Impeaching Democracy

The world does not have much experience with democracy. What we know of it comes from the century or so the West been tinkering with it and, of course, what can be learned from the ancient Greek experiment with it. Unlike monarchy or various forms of despotism, democracy has had a relatively short run. We have more real world experience with various types of totalitarianism than we do democracy, so it stands to reason that we are just coming to understand its benefits and liabilities.

One thing we are learning about modern democracy is that it is a myth. The people are not in charge. They get to vote on things and select representatives, but those representative don’t actually represent the interests of the people, who voted them into their positions. The office holders in a modern democracy represent the interests of the money-men who sponsored them. Politicians in a democracy are like prize fighters, in that they are controlled by a management team.

Like a price fighter, one of the demands placed upon a modern politician is that he must at all times seek the attention of the public. Much of what we see in our modern democracies is false drama, designed to gain attention. This is why women have proven to be so successful as politicians. Women are naturally gifted with the ability to get attention, especially through false drama. It turns out that democracy is a form of governance modeled on the beauty pageant.

This is the point of the impeachment fiasco. The Democrats are the party of girls and gay men, so they naturally seek drama. Trump’s great sin is that he is a great showman, so he gets all the attention. Impeachment allows the vagina party to one-up him and force him to pay attention to them. If you look at the people celebrating in the streets, it’s lesbians and middle-aged woman. They are not celebrating because they hate Trump. They are happy someone is noticing them.

Another feature of modern democracy is its insularity. Again, this impeachment fiasco offers some insights. Outside of the rage heads on the Left, no one cares. It’s not even interesting as a civics lesson. Months of marketing this thing by the ruling class media has just dulled interest in the subject. Like the new Star Wars movie, the word it out and the public is not being suckered in by the hype. Impeachment 3, Blowhard With A Vengeance is a box office flop.

Despite public apathy, the ruling class continues to put on their show as if they are in front of a roaring crowd. Besotted old Nancy Pelosi staggered out in a funeral dress, thinking she was giving Mark Antony’s funeral speech. The flunkies, coat holders and seat warmers all took turns delivering their best lines, mostly to one another and the panting press corp. If this were a movie, the critics would give it five stars, while the public would give it two stars and the cold shoulder.

That’s the thing about the French Revolution that is germane here. The Jacobins and the aristocracy were black boxes to one another. At several turns, the King and his supporters in the old order could have avoided disaster, but always read things wrong and made the wrong mistake. At the same time, the rebels could not discern the forces controlling the old order. Both sides were left to guess as to why the other was doing what they were doing. The result was revolution.

That seems to be true with impeachment, as well. The public and some parts of the GOP establishment are baffled as to why the Democrats are doing this. The Republicans are grasping about at the approved list of answers, but none of them make much sense. The public seems to be baffled by it all. Even Trump, who has been trying to use this to drum up support is struggling to make sense of it. The workings of the inner party are a black box, even to the people in Washington.

One reason for this, in addition to the insularity, is the fact that modern democracy needs a ruling ideology to legitimize itself. In this regard, it is no different from communism, which claims to be the most democratic and egalitarian of modern political models. If everyone is in charge, then no one is in charge, so ideology sets the rules and legitimizes the process. Just as with communism, the ideology eventually intensifies and burns itself out, usually in a blood bath.

Now, one always has to consider the nefarious in these matters. That is one of the defining features of modern democracy. The people assume that vice is the primary motivator of their public servants. Greed, sexual perversion, gluttony, envy and so on are the default assumptions when analyzing democratic politics. It is one of the ironies of democracy. The system that boasts of being morally superior to natural hierarchical rule is assumed to be driven by the seven deadly sins.

In this case, many assume, and not without evidence, that this whole charade is a complex move to cover up the Ukraine scandal. Team Trump had stumbled onto evidence that many Democrats were on the take by Ukrainian oligarchs. In order to prevent this from becoming a public issue, they manufactured this phony Ukraine collusion story to then hold impeachment hearings. It is a version of 4-D chess to explain the bizarre behavior of the Left.

In fairness, there may be truth to it. Pelosi was dead set against impeachment until she had a secret meeting with the Lawfare people, who ran the Ukraine scam. Suddenly she was in favor of impeachment. Now they seem to be pushing her to stall sending the articles to the Senate, in order to prevent a trial next year. Ostensibly, they don’t want Team Trump presenting evidence or calling witnesses. The fear is, so the story goes, his team will dish dirt on them and their Ukraine dealings.

That’s a bit conspiratorial, but after learning that the FBI, CIA and the Obama administration orchestrated a wide ranging plot to overturn the last election, it is no longer responsible to dismiss conspiracy theories. It is clear that the ruling class is no longer operating by the official rules. Instead, it is like as a gangster state. Wealthy interests buy favors. The politicians scheme with and against one other on behalf of their benefactors. It is one big corrupt scramble.

In that same vein, this ridiculous drama could simply be the distraction to push through laws that the public detests. For example, Trump will giddily sign off on a defense bill that gives amnesty to Liberian migrants. The whole point of Liberia was to send our Africans back to Africa. Now we are importing them back. No one knows what else the schemers are pushing through Congress, as all the news is about impeachment and the public is turning away from the whole thing.

In the end, it really does not matter what is behind impeachment. It is just another indictment of democracy as a political system. It is a system in which no one appears to be in charge, because the people foolishly think their votes matter. Instead, the people really in charge are the parasites and pirates that feed off the organic social capital of the people. The embrace of democracy is the embrace of a cancer that will eventually weaken and kill the body of the people.


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UFO
UFO
9 months ago

Ultimately all that matters are demographics.

Other than cutting refugees by 80,000 per year (which is good), Trump has done absolutely nothing to prevent demographic shift.

Look at Venezuela… they’re eating rats and shitting in the street and the brown people still vote en masse for their corrupt socialist.

Soon the people like Pelosi will have the numbers to permanently rule over us. We’ll see how nice democracy is then.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  UFO
9 months ago

Democracy is now currently defined in Europe as “a country run by Jews.”

– Ezra Pound

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
9 months ago

That’s new to me: Thanks.

I’ll be using that.

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Epaminondas
9 months ago

Ezra Pound: American who moved to Europe, became Mussolini’s and Hitler’s propagandist, arrested by Americans for treason in 1945, proclaimed unfit to stand trial and spent the rest of his life in an asylum.
Another proof of how little brainpower it takes to be an anti-semite.

Carrie Tydes
Carrie Tydes
Reply to  Epaminondas
8 months ago

except that Jews are emigrating from European countries because of the increasing anti-Semitism that the governments do nothing to stop.

Nathan
Nathan
Reply to  UFO
9 months ago

You sound like Rush Limbaugh with the “evil socialism” bit. America uses economic warfare on any country outside its sphere of influence and when the economy takes a dump, it’s supposedly their fault alone. These S. and Central American countries have their issues but pretending the US isn’t partly to blame is naive.

Then we get to take in the refugees because “the poor, sad people.” I hope you’re not buying “the poor oppressed Iranian wahmen need freedumb” bit too.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Nathan
9 months ago

Is that you, AOC?

Nathan
Nathan
Reply to  Carl B.
9 months ago

Wow, what a suck burn! Do you still have your Raygun commemorative plate on your mantle from 1992, boomer?

Next you’ll be telling me how we could have won in Vietnam except for the socialists!

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Nathan
9 months ago

Okay, Millennial.

Nathan
Nathan
Reply to  Carl B.
9 months ago

Wrong again, boomer. I’m an X’er. I know you’re a boomercon because you’re obsessed with the intellectual non-entity AOC, and it’s not just because of her politics. (o Y o)

Never forget the sixty billion gorillion boomer shower babies washed down the drain for Puerto Rican Mommy AOC.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Nathan
9 months ago

What’s the difference between an X’er and a Millennial asked no one.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Carl B.
9 months ago

“Confessions of an Economic Hitman”.

Maybe you need to do some reading.

Nathan is correct. And like he said: “then we get to take in all the refugees”.

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

the refugees are huge money, and that’s not even counting the suppression of wages. Let’s say you get two peasants from South America to immigrate and they get jobs as a janitor and a bus driver, and then they go out and buy a $250k house and finance a couple of cars to the tune of $40k. If you believe in the debt creation of money theory then that’s nearly $300k that’s been created by just 2 little illegals, multiply that by millions.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Nathan
9 months ago

We’ve been piggybacked.
We don’t call the shots, none of us wanted these things, and we weren’t asked.

Ask Ezra Pound, instead.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  UFO
9 months ago

This was on STRIKING display yesterday at that impeachment sham I was watching. Not sure if any of you watched it but you’d have to be blind not to notice where things are headed. Schiff would call his side for ‘testimony’ of 1-3 minute blocks making their case and it looked like this, literally: Jew, cat lady, black lady, black man, white enabler, jew, latino, cat lady, young socialist wahmen, black man, latino, cat lady, jew, black man, jew, white enabler. Republicans call theirs: White male, white male, white male, white male, white male, white male. The FIRST group is… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Apex Predator
9 months ago

And all those lefties jumped on every trope they could find to try to insert themselves into something important. They cited WW2, slabery, Russia, the Revolutionary War, and who knows what all. Trying to elevate a future “never mind” moment and a dumpster fire into something meaningful. It’s how they and their media minions roll.

Reality Check
Reality Check
Reply to  Apex Predator
9 months ago

The left is what it is, every reasonable person agrees. People need to get it through their skulls that the republicans are nothing but lying, treasonous frauds…

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
9 months ago

We have the vote and the right to bear arms. These are the mechanisms to police the government. Democracy requires a manly people. As we’ve become soft, materialistic— feminine—our government has changed to reflect us. Democracy works, for better or worse. It’s not necessarily good. There needs to be a moral authority outside to sustain it.

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

Ok, we have the right to bear arms. So who are you going to shoot? Think about it. What could you actually attack that would bring down the US government? Do you blow up a Federal building like Tim McVeigh? That accomplished – what? I always hear this talk about kicking some ass, but nobody ever seems to be able to identify a specific target. As Zman points out, in a democracy, and particularly US democracy, nobody is actually in charge. There’s no king to behead. Unless you can figure out how to execute the ruling class en masse, violence… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

Politics is local. The feds don’t worry about individuals. They worry about states, states worry about municipalities. The individual is very powerful locally, and power trickles up. We have it all backwards when we focus on DC.

And I’m not for rebellion but the credible threat of rebellion is very persuasive. Especially when the people have the means to pull it off.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

Congratulations – you at least understand something Bruno does not.

Virginia is shaping up to be an abject lesson that many ‘conservatives’ are going to have to be beaten about the head with.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

Cal;
Agree. As I said a few posts ago, ‘The point of the Sword of Damocles is that it hangs, not that it falls. Once it falls its main utility is over.’

IOW a credible threat is usually enough back off a cowardly. crooked politician. Besides, the pol’s bosses really don’t like disorder and uncertainty: Puts their cash flows at risk and their asset valuations in question.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Al from da Nort
9 months ago

Agree, great riff on sword of Damocles.

Gonna steal, thanks for Christmas present.

I do quibble that in falling the sword loses its utility. It’s utility merely changes.

Ultimately however Marshal Berthier was Right; you can do anything with bayonets but sit on them.

sheliak
sheliak
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

France and India are currently more advanced bellwethers than the US of the failures of democracy. A significant portion of the French population has been in open revolt in the streets against the EU globalist oligarchy for more than a year and has been successfully repressed by law enforcement and thrown only a few bare crumbs for their trouble. India currently experiments with seeking a successful democratic (unlike the Chinese) response to global islamic jihad and is wracked with nationwide violence. In France the people are ignored and exploited; in India the state is impotent to deal with an existential… Read more »

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  sheliak
9 months ago

In France workers striking against pension reform have virtually shut down the transportation network and are now occupying electrical substations and cutting the power for several hours to selected areas. I don’t think the French are beaten at all.

randian supremacist
randian supremacist
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

I think what’s going on in Virginia is a good start. The 2nd amendment sanctuary movement is starting to spread to other states too. If you think your local Sheriff and county government would be receptive it might be a good idea to get your own county on board with this.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  randian supremacist
9 months ago

This actually happened years ago in NY with the SAFE ACT. Sheriffs refused to enforce.

Enforcement (and fear) is on and at the gun store/FFL dealer. They are soooo….scared….of losing precious license. This is actual competence by the Feds. Now that doesn’t stop a man from getting what he wants, just raises the costs either in finished weapons or tools/time to DIY – but DIY is YUGE.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

“The feds don’t worry about individuals.” This is true for the sum total of the population, but usually all the feds have to do is hang a few of us to scare everyone else into submission. The key is for us to not be intimidated by the show trials. If the oligarchs that really run the show see large segments not backing down, they will back off.

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

The feds don’t worry about individuals? Randy Weaver may have something to say about that. *.gov worries about nothing BUT individuals… who are melanin-challenged persons-of-penis who talk about “credible threats” of rebellion (fedpoasting much?). The Folk in Chicago have a body count an order of magnitude higher than the Hells Angels, but only one of those orgs got a multidecade, multi-million dollar, multi agency federal taskforce to take them down.
Stop me if you’ve heard this before, but 4 atf agents, 3 FBI agents, 2 doj informants, and one patsy looking for free beer meet in a trailer…

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Educated.Redneck
9 months ago

You forgot the SPLC Guy.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

It’s true. Who do you kill? It was kind of a bright shining light, as bad as that sounds, when the pro-immigration mayor of this german town was shot in the head in his own home but he is just one guy and they’ve arrested the two right-wing shooters

I don’t see anything really changing unless basic services are disrupted in a big way

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Whitney
9 months ago
Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Whitney
9 months ago

Definitely NOT talking about killing anybody. Strictly political power. Plenty has been written about why the right to bear arms was legally recognized. Sheesh.

whitney
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

In real life, I have been called a white devil twice. I think your response might be similar

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  Whitney
9 months ago

The German Mayor was an excellent start. You can bet other pozzed politicos saw that and are chitting bricks. I would suggest that the killings be kept local. In the next summer chimp out, for example – when they are burning cars and smashing shop windows – just pick on baboon that makes for an easy shot and take it. Whether he dies or not is not a concern; the rest of them will run. So it goes for most vibrant riots in the third world. The sound of the shot is the announcement that The Law Of The Jungle… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  John Smith
9 months ago

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Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  John Smith
9 months ago

Poetry break submitted for your calm perusal and gentle consideration. “Armed of the gods! Divinest conqueror! What soundless hosts are thine! Nor pomp, nor state, Nor token, to betray where thou dost wait. All Nature stands, for thee, ambassador; Her forces all thy serfs, for peace or war. greatest and least alike, thou rul’st their fate,– The avalanch chained until its century’s date, The mulberry leaf made robe for emperor! Shall man alone thy law deny? –refuse Thy healing for his blunders and his sins? Oh, make us thine! Teach us who waits best sues; Who longest waits of all… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Whitney
9 months ago

Honestly – do you expect an answer?

But I like the trend line of commentary.

Everybody relax and enjoy christmas.

Cheers!

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

I don’t mean to be personally offensive, but TWO DAYS IN A ROW with this “who do you kill?” sort of question. WTH? Look, these are the sort of questions that only a fed, some sort of freelance agitator, or a very naive person would ask in a public forum. And it would be a much more naive person who answered with plans or gawd help us a list. For the love of God, let’s not have an online public discussion about killing politicians. The only thing that will be killed is this blog. I agree that shooting kids is… Read more »

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

This culture war is on the verge of getting serious. Now is not the time for virtue signalling or cucking out. In case you hadn’t noticed, the ballot box has failed. The soap box has failed. Socialists are hacking away at the foundations of your country.

Yes, you have said enough.

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  John Smith
9 months ago

Errrrr…. apropos of nothing at all, maybe… but stuff like this is why your second amendment is in your constitution.

The impeachment is not constitutional. The gun grabs in Virginia are not constitutional. Both qualify as acts of treason and sedition. Whether you sit on your hands gobbling in fright, or clutching at your pearls and swooning at the thought of killing, or if you pick up a rifle – you are going to have a say and a hand in creating what’s coming. I would hope like hell you dissidents choose to get involved.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  John Smith
9 months ago

I think the key distinction here is that violence from our side has to be a defensive reaction to the negation of our rights. Much as how you shoot an intruder is judged by whether it was self defense. If you shoot him inside your house while he is coming at you, it is clearly justified. If you shoot him in the back while he is running out of your yard, it is not. This can be a very fine line to walk. *Personal disclaimer to the NSA analyst reading this comment: I am against all violence of any kind… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  DLS
9 months ago

Violence is not necessarily the only, or most effective, reaction to negation of rights. Passive resistance has been shown to be an effective technique in certain circumstances. Remember, there are a lot of us—too many to handle within normal channels, if we all hang together. Not losing sight of the die hard Leftist’s that would sooner see us dead, but that’s not the majority of the population, not even close.

Basically, the first one to resort to violence, loses.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  John Smith
9 months ago

“Yes, you have said enough.”

Oh FFS. Apparently it wasn’t enough. Okay, since handing it over on a platter wasn’t enough, here it is applied with the cluebat:

This is a PUBLIC FORUM. Only idiots – or persons angling to get others in trouble – talk about plans for political violence, or agitate for armed rebellion, on a PUBLIC FORUM.

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

Gotcha. Being a public forum, we should only talk about stuff that won’t offend Lefty. Careful with that clue bat, you’ll hurt yourself with it. You remind me of that clown, Beeto ORourke when he was threatening to confiscate ARs and AKs. A certain Texas politician told Beeto that he and his AR were fully prepared for him to try it… and then Beeto started wailing and sobbing about threats! Shut up already. The question before the adults is when do we go from being dissidents to rebels? As our boy accidentally pointed out above, public forums are comprised. We’ve… Read more »

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

Thank you for that Mike.

B Stirge
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

Mike_C I get what you’re saying, and I agree with you. But can we make an exception for NY governor Andy Cuomo?

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  John Smith
9 months ago

Yes but answering differently will bring Uncle Fed to the Christmas Dinner, so relax and enjoy Christmas. As for events taking their course; relax. They will. The enemy is insane, corrupt, bankrupt and very frightened. Also cowards, and very callow and useless outside the managerial milleu. We are the most heavily armed population still at peace in history. The police and military (and ahem veterans who answer only to themselves) are loyal to the Constitution. We are in crisis that’s true. Make ready to stand to your duty as men. Gentlemen- Prepare to defend yourselves. https://youtu.be/YlOxiwGLAkY And listen I’ve missed… Read more »

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

I keep bringing it up because the subject of armed rebellion keeps coming up! But nobody seems to have given a thought as to what the mechanics of that would actually entail.

Realistically, there’s no discrete entity to rebel against. Even assassinating a president wouldn’t achieve any substantial political change.

Our situation is similar to that of the Soviet Union. There’s no chance of a rebellion because everyone knows 1.) it would be put down with overwhelming force, and 2.) there’s no act of political violence that would have much of an effect on the political order.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

Bruno, to extend your point, once the French had beheaded their king, there was no one to attack or go to, to make a real difference. It simply became all against all. Petty personal grievances and utopian fantasies all played out in blood in the streets. While the movements exhausted themselves, Napoleon prepared to step into the breach. Make sure our Napoleon is someone who represents what we believe in, that’s what we need to work on. The rest of it is observation and playing it smart.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

The oligarchs will fund a fake Napoleon to co-opt the movement, and the whole bureaucracy will regenerate.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  DLS
9 months ago

DLS;
Yes the oligarchs will *think* that their Napoleon will meekly follow their instructions only to get a highly unpleasant surprise once that guy has the reigns of power in his hands. Both the real Napoleon and the mustache guy took charge that way.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

Dutch

No one in the DR is offering any solution to our fate except to either run and hide or form “communities’. Neither of which are viable once Trump leaves.

Do you think even for a moment the Left will leave us alone after Trump is gone, do you?

The Left and BigTech will drop the hammer on us once Trump is gone this much is certain.

So all you DR know-it-alls whats is the DR solution to our predicament?

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Rwc1963
9 months ago

Rwc, the left will indeed never leave us alone. Have you ever been an inadvertent target of the local LEOs, facing a team of flak vested badge-wearers, not too far out of their teens, high on adrenaline, scared to death of walking into a trap, with itchy trigger fingers and serious weaponry pointed at you? If you have lived that out, it is a teaching moment you will learn some things from, and you will never forget it. At that point, if you are the intended target, it’s game over for you, whichever way it plays out. I’m more up… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

Dutch,

Wise and well said.

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  Rwc1963
9 months ago

Rwc and everyone else fedpoasting: The answer was before you his whole time: form communities irl. That is how you win these civilizational level clashes. We have been defeated because we have been atomized. Organization is the necessary precursor to meaningful action. The union flourishes because there is a huge membership roll paying $20 each so Patrick O’Mickey to go bray at every public official about how we need more union supporting legislation and more union public works projects; then there’s a union lawyer if he gets arrested for braying too aggressively, and a union job waiting if he gets… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

Napoleon is a good comparison to our situation. Where would our Napoleon come from? Not the military, police or intelligence services. They are all on the other side at a high level. It would have to be a grass roots Napoleon otherwise, as Trump and Bolsonaro have shown, they are submissive to the tribe. All of which means we likely won’t get a Napoleon.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

Sure.
Observe.
Play it smart.
Make sure (how?)

OttoVonB
OttoVonB
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

Guerilla tactics is the answer

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

My lord Bruno- read up.

And this isn’t the USSR 🤣🤪

Mark Taylor
Mark Taylor
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

I agree, everything starts with organization. Being armed is not sufficient for anything.

A legitimate opposition would look to gain power at first in local government and then the state. The rebels would need to gain the loyalty of some politicians and Generals.

Manipulating the political system is probably the best way forward.

Udeda
Udeda
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
8 months ago

Two words; strategic assassinations.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

My point was that nobody messes with the big guy, because they might get their butt kicked. He doesn’t have to fight because he’s intimidating. The threat is implicit in his being, regardless of his words, actions, or intentions.

Not pinning it on you. I assume you understand. But this is kindergarten civics. There’s centuries of law and commentary behind it.

If anything makes me suspicious there are feds here, it’s this misunderstanding of fundamentals. Or maybe re-education was wildly successful.

Ayatollah Rockandrollah
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

Yeah, I’m with you. These are the kinds of posts that get sites in a lot of trouble. Let’s knock it off, people. Not every thought that crosses your head needs to be memorialized online in a very public square. And we’re speaking to a crowd here that already *knows* the score. We’re not idiots. We can draw conclusions between the lines.

These are called “fedposts” elsewhere for a reason.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

Many Canadian dissidents are far more radical than American ones. I have noticed.

What they have in lack of numbers they make up for in their “chutzpah”… appears to be all talk thus far. I never condone violence, however, despite also being a Canadian dissident.

Albino Walrus
Albino Walrus
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

For the love of God, let’s not have an online public discussion about killing politicians. The only thing that will be killed is this blog. Could not agree more. There is absolutely no good, and a massive amount of harm, that can come from such a discussion. What’s more, it is precisely both (1) this type of talk and (2) these incidents, when and where they’ve happened (Breivik, the German mayor, the El Paso shooting, the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, etc.), that are used REPEATEDLY by the Left as their claimed justification for (1) taking away free speech rights and (2)… Read more »

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

Mike Look I’m not advocating violence. the Left will start it all on their own if given the opportunity. Whether it is killing gun owners in their own homes or doing mass arrests for some imagined deed. The Left will overstep it’s bounds and start something. It’s just a matter of when not if. That said, the Left and the ruling class via organs like the NYT, Atlantic and other pubs have made it clear they want heritage whites dead and gone. Others are most indirect and just publicly support open borders to destroy us that way. There is no… Read more »

Homer
Homer
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
9 months ago

The correct optics would be to uphold the rule of law. The legal system has to pick one of the traitors who spied on Trump, took payoffs from Ukraine, or took payoffs from Russia, or who took millions of Russian dollars into their charitable foundation in exchange for political favors, or some apparatchik who opened her servers to Chinese and Russian spies……pick one and put them on trial for treason. Then get a legal conviction for treason and hang someone in a public square. Make the left pay under the rule of law. It shouldn’t be that hard.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

Congratulations – this is the same dumbassery I hear out of every conserv-o-tard I know every time this subject comes up.

You obviously understand nothing about the Republic as it was originally designed, WHY it was setup that way – why the militia existed, why Americans fight so hard to retain the right to own firearms, why gun ownership does not = violence, etc.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

Start by somehow “overthrowing” Corporate “News”/Entertainment Media conglomerates which have assumed the role of the Church in Western democracies. It is the Media who decide right from wrong, what is moral vs immoral, and are the main agitators in service to the Social Justice Warriors which plague Western society.

Member
Reply to  Carl B.
9 months ago

Since religious authority declined in the West and local culture was almost entirely replaced by mass produced garbage this has been the problem. The “church of public opinion” is the only remaining source of legitimacy for anything. The problem is that the “churchmen” are now largely a bunch of hysterical women, gays and other degenerates, and sleazy purveyors of cynical pop music, television, and movies that can be, and perhaps are, generated by AIs. The official church dogma is just “progressivism” which is simply a sort of secular ersatz of Christianity. No one dares try to think through the exact… Read more »

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

Optics are for politicians.

Sure there are people in charge, they just happen to be various monied interests. Get rid of them and you change the political dynamic.

For example who pushed NAFTA on America? It was big business and investment bankers like Rubin. It’s all public info.

Who is pushing open borders? Again business interests and their fronts like CATO, AEI, Brookings, etc.

Then you just have the really, really rich like Bezos and the TechTitans who basically own all of Congress.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

In agreement w/ everyone else here. You -stink- of fedpost. You –really– cannot figure out who your targets would be? Really? This means you are either dumb as a bag of hammers and should be nowhere near a counter-insurgency or you are a purposeful shill. Neither is a good option, but pick one. I can give you 10 targets right now off the top of my head that are easily gotten to and would cause tremendous distress in their local AO some human, some material. But I’m not going to give them to you agent. Because there are other forums… Read more »

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  Apex Predator
9 months ago

If you want to learn about ‘who to target’ there is a wealth of info available online about how to run one of these little operations from the long history of people attempting them. Yeah, well, “attempted” doesn’t exactly fill me with tidings of comfort and joy. Where are the success stories? The only results I’ve seen from these clowns that are all fired up to go charging off to battle with their swords in one hand and their balls in the other is that they end up with a long stretch at Club Fed, if they’re lucky enough not… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
9 months ago

The 300 million guns were conserved. As was the 2d amendment. A physical check on tyranny, physical safety in your hand.

As for safe interface …no.
Nor good optics.

But quite tangible.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

Was it Will Rogers who said democracy is that form of government where the people get what they vote for, good and hard?

DLS
DLS
Reply to  c matt
9 months ago

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

H. L. Mencken

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

The replies here are correct. Threat of armed violence is not the answer; it’s counter-productive in fact, The answer is mass demonstration. Think blocked highways, refusal to pay taxes, refusal to participate in said government action, Yellow Vests stuff.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Marko
9 months ago

Um yeah – because “protests” accomplished so much up to now. The correct way to change things is to do what seems to be happening in Virginia right now. 1) The government finally oversteps enough to wake people so that they take REAL action. 2) Instead of going off half-cocked and blowing up a building or prostrating themselves in front of the State House in a “protest”. – they stay home and declare thru political action ” that’s a nice law you just passed – we’re not going to obey it”. 3) At least somebody in the ” go screw… Read more »

DaveA
DaveA
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

The Virginia Democrats are geniuses; they think an incipient civil war can be averted by telling the other side to hand over their guns. Why didn’t the Yugoslavs think of that?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

I might add—if anything can be added to Cals great posting—that much of what is needed wrt a preparation for forceful resistance (if it comes to that) can be done with zero violence and no firearms. It involves organization, training, and field craft. No guns needed.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Compsci
9 months ago

I would also add “community” to that. I can’t think of a better way to get MEN together in “community” – than to require militia training once a month. Up on Peaks Island (Portland ME harbor) – there are two buildings that were built by Maine regiments that fought in the Civil War. Note that during the Civil War – the “militia” still nominally existed. State regiments – made up of men from the same area – were what the war was fought with. The modern army unit – where men from all over the country are thrown together in… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

This is an excellent post. This needs to be amplified. The US as it currently stands is ungovernable and needs to split. It’s still possible for it to be fairly peaceful. Americans, both blue and red, are still fairly well off and mobile. There are now three precedents: sanctuary cities, marijuana legalization states, and now 2A sanctuary counties. Let’s keep the fragmentation trains rolling (in opposite directions of course). BTW, I think Marko there in referencing the Yellow Vests is making a point that (might) still be valid in Europe. You can still get out in the streets of Paris… Read more »

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

Cal; Besides all that you laid out in your very thorough exposition above, these patriots should be bombarding the VA Guard members with the fact that they are *not* required to obey clearly unconstitutional orders. **And in-discriminant arms seizure orders are clearly unconstitutional.** Their officers are *forbidden by regulation* from obeying clearly unconstitutional orders, or at least this was so during the Cold War years.^ This fact should be clearly articulated by any and all means possible. Local sheriffs and chiefs-of-police will be listening: It affects them too. The main point is to introduce high uncertainty into the proggy politicians’… Read more »

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

You really think the Feds and Left will play fair don’t you? First off, the Feds will never allow whites to organize in the manner you speak of, let alone toss out the current regime in Richmond. The ruling class see things like this as threats to them and it will be treated as such. You are literally proposing to stick the bear in the eye with a red hot poker and hope the hell he doesn’t tear your face off and eat your libertarian carcass. If the people of Virginia are smart, they will stay out of Richmond and… Read more »

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

Ok Boomer.
You say protests never went anywhere or do anything, and yet the world is now ruled by the people who were “wasting their time protesting” back in your youth. Learn from your generation’s mistakes. Copy the tactics that work, abandon those that fail.

“Organizing a militia” is a great way to get a free jumpsuit with “DOC” on the back. Organize a Bible study, organize a civic group, organize a book club, but Ffs stop with the libertardian revolution porn. You and that rusty garand aren’t leaving your lay-z-boy, and we all know it.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Marko
9 months ago

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Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

The 2nd Amendment provides a false sense of security. The 2nd Amendment guys are cowards at heart and are never going to fight back. The only thing that could ever get them to do anything is an outright ban (all at once) with door-to-door confiscation. Since that is never going to happen, they gun owners will squawk about tyranny and their need for a gun to prevent it as they are being forced to house African refugees in their homes and allowing their children to be felt up at school. They will continue to happily allow ever larger numbers of… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
9 months ago

Agree that the 2nd Amendment is used as a crutch by whites. We think, “Well, we’ve got our guns so we don’t have to do anything else.” Wrong. Stop cleaning your gun and start organizing. Start joining political and community groups.

We’re not going to win this thing with guns. We’re going to win by creating our communities and political groups. We need a community that we can count on to protect us (hire the accountant fired for being a racist) and push back politically and legally.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 months ago

We win by letting other groups, without the insight of longer term goals and strategies, fight it out amongst themselves. To someone who is not us, “Did you hear what so-and-so (from another group who is not us) said about you?”. Make sure they sort it out between them, while we step aside and hold their coats. Wars produce survivors, who cloak themselves as victors. Be the survivors.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

Wars produce survivors but not victors in most cases, Dutch. And a lot of them a f**ked up for life. Shattered minds and bodies. It’s no joke to those of us who lived with those who went through it. And wars aren’t won by snarky rumor mongering do nothings either. You DR types really think the Left is that stupid to fall for what amount to high school pranks then you are out of your gourd. So far they’ve won every battle against us while we can’t even organize a potluck. The Left are ruthless, power hungry nihilists who will… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 months ago

Exactly. The government has overwhelming fire power to put down all but the largest insurrections. Hell, even the Department of Education has a SWAT team. In the founding days, it was one group of men with muskets against another. It was all about sheer numbers of men. To organize a large enough violent rebellion is almost impossible without some massive breakdown in the grid.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  DLS
9 months ago

And yet they still can’t win. And they don’t have “overwhelming firepower” against the American people as whole – they only have it against individuals or small groups of individuals. The pathetic part about comments like this is in your entire lifetime the US has not won one single goddam war – even though those wars have been fought against third world countries – with what amounts to guerilla armies. So even though the lessons of history are right there in front of your face – and the examples of that lesson are likely passing you on the street every… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

Carlsdad – So you really think someone can organize an armed resistance consisting of millions of men without getting infiltrated and subverted by the powers that be? Good luck to you, sir. I sincerely hope you’re right. The reason we cannot win recent wars is due to the political rules of engagement. When lefty goes to war with you, they will be under more vicious ROE than allowed on any foreign army. Massive peaceful disobedience and guerrilla tactics will be more effective, especially if locally organized groups follow the same game plan and shut down the gears of the federal… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  DLS
9 months ago

I’m relatively familiar with the “militias” that sprang up during the 90s, as well as some of the more recent incidents like the Malheur Wildlife Refuge standoff. The typical description I’ve heard of these things is “the group was comprised of 10 Federal agents and 3 patsies”. What is going on now in Virginia is a horse of a different color. When an entire county starts to organize like this – what you should be looking at is hundreds if not thousands of people involved. People who have lived next to each other for years if not decades. Relatives –… Read more »

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  DLS
9 months ago

Don’t use my name you little cunt, no name motherfucker.

Member
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

The American military is not going to be fighting on US streets. It would be all of the various law enforcement agencies. the universities, the state labs, the FBI labs etc. It would be pretty much entirely a policing and intelligence effort. The military is simply not the right tool for the job and their losses that you mentioned is obvious proof of that. Virtually NONE of the military’s hardware would be useful against a citizen rebellion in the US. It is meant to break big stuff. What the hell would they use something like a cruise missile for in… Read more »

DaveA
DaveA
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
9 months ago

Look at it this way: The government is massively inefficient in its allocation of resources. When it’s not facing two rebels but 200 or 2000, this will be a real problem for them.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
9 months ago

Guns did not prevent demographic replacement, that’s just an empirical fact. I support 2A. But thinking over the history since the 60s, I’m not so sure about the prevention of tyranny part. It is good for self-defense though.

Member
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
9 months ago

Guns these days are simply a pacifier that give men a false sense of security and machismo. They are the perfect fit for a consumer society. When you need to blow off steam or feel better, you go shopping. Shoes, snacks or guns, they are all the same thing. There may be a real rebellion eventually but we are a long way from it. I get why many of you, including Z, think it is getting close but it isn’t. The other side is too powerful and ruthless. The desperation on our side isn’t widespread enough yet. Few people are… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

Did the government change to reflect us – or did the government shove softness down our throats? I don’t remember asking for: – omnipresent OSHA safety regulations that prevent me from lifting more than 35 pounds at work – seatbelts, ABS, airbags – and all sorts of other “safety” devices in my vehicles – being FORCED to carry healthcare insurance – the government regulating my ability to own firearms – omnipresent “drunk driving” laws – 55 mph speed limit – building code regulations that shove “safety” down our throats – numerous overseas wars that supposedly happened to make us safe… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

Chicken or the egg? It’s probably both.

Men got fed to wars, women got to vote, people moved to cities and got used to somebody else taking care of things and telling them what to do. All things imposed but also agreed to by the majority.

I agree— freedom is dangerous but it’s worth it.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

The second amendment guys do not have a defined target. Violence by us is useless unless violence to be used against us is clear and we are forced to respond to protect our lives. We are usually better off taking it on the chin in most cases and using the propaganda back to our own people in order to point out any unjust actions used against us. Using violence on our part in the world as it is now will get us a go to jail card and thats about it. Change has to come by creating separate cultures and… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Paintersforms
9 months ago

Yes.

I think things would be much worse but for the 300 million plus guns in private hands. People mock but we’re the only conservatives who conserved anything.

Not a small thing either.

Now we have all we need to be rid of the Left and to muzzle their pets.

Whitney
Member
9 months ago

I am reading a biography of Sam Houston and this is a quote from when he’s defending himself in a court in Tennessee before he went to Texas

“All history will show that no tyrant ever grasped the reins of power till they were put into his hands by corrupt and obsequious legislative bodies.”

They not giving the reins of power to Trump but want to give them to someone

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Whitney
9 months ago

Power has been getting rolled up to the office of the President for decades now. That’s part of the reason they’re so pissed about Trump. Somebody like him was never supposed to be put in front of all those levers – it was only supposed to be presented to somebody “vetted”.

We’ve had what amounts to a dictator in charge for decades now – it’s just that they keep putting a different skinsuit on the guy.

Christian Attorney in Ohio
Reply to  Whitney
9 months ago

Good quote, but Sam didn’t practice what he preached. He stayed loyal to Lincoln and the Union when his fellow Texans decided to secede in 1861.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
9 months ago

Anti-democracy arguments are as old as Plato and were common and popular as recently as Mencken. Our movement has rekindled those arguments. The Founding Fathers distrusted democracy and built a number of safeguards into the republic in an attempt to keep it at bay. I always found the following quote to be a good succinct rendering of the problem and fate of democracy: Polybius: “And hence when by their foolish thirst for reputation they have created among the masses an appetite for gifts and the habit of receiving them, democracy in its turn is abolished and changes into a rule… Read more »

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Yves Vannes
9 months ago

The infatuation the DR has with tyrants and monarchs is rather sickening and will be a major turnoff for normies interested in your thing. Then again PR outreach efforts are rather non-existent so we don’t have to worry.

Still if white males have fallen this far and become such abject cowards and slugs that they refuse to step up and instead pray for a goon with armed thugs to save them. This is not the mindset of the men made the U.S. a great country. It’s mindset of the weak and inept.

Mark Taylor
Mark Taylor
Reply to  Rwc1963
9 months ago

The manner of government is irrelevant, it’s a means to an end. The end is something like a safe and prosperous country for our children.

Once you define the end than sacred cows like democracy don’t really matter.

You won’t get all the Hispanics and blacks to start voting to care about you. We’ve been trying that for 70 years.

We already live under armed goons, the only question are who “we” should be and whether we will get any say in the “goons.”

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Rwc1963
9 months ago

I understand your frustration but our civilization and people are badly damaged. We never had the chance to become Americans, a branch of the European Caucasoids. All stocks and regions were shoehorned into a one size fits all constitution. Had we been left to our natural inclination and preferences we probably would have formed regional nations or maybe a sort of Swiss confederation among those regions. Despite the forced sameness of the constitution and a centralized government for an entire centinent we managed to build a nation with different regional sensibilities. This was destroyed by the Civil War and the… Read more »

Member
9 months ago

We are a constitutional republic, not a democracy which is nothing more than mob rule.

I’m pretty sure Trump has orchestrated this whole nonsense and will delay the trial until after the election which he wins in a landslide and makes the impeachment moot.

Ifrank
Reply to  erp617
9 months ago

“Democracy is nothing but mob rule”. True, and the more mobs you have the more mobsters you get. Black mob, Hispanic mob, Jewish mob, everywhere mob mob. Each mob is led by its own mobster.

Democracy has its failings as mankind is an imperfect being, but when you try to pull it off in a diverse society, you encourage mob creation and the system never gets a fair chance. Democracy is not perfect, but show me a better way.

Sam Detente
Sam Detente
Member
Reply to  Ifrank
9 months ago

“Democracy is not perfect, but show me a better way.”

Monarchism was pretty efficient for a long time.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Sam Detente
9 months ago

It’s an interesting take I hear very frequently: We can’t go back to monarchy because we’ve moved on or something. As if the steam engine or the iPhone has made certain political organizations impossible.

That’s one reason the discussion on Our Side about what comes next is only tangentially interesting – what comes next will be something like what has happened before. There aren’t new governing ideas.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  BTP
9 months ago

The French decided to move on from monarchy, but found out that once you do that and pull down the structure of things, you have nothing and a free-for-all for the power and the gibs. We are now, all over the West, in the process of having the structure of power pulled down, because the “wrong people” keep getting elected. What follows is not good. Local homogeneous communities for us to lay low for a while, and working to shape what comes along in the new structures of power down the road, are what we must do now.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  Sam Detente
9 months ago

Tocqueville–Men’s taste for freedom and equality are, in effect, two different things and I am not afraid to add that in democratic nations they are also unequal. Freedom has revealed itself to men at different times and beneath different forms; it has not been exclusively bound to one social state and it makes its appearance elsewhere than in democracies. Thus it cannot possibly be taken as the distinctive characteristic of democracies. I know nothing so miserable as democracy without liberty. It really is difficult to imagine how people who have entirely given up managing their own affairs could make a… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Sam Detente
9 months ago

The problem with the word “democracy” – is the same as with the word “automobile”. There’s a huge difference in form and function between “democracy” as envisioned and *as instituted* by the founders of this country – and what we have now. Just as there is a huge difference between a Lamborghini and a Yugo. The constantly commented on dynamic where illegal aliens, EBT card waving blacks, women…. and all other manner of people who draw from the till instead of contribute to it – get to have the same level of voting privileges as those who work and pay… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Ifrank
9 months ago

Constitutional Monarchy over a homogenous people with a strong Church.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  BadThinker
9 months ago

That is probably the best answer, which means it will never be allowed.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  BadThinker
9 months ago

But even Britain, with Charles and the Anglican Church, was taken.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Alzaebo
9 months ago

While Britain is an interesting example of a successful historical monarchy, its success was more that of an empire with a foreign elite (the Danes then French, then, German) over the English, Welsh, Scots, Irish, (as well as Cornish, Manx, and other various sub-groups). The line of the House of Wessex was displaced by the Scandinavian Canute, then in 1066 with the Norman conquest.

Albion is not Britain. CS Lewis had a bit about this idea in his Space Trilogy.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  BadThinker
9 months ago

I think you are right. Why was Britain the most class-conscious and -segregated society in Northwest Europe? It goes back to the Norman conquest. The Normans became British nobility, the conquered Saxons British commoners. The bloodlines still trace back this way, w limited, obviously increasing, mixing.

It became very class-conscious b/c it was, to an extent, one Northern European people ruling another. You didn’t see the same pattern in the German states and Denmark (or rather, far less pronounced).

OttoVonB
OttoVonB
Reply to  erp617
9 months ago

ERP, time to wake up and realize the constitutional republic that was once the United States hasn’t been since before any of us were born. It was corrupted long ago and the rot just keeps getting worse. I’m not black pilled at all, however. Revolution is coming whether we like it or not. It’s going to suck, but get ready for it. The bright side is, we are at the dawn of a new age and if enough men on our side have the courage and perseverance to see it through, we can make something better via hindsight than has… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  erp617
9 months ago

We may be a constitutional republic on paper, but in effect, we have all the problems of a democracy. It’s a distinction without a difference.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  LineInTheSand
9 months ago

The federal government metastasized and swamped the design of the founders.

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
9 months ago

Well, I guess the show must go on even one as embarrassing as this one.

My take on this whole charade is I knew the day that Trump was elected he would either be impeached or assassinated by a lone gunman. And the only thing that has surprised me is that they didn’t go with assassination since it would have been so much quicker and easier.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  ExNativeSon
9 months ago

I’ve also wondered why he hasn’t gotten a bullet. I think it’s probably because he’s a buffoon, and a lightning rod, and is a great foil and tool for more clever types. Now if you got a real competent populist like a Tucker Carlson in office, I’d be more worried about assassination.

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Marko
9 months ago

Everyone except the MAGA rally types has recognized that he folds like a cheap suit anytime he gets push-back. Maybe that’s why? People that pay attention know that not only will there not be a wall, there can’t be. Because rather than sign CRs he signed two spending bills: one which mandated any new barrier must use existing construction technology, and another which gave the border counties veto power over any wall being built. He’s sicced Barr’s DOJ on the “We Build the Wall” organization, stopping that at Mexico’s request. He won’t name the Cartels or Antifa as terrorist organizations… Read more »

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  ReturnOfBestGuest
9 months ago

Was not implying that Orange Man is anymore than all talk and no action. But at least his brand of talking, and especially the pushback, is helping wake up a few people. But if either means of removal worked we would have Pence as president which is a nightmare almost as scary as Hillary. The Rs could have had Pence and gone all the way back to their natural role as the “Washington Generals.” Now I think that may be too late (whether they realize it or not.) I was looking for Trump to destroy the Rs. And I hope… Read more »

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  ExNativeSon
9 months ago

Ex, I agree. I view the Impeachment as more political theater sleight-of-hand. Trump isn’t going anywhere. Pence would be worse. It reminds me of the Kavanaugh confirmation: Decades old, unsubstantiated accusations from the left trigger a contrived visceral defense from the right so we end up with a John Roberts “mini me” who was one of the drafters of the Patriot Act.

Epaminondas
Member
9 months ago

“…the people really in charge are the parasites and pirates that feed off the organic social capital of the people.”

When you lose trust, you lose respect. When you no longer respect your government, it is only a matter of time before the revolutionary leader emerges.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
9 months ago

“Both sides were left to guess as to why the other was doing what they were doing. The result was revolution.” If you want a good example of this in the work place, watch “American Factory” on Netflix. To me it was interesting to see how the diversity of the workforce had been in harmony; middle and lower class blue collar working blacks, whites, men and women, LGB-whatever, had all been working together quite well. It was as if no one had told them they were all supposed to hate each other. Clearly the community was seriously affected when the… Read more »

Sam Detente
Sam Detente
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
9 months ago

“… watch “American Factory” on Netflix.”

Can’t you just describe what you saw without shilling for the streaming service?

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Sam Detente
9 months ago

@ Sean – Any reason you can’t take a simple recommendation for a mini-documentary, watch it for yourself? If that’s too difficult, how about you just look up a review (there are dozens) and read about it yourself and make your own conclusion.

Christian Schulzke
Christian Schulzke
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
9 months ago

A documentary funded and produced by the Obama’s? Vielen dank aber den geffalt mir nicht.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Christian Schulzke
9 months ago

@ Christian – Urteile nicht nach dem Aussehen. Or as they say in English, “Don’t judge a book by the cover.” Try not to be like the liberals and radicals who are unable to remain open minded to views they don’t like or from people they don’t like. See for yourself, THEN make a decision. This puts you in a stronger position to argue one way or another.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Sam Detente
9 months ago

It is useful to know where to actually find the recommendations, or whether one wants to bother, based on the source.

Drake
Drake
9 months ago

I think of successful large-scale democracy like global warming – hypothesis nobody has ever witnessed actually working. I grew up in a small New England town that was a democracy. Every adult resident could show up at the annual town meeting, make proposals, join in the debate, and vote on them. It worked because the people in the room had to live with the consequences. I saw the head of the School Board ask for a million dollars to expand the high school (built only a few years earlier) and get absolutely blasted out of the room by angry taxpayers.… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Drake
9 months ago

Looking at tiny-scale democracy up close, it actually has the same problems and conflicts as the large scale version. The two fundamental differences are that the graft is smaller in size (but still there, empower people even a little bit, and the shenanigans begin), and the losers in the heated arguments simply move away. On the large scale, the “move away” option is less universal. That’s why I promote “alignment of interests” to us for the empowered people. You can’t make everything go exactly right for everyone, but you can make it go more your way.

randian supremacist
randian supremacist
Reply to  Drake
9 months ago

So, an official asks for more tax money for a school, gets shot down, but god forbid a major taxpayer like the farmers ask for a lower tax rate, the townspeople don’t care about that. Now the farmer is gone and you pretty much have to spend more money on school. Sorry man, from the sound of it I’m not sure that your small town democracy works either. People are too shortsightedly selfish for it to work, be it a small town or big city. And sure, the people who voted at that time may see the consequences, but what… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  randian supremacist
9 months ago

What do you favor over democracy? I hope you don’t say anarcho-capitalism.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  LineInTheSand
9 months ago

I think the way to go is to aggressively push what elements of the republic and democracy we live under in our direction. We have been amiss in not tribing up, like all the others have, to push for our point of view. NatCon passive optimism and all.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  randian supremacist
9 months ago

If I had been an adult, I would have supported the farmer. I liked the town I grew up in. Now all the farms and orchards are housing developments. I’ll be back next week for Christmas, but I’ll never live there again. So you are right about the bad decisions. But I doubt a council or mayor would have chosen differently. Making it into a suburb of Boston meant a lot of money.

Firewire7
Firewire7
Reply to  Drake
9 months ago

How we can introduce Skin in the Game is a crucial problem we must solve.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Firewire7
9 months ago

Nailed it, Firewire.
Risk nothing means demand everything.
No limiting mechanism.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Firewire7
9 months ago

No income tax payments, no vote.

Drake
Drake
9 months ago

This is as good a theory on the “why” of the impeachment itself as I’ve heard. Basically a fishing license for dirt to be used in the campaign next year.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/12/19/impeachment-as-a-means-to-an-end-and-not-the-end-itself/
While not actually moving the articles of impeachment over to the Senate for an embarrassing trial.

roo_ster
Member
9 months ago

Whatever the morivarion, we know it will be against legacy americans”s intetests.

Oh, and may Nancy be taken care of by surly hatian nurses assistants when she finally enters a nursing home.

Fabian_Forge
Member
Reply to  roo_ster
9 months ago

Nancy has lots of money and kids. She’ll spend her final years at home surrounded by skilled and attentive caregivers, with young relations paying solicitous attention when not rechecking the provisions of their trusts.

The Babe
The Babe
9 months ago

Anybody who wants to know exactly what we’re getting when we bring over Liberians should watch the astounding Vice video “The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

It will leave no doubt that whoever snuck their amnesty into that bill is using these people as biological weapons against Americans.

For the lucky few who have time to read whole books, Daniels/Dalrymple’s book “Monrovia Mon Amour” is equally good.

https://www.amazon.com/Monrovia-Mon-Amour-Visit-Liberia-ebook/dp/B00883BJOM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Monrovia+Mon+Amour&qid=1576765705&sr=8-1

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  The Babe
9 months ago
joey junger
joey junger
9 months ago

I view the media at this point the way a worker in a sweatshop views a foreman on the scaffolding shouting at the peons below to labor faster and harder, while occasionally barking “No talking!” I just view it as a mendacious tyranny that I hate like I’ve never hated anything in my life, though I pretend to ignore it when I’m trapped around it (I won’t give them the satisfaction of my rage). So I’m not watching the news, especially not the impeachment, but I am watching my normie relatives and friends to see if, and when, they realize… Read more »

John Smith
John Smith
Member
9 months ago

But women do NOT make successful politicians. Or at least, the vast majority of them don’t. I think the last successful female politician was maybe Maggie Thatcher.

You are correct in that impeachment is basically a vaginal hissy fit, though.

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

Agreed. But – what IS their definition?

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  John Smith
9 months ago

Being noticed after the age of 40.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  John Smith
9 months ago

A successful tiger hunt isn’t considered successful by the tiger.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
9 months ago

The Founding Fathers did their best to contain the democracy beast, yet they failed. Bit by bit, the lure of bringing in new voters who would give you and your backers more power won out. Democracy is an insatiable beast that eventually devours itself.

Democracy in a homogeneous society has always failed. How long before it fails in a multi-everything society? Will whites accept the legitimacy of blacks, Hispanics, Asians and Indians pushing us around simply because they voted for it?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 months ago

Will Whites ever be accorded the same emphasis on minority rights when they become a “minority”. Of course not. Whites will be a minority of numbers, but never a minority of the productive and successful. The world is full of recent examples of persecution of such (relatively) successful minority groups.

joey junger
joey junger
9 months ago

Z, are you sure you put no stock in epigenetics? I’m starting to think the congenital nuttiness of you-know-who might actually be some sort of Russia-RNA virus. I always thought Jewish kids complaining about being third generation Holocaust survivors were just being histrionic, but these new studies with planaria are making me think twice. Maybe Ben Shapiro isn’t a rat: maybe he’s a worm: http://nautil.us/blog/memories-can-be-injected-and-survive-amputation-and-metamorphosis

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  joey junger
9 months ago

There’s some good thoughts on epigenetics on Cochran’s blog, West Hunter. Biggest problem (IIR) Cochran has is any scientific explanation as to how such environmental changes pass from generation to generation. I see that recently, the excuse of epigenetics is being used for reparation justification by Black grifters—both wrt generations living under slavery and now for good measure generations transformed by ghetto life in the big cities.

joey junger
joey junger
Reply to  Compsci
9 months ago

Blacks think “gibs” first and then come up with the science (social, pseudo, or legitimate) afterwards. Besides, to be fair to blacks (and I don’t view them as the ultimate foe or believe I’m living in “Black Run America”) literal genetic science does explain some of their problems. White guys (like Jimmy the Greek) got in trouble for talking about this stuff, but it’s true that a lot of black males in America walking around are just the result of a eugenics program that selected only for certain physical traits, and the result is that, if they can’t play sports,… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
9 months ago

Well, they already slid by the fact that for 18 years under three presidents, they have been consistently lying about the war in Afghanistan.

Hardly a peep about it.

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Vizzini
9 months ago

Not to mention the faked gas attack in Syria used to justify an attack on/occupation of yet another country that’s never attacked us.

Sleepy
Sleepy
Member
9 months ago

I agree with this… “The office holders in a modern democracy represent the interests of the money-men who sponsored them.” …but would add that they focus on two other things: lining their pockets through graft and getting reelected to keep the dirty money flowing. And on a related note, I also agree with this… “Team Trump had stumbled onto evidence that many Democrats were on the take by Ukrainian oligarchs.” …but would add that I believe Uniparty Republicans were lining their pockets in Ukraine as well, and that this is the primary reason the McConnell & Co. want to end… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Sleepy
9 months ago

It is perfectly reasonable to assume that with all the goodies available under the table to empowered politicians, exactly the personality types who have no compunctions about scooping up as much as they can, will be the ones most intensely attracted to seek those politically empowered positions. Both parties are up to their eyeballs in it, and all the theatrics are a series of pathetic distractions.

Ayatollah Rockandrollah
Member
9 months ago

GOP dittoheads are refusing the blackpill this morning that McCarthy, Scalise, and the rest of Red Team leadership in the House knew that Pelosi was going to pull her ploy of not sending the articles over the Senate — and said not a word about it. All those hours of B.S., yelling about Hamilton, Madison, or what have you, and all along they knew there was yet another Act in this drama to come. Might’ve been nice of them to inform the public. Ha ha. Turn the page, cretins — we’ve got another 200 pages to go. McConnell gave a… Read more »

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Ayatollah Rockandrollah
9 months ago

While the public may be “tiring” of the daily TV nerd prom, a massive budget with money the government does not have – was rubber stamped. War crimes on ‘both sides of the aisle’ – trillions made over the dead bodies of American young people in Afghanistan … revealed to the resulting yawn of the media, also on ‘both sides of the aisle’. A brand new, massive batch of new dollars are apparently going to be printed and handed to the banksters to bolster their already cooked books – while in cahoots with government, not only your money, but your… Read more »

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Ayatollah Rockandrollah
9 months ago

Look up “pussy” in the dictionary and you will find a photo of a Republican politician prominently displayed.

Abelard Lindsey
Abelard Lindsey
9 months ago

In short, we need a Lee Kuan Yew.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Abelard Lindsey
9 months ago

No, yew!

TomA
TomA
9 months ago

Eloquent, funny, and all of it deadly truth. So what now? Observe, analyze, predict, & prepare. The inmates are running the asylum, so the ship is destined to hit the iceberg. Chaos, wailing, rampaging, Jackboot time, and rise of the new tyranny. So what’s a bloke to do? Disappear and wait. Focus on the rot, and then act with precision. Technology is your friend.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  TomA
9 months ago

As Remus at the Woodpile Report frequently states, “stay away from crowds”.

DLS
DLS
9 months ago

This article brilliantly illustrates why all politicians are sociopaths. They have to be in order to keep the public fooled and the oligarchs that fund them happy.

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  DLS
9 months ago

Some are genuine sociopaths; most are just actors playing the role they’re paid to play.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  ReturnOfBestGuest
9 months ago

And much like Actors, they take their Role quite seriously.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
9 months ago

Perfect post.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
9 months ago

“Masculine republics give way to feminine democracy which gives way to tyranny”

Aristotle.

Quoted from memory.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
9 months ago

How ‘bout some Homer?

“Odysseus Against the Matriarchy”, Jacob Howland, Claremont Review of Books.

Dutch
Dutch
9 months ago

Z’s last paragraph says it all. Democracy is the method by which the people running things gain anonymity, so they can scoop up the wealth and the fruits of the culture for their own private benefit, without being observed doing so.

Rogeru
Rogeru
9 months ago

The only form of government there is or ever has been is oligarchy. Everything else is just window dressing.

Ripple
Ripple
9 months ago

Check out the names of the commentators on today’s discussion on impeachment on the Bay Area NPR station. Two Indians (dot) and one Thai: https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101874968/congress-debates-impeachment-of-president-trump

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
9 months ago

Completely OT and on a lighter note: This can’t be real, can it? https://tinyurl.com/zguurdv I know it’s juvenile, but maybe the world really is middle school writ large.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  ReturnOfBestGuest
9 months ago

I can’t believe they failed to list Wun Hung Lo in the roster of Chinese criminals. I suppose he remains at, er, large.

On the Viet/Burmese front, Phuc Mee remains a threat.

miforest
Member
9 months ago

yes it is a cancer , stage 4B.

Cav
Cav
Member
9 months ago

I don’t think this shows the inherent flaws of democracy any more than the inherent flaws of any other system as the common denominator is the human element. Overlooking that the fault is due to the humans either running the system or in any other way participating in the system, not the system itself, which is the flaw in the Z man’s analysis.

DFCtomm
Member
9 months ago

The founding fathers didn’t like Democracy because it became a tyranny of the people. They thought they could eliminate this problem with representative democracy. However, that hasn’t proven to be any better. Representative democracy is a tyranny of the elites, and I personally would rather have a tyranny of the people.

Ifrank
Reply to  DFCtomm
9 months ago

Once the smoke has cleared and the dust settles. We try again. Democracy, redux.

Term limits.

Stricter voting requirements.

Better population homogeneity.

TheLastStand
Reply to  Ifrank
9 months ago

We had 2 of the 3 requirements in law and the other by custom and yet here we are.

Ifrank
Reply to  TheLastStand
9 months ago

TheLastStand:

Fair point. Is because of a kind of legal drift. Liberal judges changing the meaning of laws beyond their original intent. A fatal flaw, I fear. Meanwhile, other laws, regarding Sanctuary cities and immigration for example, are ignored. Discouraging. I’m running out of ideas.

Ifrank
Reply to  Ifrank
9 months ago

Today, Friday, December 20, 2019, I’m announcing my candidacy for President, and the formation of a new government. Under my administration we will see a rebirth of democracy. Immediately after taking office these new policies will take effect: 1. Term limits. All federal officials will be limited to two terms of office. 2. Wealth tax. All federal officials will pay a wealth tax of 90% on income above 150% of the average income of American citizens. 3. Voting rights will be limited to citizens who have graduated from high school and pay taxes. High schools graduates must pass a basic… Read more »

Spud Boy
Spud Boy
9 months ago

I don’t blame democracy so much as I blame universal suffrage. We need a system where votes are apportioned based on the amount of taxes you pay. Freeloaders have no skin in the game and therefore no right to a vote.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Spud Boy
9 months ago

In our current system, the votes don’t do anything, and the people with all the money and power make sure they don’t pay any taxes… How quickly would that system switch over to what we have now?

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
9 months ago

I admire Trump for holding an audience for over an hour last night in Michigan. Trump connects with normal people and he can be funny.
Trump the entertainer.
But he can also be foolish. Trump mentioned that we “need more workers”.
So where do we get said workers?
Third world nations of course. Europe stopped having babies a long time ago.
Trump will be a foot note in history because of his listening to the voice of Jared Kushner and not Jared Taylor.

De Beers Diamonds
9 months ago

We are one election loss away from a permanent loss of power. And most conservatives will probably go along with it, and just whine. Said whining will be immediately responded to with “Go back to Russia”.

I dunno about you. But maybe its time for learning to speak Russian.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  De Beers Diamonds
9 months ago

There’s a lot of empty land there!

https://www.rt.com/business/341892-far-east-land-infrastructure/

Yakutsk, however, has an avg. winter temperature of -30 degrees F. Not sure I’d move there. The more southern cities along the Chinese border…?

bilejones
Member
9 months ago

This line made me laugh:
” it is no longer responsible to dismiss conspiracy theories.”

For decades sane people have known that only the most barking mad naif dismisses conspiracy theories.

Reality Check
Reality Check
9 months ago

This is another dissertation of how “democracy” is evil and bad…Well Zman, what should “democracy” be replaced with and where has this magical system been proven to work?

james wilsonzG
james wilsonzG
Member
Reply to  Reality Check
9 months ago

One magical system was America to 1770. A distant monarch, very lightly governed, freedom to not associate.

Reality Check
Reality Check
Reply to  james wilsonzG
9 months ago

Ok, so do you think that system can be implemented now??

james wilsonzG
james wilsonzG
Member
Reply to  Reality Check
9 months ago

Oh, it will come to that, after all else has failed and there is no visionary and utopian experiment left to implement. Separation is a wonderful thing. Unity is a tool for small, despotic minds.

Reality Check
Reality Check
Reply to  Reality Check
9 months ago

LMAO! The sycophants are triggered!

Mark Taylor
Mark Taylor
Reply to  Reality Check
9 months ago

It doesn’t matter what replaces it. I think you missed the point.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
9 months ago

Z Man said: “In the end, it really does not matter what is behind impeachment. It is just another indictment of democracy as a political system. It is a system in which no one appears to be in charge, because the people foolishly think their votes matter. ”

“It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere”.

Voltaire.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
9 months ago

Gee, I’m glad we have a legitimate republic as the government waiting in the wings. As opposed to sham democracy masking a ruined administrative state. The administrative state is dying and dying as it lived – that’s all. On the French Revolution; here is an excellent (the best in fact) history written in the 19th century – that is to say living memory of the events. The origins of contemporary France by Hippolyte Taine. See Book II – the Jacobins – in particular. That’s the organization (very organized, mobs were paid criminal astroturf). I mention it as you said the… Read more »

Dan
Dan
9 months ago

Self rule…… i.e democracy requires a population with an IQ higher than warm toast. We don’t have that. An ignorant stupid self serving populace will ALWAYS vote for the liars who promise them unlimited access to OTHER PEOPLES WEALTH. This is a guaranteed recipe for disaster and political collapse leaving to the inevitable…… tyranny.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Dan
9 months ago

This is a common belief on the traditional right that “if only we could make people less stupid they’d vote for the right people.” Higher-IQ people are *more* likely, in the West (and even more in the East), to vote for the grifters. This is not an intelligence problem, it’s a moral (and biological) problem.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
9 months ago

IMO. The fear of exposure of political graft is driving this particular impeachment campaign. That corruption is undoubtedly wide and deep. Which is why the senate wants the issue to just go away. It been widely reported that Pelosi’s son, John Kerry’s kid and one of Romney’s kids have do nothing board memberships on Ukrainian company’s similar to the one Hunter Biden enjoyed. I surmise that it’s not just Ukraine either. That the reason why our “foreign aid” is so large and eternal is that a large part of such “aid” is kicked back to politicians families and their “non… Read more »

Corvinus
Corvinus
9 months ago

Per usual, the Z-man misses the mark. The fact of the matter is that Trump used his personal lawyer, rather than a White House official or the DOJ/State Department, to find “dirt” on a potential political opponent by way of a quid pro quo. His conduct is NOT normal presidential operating procedure. Several diplomats pointed it out emphatically in their testimony. John Bolton seems eager to testify, but says he must be compelled by a court. Even he realizes Trump’s action is other than legal and diplomatic. NOTICE if President Obama was accused of exactly the same thing as Trump,… Read more »

sirlancelot
sirlancelot
9 months ago

What’s interesting is ( at least in my small circle of friends ) this impeachment fiasco is pretty much being ignored . Even with Blue Dog Democrat friends it’s just not something talked about. Like an old “Life with the Kardashians” rerun . Nobody is interested in these has been , media attention whores. In fact the President has elicited some support even here in liberal New England. A handful of stores have opened up selling Donald Trump paraphernalia and said to be doing well. America is awakening from its slumber. This attack on the president is treasonous . These… Read more »

kevinH
kevinH
9 months ago

I have read this writer slam democracy multiple times, what would you replace it with Mr Z?

ProUSA
ProUSA
8 months ago

I’m catching up here. Great article and more informative than a college political science class. Re: voting, if you don’t do it you get screwed quicker. Re: money in politics, the Democrats tried to eliminate it when the big donors were Republican, but not anymore since that changed. I badly want that Senate trial.