Cynicism, Then Revolt

A popular line from libertarianism is that the state is violence. Another way of stating this is the state has a monopoly on violence. The implication is that the state imposes order, the order of those who control the state, with the threat of violence or through actual violence, in the case of law enforcement. It is a Hobbesian view of society, in which order is imposed, but an inaccurate one. Society, even authoritarian ones, rely on consent and a shared set of rituals and symbols to perpetuate consent.

Even the most authoritarian of societies, the prison, where the members have no control over their bodies, relies on consent and ritual to maintain order. The regularization of prison life, along with predictable symbols of authority, keep the prisoners from revolting against the guards. Without cooperation from the inmates, a prison would be ungovernable. The cost of housing and feeding humans in perpetual revolt against their captors would be prohibitive. A prison requires consent.

In a western liberal democracy, order tilts in the other direction, where the state relies more on ritual and symbol to encourage the consent of the governed. Elections are a big part of the ritual, where the people are made to believe their concerns are considered by the office holders. Every western nation has symbols and rituals to remind the voters that they live in a democracy. In America, patriotism is used to manipulate the people into supporting the system, despite their misgivings and distrust.

Order in America relies on the balance between the state’s monopoly of violence, the consent of the people and the maintenance of symbols and rituals that are the physical manifestation of the American creed. As long as the people trust and respect those symbols and rituals, they will support the current order. More precisely, as long as they believe those rituals, like elections and civic participation, support the American creed, they will respect the institutions of the state that maintain order.

Most likely, the process by which a liberal democracy moves from order to disorder, is like walking through a submarine. The people start in the compartment of high trust, but events lead them to leave that compartment and move to the next compartment called doubt or distrust. Once there, the door closes behind them. This is where the people begin losing faith in the office holders. The next compartment from there is cynicism, where the people have lost all trust in the system and the ruling class.

In this phase of social evolution in a liberal democracy, there is some remnant of consent and some tug of patriotism. The emotional connection between the citizens and the state is vestigial. It is a memory and a sadness at the onset of political cynicism, but then slowly builds to an anger at what has been lost. This is what Darren Beattie fears is right around the corner for America, if Trump’s agenda fails due the deliberate thwarting of the public will, by the people controlling the state.

It is safe to assume that the marginalized supporters who came out to vote for Trump will be forever divorced from the shared consent of the people. They will stop voting and stop thinking their future lies with democratic solutions. Just how many of Trump’s voters will fall into this state is hard to calculate. On the other hand, the coalition of the ascendant will be energized by this, so the general level of cynicism will be offset to some degree by enthusiasm from the coalition of the ascendant.

The truth never mentioned in the Beattie column, because it is forbidden, is populism is just code for white. What Trump represents is the white population, who think it is still possible to hold onto heritage America. If we just get immigration under control and fix some of the trade deals, things will slowly get back to normal. Oddly, this is the one thing the Left gets right about Trump. He does want to make America white again, if not demographically, certainly culturally and institutionally.

There is no question that many whites in America have moved from the compartment of distrust to the compartment of cynicism. Beattie is wrong to assume this process is not already underway. It started a long time ago as a trickle on the Right and now the pace is accelerating. This is evident in the growth and persistence of the dissident right, which has thrived despite the authoritarian tactics of the ruling class. Despite having more political prisoners than ever, we have more dissidents than ever too.

Still, Beattie is not wrong to assert that the failure of popular causes, like immigration controls, will push many more people into the cynicism compartment. The result will be an America where consent begins to fade and is replaced by coercion. White people will continue to follow the rules, not because they respect those rules, but because they fear reprisals from the state. The authority of the ruling class will no longer be based in their legitimacy to rule, but their control of the monopoly of violence.

In the trenches, soldiers will fight and die for their comrades, despite the rotten conditions their leaders create for them. In human society, the people will tolerate great deprivations in support of their neighbors. That social capital, upon which authority relies, will help maintain order, even when the rulers have failed in their duties. In a land where everyone’s neighbor is a stranger, there can be no foundation of social capital upon which to rest authority. The people must trust and respect their rulers.

That’s the next compartment after cynicism. When Trump’s agenda fails, as it sure will, white cynicism toward the system will grow. It will reach a point where the ruling class can only maintain order through coercion. They will live in fear of crisis, as the people will have no reason to sacrifice and no trust in the system to see them through the difficult times. The relationship between ruler and ruled will be like an old married couple hanging on until the kids are grown. The divorce is inevitable.

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“The implication is that the state imposes order,”

No, that’s not “the implication”

Libertarians have long promoted the spontaneous order which naturally arises in society, at least those in the West.,

You might read this piece, written in 1982, explaining what was then a long tradition .

https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/tradition-spontaneous-order

You’re getting sloppy.
Perhaps you are trying to do too much?

Exile
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Anarcho-libertarians would disagree but even us Randroids back in the day went with the stock libertarian line that the state has a monopoly on violence and government is a “necessary evil.” Libertarianism was a big crazy tent, but the mainstream were not anarchos.

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Who cares about libertarian theology?

Everyday Newt Berman
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It would be worth investing heavily in gigantic geodesic super dome technology just so we could build a giant dome in the Atacama Desert and send all the libertarians there, so we’d never have to hear their conversation-disrupting drivel ever again. Or maybe they can go live in a dome on the Moon; I’m told it is a harsh mistress, and Ayn Rand fans evidently have a thing for harsh mistresses.

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Bada bing. Everyday Newt Berman, I am in awe over your last sentence. One for the ages.

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The only drivel I hear in this forum, is from Z-man, who keeps bringing up Libertarians. Beginning to sound like Leftists seeing NAZI’s under every rock. If he cured his fixation, we’d hear nothing of such philosophy.

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And with that we know that “Compsci” cannot comprehend nor do science but is immeresed in his mental septic tank and speaking through a snorkel.

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StrangerInAStrangeLand

well said

Compsci
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Federalist, exactly. Z-man has decidedly allowed a fringe group to live rent free inside his head. The Libertarians reached their zenith a couple of decades ago and it’s been downhill since then. They are little more than a straw man for Z-man to knock around when he needs another hundred words in his essays.

Exile
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Given that a large number of us passed through that gateway on our way here, Z’s approach makes sense. The mystery is why so many here either white-knight these spergs or stifle criticism by indifference-trolling.

Compsci
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Exile, for me anyway, it’s the point of the negativity and diversion/distraction from a positive message and teaching point. In the present example, the entire mention of Libertarianism could have been excluded and the message not affected. That we continue to be lectured on the evils of “Libertarian” philosophy begins to make me a bit suspicious of the messenger. It is cultish in nature for a group to obsessively dwell on the evils and wrong thinking of other groups. Smacks of insecurity and a squashing of “wrong think”. As has been pointed out, Libertarian philosophy is not monolithic in nature.… Read more »

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Exile; Agree. It’s at least as important to understand why Libertarianism is wrong as it is to understand why Marxism is wrong. What’s needed right now is a (semi) coherent body of thought about why anybody should align against the feckless Cloud-Folk.* Interestingly, IMHO, both ideologies share a common delusion as to the nature of humankind. Both seem to assume that humans are inherently good but for the current institutional arrangements and, more arrogantly, that their programs can correct this situation. _______________________ * I know, I know, one ought not let the ideal be the enemy of the ‘good enough’.… Read more »

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The simple way to correct the whole thing is to understand that both libertarianism and socialism can be helpful critiques of society, but they cannot be actual models of society. They are a spoonful of cod liver oil, not the whole damn cod. Rock out to “2112” when you’re a 13-year-old, then move the hell on. Even Geddy Lee is far less grating on the ears than Ayn bloody Rand. It’s the same way that both Nietzsche and Freud can be read as very interesting criticism, but Nietzsche is not positive philosophy, and Freud is not actual science. It’s all… Read more »

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Postcard, interesting point. But should we mire down the explanation/creation of a dissident right philosophy with the fine points of how it is not Libertarianism, or Socialism, or Civnat, or whatever.

In other words, do we define ourselves by elaborating on what we are not, or do we concentrate on defining what we are. Fine points are necessary, but perhaps beyond the average normie one wishes to convert to the cause.

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Libertarian thought has noticeable influence on how the right sees American History. With the BOR having some distinct negative rights influences and libertarians acting like they invented the negative rights concept. However much cannot, and getting the right to understand the founders had a more well rounded philosophy than “negative rights= government” is an obstacle. Plus the founders didn’t see their government as something universal, but a workable framework for European descendants. Libertarians pretend the Constitution can work no matter the population demographics. Mostly because despite being smart enough to recognize racial differences they are too cowardly to admit them.… Read more »

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Compsci,
I was responding to the first comment where bilejones wanted us to read some libertarian scripture.

Zman’s post mentioned libertarianism in passing in discussing how the state maintains its power through more than just violence. The problem isn’t Zman, it’s the libertarians who rush to renounce the heretic.

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Noted. Not sure I or most others intended to “defend” Libertarianism or renounce a heretic. Indeed, I heard most people—including myself—state more or less that Libertarianism is a thing of the past, a dying philosophy, certainly not worth organizing a dissident rightest movement around. Some concepts may be worth taking note of, but as a framework to rework a new society, it is insufficient. Libertarianism *is* a good example however, of a philosophy that *could not withstand* the demographic changes we are now encountering. What worked in 1976 White American society often falls short in 2019 Vibrant American society.

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You ought to care. It’s the biggest hijack going of men who normally would be upholding civilization. It’s actually challenging to argue against until you see it as a self referential loop that is not less utopian than the dreams of the most wild eyed Marxist.

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Help me out here. What are some real world examples of spontaneous order naturally arises in a society for a prolonged period of time. I’m not talking about people getting together after a disaster, which does happen. I’m talking a situation where decade after decade a society exists with almost no government relying instead on spontaneous order when needed, i.e. to build a road or hospital or various infrastructure. Even the American West quickly saw the arrival of government for things like approval of railroad routes. What I’m asking is when has there ever been a functioning libertarian society, especially… Read more »

Compsci
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Correct. So why bring it up? There are no die hard Libertarians here. We’ve moved on. See what I mean? We are arguing fine points about a philosophy we no longer believe in and is arguably in decline, rather than a discussion about the meaning and intent of 90% of what Z-man has astutely observed and wrote down for today’s lesson!

Outis
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Look to the animal world. For great examples of group dynamics.

Prides of Lions

Packs of Wolves

The fission–fusion society of chimps…

LineInTheSand
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bilejones, I haven’t read the article you cite, which may be quite good. However, even assuming that spontaneous order does arise, doesn’t the character of that order depend greatly on the actual people being spontaneous? I don’t want to experience the “spontaneous order” of a black or brown society.

You do include the “at least those in the West” qualifier. Doesn’t the need for this qualifier demonstrate that WN should be your highest political goal and that libertarianism should an issue to be debated after the establishment of an ethnostate?

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Yes it does.

Steve
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The essay you cite does not help your case. It’s a mess of different viewpoints, many incompatible or even contradictory. Tucker, Spencer, Menger, Molinari and the Scholastics simply do not belong in the same essay.

That said, the second paragraph is pure bunk. It requires not consent, but compliance. If a woman spreads her legs because she thinks her rapist will let her live if she does is not consenting, merely complying.

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Range Front Fault

Wow…..big difference between the words consenting and complying! Good catch.

Rona
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Rona

Excellent point. The prisoners only comply because if they cause a riot they will probably be killed. Consent my ass.

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Libertarians are well intended morons which I can deal with . I’ve read the big boys and heck grew up on Robert Ringer and L. Neil Stephenson Its a stupid ideology that is unrealistic but everyone needs a hobby right? Its when they try to hijack the Dissident Right which in an authoritarian Right movement by the way, then I get pissed off. Libertarians are things of the Left, basically just Democrats with unlimited corporate tyranny In any case there is no such thing as spontaneous order in any human society anywhere of any race other than maybe immediate family… Read more »

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bilejones and friends. You suffer under a delusion about human nature. Not only that, but you are historically ignorant. Those on the secular side call it evolution and the survival of the fittest. Christians call it the fallen human nature of man. That is why societies without a strong central figure OR shared ideology are incredibly violent and corrupt. Unbridled human nature does not result in the spontaneous generation of peaceful, prosperous, ordered societies.

Gerard Van der Leun
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Ah yes, the appropriately handled “Bile Jones” reminds us that the libertarian is always at your knees or nuzzling your crotch like some ill-witted doggie.

Gene Kronberg
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Right. Three wolves and two sheep meet and form a spontaneous order.

Exile
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Exile

“They will stop voting and stop thinking their future lies with democratic solutions.” Me since 2018. I gave Trump and his neo-con clown car more than a year to begin credibly implementing his “the first day I am President…” promises. I understood there’s a gap between campaign rhetoric and governing with a “resistance.” But he kept hiring too many “resisters” and “nevers” for me to continue believing this was anything but another Con, Inc. grift to MIGA. I largely checked out when John Bolton’s cuck-stache reappeared in the West Wing. I cared more about immigration than foreign policy, but Bolton… Read more »

MBlanc46
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A con, perhaps coupled with a considerable lack of ability to do what he said he’d do.

Exile
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Exile

There’s a reasonable argument that Trump has simply been coerced into cucking, or that he’s feckless. That said, all the more reason to place no trust in the system, to consider the Empire our enemy and to work to separate ourselves from its clutches.

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That said, all the more reason to place no trust in the system, to consider the Empire our enemy and to work to separate ourselves from its clutches…
The only way to do that fully is to become more powerful than them or spend your life hiding from them which let’s them become more powerful to the point there will be no place to hide anymore…

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Range Front Fault

Roger that.

Gerard Van der Leun
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And it is yet another DODO who believes Trump has a magic wand and if he doesn’t wave it to bring a better world into being by saying “Bippity Bobbity Boo” he just is not worthy of Mel Blanc’s adulation. As far as his “ability” I’d point out that he has billions, is president of the USA, and sleeps with a supermodel while having a private jet whose bumper sticker reads, “My Other Plane Is Air-Force One.” I’d say he’s pretty much run the table so far.

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Could not agree more, sir. This spot we find ourselves in was generations in the making, and that system does have real power to defend itself. The idea that any one man would remedy all its ills overnight was always naive to put it kindly. I don’t think we’ve seen the full cadre of forces arrayed against him even yet.

Trump may not be “one of us” (however you define it), but he’s a clear step in the right direction.

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I’m not asserting you are wrong, but that you might not be right. We real American are in possession of NONE of the control nodes of our own civilization, and half of Pres. Trump’s support comes from weak people who will abandon him to defeat and destruction if the marxist-globalists can paint him as a racist/bigot convincingly enough to preference-cascade their social approval networks. He HAS to kiss all these asses: some of (and especially) the Jewish factions, the gays, and the various diversities to prevent this. There isn’t a goyim on this planet who can play Jewish factions off… Read more »

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I’ve seen plenty of signs that Trump is learning on the job, as any President must do. He has become much savvier in who gets key jobs in his administration. Sessions–>Barr, Tillerson->Pompeo. Great choices so far for SCOTUS, and reportedly good choices for most lower court nominees as well. No grave GWB SCOTUS nominee mistakes like Roberts.

We must also remember that no President in our lifetimes, and likely EVER has faced an organized resistance that includes members of the “GOP”.

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I fear he’s another example of “Tell both sides whatever they want to hear, because we still own both parties.”

Trump voters heard our wish list, and Hillary voters heard theirs.

Ivanka and Chelsea were both assured a future, especially since both are having Tribal children.

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You’re seeing the breakdown in the sputtering efforts to get a new war started. Back in 2003 heritage America still believed in the institutions (foolishly, I might add), and that we were a righteous nation united in freedumb or some such nonsense. Trump has opened his regime doors to every discredited Republican hack and even the shrinking White majority is having second thoughts about the “shining city on the hill.”

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I wish I could upvote this comment one-hundred more times. There just aren’t enough NASCAR Dads to go around this time and the Boomer -Cucks are all pushing seventy if they haven’t already reached that milestone . Maybe in another ten years the last of the exurban flyover country Conserva-Dads will finally realize it’s not 1990 anymore.

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The system will rot and decay. The ruling class, unable to solve the problems or unify the mess they have created will simply default to cynically exercising power and privilege. Their sepoys will rape and loot the civilisation extracting wealth and humiliation from the former majority with the blessing of the overclass. White America will become increasingly alienated, increasingly aware of its new position as dalits in the secular hinduism we call Intersectionality. This is the breaking point..the point at which whites no longer think of the government as US but as THEY. A group of aspiring elites or perhaps… Read more »

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That’s the usual process for “circulating the elites” when the present cabal tries to hang on too long. I thought Trump was that “class traitor” but he was either unwilling or unable to fill those shoes. We seething dispossessed are still waiting for our revolutionary leaders. Soft secession via “voting with our feet” and cafeteria Federalism where we pick and choose which Empire policies we will follow is probably the best short-mid term option. States and cities legalizing drugs & illegal immigration are showing it’s possible.

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Trumps problem is that he is only one person. What is needed is a strong faction of the elite willing to mobilise, finance and organise. I’m betting this faction will emerge from the democrats, and i have a suspicion its vanguard will be a mix of frustrated east asians and non-conforming alt-black types.

Exile
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I’m skeptical on blacks, but “alt-Left” Whites, EA’s & Hispanics (who Z has rightly noted are strangely absent from the Ascendant corridors of power despite numbers) are a good bet.

Compsci
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Exile, That was generally my thought in reading Z-man’s essay. Remove oneself from the system as best as possible and let it try to function without us. However, I hesitated because that concept was stated a long time ago by that hated (Libertarianish?) Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged.

Exile
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Exile

“Going Galt” was one of her best ideas. We’re pushing the basic concept, but our world has room for Eddie Willers as well as Hank Rearden.

Lineman
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We have to make our own system because this one isn’t working anymore is what I got and have got from reading these past years…That’s the only way Galt works otherwise your just hiding out to be eaten last when they get around to you…We have to be offering system that is better for our people that’s the bottom line and the sooner people wake up to that fact the sooner we can win…

Dirtnapninja
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Dirtnapninja

You cant escape it. Retreatism hasn worked, wont work. They wont let you retreat and wont leave you alone.

Chris_Lutz
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Trump seems to really believe in America and has the old style thinking that goes with it. He’s been mediocre in a lot of areas and could have done better. However, he’s faced a soft coup attempt, district judges making national rulings, a lack of any significant part of the establishment rallying to his side, and a Congress that doesn’t support any of what he campaigned on.

Had Trump done everything he promised, it would only have delayed the inevitable. Instead, the resistance he’s faced has only pushed things along.

MBlanc46
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Excellent analysis. Memory and sadness building to anger. That describes my psychological evolution exactly. Divorce is inevitable.

Lineman
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No it’s not divorce that’s inevitable it’s annihilation for our side or theirs…What are you prepared to do about it is the only question you have to answer…

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Spot on. Divorce is not possible. Empires never willingly give up power or territory, let alone admit that they are wrong. Nor is living with the empire feasible for whites any longer as it intends to kill and replace us. In fact they make that quite clear in their propaganda organs like the NYT

You don’t reason with a cancer that’s killing you, you excise it.

Chris_Lutz
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Really, tell that to the old Soviet Union. Sometimes the powers that be simply collapse.

Lineman
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Lineman

Ahh the US had quite a bit to do with that did it not?

Compsci
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Compsci

I’m certain Russia and China will reciprocate in a like manner when the time comes. 🙁

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It seems that many people are under the illusion that they can live in a white (orderly and prosperous) society while at the same time banishing all the white people. Good luck with that. “Populists” understand it, consciously or subconsciously. In speaking to a church congregational counselor/coach recently, she said that the poison in a congregation is never a person, but it is something else that needs to be identified. In that spirit, IMHO our cultural poison is that the people are being taught to banish all the white people and grab all their physical and cultural stuff. The elites… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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Beattie’s article gets the rise in cynicism right but inverts the reasons why. He essentially argues that the steak of nationalism was the subject but the sizzle of Trump’s populist style was what closed the sale. Maybe for some. But for most of his voters he got their votes in spite of his style and because of the substance of his implied white nationalism. Beattie argues that you need to deliver some actual concrete promised accomplishments, but it’s the populist salesmanship that matters more than what’s being sold…Populism used correctly can eclipse nationalism and replace it with something more…kosher. Then… Read more »

Exile
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AIPAC & its adjacent orgs have a role in the immigration debate – to push open borders for every other country but Israel, especially America. Even Con, Inc. Jews like Prager & Shapiro live in fear that White Christians are going to put them in camps. If Beattie believes AIPAC would ever support immigration restriction outside Israel, he’s high on his own supply.

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Jews like Shapiro and Prager probably check on the Dissident Right podcasts and sites like AmRen, and observe that “anti-Semites” aren’t just a few goofballs dressed as Nazis anymore. They see that it’s coming from serious, educated thinkers with platforms to spread the word. If you’re a Jew with fairly recent images of bulldozers dumping hundreds of naked emaciated kinfolk in a ditch, you’re not going to be OK with just letting the D-Right do their thing. You’re going to think if guys like Enoch get any sort of foothold, it’s gonna lead to the bulldozers again. This isn’t just… Read more »

Exile
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75 years ago isn’t recent. As David Cole points out, this nuclear Reaction is entirely within Jews’ power to contain. If you don’t want Chernobyl, turn the control knobs down from 11.

AmRen isn’t remotely involved with the JQ, btw. Taylor studiously avoids that rail.

Exile
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75 years ago isn’t “recent.”

Cole’s right – Jews can contain this nuclear Reaction. If you don’t want Chernobyl, turn the control knobs down from 11.

AmRen doesn’t touch the JQ, btw. Taylor’s policy.

Yves Vannes
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“AmRen doesn’t touch the JQ, btw. Taylor’s policy.”

Kevin Macdonald ever spoken at AmRen?

Did everyone enjoy Mr. Taylor’s presentation at SCANZA this year?

That’s what a polite disengagement from the JQ earns any dissent today.

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Frip, I admit there are a small number of Dissident Right J3ws who will support immigration restriction. However, the effort to identify such j3ws would be enormous and many of their offspring would revert back to the mean of cultural subversion. J3ws are the most ethnocentric people. Is it worth the effort?

I wonder if you are feeling bad about judging people about qualities that they did not choose. However, only white people feel bad about such judgments.

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Per a very prescient comment made in the last few days, too many people, especially upper-middle class white women, are much more interested in earning an “A” social grade than actually looking at things as they are. Hence the generational reversion to the pozzed mean. Only something like radical Islam has had the pure coercive strength to substitute their own report card for the prevailing one, and that leads to ‘sploding peeps. And the Chinese Communist leadership has picked up on this tendency, in order to institute their social grading system. Talk about an elite correctly reading the weaknesses of… Read more »

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Exile, true AmRen was bad example, I was just typing fast. “75 years ago isn’t recent.” It’s all relative. But 1945, compared to say, The Inquisition, or total history, is recent enough. Especially so, since anything on film (which is the same as watching TV since that’s how we see the footage) psychologically puts an event in the modern-contemporary-now category. So if you’re a Jew the Holocaust is recent. (I’m not denying they’ve weaponized it.) LineIn, I don’t disagree with what you said. I was just saying that hostility from the D-Right toward Jews, justified or not, can’t help but… Read more »

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“I don’t think the D-Right should modify its views. Just saying that we can’t really mock the Jews anymore for always thinking the Cossacks are on their trail. … We aren’t literally calling on them to be killed. But to a Jew we come well close enough!” No, we aren’t calling for a hollow-cost. Many of us just don’t want our country’s media, politicians, educational institutions, and economy to be dominated by a tribal subculture that undermines our values. If opposing them politically makes Jews fear pogroms and cattle cars, then they are paranoid in a literal psychiatric sense. You… Read more »

Rod1963
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Jews brought this on themselves by subverting their host nations to self-destruct via cultural destruction and demographic replacement.

It’s hard not to notice Jews at the forefront of all of these movements.

And they can just as easily throttle back on their group hatred of whites so there is no worry. But they won’t so the animosity keeps building. They really are their own worst enemies.

NITZAKHON
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With one minor tweak, I’ll agree with you… “LIBERAL Jews are their own worst enemies”.

I’ve tangled with enough of them.

http://redpilljew.blogspot.com/2018/04/an-open-letter-to-my-fellow-american.html

NITZAKHON
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And Jews like me do NOT want open borders in the US, want to see the complaining minorities repatriated to their genetic homelands, and hate Barbara Spectre.

http://redpilljew.blogspot.com/2018/05/g-d-damn-you-barbara-spectre.html

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Citizen of a Silly Country

Yeah, I remember about five years ago or so (maybe more), it hit me like a ton of bricks: I want a divorce from these people. I was tired of arguing with lefties and CivNats. We were simply different people with completely different views on the the world. We couldn’t compromise because there was no middle ground. We hated each other but were living under the same roof. It was best for all if we just went our separate ways – whatever the costs. Once you reach that point, it’s impossible to go back. Every argument just re-enforces what you… Read more »

Dutch
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Citizen, I agree. On top of everything else, we have been prohibited, by threat of banishment or arrest, from even being allowed to articulate our arguments and preferences in public.

DLS
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I agree, but they will not let us go without another all out civil war. And this time, the dissidents are not neatly organized by state.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Agree. We cannot come to terms with either group. Nor will they leave us alone. They are intent on ramming their ideology down our throats at the point of a gun and then disposing of us later.

F**k them. They are making a civil war inevitable.

NITZAKHON
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I had an interview down in TX a few years ago. Loved the town. Would have moved in a cold second but the wife put so many conditions on it – not feasible. 🙁

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It is virtually impossible to limit the State as long as we enable the myth of egalitarian diversity. We are not the same we are not equal they are not like us. When we as a people allow the State to go beyond its enumerated powers legitimate purpose becomes a moving goalpost. The Federal Government in example operates outside its constitutional authority infinitum. Leftists are parasitic ticks that should never be permitted to attach themselves to anything, especially the State. Making America White Again is a good start. Keeping America Free from leftist ideologies will be easier when we become… Read more »

Compsci
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JMDGT, those that contribute to the State should have a say in State affairs—perhaps even in proportion to their contribution. That’s the basic concept of earned suffrage from another subversive we sometimes bash, Heinlein. I admit, I have no idea how to revert to such once lost, but such was the Founders’ intent. If earned suffrage was in effect, I suspect a lot of the evils of the voting public would go away. Making America White is just a proxy for producing a better class of decision makers at the ballot box. But it may not work there either given… Read more »

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One of the biggest battles I see ahead for those of us on the dissident right is the State and its relationship to the people. Being white has always meant more than being Caucasian. As appealing as the ethnostate is I’m not sure it would solve the majority of issues we face culturally. There are plenty of left thinking progressive White/Caucasian idiots out there and they should have no say in affairs of the State regardless of contribution. A cultural of like minded intelligent realists regardless of their actual race may be the better ideal. Doing away with government schools… Read more »

Sean Detente
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What you’re basically proposing is a return to the classic Cold War standard of capitalist is versus commies. What schlock. MAWA is indeed the most important, if utopian, goal and there I agree, but capitalism is a piss-poor avenue to achieve your ethnostate.

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If not capitalism what do you suggest Mr. Detente?

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Edit: I meant to reply to bilejones at http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=17621#comment-103217

Da Booby
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Interesting. Though it may it be a bit of a stretch to say “populist” is code for white, though in some cases it doubtless is, but it’s not just about white: rather, white, male, and working class. But a lot of white collar whites gravitated to Trump, too, but these aren’t the kinds of white people the elites are trying to portray as populists. And remember, the percentage of Hispanics voting Republican actually increased with Trump as the candidate. It seems there’s a notable number of Hispanics who have had just about enough of illegal immigration, too. The difference is… Read more »

3g4me
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I wouldn’t care if every last one of the millions of magic papers/magic dirt Mexicans, Guatemalans, El Salvadorans, or Nicaraguans voted for Trump – they are still not my people and their interests are not my interests. Their “conservative values” consist of ever-increasing government and handouts, and their “limit” on immigration is after every last personal friend or relative is on my side of the border.

This cucking for imaginary based browns, blacks, and yellows is getting tiresome.t

Dutch
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Being white is a frame of mind as well as a skin color. We whites have historically completely overestimated the capacity for non-whites to adopt the white frame of mind. Tribal and cultural preferences, over time, win out almost every time. “Making the world safe for democracy” is a good shorthand for all of this delusional thinking.

A.B Prosper
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White isn’t one race or culture and projecting modern Protestant values on the whole of our peoples or history is also absurd White is an ethnic group made up of various of European derived peoples, not more not less These groups are well extremely diverse and assuming say a Russian (technically Eurasian I know) would like the same systems and respond the same way to certain social pressures as say an Italian is ridiculous In the end for our people to survive and prosper we have to stop making economic and political systems our focus and concentrate on land for… Read more »

JR Wirth
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“The authority of the ruling class will no longer be based in their legitimacy to rule, but their control of the monopoly of violence.”— Democracy is more about brandishing perceived power than actual state assertion of power. Democracy is about picking random people out of thousands for prosecution, it’s not very good at corralling thousands of people during uprisings. The reaction of democracies to uprisings is generally half-assed, with appeals to calm, as politicians fear some Kent State like incident, with special committees and blowback. Hence the emergency button called “martial law” where an instant dictatorship would be formed. I… Read more »

Rogeru
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I’ve been hearing about martial law since I read patriotard sites back in ’08. I cannot figure out how the US government is going to effectively control 3.8 million square miles and 350 million people with a few million men. I don’t think martial law is possible outside of cities. The most they could do is monitor online activities and kick in the occasional door.

Sean Detente
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If you’ve been reading patriotard sites since ‘08, you’ve also been simultaneously neglecting all the vast array of military history since well before your and I were born. God knows occupying armies rarely have complete control of all the country side they technically occupy, hence the immense discussions on insurgencies, counterinsurgencies, and general rebellion.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

It grows harder by the day to control a society that is do decrepit that typhus and bubonic plague are now concerns when a few years before they were not. One idiot from Africa with Ebola could create a panic condition in the cities and while vaccinated troops could be used to maintain order, if they are willing, good luck keeping the supply chains open for long The US is both amazingly robust and incredibly fragile which should scare any sane person Also note the Right is really poor at organizing and as such could be suppressed pretty easily. On… Read more »

Drake
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Marital law, particularly imposed by Dem leadership, would be a Godsend. No way would most of our military go along with it, no way would it work outside the big cities. It would be a the defining moment of our divorce.

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What’s interesting about the libertarian thing is that Trump is a particularly Randian character on the world stage, at least rhetorically. He makes the case that the U.S. has the right to act in the best interests of the citizens of the country. Now libertarians may argue about whether particular Trump policies improve welfare or not, but at some gut level they should love Trump for asserting our right not to sacrifice our interests to some poorly defined global collective. And that is what this whole populist thing is all about — the elite’s refusal to act in the country’s… Read more »

JR Wirth
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On a personal level (how he lives his life) Trump is the most libertarian man in human history, Caligula being a close runner up. Every waking minute is about pursuing maximum sensory pleasure for himself. Things like “duty” and “responsibility” don’t concern him. Your woman starts aging? Get a new woman. You owe a sub-contractor a million? Let him go to court and settle for 300k. His greatest strength is having zero baggage. Jeb Bush had the baggage of legacy and desperate approval from the power elite. The dark side of this is that it also means Trump has zero… Read more »

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For all of his faults, is there another U.S. politician who would have taken a public dump all over the completely bogus Paris Agreement like Trump did? That was a meaningful gesture of defiance. “No, we’re not going to sacrifice ourselves to the climate gods. That’s insane.”

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

It brought him sensory pleasure in doing so. He’s very epicurean.

Compsci
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JR, zero loyalty to political goals, and yet, Trump has not let up in the face of strong criticism of/reaction to those same goals? What could have been easier for him than to complete a phony “deal” with China, call it victory, and move on. Hell, everyone else before him has. What could have been easier than to avoid the IA fiasco and deal with Dem’s on an overall immigration plan? Call it victory and move on. Even the JQ folks get so agitated upon—like when he moved the embassy to Jerusalem. He could have postponed and moved on. I’m… Read more »

JR Wirth
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Not at all. Everything he does and says is calibrated to sooth his base while selling them out. The Jerusalem thing was to keep the Southern Baptist Convention locked down. It doesn’t put him out to take up a cause or action because he doesn’t really believe in any cause or action other than power and pleasure for himself. And part of his enjoyment is watching huge swaths of people go nuts when he does something. He gets off on it. I actually like that about him. Even though so little has been accomplished.

Compsci
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Really, name one thing wrt to IA’s and the Southern border that he could have done, but has not. That seems to be number one issue in constituent polling. You claim he’s selling out his voting base, how in the above respect?

Dutch
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Trump is the ultimate “don’t give a shit” attitude kind of guy, which makes it totally difficult for his adversaries. AG Barr is another one, and is happy to come right out and say it. Trump does give a shit, because he actually answers only to himself. He will not cut a phony deal with China because he will not allow himself to accept that. What the rest of us might think about it is a very, very distant second place. Kim Jong Un understands Trump’s need to answer to himself. Un’s execution of the people who were negotiating with… Read more »

Andy Texan
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Merde.

pyrrhus
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pyrrhus

People will indeed “tolerate great deprivations in support of their neighbors.” But what will happen when the white/north asian enclaves are destroyed by the dumping of 3d world immigrants in those neighborhoods?…Neither I nor my liberal wife are willing to suffer serious deprivations for the benefit of Somalians….What happens when the only livable enclaves are occupied by the ultra wealthy and powerful? The social glue will disappear, across the board….

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

I already live there. It’s called California. We pay a dear price every day to live in the right municipality. Any poor white person would be insane to stay here. It’s not a place to be unless you can run hard on the treadmill.

Lineman
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Lineman

It’s not a place to be unless you can run hard on the treadmill…
It’s not even the place to be if you can Brother…Do whatever it takes to vacate that place…

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

I’m retiring in Montana, several years to go. Has to be west of the continental divide though. Possibly North Idaho with every other Californian. I need cool nights in the Summer. Even the 60s at night is too hot.

Lineman
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Lineman

Come check out where I’m at in the Bitterroot Valley and see if it’s a good fit for you…

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Speed it up, brother. Be careful of the California flood to Boise and spilling over up into the panhandle. Also, lefty enviro mountain biking bouldering types have taken over Moab Utah, growing in number in St. Geoge and spilling all over. Many small western towns taken over by new action lefty back to the land-ers, bakery owners, Michael Pollen types from Berkeley/Orinda hills with money, and they bring their ferocious politics with them, i.e. Ashland and Medford, Oregon gone down the hole.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

I live and work with those people every day. I even sold my carbon fiber bike because I said “wow, I must look like such an asshole on this thing.” I know those people so well. They have a magic ability to make any place they reside insanely expensive…and full of Nepalese cuisine…because Nepalese sounds better than Calcutta slum.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Choosing to live in the west in a mostly Mormon culture (parts of parts of Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Northern Nevada) has it’s benefits. My subdivision of 1/2 acre to 2 acre plots does not have trash all around, no one dumping their crapped up old car on the roadside, no fights and mayhem in the street (Ha!–except my Mormon neighbors from California..they were lefty dysfunctional Californians first, Mormons second–keep that in mind. The crapped up grandfather grew too old to be threatfully stupid and his crappy grandson moved away.) Stupid Mormon politics, however. Stay clear of the Salt Lake corridor.… Read more »

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

JR…your adrenals will crash…your head will explode. Try working in downtown Oakland to wake you up. For God’s sake, man, start making your plans, make an options list, and get out. I jettisoned over 100 years of my people in California, and every single day I look at my new world and am grateful. Not perfect but will do for now. No Whole Foods, no Ranch 99, no fresh caught crab, no Vietnamese pho. Big deal…So what.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

I hate all of those things. Ranch 99 is the most overrated. I can make my own Pho, which is mostly just a gallon of beef broth. Yep, same here, over 100 years. Prop 187 was the last stand.

Rod1963
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Same here but there is no way I could afford a nice zip code so I live among the Mexers. Luckily they forced out the stone age rage apes so the quality of life is a bit better. The Mexers think I’m into illegal gambling because of fighting roosters I keep as pets and it helps that I look Central Asian/Slavic and tans real easy. I’ll probably move in a year of so. But I’m not a millionaire and cannot afford to live in a white community so it limits my choices to shit holes. I’d still be stuck living… Read more »

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Rod…waiting to afford a “nice” zipcode….well, you could be waiting for Godot. My town is filling with plygs, lefties from Vegas and Calif. More druggies…more illegals South of the Borders. Wasn’t that way shortly after ’08. Not yet Calif. Still small-medium towns east of the Wasatch Range and Hurricane Cliffs lower cost of living and buying property. Just dink around on internet and compare COL and housing. Raise the blinkers…..where there’s a will there’s a way, and all that. I never thought I could do it…..and I did.
Every day…..surrounded by beauty and living in gratitude for me.
Best regards….

Al from da Nort
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Al from da Nort

pyr;
Or, maybe we become Brazil. Of course, the US hemispheric imperium is the historical reason why Brazil is allowed to remain Brazil (it’s always the country of the future and it always will be).

IOW, we’d end up being conquered and overrun by a country with more social cohesion than Latin America, quite likely at the invitation of some faction or other. The Cloud demonstrates its stupidity by attempting to overrun us with low capability invaders. No wonder they’re terrified by Russia 😉

Lineman
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Lineman

@Pyrrhus
The social glue is already disappearing which means if you’re in a place that will go sideways without it then you better be vacating that place as soon as possible…

Dutch
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I am staying put in California. I intend to live among the enemy, like some of the Free French did in Vichy France. Because that’s what California will be, a turncoat, marginally functioning Vichy America. It is going to be interesting around here. This is my home, it is what I know. YOLO anyway, and I am largely done. Some things can be done from other vantage points, but you need some people imbedded in enemy territory as well. So I have made preps. I figure I will be outed fairly quickly, but you would be amazed how many of… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Once a critical mass decides to vote with their feet, I’ll be the guy telling young Californians to “go White, young man.” Then draw rear-guard fire to throw the SJW’s off their trail.

I want to see the attack CHiP’s on fire off the shoulder of the 110, bright as road flares…

Lineman
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@Exile
You probably won’t get your wish to see CHiPs on fire because they will have left with the mass exodus…

Lineman
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Oh I know there is a lot of us around there even in the Commie strongholds…I’ve worked with a lot of them and they control the infrastructure…Always good to have options though and not lock yourself in to a kill box…

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Alright, hon, but keep in mind what Lineman and I advocate. I understand up to a point your plans;however, you may change under fire and you don’t know that you may, so…as backup options..make that escape to Avalon list just for ducks….you may never use it…and then you might. Penny wise-pound foolish cultural thinking could bite you.

Dutch
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Dutch

Yup, lots of plan b and plan c around here. Places to go, lots of ways to get there, multiple vehicles, the fuel tanks always topped up. A couple of hours from the big city, nothing but unspoiled mountains in the distance in every direction, here on my hilltop it is brush clearing season, cut for a couple of hours at a time, then take a break and visit the Z. Lots of good, similarly situated neighbors. Horse and Jeep country, with a few old airplanes thrown in here and there. Seriously, I am hiding in plain sight and enjoying… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

I’m out that way every so often just need an address and I will swing by…What kind of whiskey do you favor?

Dutch
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Dutch

We meet at the 79 and 371 intersection, Riverside County, out the Temecula to Warner Springs stretch. It’s a bit of a ways from there, but there are locked gates and occasional patrols and such along the way (not as intense as it sounds, but people around here have certain expectations of others). My tastes are expensive, but Jack will do ‘er nicely. Give me a week or so lead time, I live multiple places and am always up to various things, so would need to clear the calendar.

Lineman
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Lineman

Will do Brother…

Dutch
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Dutch

Shoot me off-line contact info to vcuzner(at)aol(dot)com. Throw an odd word in there. Then come back here and post the word; the first e-mail I get with that word in it is you.

Lineman
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Lineman

Transmission…

Lineman
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Lineman

Haven’t received anything back yet Brother…

Dutch
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Dutch

Sent something out about an hour ago. Let me know if you didn’t get it. If you did, you know how to reach me directly.

Lineman
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Lineman

✔️

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Am taking note.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Thanks…wishing you the best….and will keep your invite in mind. However, visiting CA is as far down my list as a heart attack. Each time I visit the family, either something really ugly happens to me, or I see really weird crazy dangerous people who look like they stepped aside and something wretched stepped in. And car with Utah plates…well, had a problem one time with just that. More and more ask basic daughter to meet me in Reno so I can avoid CA. The invite holds true for you to visit back here in Central Utah. (Enticement: 2 hours… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Don’t blame you, it is crazy out here. But the good people lay low. They don’t trust outsiders at all, and you’ve got to be brought in the door by locals, or you are on your own (which fits exactly with what Lineman talks about). The level of trust is pretty low, and I am always reminded of how “Mad Max” driving can be around here, when I get out to other states. I worked a good part of my life figuring out how to make it work for me out here, using a lot of local knowledge. I think… Read more »

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Good for you! Made it work for you. Appreciate your description. I get it. You’re 1 in a million.

Lineman
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Lineman

I love Cedar City and have stayed there quite a bit…Love their pawn shops they have really good deals…

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Good guess. Make me laugh! Have missed the pawn shop. Missing part of a girl gene as my husband is better at bargain shopping than me. Not part of my makeup. Make a list and go is my motto. Have stopped for the time being attending the Shakespeare festival as have gone all, what’s the right word, POZ don’t wish to see Othello played by a gay Asian tranny guy with a lisp, or some big butchie woman. The Festival has gone all Ashland. Too many festivals, SUU and art museums/artists have changed to cultural left. Locally, the herds of… Read more »

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Please don’t tell me the Utah Shakespeare Festival has given into the POZ. I haven’t been in a few years but was strongly looking at going this Summer.

I saw Othello there in the 2000’s and it was true to Shakespeare’s original vision, not Shlomo’s.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

The Shakespeare festival is now over the top virtue signaling PC Shlomo….the festival is down the rat hole. Last year they Me Too’d groveling. Also, often the setting has nothing to do with how the Bard wrote…like Hamlet in an old west setting, and goofy edgy costumes. All gone. Occasionally they keep to tradition, but you’d better read up on the production or you may get a nasty surprise.

Lineman
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Lineman

I bet you would enjoy Panguitch where my buddy lives…

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

The drive between Panguitch Lake and the Town of Panguitch is one of the prettiest I’ve taken, anywhere.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

The antelope are up from Panguitch Lake fairly often along Mammoth Creek road. Here and there, and herds on great basin flats west of town.My world is beautiful, and stunning changes from 5,000 to 10,000 feet.

Yves Vannes
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All of the jokes about California being too pozzed to save aside, it’s tragic what we’ve lost. From the post war period to the late 80s it was whitetopia. All of the great beach towns, bohemian art colonies, beautiful winding country roads through the hilly interior, great cities that were clean, fairly safe and vibrant in the pleasurable sense of that word. National Parks, amusement parks, attractions of all kinds with appeal to all kinds of people. Opportunity at every turn, affordable, friendly and open (most people were from elsewhere so most were more open and friendly in a sincere… Read more »

Balliol
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Balliol

Petain did nothing wrong. The Germans did not colonize France with Arabs and infact removed the levantine population. Dday was a mortal error.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

“It is safe to assume that the marginalized supporters who came out to vote for Trump will be forever divorced from the shared consent of the people. They will stop voting and stop thinking their future lies with democratic solutions.”

This is me. I think the final straw was seeing Trump go full NeoCon after a minor setback in 2018.

I’ll be honest, I don’t have a clue what comes next. But this nonsense needs to be over. I see no reason to participate in electoral democracy other than to metaphorically “crash the plane with no survivors.”

A Postcard from the Volcano
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Back in the 1860s, Walt Whitman wrote the great line “I hear America singing, the varied carols I hear.” Many of us at this site had to learn that poem in grade school, and we all knew implicitly what Whitman meant, and we all had the same idea as this long-dead extremely gay man had had about what “America” meant. That country is gone. What we have now is a giant cookie jar, and the word is out on the street to every grifter and swindler on the planet that it’s OK to come here, grub around in the cookie… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

The big question is can that be done without violence…I can answer that for you and the answer is (drumroll please) no it can’t…So all your efforts should be in to making sure you win…

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

If you play the Game of Thrones, you win or you die.

That said the main goal needs to be Pre 65 Demography and no Cultural Marxism, everything else in unimportant.

Lineman
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Lineman

I concur…

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Lineman….I just woke up to an ugly truth, and feel foolish..not stupid ..just foolish.wandering in the land of fluffy bunnies and unicorn… and not getting this. Am reading book by Charles Adams “When in the Course of Human Events-Arguing the Case for Southern Secession.” “Like all Northerners, I was force-fed Lincoln adoration from early school days on into university history courses.” I had no idea what suspension of Writ of Habeas Corpus meant, Lincoln just took power, convened congress 3 months after calling up the troops and rolling out with war. Politically correct…we ain’t seen nothing yet! He shut down… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

My point of view could only be discussed face to face because it would need facial expressions and hand gestures to fully get my point across…On Lincoln I agree he was a tyrant and I would tell you to look at his history to know why he was the way he was…Look at all the times he failed at doing something which means that he could only do things through force otherwise he would fail again and the government gave him that ability to do that…

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Damn….the Italian salute! Lineman and E…..what I needed to hear. Very good arguments. Brain stretched and got it. Will look up more on Lincoln.
Sigh….no way around the blood fight and the fires of war. I was thinking like a chick….thanks….on the other hand, how else can I think!
On overload. Done with the world. Outside to see clouds and antelope.

Member

Assume for the moment that we carve out that white ethnostate somewhere in North America. It would get complicated in a hurry, specifically with regard to foreign policy. Which nations would be friendly to us? Which nations openly hostile? Would we have access to ports? Without access to the ocean, our ethnostate could not survive. And it would need a very powerful military to intimidate any would-be invader. At some point, war would come as a result of any number of factors. Whites would realize that the “other” would never leave them alone. We would have to conquer in order… Read more »

3g4me
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3g4me

Epaminondas – I’ve recommended them before, but let me again suggest reading the Covington books. Not saying they’re utterly realistic or the road to follow, but he does address all those follow on questions – foreign policy, defense, domestic policy to re-accustom the population to a moral and White nation, etc. Made me really think about what it would take – and made me fully jettison the “return to the Constitution” canard.

Dinothedoxie
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Dinothedoxie

Easter Sunday I went for a run in my city’s Central Park (coastal Orange County). The place was packed with, mostly but not exclusively hispanic, families having picnics. In the time I was there I counted more than a dozen “street vendors” with push carts selling food and trinkets. It was pretty weird, and not “American” at all. I also know that it’s illegal for them to do so (not that I care more much either way). It’s kind of a microcosm of what Z is talking about. You don’t see that type of thing in native crowds, because it’s… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Can confirm. OC was a rare White Right oasis in California only 20 years ago – now it’s fully Mexified. Santa Ana courts & hospitals are indistinguishable from East Los Angeles. Classic anarcho-tyranny. Victor Davis Hanson is at his best on this subject in his Cental CA homeground, street vendors, impromptu trailer parks, drunk driving rampant. Cops know Whites will pay fines and not shoot at them, and they have to write some tickets sometime, so we get the tyranny. Those whose poverty and lawlessness make them “enforcement-proof” enjoy the anarchy.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

I know where that is. It’s a great park when it’s empty. Parks only look nice when they’re unused. They’re magnets for immigrants and pedophiles. The sad thing about that area is that the flat landers come in to cool off from the places without the marine layer. I consider them to literally be stealing the cool air that they can’t afford.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

I was in Carmel, CA recently, which is truly a paradise on earth. Everyone I saw over 40 was white, and everyone under 40 was Asian.

It was very obvious that the strategy for keeping it beautiful is to turn it over to the Yellows, so that the Browns can’t have it.

Dutch
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Dutch

Carmel CA has priced a pack of gum so the Browns (or the Blacks) can’t have it. They have priced every single element of the cost of living away from the rest of the 99%. But the Yellows have the bucks to pay the price. The blockbusting is coming from a different direction on that one. At least when the Whites get run out of town, they will be paid well for the privilege, unlike most blockbusting exercises.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

An accurate description of the nice parts of Orange/LA/Santa Barbara Counties as well

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

Irvine.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Many times day hiked Point Lobos…miss the Pacific waves crashing on rocks.. and sea otters. Now I have antelope. And prairie dogs.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

RFF, I love the hell out of Utah. It’s tragic that the LDS have allowed the POZ to enter.

I think that BYU was so good at creating effective middle managers that the POZ was inevitable. Still, the small towns remain monuments to European Man’s ability to tame nature. I’m blessed to have spent time there.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Well, Meme, I love the hell out of Utah too. The POZ entered because the church moved beyond the inter mt west, grew beyond the US and became an international church. The church quietly backed Romney and Romney is a globalist pirate…beyond nation. There was no way to stop a missionary based religion outgrowing their clothes, so to speak. Now over 150 temples all over the world and all the money needed to keep the operations going, a majority of members are outside of US and are Marxist-lite. Embrace open borders, embrace the teeming masses, church giving millions to refugee… Read more »

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

RFF- Southern Utah; Cedar City and St George mostly; been to all the National Parks and have tried to explore the back country.

Also have been up and down the Sanpete Valley and love it profoundly. The first time I saw the Temple in Manti, I couldn’t help but think of that scente from Lord of the Rings where Boromir speaks of seeing Minas Tirith in the distance, with its flags fluttering in the breeze. Truly a magnificent structure.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

Carmel is great, as is 17 Mile Drive. The problem is the tourist busses of people. It may as well be a European village at some tourist crossroads. So much of the coast is that way.

Lineman
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Lineman

For now, white people mostly follow the law out of habit…
Because those kind of laws are only enforced against whites…Try doing something like that on a scale like that and see what happens…

Penitent Man
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This is the truth, I’ve watched traffic enforcement from up close. Soccer mom gets pulled over and earns a citation for a burned-out licence plate bulb. Meanwhile three vibrant-driven cars will chug by billowing exhaust and a grip of operational violations in the time it takes the CHP to finish scratching the ticket.

Soccer mom can pay and hell, she’ll probably even feel embarrassed and guilty to boot. In the cop’s defense, who wants to pull over the other three cars and roll the dice on having a “situation” or adding to the ever-dreaded racial disparity statistic for the city?

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Bingo!

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

I suspect that if Whites continue to learn to behave aggressively and lawlessly as they are and is well within our nature modernity to boot will come to a blessed end, Best case Honduras 2.0 , worst case Heil Hydra Inside every White guy is a marauder and there isn’t a White man alive other than a very few religious types who deep down wouldn’t want a comely slave girl and a gas station fort to call his own. This is why there is the huge anti White nationalist Skinhead narrative and regular movies, These guys are small in number… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Just one Brother 😉 Come on we can imagine at least 3 if not a harem😂

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Come on guys! You forgot…..3 women together are a cat fight! You’ll have to rule like Attica State Prison and even then, women are competitive..that’s how we evolved. Unless you want to go all Warren Jeffs and Harun al Rashid. Herding cats may be easier!

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Wife + Concubine is plenty since I’m a book worm and need time to read.

A harem is just a lot of work for the variety and its just as RFF noted , like herding cats

I’m also too old for that much activity alas

Besides I can always sell or swap out, the slave girl I mean not the wife. 😉

Lineman
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Lineman

🤣

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“there isn’t a White man alive other than a very few religious types who deep down wouldn’t want a comely slave girl and a gas station fort to call his own.” WTF LOL

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

If you’re white and push a taco truck….watch out.

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I live in SoCal. I don’t mind Latinos using the parks. I could be wrong, but it seems like the parks would be vacant without them. I’ve never really seen whites using them. Even 10+ years ago. You drive by and see a big Latino extended-family gathering, with bbq, the women making food, balloons, kids, pinatas, and you think “good to see people actually USING the park.” They’re well behaved and clean up afterward. I realize the parks in the real bad areas are a different story. But normal Mexicans in normal areas don’t hurt park culture. I went to… Read more »

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It’s like Bulgaria in the 1980s — people still mouth the old slogans, march in the May Day parades with red banners fluttering in the breeze, etc. but no one believes it anymore, they just go though the motions for fear of losing their jobs.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

BoomerCons still believe it. Check out the Facebook comments on any Breitbart post.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

Great post. I sometimes go there just to gawk.

A Postcard from the Volcano
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There was a thing in the news the other day that I thought was a good metaphor for all this: there was a kids’ national spelling bee, and the prize had to be shared by 8 Indian kids because the little pajeets had all crammed their brains out and memorized the entire damn dictionary. This is about as un-American as it gets. A spelling bee serves two purposes: 1. Reinforces for kids the value of good spelling, and 2. Is a fun kind of event so that the smart, nerdy kids who are no good at sports can get to… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Not to be “that guy”, but there was a peaches-and-cream white girl among the eight, I think Erin Howard was her name. Good for her! The group photo shows a rose among the thorns.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

This is why their own country is a giant shit hole. They are not builders by nature but exploiters and users. This is why you will never see a rich Brahman built their equivalent of the Getty or donate money for a public performing arts center, etc.

The only thing to do with such people is give them the boot. Seriously they are highly nepotistic and predatory and really don’t contribute to our society at all.

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I emerged from the seventies in full cynicism mode. I’ve been in that last compartment more than half my life. Mostly alone. At least I have plenty of company now.

Dutch
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Dutch

My memory of the seventies was of a sort of Weimar period. The damage was done but the old order found their way in the most perverse exercises of taste and judgement. I felt like an innocent in an asylum. In retrospect, it was a fascinating time, and it is interesting how the people today treat the artifacts (the clothes, the photos, the music, the movies) with little comprehension of the true fundamental dissonance we lived through at the time. On some level it offers hope that there is a future for us today. But one has to remember that… Read more »

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Z made a great point about the 70’s a few weeks back.

In short, architecture of that time was hideous and reflected the rot, but the population hadn’t yet. Now, architecture looks much better, perhaps as a way of coping with the absence of a “volk.”

Look at the beautiful recent structures in post-America Los Angeles (The Getty Center & The Grove are two great examples). White architecture will outlive white people.

Penitent Man
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Recovering Libertarian… like a lot of folks here. It was a difficult slog letting slip the libertarian penchant. Its a wonderfully seductive ideology not unlike Communism. Unlike Communism, libertarianism carries with it native imagery of plucky Founding Fathers, American individualism bearing an organic feel to it that contrasts with the “foreign feeling” pie-in-the-sky promises of Communism. Both become train wrecks when they run up against reality and human nature. Communism inherently ends up with a body count, and libertarianism has no immunity to inevitable failure. Don’t get me wrong, I miss the warm feeling of libertarian ideology and the smarmy… Read more »

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If you don’t approach politics with strong libertarian instincts you are fodder for the collectivists. Taking Libertarianism to extremes is the lazy mans approach. It’s like saying that conservatives want no change, ever- Autos? No,No think of the buggy whip makers! Jordan Peterson lays out the issue fairly clearly. The societies of the West succeed because of the underling belief in individual sovereignty. In pretty much all fields that has produced the richest (in both material and cultural meaning) societies ever seen. The revolution is by tribalists: Peterson uses the example of a tribe of chimpanzees literally tearing to pieces… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Your post is fascinating because you say both “the West succeed[ed] because of the underling belief in individual sovereignty” and “The underlying issue is, can whites overcome their aversion to tribalism…”

Your post mirrors my own political development. I am predisposed to individualism but this changed when I became convinced that ethnocentric non-whites were defeating individualistic whites due to their ethnocentrism. Now I see white collectivism as a necessary defense so that white individualism can exist.

Don’t be discouraged by the negative votes on your comments. I value your contributions.

Penitent Man
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Well said LINE. If we and our heritage are to survive, first must come awareness as a group, actualization and then some form of collective identity and advocacy must follow. Collective identity and self-defense/advocacy will require a degree of collectivization, but in OUR PEOPLE’s big tent need to be a large place of honor for individualism and some libertarian principles. It is part of who we are and what we have contributed to the world.

Penitent Man
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I grok you in re: having libertarian “instints” or pedigree in your political foundation. I was expressing the feelz journey from conservative to libertarian to nationalist/RR. I so strongly associated Jeffersonian mythical libertarianism with my American identity that it almost felt like a betrayal to allow reason and reality to transform my thinking from the comfort of the idealized. I’ve always been staunchly anti-collectivist and remain largely so, though a monologue by Zman got me pondering the acceptance or perhaps even desirablility of some collectivized benefits and safety nets for OUR people.Do we not want to foster the prosperity and… Read more »

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I suspect that in the end this age will not be the end of whites but *will* be a genetic bottleneck for them that will produce a new race. I live in metro Portland and have a somewhat public facing job where I refrain from saying about 10 words for every one I do say. I see them float through my little realm of employment, the nose pierced (3 just today), the tatted, the bearded soy-fatted manchildren, the shemales in heels, the fat green haired slutwalkers… all white, all doomed. None of these creatures will have many offspring. It’s no… Read more »

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Wise words from Pozymandias in one of our most sickening cities, “I can’t help but think that this is the same genetic material that stormed ashore at Normandy not so long ago.”

The hipster folk of Seattle and Portland display a twisted and obscene beauty that is ultimately suicidal. It’s sad. It’s like watching a loved one who is a talented artist descend into debased madness.

That said, I must say that I have great memories of Hawthorne Boulevard in the 90s. Mount Tabor is a treasure.

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I’m not from here but from Baltimore in fact, you know, Zman’s favorite place in the whole multiverse. I have to say that, having lived in both places, I’ve learned that not all “liberals” are alike. Baltimore, once you get away from the ghetto at least, was always a far more normal place. Even the libs I remember were mostly just trade union socialists. Of course that was long ago too. As for Portland, I came here in 06 and am trying to leave. I’ve watched as rents soared and the seemingly harmless old hippies have been replaced by these… Read more »

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

WWJD?

Alien
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Alien

“…..When Trump’s agenda fails, as it sure[ly] will,…..” Z, do you not think that enough of Trump’s agenda will succeed to avoid tipping the scales all the way to cynicism on the part of whites? While there are a number of contributors, immigration control will be the mass that determines scale position. And, your take is that should such cynicism develop it will be “….an old married couple hanging on until the kids are grown” then divorcing. Do you really think it will be that civilized? I think there may be exacerbating factors; if Trump fails, much, if not most,… Read more »

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

Whether Trump’s agenda succeeds or fails, people are getting good and hard a lesson about who runs the country and how they go about it.

What, if anything, people do with what they’ve found out is up to them.

Dutch
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Dutch

The correct words are despair, despondency, and anger. Cynicism is way too shallow a thing.

Whiskey
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Whiskey

As the inveterate blackpiller per Kevin Michael Grace, it looks like Pelosi is conceding on impeachment. Likely a slam dunk with Amash town hall stacked with dems panicking more than a few Reps into yes in the House. In the Senate i think it’s fifty fifty that Hillary can push spineless Reps into yes. Then the House can appoint anyone they want assuming they remove Pence as well or just ignore the law. Which they always do. President Hillary? She’s all in with the woke and woke capital. Half the doj and FBI work for her. A long drawn out… Read more »

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

The right seems as disillusioned as the left even though the “right” has most elected positions. I can’t remember a time when the winners of the election seemed so unhappy. Maybe I’m just not remembering the past correctly though.

Political solutions don’t look like they can keep the country together much longer.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet
Longbow
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Jeepers… ya think?

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This comment from Unz is worth a read. This is the start of the revolution. https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/because-blacks-dont-pay-water-bills-in-majority-black-baltimore-and-cleveland-naacp-legal-defense-fund-pushing-idea-of-no-water-bills-for-blacks/ CENTURION says: • Website May 29, 2019 at 2:56 pm GMT • 100 Words @Achmed E. Newman My wife got a Hospital bill for over $8,000 FOR a basic MRI……..I got the Medical “code” for the procedure and went to a “free standing’ center that does this kind of stuff all day…and their “cash” charge for the exact same thing was $325……….. I called up the aholes at the Hospital and told them I will pay them $500………….they refused…..I told them why and said… Read more »

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Can’t disagree with a thing you said. Interesting that William Barr might have come in from the cold to pinch hit for freedom. It’s two outs bottom of the ninth for the American experiment.

TomA
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TomA

Yes, this is accurate. And now, knowing this, you must use this information to make predictions about the future. Hint, the political class is deteriorating rapidly right before our eyes. Look at the members of Congress (nearly a third are outright loons or hate this country). Rise of tyranny is inevitable because government is a living thing, and it will do whatever is necessary in order to survive (think Stalin or Mao, and yes it can happen here). Predict and prepare, there is nowhere to run or hide.

TomA
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TomA

This post is getting a little blackpillish, so here is a link to a whitepill video that may lift your spirits. Notice anything that the participants have in common?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=316&v=kbJcQYVtZMo

Lineman
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Lineman

Just remember they want to destroy everything good and beautiful like that and set your heart and mind to do everything in your power to not let them…Even if it means giving up all those goodwhite thoughts…

Penitent Man
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beautiful. thank you.

Quasitrollbunny
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Quasitrollbunny

“Notice anything that the participants have in common?”
The people are affected by the universal language of beautiful music?
https://youtu.be/uMkk48ye3jw
At 3:49 below
https://youtu.be/2kOMccvaTb0I
https://youtu.be/X6s6YKlTpfw
https://youtu.be/dsqlSdogzkY

TWS
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TWS

A prison does not require consent. A minimally human prison can and are constructed with no consent for men. Women kept in those types of prisons will suicide but men don’t. It’s like handling dangerous animals, possible and occasionally done but like a slaughterhouse in its inhumanity.

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Interesting. Any web links to male vs female prison differences of the kind you mention?

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

This sort of describes the journey Im personally so I think it is quite on the mark.

Drake
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Drake

The first 2 paragraphs on state violence being used to impose order… I agree that is cannot be the only glue to hold the country together, however, I’ve observed a tremendous ramp-up of the violence that the state is willing to use during the my life. Cops now dressed like soldiers who reach for firearms as a first, not last resort. No-knock raids, “red-flag” gun seizures where gun owners lose their Constitutional rights based on hearsay… the mask is really dropping on state-violence. Probably a tactic to keep “populism” under control while whitey is replaced, but it’s gaining steam. It’s… Read more »

Garry F. Owen, Trooper
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Garry F. Owen, Trooper

Z, excellent work, as per usual. The bulkhead between distrust and cynicism has a necessarily high and long step. As you say, once through, there’s no going back. Jefferson pointed this out in the DOI with his phraseology about the long train of abuses and usurpations. Humans will tolerate much before stepping through that particular bulkhead, but once through ….

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“The divorce is inevitable.”

As long as this fantasy exists we will never accomplish anything. It is as bad as the gun consumers who believe that buying a gun means they are free and don’t have to fight back against the left’s onward match through the country. Only a tiny minority of Whites get how bad things are going to be. It will be generations before uni educated whites are forced to acknowledge the problem instead of collaborating with the enemy. By then it will be too late even if they want to divorce.

tim smith
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I refuse to believe this negative fatalist view. This nation can be righted but not if the good people in it are convinced that the precepts of this article are their fate. The Jews believed they had no power to control their lives pre-WWII and that belief created a reality for them. We will not let that happen in America as long as many of us have breath to breath!!