Fringe Politics

I like to mix things up to keep it fresh, so this week I’m doing a show on some of the more fringe aspects of the dissident right. Even though these political movements don’t get a lot of discussion, they have had a lot of influence on outsider politics in America and in Europe. Some of the things that you hear in alt-right circles, for example, come from National Bolshevism and Archeofuturism. Even if you are not interested in signing onto a fringe political movement, knowing something about them can be useful.

This is a topic I have been looking forward to doing for a while now. I’ve had some exposure to all of these at one time or another, but I had to take some time to get reacquainted with much of it. It’s fascinating to me how some ideologies don’t change all that much. The Third Position guys, for example, have been pretty much the same since I first encountered them as a kid. Even though the Cold War is a fading memory, there are people out there still viewing the world in terms of the old Left and old Right.

The segment on Archeofuturism is probably the most salient. I’m not someone who comes from that school of thought, but Guillaume Faye is probably the one “right-wing” thinker in the last couple of generations to seriously re-think what it means to be on the Right. He is certainly one of the few who moved his focus up the great chain of causality from institutions to biology and culture. Most of the conventional Right has gone the other way, falling into the gutter of libertarian economics. Faye is a guy worth reading again.

One administrative note. I did a long interview with the guys at Identity Dixie this week and the results will be posted on their site this upcoming week. I think I will be doing a post on the topic of Southern Nationalism at some point, but their site has a lot of interesting stuff on the topic. They did a podcast with the Ensign Hour guys, a Canadian nationalist podcast, that was quite interesting. There is a surprising amount of overlap between Southern nationalism and Canadian nationalism. If you have time it is worth a listen.

This week I have the usual variety of items in the now standard format. Spreaker has the full show. I am up on Google Play now, so the Android commies can take me along when out disrespecting the country. I am on iTunes, which means the Apple Nazis can listen to me on their Hitler phones. The anarchists can catch me on iHeart Radio. YouTube also has the full podcast. Of course, there is a download link below. I have been de-platformed by Spotify, because they feared I was poisoning the minds of their Millennial customers.

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Corn
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Corn

“here is a surprising amount of overlap between Southern nationalism and Canadian nationalism.”

I never thought I’d read that statement. Definitely have to listen to that podcast.

Member

Primarily their enemies, was my first thought,

Dirtnapninja
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Dirtnapninja

Im not surprised. They are both branches on the anglo-american tree that have long struggled to survive under the shadow of yankee power

Exile
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Exile

Third Positionists would seem to be the best fit with Dissident Right American populism. For better or worse, this would skew recruiting toward younger generations less indoctrinated with “Fascism Bad.” While the German version is comprehensively anathematized, few react to Mussolini like Hitler. Heinlein remains popular here. Southerners in particular have a tradition of aristocracy that Americans need to embrace, not erase. Bannon’s appeal on the Right, whether you buy into him or not, wasn’t damaged by spluttering about Pareto. We need creative ways to work aristocracy and its values into the fabric of government, with strong firewalls against its… Read more »

Rock Torrie
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Rock Torrie

Matt Taibbi still writes for Rolling Stone. His work on the lead up to the financial crisis is excellently summed up in ‘Griftopia’ and he coined the now popular term ‘vampire squid’ in reference to Goldman Sachs. His direct experience in Russia as an ex-pat gave him enough insight on how patently absurd the whole Russiagate thing was, and how the Clinton’s fingerprints were all over it. Because his NPC programming still defaults to ‘orange man bad’, he stays stuck banging on that wall like a broken Roomba. He’s a devoted Bernie Bro. Ames got into trouble for his writings… Read more »

AltitudeZero
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AltitudeZero

I always hated Taibbi and Ames like snakes, but Taibbi has really had his eyes opened by the Russiagate scam. He’s worth watching

Johnny55
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Johnny55

Taibbi is worth reading. But yeah, just know his biases. He wrote a great piece on Romney and Bain Capital.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

I haven’t listened yet but I sincerely hope that the segment on NazBol features the phrase “Erik Striker is a Wignat retard and no one should take him seriously.”

Nathan
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Nathan

HAIL STRIKER!
HAIL VICTORY!
HAIL OUR PEOPLE!

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

I didn’t find hailgate cringe at the time and defended Spencer vociferously.

Observed reality showed me my mistake. I reject any WN “leader” who hasn’t learned from the compound disasters of 2017.

Lester Fewer
Guest

I’m sure that “Fringe Politics” is an interesting topic for a podcast, especially for somebody like Z who’s an astute observer of the overall scene. But personally (and non-astute-wise), I’ve been sort of under the vague impression that for quite some time now, we’ve really had nothing BUT fringe politics. I’m sort of hard-pressed to think of anyone in public life right now who isn’t some species of crackpot. For instance, I’ve never really been able to figure out what “right-wing” actually means in its own terms. Insofar as I’ve ever been “right-wing”, all I really meant was that I… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

I have not listened yet, but my own take is that conservativish “leave me alone” movements or expressions immediately get labeled as “ultra right wing” or “fascist”.

The Lefties are all about not leaving people alone. They want the skims, the gibs, the shaming, and the ostracizing. Any room given for “leave me alone” impedes all of that.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

The neoliberal big business types don’t want to leave you alone either. Hence the massive amount of money spent to get your eyeballs in front of their psychological propaganda marketing. Ask your doctor about Xilcor.

Member

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that Doolittle is a nut. When you started reading parts of his seven pillar word salad, it sounded exactly like one of your Xirl Science bits.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Are you familiar with Doolittle’s protege, John Mark? His YouTube stuff is actually pretty good.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand
Severian
Guest

At the risk of sounding like a special snowflake… is there any way to get transcripts of these podcasts? For various reasons, mostly work-related, I simply don’t have time to listen to something on headphones in secrecy for an hour. I can, however, read a transcript of an hour-long show in about 15 min. Would that be a gigantic pain in the ass, or is it something doable?

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Felix_Krull

I’d do a couple, no charge.

bob sykes
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bob sykes

I would greatly appreciate a transcript, too.

Member
Felix_Krull

You’re following this, Z? Just say the word if you want a few Power Hours transcribed.

Johnny55
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Johnny55

Z man and dissidents:

Have you seen the Katie McHugh article by the special people at Buzzfeed. Jesus, she threw a shit ton of people under the bus and ruined many lives. I truly believe there can be no women in the circle of trust. Which is why we need to set up many layers of op sec for this thing.

Member
Felix_Krull

Hoo-boy! Next time, give us a warning! Talk about Trudeau-level eyebrowry… My psychobitch-detector just blew up.

Anyway, who the fuck is Katie McHugh? Never heard of her before.

Member
Felix_Krull

Hahaha!

Sobran’s death was also her introduction to even further-right media; when he died in 2010, her online search for obituaries led her to the VDare and American Renaissance websites, she said.

Amren and Vdare! Holy God, that’s what Buzzfeed considers further-right?

Damn, these clowns have no idea what’s coming for them.

Chet Rollins
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Chet Rollins

Former Breitbart reporter.

Kind of a dim bulb. Like most grifters, she seems to have taken the ‘reformed’ persona after failing to make it in the right. She is currently doing her ritual purification to the left to atone for her sins.

The left will not forgive, and not the friends she betrayed.

Member
Felix_Krull

I see, thanks.

Funny article, though. Check this:

Sobran’s death was also her introduction to even further-right media; when he died in 2010, her online search for obituaries led her to the VDare and American Renaissance websites, she said.

Amren and VDare are ‘further-right’? These people have no clue, do they?

Exile
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Exile

Fired from Breitbart a year or so ago for hatethink of some sort, seemed to be “one of ours” at that time.

Member
Felix_Krull

Wait a moment! Is this the girl who got beaten to pulp and brutally raped to death by Corey Lewandowsky at a Trump rally?

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Good news, Gentlemen! I get that you feel betrayed by Cute Katie. Sure, you quietly climb out of bed, your head pounding with that hangover, as you creep to the door, fumbling the doorknob before she wakes up. Turning back for one last glimpse of her, you knew it was the alcohol talking last night, what were you thinking, you notice the 70 extra pounds, the bad skin, the rumpled snoring mouth, and she is still talking….in her sleep! But you knew what you were thinking…last night. And….you’ll do it all again. Next time she could be Glenn Close you… Read more »

Member
Felix_Krull

I get that you feel betrayed by Cute Katie.

Cute Katie!?! Are we talking about the girl in the Buzzfeed article? The chubby yenta with the ridiculously fake eyebrows and the psycho stare?

Hell, I’d rather do Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I appreciate the warning, but I’m old enough to spot a bunny-boiler.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Katie’s twitter photo looked attractive, but it was very suspicious that we never saw her from the neck down.

Guess we know why now.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Err..yeh. Ruth Bader Ginsburg?! Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Member
Felix_Krull

Ouch.

So, is it the Lewandowsky-girl? The one that got MILO and Shapiro at each others’ throats?

Nathan
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Nathan

No, that was Michelle Fields, a mixed race grifter. Katie McHuge is just a fat, white traitor.

Member
Felix_Krull

Michelle Fields, that right!

Thanks. I guess I could’ve googled that.

Exile
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Exile

Not sure I’d say no women whatsoever but they are clearly a high risk, especially unmarried childless career gurls. Married mothers have more skin in the game No argument with vetting them twice as hard and raising the bar.

Exile
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Exile

Just finished it. What a goy-grovel. For those without the stomach for this bile, here’s a synopsis: “I take full responsibility for everything I said and did but lets talk for pages more about the people who were responsible for making naive little me into a monster and not stopping me as I got more monstrous.” Another soulless, wormtongued climber.

Range Front Fault
Guest
Range Front Fault

Jesus-Joseph and Mary! And you guys call us mercurial! Can’t you tell a parody when you see one. If at least half of you guys haven’t done what I just wrote about I’d be surprised.
Are you going to allow some humor in the brave new counter-world you wish to create, or can we not laugh at our own human nature?
So get back on your horse and let’s get the sheep up the plateau to summer pasture. There’s work to do.

Range Front Fault
Guest
Range Front Fault

An off-topic, renewing moment from Rural-Revolution, plus comments:

http://www.rural-revolution.com/2019/05/do-they-know-what-green-is.html

Now/whip crack! Back to organizing and identifying fringe politics!

Tono Bungay
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Tono Bungay

Most entertaining! Thanks I was intrigued by the part on taibi and his early influence on the alt right. I read somewhere that he played pro basketball in Uzbekistan. Our minor leagues are pros there, much like with baseball in Japan. I was in Sicily a while back and learned that Mussolini put a serious dent in the mafia and eradicated malaria by planting eucalyptus trees. What else does he need to do for them in order to be loved and not reviled? Shows that people’s thoughts are almost entirely formed by propaganda. Kevin Macdonald is speaking in the south?… Read more »

Yves Vannes
Member

Anything worthy of being called a civilization was founded and developed into a high cultural civilization around an ethnos, a throne and an altar. Initially it was made up of 3 estates: the king/warriors, the priests, and everyone else. As it evolved and became more and more complex it developed new vertical and horizontal hierarchies. This is the archeo, the structure. It doesn’t mean picking up where we left off 300 years ago, but it does outline the institutions that naturally developed, how they developed and the kinds of symbiotic relationships the differing estates operated under. The differing estates often… Read more »

John Hume
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John Hume

Faye is a really interesting thinker, although I do wish some of his writings were more fleshed out. Why We Fight is a prescient overview of the emerging right, but Sex and Deviance is a bit too scattershot and fits in better with the French postmodernist nonsense machine, to borrow from Roger Scruton. We really do need a Thomas Paine type who can de-esotericize the philosophy of the 21st century right. I can only read so much Faye or Moldbug before my brain turns to mush. Bowden sort of comes to mind but he’s dead and I’m not sure how… Read more »

Curt Doolittle
Guest

Hmmm. That’s confusing a system of measurement for legally testing speech claims with demand for ordinary people speaking in strict construction (measurements) So, no, that’s not a description of Propertarianism. Instead, P provides the ability to write strictly constructed law, constitutions in that law, and decide conflicts in court by that law. Then apply this to political, economic and financial claims in the commons. In simple terms it allows us to extend involuntary warranty for commercial claims to political claims. The artifice I had to explain to achieve this (the proof) is huge, but the underlying operational logic something about… Read more »

Vegetius
Guest
Vegetius

What’s the elevator pitch?

Member

It’s like a curveball but instead of breaking down toward the shins it breaks up toward the crazy.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Curt, I’d like to summarize what you claim to have accomplished. Correct me if I am mistaken. You believe that you have constructed a philosophical and legal system where untruths and parasitism can be objectively defined, demonstrated and criminalized. Therefore, you have said things like that a student should be able to sue a sociology professor for lying. Acts of philosophical untruth and parasitism can be demonstrated as clearly as, say, the proofs of De Morgan’s laws. Subjectivity in court concerning these issues has been eliminated at least in principle. Correct?

Member

I’m surprised Z isn’t more taken with Propertarianism, it being a typical American style technological fix. Of course it won’t fly, it’s way above the head of 99.9% of genpop. The rubes are only interested in the gibs and Propertarianism is apparently designed to defeat politicians attempting to auction off stolen goods at every election.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Propertarianism is just high IQ libertarianism and fails for the same raceblind reasons. What treachery would the toucans wreak with the penumbra and emanations within Propertarianism?

It’s sad how hard these smart guys will work to avoid facing up to race and toucans.

Doolittle’s philosophy is like the byzantine system of epicycles that astronomers constructed to avoid the conclusion that the earth revolves around the sun.

Yves Vannes
Member

He talks about those things obliquely: conflicts between groups that follow a different evolutionary strategy, different genetic groups etc.

My problem with P is that it attributes to man an exaggerated degree of individualism and places too high a value on individual exchange and too little on group dynamics.

Vegetius
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Vegetius

PineTreeGang finds your lack of attention to deep ecology disturbing.

kleist
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kleist

Too many foreigners.

Member

I could listen to you talk about National bolshevism all day because it cracks me up every time you say nasball

No (format?)
Guest
No (format?)

Whose version of tomorrow belongs to me was that?