in the MAGA movement…” The link goes to one of your posts. I’m guessing you meant to link to this: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/07/american-priority-conference-trump-1052214

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

In Europe there’s raving discussions about whether this exact thing has happened to France’s ‘yellow vests’. Some policing, and hence some admin, for genuine opposition, is probably necessary.

Dale Peterson
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Dale Peterson

This is why we all need to get behind Bill Mitchell. He will lead us through the Wilderness!

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

Bill Mitchell has been far more effective than R. Spencer. The cringeworthy Boomercon created a brand out of nothing but his own hot air.

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Sounds like a few dozen people went. Yikes! But I got to admit this is hilarious.

Stefan Molyneux, … tweeted …, “My ancestors were driven out of Africa and struggled to survive winter and hunger. … Now the Africans say we are ‘privileged’ & thieves.”

Al from da Nort
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Al from da Nort

Whitney;
From reading the story of the event: No doubt, part of the reason for low attendance is holding the event in one of the most expensive venues (Wardman-Park Marriott) in one of the most expensive cities in the US on an inconvenient date with little publicity. Other than that, great event planning.

Ursula
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Ursula

The GOP is faithfully doing their part to help the Democrats re-take power in 2020.

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Sounds like the best course of action is not to associate with anyone!

Lineman
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Lineman

Evil flourishes when good men don’t associate so negative on that idea…

Wilson McWilliams
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Wilson McWilliams

One matter I’d like to see discussed: which organizations (non-profit or profit) are worth including in one’s will?

As an outsider looking in, I have little idea which players are truly in the game for the long haul, are efficient users of contributed funds, and are ideologically “pure enough”?

Frankly, given the realities within my family, I’d rather NOT leave everything I own to them.

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My thinking entirely.

Angelle Staria (male)
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Angelle Staria (male)

One can understand your sentiment. It only takes so much bs from all sides to wear one down and out with the ever grinding mortality/humanity of the geo-socio-political spectrum. Having said that, acting and living entirely alone trusting no one anywhere in any parameter, gets us nowhere and leaves us without resources. That phrase…”no man is an island entirely of itself”-John Donne…is true. But neither does…it take(s) a village-HRC…to accomplish a measure of success in the fray of the on-going political/corruption drama now proliferating in its intensifying ugliness. A quickie lesson in 101 Human Behavior Profiling would be a great… Read more »

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

One of the recurring patterns in North American right-wing politics has been the “gender gap” which is really the “marriage gap”. This means that the Right has a secular deficit of women to match up with its bracket of single/divorced male voters. So untold numbers of women can not only get positions of influence like Tomi Lahren, they vastly rise above their level of competency like Sarah Palin. The Dissident movements are not exempt from the phenomenon, arguably we might be the most accelerated variant of it. Ezra Levant created, and then fired, two camgirls that have held far too… Read more »

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Who is Ezra Levant? Ah never mind, looked him and Canadian. I don’t bother with Canadian Dissidents. We on the Dissident have surprisingly separate ideological spaces that we inhabit. There are lots of speakers on such matters even Dr. Steve Turley who is basically all White Pills all the time A lot of us simply don’t see the same stuff This is not mind you a bad thing, actual diversity and it makes it a lot harder to pick off “though leaders” Amusingly to me this blog is basically the Rosetta Stone of the Dissident Right, widely read by all… Read more »

Nathan
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There aren’t many women in the dissident right because women are conformists. (It’s part of their survival strategy—being weaker they side with the strongman.) It’s natural that men would lead any contrarian movement. Women are enforcers of the social norms, whether that be GloboHomo, Islamic domination, or National Socialism. In this most current of years in Amerikwa, it’s GloboGayplex. It’s up to men to set the standards that women enforce. It’s mostly married women (especially with children) who can see that their best interests are served by a reinstitution of Western patriarchal values. The camgirls are jumping on that bandwagon… Read more »

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

I wasn’t so much commenting on the lack of women in the movements, as I was complaining about male thirst as a cause of incompetent women being promoted above their level.

Whatever the utility of female participation in politics, their main utility is in promoting to other women. The left understands this, there are no “Chapo camgirls” that call themselves serious thinkers. Younger women of below average looks, but above average intelligence, are rarely found in places of prominence in the Right, but they abound on the Left.

dad29
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Either you’ve never been married or your marriage failed, Nathan. I know a LOT of women-dissidents who do all the work in leadership, follower-ship, and everything-else ship; look no further than the pro-lifers.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

The pro-life movement is not “dissident” in the United States, it is standard fare of mainstream conservatism. Pro-life is not the same as anti-feminist. And an anti-feminist group of women will avoid activism, leaving that to their husbands.

Nathan
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Nathan

@dad29
I’ll bet 90% are married with kids, “Dad.” That’s my point.

dad29
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Married with kids happens to be ‘dissident’ these days. And “mainstream conservatism” does NOT include pro-life; if it did, the Republican Congress would have de-funded Abortion, Inc., 2 years ago. In fact, “mainstream conservatives” despise pro-lifers, and they have done so for the last 30 years.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

National Review won’t purge you (yet) for opposing abortion. But they will purge anyone that asserts a white identity politics, questions endless war and NATO, and opposes tax cuts for billionaires.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

More’s the pity!

Lance_E
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Trumpism would probably be less of a freakshow if Trump himself had made even the slightest effort to protect his supporters, both in the administration and in the body politic, from the predations of the prog-establishment.

Normies are becoming aware that being seen on the Trump Train is not merely a temporary embarrassment while the political realignment shakes out, but a professional and social death sentence because the promised realignment is not happening. Without the normies, all you have left are the freaks and weirdos.

David Davenport
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L”Normies are becoming aware that being seen on the Trump Train is not merely a temporary embarrassment while the political realignment shakes out, but a professional and social death sentence because the promised realignment is not happening.” Lance E., are you an agent of the Deep State, posting here to demoralize us? I do think that Trump should pardon Flynn and Manafort, and do so now. Dutch, I’m still waiting for your definition of “the movement.” Lastly, browsing comments in Breitbart.com, I notice that many Americans cannot grasp the fact that in France, one can be culturally Right but economically… Read more »

Lance_E
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Yeah, you got me. Deep State FTW! My devious strategy was all going according to plan until your clever self unmasked me!

So then, tell us what Trump has achieved that is “culturally Right”. We’v seen deregulation and lower taxes, hallmarks of the GOPe. Where’s the anti-trust? The tech platform regulation? The immigration restrictions? The Border Adjustment Tax? The Wall? The public executions of AntiFa members and supporters? How is Trump helping us win the culture war – with tweets?

dad29
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Good questions. Has Trump’s family been credibly threatened in a way not publicized but existentially serious?

Lance_E
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Trump’s family has been credibly threatened since the day of his inauguration. Rolling back any part of the progressive agenda in America is not going to happen without violence; any so-called reformer who doesn’t have the stomach for that is going to be Coolidge-tier, at best.

Felix Krull
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Just so. The mass de-platforming of new right content creators, is happening on his watch.

Random Dude on the Internet
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Random Dude on the Internet

I agree. The social cost is too high. You’d think the guy in the White House, both sides of Congress, and a (slim) majority of the Supreme Court can put at least some effort into protecting his followers but nope, he leaves them hanging high and dry. I’m a normie who works at a senior management position (not bragging) at an organization who wouldn’t think twice about canning me if comments that I made here or at Audacious Epigone’s blog are made aware and public to them. Whenever I donate shekels to the movement, I have to do it in… Read more »

Lance_E
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There are thousands of Silicon Valley *insiders* who would be cheering on regulation, never mind Trump’s ~60 million normie voters. Instead we see articles about how the Trump admin and SV are finally starting to get along.

Michael Flynn. Palmer Luckey. Steve Bannon. James Bunner. That’s the cost of Trump support. Where’s the payoff? Is it any wonder that savvy entrepreneurs like Peter Thiel are keeping their distance?

Rod1963
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Where do you get your ideas about the GOP? The GOP hates Trump and his supporters. They do not like white blue collars or the middle-class and always have. Why do you think the GOP is at forefront of globalization, importing cheap foreign labor and letting Wall Street ass rape the country? That’s it’s real base. It’s why you don’t hear a peep from the GOP about Anti-fa goons working over MAGA types and conservatives. They support it. It’s leaders HATE Trump and worked against him from day one. Do you know the GOP, Democratic leaders along with Silicon Valley… Read more »

Lance_E
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Who said anything about the GOP? We know the cucks aren’t going to do squat. Obama didn’t need the support of congressional Democrats to sic the IRS and the FBI on anyone who criticized him.

There is, of course, a vast system of informal power that operates well outside the purview of the executive branch, but the differences between Trump being unable to exercise power vs. being unwilling to do so are largely irrelevant to us plebs. He can either solve the problem, whatever it is, or be a one-term president.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

If you want to see why he won’t defend his supporters, just look at the responses to this BezosPost tweet about the PeggedBoys. It’s foolish to expect Trump to defend people that make asses out of themselves, and lack the maturity to understand their mistakes. How exactly will our people survive the 21st century verison of the Palmer Raids that a Dem administration in the future will bring?

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1071376010199867393

Rod1963
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And how exactly was he going to do that when most of the GOP Congress hates Trump’s supporters and wants them go away? I don’t know where you’ve been for the last 26 years. But the GOP since GHW Bush has been very anti-white, anti-blue collar and middle-class. They support every globalist free trade agreement coming down the pike while supporting the ass rape of America by Wall Street. Hell Ryan and McConnell had amnesty and TPP ready for Hillary to sign had she won. Hell Congress did everything possible to make sure Trump’s agenda got nowhere with Ryan leading… Read more »

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you hit the nail on the head Lance. even during the campaign he did not seemed concerned that in San deaigo and Chicago his supporters were attacked by gang bangers as the police watched with detached amusement. Of course nobody in the GOPe said a word of condemnation , and the fool ted cruze said it was their own fault for supporting trump.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Correct. And you’ll never get normies without a home base, some protection. Why should a normie stick out his neck if he knows that he won’t get on support if things go bad? We need an alternative infrastructure to fall back on. If someone gets fired, we need to find them a job. If someone gets attacked publically, we need our attack dogs (lawyers, PR people, etc.) to fight back. We need think tanks for people like Z Man and Sailer. We need cultural groups to teach our children. We need college groups to create the next generation of leaders.… Read more »

Lineman
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@Citizen
I have been working on building Community that incorporates all that you have mentioned in your previous comments and this one…

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

The big question is how. I’m getting involved in business groups but I haven’t pushed for any “White” or European-American branch. Just getting a feel for things. Most community groups are already overwhelmingly White, which is good. I pondered starting a European Heritage group. Again, absolutely no political talk involved. Just teaching kids and others about the good contributions of Europeans in America. Normally, some people scoff at such groups, saying that we already learn about Whites in America, but I think that a lot of Whites are waking up to the fact that their kids are only being taught… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

First is find a place that is a desirable place that people want to move too that has the capability to be self sufficient, progun, prolife, proliberty or already is…

Lance_E
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I’m ambivalent on folks like Molyneux and Stone. The problem is, you can’t openly be a right-winger without financial independence. That usually means public donations – implicitly diversified income. It also means constant hunger for publicity and temptation to follow the money. The alternative is to plug back into the Matrix of prog platforms and ad-bucks, which inevitably corrupts both the message and the messenger.

Only a minuscule number are capable of channeling populism into something both socially productive and individually profitable. We’re talking maybe a few dozen, worldwide. The rest will always either be beggars or sellouts.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

There is something to be said of those that can take a public platform under their own name. But if you look at the left in comparison, they can get a retainer from the Open Society Foundation and other foundations. I don’t entirely remember the depths of this story, but a few years ago Peter Brimelow and Vdare were cut off from one of the few rightist foundations, his publicly viewable Form 990s are awful. There is something undignified about asking for donations, as if it violates the classical republican virtue of being “disinterested”.

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

None of this will work — the movement’s headliners, as long as personal financial needs or gain are a primary requirement or consideration. We’re fooling ourselves if we think that what has to be done from our side can be kicked off and brought to some successful conclusion by guys who have, or are driven, to make a buck from it. Whatever happens, and whoever leads in either opinion, doctrine, or action, will pay a terrible price, given the task we face.

Lance_E
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The only people who can pay that price without an income are the financially independent, the criminal, and the warlord. And criminals and warlords tend not to be the most eloquent.

I’m not suggesting “right-wing commentator” should be a lucrative profession, but everyone’s gotta eat.

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

…. and perhaps the freedom / America-loving man who’s just, at long, long last, had enough.

And I think that sometimes, maybe, eloquence is no longer the desired main characteristic.

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Calsdad

The fact that I see people who *claim* to be on the right being ambivalent or worse yet – opposed to Molyneaux makes me wonder (once again) – about the brain power of the so-called right. Molyneaux – entertainer or not ( I have NEVER seen Molyneaux primarily as an entertainer – making 2 hour videos is not “entertainment” for the short attention span set) – is still deeply invested in shitting all over the progressive left. Why so many on the right seem to persistently throw those who are their “fellow travelers” into the void is beyond me. Their… Read more »

Apex Predator
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Apex Predator

” Ali Alexander, one of the organizers, appears to be the spawn of Sammy Davis Jr. and an Easter Island statue.”

I fucking LOL’d, Z-Man you are -definitely- channeling Jim Goad in that sentence in a very good way. One of Goad’s hallmarks is biting and acerbic assessment of the various physical monstrosities that appear in news stories. Most of these creatures are the rather deformed looking creatures that pass for NPCs and Leftists, but we can add this guy too.

*hat tip* for the LULZ, well played…

Bartleby the Scrivener
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Bartleby the Scrivener

I had to google Ali Alexander. Well done Z.

Random Dude on the Internet
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Random Dude on the Internet

I think we’re at a point where the scales have largely fallen from the eyes of the MAGApedes. There are some stragglers who believe every inane 4D underwater backgammon narrative but even the former true believers like Posobiec and Cernovich are losing faith. The most prominent people on our side, Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter, are now openly skeptical about what Trump can do. Yet there they are out there, pushing people to challenge the modern day orthodoxy. So while there are a lot of black pills floating around these days, take the positives in terms of the lessons being… Read more »

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

Posobiec and Cernovich are the residue of the Gamergate movement that started four years ago, switching a non-trivial number of people from the center-left to the center-right. But the movement itself had no power over the gaming industry, which is now even more leftist than before. And the irony is that both men were grifters before Gamergate, during it, and after it. Metokur was the biggest new voice to come out of it, but he took a principled stance against being a grifter.

Whiskey
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Whiskey

The Yellow Jackets made life in Paris miserable for the ruling class. They acted out of economic desperation — on both parties. The Global Warming Carbon tax is really just danegeld for the vibrant youths who are increasing in number and constantly demanding more money not to stage their own riots. Since the Ruling Class will not pay it falls on the Deplorables. Who need to live far, far away from the Vibrants for physical safety and need their old broken down cars to work and (barely) put food on the table. The taxes has the prospect of workers starving… Read more »

Chaotic Neutral
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Chaotic Neutral

“Smart pols also avoid putting themselves in situation where they can look silly, like driving a tank wearing an over-sized helmet” You were just reading the tucker Carlson book, the part about Dukakis, huh? It’s pretty good. He seems to have found a way to frame things without bringing in polarizing ideas like race realism or the usual suspects. It would be nice for zman to review it. Something slightly OT I noted in the news, this Chinese cfo lady they’ve arrested, Canada has no less, for supposedly circumventing the Iran embargo. How goofy is that? They won’t secure our… Read more »

Random Dude on the Internet
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Random Dude on the Internet

Ship of Fools is a very impressive book. I normally dislike “pop politics” books that get pinched out by the likes of Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly but Ship of Fools is a rare exception. Even though I knew the facts and the situation with the west going into it, it still managed to rustle my jimmies a few times. Can’t recommend it enough.

dad29
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Carlson is a far more serious moral thinker (and classical conservative) than he is allowed to show on Fox, or than he shows through Daily Caller. His vigorous rebuke of Ben Shapiro’s position on importing vs. domestic-building of goods was just one example.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Yep. Here’s the link, it’s worth viewing to see a side of Tucker that he can’t show on Fox:

https://www.infowars.com/tucker-carlson-destroys-ben-shapiro-with-logic-and-reason/

JZs
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JZs

Carlson interview: https://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2018-49/artikel/trump-is-not-capable-die-weltwoche-ausgabe-49-2018.html Excerpt: How close to a revolution is your country? “…By revolution, let me be clear, I don’t think that we’re anywhere near an outbreak of civil war, armed violence between two sides for a bunch of different reasons… Testosterone levels are so low and marijuana use is so high that I think the population is probably too … What you don’t have, prerequisite fall revolution, violent revolution, is a large group of young people who are comfortable with violence and we don’t have that. Maybe that will change. I hope it doesn’t. I don’t want violence for… Read more »

Chaotic Neutral
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Chaotic Neutral

Yeah, that sounds basically pitch perfect to me. The only thing I would qualify is that, yes, there is a polarization between the states, but that’s superimposed on a deeper leftward movement of all states. Like galaxies may move relative to one another, but they are all expanding outward in the Big Bang pic of the universe.

Ursula
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Ursula

I read that Swiss interview with Tucker Carlson and wish it had been a little more in-depth and longer. I don’t know, I think we have way more violent young people than Tucker realizes; our culture and people have become very coarse. That’s what happens when you import 10s of millions of people from the third world for 50 years, including a healthy number of the criminal element. Also, I don’t think the powers that be will ever allow any states of the U.S. to secede. They want all the resources the existing territory of the U.S. has to offer.… Read more »

MAA Shyuejinn
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Not so off-topic!
The arrest was made at the very moment that Trump (unaware of what was going on) was meeting with Xi. Because Chinese nationalism is very much a factor, the Chinese leader would be left with no choice but to refuse to make any significant concessions. Putting Trump in the embarrassing situation of not knowing what his own government is up to could be a Deep State maneuver to torpedo the negotiations.

Ursula
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Ursula

Yes, it was diabolically clever — the arrest of the Chinese lady executive undermines Trump in his trade negotiations with China (as this offense to China is seen by many in the international community as a grotesque over-reach of our country’s laws) and at the same time Trump is not in a position to reverse it because being against Iran is what Israel wants. And Trump loves to serve Israel. Bolton is earning his pay as Trump’s minder for Israel. Frigging neocons. They’ll bring war on to the U.S.

Ursula
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Ursula

Chaotic Neutral: “Something slightly OT I noted in the news, this Chinese cfo lady they’ve arrested, Canada has no less, for supposedly circumventing the Iran embargo. How goofy is that? They won’t secure our borders, couldn’t stop a vast conspiracy like 9/11, but are policing the Iran embargo with a microscope, even to the point of offending a world power! Shows what the elites really care about, if you ask me.” Yep, we see proactive measures and real action when Israel is concerned. Absolutely the priorities of our elites are in serving the wants of Israel, at the cost of… Read more »

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I am not disappointed in Trump for the following reasons: 1. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and a couple of hundred lower court judges. 2. Elimination of the individual mandate. 3. We’re out of the Paris Climate Accord. 4. Out of Iran Deal. 5. Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. 6. Travel Ban. 7. Killed NAFTA. 8. ANWR, Keystone XL, Dakota Access Pipelines.Guantanamo Bay. To me these are all much-needed W’s for the dirt people, both practically and spiritually. In addition, there is his relentless fighting back against the establishment elitists, and the media, who hold most of the power and have been out… Read more »

Lance_E
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Leaving Paris and also killing the TPP – which you forgot to mention – are the two things that I actually credit Trump with, things that a Rubio or Cruz likely would not have done. [1], [2], [4] and [8] would have happened with any GOPe/Neocon stooge. [5] is boring – political capital spent for little reward. [6] was massively watered down in theory and only half-implemented in practice. And [7] just renegotiated a few things, with Canada trying to slip in an LGBT poison pill; not actually sure if they succeeded. Trump was better than the alternatives, but still… Read more »

Joachim
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Joachim

4. Out of Iran Deal. 5. Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. What has the West gained from either of these moves? The West’s primary enemy is the Western globalist neoliberal Money elite, who’s home base is Judeo-America. If Iran acquires the nuclear weapons that are required to gain one’s people a modicum of security, independence, and traditionalism (i.e. the opposite of American culture and social norms via restrictions on “individual liberty” and “free markets”), it will be the highlight of my month, it will be one more roadblock to a one-world global plutocratic dystopia, to the further expansion and empowerment… Read more »

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King Tut

Guys, I know that this is OT and hope you’ll forgive me for this but what are your views on this Qanon thing? Both Twotter and YouTube are infested with various “Q” accounts, interpreters, fans and followers and the general tenor seems to be that Trump has this clandestine “Q” team which is busy bringing down the deep state in the US and perhaps elsewhere too. Sounds fantastical to me but what do I know?

So, Is it a hoax? A psyop? Genuine? Any opinions?

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It has irritated me no end watching Trump waste his time and talents around trash like that Kardashian thing and her lump of coal. And there’s that weird basketball player. Whew! I can’t even remember the names of these ticks. Does Trump REALLY think this will help him with…who? Minorities? White suburban women? HOW?

House of Pancakes
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House of Pancakes

Nothing will happen, the Yellow Vests will accomplish nothing, because they will fail to target the real targets, and fail to address the real issues which require real attention. Their alleged list of alleged “demands” is already so silly and childish, they make BLM look like Marcus Aurelius. Just like the imbecile Tea Party, who dressed up in tricorn hats when they needed to dress up like Vlad Tepes, and mean it. No soup for you! This will be worse than nothing, because after the hissy fit is over and all the crankiness has been expelled, Mommy and Daddy will… Read more »

House of Pancakes
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House of Pancakes

SHOP CUSTOMER: Um, pardon me, but, I think there’s something wrong with this Monsieur Macron.

SHOP CLERK: Let’s have a look then, shall we? (SQUINTS) Ah, yes. His head’s been ripped off. I’ll get you another!

— every Monty Python sketch ever written

Whiskey
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Whiskey

Au contraire. Macron has lost the confidence of the security services, and has emboldened the Communists and Muslims into thinking they can seize power. At this point the FN could very well sweep various elections against the Muslim/Communist alliance. Leaving that as the choice for the Army and security services which already has a bad relationship with Macron. Macron has no real choice but to suspend elections semi permanently and rule by decree. Remember en Marche is hacked together org with no real loyalty or cohesion. And he’s running out of money to pay the vibrants not to riot. If… Read more »

sirlancelot
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sirlancelot

Funny how these so-called conservative / right wing blogs ( a lot of them linked together ) are starting to trash the president.

Infiltration of the movement indeed. Perhaps these blogs just act as a barometer for the Deep State .

” Brown people are bad “, okay

” Jews get a pass ” , huh ?

” The president is no good ” what ?

Love ya,man ! You make a lot of good points. Just can’t get on board bad mouthing the guy I voted for and continue to support.

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A. B

The minute Dick Armey sunk his claws into the Tea Partiers was the signal that movement was targeted for co-opting.