Self-Loathing As Medicine

At the national conservatism conference, a recurring theme of the speeches was the awfulness of identity politics. The speakers would not get into the details, beyond noting it made unifying the country impossible. There were no references to black identity or the variety of group identities coming from the grievance studies departments. They would just refer to it in the same way that people refer to drug taking of drunk driving. That is, these are obviously immoral things that good people know to avoid.

The thing is though, this sort of talk only occurs in front of white people. Despite all the invective aimed at people on the dissident right, about their alleged racism, there was not a lot of diversity at the conference. A back of the envelope count says it was 65% white, 30% Jewish and 5% other. It may have been more Jewish than that, but not every Jew wears a yarmulke. Regardless, there may have been one black person and a few dozen people of mysterious origins. No a lot of vibrancy.

In other words, despite the hooting about white racism, the room was full of white people, who spend most of their time around white people or fellow whites. The typical black person experiences vastly more diversity in his daily life. Even the emotionally crippled women of the gender studies department get more diversity. The point being, Joe Sobran’s line about liberals applies to the various types of conservatives and now these newfangled national conservatives.

Putting that aside though, the typical white person in America really and truly does think identity politics is a bad thing. They look at the alternatives to the bourgeois civic nationalism of their lives and see that it is a shabby alternative. In fact, non-white identity politics can only exist where white people are in sufficient numbers to keep the water flowing and the lights working. That’s because identity politics is actually just anti-white politics. It is an entirely negative identity.

No public white person would dare say such a thing, but that’s the truth of it and more and more white people are waking up to it. The old paleocons can pearl-clutch this stuff all they like, but there is no turning back from it. Lecturing white America on the dangers of identity politics is now getting people killed. The only responsible thing to say in front of a white audience on the subject is the truth. What animates the new faces of the Democrat party, for example, is a hatred of white people.

Of course, one reason why the people railing against identity politics do so exclusively in front of white audiences is they fear this truth settling in on whites. That’s why tirades against white nationalism often coincide with the tirades against identity politics. They are two sides of the same coin, which is a fear that whites will begin to see their collective interests as primary. If in the next election whites vote their skin, Trump wins a fifty state landslide and 70% of the popular vote.

At the risk of over-making the point, these lectures to whites about identity politics are more insidious than they seem at first blush. The temptation is to assume it is just bourgeois white people extolling civic nationalism, by criticizing anything that undermines civic unity. Alternatively, it is a way for these people to puff out their chests and declare that it is the Democrats who are the real racists. Even today, this is a wildly popular tick among the civic nationalist types.

There’s something more important about these lectures. They are built on the assumption that the worst of all identity politics is white identity politics. Blacks embracing their racial awareness is not only ignored, but often celebrated by the same people fretting over white identity. Jewish identity, of course, is the greatest of all possible things. A multi-million dollar celebration of it was just staged in the capital, along with hundreds of media people, marched in to report on it.

White identity, well, that’s the worst and that’s why these lectures against identity politics never happen in front of non-whites. David French does not spend his days going to colleges demanding they junk their black studies departments. The boys at various Koch Brothers rackets are not going to the grievance studies departments, holding seminars on the dangers of identity politics. Instead, rants against identity politics are only aimed at white audiences, because white identity is what they fear.

When you witness this stuff up close, it is hard not to get angry about it and develop a deep loathing for the people behind it. When a Tucker Carlson does a bit on the evils of identity politics, one has to wonder if he is really an asset. To perpetuate white self-loathing in an age of racial politics and minority-majority demographics is to invite terror upon white people. To anathematize whites in order to prevent white identity is to counsel the victim to just like back and take it.

In fairness, a lot of the hooting about identity politics from civic nationalists is just alienation dressed up as nostalgia. They feel the same loss the rest of us feel for an America that is never going to return. Those on this side of the great divide have come to terms with it and seek to build a new identity that provides community and a sense of purpose. The civic nationalist just wallow in the self-pity and nostalgia. They are the new flagellants, who think more self-harm will solve the problem.


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the Russians
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Stereotypes are bad but I would have all the marbles in less than 4 rounds if I always bet on them. betting on white is verboten…. And don’t forget it.

danjackson@att.net
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There are no taboos left, except for criticizing women, homosexuals, blacks and Jews

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Z’s experience at this conference parallels my own in becoming racially aware. I am predisposed to be an atomized individual but I couldn’t ignore that most non-whites are tribal and attack whites and are celebrated for it, while whites are excoriated for the same.

I have loved ones who boil with anger when they see a white family with three children due to “overpopulation” but feel compassion for an unmarried black mother with six kids.

You may not be interested in race but race is interested in you.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Richard Spencer joins with “The Squad” and the GOPe in sniping at Trump on CNN over Trump’s “racist Tweets,” while both the Far Left and Far Right screech about Zionists controlling everything and everybody. We will find out in 2020 just how fast the “DR” is growing – if it’s growing at all – and if Whites have the intelligence and fortitude to deal with the coming catastrophe. So far there is no evidence for optimism. Note to American Jews and International Progressivists everywhere: You created this monster and it is coming for you. Only this time there will be… Read more »

Federalist
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Federalist

Carl B, since you mentioned Richard Spencer and CNN and I didn’t know what was going on, I looked on the internet. I found that Spencer has a twitter account. Twitter hasn’t de-platformed him? Maybe they need him to play the part of cartoon Nazi. I remember in one of his podcasts Z talked about David Duke playing the part years ago on Face the Nation (or some similar show).

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

Twitter’s official policy is to allow White Nationalists to have twitter accounts if they don’t break the rules. They are studying the problem. “Twitter is conducting in-house research to better understand how white nationalists and supremacists use the platform. The company is trying to decide, in part, whether white supremacists should be banned from the site or should be allowed to stay on the platform so their views can be debated by others, a Twitter executive told Motherboard.” Spencer hardly came off badly in that CNN clip, the whole clip was hilarious and sort of intriguing but he was a… Read more »

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

The 2020 election doesn’t necessarily tell us much about the growth of the dissident right, because the dissident right is split on Trump.

The less sophisticated people are strongly pro-Trump but the more you understand politics, the easier it is to see that Trump is a conman, many of his strongest 2016 supporters no longer support him.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

If politics is power who should we support?

We will quite fail looking for purity in politics. Or in men.

Trump is anything but empty words of course but he’ll never be enough for those who demand all, and usually risk nothing.

rented mule
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rented mule

less sophisticated sure Ill admit that, who or what is the alternative? yang? Tulsie?
As for me I’ll go with someone that could win and will push the window further right or at least hold it in place. At this point that is Trump, conman yeah ok but I don’t care… muh principals.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

I think the biggest challenge to those on the dissident right is that there are many whites that practice identity politics, but only unconsciously through behavior, and will never, ever, say so out loud. Evangelicals, for example, are busy building megachurches in wealthy white suburbs of the major cities, far away from Diversity, while at the same time sending folks down to the Ghetto, and across the ocean to Haiti or Africa to help the poor benighted black folk. They would recoil at being called racists, but their kids go to 90% white / 10% east/south Asian schools. The big… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

The only Jews that I’ve met who are against immigration live in parts of Northern Virginia that have seen a big influx of Chinese and Indians. Hispanic immigration meant nothing to these guys, but as soon the Chinese and Indians showed up in their neighborhoods and challenged their kids at school, the Jews suddenly became immigration hawks.

hth
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hth

I don’t know anything about them fancy Jews in Northern Virginia, but as a Jew from NYC, I’ve always detested foreigners and immigration. Viscerally. I grew up with foreigners all around because that’s just the way things are in a “diverse” city. The real awareness came one day in the late ’80s when someone mentioned the risks of going into a Dominican neighborhood and I thought “Gee, we’ve had enough trouble with PRs since before I was born, why are we bringing these people in?” That meant things were getting worse and they have gotten a lot worse since then.… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

NY/NJ Jews definitely seem different than NoVa Jews. NoVa Jews, like NoVA gentile whites, are generally rich snobs with no understanding of the real world, which their parents’ money has allowed them to avoid.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

I’m in NJ and once remarked to a Jewish friend that one of the reasons why Jews are liberals is because Jews tend to be affluent and so can escape the consequences of their purported idealism. She agreed with me.

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c matt

This + 1000 for Good Whites. All the liberal whites I know live in high rent districts to avoid the diversity they champion. Their exposure doesn’t go beyond quaint restaurants.

Penitent Man
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When you ask folks why they love the diversitah you usually get one of three answers.

“Well my nail lady, Minh Wu is so nice…”

“Well we don’t have a culture and they do, I think it is so neat…”

“I just love all the ethnic restaurants…”

It’s the last one that gets me and it might have been Z that said it and made me laugh “Giving away your birthright for things that you can put in your mouth? What are you, a toddler?”

King Tut
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King Tut

“Well we don’t have a culture and they do, I think it is so neat…”

People have come to regard “culture” as food and dancing.

Dr. Mabuse
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Dr. Mabuse

The famous old story referred to this as trading one’s birthright for “a mess of pottage”. And how well did that turn out in the end, once the yummy stew was all eaten up and the will was read leaving the short-sighted brother on the outside?

Vegetable Soup
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“as a Jew from NYC, I’ve always detested foreigners and immigration.”

Nice as I’m sure you are, you don’t seem to understand: /you’re/ a foreigner too.

“why are (((we))) bringing these people in?”

You’ve spoken more truly than you know. And sorry, but you know /exactly/ why you’re bringing these people in: as weaponized shock troops and corrosive elements to wear down and destroy the Americans, I mean the goyim.

Dombey and Son
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Think of how pleasant, uncrowded and liveable NYC would be if it were not for the foreign mudslide: without all the PRs, DRs, Mexicans, Salvadorans, Africans, Chinese, Mohammads and dots. Think of how much space they take up, how much housing stock they consume, how many schools they pack to bursting, how many hospitals they overcrowd, how much cultural dissonance they cause, how much social noise they make, how much they drain social services which were intended for Americans. Imagine how easy it would be for young White American couples to start a family in NYC, (virtually impossible now), get… Read more »

hth
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hth

It’s a 1st Amendment country, so if you want to believe that the Jews have hypnotized the world and that’s why everything’s gone to shit, you go right ahead. I’m not stopping you.

UpYours
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UpYours

Yes it would be filled with red blooded patriotic White Americans with unicorns flying out of every white ass.

BTW, the biggest pushers of multiculti are…whites
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/19/white-liberals-driving-democrat-partys-immigration-platform/

But hey, if directing your impotent rage against them eeeeeevil “mud-races” makes your useless ass feel better, have at it.

Elder Son
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Elder Son

“/you’re/ a foreigner too.”

Prove that you are an original, a direct descendant of “our and our posterity”, and I won’t call you a foreigner.

george
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george

You sound like an American to me. HTH.

HTH
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HTH

I’m an unapologetic, crazed, nativist xenophobe.

Marko
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Marko

Makes me think of the Jews in the Netherlands. Their jewelry businesses have recently been overtaken by the Hindus. Womp-womp.

hth
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hth

Employees of or contractors with the Federal octopus.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

One of the reasons why Blacks almost always vote for the Dems. They either are or wish to be government employees.

UpYours
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UpYours

Just like the white suburban cucks, employing cheap foreign labor is cool when I do it, but when Microsoft does it, it becomes bad. Hypocrites all. If you go to slashdot or mashable the four-eyed science cucks keep chumping on about OrangeManBad and how poor widdle Mexicans should be given carte-blance rights to live in the US and how they soooo smart that offshoring and automation will never be a threat to them unlike them dumb white Trump voters. I call the slashdot science monkeys “H1B fodder”, it really triggered them. Until the day they meet their H1B replacement. The… Read more »

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Having their job outsourced to a Hindu from Bombay tends to do wonders.

Same with their schools their children attend being flooded with 3rd worlders. Even the Mexicans here don’t like it.

Finding their parks taken over by orcs.

Watching their neighborhood get infested by the brown menace and Section 8 housing.

WhereAreTheVikings
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WhereAreTheVikings

Let’s not forget that Evangelicals are also helping import the Third World into this country. Of course the cosmetic reason is to save souls. But I suspect getting ultra-cheap labor that won’t talk back down at the machine shop plays an even bigger part.

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Ostei Kozelskii

I think the main reason Evangelicals import Third Worlders is because they consider it a form of charity. They are moving them from poor countries to rich ones. It is the very archetype of pathological altruism. And I say this as a thoroughgoing Christian.

PS–Great to see you here, SAGEB. (-;

Chris
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Chris

Ostei,
We had a missionary from Zimbabwe on Sunday visit. I found it interesting that he told us many leaders from that Continent don’t send many missionaries here anymore because our austerity spoils them and they don’t wish to return to their homeland. I never thought of that before…
CIII

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Ostei Kozelskii

Our austerity or our opulence?

Carrie
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Your comment is very unclear.

Dombey and Son
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They need to be told, again and again, that it is NOT charity, it is THEFT. They are recklessly stealing and giving away that which is not theirs to give: American social capital, American social cohesion, and American social safety nets and public services which were created for Americans, not for wheedling foreign paupers. This is theft, pure and simple. All these public goods are common property, collectively created and collectively owned by the American people. These self-righteous pricks are stealing the future of American children, literally taking the bread from their mouths, and giving it to the dogs, as… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

Yo that’s really unfair.
To Dogs.

Firewire7
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Firewire7

Yeah. My dogs work full time protecting the homestead from squirrel invaders.

Carrie
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Most of the Evangelicals are also pathological altruists.
They confuse this pathology with being “Christian.”
I used to work for one of their big aid orgs, and the “company” helped kids in Africa, among other things.
Within an hour of getting canned (they were nuts), I cut off my monthly “guilt money” that supposedly went to a child somewhere who “needed it.”

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I live in a recently developed area that mostly exists as a housing barracks for H1B Indians. There’s a sizable contingent of Hispanics in the poorer parts of town. The whites (possibly still a narrow majority) are almost all blue haired feminists, hipsters, and soyboys. I’ve tried to reach out and “connect with my community” but I just can’t help but feel that there is no such thing here. My wife wants me to do volunteer stuff but when I hear slogans about “giving back to the community” I just think “fuck this place and everyone in it, including the… Read more »

BadThinker
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BadThinker

In rust belt appalachia and the midwest, Joe Normal still lives and the Evangelical megachurch culture is thriving, but anywhere within this region where there is a major corporation with lots of white collar jobs, Pajeet is moving in. The biggest challenge to red pill these folks is that their experience with diversity is going on a ‘mission trip’ (read ‘Jesus Vacation’) to some 3rd world voluntourist trap. I think it’s one of the reasons trump is so Civic Nationalisst – many, many of these people are still clinging to their Civic Nationalism. The blue collar ones have always been… Read more »

3g4me
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3g4me

pozymadias: Tell your wife your community is not the foreigners who’ve come to squat on the magic dirt, but your people – and if you do any volunteering or charity it will be for them. Christ tells us to take care of our own first. And your wife should not be setting your agenda; you should be directing hers – towards your children and your people.

maxsnafu
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maxsnafu

“…giving back…” ??? “Giving back” implies you are returning something you simply took. What did you take?

UpYours
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UpYours

Because you know, hating people without getting to know them..that is the alt-white way.

Alt-white types are masters at ‘how to lose friends and alienate people’. You would not last 5 minute against the organized, battle hardened left and it shows

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

Evangelicals are guaranteed Salvation by Professing Faith in Jesus as Savior.

No matter what they do.
Think about that. 🤔

I wouldn’t look to such people for any hard decisions or mens work.

If you want to go further than Trump or even fulfill something as modest as our own country do not look to such men.

Deana
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Deana

vxxc-
Are you suggesting the Catholics are making any tough decisions? Are we getting any “men’s work” out of them?

The illness that is plaguing western men seems to be affecting almost everyone with the possible exception of some orthodox Christians / Eastern Europeans. This is hardly just an Evangelical issue.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

I am also likely predisposed to be an atomized individual, I just feel like there is a basic rule of society that must be followed: take care of your own shit, society requires some investment from an individual – but when an individual takes more from “society” than they’re contributing – you’ve got yourself a failure. As an atomized individual living naked and afraid in the wilderness – it’s likely all I can do to get enough sustenance for myself and support my family. That is simply the way of things in a state of nature. It seems that since… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I am predisposed to be an atomized individual but I couldn’t ignore that most non-whites are tribal and attack whites and are celebrated for it, while whites are excoriated for the same.

Exactly the same way. Maybe that’s a white male profile thing??

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I rather wonder whether the 50-year annivesary of the Moon landing (at least for those who remember it but possibly even for others) aren’t touching that sense of loss that Z-man refers to. “And Whiteys on the Moon!”

Calsdad
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Calsdad

They’ve been playing all the Apollo 11 stuff on the news the last few days. The shots of the control room – all full of white guys. Then there’s the three white guys headed out to the capsule, surrounded by a bunch of white guy technicians. Hey look – there’s some white guys jumping into the ocean to get the astronauts out!!. We watched almost all the way thru one segment – and then I turned to the wife and said: “hey – where are all the black people – I thought they made up 50% of the country ?… Read more »

Rogeru
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Rogeru

Don’t forget the three “women of color” they made the movie about. Without them there’d be no NASA!

Calsdad
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Calsdad

I was looking for them. Pretty sure if the ABC Evening News could have found a way to insert them in there they would have done it.

Which to me is pretty good evidence to the contrary on the premise of that movie.

Ursula
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Ursula

But we all know that whitey never would have made it to the moon without the black female mathematicians who made it happen. Hollywood has shown us and corrected the historical oversight.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

I think it’s actually sort of interesting that they even show the Apollo stuff on TV. It’s just so damn obvious that everybody was white – that it’s a HUGE contrast to the vision they try to push in the current day. Somewhere there’s got to be some white kid sitting in a classroom full of Hindus and Bantus – being yelled at by his feminist teacher to complete his gender reassignment workbook – who is thinking about the videos he just watched about the Apollo program and wondering why pretty much everybody showed there was white. Kids DO pay… Read more »

Ursula
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Ursula

Yeah, watching the shows on the Apollo program and seeing all those smart, handsome, white men doing the impossible made my heart ache for what we may not see happen again, at least in this country. No matter the category, white men *always* are in the winners circles.

Compsci
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Compsci

What is particularly poignant for me is that somewhere, in our current PC madness, the accomplishments of those men and women are being denigrated for the benefit of POC to feel “good” about themselves.

RebJeb
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RebJeb

White Identity politics… learn it, live it, love it, or accept the fact that there is a boxcar in your future.

deplorable me
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deplorable me

you mean that non-whites can also make the trains run on time? /sarc

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Only if they let the Chinese run them.

In Latin American, Whites usually dominate, even in countries where Whites are a minority such as Mexico. I wonder what these countries would look like if the Mestizos took over. Venezuela?

South Africa was a first world country under minority White rule. South African Blacks had a choice of serving in heaven or ruling in hell and they choose the latter. South Africa and Rhodesia were sacrifices to the great god of our age – equality.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

Was it equality?

Or Power?

Politics is Power.
Eternally.

Equality is just a slogan.

Lugh
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Lugh

Yes, the simple Truth that Z can’t say because he is not Clan, not of The Body. Can’t say? No, won’t say. Does he really wish us well? Only if it benefits his people. They’re not big on altruism to outsiders unless it helps them somehow. Pure altruism is a White thing….

TomA
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TomA

It helps to understand the underlying motives of the identity deniers. They are parasites whose only long term means of survival is to proactively convert our species from differentiated cohorts that evolved and adapted to differentiated environments into an insect-like mono species in which the untermenschen are morphed into controllable drone workers. These parasites are the bastard stepchildren of a perverted evolutionary process; who in a prior age, would have been culled by natural fitness selection, but now thrive because whining works.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

“They are parasites whose only long term means of survival is to proactively convert our species from differentiated cohorts that evolved and adapted to differentiated environments into an insect-like mono species”

But they only do this to whites. That’s the crucial observation.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Yep. The AWR goal probably isn’t the extermination of whites, but rather to reduce them to worker-drone status on behalf of non-whites. We are on the path to becoming urban and suburban serfs.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Welfare was the first in the continued line of payoffs to the inner city orcs not to riot.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

No we’re already there. We are already enserfed. Then… enough of us awoke to be troublesome and rebellious. So they opened the borders. They’re already opened de facto for some time. We’re catching a fraction and releasing most of them. We’re being replaced and the Western Hemisphere isn’t big enough for both of us. That’s not enserfment. That’s extermination. It isn’t any longer IF they’ll be a genocide but Who genocides Whom. I doubt we can CoExist any closer than Brazil at this point. Not long term. We’re two different Civilizations that are now in natural conflict. We’re also two… Read more »

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

@TomA. Wow! That’s a mouth full. You must be an Entomologist. The thing is, humans it seems just weren’t meant to live in giant groupes. I’m sure you’ve heard of the mouse utopia experiment. Dr. John Calhoun’s work showed you just can’t put large numbers of animals together and supply them with everything and expect it to go well. mutations pile up and social problems abound. Extinction is always the result.

Yves Vannes
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It depends on who’s doing the organizing. Tokyo has had more than 1 million people for more than 1000 years. The greater metro now has 42 million. It functions well and has been the cultural center of their civilization for centuries. We used to be able to say the same for most European cities. American cities didn’t evolve under one ethnos as did European cities so lots of friction between groups had to be put up with…but we still managed to build some well functioning cities. Then the blacks migrated north and we opened the floodgates. We all know the… Read more »

TomA
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TomA

Your example of Tokyo makes my point. The vast majority of Japanese urban citizens are as close to drones as you can get and still mimic basic human nature. They are characteristically obedient, work long hours, and have little to no innovative cognitive skill. They typically follow their elite masters in slavish devotion. Our own Progressive elites must be envious.

Yves Vannes
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You couldn’t be more wrong. Are they perfect? No. Are they a flourishing complex evolving civilization? Yes, in every way you can define that. You’re conflating the production and consumption of stuff with order + growth. They are more hierarchical and thus more stable and evolve socially at a slower pace which gives them more time to separate the wheat from the chafe. We have destroyed the natural hierarchy and here we are… If anything, their Western imitation has unbalanced their natural path and caused problems they seem unprepared to deal with. Left to their own devices they will fix… Read more »

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Problem is this situation has cause the Japanese to stop marrying and having children. At some level even they know life has become unbearable and they don’t want to bring children into it. It may be clean and safe, etc. But living in sleep tubes and working oneself to death isn’t exactly something to look forward to. It’s like the old Dilbert cartoon where he’s giving a talk at a local grade school about having a career as a engineer. He says you get to look forward to being in a cube for the next 40 years and then retire… Read more »

TomA
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TomA

Yeah, those sleep tubes kinda look a lot like a beehive too.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Whining doesn’t “work”.

Whining gets tolerated.

CAPT S
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CAPT S

Count me in as one of the nostalgic crowd … I miss the America I once knew. Reagan signed my first commission; Obama signed my retirement … there’s a LOT to be nostalgic about. But nostalgia, once married with realism, forces us down a different path. Identity politics has been thrust upon us; so be it. I’m still working out how to exist in this brave new world. Nostalgia just pisses me off and leaves me bitter. Realism drives me toward ACTION … I hope all of this discussion is driving people to prepare (physically/spiritually) for what’s coming.

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Ostei Kozelskii

We’re all patriotic for an America that no longer exists. It was a far better America, largely because it was a far whiter America.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Not just b/c of that. There used to be something about America that was NOT the same in Europe. I grew up in both places and worked and went to college in both. There was always more space to be man in the US than in Europe. Until sometime in the 00s. That’s when the gritty can-do part of American culture collapsed IMO. Some will no doubt say sooner but, maybe b/c I was for some years in college first in Europe, then in the US, through the late 90s and 00s, I got the comparison. America became more and… Read more »

Calsdad
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Calsdad

The constant badgering from the safety Nazis probably had something to do with that. Federal legislation in 1998 made airbags in cars mandatory. Before that – it was seatbelts. There was a period where they had those automatic seatbelts in cars – you had to disconnect the things with a wrench in some cases. The motorized ones were great if you wanted to strangle yourself as you got into the car. I recently had an infant. One interesting point of interest is to watch the wife talk to her friends – many of whom had kids 20 years ago –… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I totally agree that the safety nazis are part of the problem.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Well, the ideology that vilified whiteness also pilloried masculinity.

Ursula
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Ursula

And that same ideology made harpies out of western women with the feminist cancer.

Nowadays, a young man may take on debt going to university and upon graduation find that the job he was targeting has been given to a foreign worker. The young American may then find himself living on the streets with the other unwanted, unemployed, unproductive addicts, stealing from productive taxpayers to support himself. And so go the whites in the current U.S.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Absolutely!

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Just got back yesterday from camping (RV) for a few days with friends in upstate NY. Virtually everyone on the campground was White. I remarked to my friends that it looked like the America of our childhood. One of my friends said that camping is a White hobby.

Saw a lot of American flags and even Trump signs. Campers left personal items outside of their RVs. Just like the America of our childhood.

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Ostei Kozelskii

And the fact that camping is a white thing causes no little consternation among the National Parks poobahs. They’ve long been on an outreach program trying to convince blacks to luxuriate in the great outdoors. So far–blessedly–the outreach program is a total failure.

Compsci
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Compsci

Ris, same here. Just got back from Glacier Park, Montana. Visited all the parks in Utah as as well. Of course, I looked at the park visitors as well as the park. Saw exactly one Black family—just one. Saw one Black male with a White female—just one. Perhaps a few Hispanics—harder to tell. Any dark skinned individuals were Indian (with a dot). Lot’s of Europeans judging from languages heard. But mostly White—all White. Several tour busses noted with Chinese, but I could not tell if the tour was from China, Taiwan, or San Francisco. I did not ask. But the… Read more »

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Blacks just have zero interest in the outdoors. It’s a minor whitepill that we’ll still be able to have those places, at least to a point.

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Ostei Kozelskii

They do seem to like beaches, though. Beaches and hos…

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

Yes.

They chose this for all of us.
The preferences are revealed by voting.

They chose.

Barnard
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Barnard

Tucker has to worry about staying on the air. You must not have gotten a sense from his talk that he is not pulling punches to do that, but really believes all identity politics is poisonous. He is still as close as you can get to reality and still stay on the air for a TV news pundit. A big improvement over Bill O’Reilly and the neocon choir FOX featured for over a decade. He may be a case of taking what we can get.

Screwtape
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Screwtape

It wasn’t that long ago that Tucker’s public position on the war on men and boys was to tell men to “shut up and man up”. Preaching responsibility without authority; to become the obedient draft horses that the State needs to function (that women deserve). Not a very keen understanding of the situation or the forces at work. Nor a very compassionate view of his own sex. The anti-masculinity animus was how I found my way into the dissident right. The war on masculinity is really just one of many fronts in the war on white. Perhaps Tucker has put… Read more »

Puddintane
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Puddintane

Our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor, lol. Carlson is motivated by the same things all the anons are. He doesn’t like unpleasantness, especially the unpleasantness of job loss, financial diminishment, and social banishment. Just like us!, as Scewtape expressed. “If ever Western Society turns-around and becomes qualitatively better; it must include a restoration of the transcendental Good of Honesty in all public discourse – and this would be so shocking as to seem cataclysmic. If this unlikely event ever were to happen, you won’t miss it: Imagine the sensation of this inverted world being upended, and restored to stand… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
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WhereAreTheVikings

Tucker Carlson could adopt the strategy of warning that white nationalism will be an unavoidable, if not justified, result of identity politics. This provides him the cover he would seek to keep his job, and an avenue to explore white nationalism as a movement, as long as he doesn’t demonize its adherents.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Tucker has already said as much. Over a year ago.

Drake
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Drake

I can sympathize with the nostalgic conservatives. For a long time, this country was very good at importing various tribes of Europeans and getting them to assimilate. When their predecessors bought into the left’s racial equality stuff in the middle of the last century, they assumed they could get other tribes to assimilate as well.

Identity politics actively resists and even rolls back assimilation. Combine it with floods of far too many immigrants to smoothly assimilate and you have – Balkanization. If the shooting starts, this place comes apart more spectacularly than Yugoslavia.

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

Many Europeans came to America and were successful. What the conservative inc. seems to have intentionally missed is that Europeans were also successful in Europe. Europeans are successful pretty much everywhere. You also see this theory of American exceptionalism trotted out to prove that democracy or the Constitution were responsible for American success. But Europeans ran highly functional societies under Monarchies and Feudalism. If one is willing to look at the obvious it’s clear that Europeans are successful in almost any government and on almost any piece of dirt. It’s also pretty clear that’s most POC end up in squalor… Read more »

Drake
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Drake

Sure – some of places Europeans came from – Italy, Ireland, Poland… hadn’t been particularly successful places in a long time. But, yes – from a global perspective, European stock has hit way above their weight for a long time.

c matt
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c matt

It seems to go in cycles. And for some reason, they seem to self-destruct. We are seeing that now in places like NW Europe w/ England, Sweden, Norway. The hard times make good men cycle appears only to apply to Euros.

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

Some European countries weren’t as wealthy as other but that’s mostly in relation to other European countries. Compared to a place like Africa or most of South America they are still wealthy. Even the East Germans under communism were far wealthier than any country run by Africans. Which just goes to show how important the people are to an economy. Even under the stupidest possible economic system they were still more productive than free economies filled with many POC. But normies will rail against socialism because of its failure record without somehow noticing the much greater failure record of most… Read more »

Ris Eruwaedhiel
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Ris Eruwaedhiel

A doctor from South America told me that there was a lot of poverty in South America but it was nothing compared to Africa.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

And even if European Stock wasn’t superior its ours.

We have to fight for it.

King Tut
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King Tut

Take a tour around the former communist countries in central and Eastern Europe to see the truth of this. For sure, 70 years of communism left behind some ugly and dysfunctional legacies but life in places such as Prague, Budapest, Belgrade or Warsaw is not very different from life in the West, barring some minor stuff.

Compare that to life in “free-market” Haiti or “libertarian” Somalia.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Some conservatives credit Christianity for Western success. Really? How about Guatemala, the Phillippines and Kenya? Also, the accomplishments of European peoples before Christianity?

It be racist to give credit to European peoples, regardless of religion.

Compsci
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Compsci

Not to go into it too deeply, but there is a big difference historically between Protestant and Catholic Christianity, which I admit is also conflated with different European countries and cultures. Albeit, I’m a Catholic by birth and upbringing, I’m thankful to have been born in this country predominately settled/developed by Protestant ethos.

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

It’s possible early Christianity led to a level of organization that was eugenic in nature. After enough time in Europe Christians with traits with higher IQs and lower criminality bred to become dominant.

So maybe it can influence a society over enough time, but I don’t think just having the current stock convert works in shorter time spans.

Drake
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Drake

European Christianity – Protestantism and reformed Catholicism. Built atop Classical European civilization and learning.

Carrie
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Ris
Hate to break it to you but all those beautiful things about the west (especially in medieval times, until Henry wanted to f*** any woman with a pulse) were mostly done by Catholics.

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I’ve been thinking lately about how dangerous empathy is. What empathy allows people to do is to feel other people’s pain. But you never hear about anyone feeling anyone else’s Joy. Empathy is only good for pain and it seems to destroy your own capacity for joy. If I felt like that all the time I would want to destroy everything also

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

>Self-loathing has been turned into a narcotic for white people that lets them forget about what they lost.<

You are spot on, Whitney.
My liberal-libertarian relatives are unadmittedly furious that their grand inclusive virtues have led to ruin; conservatives making war to spread democracy has also led to ruin.
Neither Left nor Right has worked.

They were taught to despise their ancestors, and now their grandkids don't look like them.

"Screw it! Let this wicked world burn! Burn it all!"

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Alzaebo said: “Screw it! Let this wicked world burn! Burn it all!” Spoken like a true idealist with a broken heart. 😀

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I think he has a point though for a different reason. The kind of anti-white rhetoric we are hearing right now does not guarantee a genocide but it precedes a genocide 100% of the time and on top of that we’re turning over the levers of power to people that hate us. It seems to me that civilizational collapse is going to work in our favor. There’s an interesting book out called Lost white tribes and it’s pretty much a horror show of the future if we continue as we are

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

We find something that makes you smile. 🤔

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And they all want access to the societies built by white men.

Drake
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Drake

Preferably with White Serfs keeping everything running while they enjoy leisurely lives.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

And access to white women

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Z Man said: “Of course, one reason why the people railing against identity politics do so exclusively in front of white audiences is they fear this truth settling in on whites. That’s why tirades against white nationalism often coincide with the tirades against identity politics. They are two sides of the same coin, which is a fear that whites will begin to see their collective interests as primary.” Matthew 23:13. “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men. For you neither enter, nor even do you allow those who… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

May you live to be 120, I want one of us to see how this all turns out!

(And to give us the news when he gets to Heaven. I’ll catch it on the grapevine way down below in the, uh, basement.)

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Damn it all, Az. Not letting you shuffle off to the Burning Basement. No Sir! We need your erudition, insight and humor to aid in our sanity and our side of The Great Devouring. So get to rectifying on those character flaws, Laddie.

Compsci
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Compsci

I also suspect that Whites lecturing Whites only on the evils of racial identity is also a function of the physical danger of any White appearing before a Black/Hispanic audience and attempting to lecture them on their identity proclivities. In this day and age of minority ascendency, the slightest criticism of our vibrant folk risks immediate casting into the void, if not outright physical attack.

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Compsci said: ” In this day and age of minority ascendency, the slightest criticism of our vibrant folk risks immediate casting into the void, if not outright physical attack.” Millions of white people have been holding in a mountain of cold rage for decades. But the insurrection hasn’t happened mainly I believe for two reasons. Most White people believe in the American system and they want it to work. Plus we’ve all been pacified to one extent or another by the soft despotic beasts. I have no idea how long this can keep up untill the last straw falls.

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Official Bologna Tester

Obviously my statement above needs clarification. Compsci said: ” In this day and age of minority ascendency, the slightest criticism of our vibrant folk risks immediate casting into the void, if not outright physical attack.” That’s because white people let this crap get normalized. Year after year decade after decade 100s of Millions of White Americans didn’t jump the hell up and beat the living crap out of the progressives and the socialists and communists. White people let their leaders capitulate and compromise and sell off their heritage and the heritage of their posterity. And two of the reasons why… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

OBT, yes indeed. Spot on observation. I might add an observation upon your “cold rage” comment as well. Remember not too long ago with the fall of the USSR and the Soviet Block countries? Romania and Nicolae Ceaușescu in particular. He was giving his *last* speech from his “palace” and the crowd was huge. But instead of cheering, they began to boo and scream and riot. Nothing like that had ever happened before (his secret police always took care of the crowd). He took off from the balcony and left the palace and attempted to flee the country, only to… Read more »

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Compsci said: ” Nicolae Ceaușescu in particular. He was giving his *last* speech from his “palace” and the crowd was huge. But instead of cheering, they began to boo and scream and riot. Nothing like that had ever happened before (his secret police always took care of the crowd).” Yah, I watched a clip of that just after it happend. He looked really surprised. I believe for something like that to happen here, life in america would have to deteriorate to an agonizing degree. But that’s not saying there wont be a lot of productive work done in the mean… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

your mourning The Death of Peace. That’s normal. Peace is dying and you’re sad. It’s the passing of a loved one. You’ll buck up and fight soon enough.
You’ll even be happy warriors.

Don’t worry too much.

george
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george

I suspect it won’t go on a whole lot longer. 10 to 15 years maybe. The U.S. is over 22 trillion in debt. The dollar is slowly but surely going to lose reserve currency status.

When the real economic downturn happens, well you get my drift.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

We had no leadership. We do now. If it’s not enough then Lead On yourselves. I wonder if those here realize how far we’ve come since 2012 when we awoke after the re-election of Obama and were breathlessly informed we didn’t have a country anymore. That’s when we awoke. Look how far we’ve come since 2015. Now that we almost certainly will have to war for what’s ours and a land of our own is no great aberration. That’s the fate of men. Eternally. I’m actually encouraged by the Black Pill tears here- it means your mourning The Death of… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

The chimp-outs would be epic.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

They.
Respect.
Manhood.
And standing up for your own.
They respect Bravery.

The ones who’ll cast you into the void are whites, Jews and Whoppi Goldberg.

Its not the Void unless you work in Leftist Dominated Institutions and Businesses.
Then you might get fired.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

Not a fantasy.

We haven’t “lost” the country. We are extremely reluctant to accept we have to fight for it.

The Eternal Fate of Man is you have to fight to keep what’s yours, especially Land.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Here in my beloved Long Island, the anti-racists battling racist racism are demanding that the President commit seppuku!

Jewish radio stands tall with our beloved Palestinian and noble Muslim friends!

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Aw c’mon, people I had a downvote!

I was going to tell the lurking Littlest Chickenhawk that his dream job was waiting on The View. We gotcher material right heeere, Benny!

King Tut
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King Tut

The more zman discloses about this “national conservatism” conference the more I believe that it’s a case of “meet the new cucks; same as the old cucks.” This is not a new direction for conservatism or a new beginning, it’s a Greatest Hits album.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Where do the Civ Nats stand on immigration and the global imposition of democracy by force? Honest questions.

c matt
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c matt

From what I can gather from the various talking heads:

Immigration: More of it legally, probably ok with some illegal as long as not too much (can’t get rid of it all anyway), and as long as they assimilate (meaning mouthing the right platitudes, not dissing the founding stock, but otherwise do as you will);

Democracy by force: Yes, and you will like it!

King Tut
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King Tut

I have this nagging feeling that when they use the word “assimilate” what they mean is,learn how to bilk the system for more gibs.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Sounds an awful lot like neoconservatism to me.

John Smith
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If things keep going like this I can see moslems and blacks being loaded onto scows and sent back. (Even Trump is pondering that). Likewise the Mexicans could easily be death marched back across the border.
Call it what you want. Tribalism, nationalism… when those hatred flow, morals and ethics go out the window.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Dream on.

Compsci
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Compsci

Would only occur after a protracted and exhausting war. Then, you might see something like what happened to German ethnics living in countries immediately surrounding pre-WWII Germany—where such were driven across the new national boundaries back to Germany, if they were lucky. 100’s of thousands never made it.

Drake
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Drake

I think it happens in Europe first. We quietly follow suit.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics predicts religious war in the early 2020s.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/cycle-of-war-religion/

WhereAreTheVikings
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WhereAreTheVikings

Fought by whom? The French won’t even stand up to their own government, let alone fight in a religious war. Christianity is dead in Europe.

The English think voting against Brexit is all they need to do. The Swedes are all on heavy doses of Demerol. The Germans are still trying to atone for World War II.

Most white Americans have lost all semblance of a survival instinct. I just see them fading away. I hope I’m wrong.

Compsci
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Compsci

Perhaps, but leaders of movements have heretofore always managed to inveigle religion—even if they have to redefine it—to suit their needs in their efforts to motivate the masses.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Without the current welfare and 1st world medical support, Blacks would suffer a dramatic die off within a matter of months in this country as they are unable to take care of themselves let alone work in a cooperate and peaceful manner. The Mexicans would finish off the rest . The Muzzies are mostly vicious, low IQ predatory, protected by Unka Sam, without whites willing to die to protect Muzzies. They get put down hard by other groups. Mexicans are about the only ones who could handle a end to the welfare state. The moochers and AOC’s who still demand… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Rod, correct. The numbers perishing would be of biblical proportions. People just can’t handle providing for themselves and most would die without commerce and welfare. However, the quality of what’s left is what is of concern. Free of the undertow and PC correctness, I’m confident a new beginning would be at hand. The trick would be to not repeat the cycle.

JunkerVonFayetteville
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JunkerVonFayetteville

I would like to make two points addressed to Mr. Man and the home viewing audience. First, thank you very much for introducing me to Joe Sobran. I regret wasting time not reading his work. Second, as an aspiring hu-white ciswhatever, I would very much like to attend AmRen’s big hoedown next year. Unfortunately I am under deep cover and it would seriously bum me out were I found out to be Literally Hitler by my employer and the nice brown woman at my local bodega. So any practical hints, strategies, tactics, neologisms, Etc. would be very much appreciated in… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Farst, ya steal yer wimmen’s shoes, lock em in that thar kitchen, and keep em pregnerant. Kissin’ cousins, nieces, sisters is all fair play.

Theyn, ya get a bullwhip and keep them thar darkies a-pickin’ the crops.
Huwhyte sheets is high fashion.

Last, ya’ll remember time-honored wisom of yer fear-fathers:
Ya call a redneck with pitbulls an all-huwhyte nayborhood.
Ya hear me, boy?

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Ostei Kozelskii

The concern is real. I know a man who lost his job because he attended AmRen a few years ago.

JunkerVonFayetteville
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JunkerVonFayetteville

We are political dissidents living in an age with effectively infinite surveillance capabilities and infinite data storage.

What will the neo-stasi do with those wonderful toys in twenty years?

Not being careful is naive or unnecessarily risky, and I don’t have “Born to Lose” tattooed on my neck.

Dutch
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Dutch

And yet you post on this site 😮

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

Underlying the fear of white identity consciousness among “conservative” cuck-ups is economic anxiety. Most civnats swear by corporate capitalism, but as we see in Nike, Gillette, et al. the corporations nowadays are often p.c. plague carriers. (I was a little taken aback — not sure why, it shouldn’t have been surprising — to learn that my brokerage, Fidelity, sponsors gay pride events.) Whites who respect their heritage, for all their reluctance to play in the grievance Olympics, potentially have a huge advantage at their disposal: the power of the purse. Whites still control a lot of the money flow. If… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Corporations have reached the point where, externally, they are neutral, but internally, they proudly fly the freak flag. Nike and Gillette are now testing the freak flag waters with the general public. Not shopping with them is a whole lot easier than speaking up as an employee and having your career axed.

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Ostei Kozelskii

If you’re really serious about boycotting AWR corporations you’ll have go live on a mountaintop in Wyoming and lead a subsistence life. Nike and Gillette are the poster children for AWR, but almost all corporations share their views and policies.

c matt
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c matt

Gillette is a P&G brand. Almost everything is. In fact, I can’t even name many competitor conglomerates – Johnson & Johnson, General Mills? They are likely just as woke. The best way to boycott them is probably to buy knock-offs (easier to do with Nike).

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Look up “buy nothing day”. When it came out, Limbaugh freaked out. Mass economic boycotts work if you get enough people to join in. You can break the back of the airlines within a week. Most corporations are so dependent on constant income stream they go into shock within a few days of people stop buying things. Right after the 2008 Stock and housing collapse. A bunch of companies needed immediate bail outs to survive including Harley Davidson and others. Why? Because people tightened their belts. Even Mothers Cookies almost went under Now imagine most whites staying home on black… Read more »

Vegetius
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Vegetius

This thing is moving on two separate but parallel tracks. Trump is presently trying to do to the left what the left has successfully done to the right: draw a line beyond which support cannot be accepted (or at least publicly acknowledged). The fact that this line is not where anyone around here would like it to be is irrelevant. The point IS the line, if you will. Once the line is drawn it can be moved. Trump’s wrapping himself in the Israeli flag is more about winning Florida and giving cowards in the GOP cover to attack Maoist thots… Read more »

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

Trump didn’t just symbolically wrap himself in the Israeli flag

He delivered a long list of tangible results for his Israeli partners.

The same cannot be said for those who voted for him on the basis of immigration restriction.

He has failed to deliver time and time again on immigration, even when he clearly has the power to act unilaterally. He has played the same old game of failure theater instead.

It has to be assumed this is intentional.

DLS
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DLS

DR3 (Dems are the real racists) is true, though I understand Zman’s antipathy for the phrase. Where this starts to matter is when the brown tide rolls up to white liberal shores, and the AOCs of the world start defeating the old Dem guard with regularity. The only reason white Dems are embracing the browning of America is because it helps them get elected. When they see it taking over the party, it could spark a huge conversion to our side. The US may then start to more resemble the politics of Alabama than CA, NY and IL.

Corn
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Corn

“ The only reason white Dems are embracing the browning of America is because it helps them get elected. When they see it taking over the party, it could spark a huge conversion to our side.”

I don’t know when whites will ever start bloc voting (if ever) but I think the day is not too far off where power-seeking white men realize if they want to get much higher than state legislator or Representative from Vermont they’re going to have to leave the Democratic Party.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Last year, I remarked to a young man involved in Republican politics here in NJ that there was no place in the Democratic Party for White men. He replied, “I know.”

In Newark, NJ, the last Republican mayor left office in 1953 and the last White Democrat in 1970. Since then, all of Newark’s mayors were Black Democrats and one light-skinned Puerto Rican.

White and Jewish Democrats are facing the fate (figurately speaking) of Marie Antoinette. One way or another, they will be replaced by POCs.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

The emergence of white identity is defensive and instinctive in response to nonwhite tribalization. It has the same logic as an arms race.

It is also true about the nostalgia bit. I suffer from it.

Becky Ross
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Becky Ross

“… beyond noting it made unifying the country impossible.” Our country is an empire now. Authentic members of the American nation, the largest but one of many nations within the empire, starting to play identity politics might prevent unifying the country around the rule of globalist plague rats spreading the disease of civilization-wrecking diversity. They fear delegitimization of their rule over the empire because if real Americans start thinking like a nation again, this would inevitably entail assessing what our collective interests are, and there are no plausible scenarios where an awakened American nation will continue to allow hostile foreigners… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

As people, one by one, realize they can throw off the shackles of an abusive relationship, it is liberating. Like a marriage complicated with kids, houses, and alimony payments, just physically walking out the door and not looking back is not always an option. But one can still walk out, mentally and emotionally. Freeing oneself from the mental shackles, to get out from under the daily rituals of accepting and dwelling over the mental abuse, is an incredibly powerful thing. That’s what whites are starting to figure out. People are going to continue to find that “F-you” and “I don’t… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Dutch, it’s not easy being a Stoic.

WhereAreTheVikings
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WhereAreTheVikings

Because of my hope that everyone at all times experiences inclusion, I’ve been wondering . . . does LGBTQNCAA include a category for those whom I tell to go f___ yourself?

Yves Vannes
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“In fairness, a lot of the hooting about identity politics from civic nationalists is just alienation dressed up as nostalgia. They feel the same loss the rest of us feel for an America that is never going to return.” For normies this is probably true. But for the group at this conference…no quarter. These people live politics 24/7. They know exactly what’s going on and who is pulling the strings. They are )))mercenaries((( and (((parasites))). When the balloon eventually does go up any of these people who are still on the field peddling this stuff should be given no quarter.… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Indeed. Such people profited on the turmoil they in many ways helped to create. As the fires burned brighter, they benefited more. No mercy should be shown.

SidVic
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SidVic

I’ve found that telling whites that we WILL be a minority, and worse, a hated minority is effective. Even most liberals will concede that the white man is portrayed as a bumbling fool in the media and that a anti-white malice exists among our elite.Fact is that whites have become fat and dull from our unprecedented Success these last 100 yrs. A few missed meals will cure that. Watch SA.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

I’ve found the same thing when I tell normie whites they’re going to be a despised minority. There’s never an argument, just a quiet, somewhat spooked look. It’s most effective when they have children.

Member

I read your Vdare article with pleasure this morning, Zman. Great stuff.

3g4me
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3g4me

Of all days to come here before checking Vdare! I will have to go read it, but good to see you working with the Brimelows, Zman. Peter and Lydia are good people

Ursula
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Ursula

“Report From The Gatekeeper’s Ball: Yoram Hazony Really Hates The Right; Zionist Attempt To Co-opt National Conservatism Will Fail.”
The Zman
https://vdare.com/articles/report-from-the-gatekeeper-s-ball-yoram-hazony-really-hates-the-right-zionist-attempt-to-co-opt-national-conservatism-will-fail

Thank you for sharing your brilliant insights with us, Zman! And thanks for the heads up on Zman’s article at VDare, Epaminondas.

Edit: Oops, just saw Range Front Fault already posted the link!

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Great job on getting that article on Vdare! Your readership is growing exponentially. Congratulations! We all appreciate your huge efforts and time taken to educate us about the Gatekeepers. Forewarned is forearmed.

https://vdare.com/articles/report-from-the-gatekeeper-s-ball-yoram-hazony-really-hates-the-right-zionist-attempt-to-co-opt-national-conservatism-will-fail

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Range Front Fault

John Paul Stevens kicked the bucket. Stevens was my mother’s first cousin. She and Dad were Trots. Ironically, Mother would sniff that he was conservative old school, implying he was a racist, and after her conversion had little to do with him. You see how long this shit’s been rolling out! No Thanksgiving dinners with him for her clan. In his later years guess John Paul figured out what side of his bread was buttered and who was doing the buttering. Well Mom….you’ll be happy to know he slipped over to your side of the divide. As for me….done with… Read more »

Marko
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Marko

I hear a lot about ‘how’ identity politics for whites is “bad”, but I don’t hear much about ‘why’. The only good answer I’ve ever heard – and this came from white nationalists – is that the normie whites (and other minorities) are simply afraid that white identity movements, should they go mainstream, will inevitably lead to German-like military mobilization and fascism, and Brit-like colonization. This is slanderous, of course. But ‘why’ is never discussed in the mainstream, and I wonder why that is? And I wonder if white progressives have an inner fear that they have an “inner Hitler”… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Where in the world has identity politics NOT lead to dictatorship, internal purges of minority populations, and colonization?

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Ostei Kozelskii

Those phenomena have been fixities of the human condition irrespective of so-called “identity politics.” The reality is that human beings have always grouped together in identities and competed, often violently, with other identity groups.

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

Most of US history the population was pretty close to white nationalist. I wouldn’t consider it to have been a dictatorship, or a colonial power, or a place where minorities were purged.

Apex Predator
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Apex Predator

“Instead, rants against identity politics are only aimed at white audiences, because white identity is what they fear.”

I wonder why…

https://imgur.com/a/VEnif

Apex Predator
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Apex Predator

Grr, my imgur-fu was a bit weak, let’s try again!
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We’re fighting with other white people, forget about the proxies.

Andy
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Andy

I wonder if the desperate rush to stop White People developing any kind of racial solidarity is out of fear,as an unremembered online poster once said ” when black people get mad, city blocks burn, when White People get mad whole continents burn” The left are so keen to portray White people as brutal racists who want nothing more than to oppress and kill any non White people but it seems to me that if White people truly wanted to oppress and kill any non White people in their countries then those people wouldn’t know what the fuck just hit… Read more »

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Rod1963

I don’t know about whites embracing anti-identity views. Here in Southern CA whites are very, very conscious about being a minority in their own land and prefer to associate with other whites if at all possible. They put their kids in private or parochial schools to get away from the brown menace. That said the attendees are not your normal whites. They don’t have the time or money to blow on such worthless shindigs. What you got there is the same sort of whites who attend self-help and new age seminars. Uppser class whites wholly detached from reality. In regards… Read more »

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Range Front Fault

Rod….it will take much more time for a lot more of The Others to show up in our lives, make us miserable, kill some more of us and create Big Hate and chaos. Our gatekeepers live behind….gates! They are insulated from The Others. Until their world gets rocked by The Others, we’re in for a hellish ride.

Dutch
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Dutch

As a fellow Southern Californian, I would say that you can always tell a Californian, but you can’t tell him much. Californians are set in their various social and political ways, in all directions. Any attempt to engage or parse out reasons why they believe what they do is met with a silent, arrogant assumption of the self-evident truth of their viewpoint. The Bernie-bots, Hillary-bots and Trump-bots all refuse to engage. The attitude is that if you are too stupid to see things their way, they are not going to deign to explain it to you, and you just need… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

Point taken. However, I think we are inching ever closer to the point when white identity CAN be discussed publicly. Hence, Trump himself is tiptoeing on the precipice of declaring that diversity is a liability rather than an asset. During BO’s rule, this would have been unthinkable.

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Range Front Fault

Yes…we’re drawing closer. I’m dropping white pills, you’re dropping white pills, we all drop white pills. White Pills ’til the end of time. No stopping the pills. We all wake up!… our new Nationalist Nursery Rhyme.

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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

I read somewhere that in Moslem-infested parts of England, the Heritage English are more likely to describe themselves as Christian than in non-infested areas. Diversity creates a recognition of difference, contrary to what libs and cucks think.

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Al from da Nort

I guess the big question right now is if it is too late to re-introduce and re-invigorate American Civic Nationalism. It seems a consensus here that it cannot be done. But it seems that Pres. Trump feels that it *can* be done. At least he’s acting that way. Maybe Tucker thinks so too. AnCivNat was an important, positive* way that the prior elite papered over the very real ethnic and cultural differences among so-called ‘white’ immigrants from Europe that existed from even before independence. That all changed when the urban D elite section sought to cement their power by changing… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Consider that many non-whites/J3ws may be literally incapable of being civnats because their tribalism is hard-wired.

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3g4me

LineInTheSand: Change that to most – or I would argue almost all – non-whites/J3ws are incapable of being genuine civnats. Add in reversion to the mean and the problem with large numbers, and I don’t see how it will ever be in any way positive to have a visible, identifiable non-European population pretending to be part of “us.”

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Al from da Nort

Here’s the link to the article I mentioned for those disinclined to hit the ‘older posts’ button a few times;

http://www.rottenchestnuts.com/thinking-like-historians/

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Moran ya Simba

I saw him say ‘that’s the most racist thing I’ve heard’ about the Dems, maybe yesterday in a clip. It was a clear case of civ nat. I dont think he gets the white identity stuff. But how could he?? The man is sherman tank, mustang fighter vintage.

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1. We take a wait & see approach with Tucker. Right now things are too fluid for a friend or foe or useless meatstick, diagnosis. 2. I don’t think it’s ALL about securing status and money for him, which would reveal itself by him playing it safe. He’s been unsafe, which is why we’ve all wondered aloud here when he’s gonna be fired. 3. He’s not merely “the most we can hope for right now” or “a better version of O’reilly”. No he’s really quite remarkable (for these times). A different animal from the semi-literate or fake smart hosts and… Read more »

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Trump and Tucker are a fantastic team against the culture war. My impression is that Tucker has a dualistic pipeline role between Trump and Fox’s receptive audience. He develops and conveys the intellectual underpinnings that Trump doesn’t have time for, adds context to Trump’s policies and smooths out any “misunderstood” gestures. In turn, since Tucker has a proven “finger” on the pulse of right-leaning influencers, Trump is getting valued live feedback in realtime. As Frip said, when Tucker votes up or down, he first puts it through a particular mix of filters that Trump values and can’t infer from raw… Read more »

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Range Front Fault

I keep up with a former water company co-worker for the shits and grins of watching the academic woo-woo Left. Her daughter in Lafayette, CA has been sending the kids to The White Pony-Meher Baba School of Sufism Reoriented. Too much money so the kids will enter public school for the first time. Little Snowflakes! Am expecting to hear stories of their great shock and maladjustment to public school. http://www.sufismreoriented.org/meherschools.html “Unity in the midst of diversity can be made to be felt only by touching the very core of the heart. That is the work for which I have come.”–… Read more »

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I think a lot of standard issue conservatives would be quite happy to visit the grievance studies departments and hold seminars on the dangers of identity politics. It’s just that they would never be allowed in the door, and if they were they would be attacked by mobs of raging ignorant children.

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Wilburn Sprayberry

“When a Tucker Carlson [speaks out against] the evils of identity politics, one has to wonder if he is really an asset.” – first doubts I’ve ever heard expressed by a major Dissident Right figure about Tucker’s usefulness. I agree. I’ve had doubts about Tucker’s never-ending double-downing on the greatness & necessity of color-blind America, & the dangers of identity politics, for a long time. His spiel is nothing but civnat catnip: reassurance to aging Boomers that they’ve been right all along…administering more of the same pleasant to hear but ultimately deadly poison through their ancient ears. Still, it will… Read more »

kleist
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kleist

Here’s a different take on the event from a writer who’s not as preoccupied with the issue of undue Zionist influence: https://spectator.us/nationalist-surprise/

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Z: “When you witness this stuff up close, it is hard not to get angry about it and develop a deep loathing for the people behind it. When a Tucker Carlson does a bit on the evils of identity politics, one has to wonder if he is really an asset. To perpetuate white self-loathing in an age of racial politics and minority-majority demographics is to invite terror upon white people. To anathematize whites in order to prevent white identity is to counsel the victim to just lie back and take it.” True. “When you witness this stuff up close.” It’s… Read more »

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YourNeighbor

Frip, why do you bother here. You are a self-described “casual user.” What I want for you is to go forward and be useful someday. For all you are now, you are a pathetic basement-dwelling nig nog. Say “hi” to mom for me, it’s terrible that dad walked out from the home to buy milk and he never came back. I think I appreciate his reasons.

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wtf

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

@YourNeighbor. Hey dude. Why the agitation, did your weed connection get popped? You and I are guests but Mr. Frip is a paying customer. So yah, why not just smooth it on out and relax. In the mean time you can swing by the package store and pick up a 12 pack. Believe me, it helps.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I like Frip, he’s a funny guy. I imagine a SoCal hippie w a sense of reality lol

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Why do Jews hate white people so much?

Abbott*und*Costello
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Abbott*und*Costello

We’re the only demographic that has succeeded against their vile behaviors and intentions. They know they suck and we can own them. Again.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Much of Kevin MacDonald’s academic work has been devoted to your question. I won’t post a spoiler here.

Jackson
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Jackson

One of your best.

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Official Bologna Tester

The National Conservatism Conference, is just more f**king lipstick on a pig. I am sick to death of playing the game by the Devils rules. Z Man said: “There’s something more important about these lectures. They are built on the assumption that the worst of all identity politics is white identity politics. Blacks embracing their racial awareness is not only ignored, but often celebrated by the same people fretting over white identity. Jewish identity, of course, is the greatest of all possible things. A multi-million dollar celebration of it was just staged in the capital, along with hundreds of media… Read more »

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Yelloweish

If in the next election whites vote their skin, Trump wins a fifty state landslide and 70% of the popular vote.

Say what ?

you should know that at this point white women don’t recognize their root any more

midterm election shows women want side with winning team such as Jew and other minority not a white men

whites are so divided right now there is no sign of trump winning re-election

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Official Bologna Tester

Yelloweish said: whites are so divided right now there is no sign of trump winning re-election.” In 2016, 99% of planet earth were absolutely certainly that Hell Whore Hillary was going to run the board. Never say never.

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Yellow, those mid-terms were like a scary thing as a child you wish you could forget. Especially as they came after the Kavanaugh travesty, which many of us thought might’ve woke normie a bit. But it didn’t. Please don’t remind us of the mid-terms again. Thanks.

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Z man, as usual, misses the 800lb gorilla in the room that is most responsible for the long trending decline of Western Civilization; feminism’s empowering women having a directly attached effect of dropping birth rates to below replacement levels in wealthy 1st world nations (yes, the International Globohomo Bankster NWO both bankrolled and promoted feminism to politically energize gynocentrism as a weapon against Western Civilization as they also did with the debunked idea of egalitarianism, but we’ll leave that for another discussion). TFM discusses it here with his usual clarity: Tick..Tock… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gZKvmzwv97U ?cb=1316018730 Here are the sources that he quotes:… Read more »

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vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉

OT but lessons from the enemy; the Fall of Prog Netroots. Short version: tech shifted from blogs to social media as did Americans and fragmentation between ideological purists vs apologists for those in power.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/17/democratic-netroots-markos-moulitsas-227363

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Democrats love pedophiles and incest. Republicans cover for them. Fuck them all.

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Abelard Lindsey

Strategically-speaking, Reagan was a bit of a white identarian. In 1980 he made the calculation that blacks would never vote for him in significant numbers. So he made the calulated decision not to court the black vote. This paid off for him. Not because of white identity politics but simply because there was no point in him campaigning for people he was not going to get anyways. He made the same choice in 1984. I remember some of the black leaders (Jesse Jackson among them) making a hoohaa over this, with the media trying to fan the flames. Reagan, with… Read more »

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Johnb

Whites are the slaves or serfs of this society. It’s not just minorities that live off of them as parasites, it’s the bureaucrats, Wall Street, the Pentagon, etc. They depend on whites to keep this whole rotten anti-white clown show going, and not just economically either. If whites decide to take their ball and bat and go home, the whole system collapses. Which is why I advocate a white boycott of the military, or at least the Army and Marines. Such a boycott would make the John Boltons of this world irrelevant. They’re not going to be able to continue… Read more »

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“When a Tucker Carlson does a bit on the evils of identity politics, one has to wonder if he is really an asset.”

Everyone in Washington pretends to be cast from that non-threatening mainstream mold. Most are lying, maybe even to themselves. It makes sense that among the ambitious on our side that some would hide what they are to fit in and be successful. Is Tucker one of those? Nobody knows but Tucker.

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“A back of the envelope count says it was 65% white, 30% Jewish and 5% other. It may have been more Jewish than that, but not every Jew wears a yarmulke.”

Or is non-“White”.