The Good White Bible

A strange thing that used to be more common a decade ago, but still persists to this day is the use of the book Guns, Germs and Steel as an escape hatch. That is, when a conversation with good whites turns to biology, they will at some point attempt to change the subject by bringing up this book. Always, it is in the form of “A great book on this is Guns, Germs and Steal. Have you read it?” After all these years, it remains the one acceptably dangerous book they have read on the subject.

In this context, dangerous means that the book sort of accepts the fact that human populations are not exactly the same everywhere. The book attempts to explain why Eurasian and North African civilizations have defined the story of man, while arguing against biological reality. For good whites, merely acknowledging that sub-Saharan Africans have little to show for their time on earth is scary. Even though Diamond is a biological denialist, the book is still a dangerous read.

Of course, it is acceptable because of that denialism. The thesis of the book is that serendipity and ecology explain why some human populations have advanced beyond simple farming, while others have not. Diamond makes many claims about different food stuffs, weather and pathogens to explain why Europeans, in particular, have risen to the top of the human hierarchy. The basic claim, in a nutshell, is they got lucky and really don’t deserve their spot at the top of the hierarchy.

This is a familiar theme for those who have read the writings of Ben Shapiro and Yoram Hazony, both of whom make similar claims. In the case of Shapiro, he argues that Europe was the creation of Hellenize Jews, who arrived with the Romans. He is not that honest or explicit, but that is his claim. Hazony takes a similar approach, but credits the Romans for imposing culture on the people of Europe. He also credits dumb luck in explaining why Europe is not the Levant or Mesopotamia.

This makes sense from the perspective of Zionist Jews. They view life as a great struggle between people, particularly their people, the Chosen People, and the rest of the people of the world. They don’t have to think too hard about why they are superior to Arabs, but Europeans are another matter. The Jewish people don’t have a big trophy case like the people of the Occident. They credit this to dumb luck in order to maintain the fiction that they are still God’s favorite people.

Now, it is important to note that the Diamond book is riddled with errors of fact and logic that undermine the central premise. In fact, there are so many of these errors it has to be assumed the author knew he was making false claims. For those with some time to kill, Ryan Faulk made a two hour video going into the details of Diamond’s claims about agriculture and animal husbandry. The best you can say about Guns, Germs and Steel is it is a masterful display of modern sophistry.

Now, ecology did play a defining role in shaping the people of Europe, just as it did the people everywhere on earth. Fundamental to the human sciences and dissident politics is that people are different. The people of Europe are different because they had to be in order to survive and thrive in their environment, which is radically different from the environment of Africa. They also mixed with archaic people, just as East Asians mixed with a different archaic people. Human biodiversity is real.

The appeal of the Diamond book, the intent of it actually, is to turn this reality on its head in order to supplant biological reality with the egalitarian fantasy. The impression Diamond tries to leave on the reader is that he is accepting the premises of the realists, while coming to a more parsimonious explanation. This is a similar approach taken by Nathan Cofnas in his critique of Kevin McDonald’s book. It is a form of abductive reasoning meant to persuade, not explain.

Similarly, a book popular with the same crowd twenty years ago was Why Nations Fail, which attempted to solve the same problem. It makes the claim that the reason the West has raced ahead to lead the world is that they have inclusive institutions and that economic prosperity depends above all on the inclusiveness of economic and political institutions. This magical inclusiveness just fell from the sky and landed in the West, explaining why the Occident has dominated.

The popularity of these books, and in the case of the Diamond book its enduring popularity, speaks to the power of the egalitarian faith. People in modern democracies, particularly bourgeois people, need to believe that all people are born with the same innate talents and abilities. The belief is so powerful it can overcome the absurd circular reasoning in a book like Why Nations Fail and raise Guns, Germs and Steel into the gospel of modern liberal democracy.

There is another element to this. The premise is that the “superficial” differences in people are due to environment, but the people themselves are all the same, once those environmental issues are removed. This sort of thinking allows the believer to feel shame for his privilege, while lamenting the fact the poor browns were not blessed with better stuff or the divine magic of liberal democracy. The good white can indulge his natural self-loathing and proselytize for his way of life.

This is a very Christian dynamic. The good white, like the good Christian, embraces the fallen state of mankind. For Christians, it is man’s obvious sinful nature. For the good white, it is white privilege, the undeserved blessings of serendipity. Like the believing Christian, the good white sees the path to salvation in spreading the faith. Instead of observable reality leading to an acceptance of the human condition, it drives a desire to rectify it and overcome the forces that have shaped it.

This is probably why a book like Guns, Germs and Steel remains a popular text with the good whites. It is literally written to flatter the reader and offer an alternative narrative to explain observable reality. White people are not evil because of their nature, but because of their failure to acknowledge their privilege and put it to good use in saving the rest of mankind from his plight. To be a good white means embracing one’s undeserved place in the world as fuel to reform the world.


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Reynard
Reynard
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3 months ago

“white privilege, the undeserved blessings of serendipity”

Where does the buck stop? They’ll just keep passing the “luck” and “serendipity” buck forever.

“All evolutionary advances can be explained away due to the environmental circumstances of the different groups over time. Europeans just got lucky… for thousands of years.”

At this point, I’m just happy when people acknowledge ANY kind of differences within the races. The big challenge after that is implementing reasonable culture and policy reform based on those differences.

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Vizzini
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Reply to  Reynard
3 months ago

Except Diamond’s explanation exempts them from having to do that. Instead, they just keep striving for cultural and ecological equality.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Vizzini
3 months ago

yes this is the kind of cocktail party gatekeeping that keeps goodwhites from ever evolving into badwhites. Should anyone wander off the progressive reservation, great points from this book get mentioned and with a couple of swirls of cabernet the conversation is back inside the wire. Whats most dangerous about this is that not only are people kept in slumber but the believe they are smarter for having probed the frontier only to be reassured that their progressive orthodoxy is true and right. And they are self-assured in their place among the intellectual NYT strivers so they can spread it… Read more »

Libertymike
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Reply to  Vizzini
3 months ago

Some will never understand that some Coopers are more equal than others.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
3 months ago

Given that environment is ostensibly almighty, it’s passing strange that whites who settled in southern Africa in the 17th century didn’t regress to the level of the Hutu. Likewise, when the Hutus were transplanted to the salubrious climes of North America at about that time, they didn’t not begin throwing forth Beethovens, Shakespeares, Aristotles and Rembrandts. Come to think of it, the Injuns didn’t exactly litter the landscape with titanic cultural achievements despite dwelling in North America for 30K years.

nailheadtom
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

The pre-Coumbian residents of North America were the great agronomists of perhaps any time. You probably don’t go a day without consuming a food stuff that originated in the western hemisphere and was unknown elsewhere until the 16th century, tomatoes, potatoes, pumpkins, peanuts, chocolate, vanilla, blueberries and corn, among other foods. They didn’t invent gunpowder or develop the metals necessary to produce genocide on an industrial basis so they do, in that sense, lack cultural achievement.

Steve Dancing
Steve Dancing
Reply to  nailheadtom
3 months ago

Pre-Columbians had big programs of genocide on many occasions. And the more primitive the tribe, the more lethal they are.

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Ian Smith
Ian Smith
Reply to  nailheadtom
3 months ago

Troll.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  nailheadtom
3 months ago

Crediting Indians with agricultural products they stumbled upon is like crediting the earth for the moon.

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Reynard
3 months ago

“At this point” -You shouldn’t be. Guns, Germs and Steel was written decades ago, and it’s books like this which have brainwashed the smarter half of the midwits into denying reality in favor of a blind adherence to the status quo. This piece of mind control provides a way to quiet the discomfort caused by the cognitive dissonance suffered by those who know anything about history. Like others have said, this provides an intellectual escape hatch with which they are tricked into denying their own independent conclusions about reality in favor of a kosher explanation of the obvious inconsistencies in… Read more »

Reynard
Reynard
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Reply to  FashGordon
3 months ago

I agree with you. So what do we do other than be blunt, take everything by force and implement our own culture, institutions etc?

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FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Reynard
3 months ago

Keep exposing the lies and revealing the malignant intentions behind them. We might not have much on our side, but we do have the truth, and the truth is a potent weapon.

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  FashGordon
3 months ago

From my recent reading:

“Truth invariably destroys error. We do not have to laboriously shovel the darkness out; all that is necessary is to turn on the light.”

Charles F. Haanel

The Master Key System – 1916

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  FashGordon
3 months ago

How well did Truth the Weapon work in the Soviet Union, or in today’s China?

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 months ago

One, the soviet union collapsed. Two, a few decades ago the average chinaman was a rice farmer. Now he is middle class. But go ahead and do nothing since you are already making up bad excuses for it anyway.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Reynard
3 months ago

As I mentioned in a different post, this is largely true for cosmopolitans. For them, place of birth really is luck of the draw and a gift from the universe. But for everyone else, they inherit the culture from the previous generations just as surely as they inherit their looks or intelligence or lack thereof.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 months ago

I’d say that culture is just a sentient, biological collective. Nothing non HBD about it. Lefts always act like “culture” is this killshot argument against genetics, role in IQ when the two are inextricably linked.

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Alzaebo
Reply to  Lawdog
3 months ago

Lawdog, I couldn’t agree more.

I see culture- that sentient, biological collective- as parallel processing.

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Alzaebo
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 months ago

“For them, place of birth really is luck of the draw and a gift from the universe.”

It reinforces their hope that they really are the true chosen, destined to be above the rest.

(To be honest, don’t we all nurture that small, secret flame?

But to take it to such extremes…)

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tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 months ago

I have something slightly different. I don’t necessarily think my tribe is the best and has been selected by God to be his special tribe. What I think is that I like my tribe and am only comfortable living within my tribe and that my tribe is the best at setting up a society that people like me like. From my experience, that is how a lot of people think of their tribe. If you ever talk to foreigners who have just recently visited “home,” they talk wistfully about the visit and all the things they like about home and… Read more »

SidVic
SidVic
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Reply to  tarstarkas
3 months ago

Then they come back here?

Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
Member
3 months ago

I’m amazed at how people can ignore the obvious, objective reality staring them in the face when it comes to biological diversity. We have thousands of breeds of dogs, all different, that have 99 percent commonality DNA-wise. Why humans are all the same is so illogical on its face. Europe’s environment selected for the characteristics we see today, as did Africa, Asia and South America. I read this book a few years after it came out and agreed with some of the points in it, but it wasn’t until I was red pilled that I saw how this book ignored… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
3 months ago

My parents red-pilled me at an early age. “Bring home a girl of another race and count on being kicked out of the family. You will also be encouraged to change your last name.”

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 months ago

Were many more white parents like yours, we wouldn’t be in this gawdawful bind.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
3 months ago

I’ve found using the example of dog breeds to be particularly useful in getting through to people. I simply say that the different races are like different dog breeds. All breeds are dogs but the abilities of a Beagle and a Great Dane are obviously not the same. Doesn’t make one “better” in a general sense than the other, but they will be better at different tasks.

My_Comment
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

Have you ever found a liberal who could admit to human diversity being like dog or diversity

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  My_Comment
3 months ago

Nope. But saying it front of a group where there may be some people that we can sway is worthwhile.

It’s just a way to get people think about things without triggering their Crimethink defenses.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

People universally acknowledge that there are innate intellectual and temperamental differences between various breeds of dogs, but that can be explained away by the process of selective breeding.

There are “natural” breeds of cats that developed on their own, though further modified by selective breeding. A Siamese and a Persian have quite different personalities and Siamese are reputed to be the most intelligent of all cats. I don’t know why they evolved that way. They just did.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  My_Comment
3 months ago

OH MY GOD ARE YOU ACTUALLY COMPARING BLACK PEOPLE TO DOGS????

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Lawdog
3 months ago

Personally, I’d prefer to live next door to a pack of basenjis…

Dog Breeds
Dog Breeds
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago
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MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
3 months ago

Haitians took a paradise and made it a desert. Nordic/Anglo Mormons took a desert and made it a paradise.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
3 months ago

The Nordic/Anglo/Celt Mormons took a desert and turned it into a civilization. The negroes in Haiti took a civilization and turned it into a desert.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 months ago

Trivia: Haiti was first (successful?) slave rebellion in Western Hemisphere. Their success as a free nation has been….uh….er….

There are white Haitians! Very few, but check demographics. I guess you get used to living in a compound.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  MemeWarVet
3 months ago

Meme, precisely. That’s why GG&S is a good read—iff you are educated enough to perceive its inconsistencies and fallacies of logic. Never had a Normie/Lib use the book in an argument, most don’t seem to really care to reach such a stage in analysis/support of their beliefs. Anyway, there are myriad of current, modern examples wrt bringing the poor laggards into the 20th century and seeing how they handle modernity and it’s technology—particularly in Africa. Hell, just bring up South Africa and Rhodesia and have them explain why a completely equipped 1st world nation can be handed over—intact and functioning—to… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

There is probably a good correlation between “education” and gullibility and believing in GG&S. It’s a pretty major indictment that most of our most magical thinkers have been “educated” in our elite institutions.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
3 months ago

Hispaniola is instructive from an HBD standpoint. Haiti and the DR, sharing Hispaniola, have virtually identical climates and natural resources. Haiti is black African and the DR is mestizo. Haiti is the most dreadful nation in the western hemisphere while the DR is reasonably functional and livable.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

I might add as well, the DR is most keen on preventing *any* overflow of Haitians into their territory. Saw a video awhile back documenting this. Basically DR immigration authorities ID’ing any and all that look Haitian and grabbing them off the bus or streets and taking them back for deportation. Of course, the documentary producer was calling this racism. 😉

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Did he really? And here I was thinking only YT could be rayciss.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Yes, with Spanish Lit got a little historical background on Domincan Republic. I don’t know the details, but in various periods of time they’ve been plain brutal to Haitians that dared cross the border. Perhaps we could learn something from them?

RealBill
RealBill
3 months ago

I don’t have the link at my fingertips, but there is an online interview in which Jared Diamond admits that he undertook the writing of Guns, Germs, and Steel >for the explicit purpose of demonstrating how superior European achievement can be explained without involving racial differences. In other words, he had already arrived at his conclusion before he began his ‘research’! In the same interview, he presents his thesis— without offering any supporting evidence— that the natives of Paupau New Guinea are actually more intelligent and resourceful than Europeans! A clear case of someone already wedded to a certain (‘egalitarian’,… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  RealBill
3 months ago

Early life and education

Diamond was born on September 10, 1937 in Boston, Massachusetts, United States. Both of his parents were from Ashkenazi Jewish families who had emigrated to the United States. 

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

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Apex_Predator
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Reply to  MemeWarVet
3 months ago

Thanks! You beat me to it. A fun fact about this. “Diamond” is a very j00 last name. In fact, there is a reason for this that I read an article about not long ago. I was trying to figure out why so many specials are named after gemstones and precious metals. Diamond, Silver, Silverstein, Goldberg, Satin, etc. Turns out this ‘master race’ being a semitic tribe of wandering nomads couldn’t be bothered with last names for a long long time. To get them into the modern world they were ‘assigned’ them by the Germans and various other more civilized… Read more »

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c matt
c matt
Reply to  Apex_Predator
3 months ago

Well, they sort of had last names – e.g., Simon bar Jonah – Simon son of Jonah. Not unlike a Bill “Robertson” or “Johnson.”

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  MemeWarVet
3 months ago

That explains everything,. Another Bagel eater finding a way to shit on heritage whites

Their hatred of us is hardwired into them

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Rwc1963
3 months ago

Hey, some Gentiles like bagels! And when I run out of Cream Cheese, I put a dab of lard on it, just to cheer up the tiny rebel within me 🙂

Reynard
Reynard
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Reply to  RealBill
3 months ago

“the natives of Paupau New Guinea are actually more intelligent and resourceful than Europeans!” Now THAT is an impressive level of cognitive dissonance and bias. The pathological altruism of normies today can really be astounding sometimes! I remember years ago my Mom was relating an NPR story she heard. Apparently some anthropologist went off to study a primitive tribe known for beheading its people as a form of punishment. After they would decapitate someone, the tribe would all partake in some ritualistic form of groaning, similar to keening. The guy’s mission was to figure out the purpose or “meaning” of… Read more »

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Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Reynard
3 months ago

It probably had the same meaning as what our stomach does when it’s hungry 😂

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Lineman
3 months ago

Exactly! The entire premise of the story was so absurd I couldn’t help but laugh maniacally. The guy’s colleague gets his head lopped off, and even after that he decides that these primitives are somehow more virtuous than us civilized folk, unreal!

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  Reynard
3 months ago

Doesn’t E. Michael Jones have a similar ridiculous position. Something like Europe would be like Africa if it wasn’t for the Catholic church, or maybe it was Africa would be like Europe if it had .

I like many of his takes and read a few of his books but for the love of God! There really are some ideas so preposterous that only intellectuals can believe them. As a practicing Catholic this hurts to see in someone like him.

By the way, the Church was very instrumental in much good in western civilization but still, come on.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  David_Wright
3 months ago

I’m pretty sure E. Jones has a universalist position when it comes to race and “converts”.

I agree with you–come on!

Still, I recently read an essay of his in book form. It was really good, and pretty witty at times too. Was thinking about purchasing “Revolutionary Spirit”

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Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  David_Wright
3 months ago

Well I mean my own Celtic and Germanic ancestors were like Africa before Christianity. The same interminable tribal conflicts, horrifying ritual practices (including human sacrifice and bestiality(!)), and other horrors. Like how Vikings thought what was best in life was to sail over to some bastard who you don’t know from Adam, kill him, rape his wife, and take his stuff. If my community bordered ancient pre-Christian Ireland or Friesland we would have built the wall and staffed it with machine gunners years ago. Meanwhile, for its many problems Ethiopia was definitely head and shoulders above its neighbors by miles… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Hoyos
3 months ago

Sorry, I don’t buy it. Our society and culture is not only Greco-Romano-Christian, but also very much Germanic in terms of our customs and law. (And I’m completely ignoring that bullshit “Athens and Jerusalem” nonsense which is the culturo-historical equivalent of fanfiction to insert The Best People into everything after the fact. I would not dismiss Celts and Germans as painted, animal-humping savages who were only finally civilized by a Europeanized version of a middle-eastern cult. Certainly Christianity had a huge effect on Europe, but bear in mind that the Roman Catholic Church was in turn itself influenced by local… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
3 months ago

The ancient Greek and Roman people originated in the Danube basin. They were not that far distant from Germanic people. Julius Caesar had red hair and blue eyes.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Mike_C
3 months ago

A bit off topic, but some of the ancient monuments still defy reasonable explainations as to their construction. For the Celts (or earlier?) Stonehenge for instance. Some of the rocks were moved long distances (>100 miles) and it’s not clear how primitives with no tools could do so. These may not compare with other head-scratchers (Macchu Pichu, Great Pyramids), but ancient man did some really amazing feats. Even harder than explaining how, is to explain why they went to such elaborate efforts. Forgive me, one too many Von Daniken books in my youth! 😀

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aPatientLiar
aPatientLiar
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 months ago

Their construction equipment was made of wood and people. Both resources converted to dirt over time and thus there are no traces remaining. Brute force and appreciation for basic mathematics in design fills in the gaps. No mystery.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Hoyos
3 months ago

Yes, the Vikings were well tamed by the Church. Especially Martin Luther’s. Sorry Catholics, but little in your history can hold a votive candile to dour Protestantism 🙁. I mean, what good is life if you can’t go off drinking, wenching and plundering enroute to Valhalla?

Aristonicus
Aristonicus
Reply to  Hoyos
3 months ago

For the Ethiopians it wasn’t just Christianity: ~50% of their genome is Non-African. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-55344-y

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  David_Wright
3 months ago

In general, Roman Catholics are more willing to give credit where credit is due to our polytheist forebears than evangelicals are

There are some Christians who want to give the credit for Western success to Christianity. Rodney Stark also comes to mind. The fact is that Europeans did some pretty amazing things before Europe was Christianized and many Christian peoples are a mediocre lot, such as Kenyans and Guatemalans.

Of course, it would be “racist” to give credit to White people.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Reynard
3 months ago

Reminds me of the book, Don’t Sleep, There are Snakes. A Christian missionary goes into the jungle and comes out an enlightened atheist. He too really went overboard on how awesome this failed tribe is. They are so dumb that when boats were made for them, they used them until they didn’t work anymore and then went back to their old way, even though they were taught how to make them. They were so incapable of abstract thinking that they could not obtain any lesson from the Bible other than the literal words of the parable. He tells the story… Read more »

Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 months ago

Wait, if I’m reading you correctly, he finds this tribe admirable? They sound like Olympic level cretins,

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Hoyos
3 months ago

Yep. He deeply admires and respects them. He also says they are the happiest people he ever met. Most dumb people are pretty happy.

He even gave up his supposed belief in God because of their rejection.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 months ago

There’s a fellow I work with, uber-Christian, who married a girl who was raised by missionary parents in the Congo. He’s no dissident (in fact, his wife is miraculously more normal than he is) but he’s told me about the fact that his in-laws lament the fact that members of their own congregation will continue to steal things right out in the open, despite repeated Christian admonitions to the contrary. They’ve been living there a couple decades, witnessing this shit the entire time, and yet they still persist in trying to make a silk purse from a sow’s ear. The… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

It’s difficult for religion alone to overcome biology.

In two ways, Islam is good for Blacks because it micromanages a believer’s life right down to the proper way to relieve oneself and demands draconian punishments for misbehavior. That they understand.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 months ago

I recall seeing a movie with a similar plot, but can’t remember title. I think in the end the missionary just gives up; the tribe just couldn’t be taught civilization.

Someone
Someone
Reply to  Reynard
3 months ago

What are you saying? You mean these guys that wear a penis gourde could not possibly come here and have an electrical grid up and running with a few weeks training?

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Reynard
3 months ago

Ray;

Alternative explanation for the ‘keening over the beheaded they just killed in New Guinea’: Knowing at some level that they now will have to contend with his vengeful spirit. Hoping to placate that spirit with a fake show of remorse, IIRC from colonial ethnography.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  RealBill
3 months ago

I read the book 10 + years ago and remember it dawning on me once I closed the back cover: Hmmmph – he reached a conclusion before ever writing this book – which consisted of his preconceived notions to support a preconceived conclusion.

JMDGT
Member
3 months ago

White privilege. White ability. White discipline. White genes. Born to the manor. Jealousy rears its ugly head again.

Apex_Predator
Member
Reply to  JMDGT
3 months ago

An oft quoted phrase (below) but it really cuts to the hear of the matter. You can explain the entire modern era and dysfunction with that simple word you posted above: jealousy. Or some form of it, hatred, fear, etc. They are all bundled together by people that realize that the 300,000 year head start genetically (if you follow HBD science) is a bar that can only be lowered by either capturing white genes through admixture (jews masterfully did this all through the 19th and 20th century, thanks to the naivete of Eastern europeans and Russians primarily. Or the alternative,… Read more »

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Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Apex_Predator
3 months ago

Which is why we must separate from them and stop supporting them so they don’t feel so bad about themselves and can go back to eating one another…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Lineman
3 months ago

Separation assumes all of this perceived jealousy is on the part of minorities. I believe the behavior is supported by a lot of research in White groups as well. It’s really the basis of lots of public policy decisions when you get down to it. Folks will often chose to be equally poor rather than unequally rich if given the choice/power.

So getting separated from minorities is only half the battle. In some instances, I can see needing to separate from “Good Whites” as well.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

How do you eat an elephant?

One bite at a time Brother…

Alzaebo
Reply to  Lineman
3 months ago

That’s why the Elves sailed off to the west.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  JMDGT
3 months ago

Joseph Sobran, 1997: “Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have reveled the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of western power long after colonialism, imperialism and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles Whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The White man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. Superiority excites envy. Destroying White civilization is the inmost desire of… Read more »

theRussians
theRussians
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 months ago

I’ve been told by liberals how “lucky” I am to have been born in the west. I look at them and laugh as I say that luck had nothing to do with it.

I am the culmination of millennia of my ancestors diligence and sacrifice, I could not have been born to any other people or place. When I further express my pride in my forefathers, the liberal mood further worsens as I reject their projection of shame and guilt. That’s usually the end of it but they’ll get the classic “fk right off” if they really want it.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  theRussians
3 months ago

Perhaps the biggest “shit hole” in the world is Iceland. No, I’m not putting them down. Just showing that such a barren, god forsaken place can be developed and made into a comfortable home for thousands of *Whites* when they put their minds to it. Just about anyplace in Africa is superior in climate and resources—and yet…

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  theRussians
3 months ago

Every person on this planet has a perfect right to be proud of his ancestors. I’m not into multiculturalism, so don’t go off on me. But if you piss on your own ancestors, what exactly is it that you presume to possess that gives you a right to piss on mine?

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  JMDGT
3 months ago

In the “good old days” the ancestors of many of today’s less fortuante got to live on the manor too, just not in as comfortable surroundings 😏

Mike_C
Mike_C
3 months ago

The Jewish people don’t have a big trophy case like the people of the Occident.”

Well now, that would depend on what sort of achievement you deem worthy/fit for your trophy case. Do you value creation of or power over something? Some might say that the modern Occident near-entirely is IN the Jewish trophy case.

This is a very Christian dynamic. The good white, like the good Christian, embraces the fallen state of mankind.”

THAT is putting the cat among the pigeons….

Severian
3 months ago

A girlfriend gave me GGS to read when it first came out. I flipped through the intro,v saw that he was claiming, simultaneously, that a) people are all the same, and b) the literal Stone Age primitives of Papua New Guinea are the smartest on earth, and burst out laughing. Our relationship ended not long after, for some reason.

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Severian
3 months ago

You shoulda redpilled her. It’s not that hard, especially if you have a close relationship to the person. Everyone we pull out of the matrix is a potential asset. Even wahmens. You can start by just asking questions. Once you keep at it they will realize that their answers really don’t make any sense at all. Then the introspective process begins…

Severian
Reply to  FashGordon
3 months ago

GGS was published in 1997, so the red pill wasn’t really a thing back then. It was the End of History back then, remember? And we weren’t that close – “girl friend” is a euphemism for a more…. casual… relationship.

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Severian
3 months ago

I don’t actually, I’m a youngster so I was just a little kid in 97. Still, even if you aren’t close, the question asking route can be effective. Easy one too, New Guineans… smartest on earth.. can’t be too hard to eviscerate that theory.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Severian
3 months ago

Well said, Sir! My experience concurs. When I called her “fiancee,” the little guy downstairs was happier, if you get my meaning 😉

Pickle Rick
Member
Reply to  Severian
3 months ago

Diamond completely misunderstood the difference between “intelligent” and “skilled”. It’s really common among urban intellectuals to be overly impressed when they go out into the woods (or the jungle) when they find out people can function in a (to them) frightening and alien environment.

Thorsted
Thorsted
3 months ago

In John Milton`s Paradise Lost” from 1667 he writes that,

The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.”

The same can be said about human nature and it’s diversity.

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
3 months ago

I didn’t read Guns, Germs and Steel in depth, but I remember glancing through it in a book store. Oddly it reminded me of a book about the Kennedy assassination by David Lifton, “Best Evidence”. What they had in common was that the author had spun a perfectly plausible, detailed and perfectly internally consistent alternate explanation for a historical occurrence. The problem in both cases wasn’t that the theory was implausible, the problem was that, plausible or not, the author presented not a whit of evidence that the plausible occurrence had actually occurred. Basically, the tactic is that the author… Read more »

AltitudeZero
AltitudeZero
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
3 months ago

That’s a really good observation about Lifton’s book, and yes, it does have a lt in common with Diamond, now that you mention it.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
3 months ago

An excellent point. I’ve been reading about, and writing an essay about, the hypothesis the Wuhan lab as origin for the COVID-19 pandemic. As I resarched, it sounds very much like “Best Evidence.” In the case of the virus, there is no doubt who was working on what, they were doing it openly, nearly 20 years, published academic research often with USA funding. Among other appalling goals, make hotrodded germs for research, that would be dangerous plagues if they ever got loose. Relevant to COVID-19, just reading a few papers will show you that they essentially had a prototype SARS-CoV-2… Read more »

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Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
3 months ago

<I>People in modern democracies, particularly bourgeois people, need to believe that all people are born with the same innate talents and abilities.</i>

This is a white thing, not a bourgeois or democracy thing.

It ties in with whites pathological altruism, over deference to authority and High rate of out-group preference.

Probably a biological imprint left on Europeans by a millennia of domination by the Christian church.

Apex_Predator
Member
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 months ago

Helpful Pro Tip since I’m seeing a couple days of the same issue here. Lots of people using tags still <i></i>, etc. for Italics. If you look at the bottom of the posting window those are now provided for you with click buttons. So you can easily change modifiers with a few button clicks. This has been a Public Service Announcement, thank you!

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 months ago

But that same Church encouraged “out group preference” of defensive violence (Crusades) for millennia. And as Zman points out, NAWALT. In fact, you can’t even say EWALT (enough whites are like that). There is a certain subgroup that seems to go for that thing, and they have somehow gotten into positions of power taking the masses along with them. ‘Tis a mystery.

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Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 months ago

I’ve heard all my life “you can be whatever you want to be if you put your mind to it.” Americans traditionally took pride in the high degree of social mobility found in this country at one time. Many of the Greatest Generation were born poor, muddled through the Depression, served in the War and achieved prosperity afterwards. That was something they bragged about.

In practice, until recently, it was recognized that some people are just smarter than others or have natural abilities that others lack. A person really can’t be whatever he sets mind to be.

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 months ago

Yes, one truism from Bible (or even earlier) is the golden rule. “Do unto others as you would be done unto.” I think this is verified in pschology too. Problem in practice: different people and different cultures may have dramatically different concepts of how me or thee should be treated. Closer to Stone Age your golden rule may be, as the T-shirt used to say, “Do unto others, then split.”

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Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 months ago

“Golden Rule”? Oh hell no.That’s the rapist’s justification (see below). The proper thing is: Do undo others as they would have you do unto them. Within reason.

Golden Rule in action: Ibrahim really wants Becky to slam him against the wall, rip his clothes off, and have sex with him. Applying the Golden Rule, Ibrahim waylays Becky in the parking garage, rips her clothes off and has sex with her against her will.

Tell me where Ibrahim did wrong by the Golden Rule. He did unto her as he would have had her do unto him.

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bilejones
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 months ago

I was brought up with the Liverpool version.

Do unto others before they do you.

Carrie
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 months ago

Edit: Catholic Church, mostly.
It was only in about 1515 that Henry the Man-Child got bored with his first wife.
Of course, Luther was making up his own version of the Bible round about the same time over in Germany.

usNthem
usNthem
3 months ago

Big nose has much to answer for in this past century. The purblind stupidity of the virtue signaling egalitarian believing “good whites” is breathtaking to behold. Like the pics of those jackoffs shuffling along in chains and yokes as atonement for white privilege, or something. The excuse making for blacks lack of anything (other than outsized criminality & violence) is simply off the charts.

Epaminondas
Member
3 months ago

I would like to propose a law which would state that any missionary must remain at least ten years in the country where his “mission” takes him. If I were king, I would not even let them come back. Once you left to go on a mission, you lost your citizenship. I really can’t stand these people.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 months ago

Epaminondas, I hear you. But I can also testify wrt a friend from church who went on a “mission” of sorts for the church to help the poor Christians down South build homes for themselves. He went once and came back red-pilled. Took him one mission and what he described to me wrt the people he was helping could make quite a blog posting for this group. So it’s a two edged sword I believe.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

I heard Homes for Humanity was a reverse minstrel show, where welfare blacks with Cadillacs could watch sweaty, grinning whites build them a nice house.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 months ago

“Habitat for Humanity.” Yes, exactly.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

A friend of mine had the same experience. He went to Peru to “help” the people there. Reality intruded and he discovered that the Peruvians were filthy and dumb…and could not be helped. Nor did they desire to be “helped”.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

African joke:

Question: What’s the difference between a tourist and a racist?

Answer: Two weeks.

Liberals have been saying for I don’t know how long that “prejudice is ignorance.” Sometimes that’s true, but, IMO, it’s just as true that “familiarity breeds contempt.” Sometimes a person is justified in wishing to avoid, disliking, etc., members of another group of people.

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Carrie
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Epaminodas / Compsci:
Clarification: Epa is talking about “missions” OUTSIDE the USA.
You are talking about missions “inside” the USA.
I imagine that the American South is slightly more up-market (even with all its ills) than, say, Namibia.

TomA
TomA
3 months ago

Jared Diamond was a geographer by education and an anthropologist by aspiration. Serendipitously for him, he was not born with a sufficient IQ to become the latter, and hence failed at real science, but succeeded proto-xerlscience. A healthy society culls the stupid, which is how all cohorts of our species advance.

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Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  TomA
3 months ago

Tom; High IQ anthropologists_? Have you met any lately_? Asking for a friend. Pre the complete MultiCulti, soft Marxist pozzing of Big U, there used to be lively debate among the 5 or so competing anthropology schools of thought. One of those took the (obvious to me) position that cultures compete, some succeed, some don’t. So it took some IQ back in the day just to keep all the competing schools’ arguments and their various bodies of selective ethnographic evidence straight. No more_! SJW Rules, Baby_! [best Austin Powers voice] So no more selection for Q, much less for IQ.… Read more »

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TomA
TomA
Reply to  Al from da Nort
3 months ago

I think all of the practitioners of the soft sciences should have to compete at least once a year in the Octagon and duke it out to the death. It’s the only way to be sure.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  TomA
3 months ago

Tom;

I like it_! Each ‘combatant’ hurling obscure insults for their respective corners and yet not coming out: Just like Monty Python.

The SJW female cat fights would be the best. Each literally shaking and shrieking, ‘Daddy do something_!’

Ozark
Ozark
3 months ago

I attempted to read Guns, Germs and Steel a number of years ago. If I recollect correctly, I got through two chapters and decided reading any further would be a waste of time. It was clear by that point that it was an exercise in making sweeping “scientific” conclusions based on cherry picked anecdotal evidence. For the same reason I have never been able to come close to finishing anything by Malcolm Gladwell. These folks claim to be presenting “science” in a form accessible to the Average Joe, when in fact they are taking a desired conclusion, usually one that… Read more »

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  Ozark
3 months ago

It’s funny how that works, Ozark. I remember my posturing teachers in high school, sneering with disgust at the fascists of Nazi Germany and now they used fake science to prove Jews were subhuman apes. And how all the stupid krauts fell for it and got duped into mass murdering 6 million innocent Jews. And today – most of them are environmentalists, SJW’s and accept Xirl Science and its other variants. At the rate we’re going that will be the next big seller – a scientific screed that proves white people are subhuman apes. Stock up on beer, ammo and… Read more »

Horace
Horace
3 months ago

Politics is downstream of culture and culture is downstream of biology. The differences between us are not only not skin deep, but begin with significant observed genomic variation in the neural, endocrine, and immune systems. Different peoples have different preferences for how to socially, economically, and politically organize themselves and these preferences are rooted in biology. There is no ‘one-size-fits-all’ way for humanity to live together in peace. Diversity has never been a strength anywhere at any time in human history. The way forward is omni-nationalism (many nationalisms) where each large group has their own space and is in complete… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Horace
3 months ago

I’m a clinical lab guy, specifically a blood banker. Trust me, if I fail to take into account the sex and race of the patient, very bad things can happen.

Apex_Predator
Member
Reply to  Outdoorspro
3 months ago

Well, I can tell you on our current trajectory within probably 5 years max you will not be taking either of those metrics anymore since the lunatics are now in controls of all levers of power. If you doubt this, something directly related to your field from Unz yesterday:

https://www.unz.com/isteve/uh-oh-the-social-justice-jihadis-are-starting-to-take-race-is-just-a-social-construct-seriously/

No need to worry about proteins / bloodtyping, das rayciss! Just use different words… the control of language is primary in the authoritarian narrative. 1984 was a roadmap for how important changing words are to building the prison of the mind.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Apex_Predator
3 months ago

I guess there’s an upside to this. These SJWs can’t help but constantly virtue signal, so they’ll be easy to identify. Just be sure to read their bios when choosing a provider. Also, people who decide that that’s the provider they want might leave the gene pool a little earlier…

Carrie
Reply to  Outdoorspro
3 months ago

Here’s the thing: the SJWs et al. [many; not all] really do believe what they are saying. It’s like what has been said here before: it’s a replacement for a religion. Truly. I am on a committee with 6 folks, all SJWs in the major metro area where I live. Honest to Pete, they really do believe it. And they are so eager to have the b la ck mes si ah who has just been invited to our committee to ‘educate’ us about what we can do better. (I was very proud of myself at how I stayed silent.… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Apex_Predator
3 months ago

What’s interesting is that the same set of persons who claim gender (as opposed to sex) and race are social constructs are exactly those whose academic publications are all ABOUT gender and race, and it’s generally NOT cast in the form of “these are artificial constructs” but rather in terms of “disparities.”

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Outdoorspro
3 months ago

Please tell me where the blood is manufactured. Sounds like an actionable case. I think the ACLU and Justice Dept. should be notified 😎

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Horace
3 months ago

If we don’t have an ocean that separates us then we would be in a constant state of war until one side wiped out the other…They would never leave us alone because we have what they want and can’t produce themselves…

theRussians
theRussians
Member
Reply to  Horace
3 months ago

I’ve tried to tell liberals that borders exist because tribes cannot get along without them. It seems quite unsatisfactory to them, even though they’ve never considered the possibility.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Horace
3 months ago

Blasphemer. Murder hornets and African killer bees built the railroads and this county.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

Naturally, those true believer whites – which is to say, almost all whites – never feel the need to personally atone for their luck/white privilege by living in mixed areas or giving away a substantial portion of their net worth to non-whites.

Recently a friend’s wife – it’s always the wife – lamented the poverty of black children and how it made it hard for them to afford college. (BS, of course, but another story). I suggested that she give her kids’ 529 plan money to charities that help pay for black kids to go to college.

Crickets.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

“…how it made it hard for them to afford college.”

As you note, BS. I have years of experience in this area. There are so few Americanized-Africans (~44 million mean iq 85) that have both the interest and the ability to do the work that departments cherry-pick and import from abroad the best out of the MUCH more numerous baseline African populations (>1billion mean iq 71) to fill their diversity billets. Literally, academic affirmative action exists not to help the descendants of slaves but to stroke shitlib egos.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Horace
3 months ago

Yep. Obama was a very good example of how AA works on the ground. I know some guys who run businesses that require pretty bright people. They’re always looking for that magic black guy. The only time they can find one, which is very, very rare, the guy always has some African last name.

Brain drain is real. Africa is losing what little decent human capital they have, not that it would matter.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

When I was bankstering I was constantly being proffered various vibrants for a seat on my desk,- in one case with an additional headcount if I took a female one. The bitching whining snivelling and wailing when I produced a genuine Ghanaian (with a big round face like the blackest sun) that I’d been coaching on the side for a couple of years, was epic. Somehow the headcount vanished,

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
Reply to  bilejones
3 months ago

Great story Bile.

Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  bilejones
3 months ago

Things no one wants to talk about: ethnic groups are real, and I don’t mean just race. I’ve worked with Igbo Nigerians who were sharp.

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camdennj
camdennj
Reply to  Hoyos
3 months ago

Average IQ =91.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

Brain drain works at the local level as well. One of the side effects of the Great Society and the legislated ending of deed restrictions was that Blacks of the “talented tenth” could now move out of segregated areas. Almost over night the Black neighborhoods were removed of their best and brightest. And so we have the concentrated ignorance and violence found today in our inner cities.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Hasn’t helped a lot of rural white communities either.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Long ago when Bill Bonner was still writing at Daily Reckoning, he talked about post-war big US cities, not sure it was Baltimore but it’ll do: Bonner noted that over some decades, the city had lost half of its population, and that the half remaining was not the better half. 😜

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Horace
3 months ago

I merely challenge the “Blacks too poor to afford college” folks to name one documented instance of any qualified Black unable to afford college. As pointed out, any Black student who has any ability to warm a seat for four years in University can easily get a complete ride. And yes, Blacks outside the country are most sought after when the school requires more than a room temperature IQ. Personal example, son and his best friend went to a private engineering school. Both were top of the graduating class in different areas. Parents were invited to special breakfast with Deans… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Actually, I disagree. I don’t care how smart or hard working members of another tribe are. They’re not my tribe and I don’t want them in my land.

Nothing personal against them, just tribal business.

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

The school was private, not to my understanding on the public dime. Therefore, those who can afford it, purchase dtheir place there. As long as merit remains the criteria for those who attend, I’m content. One other thing along those lines, the school had a large number of Russian faculty (former USSR types). These guys were tops in their fields and fled as soon as they could get out of that shitshow called communism. Perhaps they took a US graduate’s job, I don’t know. But I do know they impressed my son as none other. These guys literally berated the… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

How many student and faculty slots do the Japanese allow foreigners to take in their universities? How many of those get to stay after graduating?

It’s not about merit. It’s about tribe/family. Let them train their own. Should we let into the country anyone who is a great guy or smart? Would Israel let in 20 million super high-IQ Chinese because they’re smart and hard-working?

Of course not, because they aren’t family. Simple.

What about tribe/family do you not get?

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

How many student and faculty slots do the Japanese allow foreigners to take in their universities?

The ironic part is that’s mechanically easier to accomplish than you’d imagine. Have a bachelors degree is basically a general requisite for any foreigner seeking employment, having an advanced STEM degree you can walk into many jobs here. Thing is, you have to fit in somehow. Not be Japanese, but I mean fulfill some expected role. Practically play out an archetype. In other words, you conform to the Japanese, not the other way around.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Forever Templar
3 months ago

It’s not about conforming. Regression to the mean says that the fairly white-acting black guy’s kids and certainly grandkids and most definitely great grandkids will act like your average black.

If Japan let in enough Japanese, it’s the Japanese who would have to conform.

Not sure why it’s hard for people to understand regression to mean. Obviously, it’s not, but generations of conditioning have made us retarded.

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

You’re very lucky, Citizen.

You are absolutely right in all of that. It’s always the woman, it’s always the same hypocrisy, and when you bust them on it, as you did – the response is usually NOT crickets – it’s shocked disbelief, then rage, then accusations of racism, fascism, crimethink, etc etc.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  John Smith
3 months ago

You’re right. It was crickets this time, but usually, I’m met with anger and accusations when I point out their logical inconsistencies and hypocrisy. And their husbands – who I know or, at least, suspect – agree with me never say a word. The women are the most hostile, but that’s just nature’s way. Women need the tribe for protection so they will defend its dogma most intensely. We live in a theocracy – the Cult of Equality – so women will accept and defend its beliefs the most. It’s in their DNA. Women follow whomever they believe is in… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

We trash on white women a lot around here, but the truth is that white men don’t offer them another community/tribe that will protect them.”

Wow. Something tells me that’s the secret sauce, the something that would bring the men together.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 months ago

I agree. It’s why we need to build an alternative.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

I agree in principle. Speaking for myself, the only flaw I see in your argument is that, if successful, I would have women around me 🤔 Just my opinion; I guess I’m just an evolutionary dead-end.

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Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 months ago

Women are great. Men need women, and women need men. I’ve never seen more happy women that when they have a strong man. And I say that as a guy who struggles a fair amount with a Nice White Lady wife.

But even she seems happiest when I say, This is my path; I’m going this direction with or without you. Women want a strong man. Not a dick or some guy who hits them. Just a man who knows his path.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

Why? As long as they need basketball teams…

BTP
Member
3 months ago

Lot going on here. Back in the day, I was thinking about joining the State Department because reasons. In preparation, there was a reading list and on that list was both of the books Z mentions in this post. I couldn’t be bothered with Guns, but I read Why Nations Fail and thought it to be complete crap. That helped soften the blow when they found my narrative of how I benefited from my many multicultural experiences to be not very compelling. But, yeah, it’s important to understand that this sort of thing is exactly what the people running American… Read more »

Horace
Horace
Reply to  BTP
3 months ago

“…but they cooperated with the intelligence that was their inheritance.”

That inheritance was PAID in full, in advance, with the suffering and death of their forebears. (before the industrial revolution boreal winters were a bitch) We have higher mean cognitive and cooperative capabilities than Africans because the excessively stupid and uncooperative were weeded out of our gene pool. East Asians went through a similar process and Africans did not.

It is not our responsibility to fix this problem which is not of our making, but to isolate ourselves from the consequences.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Horace
3 months ago

Yeah, but it wasn’t paid by us. From our perspective, it was a gift. My great-grandfather tamed a homestead in North Dakota, I only inherited some of his grit. He earned it.

I think my point is that what we have is, in some important way, not really ours to do with as we see fit. We don’t really have the right to settle Somalians in Minnesota and it’s only a lack of respect that makes anyone consider it.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  BTP
3 months ago

BTP, wise words. As I was taught by the nuns in parochial school, we are to be “good stewards” of the resources bequeath to us. Of course they were talking about ecology/environmental type BS. But the concept extends to how one passes down ones inheritance as well.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  BTP
3 months ago

I have a female relative who in 1970s applied for a job at State Dept. Not accepted. Weird thing is that 20+ years later, she was belatedly offered a job. Some kind of equal opportunity case, apparently, even though she was not involved.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
3 months ago

Good article. We are gonna need more of that Good White Bible after the police get a good mugging in Minneapolis over that dumb cop.

Congregation! Please turn to the book of blacks don’t have any mercy on whitey for any mistakes and read from Chapter 3 verse 3.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
3 months ago

I wonder what that jo99er was up to. Did he accidentally fall underneath a walking policeman?

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 months ago

Be careful there, as some questions are not allowed.

I remember the Rodney King issue many years back. My father had recently retired from the LAPD and had some inside info. Basically, RK got the beating he deserved, but the cops who did it were too stupid to do it in private.

A few years after some liberal asked him about it. He turned it back on her by pointing out that RK had, once again, been arrested for domestic violence.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Outdoorspro
3 months ago

Damm right Rodney deserved it.

The month before he’d split some black lady cashier’s skull with a crowbar.

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 months ago

Yep, RK was definitely a low life. Hell, even his multimillions in settlement were pissed away quIckly. However, let’s be careful with the street justice applause. The resulting riots from his “just” beating left dozens dead and injured and millions in property damage.

Such is the problem with our vibrancy these days. Chose your battles wisely.

Ingroup Preferences
Ingroup Preferences
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
3 months ago

Meanwhile the hysteria over the original Jogger reaches new levels of outlandishness I never thought would have been possible. Not only has the guy filming the whole accident been arrested and charged with felony murder, but according to the latest Radio Derb, law enforcement is hunting for the McMichaels’ childhood schoolteachers and have even hauled in their dentists and Starbucks baristas for questioning. I honestly can’t tell if the Derb was joking or if those things actually happened. And still no wall-to-wall coverage from the MSM on the slaughter of the Marinos. Regarding this latest accident… who cares. I’m under… Read more »

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Alzaebo
Reply to  Ingroup Preferences
3 months ago

“I don’t care about other tribes.”

The way to deal with that, since it rubs the wrong way, is to punish anything that brings shame or harm to one’s Skin.

Self-policing. Notice that our betters have lost control of it, and it’s eating them alive. More proof then that theirs is the social construct, based on imposed projection.

[That is, (((projection))).]

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 months ago

From some reading on tribes (Fukuyama maybe?) I remember being surprised to learn that, as noted above, even in the case of an offense against another tribe, the perp’s own tribe should be the one to adminster the punishment, even if it was execution. At first killing one’s own, even for a crime, seems unnatural but it had a practical survival purpose: to keep peace with the out-tribe. Equally logical would be to argue the victim’s tribe should have the right to punish, but the likely result from that is blood feud or tribal wars.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Ingroup Preferences
3 months ago

VoxDay put it far more succinctly than I could in his blog today -you do not “take sides against your own civilization due to the moral failure of a handful of men.” The reverse also applies (contra Compsci above) – you do not take sides against your own due to the purported brilliance or ability to pay by others.

Central Park One
Central Park One
Reply to  3g4m
3 months ago

The TDS guys had a similar good conclusion on the poor AWFL in Central Park: https://therightstuff.biz/2020/05/27/tds598/ I’m not even being sarcastic with “poor”: sure, the lady was an AWFL, but she’s one of us and my sympathy will always go out to her first, never to the Jogger. The TDS guys pointed out how this is an assault on us all: how many of us have AWFL wives, daughters, moms, sisters, or nieces who we still care about despite their AWFLness? They could be next! The only silver lining is that this AWFL might have learned that just because she’s… Read more »

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Ingroup Preferences
3 months ago

Yes, even here in FL over the weekend it was 200 or so Melanic Hominids® in Daytona being disorderly. 5 shot, no deaths amazingly. What I find amusing is (1) that Yahoo news allows comments and (2) I haven’t been banned yet.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
3 months ago

Steve Sailer has written a lot about Diamond over the years. Here’s an interesting meeting Steve had with Diamond from a 2005 article in Vdare: As far as I can tell, Diamond only lectures, never debates. I’ve never heard of him ever allowing himself to be dragged into a public discussion with a well-informed opponent. I talked to Diamond once after he gave a speech. We were chatting nicely until I asked him a tough question along the lines outlined above: Wouldn’t different agricultural environments select for different hereditary traits in different locales? I mentioned how James Q. Wilson’s The Marriage Problem has a… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
3 months ago

Was Hazony really a coward or just a con man not wanting to admit the con?

I understand Jewish motivations and tactics. They’re running a disinformation campaign. Doesn’t do any good to acknowledge that fact.

OTOH, gentile whites peddling the same stuff are far more fascinating. Their motivations and end goals vary greatly.

Vizzini
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Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

“And.”

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Reply to  thezman
3 months ago

After The One was introduced to the U of Chicago faculty after being appointed visiting professor of something or other John Lott approached him and asked a question causing Barry to sprint off without a word.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  thezman
3 months ago

Sounds like my experience with a prominent Presbyterian who spent a lot of time in Africa paying for wells to provide clean water. I pointed out that this merely increased the birth rate, and ended up overpopulating areas that could not sustain this population increase…thereby putting pressure on Europe to accept yet more African immigrants who were “distressed”. Dude walked away. He didn’t want to hear it.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 months ago

Yes, I’ve done the same when on occasion I’ve been asked to donate to Unicef or similar. The “what about population growth?” question doesn’t make me very popular, but it does make the beggar go away. Charity is fine, but don’t make the problem worse. AA will give visitors a cup of coffee and a doughnut, not an open bar ☺

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Wolf Barney
3 months ago

We may look down upon these neolithic societies, but from the man’s point of view, you can’t deny he has a pretty cushy deal, doubly so if it is an Islamic country.

Sperg Adjacent
Sperg Adjacent
3 months ago

I apologise to our muscular Christians, who surely take something genuinely fortifying from it, but I really do buy the Nietschean (and now neo-Nietschean) argument that Christianity was Slave Morality 1.0, Marxism was 2.0, and now Multiculturalism is 3.0

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
3 months ago

Sperg; You are, of course, free to buy whatever you like, but for the benefit of other readers, I must point out that you are mistaken in your views. I hope you’ll reconsider. Re slave religion: Historically, some slaves were Christians and some were not. Some Christians were not slaves and some were. Neither state is determinative of the other. The Christian view is that there are two kinds of slaves, horizontal (slaves to other men) and vertical. In the vertical dimension, a man is either a slave to sin and death or a servant (not slave) of God and… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Al from da Nort
3 months ago

If I remember my Philosophy for Dummies or equivalent, I think Nietsche said Judaism was the slave religion. He (or another author, perhaps?) claimed that, for example, the ten commandments gave the tribe(s) survival value as it encouraged behavior acceptable to the master (host) society. Given three thousand years, they’ve almost switched places, some would argue!

Alzaebo
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
3 months ago

The most irritating thing about Marxism is the constant refrain of “the workers” as if they were only fit for a plow harness, and every crop and field were the same.

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Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
3 months ago

Because this book is both dangerous and so poorly argued it is useful in picking apart all the foundations of Blank Slatism. This is especially true in circles of people who think of themselves as educated, well-read, contemplative, etc… Faulk’s video is very good. There are also a lot of very critical reviews from academics of the book. It’s now more accepted in anthropology depts than it was when it came out. This tells you something about the ever declining state of the academy. Anthropology depts were largely already progressive and anti-white in the late 90s but there were limits… Read more »

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Yves Vannes
3 months ago

We should read the books our enemies see as creedal. If we understand where their objections to group differences come from they become easier to pick apart.”

Precisely. That’s why I called GG&S a good read. It is a pretty good compendium of oft used argument(s) against HBD. One needs to be familiar with it, rather than just condemning it off hand.

The follow up book, “Collapse”, is not as good a read, but does illustrate the author’s biases wrt ecology as does GG&S wrt HBD.

The Babe
The Babe
3 months ago

Question I really don’t know the answer to myself: do you think the authors mentioned in this post really believe their theories or not?

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  The Babe
3 months ago

I’m not sure that they ever really thought about whether they believed their theories. It fit a narrative that works for them personally and their people so that’s the only truth they need.

They believe in their theories insofar as those theories reinforce a larger truth. Early medieval scholars were the same. Their writings were more concerned with the “Truth” than the facts. Current whites conflate the two, but, historically, they are two different things.

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Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

Good point. Pilpul at work. Good and Evil defined by what’s good for the group vs what’s bad for the group. They always take their side as do almost all groups except for that easily bamboozled one from that little peninsula on the western edge of the Asian continent.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Yves Vannes
3 months ago

The highest Law:

“You took one of ours…”

Without guilt.

Without mercy.

Without relent.

To our great credit, we tried to be nice. We bent over backwards to be fair. And look where it got us.

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Hilltop
Hilltop
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

Yeah, maybe it’s better to look at what they’re doing as theology rather than scholarship: trying to produce clever arguments that reinforce the core, never-to-be-questioned dogmas.

Walrus Aurelius
Reply to  The Babe
3 months ago

They spend a lot of time trying to convince themselves of it, if they don’t believe it.

Medium-to-bad Optics
Medium-to-bad Optics
3 months ago

Without a fully functioning Jewdar you’d have no way to make sense of all this.

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Medium-to-bad Optics
3 months ago

I was so confused as to why whites would work so hard and come up with such elaborate falsehoods to undermine their own kin before I put that one together. Once I did it was very cathartic. It all made sense now. It wasn’t our group trying to undermine our own kind for some suicidal reason, it was an alien group undermining our power in order to maintain their own supremacy. It actually made me happy in a way. I was very blackpilled on whites before I started asking the JQ. Now I love my people and want to do… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  FashGordon
3 months ago

Because some Whites have no “kin”. That is to say, little ingroup as opposed to outgroup preference.

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

That’s not inherent to us though. We are brainwashed into believing it’s evil to express a preference for our own. It’s an unnatural state for our people to be in and so it can be undone. If the brainwashing ever stopped for an extended period it would go away on it’s own.

Alzaebo
Reply to  FashGordon
3 months ago

Amen to that! I was a weepy p*ssy thinking that we were the sinners deserving punishment.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  FashGordon
3 months ago

The JQ should always be asked especially when it comes to insane or suicidal social notions being promulgated through white society.

The Bagel eaters just can’t help themselves when it comes to tearing down white society.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Rwc1963
3 months ago

“Bagel eaters.” Love it.

Tax Slave
Tax Slave
3 months ago

Since you’re on the subject of race, Zman, have you heard that “birdwatcher” is the new “jogger”?

This story (despite the fact that she is a leftist) reeks of total bullshit.

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-coopers-park-20200526-m4yhi6vkcfea3kxk3ntjc736s4-story.html

Alzaebo
Reply to  Tax Slave
3 months ago

Tax slave, look up yesterday’s comments.

Both sides of that idiocracy were covered nicely.

“birdwatcher” is the new “jogger”–Zzzing!

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
3 months ago

I, for one, have no interest in inquiring into Jared Diamond’s ethnic loyalties.

“Germs” was first introduced to me by a very smart Persian man that I was working with in the dot com era. He pushed it on me with an aggression that I did not understand at the time. I now see it as civilizational resentment.

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Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 months ago

I used to hold a similar view when I was a Good White. But exposure to other ethnic groups quickly banished such silly views.

Ethnic loyalties DO MATTER Just because you have SJW leanings doesn;’t mean squat to brown skinned ethnics or to Jews. All they see is a white SUCKER.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Rwc1963
3 months ago

This is quite true. Liberals get scammed way more often from various ethnic scammers.

Sometimes the ethnic scammers don’t even approach me. It’s not that I look like a skinhead or anything but they know right away who’s a sucker and who’s not. It’s part of chutzpah.

c matt
c matt
3 months ago

“Guns, Germs and Steal.” 

I am sure it was a typo, but that would have been a great title too.

Extra Anonymous
Extra Anonymous
3 months ago

I made the mistake of taking an Introduction to Sociology course at an Ivy League university about ten years ago.

Literally every single thing we read in the class boiled down to: making excuses for black people.

Diamond is squarely in that tradition. There is just an absolutely enormous industry devoted solely to this practice. And “respectable” academics will publish absolutely absurd theories in order to stand out in this crowded field.

The strange thing is that they’ve built mountains of lies in order to hide two humble little letters:

IQ

Oceanic
Oceanic
Reply to  Extra Anonymous
3 months ago

You broke it, you bought it.

That is a fact in so many cultures. Now what specific, plausible solutions are there to addressing those broken cultures?

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
3 months ago

Z-man, you described my brother in law perfectly. Very “Christian”, liberal guy who, every time some incident like the recent cop/knee thing happens, gets all self-righteous on facebook about white privilege. Meanwhile, he has to be the most Southern white guy I’ve ever known. Honestly, I’m embarrassed for him. He seems to think it makes him better than others.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Outdoorspro
3 months ago

Have some fun with him. Ask him whether he’s thinking of moving his family to a mix neighborhood and/or sending his kids to a mixed school so they don’t have so much privilege. Seriously, though, a great tactic with people like this is to be 100% on their side. Agree 100% that white privilege is real and horrible. Then, just follow the logic to its natural conclusion: Whites should be stripped of their wealth and forced to live with other groups so our ill-gotten culture/privilege can rub off on them. Your brother-in-law doesn’t really believe what he’s saying. If he… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

I like that tactic, Citizen. Another one that’s fun to do is also agree 100 percent that white privilege is a problem. But first we should work on a couple of larger problems: Asian Privilege and Jewish Privilege. After all, those two groups make more money per capita than whites, do well in school, etc. Then watch your leftist friend shut up real fast about white privilege.

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Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Wolf Barney
3 months ago

Yeah, I’ve done that before. It’s extremely effective. And you’re right, it’s literally like a mute button. They look at you for a second and then just shut up. No response either way, just silence.

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

This are the moments when I most wish I was clairvoyant. To be able to see exactly how the gears were turning in their heads would be very entertaining.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

I get your point. But the only way to strip a White of his wealth would be to take it, and then prevent him from further accumulation of wealth. In short, make him a slave or a prisoner. For if left to compete in a fair economic process, he will again acquire such wealth from his inferiors.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

The Allies leveled Germany to the ground during WWII, yet Germany rebounded to the point that they began importing guest workers from Italy in 1955. Imports from other Southern European countries and eventually Moslems followed.

Milestone D
Milestone D
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

I live inside the Beltway near Chevy Chase. Full of virtue-signaling leftists. Every third house “Hate Has No Home Here”, that sort of thing. But now the neighborhood is full of signs for two white guys running for school board after the Diversity board members started advocating school busing with the explicit justification of changing demographic mix in schools. Hilarious, or would be if the stakes weren’t so high. Deep down, my neighbors must acknowledge reality, but I’m convinced that virtue-signaling feeling is intoxicating, as long as there’s no risk. Conclusion: some SWPLs can be brought to this side of… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Milestone D
3 months ago

Outer NoVa here. Same deal. Used to live in Arlington which is just to the left of San Francisco. Man, the howls that you would here from diversity-loving liberals when the school board started talking about moving school district lines to get more Hispanics into white schools or vice versa. Watching them try to explain their opposition to the plan without mentioning race was a ball. It was then that I understood that there was no reasoning with these people. They would never admit the truth – and they would let every other white kid except their own get thrown… Read more »

urbando
urbando
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 months ago

I’m in the minority in my neighborhood already. Looking to move south and out of NoVA.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Milestone D
3 months ago

I view the “Hate Has No Home Here” signs as “Cliff’s Notes” for neighborhood accountability files 🙂

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Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Mike_C
3 months ago

Every time I see one of those signs, I think the slogan should be “Loyalty Has No Home Here.”

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Milestone D
3 months ago

Why on earth would you even want SWPLs on this side? Traitors cannot and should not be trusted.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Milestone D
3 months ago

I grew up just south in slighly less aflluent Vienna (the cheaper neighborhoods). They are true liberals, they do love the Others, they are just worried for the astronomical value of their homes. With all the trouble PG had in 1960s?-1970s with bussing, I am surprised anybody in Montgomery would even want to consider it.

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Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Outdoorspro
3 months ago

Outdoors;

Yeah. I don’t know why we can’t just say that it’s wrong to kill a now incapacitated guy by kneeling on his neck even if he’s been a jerk, and leave it go at that.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Al from da Nort
3 months ago

Perhaps it’s not that wrong? No, we should not readily accept that folks should die when being restrained, but I’ve seen police put a knee on a down man’s head or neck more than once in videos. Usually, the suspect is cuffed quickly and it’s over when there are two or more cops. Here there were four and one looked like he was more interested in moving the public back than subduing the suspect. He didn’t even turn around to watch. So is this a subduing tactic gone wrong, or brutality with an logical expectation of physical harm? We need… Read more »

Pickle Rick
Member
3 months ago

I had to read GGS way back in the mid 90s as an undergrad. I find it quaint now that we know that Europeans (and to a lesser extent some Asians) have Neanderthal genes. Guess who doesn’t? Negroes.

Member
Reply to  Pickle Rick
3 months ago

I still watch various science videos on YouTube. Every now and then there’s one about human evolution. At some point they will mention that modern Europeans basically came about through hybridizing with Neanderthals and Asians from both that and a less well known group called the Denisovans. Then they will mention the fact that Africans seem to have no infusions of genes from either group. You can almost hear the “moving right along” after they bring that up. It’s tempting to wonder if there might be something in this that, well, explains certain things… We must resist those temptations though… Read more »

Pickle Rick
Member
Reply to  pozymandias
3 months ago

It really starts sinking in with the new science that Neanderthals were not stupid, hairy brutes, and likely were just as intelligent as Homo sapiens. They’ll endlessly bang on about Neanderthal genes for red hair or straight hair but seem curiously uninterested in Neanderthal genes in our brains, and what that implies for Negro cognition.

We’re really a different species, but that’s unspeakable Badthink.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Pickle Rick
3 months ago

Neanderthals had larger brains than Sapiens. Their shortcoming seems to have been in aggression.

JBee449
JBee449
3 months ago

Accepting observable reality of biological diversity is not incompatible with a belief in original sin. That a Catholic believes all humans may achieve salvation through God’s grace does not mean he also believes all humans will or can, no matter how much he wishes they would.

Damian
Damian
3 months ago

I was bought this book for Christmas by my brother in law, so read it in full. I was not aware of the JQ at the time so assumed JD was ‘whitey’ and sincere in his arguments. But I was working in South Sudan back then and fully understood how Africa really works, so I was better informed than most. I felt that the title was completely wrong, and simply needed to be called ‘agriculture’. His argument was very weak and full of fallacies and I didn’t like the book much. Also he put a load of random photos of… Read more »

Thorsted
Thorsted
Reply to  Damian
3 months ago

I brought David Landes book when it came out. I was a subschriber to “The Economist” back then and they had given his book a poor review. They didn’t like that he wrote that culture made such a difference. So, it was a tabu back then too.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Thorsted
3 months ago

In 2007, Michael Hart published “Understanding Human History” which pokes plenty of holes in Diamond’s theories.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Damian
3 months ago

“can’t remember the exact reason but I think it was to do with their internal mapping of their tribal area” This sounds like arguments made in favor of the supposed intellectual superiority of Australian aboriginals on the basis of the their mythology regarding “Songlines” laid down by semi-mythical ancestors and completely mythical spirits. To be clear, I actually have no problem with people having a mythical (and/or mystical) belief connecting them to the land and their ancestors. That might even be a good thing. Where I have a problem is twofold: 1) how much do I have to bend my… Read more »

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
3 months ago

Z Man; Here’s a added point of evidence that Why Nations Fail is a conclusion in search of justification. The Amazon review you link makes a big deal out of S Korea’s prosperity vs N Korea’s awful poverty. How many people here know that S Korea is now a highly Christian country that sends missionaries to Europe and N America_? And it has been for quite some time. Looking around the skyline of Seoul even in the early 1990s I could hardly escape seeing crosses on substantial buildings at every azimuth. Cause, effect or coincidence_? Being a Christian myself, I’m… Read more »

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KGB
KGB
Reply to  Al from da Nort
3 months ago

Spent a few months in Seoul in 1996 and that was one of the first things one noticed, the red neon crosses on top of so many buildings at night.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Al from da Nort
3 months ago

Worth noting that for as bad as the government in NK is and for as impoverished as the nation is they still have pretty functional nuclear and rocket programs. That’s thing people gloss over in regards to the Soviet Union, for as bad a system as it was, it accomplished remarkable things, but the same system in the hands of Latin Americans just leads to open sewers, starvation and zero accomplishments.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
3 months ago

really the question then becomes: are “good whites” really white any longer?

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 months ago

Some never were.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Vizzini
3 months ago

(((Whites))) in name only.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
3 months ago

Guns, Germs and Steel is a great book because it shows even lengthy up close exposure to diversity is useless in convincing the egalitarian that he is wrong.

Jared “Limestone” spent years among some tribe in New Guinea and even this up close personal exposure to the low iq natives did nothing to lessen his enthusiasm for his egalitarian worldview. They make Africans seem positively genius in comparison.

Worse, he just makes stuff up in the book.

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LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 months ago

More like “Jared Zirconium,” nowhut im sayin?

Allen
Allen
3 months ago

The interesting aspect of Diamond’s book is that it catalogs in some detail the profound difference between human populations. Whatever the cause of that is, the fact remains that the populations are separated by a gulf that cannot be bridged.

Karl Horst
Karl Horst
3 months ago

Guns and Bibles are the first things to get banned when a political regime changes. And not for the better.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
3 months ago

A book like Guns, Germs and Steel could only originate from a Jewish mind. Because unlike Jews, Europeans did not have the good luck to be born into a society their ancestors did not create. For Jews it really is just the luck of birth. Had their ancestors chose some other destination, like the Middle East, they would have been born into very different circumstances. But this is not true of the European. The European is born into his homeland that HIS ancestors created. For him, it could not have happened any other way. Had he been born in some… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
3 months ago

Is anyone else having a problem with their spell-checker with this new comment system? I made a couple of typos and they turned red for a second or two and then the red went away. I have not had this problem with other commenting systems or the old one here.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 months ago

Spell checker seems not to work. Word is obviously wrong, not very complex, and when I jump to look up on the net, the correct spelling appears immediately along with definition and stuff.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 months ago

I’ve not seen the new spellchecker, and my Grammarly plug-in won’t work in this window. On the plus side, I don’t have to type that stupid 5-character challenge any more !

Bruce
Bruce
3 months ago

When discussing this book with a liberal, has anyone simply pointed out that in the book Diamond says that race differences resulting from selection are real (the Papuans)? Therefore it’s certainly possible that HDB white nationalists are correct (the racial hierarchy is reversed from what Diamond claims). That the harsh selection pressures on Papuans favors living in a stone age jungle culture.

What would they say back if they like the book and cite it as an authoritative source?

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Bruce
3 months ago

I’m only familiar with the book from this thread, but another huorously devious conversation gambit would be to agree, with a SJW, that genes have no influence and course races don’t exist, these cultural and other perceived differences merely evolved over thousands of years, influenced by their environments. And just walk away.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
3 months ago

The fact that so many white people can be self-hating is a luxury born of white success. The minute our civilizations hit the rocks, and it won’t be long, a lot of whites will suddenly be thrust into vulnerability. If you’re not racist, you’re not paying attention.

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
3 months ago

There’s just no way for most of the “normal” folks to get out of the maze the creative, cognitive, corporate and political classes have built. They just don’t have the time, interest or ability — or they haven’t yet been personally confronted with some significantly crystalizing event that makes them look to other paths. Our betters are so skilled and experienced at constructing this that the targets of the deception can’t see out. I remember how I saw things those long years; I actively read and questioned; I was wired to see the systemic conflicts, hypocrisy and craziness; I wasn’t… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  PrimiPilus
3 months ago

“I wasn’t happy with what I saw around me but still fervently, then wistfully, then desperately clung to the fantasy. I considered myself as an out-of-the box thinker, and was seen and labeled that way” That pretty much describes me as well. Was there any particular catalyst that led to the “break”? For me it was a combination of two things happening at once. The catalyst was the Trayvon Martin travesty. The accelerant was having at the time an office mate who loved to argue from the progressive talking points. (Like three hours a day. During work hours. Would NOT… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Mike_C
3 months ago

It’s jarring to hear account of conversions that are so recent. Some here seem to have put 2 and 2 together so long ago. It can be difficult to believe that it’s only in the past couple years that eyes have been opened — and I’m definitely in that camp as well. I noticed things for many years but couldn’t break the conditioning that told me such noticing was verboten.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

I wasn’t being clear, sorry. I’ve noticed for a very long time, and been essentially in the HBD camp at least since I was in junior highschool (suddenly being introduced to the nontalented 9/10th will do that). The JQ thing after that, but no later than grad school. Putting things together sort of naturally followed. The “conversion” was coming to the acceptance that the other side(s) view our disagreements not as political or even philosophical differences, so that we can still treat each other civilly, and even maintain friendships “across the aisle” but rather as morality plays where those not… Read more »

Last edited 3 months ago by Mike_C
BadThinker
BadThinker
3 months ago

#AstronautsSoHwyte

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYyNfA-WAAMwmbY?format=jpg&name=medium

Say what you like about Musk, but he’s (possibly inadvertently) providing a lot of opportunities to Notice.

Edit – also, today is a good day to feel good about Heritage America – there are a massive number of Heritage Americans making this launch possible today.

Last edited 3 months ago by BadThinker
HamburgerToday
HamburgerToday
3 months ago

I heard a twist on Dindu Nuffinism by a purported Black caller to the Jesse Lee Peterson show. He claimed that Jesse shouldn’t concentrate on Black misbehavior because Americans as a whole incarcerated more of their own — including Whites — than other nations. It thought this was an interesting evasion. The caller was trying to submerge Black criminality into ‘American criminality’ as a whole in order to avoid looking squarely at Black crime.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
3 months ago

Victor Davis Hansen review of Guns Germs Steel 5/20/05: https://www.nationalreview.com/2005/05/decline-and-fall-victor-davis-hanson/ (forgive the link to National Review–Honk! Honk!) “Jared Diamond’s bestselling Guns, Germs, and Steel argued that geography trumped culture, and that the current privileged position of the West was therefore mostly attributable to the advantageous resources in, and location of, Western countries, rather than to Europe’s singular values.  ………At some point a Cleisthenes, Plato, Augustine, Magna Carta, Sistine Chapel, Thomas Edison, or Albert Einstein–and the thinking and substructure that produced them–is worth more than long, indented coastlines and concentrations of iron ore. …….And if Diamond believes that is so because Icelanders finally… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Range Front Fault
3 months ago

Love VDH, but the experiment he suggests has basically been performed in South Africa and Rhodesia.

VDH for all his anti-immigration bona fides is a CivNat. He will never touch the third rail wrt biological population differences in IQ and behavior. If you are a good American and apply for entry and are admitted, you are in the club.

nailheadtom
Reply to  Range Front Fault
3 months ago

The subjects discussed here have been pursued by battalions, not just Diamond and a few others. Oddly, no one has mentioned Oswald Spengler, whose “Decline of the West” from 1918 remains the authoritative account of cultural destruction, the seeds of which germinate in that very culture.

Tiamat
Tiamat
3 months ago

I was redpilled by observable reality.

a good book that counter guns germs and steel is Michael harts Understanding Human History, which posits group IQ as the driving force behind history. Steve sailer reviewed it as “a real diamond” lol

Last edited 3 months ago by Tiamat
Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Tiamat
3 months ago

Excellent recommendation. It’s available for free on archive.org…It came out 10 years after GG&S.

https://archive.org/details/Understanding_Human_History_Michael_Hart/page/n29/mode/2up

Alzaebo
3 months ago

One realizes that the grandiose language of the West’s traditional Gutenbergian encyclopedia are the soaring claims of second-raters.

In clouds of glory! Eternal!

All-powerful! All mankind!

They were hirelings and nomads in the shadow of those who built much bigger, but could never admit to it.

Stirring, thrilling, it sure beats moaning in the mud on the other side of Charon.

Last edited 3 months ago by Alzaebo
ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
3 months ago

Loved the kill shot of Z here, “the use of the book Guns, Germs and Steel as an escape hatch.” Admit the reality of massive differences in achievement between different pools of people quickly and then spend an entire book explaining it anyway as centuries of dumb luck and magic dirt. Voila! This same concept also explains the extreme clutching on to items of “cultural appropriation.”  If your people and your culture has produced so little compared to the creation of the world we live in then bits of unique fashion, hair styling, and food dishes are so vital to your sense of… Read more »

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
3 months ago

Some of the thinking on this thread confuses me so if I sound confused, I am just trying to fit in. 🙂 I was big into HBD research before anyone knew what that was. Before it had that name. People are different and heredity plays a huge part in what you will be. Yes, life experiences also play a part, but not as big a one as most people think. Yes, I believe in the 5 laws of HBD. Ok then. How did we get so different? If we talk breeds of dogs to describe differences in tribes of humans… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mark Stoval
3 months ago

God use evolution. Of course he does. Can’t get some fundamentalists to believe this however. If you’re an atheist, go to the next comment. Ever since I was young and became aware of the controversy between some fundamentalists and the scientists promoting evolution, I almost immediately failed to see the conflict. If one is a believer, God created the universe and set it in motion (gave the laws by which it reacts). We see all around us in everything and every way that nothing is static, but change is a constant. Any creation such as man—and all life on earth… Read more »

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

I really enjoyed that comment. Thanks. I see things pretty much just as you do, but don’t always say it as well as you just did. 🙂

Hoagie
Hoagie
3 months ago

Boy, is this another great post, or what? Thanks Z.

abprosper
abprosper
3 months ago

White Man’s Burden was bunk in 1900 and its bunks 120 years later.