Thinking About The Unthinkable

Last summer, cable personality Tucker Carlson started doing a bit where he claimed to believe in things like extra-terrestrials, or at least believe they are possible. He would go through a list of things that he used to think were impossible, then finish with how in a world where Donald Trump is president, anything is possible. The point was not to talk about little green men, but to highlight how our old assumptions have to be abandoned, because many of them have been proven false by events.

It is a good thing to keep in mind when evaluating predictions about what comes after the great lock down. Trump is no longer talking about Easter as the back to normal date and has extended the lock down through April. Governors are now in a race to see who can come up with the bleakest prediction for when things get back to normal. The Brits now lead the race with six months as their estimate. This is an unprecedented time, which means what was considered unthinkable is very thinkable.

For example, ten years ago most Americans assumed the political classes had learned a hard lesson from Watergate. They had let the security services run wild for too long and suddenly they were a threat to the politicians. The days of a J. Edgar Hoover spying on people were over. Not only was that false, but there was a plot among FBI officials to interfere in the presidential election. They went so far as to concoct an impeachment trap in order to remove Donald Trump.

Six months ago is was unthinkable that these same security agencies would have the president removed by some other means. Six month ago we did not have a third of the country hiding under their beds. We did not have major cities turned into ghost towns by quarantine orders. How unreasonable is it to think that the same people who launched the seditious plot in 2015 would find themselves a Lee Harvey Oswald? It sounds crazy, but we live in an age where the crazy quickly becomes the norm.

What about something less cloak and dagger like martial law? State governors are getting pretty close to the line between state of emergency and assuming dictatorial powers over their states. New Jersey is supposedly issuing travel passes to citizens and arresting people for gathering in their own homes. Los Angeles has suspended the second amendment. Trump has contemplated a Federal quarantine of New York City, which would probably mean troops on the streets to enforce it.

On April 27, 1861, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus between Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia so military authorities could silence rebel dissenters. In a world where governors are calling up the National Guard in order to enforce a lock down, is martial law really unthinkable? Sure, some nutty judge would no doubt challenge Trump on something like this, but what about governors? Would a corrupt judge like Amy Berman Jackson challenge a fellow party member like Cuomo on this?

What about the upcoming election? The Democrats have already suspended many of their state primaries for this virus. Given that Joe Biden is in such poor health now, they may force the suspension of the remaining primaries in order to have an easier time finding a replacement for him at the convention. That’s a precedent that could easily be used to delay the general election in November. What if New York and California have a second wave of the flu in the fall? Unthinkable?

How about something way out there with Tucker Carlson’s space aliens, like a military coup to topple Trump? The military is riddled with multicultural lunatics these days, so you know many are fanatical Trump haters. You can be sure there are a few generals who think they are Napoleon trapped in the body of a mediocrity. Given what we saw with the FBI, it is not unreasonable to think that the same “us versus them” mentality has crept into the officer ranks of the military.

Of course, for a military coup to work, it needs at least some support down the line, but mostly it needs civilian support. An ambitious general would need someone that really hates Trump to be the fig leaf for the coup. Would a vindictive old bat like Nancy Pelosi entertain such an idea? Would a group of Senators from the neoconservative cult consider such a thing? It seems unthinkable, but again, we live in an age when the unthinkable is not just thinkable, but happening in real life.

Of course, military coups and revolutions at the top have the habit of setting off civil unrest, as some portion of the public protests what’s happening. Locking people in their homes and communities will have unanticipated consequences. Lots of things that were out of the question now start entering people’s minds. The riots in Wuhan after they lifted the lock down is a good reminder that forcing people to do something does not change their unhappiness with the policy. It just intensifies it.

If this does go on for months and the cracks in the ruling class begin to show, is civil unrest really unthinkable? Is civil war unthinkable? Rhode Island now considers New Yorkers persona non grata. Pennsylvania is doing the same. Mainers are now going vigilante on suspected New Jerseyites. Sure, concern for the virus is the stated reason, but a general dislike for New Yorkers is the real reason. There are lots of such divisions in this country. Is civil war really so unthinkable?

Just because something is possible, does not mean it is likely. It is possible to hit the lottery for a billion dollars, but the odds are very small. What we’re talking about here though are the things that were thought impossible or close to impossible just six months ago that are now suddenly possible. Maybe they are still unthinkable within the ruling classes, but we thought the FBI and CIA spying on presidential candidates was unthinkable until not so long ago.

We live in an age where the unthinkable, like the fog, quietly creeps up on us until suddenly the unthinkable is the new normal. Just as “shelter in place” is the new normal whenever it snows, mandatory lock downs will be the new normal whenever too many people get the sniffles. The unthinkable not only becomes thinkable, it becomes impossible to think otherwise. It also means that everything unthinkable today is suddenly on the table, maybe even the menu, for tomorrow.


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Chaz Chazstein
Chaz Chazstein
Member
6 months ago

What happens when this becomes endemic? We no longer have flu season, instead we have lockdown season.

Gasman
Gasman
Reply to  Chaz Chazstein
6 months ago

There’s no doubt in my mind that this will happen again — at least as long as Trump (or a non-democrat party apparatchik) is in the White House. The power surge to the tyrants is too intoxicating to not do so.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Chaz Chazstein
6 months ago

There’s a significant percentage of people (mostly female, with some Soyboys mixed in there) who are actively enjoying this.

I question if life will ever go back to normal, and I question if there will ever be any significant pushback on repeated delays in letting us out of lockdown.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  MemeWarVet
6 months ago

Even at Peak Soy there is a limit to what people will endure. But keep in mind that in a progressive gynocracy the definition of Normal is Just a 12 month moving average. Fear is a powerful accelerant. So now I’d say we are running a 3-month window. Progress has a way of turning us into goldfish. The youngins, who are assuming a larger role in who we are, also have no concept of history; who we were. Even when the pushback happens, we might just find the demands of the grass-eaters to be more akin to comfortable imprisonment than… Read more »

KHS71
KHS71
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

Forgive student debt. I am waiting for the banks to close for a few days because of the virus. Open back up a few days later and all of a sudden, you only have half you money. Bank holiday, here we come.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  KHS71
6 months ago

You mean something like the current stock market? Hell, they only needed to close for 15 minutes or so. 🙁

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  KHS71
6 months ago

Selectively. I want sociology and grievance studies majors to work theirs off on asbestos removal teams.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  MemeWarVet
6 months ago

As I wrote below, my, perhaps naive, hope is that at the county level we see sanctuary proclamations from these lock downs, much as we see with immigration or the second amendment.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  MemeWarVet
6 months ago

well, i’m enjoying it immennsly. Laying about reading and fishing. also fixed a couple of things around the house. declaration of a debt jubilee and it would be perfect.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
6 months ago

Yes, let’s push back.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Chaz Chazstein
6 months ago

I have noticed how weirdly resistant some Democrats are to alternatives to statist lock-downs. Chloroquine now the obvious drug to use as both treatment for mild cases to prevent hospitalizations, and as a preventative. Many New York nurses and doctors are taking it as a preventative while 1,100 people are in a trail in NY. Yet two Democrat Governors have actually banned prescribing it to outpatients. A big mask slip that they are high on their new power?

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Drake
6 months ago

Yes, it’s strange that the left and the media don’t seem to be pleased that Chloroquine (plus the other drug) seems to working.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Wolf Barney
6 months ago

I’m sure big pharma would have preferred if some really expensive AIDS anti-virals were the magic bullets, not an 80-year-old drug and zinc-paks – both with expired patents and about as expensive to manufacture as aspirin. But the dumber Dems in NV and MI really dug in their heels on it.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Wolf Barney
6 months ago

Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. The media is trying to slow roll Chloroquine because there’s no money in it for Big Pharma, which means no new ad buys from them. Some exotic, custom vaccine that can be patented by Big Pharma means billions in new ad buys for the media. Also, Orange Man Bad!!!!

Drake
Drake
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
6 months ago

That’s part of it. Also the moment Trump said it looked promising, TDS forced them to hate a drug developed during the Roosevelt Administration.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Drake
6 months ago

“TDS. Is there anything it can’t do?”

I like the Scott Adams thing this morning: Something along the lines of “Trump changes his mind so often that CNN can’t keep up with how to be on the other side of his arguments”.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Wolf Barney
6 months ago

“[T]he media don’t seem to be pleased that Chloroquine (plus the other drug) seems to working.” No, they’re not. The reason? HCL was first touted by Trump as a potential life-saver. The media is motivated by leftist hatred toward Trump, so anything supported by him must be bad. This is why Zman says we shouldn’t hate anyone, because when you do you “define yourself” with reference to that which you hate. Think about it: Hostility toward a life-saving drug in a possible pandemic because it was first promoted by Trump. Insane leftist hatred.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Drake
6 months ago

Because of my frustration with Trump for having never done anything he talked about as a candidate, I would have been the first one to tell the Trump defenders to stop exaggerating about how everything is a plan by the MSM/Democrats to get Trump. Sure, they’re going to spin it against Trump. No matter what he does, they’re going to be critical. They’ll highlight anything that makes Trump look bad while keeping quiet on the positive. But if one of these guys always going on about somebody “owning the libs” told me that because Trump spoke positively and hopefully of… Read more »

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  Federalist
6 months ago

“The people in charge are totally insane.”

One flu over the cuckoo’s nest.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Chaz Chazstein
6 months ago

My guess is it becomes a seasonal irritation like the flu. We’re biologically tough. The susceptible will be weeded out. The rest will adapt and overcome.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Paintersforms
6 months ago

Good example, smallpox. Europe lived with it for millennia, Spaniards brought it over to new world and within 100 years or so, 90% of the natives, gone—as they had never encountered it and had no time to adapt.

Gasman
Gasman
6 months ago

I’ve always considered myself to be somewhat naive, perhaps even a bit obtuse. Unfortunately, and although I am now somewhat of a pariah for not believing that this manufactured crisis was a species-threatening event, I predicted that it would be used exactly as it is.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Gasman
6 months ago

It is the second order effects that kill you. Take Haiti–few people die in the earthquakes and cyclonic storms–many more die of cholera, malnutrition and violence afterwards.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  SamlAdams
6 months ago

That’s what worries me, in particular, supply chains. At what point does the farm, processing, distribution and trucking system begin to crack? And if it does, of course the government has to step in and run it.

You think you want someone like Cuomo okaying your groceries?

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Major Hoople
6 months ago

SA, the government can always fill up the EBT cards with something that resembles dollars. Nothing to spend it on, the stores empty? I can see some violence, and political fractures. I think the moment the political class begins to get an inkling off this, that’s the moment the Great Virus Shutdown ends.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Major Hoople
6 months ago

Already seeing worker revolts at Amazon as more workers test positive. Can’t pick, fill and label boxes from home.

S. Clay Wilson
Member
Reply to  Major Hoople
6 months ago

He’s better than Bloomberg.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  SamlAdams
6 months ago

Haitians die because Haiti is what you get when you think Wakanda is possible.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Maus
6 months ago

I agree. Sadly, this country now has a lot of those people, too.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Maus
6 months ago

Do you think anybody realllly thinks wakanda is in the cards. I found it patronizing.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Gasman
6 months ago

That makes two of us, GM. We’re all thinking the unthinkable now. The next civil war will have at least 5 teams on it.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Gasman
6 months ago

you should take that predictive power to vegas

Gasman
Gasman
Reply to  Karl McHungus
6 months ago

@Karl, if I could parlay it into some significant winnings, I would. Alas, it seems that, in this case, it has been easier for me to predict the actions of the psychopaths and tyrants that infest all levels of our so-called government.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Gasman
6 months ago

I’ve largely given up trying to explain to the hysterics at iSteve that the fallout from euthanizing the global economy will be far worse than anything the virus could have achieved on its own. No one has been able to present any images of stacked corpses in return. The only images I’ve found are scare shots of empty tents, refrigerated semi trailers, and ventilators wrapped in plastic. The NYT posted an absolutely laughable, Blair Witch-style scare video from Elmhurst this past weekend. #Coronahoax

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Fluella De Vil
6 months ago

That’s it? 12 lumps under sheets?

The Buzzfeed version of the story has all kinds of bizarre, irrelevant details like the age of the nurse and the anecdote about his last patient’s pajamas come off like try hard details intended to humanize the story, especially the line about the Holocaust at the end. Come on.

joey junger
joey junger
Reply to  Fluella De Vil
6 months ago

This happens all the time with morgues; they fill up on weekends when killers kill each other. I remember it starting after the Dadeland Shootout in Miami, when the Cocaine Wars got started in earnest. Corona doesn’t kill people. Colombians with submachineguns kill people.

Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
6 months ago

My YouTube feed is full of stills for videos showing just coffins, mainly in connection with the situation in Italy. That’s it, just out of context coffins. It’s like some deranged Hollywood Halloween for them. Next thing you know they’ll be showing the Italian parliament as a spooky old castle on a hill lit by flashes of lightning.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
6 months ago

My favorite “almost” for a proxy to stacked corpses was the shot of an empty church in northern Italy where the pews were filled with the coffins of those destined to be unmourned. It was a tour de force of grief, fear and a slightly bitter hint of gratitude that but for lockdown this fate awaits us all. /sarc

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
6 months ago

Howard,
Not that it helps, but I appreciate your comments on Steve Sailer’s blog. If not for a handful of sensible commenters, I would have had to give up Sailer until the panic abates.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Gasman
6 months ago

Has anyone considered the theory that this virus pandemic is a plot cooked up by spooks in the CIA? We know they consider human lives expendable in furtherance of their politics.

Fluella De Vil
Fluella De Vil
Reply to  Epaminondas
6 months ago

Only us tinfoil hatters.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Everything’s a psyop.

george 1
george 1
Reply to  Epaminondas
6 months ago

Epaminondas: The sad thing is we would be fools to rule out the possibility.

joey junger
joey junger
Reply to  Epaminondas
6 months ago

You know what I’ve thought about (but not mentioned for fear of people telling me I’m nuts)? Years ago a Chinese dissident was imprisoned, got TB in jail, and then when he got out he went around coughing and spitting in various bowls of food in restaurants all over the provinces (discreetly, of course). He killed hundreds. What if someone sympathetic to Hong Kong or another anti-Chi Com decided to get this bug out of a lab where their friend worked in order to spread it to make the Commies look bad?

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
6 months ago

#Superdole2020

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
6 months ago

Come from a business where we regularly have to think about the “unthinkable”–50/100/250 year events. One has to adjust their resource commitment to the highest probabilities–but to devote no thinking or planning to the “tail” is foolish–since these are the events that are truly existential. Increasingly think the propensity of our elite “betters” to go and hide in some safe location–David Geffen proudly tweeting from his yacht ensconced in the Grenadines or wealthy NY’ers fleeing to NE island havens and bringing the virus with them and cleaning our the grocery shelves, while the year round population that barely ekes by… Read more »

Chris_Lutz
Member
Reply to  SamlAdams
6 months ago

Most of the country is growing to hate New York. First they behave stupidly and let their Chinese New Year’s festival continue, and encourage people to go. Next they whine they don’t have enough medical supplies. This from a city and state with massive taxes. Finally, their residents flee, spreading the virus.

How long before individuals are being sued for spreading the virus?

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
6 months ago

Most of us have always hated them. I have a friend from the Buffalo area, most upstate NYers are right with us.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  David_Wright
6 months ago

I know there are lots of Bangladeshi immigrants in Brooklyn who are moving to Buffalo. Does your friend know why?

Chris_Lutz
Member
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
6 months ago

Obviously for its similarity to the climate of Bangladesh.

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
6 months ago

He moved to Minnesota.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
6 months ago

I can’t say that I’ve noticed an influx of Bangladeshis in the Buffalo area. The largest (or at least most publicized and feted) subset of immigrants, outside the ubiquitous Hispanic horde, is from Burma. In the grand scheme of things, it could be a lot worse, e.g. the Somalis in Minnesota and Maine. I don’t know how they would support themselves, but Buffalo’s been somewhat of a lure for downstate hipster types because of the relatively inexpensive nature of the housing market. And yes, there is surely a higher percentage of upstaters that are appalled by what’s happened this month.… Read more »

UFO
UFO
Reply to  KGB
6 months ago

No such thing as “it could be worse”. Stop grading non-whites on some arbitrary curve – well, Burmese aren’t Muslim and they don’t commit crimes, so I guess we have to let them in.

A non-white group in the country means another tribal competitor against my people. I have nothing against Burmese people; but they belong in Burma not in Buffalo. Regardless of their IQ, religion, or crime statistics.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  UFO
6 months ago

I’m pretty sure I didn’t say, and certainly never thought, “we have to let them in because they’re not as bad as Somalis.” It’s just an observation.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
6 months ago

Because the gibs go a lot further up there than in NYC.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  SamlAdams
6 months ago

“the gibs go further”

True, but I’d bet nearly anything the real reason is: BFYTW, you deplorable hicks. As in white(r) regions must be made less white By All Means Necessary.

In that vein, I now identify as African-American. Because I Believe In Science! (TM). My remote ancestors came from Africa, so I am AA. I think we should all identify as AA for the upcoming Census to show our Support for Science. The incidental effect of a sudden “influx” of AAs in previously non-diverse areas will have on redistricting is left as an exercise for the student.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  David_Wright
6 months ago

I’m sure everybody will be shocked to learn than The Big Bagel is Europeans’ favourite US city.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Felix Krull
6 months ago

Not really, there’s a lot to see in NYC. The trick is to be a tourist with a place to go back to. It’s a bit more disconcerting when having to resign yourself to living there.

Stirge
Stirge
Reply to  David_Wright
6 months ago

I live in the Rochester area, I can attest to the fact we hate being tied to NYC

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  David_Wright
6 months ago

At one time, there was talk in NY State about upstate NY splitting away from NYC and its burbs. Nothing came of it, obviously.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
6 months ago

That’s a shame. Wish we would do that with Philly. Give it to NJ, where it culturally and economically belongs.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
6 months ago

You have to watch Red Bill ringside to fully appreciate the combination of laziness and stupidity.

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
6 months ago

“The New Normal”, “buy the dip”, “flatten the curve”, “trust the plan”, “patriots are in control”. What other ones have I forgotten?

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

“Better to fight them over there than over here”

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  MemeWarVet
6 months ago

“if you’re not with us then you’re with the terrorists”

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

Remember this one…?
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Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Epaminondas
6 months ago

Ha! An oldie but a goodie from the late, unlamented Ford Administration; along with swine flu and legionnaires disease. Although we didn’t totally tank the economy over those, so Jerry had at least that over Don.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
6 months ago

Not a good example …. The guy that said that got hit by the Diversty Truck.😆👍

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

“Don’t let the terrorists win.”

Ray z
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
6 months ago

“Love wins”

joey junger
joey junger
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

“When you’re hungry for bat, Wuhan’s got you covid!” “Don’t go to Dunkin’. Go spelunkin'”

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  joey junger
6 months ago

I am warming up my social responses about the next administration, whenever that is. “Vote like a ‘Good American'”. “One party, one leader, one country”. “That new guy sure is going to get the trains running on time”.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

“Diversity is our strength.”

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

“That’s racist!”

Walt Jeffers
Walt Jeffers
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

“We just can’t cut and run”

Ray z
Member
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

“We’re all in this together”

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Ray z
6 months ago

“Work makes you free”.

Charlemagne
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

“That’s who we are.”

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

You forgot one of the big ones from post 9/11 that is now coming back with a vengeance. The State Approved Snitch Mantra. “If you see something, say something.”

And the sheep who gladly lick their master’s hand are doing so with glee snitching on their neighbors for not ‘social distancing’. This whole thing is a bit of a black pill if I’m being honest at just how easily cowed the average retard is.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

“Just Say No.”

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

“Most powerful military in the history of man!”*

*(That can’t win wars, because reasons)

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
6 months ago

Civil unrest is a given now. Does that transition into a civil war between and among states? It’s still unlikely but not so much we shouldn’t acknowledge it. You are right there. The fury directed at New Yorkers by their fellow Northeasterners makes sense in hindsight but it was not expected. I stick with this as the last week where Americans abide by lockdown requirements, which in places such as New Jersey are as draconian as found in officially totalitarian countries. How the state and local governments respond to dissent will tell us about the trajectory this will take. People… Read more »

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Jack Dobson
6 months ago

What do you think of Trump’s comment on “forced quarantine” of NY/NJ and then walking that back? And then punting on Easter, deferring to the latest carbon credit calculator for more federal distancing guidance? I hadn’t paid much attention to it as the Trump twitter bluster ticker is tedious to track. But, it occurred to me later that perhaps he was baiting them. I.e. If it is so awful there, so dire, and the shelter-in-place is the only option, lets bring in the guard and really apply the cure with gusto. So the gov either works with Trump (terrible!) or… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

The single most terrifying thing is citizens reporting on citizens who are believed to have “too many people” inside their houses or at gatherings. This is social media shrieking and censorship moving into real time. That’s how all totalitarian systems work–with the compliance and full support of the oppressed. Dissidents always are, usually for a long time, small minorities in communist countries and they always are hated by the masses until a certain point. It’s why accelerationism is a bad idea as strategy, in my opinion. It would fail at this point because it is too soon. I stick with… Read more »

Patrick
Patrick
6 months ago

Trump should really listen to his gut and tell the ‘health professionals’ in his advisory board to sit down. Ending this thing by Easter was something many people I know out here in flyoverland found to be a reasonable (if not a maximum) amount of restriction they’d be willing to tolerate. This has certainly put a damper on some attitudes in a few corners.

To paraphrase a certain treasonous neocon snake, “This is not who we are.”

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Patrick
6 months ago

Trump quoted Fauci estimating 2.2 million U.S. deaths if we don’t continue the lockdowns. This is insane. If we assume all 330 million American get it, and the death rate stays impossibly high at 1%, you only get 3.3 million deaths. So we expect over 2/3 of the maximum possible if this were a much worse contagion? The cruise ship infection rate was 17% while they were living in a giant petri dish. Smart politics on Trump’s part, because he is following elite medical opinion, and will get credit when the death rate turns out to be about 100,000. But… Read more »

Andy Texan
Reply to  DLS
6 months ago

Hopefully he will pivot back to Easter end of the craziness with good data and the efficacy of the Trump-pill cocktail.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  DLS
6 months ago

This is just like trying to do loss estimates on mass tort cases. Sketchy input information will generate results that are all over the board.

Michael Smith
Michael Smith
Reply to  Patrick
6 months ago

His health advisors don’t won’t have to answer for the unemployment- he will. They should not be the ones making these decisions.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
6 months ago

I think it’s time to start gathering.

Correction: It’s time to start gathering.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Lawdog
6 months ago

NO! That just makes it easier for the jackboots to round up dissidents for the detention camps. Go dark and wait. The Deep State is very well prepared to defeat ad hoc militias (shoot first is their SOP). The citizenry is not the enemy. The fish rots from the head. That is where the cure will be found.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  TomA
6 months ago

Do nothing and wait? That’s what we’ve *been* doing. It’s what they’re planning for. And they could round us up right now if they’d like. Perhaps they already have.

I would never advocate violence. Still, the government needs to witness that we are willing and able to mobilize.

The fish’s head has enough ice to stay fresh forever.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Lawdog
6 months ago

The tyranny disease is concentrated in a relatively small number of psychopaths that are well guarded by a phalanx of jackboots and mercenaries. The average Joe Citizen is not the problem. And you cannot be of any help in remedying this curse by putting a target on your back. Be smart, be dark, and be ready. And think outside the box. If you’re predictable, you’re as good as dead already.

Lawdog
Lawdog
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Reply to  TomA
6 months ago

Isn’t “be dark” just a stylized way of saying “do nothing”? That’s the most predictable thing around. In fact, I bet that’s part of what draws us here. This site is indispensable, but theorizing and dialogue convinces us we’re doing more than we really are. What is a movement that never appears?

And I am not casting any aspersions on the citizens.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Lawdog
6 months ago

Isn’t “be dark” just a stylized way of saying “do nothing”?

It can be, yes. But serious people rarely speak publicly about all (or any) of the things they are doing.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
6 months ago

“He knew nothing about me, which was good. But I would’ve preferred he knew several things about me, none of which were true.”

Anon – Celtic saying

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  TomA
6 months ago

Yeah Tom, just prior to the virus, the neo-nazi white nationalism is our greatest threat to democracy narrative was trending sharply from the usual sources. How easy will it be for them to dovetail the white men bad into new normal of virus-mandated civil obedience? I am already seeing the crazies on the neighborhood boards playing the ‘toxic white male privilege’ card on any man attempting to bring a calm, rational tone to the otherwise histrionic echo chamber of NPR talking points. That said, I think our guys would be well served to spend the house arrest time continuing to… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

Right, that’s what I mean. I’m not talking about a rebellion; I’m talking about people getting together and sharing information. Still, I think we should prepare to peacefully protest.

Yes, the media will call us monsters. But it will become harder to vilify us as our social conditions worsen, and we can take measures to mitigate the media’s attempts to malopticize us.

vmax71
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

start by building a well at your house for clean water and getting a gas power generator for your home (solar sucks) to decompress your house from the city electrical and water grid and perhaps a septic tank.

David Davenport
David Davenport
Reply to  vmax71
6 months ago

“start by building a well at your house for clean water and getting a gas power generator … ” etc.

That sounds like a lot of work. Make sure the top of your septic tank is below the level of the bottom of your well.

Your going to get all that done by the time the quarantine’s lifted, right?

vmax71
Reply to  David Davenport
6 months ago

piss off.

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  TomA
6 months ago

Recommended reading during the lock down, Convict Conditioning by Paul Wade.

Time for us to “get swole” like our African-American friends like to say.

https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mp_getswole_phase1-4-bb.pdf

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Judge Smails
6 months ago

Takes more muscles to frown than smile.
Get them gains.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Lawdog
6 months ago

120# of Quikcrete, 48” piling concrete form cut into 6” pieces, 5’ galvanized 1” pipe. 6” 1.25” pvc joiners. $30 at the Home Depot.

Backyard barbell. An hour of yard time mandated by the state board of corona prisons. Corona gains!

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

I’m just picturing a person doing sit ups and coughing at the peak each rep.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

You know never even thought of this. Amazing. I suppose dropping the weights is out of the question since they’ll crack?

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  BadThinker
6 months ago

Badthinker, sadly yes, the “crossfit drop” is not advisable. Unless maybe you have a rubber mat. You could higher quality cement too. I went cheap. Though the curing process os probably most important. But I also like to do the full lift. And while I do have a mirror (you know, purely for form) there are no fit bitches around to admire the ruckus of my swolle-storm. A tree falls…

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

Found this…
https://www.instructables.com/id/Concrete-Weight-Plates/

A commenter recommends adding iron or lead shot to the concrete to make heaver plates of the same size.

Could also maybe put some rebar in there for strength.

This guy too.

https://homemadestrength.blogspot.com/2012/04/concrete-weights.html

vmax71
Reply to  BadThinker
6 months ago

…OR go to Walmart/Target and buy the proper equipment.

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

“Murph”

1 mile run
20 sets of 5 pull-ups, 10 push-ups, 15 squatz
1 mile run

When it comes down to it nothing beats calisthenics for functional strength, and cardio is the most important.

Barnard
Barnard
6 months ago

You also see other resentments bubble to the surface in situations like this. That is what the incident in Vinalhaven, Maine is about. In places like that there are always a considerable number of locals who resent the tourism industry and the people it brings into their communities. The construction workers were probably working on a property for an uber wealthy out of state resident who spends weekends there in the summer. The locals who don’t work in tourism hate these people, with some jealously of their wealth playing into the resentment. They couldn’t stick to him personally, but they… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Barnard
6 months ago

The island where I spend the summers has five cases–all appear to be imports from people fleeing there from NY/NJ. The locals are not amused.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  SamlAdams
6 months ago

When my wife and I were vacationing in Maine we took a harbor cruise in Camden. The boat captain told a story about the former CEO of MBNA who paid an astronomical amount in fines to clear cut trees on his property so he could build a helicopter pad and fly in directly to his property on the weekends. I thought, the locals have to absolutely despise these people.

Chris_Lutz
Member
Reply to  Barnard
6 months ago

It’s like the old couple who got robbed of their dream home by the New York Richard Dreyfus in “What About Bob.”

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Barnard
6 months ago

The moral here is the general uselessness of fines against the rich. If its going to be seriously against the law offense needs to carry mandatory time, maybe hard labor for some years to deter. Otherwise the complete inability of society to shame the rich just makes the fine a “fee” which middle class people can’t pay. The other option which is fines scaled to income would probably require a Constitutional amendment but is the only way it would work with a fine. If the fine for a person of say 100k income is 100k (you did say astronomical) that… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  SamlAdams
6 months ago

The locals are not amused.

But they are happy enough to take the tourist dollar.

I am of the school of thought that believes tourist should be summarily mowed down with machineguns – especially when they loiter up locations I prefer to visit in peace, quiet and dignified contemplation – but if you allow tourists into your community, you don’t get to dictate when they can use their summer homes.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Felix Krull
6 months ago

All logical, but these are not logical times. Grew up in a tourist town, and now summer in one. One takeaway is am always conscious of that tension and actively try not to be a “tourist asshole” even after spending 27 years going to the place–and have more year-round friends there than “summer friends”.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Felix Krull
6 months ago

“if you allow tourists into your community”

Sure, but how do you keep them out? A nontrivial proportion of the most resentment-breeding summer home people are precisely those who have not only great wealth, but undue influence on both the creation and enforcement (or lack thereof) of laws. Any person or group trying to keep them out would be law-fared beyond an inch (or cm) of their lives, not to mention the de rigeur smears about Muh Anti-something something.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
6 months ago

Mike, I’ve lived in neighborhoods that managed to keep AirB’ing your neighhbors a manageable nuisance.

Guess what my neighbors did on Saturdays.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Had sex?

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Lawdog
6 months ago

Depends on whether the sex includes “work”.

Battery-operated sex toys would definitely be forbidden. (Though one on a timer that started automatically might be allowable, or perhaps a filthy nonbeliever subhuman could turn it on. Hmmm. Now there’s a niche career!) A culture where people spend their time figuring out ways to obey the bare letter of the law while blatantly ignoring the obvious intent and spirit, and indeed plotting how to fool G-d, is clearly incompatible with an open, high-trust society.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
6 months ago

Sure, but how do you keep them out?

Don’t you have zoning laws? If you don’t want summer homes in your county, don’t zone for them?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Felix Krull
6 months ago

Problem where I live is many former tourists are coming here to die. The retirement industry is happy to oblige. 55+ developments popping up everywhere. Who needs little league baseball fields when you can have luxury condos?

A temporary situation but there will be quite a mess to clean up in 20 years.

Randian Supremacist
Randian Supremacist
Reply to  Barnard
6 months ago

The sentiments down in Florida are the same. Every year it seems the traffic from the visiting “snowbirds” gets worse. Lots of NE and Midwest plates on cars driven by old fogeys who can’t drive competently, causing accidents. I’ve had a few close calls myself. Then there’s all the drunk spring break faggots clogging the beaches early spring. Looks like a lot of them are bringing the kung flu back with them to their home states. Traffic on the roads has been quite light, which is nice for a change. I can ride the motorcycle down the main roads and… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Randian Supremacist
6 months ago

I’m highly suspicious of the claims about the springbreakers taking the kung flu back with them. Either way it is a way to shame or to try to shame young people to toe the party line. As a matter of fact, that was the first act of real defiance and dissidence.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
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Reply to  Barnard
6 months ago

Tourism is a seductive easy buck. It rots out the soul of a town that once did more than sit on its backside all winter long. Almost every New England seaside vacation town once had a vibrant economy: Boat building, shipping, commercial fishing, furniture fabrication, knitting mills,canneries, iron works and summer tourism. The selling off of our industrial base made people more and more dependent upon tourism so towns changed zoning laws and made other accommodations which further expanded the their dependence on the tourist dollar. The loss of a diversified economy forced the young to look for opportunity elsewhere.… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Barnard
6 months ago

The video of the unrest on the Hubei/Jiangxi border was somewhat astounding to me. I live minutes from the NY/PA line and I can’t quite picture our respective law enforcement departments battling each other in the open. In one of the videos, the crowd can be heard chanting something akin to “Let’s go Hubei!” almost as if it was a sporting event. Perhaps, however, the events in RI, ME, and FL show that regionalism is similarly alive in these parts. It wouldn’t be the worst thing to happen, in fact it’s long past time to redraw some borders.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Barnard
6 months ago

“The locals who don’t work in tourism hate these people” Probably not as much as the locals who DO work in tourism hate those people. Heh. Though I think the above is true, I’d add two thoughts: 1. Absolute poverty is not nearly as much a breeder of resentment as is relative poverty. And uber-wealthy outsiders are pretty much the case study for highlighting relative poverty. 2. I seem to recall that a certain group of people (it escapes me exactly who at this moment, please forgive this isolation-induced dementia) frequently end up resented and hated, throughout time and space,… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
6 months ago

How about the Dems as the ones who try to postpone/cancel the fall election? If Biden is their guy, they may want to stretch things out until he shuffles away from the camera for good, like Tim Conway in a Carol Burnett episode, and they can then offer a real candidate.

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
6 months ago

A little over a month ago I did not expect to see empty store shelves. A little over a month ago I expected most health care professionals to act coldly analytical. A little over a month ago I did not expect to hear people asking for martial law (curiously, the same people calling Trump a dictator).

The divisions we glossed-over in a polite society are now there for all to see. I don’t believe we go back to ignoring those divisions to be polite.

Dutch
Dutch
6 months ago

Things change fast. It’s hard to believe that our west coast meet-up, nine of us, was less than two and a half months ago. Seems like years ago in another universe. We would now not be stopped because we openly discussed seditious and blasphemous things, but because getting nine people together in one place is now verboten. The good news is that a lot of rotten congregations like university education and false religion are shut down. The bad news is that, one day, our current links to the world, which are sites like these, will wink off. “Terms of service”… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

isn’t it convenient that we’re not permitted to assemble?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Lawdog
6 months ago

It’s amazing how so many of the “requirements” to fight CV19 are straight from the NWO globalist wishlist – cashless society, internal travel limitations, and proles shuttered in their homes.

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Dutch, absolutely agree with everything except “university education being shut down.” Not only is it not shut down but it is more of a joke than ever. Professors who had never set foot in an online LMS (learning management system) within a week of training are now “teaching” online courses. Not only that but there is a push to make most or all spring courses Pass/Fail because of “equity” concerns. I.E., POC students, not being blessed with white privilege are at a distinct disadvantage. As one example, an unmarried student said it was unfair to her because she had her… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  ExNativeSon
6 months ago

The U’s used to be able to pretend that being on campus somewhere was the student’s ticket to the good life. Now the same student is going to quickly figure out that teaching himself welding by YouTube is infinitely better than listening to some professor prattle on about privileges. Said student can have the U’s video going, to get his degree, while he secretly surfs sites that teach real world life skills. Similarly, without the trappings and environment of the church sanctuary, the messages being given must stand or fall on their own accord. I’m not seeing much success there,… Read more »

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Dutch, I am hoping for major changes in higher education being unexpected consequences of this virus shutdown. I agree that you need a church-like atmosphere in a confined area for the “white privilege” and “equity” BS to be followed blindly. I also don’t see parents continuing to shell out $35,000 a year to send their children to a UC to live on campus when they are in REAL TIME seeing said child sitting on the couch at home taking UC courses over the internet. Obviously some disciplines need to be taught at a campus site but thankfully those are “stem-like”… Read more »

ChetRollins
ChetRollins
6 months ago

Apparently the new guidelines come Tuesday, which could point to the statement being a trial balloon to test the people’s reaction. He can’t say people need to get back to work from one side of his mouth and say lockdown through April through the other.

An optimistic picture will be for the new recommendations to be healthy people work, lock down those at risk for the rest of the month. Of course, even our red state governors are too scared to be the first to lighten restrictions since, as Z has stated, there are only political downsides.

Chris_Lutz
Member
Reply to  ChetRollins
6 months ago

I’m hoping some of them get smart and decide that taking temps before entering work, spacing people out at restaurants, and keeping the vulnerable locked down is a better choice at this point. Plus shooting New Yorkers on sight.

joey junger
joey junger
6 months ago

Here’s my take on the chessboard (2D, 3D, or 4D, take your pick). The ruling class hates Trump more than they love anything, including their own children. The saner elements probably suspect that Trump is right that the cure is worse than the disease, but that’s why they’re publicly advocating the extension of the cure in supposed good faith. Sure it will cause a Depression, and no it won’t be entirely or even mostly Trump’s fault, but they called them Hoovervilles (even though a lot of historians argue he wasn’t as responsible as he was painted) and the mud will… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Amity Schlaes’ “The Forgotten Man” (which I admittedly read pre-Redpill) doesn’t exactly exonerate Hoover…As I recall, it’s an example of agreeing with Liberals for the wrong reasons.

joey junger
joey junger
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

I always think of “Ham on Rye,” Bukowski’s book about the Depression: “Hitler was acting up in Europe and creating jobs for everyone.” The Left in Europe likes to pretend neo-Nazis are real Nazis (since it keeps people scared and sort of justifies the oppression and surveillance), and they’ve literally made it legal to put the Flügel (arm of the AFD) under Verfassungsschutz control (basically our FBI for controlling internal dissidents), but the situation’s too hopeless right now probably for a strongman to rise on the continent and start a war to boost American manufacturing. The closest we get to… Read more »

Alex
Alex
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Jim Grant wrote this about the last non-Fed intervened financial crash in our history. Good book. https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Depression-Crash-Cured-Itself/dp/1451686463

bilejones
Member
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Hoover presided over the greatest expansion of the Federal Govt, then seen.

Ganderson
Ganderson
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

H.L. Mencken on Coolidge: “ In what manner he would have performed himself if the holy angels had shoved the Depression forward a couple of years – this we can only guess, and one man’s hazard is as good as another’s. My own is that he would have responded to bad times precisely as he responded to good ones – that is, by pulling down the blinds, stretching his legs upon his desk, and snoozing away the lazy afternoons…. He slept more than any other President, whether by day or by night. Nero fiddled, but Coolidge only snored…. Counting out… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  MemeWarVet
6 months ago

I haven’t read The Forgotten Man since shortly after its publication, but that was my memory as well. Schlaes opens the book with the story of Hoover’s response as Commerce Secretary to the 1927 floods along the Mississippi River. Hoover setup “dictators of resources” to distribute aid to those displaced by the flood. It is amazing how the left has been able to rewrite him as a hands off stock market worshiping President.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Barnard
6 months ago

“It is amazing how the left has been able to rewrite [Hoover] as a hands off stock market worshiping President.” Same as depicting the socialist Hitler and his socialist workers party as “right-wing.”

Michael Smith
Michael Smith
Reply to  Jim Smith
6 months ago

He was right wing. Defining right and left through economics is a modern thing.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  joey junger
6 months ago

I am curious whether Trump will be turned into a version of moustache man, who lives under the bed and never goes away (like he does now), or perhaps he will be airbrushed out of history, and there will be this strange four to eight year period in our history where “everything was terrible and nothing of it may ever be spoken of”. If Trump fails spectacularly during his time in office, be will be the boogily moustache man. If he largely succeeds, he will be airbrushed out, IMO.

Drake
Drake
6 months ago

“The military is riddled with multicultural lunatics these days, so you know many are fanatical Trump haters…” Sure, but… the percent in the ranks of actual combat units with TDS…? I’d guess a single digit percentage. Who cares what woke single mom in Navy Admin thinks? If some Admiral or Air Force General wants to become Caesar, s/he/ zi might find out that the 2nd Marine and 82nd Airborne Division troopers have different ideas and far more ability to get things done.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Drake
6 months ago

Smidge optimistic. The Washington officer corp is only ever around people inside and outside the government who think like them. I’m not sure how self-aware they are, but I’d imagine they are enough to know that, for example, the dyke carrier captain got her job the same way they did and that she’d be on the same page with whatever action they’d take.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Member
Reply to  Drake
6 months ago

“…the percent in the ranks of actual combat units with TDS…? I’d guess a single digit percentage. Who cares what woke single mom in Navy Admin thinks?” Indeed, however the vast majority of line officers come out of state colleges, not West Point (for the Army) nor whatever the equivalent for the Marines is. A college degree is required to obtain officership in the US military. Where the vast majority of mid-rank and senior government positions are held by liberal morons, people indoctrinated and produced by an insipid college system, it’s not out of the realm of possibility the armed… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Forever Templar
6 months ago

Marines get some O’s from Annapolis and Navy ROTC w/ Marine option. Also a get a few Mustangs – enlisted who get their degree and go to Officer Candidate School.

TomA
TomA
6 months ago

In a fog, facts matter more than ever. The Obama Administration seduced the DOJ/FBI/CIA/IRS/NSA etc into becoming de facto criminal enterprises beginning in 2010 and persisting to the present. That fact is not a trivial thing. Despite trying everything short of overt assassination, the Deep State has not given up on removing Trump from office. It will only get worse, and trashing the world economy is just the latest ploy. This game is being played for keeps and you will know the tipping point has been passed when the jackboots show up at your door.

Felix Krull
Member
6 months ago

The point was not to talk about little green men, but to highlight how our old assumptions have to be abandoned,

#AlexJonesWasRight

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

Well, we have what looks like a genuine national, and international, crisis, we have clowns in positions of authority b/c if you re not a clown it will probably be impossible to bear the work environment in such places and generally, clown bosses never get rid of ppl dumber than themselves but are vigilant to get rid of ppl smarter than themselves, ie ‘threats’. So yes, anything is possible. Two words about the virus; no, I don’t think ‘the real reason’ that RI is locking out New Yorkers is b/c of dislike of New Yorkers. It’s b/c of fear of… Read more »

Trojan House
Trojan House
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

Here is some myths about the virus. There is one in there about masks.

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/coronavirus-myths-mythconceptions/

Chris_Lutz
Member
Reply to  Trojan House
6 months ago

The mask one makes sense. It is only going to reduce the spread by infected people. I doubt, unless you have a high quality mask, that it will stop you breathing out the virus.

The problem is how much do you trust the sources listed?

Snopes, NYT, WHO, CDC, CBS News

All are known for incompetence and that is one of the problems we face. How to get facts from their bias.

Trojan House
Trojan House
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
6 months ago

I generally don’t trust them but in this case, the facts they present seem logical. The problem is that this info doesn’t get out therefore there is panic in the streets.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Trojan House
6 months ago

Only to stop spreading it: if you’re coughing or sneezing, or taking care of somebody with symptoms. Loose masks don’t offer much protection. Tiny infected droplets can still get into the nose, mouths & eyes. Just consider the faulty logic of this. If masks have no effect, why should health care workers need them?? And with a virus that spreads asymptomatically, you don’t know who, yourself included, has it. It is also not true that masks only protect others. For one thing wearing them makes you far more conscious of when you’re touching your face. The inconvenience and touch of… Read more »

Trojan House
Trojan House
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

Health care workers are also wearing googles or face shields along with the masks. The everyday mask I see a lot of people wearing doesn’t offer a lot of protection because they still have too many openings.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Trojan House
6 months ago

They don’t always wear face shields but it’s really an odds game. A mask reduces the risk of infection, either way. It does not remove it.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

So, do you wholesale or retail masks? Or own shares of Becton Dickinson? The monomania on masks seems a little try hard. I certainly don’t want to transform our culture into one where everyone wears a mask 24/7. In a surgical suite, yes. On the street, I’d rather see the pretty girls’ smiles or the scowl betraying an approaching Karen.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Maus
6 months ago

lol well, you can be sure I don’t do try hard for you 🙂

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Trojan House
6 months ago

Even crude masks have efficacy because virus particles are such low mass they stick to statically-charged fibers in masks and subsequently denature. Many air and water filters utilize charge to capture particles too small to be physically obstructed. A clean bandana is actually better than nothing, although a contaminated one might infect.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
6 months ago

Yeah, masks are not an absolute. Masks are fairly analogous to body armor; they don’t guarantee you won’t get shot and they are not exactly ‘fun’ to wear. But they affect the odds. Same w masks.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

Moran, I strongly disagree about masks. Yes, people coughing and sneezing into the air spreads droplets and disease . . . all the time and from all sorts of viruses, not merely the latest disease du jour. So I’m fine with all the Chinese and Indians wearing masks. For the average White person, though, who theoretically understands and believes in the germ theory of disease in the way the numericans do not and cannot, the danger is far greater from touching things – door handles, grocery carts, bathroom doors. Again, from that perspective I take no issue with cashiers or… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

Couple of things: For the average White person, though, who theoretically understands and believes in the germ theory of disease in the way the numericans do not and cannot, It is one thing to dislike other groups, especially if they threaten yours. To consider groups that show significant general intelligence dumb, is worse than wrong, it is a mistake. Chinese and the sorts of (generally high caste) Indians who immigrate to the US may be all sorts of things but one thing they generally are not, is dumb. There’s a reason Hispanics tend to enter society on the ground floor… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

Point about fingers to hands and mouth is valid – but I still disagree masks are the answer. You’re basically asking humans to change all natural habits and reorder all society to avoid a seasonal viral disease. I do not concur. Second, re the overall intelligence of Asian/Indian immigrants: You may well deal with the top 1% who are admittedly quite clever. Their overall intelligence is not nearly so high as presumed, though – don’t mistake ethnic networking and low social trust/sly work arounds as general intelligence. I’ve dealt with them in a number of different countries and continents, and… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

You’re mixing (conjectured) facts w opinions when you say you ‘disagree’ that masks are ‘the answer’. Ignoring that I didn’t say they are ‘the’ answer but rather a smart and beneficial thing to use, it doesn’t matter what you agree or disagree with. There are two factual possibilities here; masks either do or do not reduce transmission. This is not an opinion question, it’s a factual one. Re Asian immigrants, b/c of fewer universities serving giant populations, entrance to elite Chinese and Indian universities makes admission to elite US institutions look like signing up at the local community college. So… Read more »

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

z didn’t mention masks in this article so I suppose you are referring to an older article. no one is stopping you from wearing one, or even two masks at once, if you so please, for double the protection. Masks help, but how much is hard to know. Why some countries were able to contain the virus probably has more to with very early intervention and or extreme measures , including everyone wearing masks at the very onset of the epidemic than waiting too long. Mandatory use of masks in public and closing of schools (which are indoctrination centers anyway… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  greyenlightenment
6 months ago

He’d previously disparaged masks, as had some commentators here. Your comment about ‘double protection’ triggered my geek side b/c there is no way two masks will exactly multiply your protection, or divide your risk, by two. That is difficult to calculate w body armor, which works as a physical barrier to block high kinetic objects, but even more difficult to calculate w a filter, which is what a mask is (ignoring that it may have an important effect simply to remind you not to touch your face before you wash your hands). But whether the effect of two masks either… Read more »

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

Analogous, hearing protection at the firearms range works like this. You can achieve roughly 34 db with in-ear or over-ear technology. Add another 34 db device, say foam earplugs under headset and your total protection level is only roughly 38 db. It isn’t truly additive unfortunately. You can only contribute 4 db extra no matter what given the characteristics of propagation of sound through your boney head. Anti-viral facemasks are comparable despite what you may read. Capture-resistant particles will penetrate extra layers, however, they are unlikely to infect you individually, rather, overwhelming your average person’s autoimmune system requires presence of… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
6 months ago

That’s pretty interesting about ear protection although I noticed that ear plugs reduce noise far more than ear muffs. About the virus, it is probably very unlikely that any one virus will cause an infection, each probably has a low probability of that. But many millions or billions exposed to living tissue and it can happen. There is also a theory that initial viral load you are exposed to helps determine how bad your infection will develop, the smaller load the better. The theory is that a smaller load, even if it causes infection, will give the immune system a… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

ChicagoRodent brings up a number of interesting points. The one I’m focusing on is the P100 filter; both the “P” part and the “100” part. Ordinary surgical masks (OSM) provide minimal protection to the wearer – their purpose is to keep medical personnel from spit-spraying or snotting onto the patient and/or “sterile field” during procedures. The only benefit of an OSM (in my not particularly humble opinion) is that it reminds you to NOT touch your nose and mouth. The “high level protection” masks I’ve seen out and about are overwhelmingly N95 masks. The “95” indicates they block ninety-five percent… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Mike_C
6 months ago

That was a good overview of masks, the tighter fit probably the better. About them being ‘un-American’, ppl here, for very good reasons, complain that the economy is hemorrhaging, w 6 T $$ added to the federal debt so far. Suppose wearing masks could end the lock down sooner or maybe prevent the need for another later this year. That ugly little face cap might mean the difference between China winning our little ‘cold econ war’ or the US having a fighting chance. In the 1930s the US army didnt want tanks so Christie sold his suspension system to the… Read more »

David Davenport
David Davenport
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

“In the 1930s the US army didnt want tanks so Christie sold his suspension system to the Russians and Germans, who didnt find it ‘un-comradely’ or ‘un-Aryan’ to use tanks..”

Germany bought nothing from Walter Christie. No German tanks had a Christie suspension. The Soviets abandoned the Christie suspension after 1945. The T34 was the last Soviet tank with a Christie suspension.

So eff your stupid face masks.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  David Davenport
6 months ago

Talk about missing the point lol You’re technically right, the Germans didn’t use Christie’s suspension. But the Russians did, on the most successful tank design of the entire war. So even if Christie’s suspension was ‘un-Aryan’ that minor analogy point still stands. But, when you’re right you’re right. The greatest generation of Americans were only asked to storm beaches and win a little world war. But asking you to wear a mask to help save the US economy, not to mention a few hundred thousand old geezers, w the occasional tough luck younger guy, w anesthesiologists and ICU nurses overrepresented… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Mike_C
6 months ago

Mike_C: Thank you for your factual info re masks. I was unaware of the differences and your point about fit is highly relevant. My electrologist wears one for exactly the points you mentioned – not to accidentally get droplets on anyone’s face. She’s noted they do not stop disease. Thank you also for supporting my sociocultural point. I have appreciated reading RightDoctor’s comments about his experiences re the ‘crisis.’ What are yours, if I may ask?

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

@3g I don’t see patients directly these days, so I’m not on the front lines personally. And back when I did, I was sufficiently specialized that I couldn’t be trusted with general internal medicine. (That’s supposed to be a joke but probably a little too much truth for comfort 😉 That said, I can say that friends who are currently practicing general medicine are mostly stressed out. Some staff have been quarantined for being China Flu-positive, and those remaining are over worked. I’ve seen some chest x-rays of (really ugly) florid bilateral pneumonias in young (40’s) people without any known… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Mike_C
6 months ago

Mike_C, it seems where we do differ is the efficacy of masks. Of course you have to use it correctly for a mask to be most effective, that’s true of any equipment, from masks or respirators to aircraft or super computers. I can’t show you peer reviewed data on the effect of masks on infectivity of respiratory tract vira but some may be emerging. There’s also theoretical reasons to think that they are beneficial. But fair enough. More aggressive testing is something I would also like to see in the US. Germany, which has a surprisingly low number of critical… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

“South Korea has also tested aggressively and isolated carriers.” Indeed. Very early Monday morning I took a dear (Korean) friend to the airport for a BOS-SFO-ICN (Seoul) flight. I received the following email Monday evening: I am at a government facility, being quarantined until I get negative from the COVID-19 test. If it is positive, I will go to the hospital. Thankfully they have internet connection and TV at the facility. But no desk and bed. The lack of desk is a problem only because she’s hyper-conscientious and really is working remotely. Anyway, after April 1st policy will be to… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Mike_C
6 months ago

Mike_C, fair enough. I’m not in favor of mandatory use of masks. But when a grizzly comes into your camp at night, if your knife is all you have, well, that’s what you ll have to use if things go south. It seems to me that this Covid-19 crisis is becoming the hardest split inside dissident circles, comparable to the hardest divides over the JQ. It is moving at insane speeds, it is remodeling society in matters of days if not hours. Of course everybody’s tempers are going to be up, including mine at times. But I hope it doesn’t… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

Not to say I would never wear a mask. I would. But let’s not jump right away to the ways of the Asians. We are the west, act like the west, get your balls out of your pants and start showing them off.
It’s what allowed the west to conquer the world.
Walking around like a bunch of ant acting Chinese on a ant hill does not qualify.
Go out with your boots on and your balls hanging out.
Our young men will learn more about leadership than acting with the fear our elite want.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
6 months ago

There’s nothing more old school Western than adopting and improvising. How do you think the British Empire was built? Your ‘be a man’ approach is kinda like cavalry generals in WWI saying ‘to hell w machine guns, get on ‘or horses and charge!!’ It’s not ‘very American’ to be ordered to go to some camp 500 miles away, put uncomfortable (if very practical) green clothes on, a steel pot on your head and be told to follow every d*mn order you get or be court-martialed.’ But, that’s what they did, to win both world wars. Improvise, adapt, overcome. Ego gets… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
6 months ago

I prefer to look at the bright side of life, and take hope that corona virus will run hot and deep through the ruling class, leaving a trail of bodies; “The Masque of the Red Death” style.

Trojan House
Trojan House
6 months ago

Saw a promo for local CBS news affiliate of their hosts “working from home.” One says something about the lockdown and living with the virus as “the new normal.” This will take a lot longer than anyone can imagine to return to the ‘old normal’ and it is likely to never happen.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Trojan House
6 months ago

We never went back to “normal” after 9/11; no reason to think we will here.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Trojan House
6 months ago

They’re finished as an economic/cultural force. Same for Hollywood, maybe even academia. That’s the new normal. I’m sure it feels like the end of the world to them.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Paintersforms
6 months ago

There’s a famous Mark Twain quote that comes to mind here….

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Paintersforms
6 months ago

“They’re finished as an economic/cultural force. Same for Hollywood”

From your keyboard to G-d’s ears, Paintersforms.

M. B. Lamar
M. B. Lamar
6 months ago

Presenting the unthinkable. One. New York public officials encourage the largest participation possible in the Chinese new year celebration. Two. New Yorkers are infected by in droves because the five-eyes ran an operation to infect people in droves. Three. Ensure no quarantine is imposed. Check. 3b. Fan the flames of panic in New York with things like Civil War style triage in Central Park, so that anyone that can get out will. Four. Mid-April there is a Krakatoa-level explosion of new cases all over the country at the same time as the New Yorkers spread the virus to their family… Read more »

Dr. Dre
Dr. Dre
Reply to  M. B. Lamar
6 months ago

I saw NY plates the other day and took a picture. NYS is one that has plates front and back. I did not walk around the car to see the back but the front plate had a secured narrow white plate above it with red lettering saying Montauk Fire Dept. MEMBER. Montauk is a town on far-eastern Long Island, near where lots of wealthy folks go in the summer, places that have gotten very busy this off-season. WTH is this vehicle doing in a Kroger parking lot in Middle Tennessee (SE of Nashville). Visiting family? Huh. I’d use a different… Read more »

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
6 months ago

The unthinkable indeed. It’s already happened with the least likely group in the US here in CA. I have seen videos and news reports of literally miles of CA good whites lining up at gun stores. Many had never owned a gun before but while they lie about what they believe their actions don’t lie. They know what and who could be coming. Going into gun stores to buy a gun is like going into stores to buy toilet paper. As an example, the popular Glock 17 or 19 is virtually impossible to find except for a very small number… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  ExNativeSon
6 months ago

ExNativeSon – I’ve already mentioned that my son, who works at Cabelas, has said they only remain open to sell guns and ammo. I see people (mostly but not exclusively White men) waiting outside the door for their turn to enter every day I drop him at work. Last night he was instructed to move an extremely large and heavy gun safe to block the glass door to the gun room – to prevent a break-in after hours. We online dissidents are not the- only ones who are ‘noticing’ things.

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

3g, that is a good gun store. People are noticing. They probably will not admit it, but they are definitely noticing. I hope the more vibrant population of CA is also noticing. The CA National Guard is quietly getting ready from the signals I am hearing.

I think EVERYBODY is noticing.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

7 day backlog on NICS checks in my state.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  ExNativeSon
6 months ago

I have a spare 12-gauge and two boxes of shells – will trade for trad-wife.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Hi Exile. You’re a cheapskate! Your offer price will get you a 2-bits woman. You better turn the lights off!

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Range Front Fault
6 months ago

The exchange rate in California is much more favorable than gun-friendly Utah, missy.

For a vintage 1911 Colt Brad would give me Angelina AND Jennifer.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

“Wife wanted. Must have hunting cabin and bass boat. Send photo of boat….”

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  ExNativeSon
6 months ago

You should be scared out of your f-ckin’ gourd at the thought of it, not laughing.

Can you imagine an already panicky wine aunt who jumps at shadows of ‘killer viruses’ with a loaded pistol in her purse? These are the people that REALLY should not be weapon owners under any circumstances. Easily frightened children (leftists) are the last people you want packin’ heat.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
6 months ago

It’s important to remember this only signifies a changing of the guard. It does not mean things will be worse in the long run. To put it in perspective, most of the craziness is happening in the northeast, and to a lesser extent the west coast. To my knowledge, other parts of the country are less disrupted. We’ve reached the tipping point of ongoing trends. If you live in the south or mountain west, be prepared for swarms of locusts to descend on you. What you’ve experienced so far is just the beginning. The herd (including the so-called elites) follows… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Paintersforms
6 months ago

Speaking of locusts – the actual insect and not the figurative ones – I’ve noticed that the current locust plagues in East Africa are getting little airtime. As Monty Burns would say, Excellent!.

I’m not wishing literal plagues on East (or other) Africans, but hopefully the hard-stop put on our own economies will cause people to think twice, then think again, before sending money and other aid to Africa. (Be much more efficient to simply send the aid money directly to Swiss bank accounts, for one thing….)

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Mike_C
6 months ago

Next year we get to enjoy the 17-year locusts. They’re everywhere but never seem to do much damage. Unlike the locusts I’m talking about 🙂

Member
6 months ago

Possibilities probabilities. It all needs tending. We can do a lot of things. You make the play you can with the cards you have. If the deck is stacked, why play along? What will be our duty going forward? The ever changing dilemma. The bosses are always the same. The bosses are always different. The longer it lasts the more precarious it all becomes. Until it doesn’t. Morning meditations have never been as clear as they are now. Why is a perfectly good question. No is a perfectly good answer. We don’t know what we don’t know. Digging in is… Read more »

Maus
Maus
Reply to  JMDGT
6 months ago

Great analogy JMDGT. Sometimes it’s better to fold than to draw to a gut shot straight. These days I am more inclined to push away from the table with the few chips I’ve got left, cash out and gear up for a different game. We need to recapture the spirit of a time when men backed up the words “live free or die” with concordant actions.

peter connor
peter connor
6 months ago

So it sounds like Z-Man doesn’t believe in alien races, in a universe with quadrillions of star systems and billions of earth-like planets, but he does believe in the Lee Harvey Oswald theory of the Kennedy assassination…..Wow

Member
Reply to  peter connor
6 months ago

“So what you’re saying is…”

Tucker
Tucker
6 months ago

When I see the situation in New York City, I just can’t resist:

“And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you.”

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Tucker
6 months ago

I mentioned at home that I’d nuke NY in a heartbeat. Hubby replied “But if you nuked NY you might kill one hundred Americans.”

Epaminondas
Member
6 months ago

We’ve already plunged so far down the rabbit hole of political correctness, I see no limits to what the ruling class can foist upon the citizenry. Merely replacing us seems mild by comparison to what they are contemplating.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Epaminondas
6 months ago

I see the “not really” quarantine here in CA as a test and a calibration of the public mood. Allow people out there in the world, but encourage them not to trust each other. Let them blow off steam by shopping at Costco. I doubt there will ever again be simple things like a bunch of people eating in a restaurant together, or listening to a concert at an event. So much for school assemblies or sports events. Those NFL owners are going to be eating it. County fairs are done. A few people drinking beers around a campfire is… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Dutch – it’s all part of destroying the commons – the public trust and institutions and habits and celebrations that used to define common White European culture. First outlaw freedom of association and seed vibrancy everywhere (water parks with fecal matter in the pools and county fairs where dindus attack Whites with impunity). Add in paranoid fear of the germs that ensue when more than two humans stand less then 10 feet apart, put AWFLs and catladies in charge of society, and end up with empty streets and everyone a bugman wearing a damned facial mask as the new normal.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

Jesus said that wherever two or three gathered in His name, He’d be there. Gavin Newsome, whorespawn of the Antichrist, decided he’d put an end to that. And now, if you dare to speak to anyone at so much as an inch closer than six feet; be prepared to be reported to law enforcement and suffer the wrath of those who know better than a filthy suspected plague-bearer like you.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Ep, Dutch, I’m not convinced this is according to anyone’s Plan anymore. I smell Chaos, hubris and incompetence.

If this repeated zig-zagging between “just a cold” and “shut it all down until further notice” furthers someone’s plans, they’re a higher-dimensional chess player than I am.

No doubt they will make the most of their situation where they can, but I think we’ve strayed off the chessboard.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Things aren’t run according to ‘master plans’, they are run according to subconscious instincts. When women get into power it is not their plan to wreck the place. Their instinct is to react outrageously, to provoke a dominant (and hence attractive, healthy and strong) man to put them in their place. That’s called a sh*t test. When there are no such men around, you end up like Sweden. Basically similar arguments w beta males and such. These aren’t ‘plans’, these are different phenotype of (white) humans acting out their instincts. The only thing wrong with society is that white alpha… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

There’s more blame to go around than simply “hypergamy.” At the very least the major players include Scale, Hypergamy, Finance Capitalism and Credentialism.

And whenever you turn over a rock in any of those gardens of woe, (((what))) scurries out?

It’s not their master plan – it’s just (((instinctual))). Or more precisely, a convergence of interests among like-minded activists, cultural, political and otherwise.

Almost every one of these problems is mutally reinforcing.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

The common denominator is hindbrain processing, the lusty broil of the breeder’s brain.

Compared to the cooler rationale of the mechanist brain, frontal cortex processor, evident even in the Dissident women here.

IQ means little. It’s the dominant processor that guides. That’s why the Elves, the Caucasians, were unstoppable- they improved everything they came upon and used it better.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

“Incompetent AND authoritarian ain’t any way to go through life, son”.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
6 months ago

Since we’re talking about the unthinkable, I suppose I can bring up Q. I have a couple of friends who are convinced that “the plan” will happen. Trump is working with the military (the non-woke part of the military) to bring down the deep state, and it will happen soon. The last I heard, around Easter this will happen. The Q believers are very convinced this will happen.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Wolf Barney
6 months ago

Posted in the window of the Q bar and grill: “Free beer tomorrow!”

People are lining up.

NJ Person
NJ Person
6 months ago

I like to fancy that I am pretty level headed, but I suspect that the Z-Man’s fears may be warranted, if not actually realized. “Thinking the unthinkable” seems to be the logical conclusion to the illogic expressed by our ruling class. The few well-educated and intelligent people with whom I regularly communicate seem to think that this cannot last much longer. They say that it is unnatural for people to stay barricaded in their homes. But humans are extremely adaptive. Has living under virtual house arrest become a new normal? Whenever Fauci opens his mouth, we seem to fall deeper… Read more »

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  NJ Person
6 months ago

The ‘american people’ are no longer American People. Apologies to Yogi Berra not to be confused with Yogi Bear-a.

You guys should be reading Ibsen in your spare time. He understood herd mentality including the governance herd.

KGB
KGB
6 months ago

Those inclined to a female outlook on the world, no matter what wedding tackle they possess, have, in the past few days, returned to the belief of miasmas. There has been a shift from believing that normal precautions are effective, to accepting that 6 feet is a hard rule for distance between people, to fearing that even going outside is inviting the grim reaper in your midst. The concept of social distancing as practiced today is destroying our shared social bonds in a manner that the tech giants could only dream of. My mom told me about my older sister… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  KGB
6 months ago

KGB – Brilliant. Miasma is exactly the term – everyone now believes in ‘bad air’ the way they used to. Hell, the medieval (and previously utterly discredited) ‘cupping’ was all the rage among the celebs (because repackaged with a cool Asian/Indian vibe). Why not add in miasmas and bad humours (again, medieval European and modern Chinese/Indian belief in bodily balance, ‘heaty’ foods, and all that rot). I’ll volunteer to walk through the streets calling “Bring out your dead!” and Bob’s your uncle.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

I would love to go to Costco in one of those old vulture-faced Black Death masks.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Holy Crud! Plague Doctor masks are A Thing!
Who knew there were so many makes and models?

https://www.amazon.com/plague-doctor-mask/s?k=plague+doctor+mask

Tarstarkusz
Tarstarkusz
6 months ago

Looks like 4 plus years of non-stop hysteria has a toll after all. Part of what made this possible, or all but inevitable, is the hysteria in the news about everything. When hyperbole is the central feature of public life, how could this not have happened. That and how economic efficiency, “diversity,” has become the new state enforced religion. Not only do we have scores of millions of foreigners among us, but the constant moving of the natives has destroyed any real sense of community which once existed. Your neighbors are not really your neighbors, they are your temporary neighbors… Read more »

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
6 months ago

To borrow from BigLaw, we have all become FBU’s — fungible billing units. A commodity to be deployed and discarded with considerable enumeration by imbeciles in charge of things, because.

Ifrank
Ifrank
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
6 months ago

Enumeration or remuneration?

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
6 months ago

Good call on spotting an under-rated hysteria-driver.

Karens have been stewing in ever-escalating rage and paranoia since Crooked got Gay Mulatto’d in 2008, with a sharp vertical spike in 2016, of course.

Every one of those years has also been another year without Wahmenocracy, another year without a good man, another year of Cats > Kids, another year of box-wine & Xanax.

And now this. THIS. REEE!!!!!!!!!

#Repeal19A – a future worth fighting for.

Tarstarkusz
Tarstarkusz
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Janice Fiamengo has an excellent video from just the other day about how female hysteria and lack of prudence was the main argument against the granting of the vote to women. An example of a modern feminist fighting with her husband for not voting in gender solidarity with his wife for the phony Indian. This woman, despite being highly educated is so hysterical about a primary vote that she not only bitches to her friends about the hubbies’ vote, but actually writes and article about it. She is the perfect example of why women, and frankly, most men, should not… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

I actually am 100% behind Repeal 19.

The 20th century is unthinkable without the 19th Amendment.

Including of course Hitler.
They ❤️ Him.
That’s how he got elected.

Tarstarkusz
Tarstarkusz

Adolph Hitler never won an election in his life. The NSDAP was never even a majority party IIRC.

Compsci
Compsci

Repeal of 19th won’t help. Check out the history of women and the vote and you’ll find the majority of States had allowed women the right to vote in some form before the amendment. Most notable in the West, perhaps less in the South. You’d need to repeal and then pass another amendment disallowing voting for women.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Compsci
6 months ago

Utah gave women the right to vote in 1870.
The Mormon women I know are blinkered up and don’t discuss politics-life-the world or much of anything. When I talk about local geology, they reply the mountains are there because of all the earthquakes that happened when Jesus was resurrected. I know there are a few exceptions, but they are few and far between.
Fat lotta good having the vote did them.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Compsci
6 months ago

Tongue-in-cheek, Comp. I’m far past worrying about amending the Magic Paper.

In the future, let’s be more careful who we allow a say in the manly art of politics. I’m for a “paterfamilias” approach to voting to the extent we incorporate democracy. Only clan-heads get to vote – patriarchs with children/grandchildren who have their own extended family “constituency” of dependents they represent – being a nuclear family dad would be just a step on the ladder to voting.

Fun Fact from my favorite homeless sage – strongwomen are 30% more likely historically to go to war than strongmen.

roberto
roberto
6 months ago

Latest stats. No positive test results in over a week

• We received 9 COVID test results today; 9 negative and 0 positive.
Total tests sent: 117
Positive: 3
Negative: 104
Pending: 10

Guest
Guest
Reply to  roberto
6 months ago

Thank you again for posting these result. Really appreciate it.

The other sources I am tracking are all trending toward a 90% negative result baseline, plus or minus a few percent. Testing has been a relatively scarce resource and has been rationed accordingly, so only the sickest patients have been tested. I would expect the percentage of positive tests to go down as testing becomes more widely available and extends to patients who are less sick.

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
Reply to  roberto
6 months ago

roberto,

You never mention how many have died. Since they say this stuff is as bad as the famous black plague, surely most of the people who got it died. Right?

stranger in a strange land
stranger in a strange land
6 months ago

“We live in an age where the unthinkable, like the fog, quietly creeps up on us until suddenly the unthinkable is the new normal”.
Indeed. Slowly, slowly, then all at once.
With each passing day, finding a way out of the fog and the vaunted ‘V’ curve recovery seems more unlikely.

greyenlightenment
6 months ago

trump didn’t lock anything down though. he just put some guidelines social distancing distancing. which came from the cdc. What is probably going to happen is, due to loss of popularity and populist pressure, state governments will begin relaxing restriction regardless of what Trump says or does not say.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  greyenlightenment
6 months ago

Hopefully, but I’m thinking the opposite. Trump is the one who is providing cover for spineless State governors. Had he stuck to Easter, we’d have seen such movement. But Trump is leading in promoting another 30 days and claiming it’s prudent medical advice. I’m doubtful there are more than a governor or two willing to stick their necks out and contradict the Fed’s.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Compsci
6 months ago

Trump is on his game, and extremely manipulative of schemers.
He’ll tack port and starboard based on his judgement and instinct while the average pols are still staffing their moves and focus grouping.

He maneuvers well. It may not change the outcome, but the pols will be reacting to him until the end.
Until and unless events overcome.

Member
6 months ago

You would be hard pressed to present a conspiracy theory today that I considered so outlandish that I would dismiss it out of hand.

And in fairness to Mainers, people who voluntarily live in New Jersey should have been forcibly quarantined in their own state a long time ago.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
6 months ago

You know what’s unthinkable but much needed by the world?

Actuarial Tables for Women; I mean exactly Actuarial Tables for the dysfunction of broken families, the actuarial tables for single moms.

And then laws and insurance, social insurance, family laws to follow.

I Am a Trad, but my side lost to the Prots and their true religions of law and science. And money.
Well let the science, money and law follow.

bilejones
Member
6 months ago

So I was chatting with a plastic surgeon from Johns Hopkins a couple of weeks or so ago about how he felt with the loss of business because the Bangers ‘O Baltimore were sure to heed the Mayors plea to stop shooting each other up to free up the beds for the plague victims, He told me Friday the rise in head and face traumas from people being locked up with their families is more than making it up.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  bilejones
6 months ago

Maybe the Donner party was not really all that hungry? They just got locked in a chuck wagon for a month together.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
6 months ago

Upon the 2nd or 3rd relief party from Sutters Fort arriving at the cabins near Donner Lake, Lewis Keseberg had by then eaten one of the Donner kids. Later he opened a restaurant on K Street in Sacramento. It failed.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  bilejones
6 months ago

[Baltimore Bangers] locked up with their families

Well, to be fair, the concept of fatherhood (as opposed to sperm donor) thereabouts is largely theoretical, so maybe Dontay is right to not feel any connection with the sprogs with whom he’s holed up….

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
6 months ago

Unthinkable thoughts; Would that include actually acting?
Even if the Optics were bad?

I think not.

It might not be unthinkable to actually censor the internet.

Censoring the Internet; now that would be…

A big nothing.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
6 months ago

Gynocracy I think this is maybe the best term to describe the situation. A term the Z presented to us a few days ago. I talk to some women yesterday and today I talked to some more women. To the women with whom I talked to all lives must be saved. If possible. Turning the economy off does not seem to have any cost in their minds. To say it has costs is to be greedy. Our society now views everything like an I Phone. Just push the little button on the side it reboots every time and it comes… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
6 months ago

All lives must be saved except the ones the woman chooses to kill in her womb. The level of dissonance would be striking if it weren’t so typical.

UFO
UFO
6 months ago

This is getting ridiculous. The Chinese are prepping for a second wave in November. Are we gonna have yearly lockdowns for 6 months?

Anyways, hard to care what happens to your fellow countrymen when they’re all foreign, from a different culture and speak a different language.

Geting sick of this bullshit for sure. Shocked the vibrants haven’t started rioting yet. They must sense that whiteys are actually distraught over this currently.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  UFO
6 months ago

Repeated lockdowns might be their playbook for implementing global government. Eventually the subject populations will develop such a sense of learned helplessness and lock themselves down permanently.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  UFO
6 months ago

The truth; the niggers are chimped out. Its kinda over, and been over for awhile. The obama chimp- outs were astroturf, yes including the bussed in chimps. In the 2016 election get out the vote for the Dems; They weren’t actually burning down their neighborhoods, with some rare local exceptions. Those were hire a thug bussed in by Soros, antifa. That and kids let out of school to riot. > that students are led by teachers to protest and riot is nothing new. Its also a marker of increased education* and affluence. * I think the genuine chimp out, poor… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  UFO
6 months ago

Well, if you’re ever in Jersey, let me know.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
6 months ago

The problem is that our current ruling class never had a time of tragedy and adversity to get through, so they’ve creating one, inadvertently, through their incompetence and avarice. Having sex in the mud at Woodstock is not adversity. Going to Lilith Fair circa 1994 is not adversity. We have a bunch of degenerates running the show. They watch Hollywood interpretations of their lives such as House of Cards, and make reckless, power hungry, off the cuff decisions as if that’s what you’re supposed to do. There’s no tenderness or care in their thought process. The country could take their… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  JR Wirth
6 months ago

Future generations will be told that we were such bad actors, that we even dared to fake the moon landings.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

They will have to be told such, otherwise how will the general decline in technical ability and the observable reality—like people now riding around in horse drawn carriages instead of cars—be explained?

Maus
Maus
6 months ago

The only antidote for rank speculation is pure hindsight. Every free man much choose what he will do or not and the event that will trigger his reaction. The only thing you or I can control and indeed the only thing that bears thinking seriously about is how we will react. Time to live according to the pre-pozzed Scouting motto: Be prepared.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Maus
6 months ago

Exactly. Live by our own heuristics and don’t make speculation o