Happy Homelands

I was on with Frodi Midjord, RamZPaul and Tiina Wiik to discuss dissident politics on both sides of the Atlantic, as well as organizing for our future efforts. We had some technical issues with Google, so we went off-line for a while and then started over. Paul broke up the video into three parts and re-published them. The live stream service from Google seems like it has trouble every time I do one of these things. Maybe I give up some form of bad mojo that causes havoc on their servers.

I thought it was a good discussion. Frodi is a great guy, who has done great work in the Scandinavian countries. We need more sensible people out front talking about these issues. I think he made some good points, especially about people’s risk tolerance. If you think your people are worth preserving you do what it takes to accomplish it. On the other hand, I don’t think they have the challenges we have here in America with people being fired from their jobs for holding unpopular opinions. I could be wrong.

Otherwise, I think I did better on this than I normally do on these sorts of things. There is a skill to being a live streamer or a guest on these shows. I just don’t do it enough to be comfortable with it. Paul and Tiina do these shows all the time, so they make it look easy, but there is a talent to make it look natural. It’s why I have avoided getting into the video stuff to this point. I’d end up spending countless hours trying to figure out how to look normal rather than like I was making a hostage video.

Anyway, here is the show in three parts.

 

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Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Listening to Z on RamZPaul. Great stuff! It’s not going to do much good for people to lose their livelihood, even get killed over this. We don’t have the numbers yet to play Whak-A-Mole, but they are coming. If one of us gets sacrificed, it won’t be covered on the MSN. An early sacrifice may be useless….. at this point. Let’s go underground. Sprinkle those seeds like I did with the old Mormon gal. Aborting your 1 year old and Reparations Red Pilled her. Perfect opportunity and dumped a lawn spreader of seeds. This is rolling. As was pointed out,… Read more »

Da Booby
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“Slowly exhaust the occupier.”

Yes, or starve the parasites.

Support the official economy as little as possible. Work under the table when possible. Barter-exchange services (e.g. I’ll fix your plumbing if you tutor my kid in math, etc.) Shop at flea markets or garage sales, turn cash into assets instead of bank accounts. Explore living options is foreign lands. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Think Soviet-occupied Poland in the 70s and 80s.

Yves Vannes
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One big problem we face is how many of us actually are there? A few tens of millions? More? How many are explicit supporters but keep it hidden? 2016 Trump was implicitly campaigning as the white warlord. He won a majority of the white votes. How deep does that sentiment run in those voters? From the point of view of group biology probably pretty deeply. You don’t necessarily have to be a dissident to be a white nationalist. Being a nationalist is simply being normal. Do we actually need to red pill everyone or do we need clear lines of… Read more »

Hoyos
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Hoyos

Pugs are a pillar of any sensible political regime.

Sean Detente
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I’ll see a Cavalier or Brittany Spaniel (Setter) to your gas-bag pug any day, good sir!

EDM
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EDM

Great talk Zman, I am glad you are doing more of these appearances. My elevator pitch is ripped off directly from a gab comment of yours; “The great chain of causation is Biology->Culture->Institutions->Politics->Economics. If you get the biology wrong, everything else fails.”

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Case in point, Roger Stone may give speech at strip club. Maybe.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/broke-roger-stone-is-speaking-for-money-at-a-strip-club
They play for keeps.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Exactly, we need to understand war has been declared on us. The opposition has been telling us for years they want us dead and gone and are doing everything to usher that fate in. Free speech doesn’t really exist anymore except among known associates and often not in public at all. If you’re caught saying the wrong things in public the police won’t arrest you but you’ll be doxed and probably lose your job. Economic destruction is the West’s version’s of the gulag. I can’t see anyone wanting to be a visible alt-right leader unless they have don’t need to… Read more »

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I listened in real time, including the break for the Google screw up. I thought it was productive and I agree with your view. Something Europeans have difficulty grasping is the sheer size of the population here. A few years ago I looked at various European countries to compare with South Carolina, in which I both live and am native. My state has about the same population and land area as the Republic of Ireland and Scotland separately. South Carolina has a slightly lower population than Sweden, lower than Finland, but not by much. Really, only France, Germany, and England… Read more »

Maljovi
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Maljovi

Europe has a larger population than the US.There are sub-national municipalities in Europe with larger economes and populations than some of your states.

Ray
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Ray

OMG!!! Don’t fight back! Don’t rebel! Don’t resist! That would be BAD. They might take ma’ bass boat! I might lose my government check! Thank you Mr. and Ms. Federal Agent. We have more than enough bodies to wipe the combined forces of all the world’s governments from the earth. Federal shills and gutless nothings who have already surrendered there homelands to subhuman rape gangs have nothing of value to say in this matter. What we need more than anything are small groups of violent men who are ready and willing to kill for liberty. All others need not apply.… Read more »

dindu nuffin
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dindu nuffin

Screw our optics, Ray’s going in.

Oldltradesman
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Oldltradesman

None of us need say “screw the optics, I’m going in.” The enemy is more than happy to do that for us. If “Nameless” Christchurch shooters didn’t exist, for example, the opposition would create them. That is why this fear of optics is another conservantine no-winner that holds to their rules. The fact is the enemy will tarnish our image. We need to figure out what to do about it.

Apex Predator
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Apex Predator

Not disagreeing with you, but as someone who rather impulsively followed your logic to its ultimate conclusion I can tell you that is did NOT end well for me. I also find it infuriating how pussified and risk aversive the average western ‘man’ has become these days. The primary problem is, you either have to move en masse making it impossible for the politburo to start the round ups or you must simply be more subtle and infiltrate sort of like what Z is describing elsewhere here. The ‘direct approach’ is a one way ticket to either non-personification (my case)… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

@Apex
Glad you’re still with us Brother…Your situation is why I stress the building of Community before going to War… Preparing the battlefield will determine whether you win or die… Problem is people are still to comfortable to risk even their bread and circuses let alone their life and livelihood…

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I agree w Apex Predator, and basically also w Z. If you dont have a chance in an open fight or open forum, insisting on doing it this way is a sure way to lose. The other day I saw a drone video of a drone w night vision creaming a bunch of ISIS terrorists. In that situation ‘the good guys’ had the drones. But tactically I saw a weapons system, the drone, that made the 2A look, well, pretty impotent. You cant fight drones that hunt at night, from a distance, w your AR15, or your shotgun or glock… Read more »

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“. In that situation ‘the good guys’ had the drones.”

Really?

I thought it was the US and their tools.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

That’s a digression from my point. But however the hell ISIS came about, anyone who kills these [bleep] is defined as ‘the good guy’ in that exchange.

c matt
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c matt

The ultimate tactician of the left was not Alinksy, but Gramsci.

Vegetius
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Vegetius

The Norwegians involved in this thing seem more based than their neighbors. Obviously there are many answers to the Organization Question. Perhaps one answer is simply beginning to influence existing organizations, which are being held together by mostly very old people who are delighted whenever a smart young person shows up. Like anyone else, they want to see whatever they have spent their lives on outlive them. And their fresh-faced young successors have instant access to goodwill from the sorts of elderly ladies who exert more control over their communities than is often realized. The Sons of Norway might be… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

“On the other hand, I don’t think they have the challenges we have here in America with people being fired from their jobs for holding unpopular opinions. I could be wrong.” It varies from country to country, obviously better in Eastern Europe, Denmark probably better too compared to the US. But in Sweden, Germany and the UK whole different story. For starters no European country has the equivalent of the 1st amendment. That means you can make laws against hate speech and ‘racism’ and what have you. If things are bad in the USA thank your founders for the 1st… Read more »

Maljovi
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Maljovi

You have a point but I would say that as a European the explicit anti white racism in the US is on another level compared to any European country.
Affirmative action ,again, is only really starting in western Europe,even in countries you probably consider to be “lost”.

Maybe it’s because I’m a biased European but I don’t think speech protection or gun ownership are that important in comparison with the health of the general culture or the demography-if they were the US would not be as far down the road as it is.

Din C. Nuffin
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Din C. Nuffin

Frodi had a good idea. The ADL has tried to crush opposition to the Jews, CAIR is trying to do the same for the Muslims. Much of the progressive agenda has been supported by the ACLU for years. The Right needs an organization to do what the lawyer did for the Covington kid, sue the transgressions against them.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

Such organizations do exist, Alliance Defending Freedom is one of them. But the risk they take is that law schools and the profession are overwhelmingly leftist, and anyone that associates with SPLC-tagged ADF is putting a blacklist on their career. To a center-right law student with a six figure debt load, not gonna happen.

Being in the minority, there is a greater cohesion between various Jewish and Muslim sects. Among Christians, liberal Mainline Protestants view conservative Christians of various sects as the threat. The media eagerly promotes fem-pastor denominations as a way to promote division within Christianity.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Your statement assumes the existence of a fair and impartial judiciary, which sadly is no longer the case.

Ursula
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Ursula

Frodi is right — we definitely need a strong lobby to force change. The only thing our federal government responds to are lobbyists and their money, the lifeblood of corrupt Washington, DC. The lobbyists constantly woo our Congress and various institutions to fashion legislation and policies that serve their particular special interests. The insurance lobby is strong in DC, and they make sure the Congress embraces keeping the unneeded middlemen in American “health care.” The NRA represents well their members and have pretty good success in protecting 2nd Amendment gun rights, no small feat. We all know guns would be… Read more »

old vic
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old vic

The NRA is the closest thing we have to a white lobby with some numbers and teeth, that is largely considered acceptable by the normies. Seems a good place to devote resources.

Ursula
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Ursula

We should build a white lobby similar to how NRA is structured and make them a close ally. Other allies to pursue right off the bat in forming a broad coalition would be veterans organizations, targeting old and young soldiers, and traditionalists of all stripes, the masons, Knights of Columbus, etc. Police, firemen, churches.

Oldgit
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Oldgit

Re. Zman’s comment on Happy Homelands that the current (perennial?) conservative-progressive conflict was earlier played out in both the English and the American civil wars. Woodley of Menie opines (here, starting at 1:20:00, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcJYJNTvRTA ) that the English civil war was an ethnic war between haplogroups I1 (East-Anglian Vikings) and R1b (Celts), with victory going to the former. A couple of centuries beforehand the Wars of the Roses took place; they were a kind of rehearsal, although the result was different because the Lancastrian Celts beat the Yorkist Norsemen. The conflict was enacted for a third time in the American… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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Good post. I’ve read elsewhere that similar thinks went on in France between the Celtic Gauls and the Franks. Duke Odo(Gaul-Toulouse) did battle with Charles Martel(Frank-Tours)until they were both forced to unite in dealing with the Muzzies.

Oldgit
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Oldgit

My optimistic hope for the result of the next enactment of this conflict is that haplogroups I1 and R1b will reconcile and unite against haplogroup J1 and its miscellaneous mercenaries.

De Ferrers
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De Ferrers

Speaking of lunatics in the movement, whats up with paddy on ramzpaul? This person has always got some bizarre rant on catholicism going on every single paul show. I guess he has to read them because she/he actually donates to the show via superchat. It’s bizarre.

TomA
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TomA

Another perspective. Perhaps the house of cards will fall down before a rational repair movement can come up to speed and reverse course. Perhaps a rapid collapse unexpectedly occurs after decades of slow decline. Perhaps social chaos ensues and government is powerless to remedy the situation, or alternately, they make everything even worse as a result of heavy-handed reaction. Perhaps survivability once again becomes local, immediate, and founded upon personal wits and strength. Perhaps this results in a better outcome than either merging with or isolating from the parasites.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

Something I’d suggest doing would be to join a DSA organization if possible, to learn their superior organizing methods. On college campuses, they are far and above the most popular organization while TurningPoint sputters. If you’ve ever been publicly identified as being right-wing, obviously infiltration won’t work. Their model of dues-paying membership and local chapters stands in vast contrast to the failed sundry Tea Party orgs that showed up a decade ago.

oughtsix
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oughtsix

Please listen to Frodi at about 18:00 minutes into the first video. He speaks correctly, I think, to the point about “going underground” in the face of the assault on truth and speakers thereof by the left. He contends that we are winning and that we have them on the ropes, that these deplatforming and other measures are acts of desperation on the part of our enemies. They have shown their intent and nature and folks a re waking up to the threat they pose. Now is not the time to disappear but to turn up the pressure. Drive them… Read more »

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Pol Pot’s revolutionaries giving speeches at craters reminds me of a couple dissidents at a norimiecon site I read. Every time an anti-white story happens like Covington or Smollett they are there reminding everyone that our rulers hate whites.

Tom
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A couple of quick comments. One thing that each independent European Nationalist group has that we in America don’t, is a homogenous underlying identity. A white Swede at some level, thinks of himself as a Swede, however unfashionable it may be to do so. That identity makes them distinct from the Dutch, or a German. That is literally their ‘tribe’. In America, ‘European’ or ‘white’ isn’t a positive identity. Even you Z, make jokes about how we ‘aren’t going to be able to get rid of the Irish’. When a central tenet of a movement is about ‘exclusion’, jokes like… Read more »