Athens In Winter

It has been popular on the Right for a long time to compare modern America to the Roman Empire. Often the point of the comparison is to support the claim that America is an empire, rather than a republic. Alternatively, the point is to warn of an imminent collapse, just like what happened to Rome. The so-called conservatives, of course, reject the idea, because the Left requires it, but most Americans still cling to the idea that the country is some sort of democracy.

The comparison to Rome is a popular one because it is a well understood story and it has a clear end. The Romans lost their republic and became a dictatorship and then an Empire that dominated Europe. America, as the story goes, has lost its republic and is now an empire that dominates the world. The analogy is not intended to tell us anything about the dynamic that has led America to this point. It is more of a self-serving warning of an inevitable end dictated by history.

The thing is, Rome is not really a good analogy. The better comparison is with ancient Athens, which went from a democratic city-state to a democratic empire. Unlike Rome, Athens avoided the transition to authoritarianism. It remained a democracy even as it came to dominate the region and operate as an empire. Unlike Rome, it never accepted itself as an empire. The spirit that animated the democracy as a city-state remained as they came to dominate and control the other city-states.

That is something we see with modern America. The typical American, regardless of political cult, does not think of himself as a subject in an empire. In fact, most stubbornly cling to the old democratic ideas. Most white people, for example, think the constitution still plays a role in the law. They think elections make a difference. Even non-whites think elections matter, which is why they are organized. They want their guys in office on the assumption that their guys will act on their behalf.

Like Athens, America is an empire that does not know itself. Further, it is an empire that is blind to its own authoritarianism. Many are shocked, for example, at the widespread and coordinated response from the corporate oligarchs to the riots. They are baffled as to how they have these propaganda campaigns ready to go as soon as the riots were started in Minneapolis. They struggle to process why people are forced from their jobs for not cheering loud enough at the struggle sessions.

That really is the distinguishing feature of the modern American empire. No one can accept that it is both an empire and authoritarian. This is a society that bans books, throws men in jail for their politics and has created a form of internal exile for those found to be guilty of impiety. These were things that happened in Athens. Similarly, America is a financial empire, more than a military one. Athens became an empire when their currency became the default in the region.

Like Athens, the American Empire struggles to control itself. On the one hand, the economic prosperity allows it to generate great wealth, while on the other hand the internal incoherence leaves it staggering around like a blind giant. Twenty years in Afghanistan, for example, is every bit as insane as the Greeks invading Sicily in the Peloponnesian War. Democracy demands a unifying purpose, so that becomes the point of the democracy, finding some unifying cause.

The one difference, of course, is Athens was blessed with a neighbor that could defeat it in war and strip it of its empire. America has no enemy that can do that or even wants to do it. The Soviets were as close as we came, but the analogy does not work because Americans and Russians do not share the same heritage. The Spartans and Athenians were Greeks and saw one another as Greeks. No such relation existed in the rivalry between communism and liberal democracy.

The American empire lost its one rival in the 19th century. America became an empire when the Yankee north conquered the Tidewater south in the Civil War. At that point, the Athens of America became a continental empire. After conquering its great spartan rival, it then moved west, conquering the rest of the continent. In time, it expelled the European powers from the hemisphere. Then in the 20th century, the American empire conquered Europe and Asia.

Instead of reliving what happened to the Western Romans Empire, what we are experiencing is what would have happened if the Athenians had prevailed over the Spartans in the Peloponnesian War. Instead of the Athenian democracy being contained, it would have spread like a virus around the region. It is hard to know, but Hellenization would surely have been more widespread and more democratic than what eventually happened. The result would have been more familiar to us.

That means we can only speculate as to how the American Empire ends. It may be that it does not end until some military power rises up to defeat it. What was at the core of Athenian democracy is what is at the core of liberal democracy. That is, an absolute certainty that this system is the only one that can work. The intolerance of democracy is not rooted in fear, but in an unbridled confidence. Only a defeat in war can shatter that confidence in the democratic system.

Maybe the future is the present forever. On the one hand, the people at the top make sure to keep the food and fun flowing to the people, even turning protest into a form of spectator sport. On the other hand, it is one spasm of virtue after another, finding new villains and new victims of those villains. Maybe the only way a democratic empire can end is to be defeated by an external force. Maybe the end of history is what we are seeing today replayed over and over forever.


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Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
24 days ago

It’s time to name names.
 
its obvious the ANTIFAgs and the joggers are only useful fools.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Glenfilthie
24 days ago

I wonder what those names will have in common? Anyone?

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
23 days ago

I wonder what those names will have in common? Anyone?

Yup. I-yid like to hear them named.

vxxc 💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
vxxc 💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Glenfilthie
22 days ago

George Washington Clinton Jefferson Smythe the IV.
 
what other name could it be?
 
And of course here in The Named we have Mr Z the external force, and why this part at least won’t go on forever.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
24 days ago

This is a society that bans books, throws men in jail for their politics and has created a form of internal exile for those found to be guilty of impiety.”
 
Now where have I heard that before?

Lurker
Lurker
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
23 days ago

Who invented book burning ?

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Lurker
23 days ago

Same people who invented CV-19 apparently. I like the “burying of scholars” part. Now why didn’t we think of that?
 
“In 213 BCE Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of the Qin Dynasty, ordered the Burning of books and burying of scholars and in 210 BCE he ordered the live burial of 460 Confucian scholars in order to stay on his throne.”
 
 

Lurker
Lurker
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
23 days ago

Funny , I get:
 
“According to the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible), in the 7th century BCE King Jehoiakim of Judah burned part of a scroll that Baruch ben Neriah had written at prophet Jeremiah’s dictation (Jeremiah 36).”
 
It’s somehow similar to Iconoclasm and the contrary viewpoints of the Egyptian v.s. the Israelite.
 
Our entire history has been gaffed with frauds , interpolations and omissions.
 
 
 

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Lurker
23 days ago

“Our entire history has been gaffed with frauds , interpolations and omissions.”
You forgot propaganda.That’s history 101 in a nutshell. Always has been.
 
 

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Lurker
23 days ago

Who invented book burning ?

I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the Nazis. I have a hunch they cribbed that from somebody.

Christina
Reply to  Bill Mullins
20 days ago

Well you have whoever burned Alexandria. I think Ninevah fell to fire, too. They had a large library, as well.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
23 days ago

Everyone kvetches about the Nazi book burning, but nobody bothers asking what was in those books. If we had the power, we would likely be burning those books too.
 
All societies burn books. What we are interested is in what books are burned and by whom.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  tarstarkas
23 days ago

They burned pornography and books extolling communism. The Hitler Youth also burned down a clinic that pioneered sex reassignment surgery. Oh, the horrors!

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
23 days ago

They burned pornography and books extolling communism. The Hitler Youth also burned down a clinic that pioneered sex reassignment surgery. Oh, the horrors!

 
OK. So the Nazis weren’t ALL bad. I’m okay with that. In my experience, in this world, there are no unalloyed blessings OR curses.
 

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  Bill Mullins
23 days ago

I do Natzi the problem with opposing sex reassignment.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
23 days ago

It’s also a society where government, big business, education and the media have banded together to demonize a race and target it for punishment.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

Cultural Marxism in action!

vxxc 💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
vxxc 💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

The Cultural Marxists, yeah!
Its the Cultural Marxists!
 
Who also invented Arson for the Insurance money, its called Cultural Marxist Lightning in these parts.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
24 days ago

There are several time periods which make for comparisons to today.

What they all have in common is the feeling that we are in the waning days of an Ancien Regime.

Clayton Barnett
24 days ago

As something of an amateur historian, I found this a very thoughtful piece, ZMan. I shall reflect upon it for some time. Thank you.

Severian
24 days ago

The lurch from enemy to enemy is just an increasingly desperate search for meaning. Consider, for instance, that there are several obvious things that totally cynical rulers would do if they wanted to crush opposition. Why not legalize fentanyl / oxycontin? Tranking Whitey out is a lot more efficient than beating him down. Same way with the obstreperous among the Diversity. Make “Ghetto Affective Disorder” a DSM-VI syndrome and put the Pfizer whiz kids on it. The fact that this is both obvious and unthinkable says this is a fundamentally ideological crisis. Even Machiavelli, of all people, said that no… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Severian
24 days ago

>The lurch from enemy to enemy is just an increasingly desperate search for meaning.
It’s also a way to keep people looking in the wrong direction.
 

BTP
Member
Reply to  Severian
23 days ago

Our society will now require lots of scapegoats in order to keep everyone cooperating. We are those scapegoats.
Now what?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  BTP
23 days ago

White American’s tend to Irish resistance regardless of ethnic background and as such slowly but surely things get worse. In economics this is called friction and by and large its what we get. Large firms that could pretty easily do difficult projects now end up firing most of the capable employees on political grounds and being run like a bad junior high student council. Oh they can bungle through projects but gradually they fail more and more. More and more facets of society get like this and than the nation collapses or is forced to a level it can maintain.… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Severian
23 days ago

I’ve not read Bacon, but one quote of his I really like is (from memory): “We are much beholden to Machiavelli and others, who write what men do, and not what men ought to do.” 😀

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
21 days ago

Machiavelli was not a bad guy. He even advocated that you treat people kindly, either that or destroy them, but to treat them badly but leave them in a position to seek revenge was unwise. Some of the best advice I’ve ever read.
 

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Severian
23 days ago

<I>Why not legalize fentanyl / oxycontin? Tranking Whitey out is a lot more efficient than beating him down. Same way with the obstreperous among the Diversity. Make “Ghetto Affective Disorder” a DSM-VI syndrome and put the Pfizer whiz kids on it.</i>
 
Theyre already doing that. By diagnosing kids with. ADD and ODD and the like and then drugging them into compliance.

Severian
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
23 days ago

I’ve taught a LOT of those kids over the years at the college level, and they’re far from tranquil. If anything, these days it feeds their raging sense of entitlement, since an official ADD diagnosis is a “get out of schoolwork free” card. You wouldn’t believe some of the bullshit “disability” accommodations I’ve been forced to make for “ADD.” I would wager long, long money that the vast majority of the kids out there “peacefully” hurling bricks through shop windows have Adderall prescriptions.

David Wright
Member
24 days ago

There is a lot of maybes in your closing paragraph. I read a bunch of maybes yesterday from a post on my wife’s facebook. She has friended a female boomer cousin of mine who is all knee jerk Trump support, first responder type fan and such. Yesterday she and all the like minded friends of her went all maybe it’s time for the statues to come down and let them have their own heroes. Maybe protests are good, the new civic action don’t you know.   How soon they flip and bend a knee and act like they always believed… Read more »

Whitney
Member
Reply to  David Wright
24 days ago

I told a conservative girlfriend yesterday that women should never have been allowed to vote. And she agreed with me. Talk about crazy times! Now I’m just waiting for the Antichrist. I’m pretty sure that’s next

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

I’ve gotten similar responses from several conservative women. They don’t want the responsibility. Then again, these aren’t women with daddy issues.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

Because I’m an idiot, I had a similar conversation at work. Jokingly, of course, and I made the point that Prohibition would never have happened without women voting & being politically active.
One of these days, they’ll send me to a camp.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

It sure does have a book of revalation feel to it . Especially the way the churches have been slammed by the shutdown. they have reopened the strip clubs and the pot despensaries never closed , but the churches are still not allowed to open in a functional way.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  miforest
23 days ago

You can get an abortion but you can’t celebrate Mass

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  miforest
23 days ago

It illustrates the failure of the Church to stand for anything. Once the Church stood separate and equal to the State. Now it’s more often an appendage.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

sadly correct . their “charities ” all get govt. money . take the kings coin, dance to the kings tune.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

The “church” stands for things alright. Things the congregations abhor.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
23 days ago

Sadly true, but also a bright side. Belief is within the individual, and needs no organized and poz’d religious organization. Took me awhile to discover that after I wandered away from such organizations. But as you’ve probably concluded, I’m kind of “slow” in these matters of understanding. 😉

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Compsci
22 days ago

there been a relentless attack on the Christian Church and theism, in general, since the 60s, and churches have not stood firm and the media is all too happy to broadcast the new roles of gays and women in positions of authority in the Church … very sad.

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  miforest
21 days ago

Naw. Imagine what it was like in the 20s and 30s of last century. Dust storms that created their own weather patterns with giant lightning storms that probably made you think that God himself was upset with you. Don’t forget the famine, plague, and war. Not just war but industrial, mechanized war. Nothing glorious or honorable about machines chewing up meat and spitting out hamburger. They must have been sure that the end times were upon them.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

A woman agreeing with you is scary enough. But that she didn’t get pissed off is even odder! 😀

miforest
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
23 days ago

my wife and daughter would agree. there is a group of sane woemen out there. If you young guys ever meet one, marry her immeadiately.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  miforest
23 days ago

The idiots girls have to put up with just to get some babies…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

Thats where there is a bit a kink in Z-man’s analogy of Greek democracy—universal suffrage. Greeks had strict requirements for having a say in their democracy or body politic. Slaves, women, landless, etc could not vote. And that makes all the difference.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

It didn’t stop our Empire from forming. women’s suffrage was nearly 3 generations after the Civil War.
Our Constitution didn’t help either.
Hell even a Constitution the size of a dozens Manhattan phone books from the 80’s delineating every lawful action of the State wouldn’t help.
The Ambitious will always subvert the rules to their own ends and its nearly impossible top punish them for it as the use the system to insulate themselves from consequences
 

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  abprosper
23 days ago

Culture trumps constitution. America now has a very bad culture.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  abprosper
23 days ago

Point well taken. We are our own worse enemy for certain.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  abprosper
22 days ago

I just have to wonder who the men were that voted for women’s suffrage?? Why would any man, at that time, think it is a good idea for women to vote? Maybe it started locally n then grew … sorry for my ignorance.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

Back in the suffragette days, the majority of women didn’t want the franchise.
The problem is that Democracies and Republics put a heavier weight on political noise rather than good sense and as such always drift left.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

I told a family acquaintance, a leftish lesbian, that I might seriously consider trading the second amendment for the nineteenth. Didn’t go over well.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Whitney
22 days ago

I’ve always said that the majority of women don’t really care about voting or politics. If they woke up tomorrow to find their voting rights gone, it’d be met with a shrug of the shoulders … except for the 1.8% that would wail n gnash their teeth, nonstop, on the MEDIA until the 98.2% agrees.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  David Wright
24 days ago

Our statues say a lot.
For example: When they placed Defiant Girl by the Wall Street Bull, it symbolized two things, submission to the gynocracy, and a signal that we are no longer a serious country.
On a positive note, what the left picks to replace the lost monuments will inspire no one, but will just be narcissistic masturbation for the art community.
Ii will make Obama’s presidential portrait look acceptable by comparison.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Chet Rollins
24 days ago

“Ii will make Obama’s presidential portrait look acceptable by comparison.”
I see drag queen statue time in our future.

Lurker
Lurker
Reply to  Chet Rollins
23 days ago

At least you still have a graven image.
 
Won’t be too long that it will be just Brutalist holocaust monuments crafted out of poured concrete and abstractions displaying rusted metal.
 
 
 

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Lurker
23 days ago

”Brutalist holocaust monuments”
 
Failure to capitalize Holocaust is a hate crime. Report for re-education.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Chet Rollins
23 days ago

Yeap, and I might note that for others to have “their hero’s” does not necessitate the overthrow/replacement of other’s hero’s. The Romans learned this in their expansion to empire. Conquered areas had their hero’s and gods accepted within the Roman politic—as long Roman law remained supreme and the taxes rolled in.
 
Jews could not accept this and were made an example of in typical Roman fashion.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

If Hutu heroes replace our own, it means we have been subjugated.

Oficial Bologna Tester
Oficial Bologna Tester
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
23 days ago

“If Hutu heroes replace our own…”
If we’re that stupid and weak, we deserve it. Why should white people survive if they won’t fight for their own fucking lives? I’m sick of wringing my hands about “the white race.” Obviously, most white people in America are willing to go along to get along. Screw those people. I hereby declare my allegiance too all White people, WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO LIVE!
 

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
23 days ago

Well, half of what you decry is now accomplished—more or less. Is it not?   What do you call the removal of Confederate statues, Columbus defaced and his holiday “canceled”, military bases scheduled to be renamed, etc., We see such all around us almost daily.   The cancel cultural R&R simply awaits the second step for completion, replacement. Postal service honors POC. US currency will tout a POC on the “tenner” soon. Navy ships named for mediocre Black servicemen remarkable only because they simply did their duty. Soon even that will not be necessary judging how quickly a felon like… Read more »

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

Silver lining about the tenner is no one uses it

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
22 days ago

Agreed completely. The anti-white movement has been rampaging for quite some time.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

Maybe part of the problem is that the White demographic shows an aged population. So the over-the-hill gang is just trying to avoid trouble and bide their time, whereas the higher testosterone youth has been partially brain-washed, so it doesn’t leave much of a resistance?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
23 days ago

The replacements are insignificant. The attacks on the statues and monuments, symbols of the white race, are the important thing.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  David Wright
24 days ago

Yes the war bride index is one of many barometers of the end times. But in a land where the future is a brown female, how long can statues of settlers and paintings of Delaware crossings that “don’t look like me mommy” really be expected to stand?   I remember years ago when I was a young, eligible bachelor. The big concerns of my contemporary women, aside from catching aids cuz we were all gonna die, was getting knocked up or married too young, impeding their career plans or law school dreams. Fast forward a decade and every girl inc… Read more »

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Screwtape
24 days ago

“What kind of empire doesn’t grow its own people?”   Our empire was started by regional northern elites who destroyed regional southern elites to make themselves the defacto ruling class of the entire country. They then created unaccountable centralized institutions like the Federal Reserve but through arrogance, incompetence, and weakness allowed themselves to be displaced from those institutions by Jewish-led multiculturals. This left American non-elites to be ruled over by hostile foreigners who utilize the empty shell of our electoral system to give us the illusion that we have a say in civilizational decision-making. The post-WASP ruling class will happily… Read more »

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Screwtape
24 days ago

What kind of empire doesn’t grow its own people?
I don’t remember the source and didn’t save the link, but there was a study several years ago basically looking for populations underserved for higher education, that is to say smarter kids who in a normal country would be in college but in our country were not: primary result -> midwestern whites. The Wuhan virology institute actually had an NIH grant. Our globalist ruling class invests our money in everyone but us.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Horace
23 days ago

Don’t be so hard on the government. The pandemic could have started in Chapel Hill in 2016, but for sloppier standards in Chinese labs. In some matters, it’s best to let others take first place 🙁
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/is-a-new-sarslike-virus-on-the-horizon

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  David Wright
23 days ago

My birthplace (thank God I never lived there) Washington DC put up a statue of the late not-so-great Marion Barry in 2018. Even comedian Chris Rock had a skit about Barry: “He smoked crack and got his job back!” (re-elected into DC Gov.). If this is not a good memorial of how silly our country has become, what is? Can you imagine what future historians will think of us, if they know the story behind such venerated figures? 🙂 As was mentioned here in the past few days, given this, is it really such a stretch that Mt. Rushmore will… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  David Wright
23 days ago

The capitulation of whites these past two weeks has been stunning. Actually, it’s worse. Capitulation implies defiance. This is more of an embracing of the Cult of White Racism and Black Idolatry. CivNats, corporations, hell, NASCAR, all have fully accepted the narrative of white racism (past and present, conscious and unconscious) causing all of society’s ills.
 
They all say that we need to listen to the black community, i.e. whites need to shut up and do as they tell us. If we thought that we were dissidents before, we’re much farther down that road now.

Editor George
Editor George
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

Normie is in a very bad place right now.
 
But what else can we do but just keep redpilling and wake up the wake-up-able?

miforest
Member
Reply to  Editor George
23 days ago

Take care of the relationships in your life, and the people. Live your faith, whether your church supports it or not. Don’t let it ruin the one life that you have. since you are here, i think you probably already know this though.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  David Wright
23 days ago

from Battle Beagle:

 

The Conservative Case for the Haitian Revolution

Yman
Yman
Reply to  David Wright
23 days ago

You : so for their existence black had to tear down a white ancestor it ultimately threatens the white woman’s existence after then black looting you without hesitation since white admit that you are born with original sin, and nothing positive will come from them and you ok with that?   Women :  Yeah, because that’s what the TV and school said   it’s so predictable, women always side with the winner The problem is white flight, white men pack up and leaving strategy won’t work this time In case of Orania, seems white women in south Africa doesn’t have… Read more »

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
24 days ago

“Only a defeat in war can shatter that confidence in the democratic system.” Hell we’ve been losing more than we’ve been winning for a long time, even though it’s only in proxy wars far from home, and it hasn’t made the Powers that Be any less hubristic (only drones and flyover state whites die, so who cares?). America just doesn’t need to lose; it needs to lose on its home soil, and from the sky. I bet you the rioters (sorry “protesters”) might start being civil if someone dropped incendiaries and white phosphorus from the skies over Minneapolis and Chicago.… Read more »

Presbyter
Member
Reply to  Joey Jünger
24 days ago

When you think of it, the US had not clearly won a war 1945, and not alone either.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Presbyter
24 days ago

And we only defeated the Japanese in WWII.
The loss of 1/3 of Europe was a clear defeat.
Gulf War 1 was a clear victory, but was equivalent to beating on the disabled kid in school

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Chet Rollins
23 days ago

Disabled kid with a blind fold and both his legs broken, really. Iraqi armored and infantry battalions had to use their recon units to see where nearby friendly units were. One particular laughable incident I remember in the push into Kuwait was a Republic Guard combat unit fielding school buses to the AO a few clicks away from American positions.
 

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  Forever Templar
23 days ago

I remember some guys who were still kicking around from the First Gulf when I was in, and they said having thermal gun sights in sandstorms against Republican Guard tanks was basically fish-in-a-barrel. Probably easier than droning weddings.

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Joey Jünger
23 days ago

One of my many fond memories of Desert Storm (seriously – war is nothing if not intensely interesting, and I derive fun from such things) is of a video some infantry guys made. They used gun-camera combat-action footage from their infantry fighting vehicle and set it to Ice Ice Baby.
 
The line I recall best showed them pulverizing some pathetic ‘strongpoint’, intoning “Check out his crib while my Bradley dissolves it.”

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Joey Jünger
24 days ago

This country and democracy are slowly deflating like a downed dirigible thanks to the rot from our black, brown, yellow and big nose termites. We (or at least they) need to be put out of our/their misery.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  usNthem
23 days ago

The black, brown, and yellow people are just symptoms.
 
White men are cowards, traitors, children, and pussies, on the whole.
 
I agree that the small hat people have played a big part of throwing us for a loop.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

It’s true white men aren’t putting in a good showing recently.
 
However, let’s not forget that white men are the most tied into the leviathan state and are the most easily crushed by it.
 
The vibrants are free to do as they please because the leviathan state ignores and/or permits their antics.

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

“White men are cowards, traitors, children, and pussies, on the whole.” Unfortunately this is true for the most part.  White Seattle politicians and police have ceded a zone of the city to armed Antifa and BLM overlords who are requiring ID and protection money from the residents. And no one, including Orange Man, is doing anything but talking or tweeting. I saw it on a personal level when I was in elementary school and my family moved to a black ghetto. At the age of 10 or so I vowed to myself that “they” would have to kill me but… Read more »

Anna
Anna
Reply to  ExNativeSon
23 days ago

Pentagon is not on Trump’s side. National Guard is under governors’ command with the exception of DC. I am amazed the man is still standing and trying to fight not unlike yourself @10.
 

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  Anna
23 days ago

I certainly will give Trump credit where credit is due. And I absolutely agree that his ability to even get out of bed in the morning is stunningly amazing with the 24/7 hatred thrown his way from every direction.
 
And he is not responsible to be my or our savior.
 
That said and acknowledged, I at least hope he is John the Baptist to a future Jesus for all of our sake.

miforest
Member
Reply to  ExNativeSon
23 days ago

yep. the real problem is AWFL’s and their supplicants

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ExNativeSon
23 days ago

Trump is wise to let Seattle destroy itself. Let normal people see what happens when AWRs are in charge.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

White men are cowards, traitors, children, and pussies”. But we weren’t always. 70 years ago we were quite the opposite. We will rediscover our courage, our dignity and our honor.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
23 days ago

Let’s pray that you’re correct, and that ww1 didn’t kill off our alpha line.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

That didn’t happen in the US. Europe may be a different story.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

The genetics are still there, they don’t change than fast. WWII killed less than 500k, that’s not enough to change a population of about 116M at the time.
 
The culture and our curse of prosperity has trained us into subservience. But what was learned can be unlearned. That’s the whole point of basic training in the services, isn’t it?
 

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Joey Jünger
23 days ago

We’ll lose overseas, our “enemies” (such as they are, our real enemies are inside the border) can already smell the weakness and know that a strong strike might fracture the empire. Would Americans, most of whom are completely clueless, support waging some giant war in Korea if our bases were overrun? Would they support a giant war with Iran if they sank a bunch of our ships? Iffy; a lot of people would ask why we even had people in these spots, I know I ask it of myself now.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
23 days ago

China will make a move on Taiwan within 10 years, maybe even 5.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
23 days ago

If I were the Chinese, I’d be thinking about crossing the Straights now..

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  MemeWarVet
23 days ago

You are probably right. Taiwan’s inventory of vehicles and aircraft is not large or very modern while China has made great strides, especially with their Air Force.
 
China also has hypersonics that the West has no credible defense against.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
23 days ago

And if I were Russia, I’d be thinking about crossing the Aleutians.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
23 days ago

I don’t see any reason anyone would provoke us when we are franticly destroying ourselves. Sun Tzu said “when your enemy is making an error, don’t interupt him” …or something like that.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Joey Jünger
23 days ago

<i> Hell we’ve been losing more than we’ve been winning for a long time</i>
 
There’s losing and there’s losing. Afghan gunboats aren’t prowling the Delaware, Iraqi cruise missiles aren’t raining down on New York, and you aren’t speaking Vietnamese.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Felix Krull
23 days ago

Give it time.

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  Felix Krull
23 days ago

I made the distinction in my post, said most of the losing we were doing was by proxy in hellholes. I’d be more worried about my fellow citizens at this point (if they can even be called that) than getting “Red Dawned” right now, though.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Joey Jünger
23 days ago

<i>I made the distinction in my post, said most of the losing we were doing was by proxy in hellholes.</i>
 
Neither war was fought by proxy. “Proxy” means you pay others to fight for you.
 
Anyways, only an empire citizen may casually make such a distinction. For any other country, “losing” means there’s foreign troops on your soil, buying blowjobs from the local girls with chocolate and nylons.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
23 days ago

of course not , it’ll be cantoneese

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Felix Krull
23 days ago

Yet we are overrun with Afghans,, Iraqis and Vietnamese people who aren’t part the culture.
 

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  abprosper
23 days ago

Fair point, but that’s not a military invasion.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
23 days ago

Hutus and ANTIFAGS have taken over Seattle and Minneapolis, and we’re all about to be speaking Ebonics.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
23 days ago

Hahaha
 
Wicked, wicked man

CAPT S
CAPT S
24 days ago

“Maybe the end of history is what we are seeing today replayed over and over forever.”   When studying these historical parallels it’s interesting to look at each culture’s assumptions and presuppositions – their worldview. Every culture that has placed man as the penultimate center of the universe enters a death-spiral. It’s as if the herd-man has a rabid desire to rid himself of metaphysical questions … “we must find the meaning of life in ourselves, in our lifetime” seems to be a common thread. It’s also interesting to see how long it takes man-centered humanism to unravel when riding… Read more »

miforest
Member
Reply to  CAPT S
23 days ago

clearly the lose of faith is not survivable for a culture . personal faith is essential for a man or family to have meening as well . It is intresting to see that despite the decline of the ” mainstream ” churches , there seems to be a revival in Trad catholic and Orthodox faith.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  miforest
23 days ago

Agreed. I think the loss of faith comes after the loss of truth. Read Solzhenitsyn’s essay “Live Not By Lies.” He was a fellow dissident who recognized that we each have individual responsibilities to secede from non-truth and courageously stand for reality. You know what makes our enemy’s hair stand on end? – Objective truth and verifiable reality.   Interestingly, the embrace of man-centeredness is what drove the mainstream church into the arms of the Left (until the Left recognized they no longer needed them.) J. Gresham Machen had a few things to say about this as he was drummed… Read more »

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  CAPT S
23 days ago

Just read the essay. Good recommendation.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
24 days ago

We may be more like imperial Athens than we are like imperial Rome. But unlike the people of Athens the public face of our oppressor is not another Greek. It is a savage dancing in the firelight set by a ruling class that is rapidly losing its Greek character, whatever little it has left.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Yves Vannes
23 days ago

This brings to mind Eastern Roman Empire Emperor Justinian sending his General Belisarius to ‘liberate’ Italia and bring it back within the empire. The descendants of actual genetic Romans weren’t cheering in the streets over having new ‘Roman’ leaders who didn’t speak Latin but Greek replacing their contemporary Christian German rulers. Blood matters. If the only choices are between being ruled over by two sets of foreigners the best one can do is keep out of it as much as possible and hope the least noxious least degenerate side wins.   That’s why I don’t get worked up over Chinese… Read more »

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Horace
23 days ago

The Chinese interest in the West strikes me at being more scavenger like than imperial like. They have a few populous outposts here but most are more interested in mining what they can in both wealth and knowledge and then heading home. A lot of 1st, 2nd and even 3rd gen hyphenated Americans have headed back to the homeland. Unlike the Indians, the vast majority of their US college grads return to China within a few years. Dominating trade and trade routes is what they focus upon…but political dominance on this side of the Pacific strikes them as more trouble… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Horace
23 days ago

What evidence can you point to, in defense of the idea that the Chinese animosity to us is not exterminatory? Heck, the Chinese appear to have an exterminatory approach to many of their own co-inhabitants.

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  Dutch
23 days ago

All the Chicoms need do is keep agitating/funding the 5th Column inside the country: Antifa/BLM.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Horace
23 days ago

I’d rather be ruled by anybody than Africans, Muzz and white race traitors.

Lurker
Lurker
Reply to  Yves Vannes
23 days ago

“ Winston, if you want a vision of the future, imagine a fat she boon twerking atop the ruins of Western Civilization forever. “
 

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
Reply to  Lurker
23 days ago

That has to be the best quip of the week at least. Bravo.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Yves Vannes
23 days ago

Also the Greeks stayed intact as a people during their imperial time. Rome and its army slowly became less ethnically Roman. Wish I could find it, but a historian back in the 20s or 30s looked at the graves of Rome and showed that ethnic Romans slowly disappeared, especially from the nobility. Between low fertility – especially among wealthy Romans – and immigration, the actual Romans just faded away.
 
In addition, capable ethnic Romans who made up what was left of the middle class moved away to the provinces. Sound familiar?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

Essentially correct. And the Italians of today are not the dependents of the Romans of yesterday.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

I wouldn’t go that far. I have met a lot of people in Italy that look like the Roman statues (faces, hair). There is an imperfect continuity.
That being said, Southern Italians may have a lot of Middle Eastern blood and Northern Italians have some Germanic and Slavic blood…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hun
23 days ago

Germanic and even Norse rule extended the length and breadth of Italy, including Sicily. Now the extent of interbreeding, I’m not sure, but clearly northern Italy is more Germanic, while southern Italy has a stronger Arabic tincture.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
23 days ago

Not disagreeing, but the Romans of Caesar’s time were not the Sicilians of today in the South, nor the Germanics of today in the North. Perhaps some Gallic blood. There were many tribes beyond the Italian Alps in Gaul and early on, Rome was successfully invaded by a tribe of Gaul (forget who, but it caused them to reorganize their army). But the Germanics were on the other side of the Rhine when Rome was kicking ass under Caesar. After the fall of Rome, the Italian peninsula was invaded several times by tribes like the Vandals and Visigoths. Not to… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
22 days ago

True. The Romans were purebred Italic. Significant genetic changes probably didn’t begin until the 4th century A.D.

Basil Ransom
Basil Ransom
24 days ago

Military defeat is the only way to stop the rot.
 
The cabal in DC, like the cabal running Wall St., don’t care at all what happens to the rest of the country. That’s been obvious for some time now.
However, were some capital ships of the US navy to go full fathom five…that would push the RESET button down a little further.
To use the Roman analogy, it was the legions that kept the thing going longer than was necessary. Eventually, once hollowed out from within, even the German running the legions couldn’t sustain belief in “Rome”.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Basil Ransom
23 days ago

The first time a carrier gets sunk, morale will collapse

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  MemeWarVet
23 days ago

Either that or the lunatics in charge will launch a nuclear first strike.

Basil Ransom
Basil Ransom
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
23 days ago
The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Basil Ransom
23 days ago

It will be like going bankrupt – at first slowly, then all at once.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Basil Ransom
23 days ago

money line from the article , by the officer in charge at the time of the incedent
“Captain, I fucked up,” she told him.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
23 days ago

Its very possible many of our nukes don’t work do to tritium decay and as you might guess we can’t fix it.
https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/03/06/commentary-the-looming-crisis-for-us-tritium-production/
we’ll have enough to deter but not enough to strike which to tell the truth is probably better for everyone.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  abprosper
23 days ago

I believe we are pulling tritium from weapons, reconditioning it, then using it to reload depleted tritium weapons. This is a temp fix since we have so many weapons to spare. Not sure where the project to make home grown tritium is at this stage. But the British are shutting down their reactors that make our supply soon. Pretty sure however, it is a fairly high priority. Oddly, it was Obama who worked with Congress to update our stock pile of nukes. Never could figure out why.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

That is what I think as well. This does mean lower reliability and continuous decline in the stockpile size though. Roughly by the numbers, the crisis started in 2013 so by 2025 (5 years from now) assuming no new tritium we have half the nukes we had in 2013 and by 2032, 25% This assumes no outside tritium and maximally efficient recovery. This should be enough decline to reduce the risk of a declining or dying empire spite nuking someone while retaining enough to protect us from PRC invasion As far as Obama’s attempted fixes, people in his cabinet told… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Basil Ransom
23 days ago

One optimistic thing about a possible military coup in the USA: whatever its ideological faults, the military is made up of the better half (30% actually) of the population. We may end up being ruled by authoritarian dictators, but at least they’ll have mostly competent people in power. It’s sobering to know that (rounded up for non-test-takers) about 20% of whites, 35% of browns, and 50% of Blacks are too stupid to even qualify even for infantry or marines. These standards have been in place many decades. And many of the ones who do pass are definitely not the brightest… Read more »

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
23 days ago

The military is made up of the better half. The generals and admirals aren’t.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  CAPT S
23 days ago

What bollocks. The thugs who sign up to murder people they’ve never met are far from the better half.

Basil Ransom
Basil Ransom
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
23 days ago

I’ll be more worried that the vets are more inclined to support the powers that be than not.
 
Here’s a SEAL on JRE saying pretty much that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=druHEnQqU7I

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
23 days ago

An actual military junta would be hard to sustain against a population was well armed as the US unless people wanted and supported it.
Hell even Antifa has custom AR15’s and at least some skill in using them and in dirty ops.
Its a hellscape to fight in.
Now I suspect Obama purged all the high ranking types with Right Wing sympathies so it would have to come from the lower ranks or some corporal of our own.
I’d guess simple exhaustion and collapse like the USSR instead.
 

Vegetius
Vegetius
24 days ago

Without getting into a spergy discussion of economics I would simply note that the sinews of the Anglo-Zionist empire are financial and always have been.
 
This is why the actual military footprint needed to maintain it has been so small.
 
Were I seeking to topple this arrangement I would strike at its linchpin: the dollar as global reserve.
 
And I would strike in the chaotic aftermath of a couple of elections in which first one half of the demos and then the other viewed the process and outcome as illegitimate.
 

Presbyter
Member
Reply to  Vegetius
24 days ago

2020 election is to my mind a lot like 1860. No matter who wins, the violence gets worse.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Presbyter
23 days ago

Hopefully. Only blood can make a point.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Vegetius
24 days ago

Not sure how ‘Small’ this is… the US Empire spends > $700bln on military presence all around the world, and can project power using Naval and Air forces far more than ever before. I mean, we still have bases in Germany, just in case the Red Army comes charging through the Fulda Gap…
 
Behind the money is aircraft carriers, long range bombers, and special forces.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  BadThinker
24 days ago

US military spending is corporate welfare, and not even well disguised.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  BadThinker
24 days ago

True, but in terms of GDP spend and manpower it’s basically a token force. When western oligarchs want to bring someone around to their way of thinking they whip out the IMF and access to the debt markets more so than tanks and carriers.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  BadThinker
23 days ago

Virtually all that power is useless in fighting the enemy where we will be defeated: at home, and largely by an “enemy” composed of U.S. citizens, or at least resident aliens. 🙁

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
23 days ago

Yup, the Star Wars freak show bars abroad are going to be jumping, once our military assets are stranded abroad while we tear ourselves up at home. Lots of deals made over nice, shiny, advanced equipment that will largely be inoperable by the likes of them, in their necks of the woods.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Vegetius
23 days ago

“This is why the actual military footprint needed to maintain it has been so small.”
I do like well done satire. Please play again soon.
You do realize that the US spends as much on “defense” as the rest of the world combined?

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Bilejones
23 days ago

budget =/= actual military footprint
 
But I do like it when illiterate morons misunderstand basic English & reproduce quotes that refute the very point they think they are making.
 
It saves me a lot of trouble.
 
Your move, tough guy
 
 
 

exfarmkid
exfarmkid
24 days ago

“Maybe the future is the present forever.”
Nah. The underlying biology is changing too much.

Nationalist
Nationalist
24 days ago

Why would any foreign power bother to attack the US when they could just wait until we self-destruct then calmly move in and pick up whatever pieces remain? I suspect that the raging blacks, however, wouldn’t fare well under a Chinese master. There’s always a silver lining.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Nationalist
24 days ago

China is already taking rapid control of media and academia. Unlike the right, they know where the power resides in this country.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  Chet Rollins
23 days ago

One wonders, will the Chosen Ones abandon the USS Goyim and join up with the Mandate from Heaven? Have they already done so?

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  james wilson
23 days ago

You’ll know the answer to that question as some guy called Yitzhak Teitelbaum adopts a name like Zhou Feng.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  james wilson
23 days ago

None of Mao’s “advisors” were Chinese. No fellow Marchers served on his Inner Council They were, ahem, “foreign”, even during the Cultural Revolution- which was their idea and design, along with the Great Leap Forward. The temples, burned with 5,000 years of history and the monks themselves inside, appealed to Emperor Mao, as every Chinese dynasty burned the records of the previous. Even Huang Ti, the “First”, was not; the Yellow Emperor defeated the Red, then erased him. Mao himself was a nobody, even during most of the Long March. It was there that he got noticed, outwitting a rival… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
23 days ago

Oops. I wondered when the Red Princes, Mao’s grandchildren, kicked “them” out– then I remembered the word, “outsourcing”.

China began it’s rocket ascent just after Russia fell. China was the backup Plan B.

Heck yes the Mandate and Chosen are married.

Who runs the New York 10th Federal Reserve District, aka Wall Street and Madison Avenue, and pioneered foreign direct investment?

**********

Update. Oh sh*t, sh*t, sh*t.

I just remembered the Belt and Road- control of the Heartland.

Russia is doomed. We’re seeing a replay of the Islamic Conquest- combined with Ghengis Khan.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
23 days ago

Red Chip Kapitalism on one side, State Communism on the other, while riding the tiger;

this kosher sandwich is starting to look familiar.

The Zman wanted to know where this will go. How about defeated enemies and a world in the hands of the Owners?

The Long Victory, with Jerusalem as its capitol.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  james wilson
23 days ago

Probably because they are spineless parasites and will latch on to the strongest available host. But there is a key difference that will never allow them full control again.

 

The stealth skinsuit they wear now switching from ‘fellow white’ to tribal when politically expedient will be completely nullified. That’s a huge part of their power. And related the Holocaust Guilt Card also has zero effect on Chinese. They will be bit players at best should they hitch their wagon to the East.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Nationalist
23 days ago

This! The real estate we are on is some of the worlds best . It will not be left unattended .

G706
G706
Reply to  miforest
23 days ago

The Chinese already own thousands of acres of farmland and are buying more.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  G706
23 days ago

China and their expansion needs wrt real estate is Russia’s problem, not the USA’s. Massive squatting occurring along Russia’s Southeastern border with China.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

They want Khazakstan for lebenstraum and Bakunai, the space complex.

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
24 days ago

There is still one more transition to go: once the party feels completely secure in its power it will likely put the leftist agitating on ice and focus on stability of its power. We wont need people burning the cities down when theres no need to consolidate power anymore. Maybe theyll allow the occasional riot as a reminder of their glorious revolution but it will all be ceremony by that point.   America is powerful, but what remains to be seen for me is if after making this transition, America can go toe to toe with more ethnically homogenous powers… Read more »

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Irishfarmer
24 days ago

There’s certainly something to that. But they’ve gotten where they are by promising “fundamental transformation”. They’ve got a huge fraction of the nation—especially among the younger cohort—pumped up to bring that transformation about. It would be very difficult for the elites to tamp that down.

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
Reply to  MBlanc46
23 days ago

These revolutions are created, encouraged, and financed by “the system” or the ruling class. They promised them fundamental change only to get them into the streets but the point is these revolutionary movements like BLM have no power outside of what the ruling class gives it.   BLM is a great way for the ruling class to push their agenda further and consolidate power further but revolutionary movements go from useful to threatening to the ruling class once they have served their purpose. All it would take to stop BLM is to cut their funding, sever their networks, stop making… Read more »

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Irishfarmer
23 days ago

Is Brazil a super power? Is China concerned about Mexico’s dominance? What about Haiti? Zimbabwe?
 
The elites must be really stupid to do this, or they purposely want to destroy the USA.
 
If one believes that demographics are destiny, the USA is destined to lose its superpower status.
 
In fact any country that remains relatively homogenous will maintain prosperity. Estonia will be wealthier than Sweden in a few generations. Russia will be more powerful than the former USA.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

Yep, the U.S. will fade as a superpower due to demographics. We simply won’t have the money nor the capable manpower. What’s more, blacks and Hispanics don’t care about China. Even whites don’t care about China nor should we.
 
The point of a government is to protect its people. The U.S. govt utterly failed to protect its people. In fact, it allowed and facilitated an invasion of other peoples. Let the whole thing die.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

It’s dead. We live in a shambling corpse.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

A country’s real strength is in its economy. Multi-culturalism aside, Russia has some big problems there. We of course may experience such economic collapse as Whites decline and the parasite drain the host.

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

Personally I dont think they had a choice. In order to destroy the entire Western world all at once required first massive ideological indoctrination but then massive “bio” power. Without importing other people, there was a very strong and ever present threat to power through democracy, however tepid and ineffectual it may be you can only do electroal shenanigans for so long before you risk revolution.   It may be a great irony then that the strategy they needed to use of importing nrw voters may ultimately be their downfall from power because at some point the burden and inefficiencies… Read more »

miforest
Member
Reply to  Irishfarmer
23 days ago

yep

miforest
Member
Reply to  Irishfarmer
23 days ago

I actually hope you are correct. From the lack of pushback on even the crazyiest covid and riot abuses, It looks to me that consolidation took place long ago. they have just decided to quit pretending.

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
Reply to  miforest
23 days ago

Yeah the control over institutions took place long ago. The trap was set this is just them springing it. Imo they saw the election of Trump and other events as proof that their power wasnt unchallenged. They are moving things along further and faster now to shut down any potential threat to power, i think they really are scared an adult will step in and rally the people to bring back sanity before its too late.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Irishfarmer
23 days ago

This has all the earmarks of a cultural revolution in the China model. Corporate America is terrified, social media will destroy lives, and now even STEM fields in good colleges, the news organs are speaking with one voice, mass vandalism is now permitted..   As seen on twitter: The Cultural Revolution in China didn’t end until Mao sent in the Army to arrest the Red Guard and throw them into either prisons or work camps on farms.   Anyone seeing Trump (or anyone) doing that, here?   I can’t believe this is happening in my lifetime. It’s a no kidding… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  ProZNoV
23 days ago

Hillary would have done it, and would have enjoyed every last minute of it.

miforest
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
23 days ago

yes.

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  ProZNoV
23 days ago

The ruling elite is backing the American Red Guards, all right. Today I drove past a public high school (financed by tax money). The official electric sign, which used to announce graduation ceremonies and such, was flashing: BLM.
 
The Powers are either convinced they no longer have to hide their heavy hand, or are desperate to make the final mop-up. More likely the former — they’ve pretty much crushed all public criticism of the Great Cultural Revolution, so why worry? But the wicked flee when no man pursueth.

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  Irishfarmer
23 days ago

The Jewish plan to fight China is to flood the country with people. When China passes us in GDP per capita this decade, the democrats will throw open the borders to increase it. “Imagine a billion Americans” will be the tag line.
 
I’m calling my shot on this.
 
It is in the nature of animals to transform their environment to suit themselves. Our bestest Friends Ever are most comfortable in cities. They will not rest until every inch of this continent looks like NYC or Los Angeles.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  Tykebomb
23 days ago

I dowt the Gewz will fight the Chinese. More likely an alliance. The Chinese can appreciate a focused, manipulative, ruthless, unapologetic people, and vice versa.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  james wilson
23 days ago

The Chinese however are impervious to guilt and if they decide to execute all their guests in some horrible fashion which they will sooner than later no one there will care .
As they are not Christian or much like us at all , cannot be cozened or shamed into feeling bad about it.

BadThinker
BadThinker
24 days ago

So… Who is the next Philip II (and then) Alexander?

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  BadThinker
23 days ago

There’s a lot between the Peloponnesian War and Phillip II. You’re getting it mixed up with the French Revolution.

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
24 days ago

The thing that will destroy the American Empire is the same thing that gave birth to America in the first place. A nation destroys itself when its founding principles are carried to absurd lengths. Sooner or later, radical egalitarianism will engulf us all in consuming flames of passion.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Epaminondas
23 days ago

What do you mean, “will”? 🙂

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
24 days ago

One thing that I’m reasonably confident of is that stasis is not likely. The Left have promised their troops “fundamental transformation” of the nation.Their internal dynamic requires incessant movement toward utopia. They get very stroppy when the pace slows.

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
Reply to  MBlanc46
24 days ago

That egalitarian thingy again.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  MBlanc46
23 days ago

Stasis rarely exists even in Nature. Maybe “dynamic equilibrium.” Even less often in human affairs. I’m reading about Buddhism, and while a lot of it is nonsense of course, the “impermanence of things” is a core tenet.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  MBlanc46
23 days ago

Biological Leninism has no stopping point.

Iprank
Iprank
24 days ago

Revolution, white extermination
 
Revolution, whites exiled to reservations
 
Revolution, South Africa
 
Revolution, a Napoleon
 
Revolution, Rhodesia

Yak-15
Yak-15
24 days ago

Clausewitz says that “War is politics by other means.” The corollary to that is: “Politics is war by other means.”

In liberal democracy, the vote is the ultimate weapon that will fell our nation state. A foreign army need not cross the mighty Atlantic or Pacific, he just needs to flood the country with enough voters and money to change the government policy of our nation.

That is the end of America. The unwashed refuse from abroad hanging us with the chads on the voting ballots we gave them.

BTP
Member
23 days ago

VDH reminds us that, after the war, Athens was implementing mass executions based on the outcome of a vote.
Look. Aquinas was right, democracy is mob rule. Mob rule is tyranny. We live in a tyranny.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  BTP
23 days ago

“Close the city, and tell the poeple, that something’s coming to call,
Death and darkness are rushing forward, to take a bite from the wall.
You’ve nothing to say? They’ll drag you away!
If you listen to fools, the mob rules.”
— Black Sabbath “Mob Rules” (1980)
 

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
23 days ago

I used to think Alex Jones was a nut job for always bringing up the Chinese instead of the usual suspects as undermining our culture.

I now think the Chinese, Progressive, and Usual Suspect alliance is the Axis alliance.

Not sure I see this playing out like Athens although I do think that we resemble late stage Athens more than late stage Rome.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
23 days ago

What if, “the Joos” conspiracy is pushed by China in order to distract the “alt right” from who is really behind the curtain pushing the insanity.
 
Nobody really knows, but the ChiComs are rising on my list of evil subversives. From my connections with the Jewish community they are not pleased with the current situation either (but who knows).
 
However, whitey ALWAYS lies down and takes it, so there’s that. Been noticed more pissed off looking white guys than usual lately, though.

miforest
Member
23 days ago

the fact that the covid scare and the riots have such a coordinated feel to them is true . Today they started the easily pricdictable ” second wave” screaming. The number you cannot ever find its the number of people tested. because if you could find that you could easily prove that the background rate of infection is constant and probably declining. The complicity of the GOP at the national, state and local levels in both of these events lets the mask fall . We have no influience at all. where will we be in 2 years? look at china… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  miforest
23 days ago

Ignore the infection rates. Look only at death rates. They can pad the death rates, but they can only pad them so much, because deaths require actual bodies.
 
ETA: Well, let me walk that back a bit. It’s harder to fabricate the deaths, but not impossible. I’d mention a possible historical example, but that would be illegal in most parts of Europe.
 

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

Look at the total death count.
 
Even with NYC juicing the count as much as possible, it’s just the flu, bro.

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
23 days ago

COVID: “Let’s juice the flu, bro!”
 
 

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

Northern Virginia remains on full lock down. Daily deaths in the state of Virginia with 8.5 million people have been in or near single digits for two weeks. Yesterday’s death toll: One. Day before: Two. Day before that: Three. Yet, we’re still on lock down.
 
Total deaths: 1502. Death toll after three month 0.018%. So this Black Death will end up killing 1 out of every 5,000 people in the state, the vast majority of whom would have died in two years or less anyway.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

It’s spiking in Az—but that was expected and warned against. However, MSM is ginning up fear porn nationwide using Az as an example of foolish opening up.   Top health officials here are still talking about need to open up and accept increase in COVID infections. County Health here said there are ICU beds available. Fear mongers—including my own doctor—scream the ICU beds are shrinking, but that’s because the hospitals opened up for elective surgery (long postponed, sucks to be you with cancer as you let it spread for two months).   People in general are less fearful and more… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

I’ve was forced to wear the mask once. Lost an old friend over my refusing to wear a mask OUTSIDE.
 
But I’ll give credit to the other side. They have great marketing with all of this, especially the masks. “It’s not about your freedom of choice. You’re not wearing a mask endangers others as well. That’s why you have to wear it. It’s not about you.”
 
It’ll be the same with racism and “climate change.”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

My reply to exactly that shaming technique is that individual sacrifice on behalf of my fellow man is between myself, my minister, and God. It can not be demanded by the State of a free individual and I refuse to relinquish that freedom.
 
If folk are that concerned, then I propose they stay at home and self quarantine themselves, thus making us both happy.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

The initial bills designed to fight the pandemic included funding to hospitals for COVID patients. Medicare pays $12K per COVID admission and $39K for intubation of a COVID patient. Hospital administrators therefore label everyone and every death they can “COVID related” and they are not audited by the Fed’s—especially when there were few valid testing methods for the virus.   This is rumored *not* to be a trivial number in the stat’s regarding the pandemic. Where the truth will/may come to light is when the death records and numbers can be compared to death records and numbers before and after… Read more »

james wilson
james wilson
23 days ago

 
Superior take, manZ, much needed. When a proplem is understood it is no longer quite as vexing.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
23 days ago

“It is more of a self-serving warning of an inevitable end dictated by history.” Your use of “self-serving” is curious. This would mean “having concern for one’s own welfare and interests before those of others”. Certainly a nation should put its own interests ahead of others, except perhaps in the rare case when an action really is in everybody’s best interest. But how could an inevitable end dictated by history ever be in a nation’s interest? Is the USA an empire? You’re damned right it is! Especially post WWII, America has dominated much of the world. The dollar is a… Read more »

TomA
TomA
23 days ago

Or, the financial Ponzi scheme finally collapses, the fiat currency becomes worthless, the federal gravy trains derails, the parasites start starving, and a glorious tyrant arises to “fix” everything. The few remaining free Alphas form militias in hopes of defeating the Jackboot corp, and chaos reigns supreme for an interregnum. Great misery ensues until a new paradigm emerges to rid us of the societal rot.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
23 days ago

In a republic we need votes.

Allowing the Progressives to brainwash our women means we get fewer childre to vote with.

Allowing the usual suspects to financialize everything means we have no way to maintain community.

And finally allowing external powers rise on the back of our jobs like we have with China and allow the feral underclass to burn our cities and topple our statues while we sit on our ass and watch on TV in this Athenian distopia will be our undoing.

Qba
Qba
23 days ago

Considering the changing ethnic makeup, I’d venture to say thay your Empire is becoming more like Carthage. Mercantile, increasingly reliant on ethnic mercenaries (“freedom fighters/greatest allies”), using navy to safeguard trade routes. The questions is: who’s going to become new Phoenicians? After all, you already have a prominent share of semitic people in the imperial elite and commerce.

tremain
tremain
Reply to  Qba
23 days ago

The old phoenicians never went away. They just keep relocating into new host nations.
 

Our Greatest Ally
Our Greatest Ally
Reply to  Qba
23 days ago

increasingly reliant on ethnic mercenaries (“freedom fighters/greatest allies”)

Oddly enough, our “greatest ally” has never offered mercenary soldiers or materiel on our behalf. It’s only ever been the other way around.

Qba
Qba
Reply to  Our Greatest Ally
23 days ago

I read about IDF instructors in Ukraine, during 2014 clashes with Berkut, so I’d be cautious.
https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/imagine-an-idf-officer-commanding-a-troop-of-neo-nazi-hooligans/

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
23 days ago

I know that the Spartans eventually died out. Some Roman writer wrote about the last “graduation” ceremony. Don’t let women own the means of production folks.
 
But what happened to the Helots? I’m getting tired of ours.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tykebomb
23 days ago

The Helots overthrew the weaken Spartans and thus the nation merged and vanished.

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

Spartan women also got a lot of the money, too. Men die and they inherit most of the wealth. Can’t see any problems there.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Lanky
23 days ago

Neither does Mrs CompSci. ;-(

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Tykebomb
23 days ago

We *are* the Helots.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  BadThinker
23 days ago

Yep, but at least in Sparta, the Helots were mastered by their superiors or betters. Now we are mastered by our inferiors. The result is the same—slavery—but perhaps more shameful in our case. Much more shameful.
 

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
23 days ago

The defeat of America will ultimately be economic. The US Dollar being the reserve currency and, to a lesser extent, our military and our arms industry along with oil priced in Dollars are what gives America her power and Americans their standard of living. It is the world’s job to produce stuff and it is our job to consume those products and have parties. A pretty good gig if you can get it. Our military is a paper tiger. Basically, none of our military equipment can be replaced in real time in a war. Even the weapons made in the… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  tarstarkas
23 days ago

So odd. I read this after posting above.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  tarstarkas
23 days ago

I doubt any country prepares for a war and assumes production of major equipment after the fact. Even those damn cruise missiles, all made here at Raytheon take a long time. We have what we need if the war planned for is quick and there’s a lot of somewhat obsolete stuff in reserve, for example Abrams Tanks. Like 8000, last I read, parked in the middle of the desert.   In Tucson, we have the airplane boneyard, which is really a misnomer. The planes are mothballed and ready to be placed into service if needed. That’s where you’ll find lots… Read more »

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
23 days ago

Of course, by the time Athens was defeated in the Peloponnesian War, its internal politics were such a shambles that generals were being appointed by rival political parties in the hope that they would lose, its alleged “allies” hated it, and its finances were exhausted by an enormous unproductive bureaucracy; a power in such straits was bound to lose to someone very soon, its defeat was as close to being a foregone conclusion as anything can be, Sparta just happened to be their major antagonist when it happened. When this thing starts to go, it’s going to go faster than… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Altitude Zero
23 days ago

History loves irony.

Dutch
Dutch
23 days ago

The endgame for our current situation is the “gibs”. The lockdowns and the “free” monthly cash payouts are welcomed by a lot of people, especially the young adults, who see all of this as some sort of birthright. They love getting paid for not going to work. Even the looters are rationalizing their take as “it’s all insured”. In a few months, the free gibs run out, just in time for the elections. Then you will have many angry people.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dutch
23 days ago

Insured? Is it? Last policy I looked at—for that matter all policies I looked at—have clauses directly *excluding* losses due to war, riot, or insurrection (or flowery language to that effect). Seems this present situation fits the bill for riot.
 

greyenlightenment
23 days ago

Ppl who keep predicting and awaiting the collapse of america are going to be waiting a long time.. Maybe if Ray Kruzweil or Elon Musk invents life extension, someone will live long enough to witness it. Unlike the empires of antiquity that came and went, or even the British empire, America has no rival of comparable strength or ruthlessness.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  greyenlightenment
23 days ago

except ourselves.

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  greyenlightenment
23 days ago

“Ppl who keep predicting and awaiting the collapse of america are going to be waiting a long time”   I respectfully disagree. Given current trends, it’s not going to take a rival of comparable strength or ruthlessness, a mid-range power will be able to do it. Like Athens, America will be its own worst enemy. It may have taken such a rival to have defeated America in 1955, or 1985, or even 2001, but that’s no longer true. As you can probably tell, this is not your father’s United States. I don’t take particular pleasure in saying this, I’ve loved… Read more »

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Altitude Zero
23 days ago

If you look at the rest of the world, they are not doing any better. Europe has as much social decay as the US. South America is corrupt and weak. Africa..is ..Africa. Russia is also corrupt and weak.

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  greyenlightenment
23 days ago

Then it’s a game of passing the torch to survive. And to whom will the boomers pass that flickering torch — brown people with only repeating consonants in their names?
 
 

Maus
Maus
Reply to  greyenlightenment
23 days ago

That’s just it. Collapse from the rot within; not conquest by the Mongols on the horizon. America tolerates, nay welcomes enthusiastically, the dregs of humanity because even those from the lowest economic and social class who are of European extraction can’t be bothered to mow their lawns, butcher their meat or raise their children. We have become a nation of spoiled children who consider poverty to be having a used car or anything other than the most recent iteration of the Iphone. The pioneer spirit that defined America in the 19th century and so attracted the white European immigrants has… Read more »

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  Maus
23 days ago

Cowboy up? What does that mean? Are we all supposed to raise our own cattle in our backyard, slaughter them in our apartment, and freeze the meat in our basement? While taking time out to fix our car, rewire the house’s electrical system, upgrade the plumbing, and plant and weed a vegetable garden?   I don’t want to belabor the point, but frankly, I am tired of calls to become expert in every trade and Do It Yourself. Some people just don’t have the temperament and prefer mental work. If an individual enjoys improving skills in a few areas, great.… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  greyenlightenment
23 days ago

Well it is good to read an optimist. The sad part is I don’t see the foundation for your optimism. The emerging Estados Unitas Americanos might not just have a different name than the United States of America, it will have a different people too.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
23 days ago

When we talk about military supremacy, we’re really talking about naval supremacy. With the advent of hypersonic missiles anything floating on the water becomes a liability. But much like the Europeans during WW1, we won’t comprehend that our military is assembled around dated technologies and strategies until it’s too late. Carriers were already a liability before the new technology. Now they may as well be white elephants, clipper ships, destined to go to the bottom of the South China Sea. Ironically, where everything started going bad for us over half a century ago. And, being a democracy, with citizens raised… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  JR Wirth
23 days ago

We did a test run for your retreat scenario, years ago, at the end of our involvement in the Vietnam War. The experience was devastating to our cultural confidence, at the time. It led to Jimmy Carter’s elevation to the presidency, so he could further scold us about our shortcomings.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  JR Wirth
23 days ago

It is not just that it is obsolete. If the carriers were not obsolete, the problem of replacing a sunk carrier still exists. We have the same problem with fighter jets. We simply do not have an industry capable of building them entirely from America or even America, Canada and Mexico. Too many of the parts come from overseas that cannot be made here. This is probably also true of tanks. All of the military is heavily dependent on technology that is not exclusively American. Worse, the shipping lanes could not be kept safe by America and many of the… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  tarstarkas
23 days ago

Can you cite an example of a critical part not made here? Or more to the point can not be made here? Airplanes are often joint ventures which allow other countries to purchase, but that we depend on these countries or the planes don’t fly? Not sure I’ve heard of that. In any event, odds are a war will be short and whatever we need, we have on hand or we do without. WWII’s long ramp up time is not planned for in WWIII. But a I’ve not a strategist.
 

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Compsci
22 days ago

I do not know the specific parts that could not be produced here. Presumably it would be the electronics. Our electronics industry has been decimated, especially in the last 25 years. Any LCD screen in these machines is imported, for example.
It’s possible we could build factories to produce what we need, but that takes time. You have to build the building itself and all the production equipment. It all has to be engineered. Even a greatly accelerated program would likely take years. This is assuming the underlying infrastructure is capable of doing such a thing.
 

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
23 days ago

I’d like to sincerely thank everyone on my team. Everything’s moving along quite nicely.
 All my love
Satan
 
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Steve in Greensboro
Member
23 days ago

 

UFO
UFO
23 days ago

Hey, totally off topic but does anybody have investment advice in this crazy market?
 
I’m making money day trading but if anyone has some tips I’d greatly appreciate it.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

Yes I do. Put some gold under your bed. Then stock up on lots of MREs and Ammunition.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

(this is not investment advice but one man’s opinion) Real assets but not necessarily real estate. Especially in places like CA. Real estate is regional and spotty. Obviously a 95% white area in a vastly white state would have a natural premium. I’m a commodities oriented guy myself, particularly energy. There’s a phenomenal podcast, MacroVoices, that has great guests, is very buttoned down, has a smart host who gives great advice. I would start there. It’s not investing 101, but a reasonably smart person can follow along. https://www.macrovoices.com/ Stay away from CNBC scum, as a matter of fact do the… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

Take profits. Yesterday……

Oficial Bologna Tester
Oficial Bologna Tester
Reply to  usNthem
23 days ago

Buy the dip, snort some coke, rinse and repeat. Then jump off the Empire State Building. Because your part of the problem not the solution.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Oficial Bologna Tester
23 days ago

A lot of them will do that by the way.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Oficial Bologna Tester
23 days ago

Look, when I said take profits yesterday, it was tongue in cheek. But obviously it wouldn’t have been a bad idea. Day trading is for suckers. Yeah, you might hit a winner here and there or maybe even get on a hot streak, but unless you’re willing to put a lot of time and effort into it, eventually you’ll flame out. You’re best off putting the bulk of your liquid investable assets in quality dividend paying stocks – admittedly a little tougher with the economy semi FUBAR – and good growth companies in tech and perhaps healthcare. The market has… Read more »

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

Invest in anything with a defense contract with the Gov. And WAIT. The market is collapsing right now. If you were smart, you just made a little money off that last wave and you’re readying your cash when the prices bottom out.
 

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  UFO
23 days ago

Yes, thanks for asking. Stop day trading. Buy stocks with good dividend yields at good prices, usually when they’re down. Keep a bunch of cash to take advantage of market debacles like today’s. Hold some gold in the Perth Mint ETF, ticker AAAU.
 
There can be no guarantees, but your long-term odds will be better than by day trading and you will need to spend less time managing your investments.

Steve in Greensboro
Member
23 days ago

The future as eternal Groundhog Day? Now there’s a depressing thought. I doubt it.
My guess is that the decadent American empire and soon-to-be-decadent Chinese empire will both be overthrown by a religiously-driven culture. Religion gives a culture faith in the future, a reason to reproduce (ensuring demographic victory) and the confidence to be aggressive and suffer to achieve its goals.
Given those guidelines, I would bet on a new Caliphate. Maybe not this century, but latest the next one.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Steve in Greensboro
23 days ago

I suspect the future leads to the historical norm with no great powers and probably hundreds more nations. It will not be a Caliphate as Islam is too prone to decadence and disorder in differentiating measures. Saudi Arabia is basically a time bomb waiting to happen and Iran, while an actual theocracy is sicker than we are. Now religious people will be the winners, using the US as a example. the highest fertility rate in the US is the Amish who if their fertility continues at current levels will be the majority people in the US from a mere 10,000… Read more »

Alex
Alex
23 days ago

Here’s the American Empire in all its glory. During the “pandemic” cops were busy harassing peaceful white people on park benches, yet just a few weeks later the very same cops are nowhere to be found when blacks are assaulting whites on the very same benches: https://twitter.com/TheyCallMePiatt/status/1271110697049612288 https://twitter.com/RNRMaryland/status/1270793786067689473   I used to be on the fence about “defund the police” because even in the biggest most hellish diversitopias the cops represent some of the last vestiges of working class white people. But except for maybe cops in rural and small town areas, most of these guys will protect and serve… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Alex
23 days ago

You must live in a peaceful area. When police react in a way that is anti-public good—as however one defines that, you correct that behavior. If the corruption is deep, you might start all over again. But how one in this society does without a police force needs to be explained to me somewhat more in detail.   As to their pensions, that is a general problem with public employees and weak political administration, not really a police problem in particular. The problem as I see it, being worse in blue States than red States. One good correction is to… Read more »

Maus
Maus
23 days ago

Maybe a still better analogy is Carthage. After two centuries of exceptionalism that peaked with our mighty war elephants (nuclear armaments) we have been conquered by the Poz and our earth salted with the global detritus of the southern hemisphere. We will become a desert wasteland of almost zero future relevance beyond resource extraction. About us, people will laugh derisively in order to avoid weeping at our history. When the left chants Black Lives Matter, what they really mean is America delenda est.

usNthem
usNthem
23 days ago

Our authoritarian overlords along with their corporate oligarch co- conspirators are seemingly hellbent and confident that foisting this nigocracy (of the negro, by the negro, for the negro) upon the rest of the country is a sure winner, with the shriekers and scolds fanning the flames while keeping the hoi poloi in place. I doubt an external power would even bother, other than to help along the internal subversion when and how they can. Perhaps a well placed nuke on the DC mall to hurry things along wouldn’t hurt. Head west Z.

Tom K
Tom K
23 days ago

They say the “Founding Fathers” paid special attention to the fate of Ancient Rome. They wanted to write the constitution in such a way as to avoid Rome’s descent into tyranny, thus the “balance of powers” we make so much about. Never mind that the Romans had a highly-developed republican system also with its own balance of powers. Their republic lasted longer than ours ever will.   That chapter (ours) hasn’t been written yet, but maybe we did get Athens instead of Rome. That would be just like history, in avoiding one fate, we get another just as bad if… Read more »

DJ3Way
DJ3Way
23 days ago

I mean the way the Athenians conducted themselves (recalling the good general, etc) in the war against Sicily was insane, but the actual idea of it…if they had won they would have controlled the world, basically. Would have given them enough resources to win the Greek wars, and from their it was smooth sailing for the domination of the world.
I’m reading Creasy how could you tell

Bill Mullins
Member
23 days ago

This is a society that bans books, throws men in jail for their politics and has created a form of internal exile for those found to be guilty of impiety.  Not arguing the part about books being banned and I have read of people in jail solely due to their politics. I would, however, like an example of internal exile. Not arguing,mind you, just wanting an illustration. Maybe the end of history is what we are seeing today replayed over and over forever.  DAMN! but I hope you are wrong on this. I figure sooner or later the whole “vibrant”… Read more »

Gatotkacha
Gatotkacha
23 days ago

So-called conservatives. This is coming from the guy who denounced the Lockdown protesters, while he sat on his ass and pontificated. Yes only G-Man has the true, correct beliefs!

diconez
diconez
Reply to  Gatotkacha
18 days ago

to be fair, Zman did notice the conservatives were better during that anti-lockdown struggle than the secular HBDissidents that wanted to believe the Science of Blessed Cochran and Sailer, and thought once proven right on mass coronadeaths they’d be proven right on the bell curve and buy books from C-C… except, not.   you can’t trust people who only believe in matter, as matter is much more easily bent and twisted around – specially brain matter hoarding purely material truths.   now, if conservatives counterprotested against CHAZ and BLM just as hard as against lockdowns and gun-taking, they would conserve… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
23 days ago

America IS being conquered from the outside so if the Athens analogy was to work it would end with Athens being swamped with Persians, Egyptians, Assyrians, you name it, all invited in by the Athenian democracy. I think Rome is a better analogy for that. Rome, like America, did not (at first anyway) suffer a crushing military defeat like Athens did. What is happening in the world right now does not just involve America or the West but also the non-Westerners flooding into the promised lands. Was Athens overrun with alien migrants at the end? Maybe not b/c it was… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
23 days ago

Embrace the healing power of AND.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
23 days ago

That we indulge these creeps in all their #MeToo style charades-

As if WE failed THEM in some manner.

It’s a giant, recurring civilizational neg…

One that Normie accepts!

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
23 days ago

Somewhat off topic, but when a former U.S. Secretary of the Treasury writes a column today like THIS (citing other mainstream voices saying the same thing), and author Ann Coulter does the same with THIS—a breakthrough is occurring.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
23 days ago

Paul Craig Roberts used to write for Counterpunch. Of course that’s when Cockburn was co-owner. Now days they wouldn’t let him past parking lot security.