Liar’s Poker

The case of General Flynn, which has dragged on for years now, may finally be reaching a denouement. He was charged with and pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI during the Russian collusion hoax. For reasons that have not been clear, he was never sentenced. Now it appears he may never see jail and will instead see his case dropped and his guilty plea vacated. New evidence shows he was framed by members of the FBI and Department of Justice.

As is standard procedure in this age, state media has been silent on the matter, but alternative media sources are reporting on the release of classified documents hidden by the government from Flynn’s defense team in violation of the law. Thousands of documents held by his former defense team and hidden from Flynn and his new attorney’s until now have also been released in what appears to be a damage control operation by the law firm Covington & Burling.

What these new FBI documents reveal is the FBI and Department of Justice carefully planned to entrap General Flynn by tricking him into making inaccurate statements about his activities during the campaign. They did this because they wanted to remove him from his post in the White House and hoped he could be manipulated into making accusations against other administrative officials. Then they systematically lied about what Flynn said to them in his interview with the FBI.

Compounding this is the fact that the FBI and Departmental of Justice systematically withheld all documents that could be used by Flynn in his defense. One way they did this was to hide them in the special counsel operation. This prevented anyone, not just Flynn’s defense team, from discovering the plot. The sudden release of long withheld documents by Covington & Burling suggest they may have been part of the plot to entrap Flynn and get him to plead guilty to a crime.

At this stage, only a partisan fanatic thinks the principals in this whole Russian collusion caper were operating in good faith. You could make the argument that their behavior was unethical, but not necessarily illegal. Even if their actions violated the law, you could argue they did so in the belief they were within the bounds of the law. With these new revelations, it is clear they knew they were breaking the law in an effort to frame General Flynn as part of a much larger conspiracy.

One thing that is now confirmed with these new revelations is that the Special Counsel was always just part of a larger effort to cover-up this conspiracy. In fact, that was the whole point of it. The FBI and DOJ officials involved in the conspiracy would hide all of the evidence inside the counsel’s operation. This would make it impossible for the defense lawyers to access and very difficult for Congress to access. It would also prevent the administration from looking into it.

Another outrageous aspect to this case is that it appears that Flynn’s original defense team, Covington & Burling, may have been in on the plot to frame him. It’s not all that clear at this point, but the best that can be said of their actions on behalf of their client is they are the worst law firm in the country. They exist because they have resources and know how things work in Washington. Despite this, they made the sorts of errors TV writers would find too ridiculous for a legal drama.

There’s also the fact that this sort of behavior by the FBI and DOJ is business as usual, which underscores the corruption. This is not a couple of renegades. This is just how things are done by the government. They frame people for crimes then work to prevent them from getting a proper defense. The FBI has a long history of framing the innocent, but it was always confined to the field offices. Now it is clear that the institution is rotten from the head to the tail. It is hopelessly corrupt.

It is also increasingly clear that the weaselly Rod Rosenstein was the man tasked with orchestrating the cover-up after the election. He manipulated Sessions and Trump into firing Comey and then agreeing to the Mueller charade. The only purpose to that operation was to cover up the illegal spying. Then there is Comey, who claimed under oath to be the guy who ordered the Flynn investigation. He may have arrogantly admitted to initiating multiple Federal crimes.

Of course, the big question in all of this is whether Washington is so hopelessly corrupt that none of this amounts to anything. In banana republics, the judge in the case would be assassinated or intimidated into ignoring the facts and sentencing Flynn to jail. We may not be there yet, but the lack of any substantive investigation into the FBI corruption suggests no one will be charged with anything. The principals in this scandal are now in high six figure positions in Washington, living the good life.

Now, it is possible that Bill Barr was not prepared for the scale of corruption that has been revealed in this case. He may have truly thought it was a few bad apples that went off on their own. Once the scale of the corruption was known, he had to change course and bring in outside help. It’s just as possible that he is part of the problem. He is friends will most of these people. His role in this could simply be part of the how Washington is neutralizing Trump and preparing him for expulsion.

There is one puzzle that gets no attention. Why would the government keep delaying Flynn’s sentencing after he agreed to the deal? They said he was cooperating, but he had nothing to offer them and they knew it. Perhaps he was just a prop to maintain the greater narrative of the Russian hoax. By dragging out his process they could feed fake news to state media, claiming it was from Flynn. That’s seems to be a too cute by half, given the reality in Washington, but it is possible.

Ineptitude is always a possibility. There’s also the fact that highly corrupt institutions tend to have lots of internal intrigue and conflict. The old line about thieves sticking together is a myth. The corrupt man has no honor. As a result, the last stage for the corrupt institution is when the people inside beginning to scheme against one another to the point where they undermined their mutual efforts. Maybe that’s where things are in Washington now. It’s just one big game of liar’s poker.


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SamlAdams
SamlAdams
4 years ago

Spent a couple of years having to work with a DC firm, similar to Covington, during an investigation initiated by a person who subsequently resigned in disgrace from office. One takeaway was that this firm was part of a “good old boy” network where people move seamlessly from these firms into government and private practice and industry and back again. See Eric Holder for reference. Its all about cutting deals that advance those personal agendas, not providing effective defense. Add in the fact that Covington screwed up the FARA filings, those lawyers had every incentive to move Flynn off the… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

Yep, the back-scratching system is fully developed now. The pay-offs and expectations on all sides has more or less be codified – if not written down. Everyone knows what’s expected and what they’ll get down the road.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

I have observed the same. D.C. law firms are notoriously incompetent and it becomes obvious if something actually goes to trial. Nonetheless, the D.C. bar will tolerate about anything as long as the right folks pay the right folks and don’t rock the boat. No state should have a reciprocal law license agreement with D.C. as its attorneys are simply fixers.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

All they wanted to do was cut a deal that would enhance their standing, damn the fact set. It was obvious when I had to give depositions and reg interviews. The shameless sucking up was astonishing. Effectively ended up defending myself. Had given enough deps in contract litigation to be pretty good at giving the bare minimum answer, not filling pauses and staying completely poker face and chewing as much of the time as possible on document review and question reframes.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

While in most jurisdictions cases generally settle or are pled, just look at the number of actual jury trials in D.C. and contrast it with any other jurisdiction. All federal judges tend to be lazy and shiftless, but those in the District are the worst and will punish the party they think responsible for actual litigation.

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Mark Steyn had a running commentary on his case as it “progressed” through the court system in the District of Columbia. It makes for shameful reading; how could a court system sink this low? It made the legendary Jarndyce v. Jarndyce case of Charles Dickens’s Bleak House seem a model of judicial efficiency.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
4 years ago

It’s been stated before (perhaps on this very blog): the process is the punishment.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
4 years ago

The Trial by Franz Kafka
is not supposed to be an instruction manual

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
4 years ago

It’s been stated before (perhaps on this very blog): the process is the punishment. Been there; done that; got the T-shirt. Spent 14 months in the jaws of leviathan. When I finally got my lawyer to tell the prosecutor’s office we wanted to go to trial they folded like a house of cards. That was in 11 & 12. Took me 4 years to pay off the lawyer. Had to take out a 2nd mortgage. All defendants – criminal or civil – ought to have to enter the courthouse through a specific door with the following legend inscribed over it,… Read more »

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
4 years ago

The process is the law.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
4 years ago

Sydney Powell should be attorney general.

Alex
Alex
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

This is replicated in the defense/intel contracting world. These folks slip back and forth to whet their beaks when appropriate, and return to gov’t when they need to refresh their connections and influence. Corruption is not a strong enough word for this.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Alex
4 years ago

There has always been an element of “honest graft” in politics. I recall an old example a professor gave using old man Daley’s system in Chicago. If an alderman came in and wanted jobs for his “guys” the deal was this–Daley would authorize a couple new bus lines through the ward or some additional sanitation service. Or fix some roads. The guys got those jobs. Sort of a win/win. Now, as Z consistently points out, the real graft has consolidated at a level where it is totally disconnected from any societal benefit. Just guys trading tax dollars back and forth… Read more »

BTP
Member
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

It works as long as the guys with guns allow it to work. The important thing is to make sure the Praetorians stay paid.

Member
4 years ago

In any country that values justice, this level of false prosecution deserves the death penalty. Sortez la guillotine!

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Raymond R
4 years ago

Luckily we have social justice. Where the death penalty is applied over time to those people who fail to sufficiently embrace Progress. The justice you speak of – and the pursuit of such, is called ‘conspiracy theory’. If you don’t know the difference, you haven’t consumed enough NPR.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Raymond R
4 years ago

And should these miscreants skate, the damage will be irreparable. The corruption will spiral completely out of control. We’re already in unknown waters. And because of the internet, millions know it.

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

And should these miscreants skate, the damage will be irreparable.

From where I sit they already have and the damage was already there else it could not have transpired the way it did.

Chaz Chazstein
Chaz Chazstein
Member
Reply to  Raymond R
4 years ago

The people’s avenger!

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
Reply to  Raymond R
4 years ago

The fact of the matter is that Flynn is a traitor, and Trump is covering for him, regardless of the Z-Man’s posturing.

Vizzini
Member
4 years ago

Of course, the big question in all of this is whether Washington is so hopelessly corrupt that none of this amounts to anything.

Yes. Next question.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

So it took a little over 200 years for the United States to get its own Praetorian Guard.

Even Democratic politicians must be noticing what could happen to them if they get on the wrong side of Deep State – and what power they could yield if they can get control of its apparatus. But as Z notes, this level of power always creates factions vying for power.

One thing we can know is that none of those factions will ever be on our side.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

200 years? The guard has had some form of existence since the Tenure of Office Acts (1820, 1867). Congress has long sought to prevent the president from executing executive authority and replace it with managers appointed by them. Technocracy has been the goal for generations.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

Yeah. The “United STATES” as founded died in 1860. We’re living in a Federalized simulacrum of what the Founders actually created.

Ifrank
Ifrank
4 years ago

So cruel. So awfully cruel to raise hopes and expectations of so many, that justice will be administered, while we, properly cynical, know full well that nothing will come of this. How much time did the Clintons serve? Obama will get the same exact sentence, as he is innocent of all charges. How much longer can the Republic survive as those in our number, Cynics Anonymous, swell.

Elementary Penguin
Reply to  Ifrank
4 years ago

While of course it would be gratifying to see some heads roll, it doesn’t really matter at this point if Justice is served on an individual scale, because the deed is already done, the mission was accomplished, and that cannot be rolled back. IOW the Trump presidency was successfully hobbled and derailed and disrupted, all its original MAGA policy goals neutered and negated, by the Flynn affair and the Russian Big Lie (stop with the cutesy “hoax” already) and the thousand other affairs like it. The larger point of things like the Flynn case was to cause a competent staffing… Read more »

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
Reply to  Elementary Penguin
4 years ago

I agree with you, and as blackballing as it is to watch unfold, there is some hope. The best part of the Trump Presidency has been to watch it all laid bare. I’ve encountered a few CivNatNormie types who scratch their head and wonder aloud if the system is beyond hopeless?

The one true success of the Trump Presidency has been its ability to make people question their long-held assumptions about the American Empire.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Elementary Penguin
4 years ago

“it would be gratifying to see some heads roll.” This brings to mind (ok, “brain cell” in my case 😶) another idea. The problem is not only that our government is corrupt (are all of them?) but that they are incompetently corrupt. An individual or cabal that was skilled in the arts of politics (not to say ethics) would have found a scapegoat, a sacrificial lamb, call it what you like, to take the blame. Whether he was guilty or not. While my first-hand experience in seeing the institutional ineptitude of government agencies is mercifully limited to seeing the dullards… Read more »

Ifrank
Ifrank
Reply to  Elementary Penguin
4 years ago

EP: “…it doesn’t really matter if justice is served…” It sure does. Would you say the same thing about a murderer, after all, you can’t restore the victim to life? The purpose of government is to allow us to live in a civil society, with laws, peace, and justice. Without laws, life would be nasty brutish and short. Yes, we cannot undo all the damage that was done, but still, punishment, revenge, and setting the record straight are critically important anyway. Let history reflect the truth of what happened. Prosecute and punish the guilty, exonerate the innocent. I know, not… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Ifrank
4 years ago

Careful, Ifrank, your idealism is showing. You know that is a no-no here. 😉

Ifrank
Ifrank
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
4 years ago

You make a point, Bill. I’m working on that.

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Ifrank
4 years ago

How much longer can the Republic survive

Who says it has? I’m not sure Franklin would agree that it has.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

Barr and Durham are a big question to me? I like Joe Digenova and he keeps saying it’s coming, it’s coming. Justice that is. I wonder though? Is the game to play out the clock and get rid of Trump? I kinda think so. I think this bologna virus response is going to hurt Trump both by people whom think he was incompetent and also by his supporters who will experience massive job losses. I think mail in ballots are coming and the left will do everything it can to rig the election. Once the left gets power again all… Read more »

Chris
Chris
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

No big question there gdg. Barr was the tool during rubi ridge who allowed Lon huriachi to walk scot free for murdering Vicki Weaver during that “siege” he’s been part of the performance for a long tome. Nothin will change. Is business as usual.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

Yes, this is probably a run out the clock game. We are six months from an election, and the Barr/Durham investigation has been going on for a long time. Why wouldn’t they have started frying the small fish, and get them to roll on their bosses, as is typical in these things. If they wait a little longer, the Biden AG can simply shut down all investigations, and this is buried forever. All we will have left is Lindsay Graham talking about talking. I also share your fear about this harming Tump. The Dems game is to lock down as… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

OTH, after posting, I just saw this:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/breaking-former-fbi-general-counsel-james-baker-flipped-durham-building-conspiracy-case-lied-court/

The source is diGenova, so don’t get your heart broken yet again, but it looks like James Baker could be the small fish they are frying. It also runs counter to the “run out the clock” theory that the FBI notes came out about setting up Flynn for perjury.

MBlanc46
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

You are correct.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

Barr appears to be playing both sides of the fence. String things out to no conclusion if the administration changes in January, or pursue things if Trump wins and actually exercises some real power in the next term.

BarrNone
BarrNone
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

With an arse so fat Barr has no choice butt to sit on both sides of the fence.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
4 years ago

It’s time to start stretching necks.

Tax Slave
Tax Slave
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

Waaaaaay past that. So far past that it will never happen. But I share your sentiment.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

But that we could resurrect Albert Pierrepoint. His productivity numbers were astonishing.

Dave
Dave
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

As others have said, that should have happened long, long ago. This republic, now rotting Empire, will collapse with a whimper, depleted and exhausted. The entire foundation is rotted, and there are far too many termites burrowed in and feeding, to change anything. Many folks see how rotten it is, and the corona has exposed that for all to see, but the corona has also paralyzed half the population with existential dread, and they just want to line up and get their Gates approved vaccine so they can go back to “work” propping up a class of high functioning sociopaths… Read more »

FleetingVictory
FleetingVictory
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

We no longer have the stomach for it.

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

Agree. Way too many unoccupied lamp posts.

OT: Anybody laying odds we’ll be able to gather together in groups to celebrate the 4th? My money says we won’t.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
4 years ago

“Of course, the big question in all of this is whether Washington is so hopelessly corrupt that none of this amounts to anything.” The answer would seem obvious. Has there been any good faith effort to dismantle the FBI, or even reform it? Of course not. It’s a fairly good bet the FBI/DOJ maintain Stasi-like files on elected officials and career bureaucrats that would make Hoover blush. As long as the FBI stands and the federal court system is not dramatically overhauled, the United States continues its slide into the USSR II. The only question is whether American troops will… Read more »

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Not defending the Chicoms, but did they mow down thousands at Tiananmen? What’s funny is it never occurred to me that they didn’t until I came across a piece just within the last few days that claims this is a myth, repeated so often by our media that nearly everyone believes it. I don’t know.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Tom K
4 years ago

Early reports indicated most of the students were murdered. It may have been crap, admittedly.

Boris
Boris
Reply to  Tom K
4 years ago

They did it like is nothing for them.You do not know what communism really is if even ask that .This is only one small drop in the rivers of blood what they shed in last 75 years .They killed no less than 80 MILLION innocent people starting in 1947. .Communists called them “enemies of the state” as usual. When that title is given to you the killing was performed in the most brutal slave labour camps.When person reach one of this prison camps, immediately understand that the mercy will be actually bullet in the back of the head next to… Read more »

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Boris
4 years ago

You must have missed my opening comment, where I plainly said I was not defending the Chicoms. The point I was making was the unreliability of our media in reporting events. If Tianamen wasn’t a massacre, there were many others, adding up into the millions, so it seems we agree on that, ok.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
4 years ago

“At this stage, only a partisan fanatic thinks the principals in this whole Russian collusion caper were operating in good faith”.
That’s stated as though would only be a few partisan fanatics. I’ll warrant there are millions of them.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
4 years ago

If you want to read a hair raising book about Mr. (((Rosenstein))) I recommend “Licensed to Lie” by Sidney Powell. It’s about the Enron litigation years ago. I believe she’s also working on this Flynn case, as her specialty is untying knots on appeal. Just a terrific book. No, these problems aren’t confined to field offices. They never have been. The biggest problem here is that Flynn, much like some of the Enron defendants, made the mistake of talking to agents, without counsel. Even the most ignorant ghetto Shanequa knows that you never indulge law enforcement…ever. You never go in… Read more »

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

Note to self: if no subpoena, then no conversation

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

I recommend “Licensed to Lie” by Sidney Powell.

Thanks for the recommendation

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

“No, these problems aren’t confined to field offices. They never have been.”

Footnote: See, J. Edgar Hoover/Clyde Tolson file.

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

Given the aforementioned law firm that represented Flynn, I doubt having counsel present at the FBI interrogation would have helped.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  David_Wright
4 years ago

They would have had to issue a subpoena, and all that entails. Even bargain basement law firm should shut their client up.

ChetRollins
ChetRollins
4 years ago

Why would anyone talk to the FBI, especially high ranking officials who should know better?

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  ChetRollins
4 years ago

“Thank you for your service.” Patriots and true believers in the Flag believe they are part of the same system as the fed DOJ/FBI and other alphabets. To protect and defend the constitution and all that. Perhaps guys like Flynn are still coasting on the fumes of their service: a massive blind spot to the actual powers that be and their corrupt ways. After all, even us regular joes carry on as if the magic paper in the Smithsonian unites us to some higher cause and cloaks us in some protections from tyranny even though a modicum of noticing should… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

Most people believe the TV. They think cops are all hard-boiled detectives seeking the truth, not (generally) thugs seeking power over others (except for the token badwhite cop who plants drugs, while the heroic hoodrat turned officer brings him down).

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

Why do you think media is chock a bloc with shows about the heroic FBI and police. Its all police state agitprop. I can understand this a bit If Whites start to have the same view of the police as Blacks and Latinos, the State has no natural allies. This is already occurring, working class and poor Whites have poor relations will law enforcement and the Middle is shrinking. Media is also losing its stranglehold as well. Ultimately police can fix those damaged relationships pretty easily by being part f the community and exercising common sense. This is why in… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

When you’re bleeding on the pavement, who ya gonna call, a frickin’ hippie?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

I think this is humor but I’ll play straight man. I’d call an ambulance. Hippies don’t exist any more though the ones I knew as a lad were the Edward Abbey sort and quite good at handling things. As far as crime prevention when seconds count the police are only minutes away . I’ve found not going into sketchy areas, not doing sketchy things and when you absolutely must do those things traveling with well prepared friends is better than any amount of policing. Now there are uses for the police, occasional rescue and dealing with organized crime and gangs… Read more »

Brad
Brad
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

There is absolutely nothing that cannot be made worse by adding law enforcement.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
4 years ago

Keep in mind that they are willing to go to these extremes against an administration that if left alone would only slow down the replacement of whites and not stop and/or reverse it.

A recent pew poll found that 2/3rds of all Americans want a halt to all immigration. There was no breakdown by race for a good reason because white opposition is probably north of 80%. As things continue to decay and volatility increases the extremes they employed against a Trump slowdown will seem quaint. It’s not time to prepare, it’s time to be prepared.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Yves Vannes
4 years ago

Only one white man broke out of the J paradigm, ever, and his initials were AH. What they’ve done to Trump is nothing in comparison to what they will do.

Perhaps Putin is also on that path, but will likely be gone in a few years and his replacement is uncertain.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Yves Vannes
4 years ago

YY, that’s a good example of why I’m skeptical of the majoritarian electoral approach. This system has proven almost wholly immune to supermajority public opinion on immigration etc… particularly on the fed level.

On a local to state level though, with some strategic consolidation and triangulation on our part, Whites might be able to lay a foundation for What Comes Next.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Your comment reminded me of the Clinton archipelago vs Trumpland. Some of the wider swaths of Trumpland would make for fertile ground.

https://www.google.com/search?q=trumpland+vs+clinton+archipelago&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiXnfCVsJHpAhVbknIEHW-hALAQ_AUoAXoECAwQAQ&biw=360&bih=512&dpr=2#imgrc=6RMifJuXfr8vRM

Gasman
Gasman
4 years ago

The corruption, malfeasance, and criminal behavior at all levels of our so-called government is breathtaking.

Member
4 years ago

All this plus we have governors and mayors making seditious power plays to implement more of their hidden agenda. Except it is not so hidden and this is a radical power grab.

None of them including the deep state are retreating and the blowhard in chief is wholly inadequate to the task of resisting. The rot and corruption is way beyond even my jaded mind can handle.

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  David_Wright
4 years ago

I read today that the Governor of Colorado has banned people from traveling more than 10 miles from their home for outdoor recreation. We will be just like the serfs in the middle ages who never left their hovels. My local Mayor and city council just cancelled a rodeo scheduled for late July. It has taken place annually for the last 108 years. Our county has had 17 reported cases of Corona virus.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Judge Smails
4 years ago

Newsom is closing all of California state beaches and parks. The F-U resulting from that move should be entertaining.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

People are already quite angry about this as the blow dried one is on TV right now trying to explain this BS away with “flattening the curve”

I suspect he may have flattened his career prospects and Senate plans though.

Andy Texan
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

Let the riots commence.

Castaways
Castaways
Reply to  Judge Smails
4 years ago

Chicago’s beaches and parks were closed Day One and the Governor and Mayor have stated they want summer closed. Everything — softball fields, soccer leagues, kite flying areas, festivals, concerts in the parks, garden walks, farmers markets and art fairs. Until at least fall. I live on Lincoln Park and can see the lake. I am not supposed to enter either one. Lately, I’ve been jogging and riding the park periphery, receiving a few jackass comments from mounted police (in riot helmets) but most of the police were pulled and redirected to the Westside so they can shut down the… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Castaways
4 years ago

July Fourth, Independence Day, is cancelled. Ponder that one.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Castaways
4 years ago

In news you won’t see on CNN
Blacks seem unaffected. This 1,000 guest house party went unmolested.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/coronavirus-chicago-house-party-video

Castaways
Castaways
Reply to  bilejones
4 years ago

The local Chicago rags this morning prominently featured the bust of a *white* house party on the NW side. You won’t see *black* printed anywhere but the writers emphasized the *white* aspect of host and attendees, and Mayor Hair & Nails (“Groot”) issued a statement “the law will apply equally no matter who you are.”

Andy Texan
Reply to  Castaways
4 years ago

Don’t worry. Sure to open in November no matter the result.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Castaways
4 years ago

Believe me brother, you have nothing to fear from Chicago “Mounted” Police. A more milquetoast group has never been seen. As for running and biking in the park, take it from an actual get his hands dirty, answer calls for service policeman assigned to 018,(the district you speak of). No one is laying a hand on anyone. In fact, a gimp in a black Park District car chases folks around trying to get the park area clear. When he asks for assistance, I simply tell him to call when the Constitution is suspended or amended. He doesn’t like me too… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Judge Smails
4 years ago

Don’t hunt the King’s deer.
No, not even the King’s rabbits.

Andy Texan
Reply to  Judge Smails
4 years ago

They be keeping you safe. Guess there won’t be any commerce until after the election. Wonder what you will be doing for food and housing.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  David_Wright
4 years ago

Yeah it’s pretty sad that Trump is reduced to the Kushner’s puppet.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

When first elected, some “insider” proclaimed the great and good news that the super-rich had changed their minds, decided to side with Trump.

That they did.
Trump was a pump-and-dump.

So was Ike. Bernard Baruch was his master. The elites raised enough money to stage the Cultural Color Revolution that followed in the 60s.

(The Laurel Canyon kids were sons and daughters of New England’s Old Money.
The abolitionists staged a second Civil War, but this time without the shooting. They had senior advisors with long experience.)

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

“But both Puritans and their financiers were the slave traders, weren’t they?”

Fully recompensed, both the lenders and the owners. Britain near bankrupted itself making them whole for the “loss” of their assets. The loans to recompense the owners were finally paid off in 2014, some 144 years of payments.

Who paid, who profited? What about the U.S. and others? I suspect this was the seed capital of today’s elites.

And, they didn’t hold their assets, but dumped them on the hated Dirts.

Meat shortages now.
American Dirt workers were too expensive.
This is your country on globalism.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

As they said back in the day Join or Die

Americans unwillingness to do that, to even consider common or collective anything , hell we don’t even marry and start families much now got us the boots on our neck we deserve.

In real life the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must.So it is as it always has been, so it will always be.

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

Recommended reading “Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon” by Dave McGowan. He traces the MIC/Intel connections of the counterculture heroes that the media sold to America – Zappa, Stephen Stills, Jim Morrison (father was a Navy admiral!), John Phillips (Mamas and Papas singer attended the US Naval Academy) and many others. Interesting information and speculation about the Laurel Canyon scene of the 1960s and how so many of the musicians of the day had family connections at the highest levels of the establishment.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Judge Smails
4 years ago

I slogged through it a few months back and came away unimpressed. It was an amalgamation of rumors and innuendo that ultimately had no conclusion or unifying thread. It just petered out in the end. Then I looked at some other stuff he’d written and he came off like a real tin-foil crank.

Tax Slave
Tax Slave
4 years ago

Here’s hoping that as the first act of her new ascension to the throne, Kim Yo Un unleashes a strategic nuke on the District of Corruption. Just pray that Trump is a few states away at one of his rallies.

Member
Reply to  Tax Slave
4 years ago

Sadly, last I heard, the NK nukes can only reach the Pacific NW if that. While vaporizing Portland would be a boon to humanity, I don’t think too many DC swamp people ever even visit here.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  pozymandias
4 years ago

Let’s start a GoFundMe for better NK nukes

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tax Slave
4 years ago

The New Kim looks pretty good. Her biggest fear with The Orange Man might be his dukes, not his nukes.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  bilejones
4 years ago

Pretty good rack for an Asian chick.

TomA
TomA
4 years ago

First, under Obama’s leadership, the DOJ/FBI/CIA etc. were seduced into becoming de facto criminal enterprises. And that is no trivial thing. And the problem persists to this very day. Second, the corruption is systemic, and worsening, like a cancer. And like cancer, ignoring the problem will not make it go away. Strong medicine is needed quickly if there is to be any real chance of remission or recovery. And the Flynn episode is the tip of the iceberg. Far, far greater crimes are still hiding in the closet.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

The FBI was and the CIA were corrupt from inception. The CIA was the US face of the supra-national “intelligence org” (AKA the Deep state) with the help of the criminal networks developed by the OSS. It has worked for its own purpose since its set up. Any similarity to a US agency living or dead is purely coincidental, as thy say in the movies. Lots of foreign war setup was just to enable its own drug running money laundering, which is how it funds itself (Vietnam, Afghan etc).. The FBI was Hoover’s corrupt lever from day dot and were… Read more »

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  tristan
4 years ago

People were alway led to believe he CIA to be a right wing organization. It was always left, in synch with the entity which gave it cover, State. That has only become apparent to normies in recent times. The permenant government that Frank Roosevelt built believed itself to be fellow travelors with the Soviets, a more sophisticated face of the same coin.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  james wilson
4 years ago

When Southern Normies wake the fuck up, Deep State gonna need to bring in the Hessians to fight its wars.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  HomerB
4 years ago

They’ve got Latinos though it will be a lower tech army. The US isn’t going to fight a peer or near peer power anyway. They have working nukes and its very possible do to tritium decay and general rot of the rubber and plastics parts, we may not. https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/03/06/commentary-the-looming-crisis-for-us-tritium-production/ A bit from the article By the early 2030s, the viability of the entire U.S. nuclear deterrent is at risk from an inability to produce tritium for nuclear warheads That’s 15 years off more or less and nothing has been done from the time of the article. About the only war… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  tristan
4 years ago

Largely exempt from the host government’s own laws. “Oversight?” Oh really? When so much of it is hush-hush, how will it ever be verified? I’m not sure who said it first, but if you compare any government with so-called organized crime, you will see very little difference in actual functions. Sometimes it even gets comical, like when drug lords are doing “public works” (clinics, etc.) for the peons in Latin America, because the civil governments cannot even provide basic services, due to their own corruption!

Severian
4 years ago

I think the “special counsel” crap was just too useful to give up. If watching Hillary all these years has taught us anything, it’s that these people are as lazy as they are corrupt. Why fix what ain’t broke? And since they know Trump’s going to pardon Flynn anyway, might as well milk everything they can out of it… then turn around and yell about how Trump’s pardon is illegal, and off we go with Impeachment 2.0.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot
4 years ago

Banana Republic indeed. It would take banana republic solutions to fix it. Like taking out your enemies. Perhaps that’s the problem. We vote one man to go into the viper’s den to fight Sin City alone.

Now if you had a General with the backing of the military to launch a coup . . . . Perhaps that’s why the last administration purged the military of any opposition just to cover their bases ? You can only kick a dog so many times . Hopefully someday we’ll find our Viking genes and fight back !

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  sirlancelot
4 years ago

There’s no such thing as “good government.” The only thing to quibble about is its limitations and the extent of private domain. The best form of government is a strong family. Since we now have a population raised like alley cats, in single parent households, private domain is obliterated by the all encompassing state. The state is the new father. We’re a nation of unstable bud trimming renters with no future. Why should be have any semblance of justice? Vile citizens have vile states.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  sirlancelot
4 years ago

“Hopefully someday we’ll find our Viking genes and fight back!”

Your genes have already been expressed. It is your childrens’ genes that are targeted. Every day. Every. Single. Day.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  HomerB
4 years ago

Those genes invented and built the mighty armadas of WWll. May we find them again soon.

Plus, that there is a revenge fantasy worth living for.

Josh
Josh
4 years ago

To be honest, I doubt anything will happen, which is a rather sad indictment of our governmental institutions. At this juncture, is okay for people to wake up dead?

Off topic, a drive-in movie theater cannot operate, but I can get drunk in a bar on Monday:

https://billingsgazette.com/news/local/laurel-drive-in-theater-fights-to-stay-open/article_c80dae1f-b891-5518-a81a-0af33c3a5e57.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

It’s all about the tax revenue.

CZ master race
CZ master race
4 years ago

So what was it about Flynn that it was necessary to frame him to get rid of him? Was it just collateral damage to get to orange man, or did he know too much about the various scams?

Whitney
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Tragic. The lack of wealth actually indicates that he was not corrupt

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Whitney
4 years ago

Given his credentials as a three-star who came up through military intelligence, I’m rather surprised myself. The guy could’ve chosen retirement at any time in the last 20 years and gotten himself sucked into the private sector for untold riches.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Obama was the perfect emperor for the Praetorian Guard. Corrupt but too lazy and disinterested to actually direct any real operation. They could run the show as they wished.

Tax Slave
Tax Slave
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

And go on having their illicit affairs and enriching themselves at the taxpayer trough.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

For nuts & bolts reasons, NSA clones and archives almost all EC riding the trunklines & satellite transmissions. This is called the Master Database. In theory, querying the database is restricted and supervised. But humans are fallible and corruption happens. This is what Flynn was going to blow the whistle on. Privacy is extinct. Big Brother is real.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

I always liked the loopholes. Bamford’s “Puzzle Palace” (about NSA history) is a fascinating read. For example, if the USA wants the goods on a US citizen, they’d ask an ally (such as UK) to spy on him, and then they share the intelligence. See, technically the USA did not spy on one of its own citizens!

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

That was true under the Echelon system, but they don’t have to go through that rigmarole anymore. Bamford wrote a more recent book which the name escapes me regarding NSA surveillance post-9/11.

Saturn V
Saturn V
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

The Patriot Act and its tentacular extensions in combination with everybody online 24/7 removed the requirement for five eyes collaboration.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

FISA courts, another gift from 9/11-Iraq.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  CZ master race
4 years ago

Flynn was about to restructure the intel agencies and downsize the CIA staff. They immediately put a knife in his back.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-reduce-cia-director-national-intelligence

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

The intelligence community may well have murdered President Kennedy for the same thing. Why would he think he’d be treated better?

In any case anyone in the Spy Game ought to know you can’t trust anyone even those supposedly on your side. You just pretend you do always ready to stab first.

I’m a civilian with zero intelligence background or experience and even I know this. How professionals don’t is mind boggling.

Exile
Exile
Member
4 years ago

Regarding C&B, Big Law is an enormous conflict-of-interest swamp. It’s foolish to believe that these firms are capable of much less compliant with self-policing and “firewalling” as required for ethical practice. Frankly those rules should have been amended long ago to a much stronger “appearance of impropriety” standard and stronger limits on what conflicts can be waived voluntarily. The industry (no longer a profession) also tolerates an enormous amount of “insider-referrals” where buddies will ostensibly provide separate representation but collude in reality on a level that doesn’t protect the client’s best interests and doesn’t respect fiduciary standards in general. Flynn… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

You could cut and paste this to the big Accounting firms as well. And the big trading firms, which bet against their own clients on the other side of the house. The whole country is just a twisted den of conflicts right now. Money has never talked louder. Open…gratuitous…fraud. This is why I’m getting the compound in Montana one day, with a no trespassing sign.

Dutch
Dutch
4 years ago

The Flynn sentencing likely got repeatedly postponed because everyone in DC, including the judges, knew that the scam was on, and didn’t want their name on the piece of paper that sent the guy to the slammer.

The idea that interviews/interrogations are not recorded, and that instead the Feds get to “write notes” as the evidence of the interrogation, is so completely Stasi in nature. It tells you everything you need to know about how things actually operate.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
4 years ago

Nothing is gonna happen and they have the Wuflu as a cover to release everything when nobody is paying attention. America’s government is corrupt from head to tail. Even if they could send a bunch of these criminals to prison, the entire system is corrupt and whoever replaced them will just become corrupted. It would be like replacing fish in a toxic fish tank. The system cannot be fixed.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

i agree that the WuFlu crisis has been a godsend for the oligarchy, a deus ex machina for the incompetent. It’s a fun exercise in an alternate timeline, where there is no WuFlu, to think of what “crisis” may have been able to run interference for either the DOJ shenanigans or the Fed Reserve shenanigans or the coming economic recession, or all three. War with Iran maybe?

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
4 years ago

How does anyone, ever, say anything other than “Lawyer, now” to the FBI?

I understand why dummies do it; I don’t understand how anyone with an IQ over 90 ever says anything to the FBI without a lawyer and 3 cameras rolling while continually updating the proceedings to a secure server in real time.

The FBI should be functionally done for: NO ONE SHOULD EVER ANSWER ANOTHER QUESTION TO THE FBI, EVER.

FBI: “Can I get you a glass of water?”

Perp: “Lawyer.”

FBI: “Are you comfortable?”

Perp: “Lawyer.”

ObeseGovernor
ObeseGovernor
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

Yeah, well when Covington & Burling shows up as your lawyer and exchanges familiar pleasantries and knowing winks with the FBI agents you may as well have cooperated.

Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

Note that neither Tucker Carlson nor Sean Hannity bothered to mention that nobody put a gun to Flynn’s head or that he was a moron for talking to them; to the contrary, they depicted Flynn, a life-long swamp creature, as a naive innocent who was entrapped by people Carlson has described as mediocrities.

Walt Jeffers
Walt Jeffers
Reply to  Libertymike
4 years ago

Flynn folded like a cheap suit and confessed to an apparent non-existent crime when they threatened his son. Hardly the same stock as the Founding Fathers and yet many on the right make him out as a hero. He hurt Trump badly when he plead guilty in December 17. I also remember the ABC news clown Brian Ross who said that Flynn was going to admit to Russian campaign collusion in his deal and the stock market dropped 700 points almost instantaneously.

nailheadtom
4 years ago

The FBI is corrupt from top to bottom, as we see here. In fact, they subsidized career criminal Whitey Bulger for years and probably engineered the wheelchair-bound killer’s murder in a West Virginia prison. It’s correct that none of corrupt will face justice because unlike for normals due process works in their favor. In Byzantine Rome, for instance, Justinian could pull the eyes out of Count Bellisaurius to prevent his enlarging his influence. Internal government affairs aren’t as dramatic now but similarly effective.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  nailheadtom
4 years ago

Jeebus. Belisaurius came back again and again, even after exile, to save Justinan’s ass.

MBlanc46
4 years ago

No one involved in this will ever hear a cell door slam shut behind him/her. Biden becomes pres-elect after the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. Then this all disappears in a puff of smoke. Or, perhaps it doesn’t. Perhaps it all ramps up again to go after former president Trump. Perhaps Donald Trump will be the only one to hear a cell door slam shut behind him.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  MBlanc46
4 years ago

I think it’s very possible that the crazed incompetence/overreach/corruption of the past few years gets swept under the rug in a Biden Administration. Biden will literally be asleep at the wheel as Washington goes back to pre-2016 mode, and Trump will be memory holed. The press will still have to find things to hyperventilate about, but they won’t get another Trump. I don’t think Trump will be locked up. He’ll be allowed to be the same ultimate lightning rod after office. (If he gets assassinated it will be by a rogue person.) They would’ve removed him by now if they… Read more »

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

The one lesson from these people is that if something is even a tangental threat they will never give up. And they love using rules and procedures they have corrupted.

Its why they are obsessed with show trials.

If Trump is not controlled opposition I would expect him to be hounded until he dies. And then onto his children and anyone else from the admin that pushed back and removed out at the next election.

The maniacal glee that would be found from a bankrupt and jailed Trump would be orgiastic for these automatons.

Andy Texan
Reply to  tristan
4 years ago

I agree. Therefore, no civil rights for these people. They should be rounded up post haste. Constitution be damned. It’s dead anyway. Only we are so stupid as to believe in constitutionalism. The first demonRat government after Trump will institute gulags. Why wait? (I know this is a useless vent).

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

Maybe they’ll keep Trump. Slap him around for four more years.

He’s also easy money for the press.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Time to sharpen the National Razor

Tax Slave
Tax Slave
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

The national razor is now used exclusively to shave the legs of the latest transsexual.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Tax Slave
4 years ago

And to go after whitey. The full force of this giant, powerful, wholly corrupt organization is coming after all of us on this comment thread eventually.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Whitney
4 years ago

Ordinarily I’d agree and reply with something about living on your knees/dying on your feet.

But for reasons that will baffle future historians, GloboHomo decided about 2 months ago to take their overwhelming advantages and light them on fire.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

There’s that documentary called The Gift, I think. Something along those lines.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

MemeWarVet,
In what sense? The corona fiasco or Biden or something else?

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

Federalist-

Corona, and specifically the 2nd order effects of it.

When tax revenue collapses, things will start getting “real.”

This in and of itself won’t be the killing stroke, but there will be other mistakes that will make it worse.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

And then they’ll be a giant tax hike. I think the mayor of Nashville said it was going to be in the neighborhood of 32% or something crazy like that. And it’s going to be on all the people that were able to work from home and not lose their paychecks and tell everyone else to stay home while they ordered from Amazon and instacart. I’m looking forward to that.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

MMT will blunt the serious effect of revenue collapse on the feds. The states are another matter, since they can’t print money.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

IMO there will not be a recovery except for a few rich and maybe enough to pay the praetorian guard. My reasoning? Right now something like 65 million people can’t pay their credit cards now and its only going to get worse The money printing won’t help that much since most of it is going into the stock market and into the hands of businesses that are of little real economic value. The pittance going in the hands of workers, hell he half that actually got the stimulus will be gone on back rent or for food which will not… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

Agreed. I’m thinking there will be some pent up demand, but it won’t last the summer. It’s going to be a hard lesson in where wealth actually comes from.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Not that the people in charge will actually learn anything. After all you can’t teach a man something his job requires he not know.

That said Cali will be having serious capital flight and capital loss in not too short a time. They don’t plan to open until like July and once they do, many businesses won’t reopen.

Federal funds will have run out and they will be HUNGRY for revenue. Anyone with anything to lose will be out the door, hopefully remembering to leave any bad habits , especially voting ones back in Cali.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

MMT- Magic Monetary Theory

Andy Texan
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

I’m at a loss to understand this lack of understanding amongst the demonRat governors. Perhaps they think the feds will support their 6 month closed for business order with a gazillion dollar relief bill? Our demonRat mayor has suddenly realized that city budget is in trouble though he was enthusiastic about the quarantine.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Andy Texan
4 years ago

The Democrats figure that once President Trump is gone and there is a Democrat President, the Federal Reserve will be ordered to just mint as much money as they need to stabilize the pension system.

This doesn’t seem very likely but the US is extremely dysfunctional so who knows. I think President Trump will be reelected and the Senate will stay Republican and so the butchers bill will come do sooner than they think.

Member
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

It’s a perfect storm of factors. Biden is part of it as few people really want a senile President and the chaos of the last few months (and years really) means that, for all but the committed SJW fanatics in the blue hives, stability and normality (Trump) will seem the better option than the continued chaos of a new administration and then even more disruption when Biden dies or becomes incapacitated and he’s replaced by whatever nutty diversity hire he picks for a running mate. Then there’s the fact that the blue hives seem to have decided, as MemeWarVet says,… Read more »

Andy Texan
Reply to  pozymandias
4 years ago

The hive is burning down it’s own house to hurt the national economy and Trump’s re-election? Typical demonRat logic.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Andy Texan
4 years ago

This isn’t a Republican vs Democrat thing. Both groups are equally bad . Playing along with party loyalty kayfabe is about as productive as believing in pro wrestling at this point. Truth is, our system roots and bones is corrupt probably beyond repair and entering its decline and collapse spiral. We are at the point in which the best thing to do is to learn to organize for common goals where we can. If we win, great, some problems get solved and we get at least some of our country back. If we fail we’ll have organizational skills and the… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Whitney
4 years ago

Maybe I’m being optimistic, but I don’t think it’ll get that far. I sense people are losing their willingness to tolerate this crap for the sake of stability. Whether or not the lockdown is a redpill moment, it’s got people mighty pissed. Letting them out of their cages won’t stop many of them from directing their rage and mistrust at the political establishment. Trump admin’s lack of action notwithstanding, things are looking bad for Leviathan.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Trump actually buys some measure of tranquility during the corona lockdown. Imagine how restive people would be if Cuomo, De Blasio, and Newsom were running things.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

we’ve got both Cuomo and DiBlasio around here (Brooklyn NY) but from what I see on the streets every day, nobody is restive. Everybody is compliant.

NJ Person
NJ Person
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr
4 years ago

From the Peoples Republic of NJ, things look pretty quiet here. It seems that 90% of the people are still hiding under their beds. Almost total submission. Not exactly the home of the free and brave.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  NJ Person
4 years ago

It’s a different world outside of Megalopolis. Even here on the fringes there’s plenty of frustration. People might wear the mask to go for groceries but they don’t like it. Every day I hear somebody complaining about it in public, usually multiple people. Not to mention ire over the lockdown. Traffic is picking up this week, people aren’t staying home. If that’s happening in central PA, I imagine there’s a whole pissed off continent out there.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

I am seeing evidence of it even in NJ.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  NJ Person
4 years ago

Apparently, there’s a rally scheduled for the 1st.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

where?

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr
4 years ago

Various parts of Trenton, most likely the war memorial. Though it’s been shut down before. I tried to get a bunch of people to go and a few weird things happened to me, so I’m just not going. I really really want to, but I don’t trust the state at all at this point. Those reservations wouldn’t normally matter, but I have a child coming in three months. I’m frustrated, but I’ve also kinda checked out of this whole environment. Honestly, fuck Jersey. Whatever benighted soul it once had has long been suffocated by red tape, exorbitant taxes, and bureaucratic… Read more »

Baja
Baja
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

Get hell outa there, small towns in the Rockies are great, real folks, real life, moved here nearly 4 years ago, Thank God !

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr
4 years ago

New York and New Jersey don’t have all that many Americans any more and the ones that remain are scared or don’t care as they rarely leave home or are enjoying a rather long vacation. There also isn’t much point in protests, no matter how big they are, they get ignored and most people me included don’t want the consequences of forcefully removing the establishment. The US isn’t one country anyway, its like 11 or more. If it could be divided easily by borders, we could just end the farcical union peacefully and by default lawfully but as long as… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

I’d say the point of the protests is to get one’s feet wet. Something about learning how to organize. (Yeah, I know there’s more than one way to do that.) People should probably be trying it, if only for the experience. Maybe it’s enlightening; who knows? But to your point, yes, the protests are worse than ineffectual. That’s why I’ve decided to just leave, and in the next two to three years at that. Family is coming too, and so are some of my fiance’s family. Home is somewhere in America — in fact, I think there may even be… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

The organizational aspect has value but with the consequences of said riots being so heavy for Y/T there ought to be other ways to get the very needed organizing done. Aesop the Raconteur has been an ass of late but with a few exceptions his advice of don’t play in the street is still good. That said unless we make very good decisions we are only a few months from serious food related instability. Even L.A. has long lines at food banks and so Andy Texan may get his wish about riots commencing. No idea how such a thing will… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

Yeah, but I can’t get out in a few months and neither can most others. I have food and a stable source of water in a more rural area than where I am now, but that’s a last resort. I’ve begun the process of moving my life from da nort to the middle of Georgia. I want to be around my own people (armed) when shit really hits the fan, which will probably occur, oh, 5-10 years or so.

Maus
Maus
4 years ago

The fedgov is irredeemably evil. The weight of the past few years’ evidence has displaced Hanlon’s Razor in this particular judgment. Malice and incompetence are not incommensurate and we see now that they coexist in the fedgov’s operations. I no longer see a conflict between my oath as an attorney to support and defend the Constitution and my willing the dismantling of the fedgov, as I did when attributing its failures to mere stupidity and incompetence. Those call for reform, albeit a difficult and protracted one. But malice is the hallmark of a tyrant and calls for destruction. It is… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Maus
4 years ago

And here he goes again, “Our Trump” [sic] The ostensible head of the fed. https://www.newsmax.com/politics/sweden-lockdown-death-toll/2020/04/30/id/965376/?ns_mail_uid=1cee0abb-3b90-4373-8963-46f381ba6d2b&ns_mail_job=DM109553_04302020&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502ohnqzt He says that the USA made the right decision just because Sweden did little (but not quite nothing) to “slow the spread.” Sweden had 2000 more casualties — and that likely includes roofing incidents — than its neighbors. But them being wrong doesn’t make Trump right. In fact, I think that Sweden had the right idea. Their economy will do well, and that means something. Perhaps they should’ve had one or two more edicts, but overall, I’d say they’re doing a better job than us.… Read more »

Boris
Boris
4 years ago

The biggest surprise for our traitors and liberal billionaires is that .Their hate for whites who establish this great country is so big that secretly they wish China to win .But their blind amoral ideology do not undestand how civilization is build and keep .They will be in shock next day if their wishes come to fruit ,when they see what Chinese have in store for them .The hell will look not that scary.

SmackDang
SmackDang
Reply to  Boris
4 years ago

They’ll cut deals and sell us off for live harvest of organs without anesthetic. Our “elite” are psychopaths and sociopaths. They’ll get along just fine with the PRC leadership.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
4 years ago

“As is standard procedure in this age, state media has been silent on the matter, but alternative media sources are reporting on the release of classified documents hidden by the government from Flynn’s defense team in violation of the law.” I don’t know about silent. The state media has been forwarding this to all the usual controlled opposition. In fact, the other day some youtube ad was tossed at me related to this very matter; furthermore, it informed me that it knew my political orientation, age group and gender. That is not a proper rhetorical response, but it is a… Read more »

Chiron
Chiron
4 years ago

Russiagate is a mystery to me, it has hurted the Democrats more than Trump or the GOP.

I think the DNC used Russiagate to keep the Left anti-war crowd out of the party like Tulsi Gabbard, while appearing “tough” on Russia they get friendly with powerful Neocon money men who like to think themselves as “Liberal Interventionists” anyway.

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

Boomer and Xer micks need to wise up: Shlomo has changed the agreement and they are now fair game.

They always were, of course, but not it is out in the open.

Daniel Barger
Member
4 years ago

Lying to a federal agent is probably the number one charge filed by the criminals infesting the FBI. This is how the scheme works……once the criminals pinned to a badge find a pigeon they ask the intended victim if they can “ask them some questions”. If the sucker agrees at least two agents, sometimes more, will show up. One of them doesn’t ask questions and may not say anything. This agents job is to take notes. These notes are NOT word for word, just whatever the transcribing agent chooses to write down. Other agents will speak and ask questions. After… Read more »

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
Reply to  Daniel Barger
4 years ago

A 46 minute lecture by a law professor proving that you should never talk to the police.

https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

BTP
Member
4 years ago

Surely there is someone in D.C. who would be willing to sell out his tribe for a good deal, right? I mean, the Chinese bought them a few years back, so we should be able to buy them back. I wonder if Trump isn’t part of the problem. If you plan on double crossing the thieves you work with at FBI, you really need to be sure you will get paid, Trump has an annoying habit of selling out the people who sell out for him (Bannon, Gorka, Flynn, etc.), so that might be part of the problem. Benedict Arnold… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
4 years ago

You do realize how incomprehensible this game is to those of us not in that world.

Thanks to the host for making what we’re seeing a bit easier to understand.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Trump is in like Flynn. Getting the house back looks pretty doable; all those one term dems in Trump districts are goners (for a start). The man will unveil his plans for a second term (big infrastructure projects) before the election; he will go optimism while the dems go doom and gloom. He is the Casius Clay of politics. Here’s the math for any big name Dem thinking of jumping in when joe is pulled/dies. Why go up against Trump and get bloodied (and probably lose in a way that kills future runs), when you can easily out wait his… Read more »

Frip
Member
4 years ago

Deep state posts are the worst posts. Necessary, for sure. But the subject makes you feel so helpless and screwed over. As would follow from the topic, the comments were almost absurdly depressing as well. Now we’re thinking Trump won’t even win? Man, we all need to get laid.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Frip
4 years ago

*Get laid more.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

The media has rendered Trump into an SJW rhetorical device. Just mention his name around a far left type and they stiffen up like the Manchurian candidate. What a wonderful tool to control public discourse! Also, I’ve noticed many leftists seem to think they offend us by attacking him. As if we’re supposed to be defending him or something? Not to mention he’s exhausted. Maybe he’ll wind up like Biden by the end of his term. I’ve seen him almost keel over during a press conference more than once. Honestly, I can’t see how it matters at this point. Sure,… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

Frip kills it with the ladies.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

I’ve heard they just die laughing.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
4 years ago

And we rhought this Mueller-Flynn crap was bad? Nah. Here’s bad, from BackRowHeckler at Kunstler’s: ” I used to doubt you when you stated capitalists funded the revolution in Russia. Not so anymore. In the early 30s the Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse; their currency was worthless and they resorted to counterfeiting American dollars and British pound notes for foreign exchange. That’s about when Treasurey secretary Paul Mellon, one of the five wealthiest men in America, stepped up and bailed out the Bolsheviks by contracting to buy all the priceless art the Bolsheviks had looted from the… Read more »

JohnTyer
JohnTyer
4 years ago

I still have not figured out why the deep state went after Flynn; why was he targeted?
Of all the people in/near Trump they could have gone after, they chose Flynn??
Why??

Does anybody know?

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  JohnTyer
4 years ago

He was not wealthy and his son was questionable in his ethics and a source of leverage for them.
Biden’s unethical son was fortunate to have a father whom our rulers tolerate and is useful.
Flynn position was a possible threat to them.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  JohnTyer
4 years ago

I carry two bags: things “that I try to figure out,” and “some other shit.” This one definitely goes into the latter. It’s the deep state. Good luck applying Newtonian Physics to it unless you get a good leak.

Failing that, there’s always incompetence.

H I
H I
Reply to  JohnTyer
4 years ago

Because he knew where the bodies were buried in the Obama administration. He and Mike Rogers (who warned Trump about wiretapping) were insiders who were dangerous. Mike Rogers retired in 2018, probably saw the writing on the wall with Flynn.

BreakfastOfChampions
BreakfastOfChampions
4 years ago

Speaking of liars … MSM are publishing centrally-scripted articles regarding stay at home edicts. For example, the trailing article ends with the inadvertently left instructions: “This block will only appear on NBC Chicago.”

See https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/pritzker-breaks-down-changes-coming-to-illinois-stay-at-home-order/2264577/

They don’t care if we notice. They Live (see the film).

Lowinfo Voter
Lowinfo Voter
4 years ago

In a federal prison in Florida, John “Zip” Connolly is kicking himself for staying in Boston after he and the Winter Hill mob rolled up the Anguilos, saying no to the promotion to DC.

ronehjr
ronehjr
4 years ago

“As a result, the last stage for the corrupt institution is when the people inside beginning to scheme against one another to the point where they undermined their mutual efforts.”

The fact that every ethnicity under the sun has representation in D.C. lends credence to this interpretation. The Burger King’s kids club band of merry men will probably not have a high trust quotient.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
4 years ago

What if Trump shuts down the FBI!? I bet $$ that he goes after the federal bureaucracy in general, in his second term.

Tax Slave
Tax Slave
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

That will require MASSIVE voter fraud. You’ll have to write a post with your thoughts on that.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Tax Slave
4 years ago

The push for nationwide mail or online voting due to the Chinese flu scare would easily facilitate massive voter fraud. If the Dems swap out Biden for Cuomo, it won’t be necessary. Trump barely won the first time. A growing number of people are angry about the lockdowns, a majority still fear the virus more. Don’t underestimate the number of Americans who would gladly sign up to get paid to stay home and stare at screens all day.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Barnard
4 years ago

More depressing is the fact(?) that many of them are money ahead to dispense with the job thing and just collect unemployment and other benefits.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Barnard
4 years ago

“the number of Americans who would gladly sign up to get paid to stay home and stare at screens all day.”

Gods I would. That was my original goal in jumping for the brass ring. 30 years of research I’ve missed now.

Betcha they won’t jubilee any debt, though. UBI will be a scheme to keep the rehypothecated loan cash flows going.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Tax Slave
4 years ago

I have full confidence in the deep states ability to pull off massive voting fraud. Here or other countries. They’ve plenty of practice.

GOP Must Die
GOP Must Die
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

Notice how in the 2018 midterms and all the special elections after 2016, ballot harvesting was always used to increase the Democratic margin in too-close-to-call results? Almost without exception, the ballot harvesting never increased the Republican results in these close races. How is that statistically possible? The fact that no Republicans have raised a stink about this – not even the candidates who “lost” have raised a stink – shows how they’re in on the fix. They know their role is to provide a palliative escape valve for old white people, and they faithfully fulfill that role. It’s actually the… Read more »

UFO
UFO
Reply to  GOP Must Die
4 years ago

Do white people really care though?

As whites, especially young whites, are plummeting drastically as a % of population in Canada, I expected to see increased in-group solidarity.

Shocking, it’s actually showing that we have *less* in-group solidarity. Whites are increasing self-destructive behaviors – drug use, video games, negro culture, lower birth rate, lower marriage rate.

Young white men are totally vapid and seem effeminate, and cling on to negro culture as their last shred of “masculinity”.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

Votes cast from American citizens abroad are probably only counted if they go to the “correct” persons. It’s a claim I’ve heard in nearly every country I’ve been with with a substantial American expatriate community.

Tin Man
Tin Man
Reply to  Tax Slave
4 years ago

No, it doesn’t need to be all that massive. Just in a few strategic places like Ohio and Pennsylvania.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Tax Slave
4 years ago

Hart-Celler was all the fraud that was necessary…

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Trump’s bluster and bravado method of operation is adequate for closing real estate deals, especially when the people you have working for your organization have the same goals as the owner. In reforming a government bureaucracy that views him as the enemy and is actively working against him it is useless. That does raise the question of what kind of man could realistically get elected President and effectively reform the government. I doubt such a man is alive today.

sam the man
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

No. They will not go to jail. Don’t forget, they are trained in all kinds of methods. ( terminate with extreme prejuidice ring a bell?) If they get desperate they will get dangerous.

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Trump was the last gasp of a declining demographic. He will not win a second term, and he will be the last nominally “conservative” President before what comes next.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  ConservativeFred
4 years ago

Well, whites as a whole are a declining demographic. The whites who do not hate themselves / are “Americans” are actually growing as a % of whites, slowly, mostly due to differential fertility.

GOP could easily be winning for a long time ahead if all whites voted as they do in the South. Or if Trump actualy implemented the MAGA agenda.

The 35-45% chunk of anti-white whites is what is dooming us (and them). Our treatment of the natives is humane compared to what is coming for us.

Boris
Boris
Reply to  UFO
4 years ago

The problem is that is not possible for him in that very moment to implement the MAGA AGENDA..The deep state have behind them 80 percent of the mighty financial and economic power what is USA.So literally said he cannot simply do it.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  UFO
4 years ago

To my shame I learned that the two kings before Cromwell, Charles 1 and another, also sold off the Irish in droves into slavery.

It’s not all just the J’s. They facilitate industrial-scale anti-whiteness with their frameworks, but there are already too many anti-whites in white populations.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  ConservativeFred
4 years ago

All you have to do is look at California. Schwarzenegger got his second term and promptly capitulated to the liberals. Now the Dems have a perpetual lock on the state and we are treated to a vortex of progressive degeneracy as the spiral to outdo each scheme hastens. Bullet Train to Nowhere; Sanctuary State; Prison Sentencing “Realignment”; $500 Cash for Each Undocumented (read illegal) Immigrant; etc. The outrages never cease, and the taxes never decrease.

Boris
Boris
Reply to  Maus
4 years ago

I KNOW IS VERY DIFICULT ,BUT IF YOU ALL LEAVE THE STATE, THEY WILL START BATHING IN THEYR OWN FILTH.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Maus
4 years ago

Maus – and the Whites who stay make no difference but keep on paying, and the Whites who leave Californicate wherever they decamp to.

Boris
Boris
Reply to  ConservativeFred
4 years ago

Trump understand that we are on crossroads and loosing our civilisation only on his instinct.He can not grasp fully the situation.He have done what is possible from man with his intelectual power ,but that power is not near enough to understand the great complexity of the situation.What i want to say is. If that was back in 1776 .he will be the soldier who keep the door when the Founding Fathers discuss strategies.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

“just a bullshitter who got lucky” <= what would Freud say about this?

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Freud would say “trust the Plan, good goy.”

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

He’d add in something about an oral fixation too.

NoTrump2020
NoTrump2020
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

There probably is some fierce quarreling in the Biden campaign (or the Washington establishment, because the two really are the same) over who the VP pick should be. Everyone understands that the VP will be levered into POTUS shortly after the “election,” so there probably are some factions emerging that we aren’t privy to: There’s probably a faction that has concluded that since Biden has the black vote all locked up by himself, he doesn’t have to pander with a black woman VP pick and instead can pick a milquetoast “working class” white or mystery meat woman that has a… Read more »

northwest-moss
northwest-moss
Reply to  NoTrump2020
4 years ago

Every campaign needs a soundtrack and the Biden-Abrams ticket already has a great one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZHwGnGrm_k

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  northwest-moss
4 years ago

Heh. Northwest-moss, my youtube feed of “And I’m Black Y’all” is followed by “1177 BC- the Collapse of Civilization”.

Chad Bigly
Chad Bigly
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

right, if only he was as smart as you are. how do you go through life being such a pessimist? why do you even bother getting out of bed in the morning? You are a constant stream of doom and gloom.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

He can work a crowd, though. That’s not luck.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

“I doubt there is a second term, but his record thus far says he may tweet about it, but will not try to anything. Trump is just a bullshitter who got lucky.”

If that’s true then we’re fucked six ways to next Sunday. Lucky bullshitter or not, Donnie is the only chance that there MIGHT be some change.

Without him, it’s Katy bar the fucking door.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Trump is walking a fine line in DC. If he pushes too far, the Deep State will go mega nuclear. Right now they are nuking the national economy using the Rona as an excuse, but they still have Arkancide in the quiver. Do not underestimate the desperation of the entitled elites.

Tax Slave
Tax Slave
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Would be awesome. Fuck the left.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tax Slave
4 years ago

My leftie friends are all on the “burn it down” train because they’re as frustrated as we are. “Everyone is created equal” didn’t bring Utopia.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

If he gets a second term, he will no longer have to pander to his voters, but can devote all his attention to buying favors with people who matter, people who can do nice things for him and his family.

As Ann Coulter said, whatever we’re going to get out of this guy, we need to get it before the election.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

oh yes, please use Manhands Fran as some kind of voice of authority. Guffaw. She is the biggest fraud out there…

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

She’s been bang on the money on Trump from day one, and she’s right on this one too.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Karl, the speed with which MAGA turned on Coulter is astonishing. She had more to do with getting him elected that any other pundit out there and she hasn’t changed her tune nearly as much or as often as Trump has.

MAGA was one thing and I fell for it – but Meme Trump Great Forever is a personality cult. Fool us once…

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Queen Ann lost a lot of MAGA-support when she happened to notice that Trump had ousted Team Bannon, stuffed his cabinet with neocons and invited his kayak son-in-law to the WH, given him a top level security clearance: “How many fucking Jews do these people think there are in the United States?”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

One of many, but last Friday’s podcast had this immortal line about human affairs:

“They take care of the people who take care of them.”

One Termer
One Termer
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

There will be no second term. Trump himself doesn’t seem to be particularly enthused for a second term. He wants to get back to his casinos and country clubs.

Trump’s margin in the rust belt was so tiny in each state that this time that margin will easily be swamped by a combination of fraud, lethargy and loss of enthusiasm (I know I’ve given up voting for anything), demographic replacement, and general anger about economic turmoil.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  One Termer
4 years ago

Simple birth / death data from PA and MI since 2016 are enough to make him lose. More old white people have died off, than have become of voting age (let alone right wing young people). Black population is staying steady and of course other non whites are exploding in growth on top of that.

Even if all immigration had been banned on January 1, 2017, he would likely still lose MI and PA.

Orange man is done, barring a second lightning strike.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  UFO
4 years ago

West Pennsylvania needs to secede. I’d draw the line direct north from where the Susquehanna leaves the state, after kicking out all the Harrisburg folks who were born in Philly & its Suburbs. The Ghettos (i use that term in it’s original sense) in Pittsburgh and ghettos (in the current sense) of Erie won’t be enough to overcome the rest of the state.

Silver Linings Playbook
Silver Linings Playbook
Reply to  One Termer
4 years ago

Plus this time there is no opponent that was viscerally hated (Clitler). Biden’s a corrupt doddering senile old fool, but people just don’t viscerally hate him. On the plus side, I think trump’s loss will eventually prove to be a relief to the dissident right. We’ve stagnated since 2016 because we’ve been distracted over and over again breathlessly wondering “will trump do this right thing this time?” only to be betrayed time and time again. With that distraction gone and clear enemy lines redrawn, the dissident right will be able to refocus on organizing in the shadows. Tech censorship will… Read more »

H I
H I
Reply to  Silver Linings Playbook
4 years ago

Kavanaugh cucked recently on the NY 2A case, along with Roberts. After all that.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  One Termer
4 years ago

Deep State has allowed the angry idiots to front the deal (Hillary, Obama, Biden). But the real work will be done by smart people working in the shadows (Soros, and the invisible people one level up from him). One day the angry idiots will drop off the radar screen and the real deal will show up in true Terminator style. Enjoy the clown show while it lasts. It’s sad but funny to watch so many people try to prop up drooling Joe. But the shit’s getting real, very soon.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Gotta get out of the north…

Andy Texan
Reply to  One Termer
4 years ago

I think he win in order to avoid jail.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Karl, what stopped Trump from “draining the swamp” in the first term? What’s going to be different this time around (if he wins)?

Plan-trusters and Q-Dips please explain – and don’t forget to account for the likelihood that House & Senate Dems will be even stronger in his 2nd term.

Filling the Swamp
Filling the Swamp
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

The “he has to wait till the second term to do anything” trust-the-plan crowd always makes me laugh. Every president tries to cram through as much as possible in their first 90 days, and in their first term generally, because a second term is never guaranteed. Trump (and the GOP) had the senate, the house, a majority of governorships, and executive power all in his/their hands when the left was still punch-drunk and staggering around in a lost and confused infighting haze. They did nothing. Trump had his pulse on the mood of the people, but had either no heart/effort… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Filling the Swamp
4 years ago

I think that posterity will view Trump as the little engine that could have but chose not to.

Andy Texan
Reply to  Filling the Swamp
4 years ago

Super heros are only in comic books.

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DFCtomm
Member
4 years ago

They wanted Flynn to lie, and implicate others perhaps he refused, and that is what dragged out his sentencing.