No Apologies Interview

I wish I was better at being a guest on these things, but I accept the fact that I can’t be good at some things. Josh was a very good interviewer. He’s new to the movement, but he is not new to video work. I told him after that we need more people, who do nice, civilized video shows that allow normal whites to ease into this stuff, without feeling like they are doing something immoral. Josh has a very pleasant presentation so he is a good fit for that role. I enjoyed the show and I thank him for having me.

42 thoughts on “No Apologies Interview

  1. I notice that there seems to be a new crop of young YouTube personalities, including Josh. I’ve been listening to the Milleniyule series where Woes interviews some of the new content-creators. Typically they got red-pilled fairly recently with a lot of help from online dissident content. Since the truth is on our side and the other side has constructed a rickety structure of lies, it’s often just a matter of getting intelligent folks exposure to our arguments.

  2. PJB, eh?

    Yah. Been there, done that, and have an autographed (!!!!!) tee-shirt.

    Calvin invented the denial of free will (moral free will), by the way. There are insuperable problems with that theological take on man, grace, and redemption.

  3. I thought it was as good as any interview. About the elites being terrified of exclusion or being barred from anyplace. Right, but it’s not about wanting to be included, but rather about chasing down people they don’t like. So nobody can get away from them. That’s another subtext of neoconservative world hegemony.

    As to how I got here, I think I was born red pilled. They said, that one is inadequate to be hooked to the matrix, just leave him there. That’s why I’m red pilled.

  4. OT: Z-Man, what do you advise Dissident Right commenters do to protect their online anonymity now and in the future? Would you say use of both a VPN and Onion Browser, along with an anonymous Proton Mail account or burner email sites, is mandatory? Is there a VPN you would recommend?

    You posted a Gab post not too long ago about a company producing computers designed from the ground up for security and anonymity (well out of my price range, unfortunately) . Considering how matters are spiraling, considering that the rule of law already does not apply to us, considering what Africa-tier lunatics could be charge in even the near future, what are the odds that the resources and technology of the ‘merican state will be used to sift the government’s saved history of the internet and compile black lists of every minor Evil man and woman who in any way contributed in our sphere, with God knows what consequences for them? I can imagine these being used as a political instrument of a President to whip-up his supporters sort of like Orwell’s “2 minutes of hate” sessions.

  5. Z-Man,

    Enjoyed the show. In particular, I liked that you brought up the “how did you get here” question. I’ve always been curious about the path that people take.

    For me, while I didn’t grow up around blacks or Hispanics, we did have some Indians – native, not dot – around and it was clear to anyone that Indians have a genetic issue with alcohol. I also grew up around a lot of working-class white kids, which keeps you more honest, I believe.

    Anyway, I was your typical libertarian/conservative back in the 90s, but I definitely noticed the endless push for women and NAMs at companies and the government, which pissed me off and started to weaken my views. Sometime in the early 2000s, I came across Charles Murray and the Bell Curve. I was reading something Murray wrote online and he mentioned La Griffe du Lion, the Zorro of statistics, so I looked him up.

    That was pretty much the end of my old way of thinking.

    Lion had a link to Fred Reed, who had a link to Steve Sailer and here we are.

    My guess is that Murray and Sailer gets mentioned a lot in peoples’ paths, but, like I said, that’s just a guess.

    Btw, if I’m remembering right, Lion seemed to mention the Baltimore area fairly frequently. I’m assuming that he was a professor in the area but who knows. If so, Baltimore seems to be producing quite a few dissident right figures.

  6. Tech difficulties aside, I thought you did a great job with what you were given. You have what appears to be a terse and unapologetic style when responding to questions that seem (to me at least) as either uninteresting or somewhat foolish. It is much appreciated. Still, I noted that you. ducked the issue of Trump’s treatment of Cohen by focusing on Cohen’s seedy nature as the possible attraction to Trump. He’s no Pat Buchanan, really just the better alternative to Hillary or the clutch of cuckservatives. Yet, it troubles me that he frequently denigrates those who served his team rather than let them fade quietly away. Not just Cohen; but Lewandowski, Bannon, Sessions et al. It seems like a real character flaw; and just the sort of vice that makes building a coalition of differing white interest groups more challenging than necessary. Your thoughts on this would be helpful. Finally, what led you to collaborate with this Josh Neal? After a quick web search, I am on the fence about adding another source to the regular stream. I don’t want to be dismissive, but he’s a Millennial with a book about dating and a background in psychology. I am already souring on Chateau Heartiste, but mostly because the comments there are a dog’s breakfast and the PUA stuff is a tedious bore. As an aside, most of your commenters are truly value-adding guys with whom I’d genuinely enjoy sharing a beer and a chat. Any way, what’s Neal’s redeeming hook, if he’s got one?

  7. I enjoyed the podcast. Glad you took the invite. He is a thoughtful guy. I will listen to his future ‘casts’. Your extended answers on ‘free will’ were informative. I think a lot of (not all) disagreements on this charged topic are about perspective/framing. Useful for me to keep in mind moving forward. Thanks for posting the podcast. I missed it last night.

  8. w/r/t anonymity – I’ve been advising people to keep their face off net for a years, but note that voice recognition tech has made equivalent advances recently: My mega-employer recently decided that voice recognition was an option instead of passwords in some contexts. Your cat is out of that bag already, but jes’ sayin’… In any case, hav fun stormin’ da kassel.

  9. This was great. I’d never heard of Josh but I’ll look into his other stuff now. Between this and the show you did with Dennis Dale and Luke Ford a while back, I think you’re underrating yourself wrt interviews. A Rogan-style long, sprawling conversation with an interesting guest would be a good format for you. Just don’t worry about timing or making it feel like an “interview”, nobody will care.

    You hit on some good points when you were talking about the military. The infantry is ~85% white, and every level of selectivity above the regular infantry (airborne units, 75th, SF, etc.) makes the white share greater. The JSOC units that do the lion’s share of trigger-pulling these days are virtually 100% white.

    Every time they tighten the PC screws, more white guys realize the military is becoming an actively hostile entity and decide to gtfo. The leadership can get away with alienating whitey for a little while longer, but it is going to be a real problem eventually. An army of nonbinary wise latinx infantrypersons probably won’t be enough to maintain Pax Americana.

    • The hell with Z-man, where does an “extreme” connotation leave me? I tend to think Z-man is pretty much right on and even a bit restrained. 😉

    • IDGAF what telling the truth about uncontrolled immigration does to Fox News’s revenue stream. I do care what uncontrolled immigration is doing to the country.

  10. I enjoyed your discussion of how you got your intellectual understanding from being in the underclass. I too grew up in the underclass (among Irish and Italian NY’ers) and later moved to an upper class suburb in my high school years. The one thing that shocked me in moving to the upper middle class was how everyone was very feminine (even in the early 90’s), and that people seemed to have no sense of loyalty to one another, even among friends.

    I remember from my time in the working class that while the bullying was brutal and physical, your friends always stood by you through thick and thin; in other words, there was a code of honor between them. In the upper middle class, everything is a continuous rat race in order to get into the best school, best athlete team, etc. Thus, people’s conception of friendship is probably seen more as a temporary alliance to help further each others’ goals. When you move up, you then easily discard who you’ve been using. I can remember all the times I tutored people in my suburb, only for them to ignore me once I “fulfilled” my purpose.

    I suspect it’s all a game to them; each knows they are using the other, so there is a culture of fakery to maximize this exploitation. It’s no different than that episode of “Black Mirror” where people are using others to boost their “social credit” scores in order to get access to better living units, more exclusive friends, etc.

  11. Whoa Zman!
    didn’t realize you were a 2600er.
    what’s your opinion of “emmanual goldstein”?
    I used to listen to his show on WBAI, back in the day.
    is he controlled opposition, or the real deal?

      • i thought i heard you say you did phone phreaking..
        2600 is a magazine about phones and computer hacking.
        they also had a radio show on NYC’s far left WBAI,where they discussed hacking, phreaking, surveillence, anonymity, etc.
        They also sponsor H.O.P.E Hacking On Planet Earth,which is an annual conference about the computer underground.

        • Ah. I never heard the term 2600er. If I did I forgot it. Yeah, I was into phone phreaking way back in the old days. I can’t say I was into the sub-culture that much. I just like puzzles. That and it was necessary to get on-line or gain access to a BBS or university system. You also needed to know how to control a modem.

          Oddly, I wound installing phone systems at some of my first employers, because I knew the fundamentals of phone systems.

          • some of those guys would set up conference calls, where anybody could call in (at no cost naturally … they had hacked some corporation’s PBX), and shoot the breeze about hacking. There would be 20 guys at least, talking shop. It would be great to set up something like that for ourselves.

    • Yes, he said that. I suppose it meant he wishes there were fewer boomers. One thing to remember about the boomers, a lot of them are still around and that cohort is much whiter than the population now. When they’re dead, the country will be deep in its inevitable brownout.

        • David;
          Yeah, your Wright. Except in polygamous cultures where there is a proportion of excess males that needs to be hived off in the interest of social stability, extended war is always dysgenic. In monogamous cultures it increases the proportion of the stupid, the sociopaths and the slackers and decreases the proportion of active, fit and intelligent men and their descendants.

          The wrong Boomers were being killed off in Vietnam. I knew some of them.

        • If only boomer Vietnam vets had come home unabashedly Rightist and ready for war, with both the Left and the whole of the plutodemocracy elite:

          “It is important to recognize, however, that the anti-war myth has not always enjoyed such hegemony. In the 1920s and 1930s, it vied with a powerful “pro-war” position for interpretive rights to the conflict. For German writers (and veterans) like Ernst Jünger, Franz Schauwecker, Werner Beumelberg, and Edwin Dwinger, the war’s violence was less victimizing than empowering. Life in the trenches had meant an experience of comradeship and newly awakened feelings of national belonging, and an encounter with emotional intensities denied by the security of civilian life. Far from senseless suffering, the war had been a transcendent event, a revelation of the beauty of collective struggle and the nobility of self-sacrifice for high ideals. The war, Jünger declared in 1922, had created a “wholly new race, intelligent, strong, and full of will.””
          https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/rest-peace-world-war-living-memory#!

          The radical French Right that developed out of the Algerian War also comes to mind:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_arm%C3%A9e_secr%C3%A8te

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Venner

          https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OwHlZrwBwTc/UaITU8b5oPI/AAAAAAAAAGU/nBbzRRx1wUs/s1600/20130522025327-venner.png

          I would say that, centrally, growing up in thoroughly bourgeois, anti-Axis ‘merica had corrupted their minds, and anything resembling this was redirected and utterly wasted on Conservatism, Inc. The hard-fighting combat soldiers of Vietnam still earn my deep respect, however.

  12. Excellent interview. Zman, you’re being too critical. Of course in our heads we can envision a better performance than we can actually execute. That’s true of any endeavor. And it’s good to discover a new voice for our side, NAL. I see that he’s on Millennial Woes’ Milleniyule ‘18.

    • The reason I agreed to do it is our team needs new voices and he seems like he has promise as a live streamer and interviewer. An important part of our project is helping new people get their footing. That said, some people are naturals at live shows. I am not. I lose my train of thought and go on for too long. Greg Cochran does the same thing, so if it is OK for a super genius, i guess it is OK for me.

  13. Thanks for linking this, sir. It’s always a delight finding new podcasts and content from our team.

  14. A piece of advice for the interviewer, and I don’t know if this is entirely his fault. I checked the stresm several times befor I heard your voice. I think he was doing to much of the talking. Who knows? Maybe you just weren’t all that gabby last night.

    One other quibble I have is with saying that Jefferson’s declaration of human equality was an outlier in the 18th century. Talk like that was common among enlightenment thinkers and writers. One way of handling it would be to point out that the average American was no such thing. Another would be to say that all those guys were for the most part classically educated and knew the difference between communistic equality and the concept of isonomos from Greek democracy, in which there was equality before the law of full citizens, and there were a plethora of other classes of people inhabiting Greek city-states who most certainly did not have full rights under the law, but had inferior status defined by law.

    • There were some strange technical issues. If either of us were not on mute, there was terrible feedback. So we took turns muting ourselves. I’m not sure if it was something on my end or his end. YouTube was having issues last night as other channels had problems, so it may have been a Google issue.

  15. Okay, I live in a majority-black city and what you were saying about when it’s like this demographically in the whole country there is something happening here that will change it if we’re in collapse. The rate of HIV infection among black people is worse than any African nation. It’s probably like that all the way through the country. If things collapse, no more meds. Is that an anti black pill? I feel strange even pointing that out but I’m doing it anyway.

    • Yes it is anti-black pill of sorts. The sad fact is our government subsidizes Moral Hazard in multiple aspects of society and we wonder why the country took the Am-Trak to hell so fast.

      With advent of another Great Depression, it will end much of this Just government support of human stupidity and lack of impulse control in a most fatal and painful way from diabetes to AIDS to supporting masses of 3rd world savages who wouldn’t be able to exist without Uncle Sam footing the bill.

      BTW this is important for our side to get healthy and fit. So if things do go side ways, that part of your life is covered. Because chances are that medical care will be the first thing heavily rationed.

      • My sense of things is that with collapse health care will be cheaper and more available. Nurses and nurse practitioners will be setting up independent practices because the government will not have the resources to regulate them out of business, or they will do a black market business in cash or barter. The tough things to get will be complex surgical operations and closely monitored chemotherapy or dialysis. Things will get better at the bottom of the health care pyramid and much worse at the top of it.

        Having an illegal drug trade and covert pharmaceutical industry could be a good thing in the long run. There will be a big demand for anesthetic agents and muscle relaxants for surgery. Much risk will come into play with re-use of what we now consider to be disposable items in hospitals. One thing that will be in big demand again will be steam autoclaves that were in use in most offices not so long ago.

        • What you describe is a Libertarian utopia. It won’t work with the millions of chronically sick individuals many of whom have multiple health issues and who require comprehensive and costly medical support. Nor can it cope with the 30 million illegals and blacks who are masters of self-inflicted health issues and can’t pay for crap. Nor can it deal with the acutely ill which is often synonymous with illegals and blacks.

          If you were to walk into a ER or dialysis clinic in the South-West you’d see that right away.

          For those people, a serious economic upset will be a death sentence once Medicare payments stop or dramatically scaled back. We’re looking at many millions dying.

          That said, your scenario would work once all the old, sick and stupid people die off. That would only entail conservatively some 40 million to die.

          In regards to medication. No you do not want to be buying drugs to self-medicate on the black market You have no frigging clue the risk that entails. It’s one thing to drive over the border to get your prescription filled in Mexico or Canada. It’s entirely different thing to prescribe yourself medication for a illness you self-diagnosed.

    • The other day a car collapsed down into the street in front of my house. The water main had been broken under the street for some time and all the dirt washed out from under. People are commonly shot and killed in my neighborhood.

      A crew was there with big trucks and wenches to pull it out. Everyone was standing around watching, and I said “viscous tribesmen, sink holes; it’s almost as if we live on some savage continent,” laughing out loud. Just blank stares from everyone. Oh well.

    • I think I would be terrible as an interviewer. That’s an underrated skill. Like being a guest, it requires a sense of timing that eludes me.

      • You were a fine guest, I wanted the interview to go longer. Derbyshire having a podcast of his own might be of help in this area. You know best, but I hope you try it at least once.

      • Are you sure you’d be terrible? You do a lot of prep for your podcasts and that comes through in their quality. Just give him a list of interesting questions you want to ask him in advance and see what happens.

    • It would kind of be an echo chamber. There’s almost no distance between the two. You need a little difference a contrast to get a dialectic going.

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