Coalitions In Mass Democracy

Not so long ago, both political parties in the West had a strong hold on their members and controlled access to their ballots. If you wanted to be a Democrat, a Tory or a Christian Democrat, it required you to be a member of those parties. You had to be in good standing with party leaders. There was plenty of internal party politics, as that’s the point of party politics, but the parties themselves had firm borders. If you wanted to be in the party, it meant adhering to party rules and supporting the party.

Look around today and that’s no longer true. In the United States, both parties are devolving into loose affiliations of power centers. The Republicans have no control over the message, as members regularly contradict one another in public and they can barely perform the basics as a party. The Democrats are close to flying apart as the various tribes within the party put loyalty to the tribe ahead of the party. They may nominate for president someone who is technically not in the party.

In Europe, it is a bit different, as the parliamentary system allows for parties to break apart, forming new parties. Still, in Britain, Labor looks like a cult of personality around Jeremy Corbyn. The Tories are cracking into one camp of yesterday men clinging to ideas from the last century and a new camp around British independence. Then you have the party of Nigel Farage. No one really cares what his party is called or what sort of platform they are putting forth, as it exists as long as he exists.

Farage is a great example of what is happening all over the West. Politics in mass democracy inevitably devolves into coalitions around personalities, rather than factions based in group interests. The parties exist as vehicles for individuals, a legacy item from the era of factional politics. The system that is supposed to be the polar opposite of authoritarianism, ends up being a competition between little Napoleons, competing with one another in the mock warfare of politics.

One reason for this is that group interests are longer term, as they are generational, while individual interests are shorter term. Democracy rewards the here and now on an individual level, so an organizational model that is willing to sacrifice the now for later is always going to be at a disadvantage. It does not take long for someone within that organization to see the opportunity and promise to win now, thus elevating his status within the organization and eventually dominating it.

This was the case in Athens, where political parties never got going. Lacking a long republican period or a slow transition from monarchy, the Greeks went right to the full democracy phase. Granted, they did not allow women to vote, as the Greeks were smart, but they otherwise had a true democracy. Instead of parties, they had coalitions around an influential person. His followers would describe themselves as being with this person or that person, indicating the person leading a particular faction.

We see this happening in America, where both parties are unable to do much of anything when in power. The old-timers like Joe Biden lament the lack of cooperation between the parties, but what he is describing is the dysfunction within the parties. It’s no longer possible for either party to push through policy on party lines. On the GOP side, there’s always a jerk like Rand Paul to bugger up the works. On the Democrat side, the hard Left is always ready to subvert their own leadership.

Dissidents get mad at Trump for not doing what he promised, but a lot of his problems stem from the fact he keeps playing old party politics. He remains convinced that he has to get the Republicans behind his initiatives, through the game of horse trading among the factions. The same problem exists in the Democrat House, where Pelosi struggles to get anything done with a caucus made up of people that hate one another. Both parties are led by old people playing a game no longer relevant to this age.

In Europe, this decay of factional interest into cults of personality has an opportunity to flourish because of the parliamentary system. No one even cares what Macron’s party is called or that it even exists. In Germany, the old folks desperately clinging to power are simply Merkelists. In Britain, things are becoming more explicit as we have the Farage party, the Corbyn party and soon the Boris party, assuming he can avoid beating his girlfriend long enough to win the leadership race.

How this plays out in America is hard to figure, as forming new political parties has been made so difficult by the two main parties. There’s also the fact that America is continent sized country with lots of diversity. In fact, America is already a majority-minority country, when you take into consideration the diversity that exists within the white population. Then there is the fact that the ruling class is cramped into the tiny city on the Potomac, which is walled off from the rest of the country economically and culturally.

Of course, this leads us to the Roman example, where the Republic was dominated by a handful of powerful men. This rivalry eventually led to one of those men conquering his rivals and the republic. The Europeans may be headed to a non-violent version of the Crisis of the Third Century, a form of war-lordism, while America is headed to some form of non-violent Caesarism. Historical analogies are never perfect, of course, but the comparison is useful for seeing down the road for what comes next in the West.

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It seems America has a MSM party that is cohesive and stays on point. Not a direct vote in the legislature but a hell of a lot of influence. That, or the other way around, a support and media mechanism that provides cover and services for the Progs.

At any rate, we all have AOC that cute little brown freshman air head that provides the wisdom and leadership this nation so desperately need.

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Donkey Chompers is a harbinger of Numerican leadership to come. Latin American politics is either authoritarian or chaotic because she’s their “talented tenth.” African politics even more so. We do have an MSM party but they be slippin. My phrase of the day – the diversity tiger they rode to power will end up riding them.

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Exile, when I first read your comment, I thought you called AOC their “talented teeth” instead of their “talented tenth.”

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I wanted to thank you for today’s post. I’ve had this uneasy feeling about you for some time and I couldn’t put my finger on it, but today you made it clear to me that you are just another egotistical statist. Your constant bashing of libertarians should have been the clue, but I tried to hang in there. However, since in your opinion Ran Paul is a “jerk” and is “buggering up the works”, I am no longer interested in what you have to say.
Have a nice life.

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My natural urges are quite libertarian, but I cannot stand the urge of what seems to be the majority of Libertarians to regard perfectly good principles as some sort of suicide pact. There are many examples but among the most important today are: “My principles include freedom of movement therefore I must support the invasion of my country by millions of collectivist invaders who will destroy any chance for a libertarianish domestic government.” Rand Paul is one of these. “My principles include support for free enterprise, so I must stand by and voice approval while giant multi-national corporations manipulate government… Read more »

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Vizzini: Hear, hear. Well said.

Alzaebo
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Agree. Even libertarianism ain’t what it used to be.

Same with capitalism and party politics: blank slate multiculti kills all it touches.

Exile
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Exile

Proving Z’s point – this troll is a type-specimen for Rand Paul’s personality cult. As a recovering Ayn-bot, I can attest that no one who is genuinely committed to libertarianism as an ideology would take offense at criticism of Rand Paul. Ron had some legitimacy but Rand is an obvious triangulating grifter who has no ideological compass, merely a set of unconventional ideological poses he adopts when it’s situationally convenient. Advice for legitmate readers still clinging to the libertarian faith – keep reading this blog & ignore this trolling poseur.

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The number of recovering Randroids and Libertarians on this comments section gives me hope, as one myself. We really ought to form a support group. “Hi, I’m X, and I’m a libertarian. I hit rock bottom when I went into work one day and found myself training Pajeet, my replacement from India. After I was laid off, I tried telling myself that it was because of the the free market and I would just have to work twice as hard. Then I started reading John Darbyshire, and my road to recovery had started…”

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The Last Stand

Woke corporations and demographics made me realize that libertarian principles are suicidal on a societal scale.

Calsdad
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Libertarian principles – at least those espoused by what it seems are perceived as “libertarians” by most of the comment section here – only work if they are ALL adhered to. What I mean by that is: Ok – let’s have a free market and open borders. But people seem to completely forget that means ABSOLUTELY NO SOCIALISM OF ANY KIND. It also ABSOLUTE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP. Left tilting “libertarians” completely whitewash away those pieces of the puzzle. I used to have these arguments with friggin lefties ad nauseam as they constantly advocated for more and more immigration – as well… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Similar story here. Being creatively destroyed is the reddest pill. Taleb laments its “necessity” in Antifragile. I suspect he’d be Our Guy if he’d been diversified out of his options gig before Black Swan.

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Gauss

Yes, except he is at war with the IQ and doesn’t get hbd. Otherwise, he’s good.

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Around half your words are over 10 letters long. What’s the deal?

Compsci
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Ex-Lib here. Don’t be so harsh. The overall message is sound. Such seems to be a theme with many of Z-man’s postings—curt and pejorative references to competing ideas. My hope is that some day Z-man will come to understand that such vitriol adds nothing to his message and is most likely counter productive to his efforts (which I assume is to build a population of right-but free, thinking folk). Rand Paul is simply wrong, and an explanation of why would add to the message, rather than detract as his current dismissive reference has. Certainly leaving out his now obligatory slight… Read more »

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Compsci, you seem to be failing to grasp that this is war, and part of the reason the right has been losing for so long is their emphasis on being polite with people who want you dead, and your children in camps. One of the reasons I find Zman so refreshing is his willingness to call it like it is. I’ve been reading this blog for a very long time and I can tell you that very few other folks out there combine the thoughtful analysis, insight and wit as can be found here. I refuse to be polite with… Read more »

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Outdoors, I believe it is you that perhaps lacks understanding, to wit—in how to conduct such a war and in what this war is about—ideas. No one’s mind is changed wrt to an idea by simply demonizing it’s proponents. The idea is what must be discredited.

Similarly, movements are built/enlarged additively. Movements are purified subtractively. We seem to spend a lot time dissing the readers here, who are precisely the ones we need to educate, retain, and grow.

No one says you need be polite to anyone, but you do need to be civil to communicate effectively.

Outdoorspro
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Compsci, that is exactly why conservative, inc has been losing so elegantly and consistently for pretty much, ever. You go ahead and play nice, but I will not smile and nod at people who want me dead. Good luck with that.

Alzaebo
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Outdoors, twas the Conservatives who built all the tools for the Left to seize, and use. Today’s Left is largely a reaction to their utopian stupidities.

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I disagree – I find that Zman’s dismissive and callous attitude towards libertarianism is one of the things that has helped me the most in moving on from the mindset. Anger directed toward evil is a good thing, and libertarian me-me-me-centered philosophy is certainly evil.

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Badthinker, and just how did you learn that Libertarianism was wrong from the comment, “Rand Paul is a jerk”. What information was conveyed specifically about Libertarianism? How do I know more about such an idea? Well, I don’t—and neither do you. Rather what is conveyed—if anything—is that ex-Libertarians following this group are dopes for once having believed in Rand Paul—and via repeated dissing of Lib’s, seem cast into a void from which there is no redemption. At some point, I suspect ex-Lib’s will get the message that they are not welcome ala Grumpy above . A similar point I’ve made… Read more »

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I was deeply involved with the libertarian movement for many years. Now I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole. I remain in contact with many of my former colleagues and I can assure you that, in most cases, they have become indistinguishable from SJWs. It’s all about diversity, trannyism, open borders and…muh free trade…by which they mean stripping the west of its remaining industries and shipping them off to China. Admittedly, a few of them still do support RKBA but most of them now spend their active time bemoaning insufficient third-world invasion and screeching about “Trump’s tariffs”. Just as… Read more »

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Bad, the Z certainly does provide that kick in the azz. It’s like that 2×4 to get the donkey’s attention.

I pine for libertarianism, Constitutionality, local capitalism- but that means staying stuck in a nostalgic past, romanticizing the good old days.

Note to self: the past is, well, past.
It is what it is, now.

Calsdad
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I always perceived any libertarian values I held as a direct counter punch to the constant you must give give give or we will take take take – that I always got out of the left. The current trend of constantly saying ” give back” is what I’m talking about. It’s all I hear. Constant exhortations to “give back” Give back what exactly? Nobody showed up on my doorstep to help when I was humping my ass for 10 years to build my own house. They only showed up with a clipboard after it was done to re-assess and raise… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Z has explained his justified contempt for Rand Paul in the past. Nutshell version – Paul is another John McCain, striking a maverick pose for his own optics while undermining the actual interests of the people he pretends to represent, and somehow his alleged iconoclasm doesn’t ruin his chummy relationships with guys like Karl Rove.

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I’m still an old-style libertarian, as outmoded as a dinosaur. The idea of freemen has been crushed under the “private”-prison Right and the “public”-media Left.

Since our ethnically based Constitution is dead, so is honest libertarianism.

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Like many others I used to have a thing for Rand. That phase passed. In some ways she was right on the money, but totally missed the larger point. Her ideal society could only work if it were entirely composed of highly intelligent people with an enormous degree of personal integrity. Obviously few such people exist, and a group of them would do well regardless of the circumstances. I still consider myself somewhat libertarian, in the sense that if your personal life remains private and does not harm others, I don’t really care about it. I also find the libertarian… Read more »

Outdoorspro
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Outdoorspro

Oh no! Zman, it look like you lost yet another Libertarian! What ever will you do?

Compsci
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Compsci

Outdoor, Z-man will have one less follower, perhaps one less convert, and will be the poorer for it, not the better.

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George

Rand Paul and others who stood to not allow the President emergency authority to build the wall have shown us all who they are. Rand can stand on his virtuous platform of separation of powers all he wants but that position is not relevant when the country is being destroyed by invaders and little time left, if not too late already, to stop it. It always come down to people, supposedly on our side, wanting to play by the rules and fight fair vs those who will just beat you with baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire. The Rand Paul… Read more »

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Nathaniel Bell

I think many people have a fundamental misunderstanding of the NAP.

The fight started before anyone here was born. It’s not going to end in our favor by clinging to principles and dithering.

There are two states of existence: life or death. There is no honor in choosing death. I speak from personal experience.

It’s like that old saw about Christianity: by all means, turn the other cheek, but because God only gave you two, the second time you get smacked deck the bastard.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

May your job be outsourced by a corporation, your children sold drugs, and read stories by drag queens.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

“May you live in interesting times.”

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Brutally effective response. I’d only add, “May you become unemployable when you object.”

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Hey now, my drag queen children have good jobs selling drugs for the corporation!

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“…while America is headed to some form of non-violent Caesarism”

The violence has already started and everybody is fanning the flames. No one is trying to quench this fire

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I hope I am wrong, but at this point it seems the violence is guaranteed. The question is,what form will the destructor take? Organized and state directed like the Chicoms, full on Bosnian, or something in between?

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Don’t be discouraged. Violence is a given. Peace always leads to war

Exile
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Exile

Look at the history of political violence in postwar Europe through the 80’s and in America during the 60’s-70’s. We’re seeing an upswing but we’ve been through worse before. My dad had a side-job at the local college patrolling for Weatherman-style firebombs, vandalism etc… back in the day.

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Agreed but back in the 70s the percentage of people involved in that kind of activity was very small. Today, the percentage of people that want to use violence is a significant fraction of the population and in some cases entire cities are lost. They just haven’t gotten to the bombs yet.

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Not so much. This is a typical dissident talking point, but it doesn’t appear to be the case when you consider just how much more violent prior decades were in the US and how political turmoil in both parties has been much worse to boot; this is including the assassinations of primary candidates, riots outside conventions, flagrant stealing of nominations, etc. While there certainly are violent parties involved, eg. Antifa, they’re deployed as irregulars for some collection of establishment interests or a deep wing of the DOJ, probably both. Their job isn’t simply going door to door attacking anyone to… Read more »

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By comparison the USA of the past was relatively homogeneous. I don’t believe we can use it as a reference for future forecasts any longer. Violence comes in many forms other than direct force on force conflict. Perhaps you are correct, and the state will maintain a monopoly on violence like the Soviets, but this is violence none the less. Or perhaps we will see long term IRA style resistance to the state as an occupying force. There are a myriad of possible outcomes based on our current trajectory. Right now, I can’t see any of the peaceful ones as… Read more »

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DLS

Political violence is still homogeneous. Antifa is white and so are their targets. Blacks just mindlessly kill each other in the streets for no reason.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

For all the time we waste on Antifa, I have come to the conclusion they are primarily a distraction rather than a serious paramilitary group. I base this conclusion on the following points of data. 1. They predominantly appear in left-wing strongholds where they have tacit permission from the authorities. 2. Watching footage of Antifa, I have seen individuals wearing safety vests standing in their groups. These persons seem to act as handlers. Due to their method of dressing coupled with basic mob psychology, it would also be easy to insert a few professionals dressed as common Antifa to teach… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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Street theater like those idiot puppets and Antifa is part of how Leftists movements retain solidarity and give themselves an oversized public presence

It seems stupid to us conservatives but it works, or well worked to some degree for them in the past anyway

Things seem to be shifting now though and I have no idea what will come.

Issac
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Issac

Boomers will die quietly complaining and their descendants will either cower or flee due to being outnumbered and outgunned by a combination of the state itself and all the other tribal gangs that the state allows because they primarily attack and antagonize one another and aren’t white enough to be a threat. I base this prediction on how every other white minority population has behaved ever.

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I keep wondering how the warlord-ism will manifest itself in my neck of the woods. Its been a stable polity for so long, with a general sense of communitarianism since the state’s founding at the beginning of the 19th Century that it would take a social upheaval that is so dramatic for this too occur.

Back to thinking…

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Range Front Fault

Can see some possibilities in Utah for the violence triggering mechanism. Building up….city council of Provo voted to allow LGBT wierdos on floats in the 4th July parade. Virtue signaling! Prediction…Cedar City will shortly go down that path. Wish I’d moved to Panguitch smaller town early on. The fall is relentless. Second Dead Becky at U of U Logan in a year this week. Those young women are so brain washed by feminists, they have no common sense…no survival instinct….vibrant men are “exotic”…they’re on their back in 2 seconds and murdered. The 1st Dead Becky one was on her back… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Still time to move sister but you should be looking North 😉

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

The time may come!

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Don’t you think the Church will schism first? I’m a Catholic and I realize that while local Catholics tend to be conservative nearly everywhere they remain loyal to Rome even though it’s now run by gays, sold out to the internationalist Left, and now trawling Africa for priests. Will the LDS rank and file go down that same path so willingly or will the American church breakaway?

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Just spitballing here, but those Catholic priests and Protestant ministers in other lands tend to be a lot more conservative than the ones you find in the Vatican or here in the U.S. Could be popcorn and beer time watching how all that plays out. The LDS could get boomeranged by all that international stuff, when it all goes back to borders, language, and culture, led by the wards in other places.

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Range Front Fault

“The LDS could get boomeranged by all that international stuff, when it all goes back to borders, language, and culture, led by the wards in other places.” Please elaborate…just not following your argument. The LDS church has more members outside the US than inside, so their interests lie outside…follow the money from the outside. The members outside the US, who come from mostly Marxist-lite countries, won’t care a rat’s tooshie what happens here as long as their temple toilet is clean and church doctrine is printed and distributed. Utah has deep LDS history, but we are expendable if push comes… Read more »

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Dutch

RFF, the international churches may split away from the U.S. side, eventually. My point is that the U.S. congregations and denominations are waaay more liberal, generally, than those of the rest of the world. Some of the mainline churches are seeing the splits now, with the international churches telling the U.S. side they can have their gay stuff and their women ministers, but don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out. I don’t know how it eventually plays out, but the international churches are generally much more important to their congregants than the U.S. ones… Read more »

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Now I understand. Good point. The irony is LDS is going squishy, too. Next will be baptising homosexuals to keep the pews filled here in the states with gays and millennials. Don’t know how that will play in Brazil or Africa, but doesn’t sound like something they’ll go for. You know the joke…or is it….the Episcopal Church is just a large dating service for gays and lesbians. Hell..the Episcopal church here in town is run by crop haired lesbians. Hmmm…maybe the international LDS may eventually split from the stateside LDS. ” to be replaced from abroad by more conservative, non-white… Read more »

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Range Front Fault

The Church very recently has now allowed children of gays/lesbians to be baptized. You know where this is going. The cognitive dissonance in LDS land is growing. Civil war has not yet broken out nationally…. the church ain’t splitting yet. My opinion is the LDS Church will parallel the Catholic Church UNTIL the church hierarchy is pushed against the wall by the Imperial Capitol over tax exempt status. The split will come when the Church gets threatened, steps out of the way and throws its members in the Intermountain West under the bus, again probably over gun control. Meaning our… Read more »

King Tut
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King Tut

“The Dead Beckys”. Must add that to my file of potential band names.

Nigerian
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Nigerian

Set up a cryptocurency account old man

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Hahahahahahahaha

Yeah – cryptocurrency – because you want the globohomo left to literally be able to track every move you make.

Excellent idea.

Dutch
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Dutch

1. “Send me all your money and I will put it in a safe place where only you and I can access it”.

2A. “Who are you? Never met you before in my life, buddy”.

2B. “The number you are calling has been disconnected and there is no new number”.

P.S. “Nigerian” is suggesting cryptocurrency. I laugh.

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Barring a grand collapse or civil war that remakes the entire map ,our future caesars/leaders–as was seen in Rome–will keep the empty husk of the republic and don it when necessary. If it comes to it, we will still have a House, Senate, SCOTUS, Muh Constitution, all of it. But they will be drained of power and/or have power only insofar as the neo-Sulla/Caesar grants them power.

As someone who desires the explicit survival of my kind, I would prefer a harder break with past political forms to a continuation of the American multi-ethnic empire under autocratic rule.

BadThinker
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Aren’t we already doing that? The state is run by the bureaucracy, not the politicans. Trump is proving that. Our civil service is thoroughly corrupt. The idea that you can appoint a few political folks to the top jobs and assume that the rank and file will do what they ask is silly.

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Alex

Agree. The expression of power will come from the public sector through the “private sector” in order to maintain the charade. The modern Informational-Industrial Complex is unlike anything seen in human hstory, and has still to be determined effect on how societies will change and form.

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It reminds me of an essay I read on the account of a Roman patrician, Rutilius Namatianus, leaving (or perhaps abandoning) Rome in 416. He describes perplexing details along the way as he travels to his estates in Gaul – fields reclaimed by forest, roads rendered impassable by decay or infested with bandits, harbors silted up and deserted – and can’t quite understand what is happening. Rome seems so permanent; as the writer says, “there still were Roman Emperors, there still was a Roman Senate, there still was the city of Rome, perhaps still the largest town in Western Europe.… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Dr. Mabuse, this I gotta read.
Half the population of the known world died when the Roman trade roads fell.

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Gotta cite for that?

I think it’s far more likely that the ability to conduct a census died rather than people.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Bile, Orson Scott Card, an LDS writer, posted an article about the toll of the trade collapse some years ago on his personal blog.

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A.B Prosper

That is something people like you will have to make happen likely by force. This is not a technical problem, the US isn’t that robust anymore and our military while large isn’t large enough to stop anything in scale and there are plenty of people like you in it or who were former members anyway. This really is a social problem since Conservatives want peace, prosperity and order tend to be risk averse and in the US overly individualistic This makes organizing the kind of event that ends up “anyone 13 and over on the other side runs like hell… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Pain will be the only motivation that gets conservatives to actually do something productive…On the Libertarian front I used to be one until I realized that around evil men it will get you enslaved or dead… Libertarianism only works if there is no evil men/women around otherwise it causes death and destruction…If good men don’t band together then evil men will run amuck…Still waiting on that thought to strike home…

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Then you missed a crucial piece of the libertarian puzzle: the absolute right to defend oneself (within moral bounds – usually defined by Christian based principles) – as well as the absolute right to band together with other like minded men to defend themselves and their property against those who would do evil. The modern leftist state has bred this idea out of people’s heads so thoroughly that the states like MA used to legally enshrine the principle that you cannot defend yourself under almost any circumstances – into law. Defend yourself = prosecution and imprisonment. In MA you were… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Ha, A.B., the idea that people acting normally “will destroy society!” is the usual Conservative canard.

Exile
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Exile

Increased diversity inevitably leads to less political trust and less effective/competent institutional control, both in terms of policy and personnel. Catabolic collapse seems much more likely than simple fiscal collapse on our present, seemingly unalterable downward spiral. The division of Red Team-Blue Team into personal fiefdoms is an unavoidable outcome. The diversity tiger will end up riding both parties. The de facto disintegration of the two-party system is a great prospect for us and something we should be gas-canning at every opportunity. At the same time, we need to come together, integrating as they disintegrate. To form an effective community… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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Catabolic collapse seems to be an absolute certainty in the long term, Population figures and resource use suggest the US of 2200 will look like 1900 more than a Space future

Stil one purpose of a revolt would be to buy a few centuries more for a possible breakthrough though its pretty unlikely ti happen

Lineman
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Lineman

Agree completely glad more people are seeing the light…It’s so simple the cavemen did it because they knew it was a life and death choice…Most haven’t realized that yet but they will… Hopefully it’s not to late for them or their prodigy when they do…I hate seeing someone suffer when they didn’t have too…

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Official Bologna Tester

Dear Exile. I just noticed you post. Who has been using the term “Catabolic” as a metapher for civilizational, societal or cultural collapse? This is the first time I’ve encountered it. What am I missing here? Does this mean somebody thinks that in the future white people are going to lose the ability to digest Big Macs?

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Obviously, nobody gets my sense of humor.

Lineman
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Lineman

@,OBT
I laughed when I read it😂👍

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Thank you Lineman! Your a man of charm and wit. 😀

Karl
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Karl

“The Europeans may be headed to a non-violent version of the Crisis of the Third Century, a form of war-lordism, while America is headed to some form of non-violent Caesarism.”

Why did you write “non-violent”? Why don’t you think that the violent forms are more likely?

Marko
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Marko

I would think the US is due for some breaking-up myself, but our military-financial complex would not allow that. Fort Sumter Part II would end not in civil war but a Caesarian military dictatorship lording it over the whole “united” states. In this way I agree with Z. As for “non-violent”, I really don’t think there’s an appetite for rebellion. Maybe as late as the 1980s, when there was still a large majority of patriotic whites, we might’ve had a Jeffersonian revolution. But now we’re just an economic confederation so as long as people are comfortable with their superhero movies… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

Great column; one technical note: in the Continental system, it’s not just that you have to be a card-carrying member to be able to vote for party candidates, but in parliament, members always vote as they are told by the party – unlike the US, where Congress critters regularly vote across party lines. What this stability means in practice, is that parties can form coalitions on single issues spanning several election periods, effectively taking the subject in question off the table for future assemblies, even if the power balance shifts. People from two-party systems often believe that multi-party systems can’t… Read more »

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Official Bologna Tseter

Our masters are numerous and not even slightly under our control. The permanent state, the military industrial complex, the federal reserve system, local and state government, the tech industry, not to mention who knows how many NGOs. The list is long and depressing and this one is far from compleat. So be involved in all the politics you like, it’s what humans do. But just remember, liberty and government are two different things. And the machine always want’s you to play the game by it’s rules. freedom equals independence and self reliance. Here’s a quote from Marshall McLuhan about modern… Read more »

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

The winner takes all and regional voting aspects of our system prevent serious alternatives to the major parties. This amps up the tensions between and within various factions. The last time the parties shattered, we had a war between the states.

Compsci
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Compsci

Last Stand, agreed. Which is why we need to work to take over one of the parties. Barring a major change to the Constitution, we have a winner take all contest between two entities and always will have. That the old Dem’s lose control to a fractious bunch of new Dem’s doesn’t change the system. It just means they fight it out in Congress and work out their differences there.

Of course, the above tacitly implies a political solution to concerns voiced in this group, not necessarily a shared belief held here.

Yves Vannes
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“Democracy rewards the here and now on an individual level, so an organizational model that is willing to sacrifice the now for later is always going to be at a disadvantage. ” Team YT has been the only one to play this game at the individual level. Not everyone but enough have. This is why we have been overrun by parasites. Every other tribe uses our institutions to game us into a position of institutional inferiority…and too many of our tribe still don’t get it or can’t let go. Grumpy’s comment above is the perfect example: he knows things are… Read more »

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Yep. The Enlightenment totally disregarded centuries of experience re the primacy of ethnic identity and group preferences in exchange for individualism run amok. Add in the economists of that age and voila! Homo economicus is born – totally fungible, totally free of community roots and ties and responsibilities. Add in equalitarianism – that damned leveling instinct that overthrows all natural hierarchies – and you have today’s average White – not merely in America or even the Anglosphere, but throughout what used to be known as Christendom.

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From conservative to randian to libertarian to dissident right. Quite the journey. Where to go from here. Damned if I know.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

I was a mainstream Republican for quite (17 and up ) while leaning Paleocon than was a bit of a Left Libertarian though I’ve been consistently anti immigration since forever.

Having seen the effects of too much personal and corporate liberty does in the hands of idiots , I shifted and am now an authoritarian nationalist which is I suppose a harsher Paleocon I guess

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You like too much liberty in the hands of the authoritians, like Cameltoe Harris, Dickie Cheney, John Bolton, John “I was and always will be a Bolzhevik” Brennan, James Fibber Flapper Clapper, and the fake orange headed grifter who has filled the swamp with the ((( swampiest of swamp creatures ))).

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Not the same thing at all. There is a huge difference between “My Dissidents in Charge.” and “Neo Cons.” in charge And to your earlier point about being rescued. Not even. I want to my side to make the State that best suits what we want. Revolution whether political or forceful are group activities anyway, individuals tend to be speed bumps for both sides. In the end the big grift is over, either the left (R and D) will bleed you dry or the Dissident Right will force you to behave in a civilized ethical and low corruption fashion. Pick… Read more »

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Vegetius

Libertarianism is intellectual syphilis, a seductive misunderstanding of human nature, another little tin god that failed, perhaps the ultimate expression of If-My-Aunt-Had-A-Dickism. If you have pissed away your life embracing this horseshit, don’t be angry at those who illuminate your own intellectual failure. Instead be thankful they are here to deliver you from error. I know it is really hard for some of you boomers to accept responsibility for anything, but maybe, as the sun sets on your generational failure, you can swallow your pride and surprise us all with an example of humility and grace, something the rest of… Read more »

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Official Bologna Tester

Dear Vegetis. Spitting on libertarians is pointless. And boomers are not a unified force marching in lock-step. And “seductive misunderstandings of human nature” are par for the course. Here’s a seductive misunderstanding. Thinking we can change the beast by playing the politics game or the protest game. We face a globalist progressive monster 300 hundred years in the making. Our hope is for the future. White people face a long hard struggle filled with pain and sacrifice and nobody living today will see the work accomplished. Learn from your enemies. How did they swallow up nearly the whole freaking west… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

intellectual syphilis! Ouch.

dj3way
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dj3way

ZMAN, I don’t care what you say, the memelords need to make marianne williamson happen.

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Republics turn into empires almost every time. Once an empire is in place, the dispersed power model of Republicanism begins to break down. When political or economic chaos arrives, people lose faith and look for leadership. Believe me, there is a Sulla in our future.

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

When the mass progressive coalitions finally get a woman in the oval office, that will be the hair pin turn ( no pun intended ) at the end of the tracts.

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Billhilly

It would probably take losing a war and the recriminations that followed to get the military to a point where a Sulla or Ceasar could get enough hold on it to use it to gain control.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

That is a scenario that could happen. The combat arms are overwhelmingly white and male.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Not for much longer if the Left gets in power. Also it might be better for the Dissident Right to stop assuming a military dictatorship will save us. It may well be up to us to save ourselves or to be that dictatorship Frankly as scary and bad this sounds it is also a glorious opportunity to build what we want without compromising much with Leftists An uncompromising Right Wing place built with populism and a paternal concern for our own citizens well being would be a nice place to raise kids, clean quiet and orderly with enough freedom it… Read more »

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A.B. Prosper. That was an amusing comment. Not saying silly or wrong. Just funny. You ever watch The Walking Dead series from AMC? There was a town like the nation you’re envisioning. The town leader was shown as a strangely normal psycho. He led the town with the iron hand you mentioned. If you’ve seen it, he’s the guy who kept heads in aquarium-like vessels. He was an interesting character. “The Governor”. The viewer came to sort of understand his ruthlessness. Season 3. For dissidents who are into apocalyptic/dystopian scenarios, the first 6 or 7 seasons of Walking Dead are… Read more »

King Tut
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King Tut

Oh hark at all this strife and hand-wringing. Relax and enjoy these exciting progressive times. We’ve even got gay penguins now! What could be better? Pozzed wildlife.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-48785095?fbclid=IwAR0QPrHv6l72LF44KhkdwpmZgdLbRVDuLw_ijjcA7S9uzqZWIsgjdL8LQIY

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Tolken Cimmerian
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Trump is trying trying trying to give the GOP an opportunity to ride his coattails and ditch the GOPe. The party is resisting tooth and nail. Should Trump win re-election he won’t need to continue trying to save the GOP from itself. That will be fun to watch.

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LineInTheSand

It’s hard to know, but it looks to me more like Trump is servicing the GOPe.

Trump just wants to be liked by the largest audience. Before the election, that audience was non-liberal whites. After that, Jared/Ivanka convinced him that he could be liked by the establishment. He has no convictions.

I’m glad he was a wrecking ball against the establishment, but now he’s trying to rebuild what he knocked down, hoping to be praised by those who hate him.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Proof positive here that the conservatives would never, ever admit to their crimes against the social interest, stubborn stupidity, or willful blindness to the damage they were causing… just like their Leftist brethern.

So the question becomes, could the Romans or anyone have forseen the Middle Ages?
Our glorious future isn’t going to be HBO’s “Euphoria”, is it?

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