We Need A New Elite

Probably the worst thing Buckley conservatives did to their middle-class white supporters is instill in them an unconditional love of rich people. Conservatism accomplished very little, but one thing it did amazingly well is hypnotize middle-class whites into instinctively and ferociously defending the rights and privileges of the rich and powerful. Even today, the most racially aware white still gets a little angry when they hear an Ocasio-Cortez or Liz Warren rail against the rich.

This conditioning, of course, was deliberate. The super-rich donors that made Buckley conservatism possible saw the movement as a vehicle to protect their interests from the Left during the Cold War. It’s not that the American Left was ever a real threat to the rich and powerful, as most of them came from rich and powerful families. Progressivism has always been a rich man’s religion in America. It’s that the Left put a lot of conditions on the rich, something we see today with the Left-Corporate alliance.

With Buckley conservatism, the middle-class could be turned into an army of defenders that put no conditions on the rich. By the 1980’s, the anti-communism of Buckley conservatism was turning into the worship of rich people. The movie Wall Street or the popular TV show Family Ties are good examples. There you have heroic figures, who are pure materialists, with no sense of duty to their fellow man. Getting rich, by any means necessary, was a social good in itself.

This conception of conservatism is thoroughly at odds with any past conceptions of conservatism. In fact, there was never anything conservative about Buckley conservatism. From Joseph de Maistre to Russel Kirk, conservatism accepted that every society has a ruling elite. In order for a society to function, that elite must be explicit and indebted to the welfare of the society over which they rule. Conservatism always started with an understanding of duties and obligations.

Whatever Buckley may have said or written in his younger days, by the time the conservative movement reached it maturity, it was something that would have been unrecognizable to a historic conservative. It was a celebration of materialism and individualism that placed no obligations on the elite. Instead, it divorced the rich and powerful from their duties, turning their indifference into a virtue. That virtue has now curdled into a contempt not seen since the French Revolution.

To this day, the few intellectual hobos shuffling around the ruins of Buckley conservatism still try to peddle this lie. They wave around the Medusa head, painted up as Ocasio-Cortez, in an effort to scare their dwindling ranks into thinking socialism is their great enemy. That only a suicidal defense of those terribly vulnerable billionaires will prevent the Left from raising their taxes. It is a revolting display of toadyism that makes a decent man ball his fist and have dark thoughts.

Much of what ails the American Empire today is rooted in this terrible trick played upon the white middle-class of America. Once the Cold War ended, vast resources used to fight the communists could have been turned toward addressing long ignored problems in the homeland. Instead, the white middle-class went on a long orgy of pointless consumption, while a new class of super-rich oligarchs rose up, unconstrained by any obligation to the society that spawned them.

The truth is, if America had better rich people, rich people who felt a sense of duty to their fellow citizens, there would be no dissident right. Even putting aside race realism, if the rich just embraced an immigration and economic policy that was explicitly good for Americans, there would be no Donald Trump. The political center of America would be to the Right of the current GOP. The debates would be about how best to manage trade with the world and how best to guard the border.

Instead, we have political parties that despise their own voters, financed by billionaires, who despise the American people. Of course, this culture of contempt is not just an American phenomenon. It has spread throughout the empire, infecting the rich and powerful of the West. This story about the billionaires of France reneging on their commitment to rebuild Notre Dame is a perfect example. These people carry on like spoiled brats, living in the moment, indifferent to everyone.

In a business, bankruptcy is when the current arrangements are no longer sustainable, so the enterprise is either liquidated or reconstructed. That requires terminating current management, either to be replaced with better people, who will bring the firm back to solvency or so the firm can be dissolved. In a nation, revolution is similar, in that current elites need to be eliminated so a new set of elites can retool the country and bring it back to health. Bankruptcy and revolution are about new beginnings.

That’s where things are in the West, but America in particular. The current elites are rotten to the core. They are irredeemable. There’s no talking them out of their corruption or appealing to their humanity, at least not until they are on the gallows. These are people who now define themselves in opposition to that which makes nations possible and makes a people possible. For the people of the West to regain their sense of self, to make countries into homelands again, it means replacing the current elites.

The people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure.

–Thomas Jefferson, Paris 1787


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That they are hated by the very wealthy is probably one of the biggest things that normies (who aren’t lunatic SJWs but haven’t come over to our side) don’t get. For all of his faults, Trump seems to actually have some concern for the common man. As a billionaire, he is an extreme outlier. This fact may confuse some people.

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One of Trump’s most appealing aspects for me, and I suspect for others, is that he has always been unapologetically crass. Marrying and divorcing models, gold gilt everywhere, a plane and helicopter with his name on the side in huge letters, steak well done, and for god’s sake he eats taco salads and brags about it. The Manhattan elite never accepted him as one of their own and, for his part, he always claimed Queens as his home town. It’s as though someone took a redneck with a bunch of money and dumped him in the middle of New York… Read more »

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There is a great story from he first went to work for his dad. One of the guys told him “when you knock on the door of an overdue tenant, always stand to the side”. Donald asks “why?” “Trust me just do it”. Sure as shit a couple months later he’s doing a collection, knocks on the door and the tenant shoots through it. But he took the advice, that’s why he’s still here.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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Trump is a historical norm.
He’s just an outlier among these freaks.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

No he has no concern for the ordinary whites in this country. If he did he wouldn’t keep the Southern border open. He wouldn’t be taking advice from the Koch Brothers. The man has broken every promise he made to us and pushed a agenda that is hostile to us and the country. All most whites see is his theatrics and they confuse that with him caring about them. No he doesn’t care about whites. Go look at his response to what happened at his San Jose rally. He didn’t say a word about his white supporters being beaten to… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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He seems conflicted. He probably does have some empathy for legacy Americans…but with whom has he done business with? Built his real estate empire with? Who have his children married? Who are his grandchildren?

What’s that cliche…the personal is the political.

Rod1963
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Well that is a big piece of it. That’s a bad crowd he’s hanging with.

Still Look at the San Jose rally, his supporters were beaten to a bloody pulp and he just fled the state and said nothing. Even his fan base went into overdrive to excuse his cowardice.

And he let anti-fa and Big Tech bully his supporters while barely saying a word for the last 3 years. He’s either gutless or a sociopath. Maybe both.

Yet whites are still giving him a pass. They would have never done this with Hillary or Jeb.

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Rod, do not forget that ted cruz blamed the trump supporters for the “violence” . I think Kasich did too. Not a single GOP executive called out the police for their inaction and tacit support of the thugs.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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He is a modern President.
Meaning he gives orders and the bureaucracy defies them.

A characteristic of our government since FDR.
Yes him too.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

This is a characteristic of modernity. You can’t run a nation with near instant communication (available to a degree since the telegraph) and blazing fast transit (since the train) with a constitution built for the middle ages This complexity and the inability of the reasonably smart but never brilliant elected and appointed to even understand complex problems leads to bureaucracies running things They almost have to since I can promise you most Congressweasels could not tell you what dihydrogen monoxide is much less understand say water rights or how to handle nuclear waste. Modernity is too damned complex for our… Read more »

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Compsci

A.B., recent study discussed at Unz by Dr Thompson. Basically an extension to Dunning-Kruger effect. Seems that stupid people not only don’t know they are stupid, they wildly overestimate the intelligence of others. So in short, there are a lot of stupid people out there voting for stupid Congressmen. And of course, there is little hope for those room temperature IQ types in leadership to grasp the concepts/understanding in forming policy/law needed in a modern technological society.

Great news for our pundits on the radio, not so much for the rest of us.

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Official Bologna Tester

@Compsci.So basically what your saying is that universal suffrage was a bad idea. I’m not sure but, I think most of us have been on that page for a while. Or a least I have.

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@AB Prosper

Oh look, anti-tech entryist is at it again.

If you want to stop the eeeevil White Man’s technology, just flood Europe and North America with niggers!

But you better be quick, because StarProphet Elon Musk’s Starship/Superheavy is developing really really fast… And it’s going to be too late for your anti tech dreams.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

It should be Xopher Halfwit or Xopher Wormtongue methinks So you do understand,the Dissident Right isn’t a Liberty Movement (that’s over at WRSA) nor is it a Libertarian one (go back to Reason magazine for that) It is a bit amorphous but if it anything is an Authoritarian Right Wing one and regulation that serves the greater public good is perfectly OK with a lot of us Frankly if you Libertarian carpetbaggers and entryists would just pack your shit up, leave and not come back it would be better for all of us. You are as obnoxious as Tiny Duck… Read more »

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miforest

VXXC how about you give us even one example of an order given by Obama or bill Clinton that was ignored. that is a ludicrous statement . the bureaucracy is only too eager to enact any democratic whim.

miforest
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you are correct Rod . why didn’t he end DACA the day after he took office? he still hasn’t. He said he would. I think that trump’s greatest weakness is that he doesn’t give a shit about those who have supported him . He let the GOP establishment freeze out the Deplorables for any administrative positions in the new white house. why let the Obama holdovers at justice and DOJ stay . ALL presidential appointments should have been vacated upon taking office. Bill Clinton fired every us attorney in the country in 1 day. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/flashback-bill-clinton-93-u-s-attorneys-fired-one-day-video/ . only a fool, like… Read more »

Compsci
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Miforest, Trump threatened to end the DACA program and that was overruled in the courts. To me, that’s a ridiculous overstep of the court’s authority. However, ignoring the courts authority is not easy when the majority of the legislature threatens to impeach—and convict you, if given a reasonable public pretext for the action taken. Seems most of the complaints wrt Trump fall under that frustration. To wit, why doesn’t Trump just tell everyone to “fuck off” and “order” that it be done! Well, had such occurred we’d now be bitching about President Pence and his inability to get things done.… Read more »

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Moran ya Simba

In order for a society to function, that elite must be explicit and indebted to the welfare of the society over which they rule. Conservatism always started with an understanding of duties and obligations. A nation will thrive when the elite wins when the nation wins. A nation will fall when the elite is isolated from the nation’s failures. I think Trump tries to be the kind of elite requested here. I believe he actually loves America. I just dont believe he’s smart, charismatic or sophisticated enough to do it. And also, while he may be rich, real estate is… Read more »

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real estate is not where the smart money is these days

Real wealth will always be in the land.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

In a way yes. But since the industrial revolution 200 years ago, power has rested with urban, not rural, elites. And that matters.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Bingo!

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CAPT S

Great follow-up to the “What Comes Next” essay. Biggest problem I see, though, is that no matter how much we now disagree with Buckley conservatism, most of us remain stuff-oriented, “American Dream” materialists. My sense is that we’re far too soft a people – far too comfortable – for rebellion. We’re faced with two options: 1) Proactive revolt, for which we’re mentally/physically/spiritually unprepared, or 2) Post-collapse, reactive survival, after which a “new elite” of leadership is possible.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

True, but your personal path to both is basically the same: start building networks in the real world.

These groups will be useful whatever the future holds.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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In both cases of proactive revolt and waiting for collapse – the revolt is underway. As for collapse- None of you will enjoy collapse.
Nor likely profit from it.

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You explained quite clearly the present problem (crisis?) on what is seriously wrong with America. I await tomorrow’s essay on your plan of action for a remedy for all of this.
Cultivating our own gardens will help for us to manage and survive sanely in an insane world but it will not be a form of revolution, soft or otherwise.

Voting is not an option.

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Voting is a useful tool for less harmful or even helpful people having legitimacy of force. Its not a solution – probably. But the enemy should certainly not be granted elected legitimacy of the organs of law and force. That in our current situation is effectively 90% disarmament. With legitimacy some of the 100 million rifles may march – probably enough. Without legitimacy even the Brave will falter – at this very moment that is why our guns are silent. If the Dems have legitimacy through elections they’ll remain silent. Silent to their grave. Historians will marvel a people so… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
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Bartleby the Scrivner

Elite.

You keep using that word.

I do not think it means what you think it means…

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

The wealthy, tucked away inside their gated communities, have increasingly pulled away from social and civic commitments to their towns and cities. Now we’ve added a growing and massive number of Third Worlders to communities who lack civicmindedness and a sense of duty. Steve Sailer writes about schools running out of white kids, who keep test scores up. Communities are running out of regular white folks who make places nice and pleasant.

Compsci
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Compsci

The wealthy—ah yes, but who are the wealthy, or “rich”. This is not a trivial question. Ask the average Lefty, and the rich is anyone who has more money than him. Not just Bill Gates or that clown Zuckerberg. In regards to such oligarchs, I tend to agree with Z-man, but need to advise caution with the label and whom we apply that to. If one looks at the breakdown of national wealth, we have an upper 10% of the population that “own” 80% of the nation’s wealthy, the gazillionaires are aproximately 1/10% and they have 20%. The remaining 60%… Read more »

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Yak-15

“Diversity is a strength!”

Yes, that’s why the British were able to conquer all of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal with a few thousand men.

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And they weren’t really trying all that hard.

Compsci
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Compsci

Same example—in spades—can be used with the conquering of the North (and South) American Indian tribes.

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We won’t change our elite without changing the monetary system. All this “funny money” created, managed and given value by our despicable elite and its institutions – it controls us and undermines us. Money isn’t a facet of society, it’s the skeleton of society. We will know the dissident right is serious when it starts talking economics and currencies. Too bad our laws don’t allow the states to experiment with different types of currencies – commodity-based, private, debt-free sovereign, etc. I thought Initiative Q was kind of a bold attempt to slip a private currency under the wire. Unfortunately it… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Disagree. Economic systems are relatively unimportant, so long as they aren’t blatantly corrupt. White people can make almost every economic system prosper. Socialist Scandinavia was a great place to live before massive immigration. Let’s focus on economics after we get the demographics right.

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King Tut

I absolutely don’t want to discourage you from contributing to this conversation but I must offer a word of advice here: if you have the time and resources take a tour around some former Warsaw Pact countries in Central and Eastern Europe. Spend some time in cities such as Prague, Krakow, Budapest or Minsk. There are many others I could list. Sure, there is some residual dysfunction and ugliness but that’s only to be expected after the devastation of WWII and then 50 years of communism. Still, those scars grow fainter with each passing year. Then, when you’ve done that,… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Tut, what’s your point—free market vs something else? If so, there is a conflation here wrt to population within country examples. Any country with a population averaging room temperature, such as Haiti, will always be a basket case.

King Tut
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King Tut

Compsci, yes. Economic systems alone to make good societies if the raw material is not there to begin with.

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Cultural Marxism is the moral philosophy (religion?) of the educated classes, and especially the elite. It’s been completely institutionalized. Somehow, that has to change if we want a functional ruling class.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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Sure.
We topple them and the victor picks the new religion.

Everything is downstream from power, power flows from force.

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Official Bologna Tester

@vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉. Power is desire realized. Force is merely a means to an end. Desire better things.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

We live under an increasingly militant theocracy.
Diversa Vult!

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I don’t think theocracy is too strong of a word. It certainly seems that we are heading there fast.

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Official Bologna Tester

@Max.The French Revolution began in 1789. 230 years later, the flowers on the poisonous plant have finally started to bloom. Mix that with the Soft Despotic manigerial state and industrialized, Consumerist, buccaneer Capitalism, and you have America the not so beautiful.

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Vegetius

Not to defend Buckley, but I wonder if the elites would or could have reached their present state of sociopathy without Ayn Rand.

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Rand was but one side of the kosher sandwich. Sociopathy is to be found on either end and would have migrated to the elites without her.

Johnny55
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Johnny55

Now you see the game. The old Hegelian dialectic in practice…

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Official Bologna Tester

@Vegetius. Buckley pitched Ayn Rand under a bus.They wouldn’t even stand in the same room with each other. Her ideas where accepted and put into practice by Wall Street.

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Thanks to the welfare state, there has been a general loss of a sense of personal obligation to others. Socialism replaces the idea of a personal obligation to people in particular with an impersonal obligation to people in general. In most places and times, relationships are horizontal — between you, your family, friends, co-workers, employer-employee, neighbors, community, country, etc. Socialism replaces this with a verticle relationship — solitary you and the all-providing State. Under socialism, society atomizes. The strongest way to hold a family, a community together is not love or even morality, but need. Globohomo would certainly like to… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Don’t want a welfare state? Stop automating jobs away and stop outsourcing and importing goods and people.

If you can’t stomach the automation controls and unionization than let wages rise , prices stay decently static and cut the damned work week

We’ll have plenty of work and much less need for a welfare state.

If you want an exercise, nest time you get fast food and see a kiosk there, realize that the people replaced by that machine are probably going to voting socialist in the near future .

They can’t get ahead through work, might as well take dole.

Compsci
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Compsci

A.B., pay me now or pay me later. Yep, we just love Dollar Store trinkets and Walmart “specials”—but my next door neighbor losing his job of 20 years—not so much.

My son busts his balls attempting to buy USA, and it is often impossible unless one simply does without, such is the sorry state of affairs today.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Compsci and A.B.: You are both correct.

Plato observed in The Republic that one of the characteristics of a tyrant is that he would deliberately impoverish the people in order to make them more dependent on him. That seems to be the modus operandi of the modern-day rotten elite that rules over us – keep us fed and keep us entertained and we won’t bite the hand that feeds us.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Economies of scale are a tyranny or at least function as one, This kind of thing makes landowners and small businessmen into renters and employees so that a small elite can profit No doubt Xopher will come along screaming any moment I’m a Communist entryist or some nonsense but most of problems are caused by “big” both government and state The Left for all their flaws is far better at observing the problem space the the Right is. They get it, problem is most of them favor “big” as a solution and you don’t solve complexity and efficiency traps with… Read more »

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” strongest way to hold a family, a community together is not love or even morality, but need.” I’ve thought about this too. I wonder if the increase in divorce and decrease in fertility might be attributed , among the various other reasons we discuss, to the lack of need for family. For the first time in human history its actually possible to live as an individual without starving or being enslaved by the neighboring tribe. There does not seem to be an answer to this as long as the economy functions. Women can earn their own money and children… Read more »

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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

I recall a comment made by a family therapist in a magazine. He observed that people nowadays are quick to cut themselves off from family and blamed Social Security. At one time, if they cut themselves off from their family, they might have no one to care for them. A century ago, if you walked out on your spouse and kids, you walked out on your old-age pension. The family is no longer a unit of economic consumption, but a unit of economic production. Kids go to school and are frequently raised by third-parties. Affluence, too. We don’t need each… Read more »

Wjkathman
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It should be noted that Gordon Gecko was supposed to be the villain of Oliver Stone’s “Wall Street.” However, Michael Douglas played the character with such scumbag charm that many mistook him for the hero. Douglas has stated that numerous people have told him that his portrayal of Gecko is what inspired them to become stockbrokers. Doesn’t get much more American than that.

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If only our corporate elite were concerned with profits….seems we’ve entered an age where they care more about SJW causes than profits. Banks refusing to do business with you because you don’t support open borders? It’s insanity.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Max, the fact that AWRs are willing to put ideology before profits is one of their greatest strengths. If the “conservative” elites Z describes had channeled their money and energy into supporting conservative causes, America would still actually be America.

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I dunno. Stuff like that seems to be a hallmark of a dysfunctional society. If Dems and Rs need separate banks, it’s long past time for separate countries. If all politics has to be a morality play that is bad enough. Extending that to business relationships seems insane.

Dutch
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Dutch

It’s not separate banks, I’m ok with that. It is that they don’t want us to have a bank at all.

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Beware the cashless society with nowhere to go.

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Ostei Kozelskii

I was talking about the AWRs, not society.

Nathan
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Nathan

How many young men watched Full Metal Jacket and said “cool, man! I’m joining the Marines!”

It’s a funny thing how people often get the wrong messages from movies . Or maybe it’s a mindfuck from the start?

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Wkathman

The takeaway from people not understanding the messages of movies: folks just ain’t that bright. There is a notion that no such thing as an anti-war film exists. Just showing war at all glorifies it, even if the intent was to disparage war. That’s plausible considering how much of the audience is comprised of damn fools. Perspicacity is an anomaly.

King Tut
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King Tut

Or maybe it’s because we’re chimpanzees and we like war.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

The most effective anti war film I’ve seen is All Quiet on the Western Front since simply no one had anything positive to say about trench warfare

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Prussian

“…no one had anything positive to say about trench warfare” I think the image of WW1 that has come down to us has been skewed by the Left. “It is important to recognize, however, that the anti-war myth has not always enjoyed such hegemony. In the 1920s and 1930s, it vied with a powerful “pro-war” position for interpretive rights to the conflict. For German writers (and veterans) like Ernst Jünger, Franz Schauwecker, Werner Beumelberg, and Edwin Dwinger, the war’s violence was less victimizing than empowering. Life in the trenches had meant an experience of comradeship and newly awakened feelings of… Read more »

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A.B Prosper

Must appreciated post. I have kin in what was Prussia and I suspect like many in that region have a warlike nature . These are the kind of men who slaughter a legion in the Teutoburg forest and love it Were we more like them, our problems would have been resolved long ago but easy access to stuff made us soft The thing is while the plurality of White Americans are German, they aren’t Prussian and neither are our Poles When it came to wartime experience, neither my stepfather or my great uncle had anything to say positive about the… Read more »

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We’re not chimps though. Human social groups operate *very* differently from chimp dominance hierarchies (a place were a guy like Jordan Peterson gets things really wrong). Anthropologist C.R. Hallpike in “Do We Need God to be Good” puts it like this: “Positions of power and leadership in human societies are produced by situations in which some people control what other people want or need, like food, land, personal security, political skills, status, wealth, the favour of the gods, professional expertise, knowledge, and so on. In other words, power requires dependency, and among hunter-gatherers there is precious little of that, because… Read more »

King Tut
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King Tut

I’m sorry but none of that disproves what I said. I may be wrong and I happy to accept being wrong but not one word of that gives me cause to review my opinion.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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Oh good. We agree.

Here’s the top 10 military apps to help with this problem.

I’m all about solutions.

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I particularly like Theodolite.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

400,000 employees.
78,000 companies.
200 universities.

With but one goal in mind:
Reach the Moon.

That was an America-centric policy, when elites, government, and the middle class worked together.
Back when we were one nation.

Yves Vannes
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What we’ve lost: a unified sense of purpose, a drive to attemp great feats, an appetite to discover new wonders…and a willingness to sacrifice to achieve those ends…

Kill a civilizations great dreams, give them lesser ones. Replace striving and sacrifice with gorging on trinkets.

Corral a people’s spirit, curb its appetite and they will no longer be a great people.

Dutch
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Dutch

From moon landings to “polish my female balls” in 50 years. That’s a hell of a regression.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

And it was an nearly useless goal that was for national vanity vanity projects are for decadent nations

You want good things that required a great nation to accomplish?

Hoover Dam, REA , CCC, Interstate Highway , that is what a great nation accomplishes not once off useless bullshit sending men to a dead rock

Dr. Mabuse
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Dr. Mabuse

Nonsense. Apollo 11 was not the product of a “decadent” nation. It was a grand adventure, by people who still understood the concept of glory. Conservatives have been doing the green eyeshade act for 40 years, and it hasn’t helped to ward off decadence one bit. By now, I’d be grateful for some project that was truly original and daring. The problem isn’t that we spend money on frivolous luxuries, but that we fling it into a welfare state sewer, getting nothing for it but a lazy, useless underclass. It was a “practical” man who fussed over wasting a jar… Read more »

BadThinker
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For those that don’t get the reference: John 12:4+ But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (the one who was about to betray him), said, “Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and the money given to the poor?” (He said this not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief; he kept the common purse and used to steal what was put into it.) Jesus said, “Leave her alone. She bought it so that she might keep it for the day of my burial. You always have the poor with you, but… Read more »

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@ A.B Prosper said: “And it was an nearly useless goal that was for national vanity vanity projects are for decadent nations.” Mr. ABP. In my humble opinion, You have the soul of a bourgeoisie turnip.

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Perhaps I do but I’m still correct. The Hoover Dam makes power every day for 8 million people. The Space program got us some rocks, a now bleached white flag all the while the nation was burning In any case humanity is not going to the stars no matter what, the vast bulk , 6.5 billion of us are too low trust , too short an attention span and/or too stupid We might get a moon base if we make it but it’s useless and a waste of money 1969 USA will in a few decades be as dead as… Read more »

Alzaebo
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We did the impossible- as a nation.

The Space Race was not another damned war. You want useless?

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The entire space race was a competition with the Soviets.

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Once the last of Gen X is gone in a few decades that nation is dead never to return. Its irrelevant as we speak. Your new nation if you can claw back a fertile land from the oceans of blood and filth required to make it., can if you really wish try such folly again in some decades. Perhaps if your Interregnum government is wise and lucky you’ll succeed Its not impossible but a minority White USA will be Brazil at best. With our tensions, likely much worse China will carry the space torch for a bit, might get a… Read more »

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A.B Prosper said: “Your new nation if you can claw back a fertile land from the oceans of blood and filth required to make it…” My heavens, “oceans of blood and filth”. I can see that apocalyptic rhetoric is definitely your forte. My advice is: BACK AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER, AND KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM! 😀

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I’m not sure if this a compliment or an insult. I’ve been in L.A. quite recently it is a pest hole with break outs of typhus and very soon possibly plague . This is in good times . It will get worse As for blood, do you really think you can vote your way out of clown world . If things go hot enough to threaten the union , millions will die, very possible tens or hundreds of disease, starvation and violence This is why our side has trouble doing anything. We see the cost of the future but have… Read more »

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The Booby agrees 100%. Our ruling class is a post-Cold War marriage. Once the “threat” of Soviet Communism ended, the rich no longer had any reason to continue pretending they had any affinity for the people. It was back to paying $100 000 000 for degenerate abstract artworks by left-wing artists, falling over themselves to be seen at fashionable events hosted by left-wing intellectuals, and embracing enthusiastically the political correctness reign of terror imposed by left-wing academia and the new establishment. The left, for its part, gets to fatten itself on the fruits of corporate largess. Gov’t jobs, academic jobs,… Read more »

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Hmmm. Jefferson says that 150 years is plenty long between revolutions. Let’s see, it’s been 154 years since the end of the Civil War. I’d say that we’re right about on track.

In fact, I might argue that a revolution/insurgency started ~1965 and is finally about to gain total control. So far, that revolution has been fairly bloodless, outside of increased crime. That may change when its leaders start to openly and oppressively wield power against the defeated whites.

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Wall Street Globalist (((elites))) have gone full-Prog/Marxist and they intend to remove Trump and open/keep open the borders wide by any means necessary. The Great Population Replacement Project has been an unqualified success.

If anyone has a plan to rid the country – indeed the world – of these (((elites))) please enlighten us. As it stands right now it looks like victory for the elites – again – and catastrophe for everyone else.

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A now-retired hedge fund manager friend once remarked to me in disgust that it really was all about money with the Jews. She married a Jew (now deceased) and converted, but said that she would take back her maiden name if she didn’t have children.

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Anon conservative had a few posts detailing what a sadistic psychopathic bastard Buckley really was. My sense is that he was also a closeted homo.

Institute a wealth tax and confiscate everything after $1m. Sorry charlie 😛

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Karl, that’s plain silly. There will never be anyone willing to exert effort above 1M compensatio/wealth accumulation—assuming that such requirement is not worked around, like the 50’s 90% tax rate. Next time you want a top notch doctor to operate on you, think about it.

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Then live under the heel of a billionaire, you seem to enjoy it. Zman, this is the type of person you are trying to build a revolutionary movement out of 😛

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Brokeback Buckley. He was good friends with the late David Brudnoy, long-time WBZ talk radio legend, who was an open homosexual.

The Fair Deal, the New Deal, Socialism, taxation, and the like have all worked to weaken the white man.

Whites flourish in an accountability society, not a soak the rich, reward the bureaucrat, reward the postal worker, reward the public employee union society.

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Karl, I would hope so. Can’t make a movement out of folk that can’t think past their envy and bitterness. Perhaps you come from a Leftist perspective?

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Those who want to impose taxes and take what others have are the bitter and the envious.

If you insist upon taxes, how about taxing the takers, and giving to the creators?

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Most of today’s so called creators are worse parasites than any welfare mom In any case , the way money is generated today is murdering our societies and if regulating the hell out of them means our people have a future and America becomes a good place to raise a family, that’s fine with me we could lose half the GDP so long as the distribution is somewhat flat and be well set. The Economic Liberals and Libertarians ought to go carpetbag and grift to africa or somewhere else and let us run a society without you America doesn’t need… Read more »

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A.B., why distort what I wrote?

Did I endorse carpetbagging and grifting?

Perhaps you should acquire a better grip on what makes carpetbagging possible. To wit, see Reconstruction.

America does not need any redistributionist gimmie dats. The dissident right is doomed to failure if it insists upon socialism.

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Wealth redistribution is one the primary functions of the state outside of war Its has been since Haumarabbi at least In any case making things worse does not involve government owning everything which is stupid However if your cognitive dissonance can handle it, the government in ultra capitalist Singapore owns and sells or leases 80% of property They do this so that people can afford to have somewhere to live at a reasonable price. This is not super effective, its too busy and crowded for kids but its improved that nations quality of life without making goods from there unaffordable… Read more »

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hahaha did you even read Zman’s post?!

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yah, you are a true warrior; it shows in your words.

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The graveyards are filled with indispensable men Almost no one in the real world would ever see such a surgeon anyway , For most of the nation it’s utterly moot . Under any system they will mostly see a P.A and the results if we train smart people, will work fine What they will see are less people who own everything and have the resources to opt out of bad policy choices with ease That alone is worth the loss And yes I’m aware it won’t raise a thin dime, that’s not the point. Too much wealth in too few… Read more »

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I would put the limit much higher than that but I agree with the idea. If a person feels oppressed by such a system, where they can still be very wealthy relative to the average person, we are probably better off without them.

This idea also inhibits the creation of a small class of plutocrats who can purchase the legislators for schemes like open borders.

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Line, correct. But how to do that is the question. As has been pointed out here, schemes that are sold as “only” affecting the rich have a way of working their way down to the middle classes as the government tirelessly attempts to secure more and more funding to transfer to the unproductive in exchange for their votes.

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I guess that’s where the desire to keep government small and our representatives as people we know and trust is validated. It seems we really need to balkanize into smaller regions/republics so as to re-store power to rule to the workers and normal folk. Sometimes I fantasize that, since so many Central American and Mexican citizens are already living in the U.S., the U.S. should simply gather the leaders of Canada, Central America and South America and say, Look, we’re already mixed, let’s combine to create more prosperity to our people and let’s create a new Federation of American Republics… Read more »

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one mil might be a bit low even with regulation though a 5-1 or 10-1 remonitization would make it work It should be inflation adjusted though and I don’t know maybe 2-4 depending on remon If you are going that route, large corporations have to go bye bye though. If anyone wanted to try this they’s need overwhelming force The last time a very lite version was tried under F.D. Roosevelt we nearly got a coup Many Americans would rebel if they weren’t allowed to steal , grift, swindle and chisel and as I’ve noted before , after many people… Read more »

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America is a country based on greed. Mammon is our God. It’s even printed on our dollar. All conservatives care about is conserving their own wealth.

The twin sister of our greed is that thing Rush Limbaugh won’t shut up about: individualism, which is just another word for selfishness. I got mine. Screw you if you can’t pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Screw you if you can’t compete with the entire third world. If you think the government should help the little guy you’re probably a commie!

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Nathan, it may be selfishness, but it also is adequately explained by belief in blank statism. If everyone has equal ability, why not encourage them to get off their butt to succeed like “I did”. As HBD science becomes more accepted, such attitude can only come more and more into disrepute. And as far as rich only caring for protecting wealth, how does one explain such figures as Gates and Buffet assigning their fortunes to charitable institutions and spending the rest of their years giving such away (not that I support that either, but that’s another thread)

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Charitable foundations are a form of tax evasion for the wealthy. I remarked on this before, but I once attended a barbecue and a fellow told me that he was from Tewksbury, NJ (a wealthy area), and that his family was comfortable, but not rich. The children of the self-made rich at school asked, “we’re rich, you’re not, what’s the matter with you?” He went on to say that the old money people were more down to earth: They wore old clothes, drove old trucks and would talk to him while standing in line at the supermarket checkout. It’s always… Read more »

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The British Royal family is fairly accomplished when you look into it. They wouldn’t let Prince William go into combat so he became a rescue pilot for whatever they call the coast guard over there. Many of the lesser royals served in the armed forces snd now run businesses. There’s pressure on them to perform and be respectable, i think that prevents the trust fund baby syndrome to some extent.

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Rogeru, well in fairness the British royal family is one bill in parliament away from abolishment. That if nothing else keeps them on their toes so to speak. If the American people had such control of their oligarchs, I’m sure we’d not be having this discussion.

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As I’ve pointed out before on D-day, TR Jr. was only general officer to land in the first wave despite crippling arthritis and a bad heart. At the same time his son was in the first wave at Omaha. Roosevelts quick thinking in redirecting the troops who missed the correct landing spot to a new axis of advance likely saved the Utah landing. They had skin in the game.

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@Compsci Valid point about blank slatism as a way for the rich to preen about how they did it all themselves, as if most of them weren’t born on third base thinking they hit a triple. What I said was aimed at conservatives. Wealthy lefties love using the money they couldn’t possibly spend to virtue-signal. I got so sick of talk radio because so much hot air was devoted to talking about how tax cuts for the rich are good for Joe Sixpack. Then these rich bastards by a house in FL and import a new servant class from Latin… Read more »

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Nathan, point well taken. I agree, but as others have pointed out, it’s what you do to get rich and stay rich that is the “problem”. Dance with the one that brought you—or else.

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Thanx Zman, for the post. Alexander Fraser Tytler said: ” A pure democracy is a chimera. All government is essentially, of the nature of a monarchy.” Here’s a short YouTube vid with more of his quotes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grVoDtwBv-U How pray tell, should we go about doing that? I thought we all understood that mass movements where not an option. Anyway, replace all of the elites you like. That’s been tried lots of times. “Out of the frying pan into the fire.” Seriously, the more I know about history, the more I realize that we simply can’t jump over our own knees.… Read more »

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First , the disease of affluence is infecting all levels of our society (indeed the whole planet). Today, even our poorest class is literally dying of obesity. Second, the corruption and degeneracy of the elite class is a reflection of the overall decline of our entire society. We no longer choose the best among us to lead, but rather select politicians based upon skill at bribery. Every single Democrat running for president is trying to outdo each other with promises of more gravy for more votes. But as to your core point, yes, when the collapse begins, it will be… Read more »

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TomA said: “First , the disease of affluence is infecting all levels of our society (indeed the whole planet). Today, even our poorest class is literally dying of obesity. Second, the corruption and degeneracy of the elite class is a reflection of the overall decline of our entire society. Excellent! Now we’re getting somewhere. If this keeps up can Armageddon be far behind? Here’s a YouTube vid called “The Age of Decadence.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG8OAXMbfYw

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The rise of decadence may simply be a way to placate an unnatural social order. We evolved in a pastoral environment. Up until 150 years ago 90% of the population lived in the countryside or in small villages. Cities proved to be important in building a more complex civilization, but for only a small percentage of a population. Some of us evolved with traits that are better at constructive urban life than that of others. But under this arrangement only 10% of the people in a civilization lived in cities. Our genome’s phenotypic expression in an overgrown urban(suburbs included in… Read more »

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Yves’ 90/10 is about as HBD as it gets, much agree.

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Glubb is on to something profound. The cycles he observed are presumably linked to something biological about humans.

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‘The Fate of Empires’ is a quick read, and available online for free. It’s hard not to draw the conclusion that our civilization is rapidly drawing to a close. It’s interesting that the rise and fall cycle holds true for different races, religions, and geographic regions. As you say, it’s like it’s in our DNA, we can’t avoid it any more than the human body can avoid death.

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Agree. Im curious about the explanations that try to tie in human physiology and biology here. Two attempts are called ‘r/K selection’ by ‘Anonymous Conservative’ and the other ‘biohistory’ by some Aussie guy. As far as I can tell, there are no mutual inconsistencies between Glubb and these biological conjectures. Intellectually I find this ‘bio’ approach the most interesting. Our conflict w leftists must go much deeper than mere ideology. Not merely because the views of neither side are entirely logically consistent (the left’s side especiallly not) but also b/c it is so instinctive and visceral, the mutual dislike. I… Read more »

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Moran ya Simba said: ” I used to be such an easygoing guy. I really dont like leftie anymore. I believe it is biology. ” Here’s one of the big reasons we are all going quite mad. Here’s a Youtube vid of “Marshall McLuhan on tribalization and the loss of identity in the global village” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtFB_nMej20 I didn’t own a computer until about 10 years ago. I can’t imagine what it’s like for young people having lived all their lives with their faces stuck in computers and cell phones,not to mention video games. They must live in a completely different… Read more »

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Username glitch….

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The need for a new elite is best met by a 5th position approach. We could try to reconstruct a Rube Goldberg system of checks, balances and rational incentives for the Empire, but any system can be subverted by lawyers and sophists. The Founders’ idea that you could make bad men govern well with checks and balances was hubris, and we’re witnessing the age of nemesis. Character begins in childhood, and we need to build communities where our children can be nurtured to elevate kin, community, nation, duty, honor and noblesse oblige more than selfish, personal Enlightenment values. It’s up… Read more »

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Exile, I too would like a new “civic” religion to replace the old Christianity we seem to have “outgrown”. But I suggest, it is easier to reduce the power of the “uncivic” among us, than to improve their behavior. To that effect, we need to change from universal suffrage to earned suffrage. One often lambasts the Founders in the creation of this nation. But how does this nation’s operation/organization now reflect the nation’s organization left to us by the Founders? The Founders for example did not implement a system of universal suffrage, nor could they imagine such. It is we,… Read more »

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In a new ethnostate, I would suggest limiting voting to a) White men who b) are fathers and c) net taxpayers, not benefit recipients and d) aren’t guilty of serious crimes or major civil malfeasance.

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Good start for a robust discussion. I’d advance the age of suffrage as well. At the turn of the century, an 18 yo had a wife, a kid and a job. Today we have about a third of college grad’s living in their parents basements.

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Compsci: “It is we, the people, who later voted the changes we now see as one of the root causes of our current predicament.” I would argue the fault was more the judicial branch with its unintended accretion of power, as well as our tolerance for poorly behaved outliers. For example, 8 of the original states had rules in place, which the Constitution did not automatically abrogate, requiring not merely property but also profession of the Christian faith to hold office. I realize that is no automatic guarantee of moral behavior, but even that attempt was subverted early on. Although… Read more »

Carrie
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Definitely like your new term: “Dindugeld.”

Excellent.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

“Once you pay the Dindugeld, you shall never be free of the Dindu”

Exile
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Dissidents can’t afford “millions for war not a penny for tribute” principles – realistically, if you lack the strength to take on a stronger power, you buy them off and build your strength. Even Rome paid tribute when necessary. Only when a much stronger enemy can extort you and prevent your growth simultaneously are you forced into the fight. See the US from the Revolution to 1812 – we overplayed our hand in 1812 and almost died in the cradle.

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I’ve said it before, but it is more germane than ever: There is no political right worth speaking of. Anyone with an interest in politics per se should be looking for a place at the table on the left. The progressive wing of the DNC is where you can apply pressure to the neoliberal elite.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Please define the bugbear known as neoliberalism.

Exile
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Exile

Atomized consurmerist individualism, atheist materialism, entropic family formation, blank-slate Lysenkoist science, Harrison Bergeron style egalitarianism, rent-seeking multinational Woke Capital, anarcho-tyrannical who-whom law enforcement, with severe restrictions on political, legal and cultural liberties/freedom of disassociation with “liberty” almost wholly confined to the sexual sphere.

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Ostei Kozelskii

That is “a” definition. I’ve heard many others, and they’re all pretty much mutually incompatible. Ultimately, neoliberal is a meaningless epithet not unlike fascist.

Issac
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Neoliberalism is Tikun Olam.

Exile
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That definition matches pretty much everything I’ve encountered over the last few years in alt right and dissident right politics. the community seems to have a pretty good idea of what constitutes neoliberalism. Max Boot and Bill kristol used to say that neoconservative was a meaningless term without a coherent definition, but we all knew what a neocon was even when half of us were neo cons.

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Ostei Kozelskii

It’s funny, because usage of the term neoliberalism in academia apparently began soon after pomo homo AWR philosopher Michel Foucault began using it as a term of disparagement toward everything and everybody to the right of Trotsky.

Alzaebo
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The site Naked Capitalism used the term constantly, I could never figure out exactly who it was they were sneering at.

John Smith
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It is a truism that people get the govt they want and deserve Z. The old saying goes “be careful what you wish for…”

We really, really need to be careful going forward…

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Need to stop that Tom Jefferson guy from Fedposting.
Could lead to trouble.

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Barn Jollycorn said: “Need to stop that Tom Jefferson guy from Fedposting. Could lead to trouble.” “Fedposting”, just an updated description of an agent provocateur. It’s easy to beat one of those turds. Humor is your first step just laugh in the guy’s face. Then gently but firmly tell that puss rag that violence of any kind is out of the question. No matter who on this site talks about violence or any other illegal activities, simply tell them to knock it the hell off.

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To pick a nit in an otherwise fine piece: ” The movie Wall Street or the popular TV show Family Ties are good examples. There you have heroic figures, who are pure materialists, with no sense of duty to their fellow man. Getting rich, by any means necessary, was a social good in itself.” Regarding Wall Street, Oliver Stone certainly didn’t intend G. Gecko to be a hero. Remember, this is Oliver Stone. The fact that people did admire GG, even quoting his speeches (“Greed is good”) and one-liners unironically (“If you want a friend, get a dog”) dismayed him.… Read more »

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I agree with Z that the ultra-rich have become villains. And I think he is correct in diagnosing the overweening materialism and self regard of the so-called “conservatives” among this group. However, I think a second factor is that a large percentage of the ultra-rich have eschewed conservatism altogether (if they ever were conservative) and have adopted AWR as their ideology. Leftists such as Slavoj Zizek have feared that capitalism will co-opt the Left. Instead, what has happened is that that Left has co-opted capitalism. All one has to do is view corporate advertising–if you have the stomach–read corporate Statements… Read more »

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The left has played their part as well. It is their job to construct a false narrative so that we will become defensive because of the falsity of the constructed narrative. For example, when the left bitches about the excesses of the militarized police in America, it is never solely about the police being jackbooted. The left (anti-whites) spin a yarn about how the militarized police are constructed to keep the good POC in their place and about how the good POC, especially blacks, are “criminalized” by “over-policing” and put in a “cradle to prison pipeline” for the corrupt capitalists… Read more »

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I would make a wonderful elite. I volunteer.

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Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Wicked thing! I saw what you did there.

Tykebomb
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To play devils advocate, emphasis on the devil, the Elite do have a peculiar view of our interest. They believe in an utopian vision of all of us lazing our lives away at creative, computer jobs. You can see this in the utter revulsion they have at manufacturing jobs being brought back stateside. They’d rather the government shepard us through every facet of our lives than have a vibrant middle class working manufacturing or other blue collar jobs. So the racial hierarchy of immigrants slaving on their yards is the preferred solution. And it’s cheaper to them in the now.

Yves Vannes
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We no longer have a functioning civilization because the estates (castes) that evolved have been so corrupted and turned on their head that chaos rules the day. In an age that worships miasma it is the slime that rises to the top. Parasites who would have been kept in check in a sane age now set the agenda and rule. Yes, they are superior at being manipulative lowlifes in a civilization that idealizes mammon and orgasm. An aristocracy of vermin. And they are well aware of what they are and that their power is knotted with flimsy propaganda and not… Read more »

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A new elite indeed. My worry is to what pool a new elite would be selected from. Conservative inc. seems to offer up few candidates. The rot has seemingly consumed the military. Academia is bereft of reasonable people for the most part. Perhaps we do need a period of chaos so that the decks can be cleared and new ruthless and smart leadership can arise from the states or business communities. The prep school ivy league pipeline to leadership needs to be thoroughly eradicated.

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Sid; Nothing like a war to throw up a new set of elites. For the first generation or two following a big war, the surest ticket to the top was to have shown distinction in that war. I’d name names but the list is way too long. *However*, to wish for a war just to change out the feckless grifters-in-charge is perverse in the extreme, considering all the death and destruction entailed. But, no worries, knowing history and human nature, having feckless grifters in charge is a really good way of getting a war. By now we all should know… Read more »

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A new elite born of the commitment to Aristotelian virtues, particularly with temperance habituated by thrift and self-reliance would be a wonder to behold. But the programming that began in the late 80s has sunk the mindworm pretty deep in the proles. Popular culture espousing the rich was much more ubiquitous and iniquitous, particularly on television. Whether explicit, with shows like Dallas or Dynasty, or implicit, with Fantasy Island or the Love Boat. Money was portrayed as the root of all good things. The absolute nadir was Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous; hosted by the odious Robin Leach, with… Read more »

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This is one of the best Zman posts I’ve read. I adhere to my decades old principles that the most effective corporate tax is zero, as is the best minimum wage. Yet, it’s clear that the “robber barons” of the past were better rich people than today’s billionaires. Long after Zuckerman and Bezos are dead and forgotten, folks will still benefit from the philanthropy of Carnegie and his kind.

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Once the Cold War was over the war industrial complex went looking for another boogie man to keep those white middle class voters and TAXPAYERS marching in lockstep to the war drums. The fact is that the United States has been on a war footing since probably about 1939 or so (the US didn’t get “caught” by Pearl Harbor – they knew damn well something was coming – and war production had already been thought about , planned – and even started long before the Japs attacked). It was really the FDR administration that set us down this path. First… Read more »

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Laurence Vance is right: perhaps more contempt, disdain, ridicule, and scorn should be directed at the fly-over types who want “to serve” the empire by inflicting misery upon Abdul and Ahmed only to come home miserable themselves with nothing to show for their “service” other than PTSD, amputated limbs, and a much higher chance of offing themselves.

No elite has forced Johnny to march off into war since Vietnam

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Cal, the only thing I might add to your wonderful insight is that we *are* already at war with Iran. Not sure the American public understands what the definition of war is anymore. Seems we have persistent visions of fleets leaving our shore and men and armaments storming far away beaches. Anytime you have “sanctions”, you have defacto war with the sanctioned country. The form is different, but the intent is the same and in some cases the casualty rate is no different for our “enemy”. Not coming down on one side of the issue or the other, just saying… Read more »

J Rob
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Calsdad says: “I simply don’t remember any substantial periods of time in my entire freaking life when this country hasn’t either been at war – or being prepared for the next one. This is a wholly abnormal state of affairs.” Not so. You might want to read Fletcher Prouty’s The Secret Team, and listen to his interviews in various YouTube videos. Prouty contends that war is the primary stabilizing factor in the political structure of nation states. Leaders tell their people that there are bad guys over the hill who want to invade, kill all the men, take all the… Read more »

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Al from da Nort

Cal; Can verify your statements about US WWII mobilization starting in 1939 despite domestic political opposition. I learned this researching the WWII Army Air Corps service of a couple of near relatives of my parents. Both joined the day after Pearl Harbor and stepped into a system that was well organized, though overstretched, went to training bases that were already established, though now undersized, worked on planes that had been already designed and had been put into (previously limited) production, etc. Factories went to three shifts from one, training went to 12/7 from 9/5-1/2, etc. Not easy peasy but nothing… Read more »

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Consumerism is not something that can be laid at the feet of Buckleyites. It’s an outgrowth of the 19th Amendment. At least 85% of all spending in America is done by women. Look at a mall. Any useless product is being sold exclusively to women. That’s their nature. Women cannot conceive of paying back a debt. It’s why women hold the majority of credit card debt. It’s why as soon as women became the majority of college students, billing taxpayers to cover college loans became a huge political issue. Nothing can be solved while women vote. Every problem can be… Read more »

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Before, the wealthy often got that way by doing something useful, with Adam Smith’s invisible hand. Now the Financial pillagers of wall street burn down companies to strip them of assets so they can pay themselves. I term it “Bain Capitalism” and point to Mitt Willard Romney. But the root cause is the eliminating of Christianity from the equation, and I don’t know what it could be replaced with, that would cause people to value the same things Christians would – things eternal, or objectively true, beautiful, and good. There is often great difficulty in great works, so why suffer… Read more »

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Chad Bigly

Some of you have your heads up your asses. Better off if Trump lost?!?! Not doing anything on immigration?!? It took more than one term to get us into this situation, it’s goiing to take more than a few years under Trump to fix it. Especially when Trump has had to fight practically the entire DC establishment to get anything done. Yet some of you can’t stop WHINING like little b!tches that Daddy Trump hasn’t fixed everything yet. You’re pathetic. You’re witnessing arguably the greatest president in over a hundred years and all you idiots can do is complain. Losers.

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So true. WFB was a known CIA asset. Also, there is a weird JFK assassination connection with that guy’s brother. The “conservatives” were infiltrated by trotskyites and special people, but I repeat myself. Stalin sure did know a few things, and one of them is that all trotskyites must be eliminated. ASAP.

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Truly, I think the best form of government is either a strong monarchy with basic rights and/or the Florence model, where you had a ruler selected for like a 1-2 year term from a select group of men and that was it. Universal suffrage is insanity.

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Johnny55 said: ” …I think the best form of government is either a strong monarchy with basic rights and/or the Florence model, where you had a ruler selected for like a 1-2 year term from a select group of men and that was it.” Actually the Lord’s Prayer described the best form of government.

Matthew 6:9-13 “Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven…” Anything short of that and ya got problems.

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What we need is a new priesthood, not new CEOs. Woke NYT writers aren’t rich, and aren’t even motivated by money. The billionaires are mostly just playing Havel’s greengrocer.

Blaming the capitalists is Marxist bullshit. The average VP doesn’t know what his “Trust and Safety” team is actually doing and definitely doesn’t know how to fix it. If you replaced the religion, most of the managers and CEOs would immediately begin regurgitating the new shibboleths. They’re doing what the system makes them do.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

We do have a working model from the past.

Back in those terrible libertarian days of my grandparents, before Federal war planners had taken over the country and economy, there was this little thing by free citizens called vigilantes.

Range Front Fault
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Vigilantes didn’t have those pesky little intrusive devices called CCTV. Even that dumbfuck Smollett got caught on CCTV but because he’s a pet he gets a pass.Tough to be a vigilante these days, ain’t it. You’d really have to plan.

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Range Front Fault said: “Tough to be a vigilante these days, ain’t it. You’d really have to plan.” I’ll tell what’s even tougher is using your head instead of your ass to find soutions to your problems. If your looking for a way to help your people, get a job, get married and have some kids. And tell them it’s a beautiful thing to be the descendants of Anglo-Europians.

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Think Beltway Sniper and “unintended consequences”. Don’t limit to just one target group or weapon system.

The Beltway sniper terrorized the capital and the elites couldn’t do a thing about it because they used a trick they red about in a Army sniper manual that anyone can download for free.

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Rod1963 said: ” The Beltway sniper terrorized the capital and the elites couldn’t do a thing about it because they used a trick they red about in a Army sniper manual that anyone can download for free.” Hahahaha! lovely, absolutely lovely. Now we’re singing the praises of black sociopaths. What next, Snoop Dogg for President? 😜

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Hate Twitter:

“When injustice become law, rebellion becomes duty.”

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@Alzaebo. Hunter S.Thompson said: ” When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.”

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Re: ” Probably the worst thing Buckley conservatives did to their middle-class white supporters is instill in them an unconditional love of rich people. Conservatism accomplished very little, but one thing it did amazingly well is hypnotize middle-class whites into instinctively and ferociously defending the rights and privileges of the rich and powerful. Even today, the most racially aware white still gets a little angry when they hear an Ocasio-Cortez or Liz Warren rail against the rich.” I don’t think you understand the dynamics here. “Love of rich people” (and I don’t really think that is what it is) –… Read more »

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Calsdad….very full of thought post. I am a disaffected Lefty. I don’t have your background to understand history by understanding our roots of politics, nation or historical finances. I know I am blinkered. Through a glass darkly and all that. And often I know….when I don’t know. I’m quite pessimistic. This is what I wrote earlier today in my morning blackpilled frame of reference and didn’t post until now. It’s all your fault: For you who want to krall up with like-minded people and learn back-to-the-land skills (survival skills are a degree beyond)….this is a good website. Great title RURAL… Read more »

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Carlsdad: I think there’s also the question of self determination, or what others today term anti-fragility. I want FU money so that I can say what I want and live as I please, not to purchase overpriced rags designed by gays and peddled by Jews. If I won the lottery I wouldn’t buy anyone I know a damn car – I’d pay off the mortgage for a select few and put aside $ for my boys, and I’d fund every aspect of the dissident right. To me, money represents freedom from repression (and no more arguments with or stress for… Read more »

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Cal, spot-on. The more astute white middle class, particularly those in the enterprising class, understand that calls for the imposition of a billionaire’s tax and more financial regulations mean more hurdles for them to surmount. They know that more regulations almost always impose costs that the entrenched multi-nationals can more easily absorb. They also know that more regulations mean more bureaucrats and more public employee unions and more compliance rackets. None of the foregoing leads to a healthier society. What Z and so many others here fail to grok is that the aspiration for financial success by means of enterprise… Read more »

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This is mostly modern revisionist history. The settlers of America did *not* come “to get rich” – you don’t go to a frontier to become a millionaire. Having “something to call your own” was an English and broader N. European tradition far before it ever came to America. Wanting to be a householder is not the same as wanting to become ‘rich’. The English middle classes prided themselves on *not* being like the wealthy landholders. As for the settlers of the USA… The Puritan separatists came to the USA to set up their theocracy that they were trying to have… Read more »

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First, free enterprise, and the aspiration to conduct a business and own land, is one thing; the desire to be one of a handful of oligarchs who own / control 90% of the wealth is another. Do you agree? Second, that some who came to the New World were motivated by communitarian / religious reasons, does not thereby mean that there were not significant others who desired to be business owners and property holders. Third, I do not deny that the more base, the more backward, the more evil, the more flagitious, the more foul, and the more profligate elements… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Well shhh….inola!
A bit of forward signaling by the elite:

New York Times Praises Soviet Union For Unprecedented Gender Equality In Gulag Labor Camps

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Even Joe Sobran, as well-grounded as he was, was an anti-tax obsessive. Anti, as in, there should be NO taxes. I don’t think paleos had enough to write about back then, so they’d fixate on taxes, Bill Clinton, abortion, and what the Catholic ones liked calling “sodomites”. It wasn’t till late in his life that Sobran clued-in about immigrants. If I recall, some of his buddies like Brimelow took him aside and set him straight. Before that, as a good Catholic, he was glad to welcome his family-loving soulmates from Mexico. And wrote many pro-immigration columns.

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I bought an interesting book some time ago, ‘French Corporative Theory, 1789-1948’, by Matthew H. Elbow, and I was reading the first few pages the other day. This quotation from it seems relevant to Zman’s essay (and I agree strongly with it): “Among the theories which the corporatists borrowed from St. Thomas Aquinas were his stewardship concept of property, with “the implication that its use should redound to the good of society, and that compulsion might be used where the owner failed in his duty,”” I think the natural evolution of capitalism and democracy, which naturally evolves into plutocrat oligarchy… Read more »

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“I bought an interesting book some time ago, ‘French Corporative Theory, 1789-1948.” Mister you’re a better man than I.

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SamlAdams

For nearly 30 years have spent the summer in what is increasingly the playland of the oligarchs. And each year it simply gets worse. The jets get bigger, the houses are more monstrous, the observed behavior in day to day interactions worse. And the generation of offspring they are breeding are worthless. They have outlived their usefulness.

george
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george

An example of the offspring getting worse are Jared and Ivanka.

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SamlAdams

Compared to what I see here, Ivanka would be a standout of work ethic and responsibility. You haven’t lived until you’ve been lectured on environmental responsibility by a 20 something wastrel who is squatting in Dad’s 5000 sq ft beach house and driving the Range Rover to parties on the island all summer. Couple interesting data points on the Trump kids. Buddy of mine used to hunt with the ex-NYPD guy that was the driver/bodyguard for the Trump kids during their school years. Had drinks with him a couple times (was before the political stuff). Trump kept close tabs and… Read more »

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

OT: The nig family throw down at Disneyland is going to red pill a shiton of mush headed whites: true or false?

DraveckysHumerus
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DraveckysHumerus

That event, the NYPD hose down and increasing social disorder across the country are raising awareness. If you see it, record it and render it viral and the red pills shall register.

Edited to add: carry a firearm properly calibered with rounds expansionist and bonded. Properly handled, you will command respect if challenged by violence else you can endit.

BadThinker
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Pretty sure it’s already been forgotten and the next news item is coming along. Sites like World Star Hip Hop are providing the same material day in and day out and the mush heads aren’t changing at much. Maybe we’ll see some movement but the thing is – most whites KNOW this already. They just compartmentalize it and refuse to allow it to affect their Views.

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The current cultural war in America is between Good Whites, who love liberty for themselves and their posterity, and Bad Whites, Who hate liberty, themselves, and their fellow Whites. I suggest we on the dissident right start using this nomenclature to describe what is going on. Heritage White Americans – good. Marxist Whites – bad. There is no doubt that Good Whites will eventually win. You may doubt me, but hear me out – POCs are little more than pawns who know they can’t survive unless they live near Good Whites. If you doubt me, consider how that very few… Read more »