The 85’ers

Lost in the turmoil of the present revolutionary moment is the fact that one side of the political class remains trapped in a strange time warp. Look through the publications of mainstream conservatives and it is as if they stopped publishing new material somewhere in the last decade. They acknowledge that Trump won the White House, but they refuse to see it as anything but a one-off anomaly. There was no reason for it, other than a bug in the code or a one-in-a-million event.

For a while after Trump took office, they carried on with the anti-Trump stuff, but the money from the usual suspects ran out, so they dropped it. The Israel First wing of Conservative Inc. has setup shop at The Dispatch and The Bulwark, sites that cater to an audience that is similarly lost in time. Both sites look like recycled versions of the Weekly Standard circa 1996 or maybe The New Republic in 1986. What’s left of the old conservative coalition looks like a museum exhibit.

A good example is this post from Kevin Williamson. It feels like forever ago when he was considered an edgy writer for the new breed of conservatives. Read his copy and that feeling is obvious. For the last four years immigration has been one of the main topics of conversation in politics. What it is doing to a state like Texas has been a popular example. Yet, in a post about how Texas is becoming California, in terms of its politics, he does not mention immigration once.

How is it possible to be so obtuse? Granted, Williamson is not the brightest bulb in the bunch, but even the dumbest pundit should notice what people are saying. Of course, Williamson is a good example of another modern phenomenon. Whenever one of these guys gets mugged by the mob, instead of being radicalized by it, they go the other way, desperately trying to prove their prior blasphemy was an anomaly. He’s now a 1985 libertarian, ignoring most of what is happening in the world.

That’s fine, but National Review chooses to publish him anyway. They don’t have to make a trauma victim their lead writer. On the other hand, what else is there? The entirety of Conservative Inc. is in the same panic room as Williamson. At this moment, National Review’s front page has a story about electric cars, a story drooling over an Indian immigrant running for Senate in Tennessee, a story about robot wives and, well, you get the point. Teen Vogue is more serious.

It is not just con-men and grifters from the Conservative Industrial Complex that are trapped in a time warp. This was on Breitbart over the weekend. James Pinkerton used to be a guy who would speak forthrightly about the warmongers in the conservative sphere or the impact of globalization on regular Americans. He’s a libertarian, for the most part, but a rare one, in that he was prone to fits of realism. That post looks like something he wrote in the 1980’s.

Stop and consider where we are at this moment. On the one hand, we have a ruling class that is rotten to the core. They have corrupted every aspect of civil and cultural life in America. They now send gangs out into the streets to attack people and take over sections of cities. Pinkerton’s argument is the GOP must become the defenders of those corrupt institutions, as if this is forty years ago and the Left was making its final assault on the infrastructure of the country.

It is as if the entirely of conservatism has responded to the present turmoil by hopping in their DeLorean and going back to the 1980’s. Instead of reevaluating those old positions in light of new reality, they have reconstructed a new reality that is just ignorance of the present reality. The effects of wholesale immigration, globalization, the rise of the Cult-Marx Left and the populist awakening are all ignored. Instead they are retreating into their Burkean panic room to wait out the danger.

Part of it, no doubt, is fear. To talk candidly about what is happening these days is to risk your job and career. Most of the people in Conservative Inc. are there for the money and lifestyle it provides. They like the social aspects and the easy living. If being a Maoist provided the same lifestyle, most would happily quote from Mao. These are highly remunerated house slaves. The monied interests that underwrite these publications are not looking for candor.

Still, there are people who talk candidly about the current year. Kevin Williamson could at least mention immigration once in a story about how Texas is being turned into California by the flood of immigrants and migrants fleeing the invasion. Even if he can’t bring himself to admit the truth, he could at least acknowledge that people have been talking about it for close to a decade now. Pinkerton could acknowledge that the GOP is just the political arm of global enterprise.

What makes this retrenchment even more strange is the people they used to rip-off are heading the other way. You see it in little ways. For example, the old MAGA types are abandoning Twitter and Facebook for Parler. Many have recently taken the plunge to join Gab, after hearing Andrew Torba on Glenn Beck. Trump’s support is lagging because his voters wanted him to be more of what Conservative Inc. warned about, rather than less of it. They want the Trump the Left promised.

For the boys and girls now huddling in Camp 1985, the world has become a dangerous place, so they are hiding out in the past, hoping it all goes away. Every once in a while they will mutter “Orange Man Bad”, but otherwise, they are sitting out the storm, updating their old posts about the need for Burkean conservatism and how race relations were never better. Conservatism has become a cargo cult. They think if they pretend hard enough, it will be 1985 again.

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Ari Silver
Ari Silver
23 days ago

I think it was you who pointed out the excessive compensation they receive at NRO, there just working through the foundation money. The GOP is corrupt and needs to go.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

Prior to his leaving for The Atlantic, the NRI 990 listed Williamson’s compensation at $210k. They haven’t released the 2019 990 yet. Rich Lowry was over $400k in the last one they have at Propublica. French and Goldberg were also pulling down $200k a piece when they left. National Review appears to still have a committed group of geriatric small donors willing to fund them. It is like the Mainline Protestant church with a dwindling membership of senior citizens that has moved left every time the culture has put pressure on them in the past 50 years and wonders why… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Barnard
23 days ago

A little fire and brimstone would do the church good. And I don’t mean the sort antifa has in mind.

Catothewiser
Catothewiser
Reply to  Paintersforms
23 days ago

I’ve been an atheist all my life but the biggest value I saw in organized religion was what the Cultural Marxists detested the most – their social conservatism. Sadly, that is gone now. When I see churches with their hippy dippy anything goes stance it turns my stomach. This is contrary to the “popular opinion” that somehow their values were a turn off to me. On a personal note, a guy I work with who was married had an affair with a woman who was married and they had a kid. This guy was dumped by the woman and still… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Catothewiser
22 days ago

Agreed. I don’t attend church for that reason. Or more accurately my church is an informal thing among friends.

The Right Doctor
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

Hmmm. I assume everyone in my church, including the pastor, is a sinner. That’s why I’m there: it’s for the real me, not the me I’d like to be.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  The Right Doctor
22 days ago

When I find a church that speaks truth to me I’ll join.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Catothewiser
22 days ago

then 75% of everyone around you would be banished

Calvinists tried it

Dave
Dave
Reply to  Catothewiser
22 days ago

If I ever come to Jesus, it will be in a church that the SPLC lists as a “hate group”. Anything the SPLC approves of is too liberal for me.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Barnard
23 days ago

Then that’s pretty damning

Because $210,000 may sound like a lot but in a major city like the DC area, you are basically in that zone where the upper reaches of the middle class merge with the lower reaches of the professional class. One neighbor is a 2-income family of a nurse and an electrician, and the other is a maybe a female attorney and her dabbling hobbyist husband. It’s not bad.

But the point is he would be willing to sell himself for that? He could achieve that through honest hard work.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

I think Williamson has been living in the Houston metro area for years. As Zman pointed out, what shows up on the 990 isn’t a writer’s only source of income. They are expected to generate other revenue, like book sales. Some get “gifts” from wealthy donors usually for putting out articles on a particular topic. For what he is doing, he is very well compensated.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Barnard
23 days ago

Makes sense

IOW He also has side grifts

Kentucky Headhunter
Kentucky Headhunter
Reply to  Barnard
23 days ago

Isn’t Google a significant contributor?

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Kentucky Headhunter
23 days ago

They got some onetime funding from Google for something specific, but I don’t think that is an ongoing revenue source for them. They do fundraising drives three times a year and get their readers to put up significant cash to keep them going at their current level. There has to be a small group of bigger donors writing checks, but they can pull in $200k on a two week fundraising drive which is baffling to me, what do these people think they are getting for their small donations?

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Barnard
23 days ago

That’s all chicken feed compared to the numbers the left pulls in.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Hoagie
23 days ago

The left has tens of millions making a good living off the vampire State. Conservatives are those supposedly striving to do so despite it. Guess which one has more free cash?

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

Now Williamson has stepped in crap a few times, but with Lowry and the rest, never underestimate the non-pecuniary value of getting all the good cocktail invites and being cooed over by respectable Washington society as the “right” kind of conservative.

Barnard
Barnard
23 days ago

Doesn’t Williamson currently live in Texas? He is witnessing demographic transformation firsthand and refuses to comment on it. He appears to have moved back to his shtick of blaming Democrats for mismanaging big cities that would be utopias with the same demographics if only they were willing to elect Jack Kemp style Republicans.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Barnard
23 days ago

To him race doesn’t matter. Even the squattest Guatemalan is a liberty lover who just hasn’t read Milton Friedman yet.

Catothewiser
Catothewiser
Reply to  Marko
23 days ago

Squatemalan?

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Barnard
23 days ago

I’m surprised* at how shortsighted the Republican establishment is. Even if they don’t catch on to anything else regarding demographic transformation, it seems like they would realize (after a few decades) that the brown people don’t vote Republican. If nothing else, they won’t be able to win elections. I guess the current grifters get while the getting is good. They don’t worry, even in the most narrow and selfish sense, about the near future

* I know I shouldn’t be.

Catothewiser
Catothewiser
Reply to  Barnard
23 days ago

According to this article the chap works at National Review where David French lubs his little non-White child and the problem is White people, er ah “nationalists.” LOL!
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/10/donald-trump-alt-right-internet-abuse-never-trump-movement/

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
23 days ago

When you look at it historically, the Republican party is fulfilling its mission. It was always a creation of rich Yankees dedicated to free enterprise. The Democrat party is the historical home of conservativism, the worker and the farmer. Joe Biden is typical of the party and it’s why the Republicans playing his greatest hits is backfiring spectacularly. The move to the Left has been met every step of the way by the Republicans. It shouldn’t be surprising that they would keep demanding recognition for their works. For example, the 1965 civil rights act had more Republican support than Democrat.… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Tykebomb
23 days ago

>  Joe Biden is typical of the party and it’s why the Republicans playing his greatest hits is backfiring spectacularly. 
Just saw Eric Trump tweet a clip of Biden defending natural marriage, thinking it’s some big gotcha. It’s as if they are intentionally trying to demoralize their base.

SixxSigma
SixxSigma
Reply to  Chet Rollins
23 days ago

That DR3 bullshit—in all of its manifestations—simply astounds me. I keep trying to understand their reasoning behind it, but perhaps you’re right. Perhaps it is deliberate demoralization.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Chet Rollins
23 days ago

Trump JR is simply a dumb political hack

even I was upset when he dumped his wife What a low down piece of shit Then he goes with Gavin Newsome’s ex Just weird on top of it

but my guess is he has a following that overlaps with hannity’s core audience.

but Trump the father better dust off his political antennae and start listening. If he wants to win.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

Falcone – the one you’re referring to is the older son Donald Jr.; the one Chet mentions is Eric (with the blond wife and 2 cute blond kids). Agree about the older son – used to think he was tolerable as a hunter/outdoorsman, but his family situation is deplorable, and I despise half-Puerto Rican Guilfoyle.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  3g4me
23 days ago

Jr. was the hell raiser of the bunch and Sr. at one time worried he was on the same path as Sr.’s deceased older brother. Lot of time was spent crawling into Jr.’s life and making sure he didn’t have the optional time to get off track. I’m not surprised by the occasional bit of rebellion.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
23 days ago

My apologies for the mix up 😉

Yes, the blond son isn’t half bad. I also like Baron, who reminds me of my nephew. And Prez Trump reminds me of my dad lol. So there is a little familial warmth I have for that family.

But that sleaze ball son with the dark hair and 5′ oclock shadow? Na. Don’t like him and bothers me that he dumped his wife for that glorified stripper.

Blerk
Blerk
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

His wife separated from him after Trump became president because her NYC social circle hated Trump and she couldn’t withstand the social pressure.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Tykebomb
23 days ago

Truth. Interesting how whites drifted to the Republicans as they got wealthier. Immigrants and POCs are the new ‘little guy’. Goes to show economics is the deciding factor in politics.

Now the whites who got wiped out realize we’re in the demographic age, hence the insurgency in the party. Goodwhite liberals, fewer and fewer of them, simply haven’t gotten wiped out yet.

I’d have a good laugh if the blue bloods end up going Dem. That would have an antebellum flavor, wouldn’t it?

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  Paintersforms
23 days ago

That’s not true. The Democrats have always driven American politics. The Republicans simply got outflanked by Johnson. It’s a cliche phrase it so common, “I didn’t leave the Democrat party, etc, etc.”

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Tykebomb
23 days ago

Dems have big wins and big losses. I wouldn’t call them the conservative party, more so populist. They were only conservative relative to the Whigs/Republicans in defense of the southern way of life. FDR turned them into a socialist party, which took 35 years or so to complete, and that was only possible because socialism was marketed as populism. What they have wrt driving American politics is continuity. The right has been just as influential under different banners. I think the 60s was a confluence of a couple of factors. It was the high water mark of northern industry, and… Read more »

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Tykebomb
23 days ago

The Repubs are irredeemable. The sooner they’re gone, the better.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  MBlanc46
22 days ago

As were the federalists and whigs. New parties are a right wing thing.

Demographics are a new wrinkle. At this point I’m thinking Republicans will split into 2 ‘white’ parties, one elitist the other populist, leaving Dems as POC party with token whites. This of course if whites don’t decide to stick together.

Sounds crazy to me, but everything is crazy now.

ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

The GOP will be taken over by pajits.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Tykebomb
23 days ago

The Republican party can’t be transformed. That’s the lesson of 2016. It needs to be “repealed and replaced.”

I can’t name a dozen people with any name recognition or influence who would be worth keeping around in a reformed GOP – out of a pool of hundreds of national and state pols.

Every GOP politician I have ever met has struck me as a greasy-fingered fixer or a vapid sock puppet – usually the latter.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tykebomb
23 days ago

“rich Yankees dedicated to free enterprise.”
Ah, the mythical beast. Rich Yankees got that way by Lincoln style tax and spend government “improvements”. Free enterprise was the last thing they wanted, They were prepared to slaughter 600,000 Americans to prevent it.

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  Bilejones
22 days ago

They were prepared to slaughter 600,000 Americans to prevent it.

If their actual rhetoric is any indication of the number of lives they were truly prepared to slaughter, 600,000 is off by orders of magnitude. To wit:

But, in 1843, after a speech, the sentiments of which had far surpassed the bounds of reason and moderation, in reply to a question by a member, whether he [Mr. Seward] was ready for abolition, “no matter though five millions of the South perish”—he exclaimed, in his seat, “Five hundred millions, let it come!”

Drake
Drake
23 days ago

1985 was a nice year. One of the many big differences with 2020 is how much easier it is to spot the bullshit now. Because – the left is so much further left (without the Cold War to limit their embrace of socialism), the cucks like Williamson are in an obvious empty middle. Trump has a talent for revealing them too although he seems to do little about them. And nice people like the Z-Man helpfully point out their crap to people like me who weren’t always paying attention.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

It’s understandable, particularly at this period in history. For a typical White American to acknowledge our current reality is disconcerting at best and, likely, terrifying. We’re about to become a despised minority in this country, the ramifications of which could be pretty bad. Easier to withdraw into fantasy land and hope for the best. That said, anecdotal evidence in my life shows that a number of White men (and even some White women) are waking up – at least somewhat. They’re still in that confused stage, trying to figure out what’s going on, but they’re beginning to realize that the… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

Citizen – Glad to see you here. You hadn’t commented in a few days and I was a bit concerned – we all need a break and life intervenes, but you had intimated stormclouds on the homefront. Hope all is well with you.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  3g4me
23 days ago

Just took some time off. Had some interesting observations during my sojourn in the hinterland. Never seen so many political discussions. Whites can feel that something is wrong, that the deal they were promised isn’t the deal that they’re getting. But the opposite is true as well. The White progressives – especially young White women – are going all in with the Narrative. Lines are being drawn in a way that I haven’t seen before. What’s more, Badwhites seem more and more willing to walk away, often times, literally, as in leave the country. Hell, even Goodwhites talk of leaving… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

I saw owner of my gym and some work-out buddies the other day. (Gyms still closed in NJ with no indication of when they might open.) These are not particularly political people, so the amount of hate directed at Murphy, Trenton, and Democrats was stunning.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

It’s funny. Everyone feels the effects of demographic change, but too few have the balls to talk about it, or even to conceive of it. ‘This isn’t America anymore’ is as close as most will get. That needs to change, or it’s over.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

This a time when rough white men thrive and maybe find opportunities of a lifetime

It’s a cycle. The soft boys are going to the wood chipper

b123
b123
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

I have noticed this too. First of all, any talk of demographic transformation produces a massive mental block in most whites. They just shut down. Can’t blame them, it’s hard to accept that there are powerful forces out there trying to genocide us. To accept this also means that their entire life has been a lie – a life built around tolerance and being nice to minorities. All whites know something is going wrong, be it left, right, or normie. White women sense this, and BLM is a subconscious effort to stay on the right side. I should also add… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  b123
23 days ago

This kind of equivocation drives me NUTS!!!! Doesn’t matter why you think the Indians came to Canada, or why they say they came to Canada. They came there to replace you. Their children are taking the places of White children. They are still not your friends.

b123
b123
Reply to  3g4me
23 days ago

Never said they are my friends.

They have their own team, we have ours.

But they still feel the storm coming.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
23 days ago

Do you ever think that what we are feeling is what Americans in late 1800s/ early 1900s felt when all of those immigrants were pouring in ? Granted, there are differences; racially, for example, those immigrants had a better chance of eventually blending in. But I’m talking more about the general feeling of just wanting to get away and the frustration and anger of having to uproot in the process, on one hand, or having to fight them for work on the other. And, similarly, the country was transformed then. There was a big shake out. People went this way… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

Absolutely, it is very similar to what the primarily British descended population experienced from 1875-1920. I do genealogy, and have read a ton of old newspapers (looking for people’s names, marriages, deaths, etc.). I have numerous clips about ‘a typical night in the Italian quarter’ where x knifed y, or kids not going to school, or petty theft, etc. On the one hand, one reads of parades on church holy days (sort of like the scene in the Godfather) and while I can admire the adherence of tradition and religious beliefs, I can also utterly sympathize with the area’s previous… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
22 days ago

I agree on your latter point. I’m Catholic, and I can see where it was a mistake to let in so many Catholics and how it disrupted the system the Protestants and the people here had come up with. Plus my family is from Italy, but our situation is a little unique because my great-grandparents came to Tampa and New Orleans and are way different than the typical Guido types from New York. Even I can’t tolerate those people. I can see where at the actual human level it was a mistake; no one wants to move into a neighborhood… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

Actually, Falcone, I do think you have a point – and an important one. Too many can’t see past their own family or personal interests. Everyone holds up the various exceptions (by race, religion, etc.) who claim to support ‘western civilization’ as these wonderful allies. What they don’t understand, though, is that most of these exceptions only support it because it has been good for them or their own people. Not one of them supports it as a good in its own right, deserving to exist even if they are not a part of it.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  3g4me
22 days ago

Falcone – 2nd point. One of the reasons US businesses were screaming for immigration and labor from 1875 on was because 600,000 men were slaughtered over the kneegrow question. In this case they legitimately did need workers. And poor peasant farmers from Italy and Ireland were delighted to come work in factories or dig ditches or carry bricks, despite the wages and working conditions. In exchange they got food and schooling for their children who no longer all died of disease, etc.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
22 days ago

Understood. But western civilization, the blood that flows through Italy and Europe is mine. And even where they aren’t “my” people, say in England, we have a lot in common and I’m sure very distant relatives, and they learned from us and vice versa. There was a lot of fighting, sure, but also a lot of taking and giving, say in the arts, culturally. So they are much like my adopted family. And America used to be that. It was part blood relatives and part adopted parents. And what we all know what eventually happened and how people with no… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

There was more open space and most lived outside of the cities. Average American was under less pressure then, so I imagine they chafed less too. In the cities, sure, I bet they hated it.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  b123
23 days ago

There are big regional differences in terms of general attitude and degree of frustration.

People in California for example have been screaming at whites in the midwest for years. Decades. Warning them what was coming. But nothing. Waved us off.

But it took a while for the process to spread to their regions and states. Now what they are going through is what we have already gone through and are, I think, into the next stage already.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  b123
22 days ago

In my last job (high tech) – I worked with an Indian (India) guy and a Filipino. Both were nice enough people – and for the most part kept their politics to themselves, the Indian guy especially. This was probably 4 years ago now – but one day they overheard a few of us white guys talking political stuff – and heard a few remarks about immigration. They both came over – because BOTH of them just could not wrap their heads around why the US government wouldn’t defend the damn border. They had both come here “legally” and gone… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Calsdad
22 days ago

Once they know that Whites are well and truly defeated the border will get closed up since our rulers will not want to share their looting with any jorge-come-latelies

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Calsdad
22 days ago

No such thing as ‘legal’ immigration. Take it from a former visa officer. They all lie, forge papers, claim assets they don’t have, claim strangers as relatives, etc. etc. Every last one of them lied or dodged the rules in some way (even as lenient and f-d up as the ‘rules’ are today). I would stake my life on that.

My Comment
Member
Reply to  Calsdad
22 days ago

I have met Indians who shared that Indian’s concern about immigration. One I know even feels that immigrants should not be able to vote until the third generation. However, they all diligently vote democratic even if they are theoretically independents. They see Republicans as the racist party. The democrats have done a good job at demonizing Republicans and positioning the democrats as being the party of non white immigrants. Despite all their talk about being Americans, they are first and foremost a member of their tribe.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  b123
22 days ago

Crap didn’t see this. You say it better than me!

bob sykes
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

T. S. Eliot, Burnt Norton.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

This devolves into generational politics too. Alot of the worst cucks are our age – mid 50’s and up, and the thought of losing all that free stuff they voted for themselves back in the 70’s and 80’s…? You won’t be selling any red pills with that crowd. Most of them still believe the crap they read in the media too…

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Glenfilthie
23 days ago

Old people and for many people , 55 is senior territory cannot and will not change.
Its why in the past we had formal and informal age restrictions on many jobs and why a DR society will have a rule that ends political participation by the mid 60’s or 70.
I will say though, someone sixty and under didn’t vote themselves anything in the 80’s. He or she was in their twenties at that time and had little to no political power.
The shittiest generation aka the Silents were highly in charge and Ronnie Raygun lead the way.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Glenfilthie
22 days ago

If you’re in your mid-50’s now – well then you weren’t voting yourself shit back in the 70s because you were too young to even vote. And in the 80s – even if you were voting age – you probably weren’t voting yourself anything then either because you were either in college or just out of it and trying to find a job. I’m in my mid 50s now and really didn’t really start paying attention to politics until I was in my late 20’s and realized that “politics” was screwing me over on a constant basis. So I was… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Glenfilthie
22 days ago

A lot of them are going to die over the next decade, just as all the POC take over the Democrat establishment. I used to think that predictions of a crash or breakup by 2035 were a bit premature; now I truly wonder if we’ll make it that far. Barring a crash or split, life (as remembered by those of us from a primarily White America) will be dramatically harsher.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  3g4me
22 days ago

According to Martin Armstrong – we’ll probably be lucky to make it to 2032, and the real descent will start at the next election cycle: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/nobody-will-accept-2020-election-result/ ——————– COMMENT: Mr. Armstrong; Socrates deserves a Nobel Prize for it is the only thing to forecast so many trends correctly. Now the news is that Trump may not accept the election results. I have followed you for years. You are certainly not one of these people who make one forecast and run ads as the guy who forecasts something once so listen to him. I do hope you can bring this public. We… Read more »

Marko
Marko
23 days ago

Marco Rubio fellating John Lewis over the weekend is the absolute state of the GOP.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Marko
23 days ago

June 4th 2020
John Lewis says “his health is improving.” 😀
https://localnews8.com/politics/2020/06/04/john-lewis-says-his-health-is-improving/

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Official Bologna Tester
23 days ago

He must have the same doctor as RBG

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Marko
23 days ago

Marko said: ” Marco Rubio fellating John Lewis over the weekend…”
It doesn’t surprise me to hear that Rubio is a center left necrophiliac with jungle fever.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Marko
23 days ago

imagine Rubio becomes the Normie default person of “who we are”

“did you see how gracious he was with John Lewis? Here we are, country torn apart, elections hanging in the balance, and he puts all partisanship aside. Pure class. That’s who we are. That’s America “

what you think?

nah I don’t think it’s possible

Barnard
Barnard
23 days ago

Williamson’s latest piece from Saturday. Performing a public service for their Boomer readers essentially telling them everything they read on Facebook isn’t true. I hadn’t heard their was a rumor that George Floyd had appeared on Judge Judy based on on obviously way too young man participating on the show with the same name. Maybe that can be Williamson’s new angle, he can be the Conservatism, Inc. version of Snopes.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/about-that-george-floyd-judge-judy-video/

Whitney
Member
23 days ago

I see Biden signs in my neighborhood. These are people with wealth and prestige putting the signs out. They can’t be stupid right? Someone on the local Message Board the other day asked whether people thought Biden had dementia. All the people just responded will so does Trump which is clearly untrue and irrelevant. It seems like the corruption has gone all the way down into their house.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

$5 those houses are where a) the wife makes more than the man; or b) the man talks with a lisp

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

Nope. Super traditional. Mostly Housewives.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

Yikes

Do you live in the suburbs?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

The wealthy, the rich, the elites–these people are now AWRs. The days when big money is conservative are long gone. Hell, just look at corporate America, which nowadays is slightly to the left of Yale.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
23 days ago

Corporate America IS Yale

NJ Person
NJ Person
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
23 days ago

Agreed. One of the biggest demoralizing shocks lately has been the nearly total support given to BLM by Corporate America. If Corporate America is to the left of Noam Chomsky, the situation might be beyond any conventional remedy.  I was recently told by a first-generation immigrant that we are so lucky to have lived in the U.S. instead of Africa or South Asia. I fully agreed. But even so, it is hard to love a country whose elite is so openly hostile. By the way, I just finished the audio version of Chris Caldwell’s “Age of Entitlement”. Caldwell does a great job of showing how… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  NJ Person
23 days ago

Who on Earth still thinks that any of our problems can be solved with anything but the raw naked application of power.
Even Antifa figured this out. Power is truth.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  NJ Person
22 days ago

Compared to Africa or South Asia, “America” is okay for now. But it is spiraling downward so rapidly that living standards will approach those of the third world fairly soon, say within 20 years. Of course, by that time there will have been a civil conflagration of some sort.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

We are already having civil conflict. Its mostly in Leftists cities though so the doesn’t feel like a general conflict and it may not be one.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  NJ Person
22 days ago

I’m reading a book right now that’s a history of Russia up into the revolution. In 1874 the tsar ordered a review of the radical elements in Russian Society. Here is a quote from the report by the Minister of Justice, Count Pahlen: ” the investigation has shown that many no longer young persons – fathers and mothers of families, well situated financially and holding honored positions in society- not only failed to oppose [the young revolutionaries] but, on the contrary offered them overt sympathy, aid and assistance. In their blind fanaticism they seem not to realize that the ultimate… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Whitney
22 days ago

And how right the Count was…

NJ Person
NJ Person
Reply to  Whitney
22 days ago

The analogy to Russia is interesting. I understand that many inside and outside China were similarly oblivious to dangers of Mao immediately before the collapse of Chiang on the mainland. Ditto for Castro in Cuba. People simply wanted change.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Whitney
23 days ago

Too much belief in the Passover tale. The Angel of Racial Death will not be ignoring their houses at all.

Distant Foe
Distant Foe
Reply to  Whitney
22 days ago

Stockholm Syndrome. They identify with their oppressor in order to avoid persecution. Unless you’re dealing with a serial killer, one of the best ways to survive oppression is to get your oppressor to identify with you. That’s most easily accomplished when you identify with them and their cause. Thus the “but I’m on your side” refrain from white antifa kids a few weeks ago as BLM rioters assaulted them. This phenomenon also explains why Hispanics, Asians, and Jews will never majority vote republican (the White party): the GOP is on the losing side of history due to demographic change, and… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
23 days ago

Although not as frequent, it happens on the left too. Leftists stuffed the ballot box with immigration with the thought that they’d finally get their Scandinavian paradise, only to end up staring down the barrel of terror by Brownunism. They hide behind their Orange Man Bad memes and pussy hats as if that garbage means anything to child-molesting tyrants who rule over them.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
23 days ago

Excellent point. Some of them do look a little bewildered and shellshocked as if they got off the train to Stockholm and asking themselves and each other “you sure it said this was the train to Stockholm?”

those were those LIbs who always wanted to study abroad in Paris. They loved Europe. I knew many

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

And yet that shock of getting off the train in Somalia instead of Stockholm never seems to inspire them to abandon that train. Or even question the direction of the tracks. Instead, its just a million shades of “the real bullet train to utopia just hasn’t been done yet.” This is part of why Real Progress demands destroying history; pulling up the tracks behind them helps resolve the dissonance of waiting for real progress. The comfort of knowing that Paris has always looked like Dakar is just around the next bend.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Screwtape
23 days ago

“OK, so it’s not how we imagined it. But let’s not whine about it and instead let’s MAKE it into that placed we all dreamed about”

We all know how this movie ends

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
23 days ago

Yep, I’ve noticed my liberal friends/family members retreating ever deeper into fantasy land, much more so than my CivNat friends/family, many of whom seem to be waking up to various degrees.

White liberals truly believed that their black, brown and yellow mercenaries would fall in line behind them once the hated Badwhites were defeated. As it’s becoming clear that the mercenaries are taking control, White progressives are adopting the anti-White rhetoric to convince themselves that this is what they always wanted. They can’t admit – even to themselves – that they made a huge mistake.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

Many if not most White Progressives are a lost cause, the same with many CivNats. Peeling off enough, and it is happening without much effort, can produce a winning hand even now. We just have to let go of the institutions that failed us, although they should be exploited when the opportunity arises to gain advantage, for example, stoking anger among Christians as their churches are torched.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

White “liberals,” from the 60s on, have always been race traitors. They hated the white race then and they hate it now. They haven’t changed. What may be changing is that they may now be less confident they can control the forces of anti-white racism they have conjured and released. The falcon no longer responds to the falconer.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
23 days ago

This is why I loathe the cohort that likes to parade a&&holes like Evergreen’s Brett Weinstein and say “Look! Listen!” He hasn’t changed his ideas or goals; he’s just pissed that it’s now his ox that’s being gored. But the churchians/cucks/civnats are almost wetting themselves with delight over his pronouncements.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
23 days ago

Unless an AWR manifestly converts to DR–and I’m not sure that has ever happened–they are hardly to be trusted. Any bows to our side are merely temporary deviations to take the heat off and buy some time to attack us again in the future from a different angle.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
23 days ago

Remember those guys, always sort of a clique, in the 80’s who were big into Reggae? Or Ska?

I wonder whatever became of them.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

They own their own tech companies.

b123
b123
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

It is ironic but the badwhites are better equipped to deal with the “black, brown, and yellow” mercenaries anyways. Tribalism is the most important factor, followed by street smarts, the firearm ownership, fertility, geographic location, etc.

Not to mention an average badwhite doesn’t necessarily have a poor relationship with non-whites. It is the white progressives that almost everyone hates.

It is absolutely getting very ugly very fast for the white liberals.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  b123
23 days ago

It is the white progressives that almost everyone hates.

That’s the most amusing part of all of this. White progressives have no clue how despised they are in the Coalition of the Fringes. They truly believe that they are welcomed and loved.

The truth is that gentile White progressives have no home, no side to fall back on. They will find out soon enough that they’re the odd man out.

Based5.0
Based5.0
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

Hand to God, when the balloon goes up, we need to settle the Goodwhites’ hash first and with extreme brutality. We need get so medieval on them that the POCs are traumatized for having witnessed it.

“Yo, Jerome! Didja see what dem cracka muthafukas did when they got hold of dem antifas? Dat was like some sheeit at the end of “Braveheart,” yo! Dem muthafukas is crazy!”

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

White liberals are basically members of a cult. The more obvious it becomes that their beliefs are false and even harmful to themselves, the more fervently they believe.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

The thing I notice with leftie people I am acquainted with – is that they seem to think that they are all more “moral” than the rest of us – and they’ve fully embedded the “no more Nazis!!” thing into the world view and psyche. The trick is to short circuit that somehow and insert a bug into their system they can’t process. Since the whole Nazi thing seems to really drive them in a lot of ways – I use that as a go-to. Let’s say you’re in a conversation with a leftie. And you bring up all the… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
23 days ago

The Conservative Inc. strategy of bringing in minority voters is in a tough spot right now. While blacks have declared war on Whites (see what I did there?…heh-heh) the delusional GOP cucks can’t risk losing those black and brown voters.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Wolf Barney
23 days ago

Just about anyone above a middling I.Q. could see ten years ago that the GOP just needed to embrace being the White Party to win electoral success. Even with he changing demographics a solid 70% white vote would be very difficult to overcome.
Instead they are paying consultants half a million a year to figure out how to keep their base votes while throwing them under the bus for minorities that have never voted for them.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Chet Rollins
23 days ago

One of the things that redpilled me to the treasonous conservative, inc. was just this: the repeated hammering on the “natural conservativism” of the Real Americans that was perpetually about to hatch – while completely ignoring the millions of actual conservative white Americans. All those anchor babies sprouting in the magic Reagan compost with their Big R card in hand are just waiting to vote for American Values. Any day now… Many of that C class actually demonstrate to their own white children their logic that the only way to return to 85% white 1985 America is to become 45%… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Wolf Barney
23 days ago

What I’m seeing on the ground is that blacks, normal blacks, are being especially kind and engaging with normal whites like me, assuming I’m normal and I pretty much am. I don’t even know if it’s deliberate or conscious but seems like they want to huddle around us Edit Let me add something. I think there is something of “I’m not one of them” in these blacks meaning I’m not a BLM extremist Please, don’t associate me with them. I’m your friend there is more to it. I could probably spend all day getting at all the nuances of feeling.… Read more »

nick110
nick110
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

I see some movement of older black males to Trump. They don’t like Trump, but they like the black harpy types less.
If Trump hold the black vote to under 90 percent, he probably wins.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

Well they are probably the smarter ones that understand without us they have Africa or worse…

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

Falcone,

Weird. I’ve noticed the same thing. Unusual friendliness and kindness. Maybe you are on to something.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Penitent Man
23 days ago

I was in Europe in September/October 2001. Similar vibe. The usual euro-superiority hostility was tempered, replaced with a greater effort to bond – and even genuine sympathy applied to routine interactions. I’m sure it had nothing to do with 90% of tourism evaporating in a day. Anyhow, interesting that the talented tenth recognize the risk of upending the white apple cart while the goodwhite children demand it all be crushed and made into vinegar.

europaen
europaen
Reply to  Screwtape
23 days ago

The average European doesn’t care about US tourism.

If only the Europeans were as humble as Americans.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  europaen
23 days ago

Funny! Well I only met exceptional europeans so I don’t have an anecdote as to what the average European cared about. I do know many average Europeans over here, however, who are quite open about orange man bad, glories of globalism, citizens of the world unite, racist white male boogymen, and refugees welcome! All while making money and enjoying the spoils of this great land – and not, as it happens, protecting their own land from invasion and decay. If only indeed.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Penitent Man
23 days ago

Reading Screwtape below, and noting your similar experiences, do you think this kindness has something to do with the fact that everything has become somewhat desolate? this kindness is taking place when there aren’t a lot of people out. Then in Europe at that time, tourism plummeted, streets weren’t packed, and people started being kind again. I wonder if that is the primary factor? Maybe aversion to BLM or sympathy for Americans whose country was just bombed are tangential? A people who for years have been packed in like sardines all of a sudden are free and kindness flowers. Whatever… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

Many of us have occasional pleasant interaction with blacks. However, do you think that these blacks believe that the police oppress young black men? Do you think think these blacks will vote for reparations? Do you think that they believe that statues of slave owners have no place in public? Do you think that they rejoiced when OJ was acquitted?

Even most white-presenting blacks feel a deeper loyalty to their feral racial kin than they do to white civilization.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  LineInTheSand
23 days ago

LineInTheSand: This X1000. Why does it seem everyone is always looking for excuses for this black or that brown or the other whatever? So a few are attempting to project their purported assimilation to White norms for the moment . . . and? How does this impact or change any of the eternal truths you just named? I guess I’m just the eternal outlier – I trust them even less when they’re pretending to be amicable.

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  3g4me
23 days ago

My Dad is a veteran, ex-cop, and a boomer-con. He’s started the “if Blacks want a race [fed post] [fed post]”. Nick Cannon and the Nation of Islam really set him off. This is a guy that talks with pride about how he fought the Klan and learned all the ADL and SPLC talking points. He’s a man of contradictions. I’m talking him off the race war stuff. When red pilling normies there is a constant danger of spiralling. They burn through that red pill quick and overdose into a weird, glow in the dark, place. Then they see they… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  LineInTheSand
23 days ago

Dont get me wrong. We are different tribes. We cannot live together peacefully in anything other than small numbers and interactions. However, I do find it interesting that I wasn’t the only one experiencing this. I dont know if it is a latent fear, a “talented tenth” figuring things out, naturally nice black folks trying to be extra nice… it is unusual though.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Penitent Man
23 days ago

From our conversations, I know that you experience multiracialism much more often than I do. I don’t want my theorizing to ignore your lived experience.

I just observe that once the non-white population of a place exceeds a certain threshold then the call of the blood starts to dominate.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  LineInTheSand
22 days ago

Line, Thank you for the clarification, Sir. Long ramble below so don’t read if you don’t care to, I won’t mind… You are correct on critical mass of race analysis. It is my primary argument when dealing with my friends, kin and associates in the South. They have come to know me as the “Redneck from California” though I fancy myself the Smouldering Prophet from the Ruined Garden.” Yes, I even picture myself in soot-blackened pilgrim’s robe waving a scarred finger back in a westerly direction as i sermonize about the ruins behind me and predict the doom-a-comin! 🙂 Seriously… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  LineInTheSand
22 days ago

I don’t know

But I do know that for whatever reason that in the past 5 days, not past 10 or 20 years, that blacks are showing an attitude I have NEVER seen in them.

Take it for what it’s worth

b123
b123
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

I noticed this from some too. A black guy started chatting me up in line. Some are being extra polite with cashiers, etc.

Most likely the smarter blacks are terrified about a white male backlash. In Toronto blacks are now mistreated, and discriminated against by Asians and Indians regularly. Whites are their last “allies”.

Either way, they have their own team and I have mine. No hard feelings and I hope that the sensible blacks can win out.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  b123
23 days ago

I think the terror of the smarter blacks is that they understand that they are simply a pawn in a larger Leftie game that will crush them. They have been used as pawns all their lives, much more so than most of us have been, and they can easily see the score. What is happening is that the likes of us are a lesser threat now, a lesser evil, in a matrix of threats and evils. Civil society has been mostly civil to them, too. They understand their own vulnerability in an uncivil society. That black lady in NYC who… Read more »

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Dutch
23 days ago

smart blacks feel excluded by majority of blacks, they’re the only blacks I feel sorry for cause they don’t have a group of their own.
Mulattoes on the other hand are privileged asf, they’re among the biggest pieces of shit out there. They’re like white liberal extremists, but with african blood in them, which means they are more volatile, also their entitlement has no limits.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

Hm. I haven’t picked up on that at all, although the black population where I live is only about 9%.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

I haven’t noticed that, but I’m thinking the “talented tenth” blacks know blacks better than anyone, and don’t exactly cherish the thought of America becoming Haiti.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Wolf Barney
23 days ago

Smart blacks, like smart hispanics, know the best possible outcome at this point is voluntary communities – a mix of nearly pure ethnic enclaves, nearly complete diverse ethnic enclaves, and anything in between – each left to their own devices. A necessary, but not sufficient step to that is balkanization, something the left will not allow.

A less desirable outcome, and I fear a much easier one to achieve, is a totalitarian leftist state.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

Smart people of all races and ages are figuring out that TPTB are out to get everyone. The threat from the other side is institutional and existential, and the threat from the likes of us…is…an unpleasant conversation. Some of the older black men are hedging their bets all around, and taking to heart the “treat others as you want to be treated”. Situational allies. Older black men have seen a lot, and I suspect their BS detectors are finely tuned. They are sort of like us, they can’t really depend on large segments of their own any more, and don’t… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Dutch
22 days ago

Good Dutch, nice analysis. Helps clarify for me that which I’ve been observing.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

Interesting. I am curious how hispanics will react to all this BLM crap. No love lost between browns and blacks, and BLM is a bit of a finger in the eye to them. And if a black VP is picked, that has to stick in the craw of at least a few (if hispanics are the largest minority, much larger than blacks, why all the catering to blacks?). I don’t see many going for Trump, but I could see a few saying why tf bother? I wonder if “Hispanic Lives Matter” signs get torn down if placed next to BLM… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  c matt
22 days ago

C Matt, can’t speak to how hispanics are viewing the BLM thing en masse. Anecdotally, I work with a number of hispanic men, good men, and they are non plussed that their kids are coming home from college spouting anti-American rhetoric. They remember the Old Country(ies) and are ashamed and irritated by the rantings of their kids.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

Falcone, never turn your back on a black.

Of course the better sort want to simper and posture that they’re not like the looters. I’d like to believe them, I really would, but this time I’m not going to.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Tom K
22 days ago

I hear ya

I never trusted them, more that I was surprised to find them being nice given the promotion was that BLM represented all blacks and all blacks were super duper pissed. And maybe they see that we are just niggers now too and not this special breed with some magical privileges. We were promised our variation of 40 acres and a mule and got shafted as well.

ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

I spend a substantial amount of time around Black people also. I see the same phenomenon, but I attribute a different reason for it. I’m thinking the reason is more that normal Blacks see they have essentially won, but being normal, and not feeling there is an actual race war being fought, are satisfied that they are now being given the respect they are due. Also, they do not see White people as any kind of threat anymore, so they can afford to be somewhat magnanimous with us. No hard evidence, just my gut feeling based on 50 years of… Read more »

Distant Foe
Distant Foe
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

I’ve noticed this too. Multiple times over the past two months random black employees in supermarkets and departments stores have walked up to me and asked me if there is anything they can help me with or tell me to have a nice day or welcome me into the store. I’ve been taken aback by this, even stunned into silence, repeatedly because having lived in multicultural areas all my life it’s just a given that members of other races stick to their own, even within public spaces unless interaction is required (at the cash register)*. Rare exceptions are bold white… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Distant Foe
22 days ago

Yes, I have seen this countless times in London and other large cities – most alarmingly, in smaller French towns. Seems that the only problem most groups have with an Apartheid system is when it is being forced on them… Otherwise, they’re good to go.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

Well if that is happening – maybe that’s the opening to have a frank conversation with some of them. Because they need to be told that the whole BLM mess – is THEIRS to clean up. Clustering around white people and being “nice” – isn’t going to fix a damn thing. I’ve said this before but it bears repeating: White people are riven with all sorts of social and political divisions. All you have to do is open up a history book to see that white people don’t simply congregate with each other purely based on “whiteness”. But black people… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
23 days ago

Curtis Yavrin (Moldbug) ran a good piece discussing how while most revolutionaries aim for this:

  1. Overthrow the people in the old system
  2. Install your people using the old system

Lenin understood that true revolution looks like this:

  1. Overthrow the people in the old system
  2. Completely eradicate the old system and replace it with something completely different.

The “right” hasn’t even committed to the first scenario. The “left” is all in on the second scenario. Which is terrifying.

Falcone
Falcone
23 days ago

Strong Fin de siecle vibe I’m starting to feel

3g4me
3g4me
23 days ago

I know I read (and in the past repeated) that Williamson was a mulatto. Lie or truth? It doesn’t change a whole lot either way – he’s still a mouse of a man, but his gut-level resentment of the White working class would be a bit more predictable if he is mixed race. If he’s merely another virtue-signaling white apologist, he’s not even worth the rope – just stop feeding him.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
23 days ago

What’s funny is that even his hatreds are passé.

who today hates white guys who work in the trades?

what person alive even gives them a moment’s thought? Other then when you need them for a job

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

who today hates white guys who work in the trades?

Everybody with a non-STEM four-year degree or pursuing one. This question can’t be serious.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Forever Templar
22 days ago

Must be regional then

White guys in the trades out by me are almost celebrated lately. The attitude is “THANK GOD you guys are still around. I need something done right. Thought you all moved to Idaho”

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
23 days ago

Speaking of Glen Beck, I recently listened to him for the first time in years during a long road trip. He seems genuinely confused as to what is unfolding. He offered quips and pointed out contradictions, but the larger picture seemed beyond his grasp. The guy has all the deceptive personality traits associated with a recovering addict, but there was little doubt he was sincerely vexed. Your reference to a cargo cult is accurate and this is the stage where they find out the planes have stopped flying overhead even while they pray to them all the harder. Conservatism, Inc.,… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Jack Dobson
23 days ago

You really think the LIb elites expected bad whites to take to the streets against Antifa and BLM?

if they did…. hmmm. Then they seriously have no clue and even they seemed lost in a time warp. Brings back to mind the thing about neither side understanding the other in the French rev.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

I have no idea. They didn’t expect the GoodWhites to transition to BadWhites, though.

Meant to mention it earlier, Z: “85’ers” is truly inspired. Is that original? It seems it and props.

b123
b123
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

Yes, I have no idea what’s going on, who’s intentions are what. I don’t think too much about it – “they hate us and want us dead” explains things pretty well.

I do know that this recent round of rioting pissed off Boomers and conservative whites more than usual – more than I expected to see.

As others have pointed out as well, there appears to be a changing energy from whites. What this means, I don’t know. But it is something.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

Yes. Where are the riots actually going down? Minneapolis, Chicongo, Portland, Oakland, Austin – blue bastions just like Cville. [Insert Adm. Akbar reference] They were praying to Moloch that Patriot Prayer or somesuch would show up to take their beatings and get arrested by the democrat Assault Guards (gee, anyone notice yet that cops in big cities are our enemies?!), they could point and shriek about nazis, and the normie YTs would swing Biden/left.
The only way to win that game is to not play. Stop putting on the costume the left wants you to wear.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Jack Dobson
23 days ago

Glenn Beck, like most other constitutional conservatives, is desperately waiting for his beloved non-whites to fall in love with the Constitution, the Founders, and capitalism.

He refuses to understand why this love will always be unrequited. It is psychologically impossible for most non-whites to love these things.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  LineInTheSand
23 days ago

Muh Constitution is the Nice Guy. Dinner and a movie. Flowers. Mr. fixit. Just a few more favors… And like the nice guy, when the black robes turn his niceness into ‘Bake My F’ing Rainbow Cake’ as he watches his beloved pocs get plowed by the badboy rockband dems for the price of an appletini, he will rationalize the solution as: moar niceness required!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
23 days ago

According to a well publicized poll only 31% of blacks view the Founders has heroes. That’s a pretty low number, but frankly, I’m surprised it’s even that high.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  LineInTheSand
22 days ago

I think that is the Christian idea of universalism that stands in their way of seeing reality

They are stuck on “We are all God’s children” and take that to mean that we are all spiritually the same and have the same desires.

Getting them to question that premise is never going to be easy. Because that is their understanding of Christianity’s essence, and for it not to be sure means Christianity isn’t true

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  LineInTheSand
22 days ago

As stated above : he’s even worse than that.

I wouldn’t even call Beck a “constitutional conservative” – because when the litmus test on that one was run (Ron Paul candidacy) – Beck tried to bury the effort whenever it looked like Paul might be making progress.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Jack Dobson
23 days ago

+1 for “burn it down.”

On Beck, he’s a good example of what 12-steppers refer to as a “dry drunk.” He still has the mindset of a boozer, he’s just not (allegedly) still on the sauce. His hokey televangelistic spirituality is another 12-step tell. He’s 1/2 Elmer Gantry, 1/2 true believer in his own bullshit. It’s pretty common to see grifters like him who get high on their own supply.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Exile
23 days ago

The most hilarious aspect of Beck is his verbal hosannas to George Washington and his gun collection. Here’s a thought experiment: visualize Beck defending his family let alone shivering at Valley Forge. For that matter, visualize the same for almost the entirety of Conservatism, Inc. During the aforementioned multi-hour drive, Beck made considerably fewer references to Washington than he did years ago, and this is while the Founder’s monuments are being toppled and defaced. Maybe it was a one-off but who would be shocked if Beck evolved and decided maybe these dead White men were indeed evil? In addition to… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jack Dobson
23 days ago

Don’t forget Beck’s Mormonism as part of his thinking re race. They’re all prostrating themselves before the POCs because they didn’t welcome them with open arms in the past.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  3g4me
23 days ago

Yes. Mormons were enthusiastic slave owners and until their leader in the 1978 had a “revelation,” they were race realists and acknowledged black deficiencies.
I think this Mormon Guilt Complex manifests more in Romney than Beck, but no doubt it plays a role.

WJ0216
WJ0216
Reply to  Jack Dobson
22 days ago

Beck talking of Andrew Jackson will leave you no doubt that he will at some point in hating all of the original white guys. He and that idiot chick Dana something who has her own show, are Jackson haters. Just absurd.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  WJ0216
22 days ago

I assume you mean Dana Loesch — one of the most obnoxious 2A manjaw-thots out there.

I cannot count how many times I’ve seen TruCon reply guys telling critics “yeah, well she could kick ur ass.” Does anything scream “cuck” louder?

FWIW, a few years back she and her husband were catching Hell for being tax cheats and general grifters from one of the other “personalities” adjacent to the Tea Boomers.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Exile
23 days ago

I’d like to get drunk with Beck and hear him explain why he was fired from Fox.

I expect it would be something like that hostage video that Gavin McGinnis made when he was in Israel.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Jack Dobson
22 days ago

Glen Beck is a twat. Way back when Ron Paul was running for President he played this game where as soon as Paul had good poll numbers – he would be all over his ass. When Paul’s funding looked like it was drying up and/or his polls didn’t look so good – he would extol Paul’s virtues. It was plainly obvious he was playing a game. Before that – I used to pay attention to Beck. Since then – and I’ve seen Beck play this game since then on other issues – I just tell everybody he’s a complete twat.… Read more »

TomA
TomA
23 days ago

The only value in noting the existence of cucks is that it reveals a stark symptom of our decline as a species. In a prior age, worthless humans tended to die off quickly because our environment demanded better of us in order to survive. Only in the present era of extreme affluence can the deadweight of social parasitism remain ever-present. And none of this is an accident. The elites want this disease to continue to fester. How sick is that?

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
23 days ago

Trump is a one-off anomaly, a one-in-a million event. And when he’s gone—almost certainly next January 20—the Repubs as a presidential party will be finished. They’ll almost certainly hang around for a few more cycles—until the money runs out—but they will never win another election. (It’s the demographics.) If elections continue to be held, something will arise to replace them. If not, all political disputes will be settled in camera by the Politburo. Whatever eventually emerges, the Repubs will not be part of it.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  MBlanc46
23 days ago

The national GOP will become the California GOP, i.e. pointless.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  MBlanc46
23 days ago

Prior to Trump the Republican Party was finished. Whether this January or 2025, the GOP dies as soon as he is gone. My struggle is what would accelerate the situation more: a Trump loss or re-election? While the odds are Trump loses, the main concern is the Left consolidates power and returns to a slow boil if Biden wins. If Trump is re-elected, the viciousness will continue and repel normies.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  MBlanc46
22 days ago

I thought we’d never see another white male prez after BO was reelected…

Distant Foe
Distant Foe
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

You won’t after Joe Biden dies in office from dementia or Covid-19. All future elections will be coronations for the democrat party. The president will be selected by corrupt party bosses during the primary season every decade or so. Does that process resemble a certain other nation?

Distant Foe
Distant Foe
Reply to  MBlanc46
22 days ago

The United States will come to resemble China (but worse): a one party dictatorship held together by a venal professional class which moves in between the government and private industry, which will be essentially state enterprises run by and for the party (see corporate America’s coordinated banning of government critics from social media or their uniform, coordinated endorsement of BLM); the media will be controlled by the government, which will be synonymous with the democrat party (see MSNBC currently); but there will be token — non-threatening — resistance allowed to legitimize the system as “free” (China permits religion, but with… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
23 days ago

This is what happens to a political movement that, on social issues, is entirely defensive posturing. Every defeat moves the posturing leftward and every victory is just a lack of moving leftward. A fine example is the courts. Activist left wing judges constantly overturn previous court rulings with abandon and “right wing” judges uphold the new rulings using the concept of Stare Decisis. The Civil Rights Act of 1965 was a rerun of a 70 or 80 year old law (at the time) that was passed making it illegal for businesses to discriminate on account of race. The SCOTUS overturned… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
23 days ago

Boy, French manages to start virtue-signaling hard right out of the gate with that PoS column:

There are two things that I believe to be true. First, that America has a long history of brutal and shameful mistreatment of racial minorities — with black Americans its chief victims.\

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

Someday, he believes, his daughter will read his collected works and beam with pride at how daddy really loves the pickaninnies like her. He needn’t concern himself with that. For too many reasons to list here, she’ll never bother.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  KGB
23 days ago

In her memoirs: “Sending Daddy to the extermination camp was the hardest thing I ever had to do. But he was part of the problem.”

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

Vizzini – Well done. Got me to smile this morning.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  KGB
23 days ago

She will likely hate him and probably already does, just like mulattos hate their white parent.
EVERYONE can see through his act, probably his daughter most of all. Nobody does this, except the white parents of mulattos and the weirdos adopting African children. She probably already recognizes she is being used. I actually feel very sorry for this kid.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  tarstarkas
22 days ago

Add C. Theron to that list. Wasn’t enough to adopt a POC; had to dress the lad in dresses.

Yikes. It’s then end of Western Civ.

Distant Foe
Distant Foe
Reply to  KGB
22 days ago

Many non-white kids raised by Whites grow up resentful. See Barack Obama’s autobiography Dreams of My Father. Throughout the text he insults his White mother, although indirectly, while showing practically no appreciation for the sacrifices his White grandparents made in raising him (black father nowhere to be found). Young Obama grew up alienated, not feeling black enough, so he’d come home to his White grandparents and go to his room to read books written by Malcolm X. I’ve seen the same phenomenon in many Asian kids, especially males, adopted by White parents. They end up with an imposter syndrome and… Read more »

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

Vizzini said: “Boy, French manages to start virtue-signaling hard right out of the gate…”

That’s just in case he accidently says something impolitic later in the column. He’s making sure his ass is covered.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

It’s time for him to start posting pictures of his pet adopted African.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

He is just employing the typical Conservative Playbook. Step one: accept framing of the left. Step two: blah blah blah. Repeat. When in doubt, apologize.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Screwtape
23 days ago

Yep. They need to be replaced.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

Virtue-signaling and race treason all in one fetid little ball. I hate his type more than words can express.

SixxSigma
SixxSigma
23 days ago

Is anyone else up to snuff on the camouflaged federal agents hauling the Bioleninists off the streets in Portland? Take a peak at r/Politics on Reddit and witness seething like you’ve never seen before. One poster raged about 2A supporters (i.e., conservatives) failing to stand up to these evil kidnapping fascists. A younger me—and perhaps many of you here—might have once responded, “I disagree with your protesting, but I’ll defend to the death your right to do it!” But I’ve since learned that the globohomo left, from corporate CEOs and politicians on private jets to their mutant foot soldiers in… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  SixxSigma
23 days ago

This is war. Absolutely correct, and recent events have helped me to advance this quite frank statement on a handful of centrists with a tacit acceptance on their part – who knows, they may see the light… Still working on them. When I was younger I pretty much thought the same, the whole freedom of speech thing. At some point I suspect we had reached the zenith of both responsible government (as good as it could be) and a responsible citizenry so maybe speech was freer and people were more robust – both physically and mentally. Still, that has gone… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  SixxSigma
23 days ago

A younger me—and perhaps many of you here—might have once responded, “I disagree with your protesting, but I’ll defend to the death your right to do it!” But I’ve since learned… Yep. I encountered a similar thing recently with regard to second amendment rights. A group called Black Guns Matter is painting itself as a pro 2nd amendment group. When the Minneapolis rioters started, the leader of the group went straight up and started training the protestors. The Cuckservatives were falling all over themselves to praise this brave stand for civil rights and the second amendment. I countered that anyone… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

You’re probably right – but……….. you have to also understand that the pro 2nd amendment crowd has been getting hammered on by the anti-gun crowd since before most of us were born. So – their logic is that – at least on that one topic – that anybody willing to carry a gun is their “friend”. I agree with them to a certain extent – because if Antifah and BLM both start carrying guns around (they already are) – well then they’re likely to either be as adamant about protecting that right as the “traditional” pro-2nd crowd has been –… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  SixxSigma
23 days ago

 ” . . . we are at best indifferent and maybe even quietly elated.”

Very, very true. Except we’re not quiet about it in my house (drives the younger son nuts – he hates when we talk politics).

Member
Reply to  SixxSigma
22 days ago

I’ve tried to make the wife understand that this is already a civil war. The other day, she asked me what I thought about the argument that wearing a mask can be thought of as an extension of the principles behind banning indoor smoking. At first I pointed out that there’s a difference in the risks involved but ultimately I just told her right out – it’s a matter of tactics at this point. You refuse the mask to encourage our side and show defiance of theirs. You also want the masked cowards to see how many of us are… Read more »

ssbishop
ssbishop
Member
Reply to  SixxSigma
22 days ago

How about this? We should demand the establishment of ‘a well-regulated’ militia (of race realists) in each state that would operate under defined rules of engagement. They would be required to swear an oath to the Constitution and must wear a bodycam during all operations. Unmarked cars are a red herring bull crap. A lesson needs to be learned so that it is never forgotten. Both violent protestors and any of the (mostly peaceful) thugs wearing helmets should be rounded up, thouroughly Covid-19 tested (with the long nasal swab), thoroughly biometrically categorized and photographed for future reference. Then they should… Read more »

Exile
Exile
23 days ago

Being a modern dissident requires you to deny the legitimacy of corrupt and failed institutions like the U.S. government, both political parties, the judicial system, federal and much of local law enforcement, mainstream media, academia, big business and the hierarchies of every established church, Catholic and Protestant. You have to deconstruct your entire existing worldview and deny almost every cultural legacy that has emerged since WWII, including conventional views of history, heroes, villains, who you are supposed to trust in tough times and what you’re supposed to do to protect yourself and your family. Most of the rogues’ gallery Z… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Exile
23 days ago

It’s tough to acknowledge that something you love is dying. That’s the case with most White Americans. It’s our job to gently show them that it’s already dead and that they need to move on.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

Lots of upvotes. It is very difficult to let go. Even as recently as twenty-five years ago when the handwriting already was on the wall, this was a beautiful country. People are migrating our way and almost never the reverse but we need to acknowledge how painful it is for them.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
23 days ago

Add ten more years to your twenty-five, and, viola, its 1985 when money was for nothing and chicks were free.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

It was a good run but time to move on and start planning for the future I went through total heartbreak at a young age in my first marriage. Had my first kid at 18. Then his mom dumped me after a few years. That was more painful than America telling me I am no longer wanted. I spent years fretting over this demographic shit, gave my heart to this place, and for what? It’s just another corporation that is now restructuring and getting rid of its old employees and bringing in the new batch. And it will blow the… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Exile
23 days ago

People are clinging to the floating wreckage of America. There’s no future in it but they’re afraid to swim for something better.
I think also they don’t see anything around them to swim too and the storms getting worse… We have to be the lighthouse for them and even though it might risk our lives row out to save the ones who are worth it…

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Lineman
22 days ago

People don’t have any real agreement on what is better or how it can be better.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Exile
23 days ago

A good indicator of “letting go” would be a low White turnout this coming November. With so much at stake, not showing up would be a good indicator that Whites no longer see the system as legitimate and workable. This would put the ’85ers back onto the center of the conservative stage to sing their tone deaf tunes…and it would feed into the prejudices of the anti-whites in seeing this as a moral victory. They would then ratchet up their war on Whites believing that the death of Conservative, Inc. had washed away all opposition. As an example in California… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Yves Vannes
22 days ago

I suspect a ton of white WANVOWOOT (we are not voting our way out of this) is coming this fall. I’m one of them. I don’t particularly crave accelerationism, but it is a side effect of figuring out what is most important now, and voting is not part of it. I see voting as a form of denying the reality of the situation we find ourselves in. Just because Trump got elected once and stirred the pot, doesn’t mean he gets elected a second time or accomplishes anything in the next four years. Without the Orange Man as a focus… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Dutch
22 days ago

I don’t think it has to be mutually exclusive. One can vote while not expecting much more than that one side is less harmful than the other. In other countries that got to this point you would usually see each faction operating a political arm and a paramilitary arm. A good example is Sinn Fein and the IRA. SF was the political wing, the IRA, the paramilitary. It was a way to more or less openly acknowledge that liberal democracy was a sham while not breaking cleanly enough from it that the State could anathematize everyone with certains views. It… Read more »

Moss
Member
Reply to  Exile
23 days ago

…clinging to the wreckage… YES. I’m swimming toward better right now and realize I don’t have answers for my kids about what’s coming. They are taking the unknown well and I see now the benefit to instilling core truths (convictions) in them, to give them the power to operate well in the coming years. This is contrasted by my nationalistic childhood. Unlearning (destroying normalcy bias) is important, too. It’s apparent to me now that educating my kids on what not to believe is a critical part of our homeschool. Helping them see clearly (and resist what the World says is… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Exile
22 days ago

Exile, You are describing my journey down this road to a tee, Brother. Initially the slog was tough. My family have always been the American equivalent of the English “stout yeoman.” One of mine was given accolades from Gen. Washington for sneaking messages through enemy British lines in his colonial uniform. We’ve provided fighters for every war this country has had except those wherein we didnt have anyone old enough/too old to go. It’s been hard to divorce “nation” from “my people”. I literally went through all the stages of grief. Then the dawn broke. The nation/country divorced us. Ran… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Exile
22 days ago

Good analogy , but just swimming in the general direction of the island you see off in the distance – might prove out to be an extremely bad decision. That island might be a mirage. In fact I must admit to being surprised at how degraded some of the places I might have previously considered to be “better” than where I am currently in the northeast have become. I could have pulled up roots a few years ago and moved – only to find out I was now living on what was a mirage. Unless you’re a young drifter –… Read more »

WOPR
WOPR
23 days ago

David Harsanyi had an article like that last week. He was going on about how shipping manufacturing to China was simply dandy. He did give lip service to protect critical industries. Otherwise it was a repeat of arguments missing from reality.

Basil Ransom
Basil Ransom
23 days ago

Who was the last Whig? Taylor? Fillmore? Point being, political parties fracture when a new set of pressures are applied upon them for which they are unprepared. Whigs had Northerners, Southerners, Westerners, etc but after 1850 they had no coherent, unified appeal that could cause voter turnout on a national level so they split asunder into a 1/2 dozen different factions, none of which could command a majority. Ending in Civil War, of course. That being said, still can’t shake the feeling that Conservative Inc and the Republican party is living on borrowed time in its present format. People, especially… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Basil Ransom
23 days ago

My sense of things mirrors yours

Change is in the air. I was telling my mom as much last night. As a person who grew up around hurricanes and beaches and storms, it gets me excited. But I can see how “inlanders” like the guys at NRO are totally petrified. They must be lie those tourists from small towns in Ohio who used to come down and soil themselves as that darkness over the horizon comes closer and closer.

ExPraliteMonk
ExPraliteMonk
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

I live in hurricane country and when a big storm approaches you can feel it: everyone gets focussed and alert, and takes steps to protect what they love. Really is amazing to watch. All the silliness in life just falls away.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  ExPraliteMonk
22 days ago

Right now feels a lot like that

ExPraliteMonk
ExPraliteMonk
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

Yup, even passive do-nothing people spring into action when there is no alternative.

Felix Krull
Member
23 days ago

These are highly remunerated house slaves. 

They are prison trusties: in here with the rest of us small people, but afforded privileges as long as they work for the warden.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Felix Krull
23 days ago

Yep. Got their start as high school hall monitors and wrote people up for playing hooky with a little too much enthusiasm

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

The term is “Kapo”.

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
23 days ago

Not all time-warped, Israel First, obtuse, 1985 libertarian, drooling, rotten to the core, cargo cultist, highly remunerated house slaves are like that.

Frip
Member
23 days ago

Z: “Most of the people in Conservative Inc. are there for the money and lifestyle it provides. They like the social aspects and the easy living. If being a Maoist provided the same lifestyle, most would happily quote from Mao. These are highly remunerated house slaves. The monied interests that underwrite these publications are not looking for candor.”

LOL

Some publishing company needs to put together an Anti-Conservative “Reader” or quotes book, taken from the Far Right. There’s been too many great hit-pieces and passages like the one quoted above, to let them all go to waste.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
23 days ago

This realization that our future as white Americans is going to be South African lite pretty soon and South African heavy in a generation is only beginning to sink in among normie conservatives. Right now as I talk to them they just don’t want to think about it or do everything they can to not think about it.
Thus the appeal to the National Review although I think Victor D Hanson is getting more red pilled by the day over there.
He sees it.

ExPraliteMonk
ExPraliteMonk
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
23 days ago

Other than VDH, the National Review fired everyone who had anything interesting to say.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  ExPraliteMonk
23 days ago

And limited the comments.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  ExPraliteMonk
22 days ago

VDH lives around Fresno. He’s perfectly content to have his hacienda amongst a 90% brown population. Like a Bush.

SidVic
SidVic
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
22 days ago

Family farm owned by them for generations.

BTP
Member
23 days ago

Broke: soixante-huitards
Woke: quatre-vingt-cinqards

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
23 days ago

The GOP is a busted brand, it is done after Trump leaves office. Surprised Zman hasn’t done a post on the impending split in both major parties. Political support is really in an unprecedented state of flux.

As an early Trump voter/supporter I couldn’t be more happy with his performance in office. Hard to see how anyone who voted for him in 2016, doesn’t do the same in 2020. Easily see people who voted Hillary in 2016 going for Trump in 2020. Won’t have to wait too long to find out who is right, and who is wrong 🙂

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Karl McHungus
22 days ago

The crux of the matter is that Trump is a person I can relate to

On a purely personal level

I can’t say that about 99% of the politicians in DC.

Vizzini
Vizzini
23 days ago

From Goad, Sunday: For one thing, we’re not sure why Confederate flags were permissible anywhere on US military bases in the first place, seeing as how the USA’s costliest war in terms of lives lost was the one where the USA defeated the Confederacy. It’s sort of like NATO forces allowing Nazi memorabilia—it simply doesn’t make much sense. Hey, Goad, maybe it’s because the lion’s share of the combat-capable troops in the US army come from former confederate states and shitting on what they regard as a mark of pride is pretty counter-productive. The Yankees in the war’s aftermath better… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

It’s sort of like NATO forces allowing Nazi memorabilia—it simply doesn’t make much sense.

Total fail. If Americans fought for anything in WWII, it was the right to collect whatever they goddamned please, up to, and including, shrunken heads.

And maybe I’ve been watching too many movies, but my impression is that Nazi memorabilia were, in fact, very popular with US troops in Europe.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Felix Krull
23 days ago

The nazi knew how to dress. I’d love to have some of those jackets.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  SidVic
23 days ago

That’s because Hugo Boss designed their uniforms.

Not kidding.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  SidVic
23 days ago

The nazi knew how to dress.

Except for Uncle Adolf, he always looked like a bum.

Goering, on the other hand…
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The Blue Max rather completes the ensemble, I find.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Felix Krull
22 days ago

He resembles my dad lol

joggerinthewoodpile
joggerinthewoodpile
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

Reminds me of my dad and uncles, too. These are the kind of men we want around us.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Felix Krull
22 days ago

I thought blue max was the brand of cigarette when i read your comment lol. But yes, it is important to accessorize. First time i have ever used that word.

Carrie
Reply to  Felix Krull
22 days ago

He looks like a different man.
This is before he got old, fat, and overindulgent on his power.
I have never seen this photo of him. Handsome, actually.
i have heard that, about the Hugo Boss-designed uniforms.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Felix Krull
22 days ago

Nazi memorabilia was always very popular

The (((Js))) only made it more exciting with their constant harping on everything Nazi. They turned Nazis into cult heroes.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Felix Krull
22 days ago

My Dad brought home a P38 and an Italian rifle — don’t remember if it was a Carcano. He got rid of it when I was still young.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Felix Krull
22 days ago

If there is admiration among military men – it’s not Nazi , but GERMAN. The military facts are that the Wehrmacht was in many cases a superior and extremely well run military organization. Their methods of organization and fighting strategies are still studied today. The Germans fought and won victories against vastly superior forces (based on numbers). And speaking as somebody who was born in the mid-60s – I can also say that people used to be FAR less hinky about the whole Nazi thing than they are now. As an elementary school kid I started reading books about WW2… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

“and shitting on what they regard as a mark of pride is pretty counter-productive.”

Here at Villa d’Zee we discourage trash-culture lingo du jour such as “shit on”. There are plentiful options. For your consideration: demean, belittle, malign, denounce, smear, deride, shot-down, slam, vilify, bad-mouth, defame, swipe-at, decry, roast, et cetera. Thank you for your understanding.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Frip
23 days ago

Fuck off.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

The US Civil War was Americans v Americans, and afterward there were still a lot of Confederate Americans that had to be integrated. In other words, it was internal.

WWII was the world against Nazi Germany for the most part, and Nazi Germany was conquered from without. NATO is not Germany. To make your analogy more appropriate, it would be like the US allowing California or Texas to fly Mexican flags . . . oh, wait.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

Even Goad now?

He can’t get his mind around the totality of what the Flag meant for southerners. At a minimum, you would think he’d be able to understand that it was something they could rally around and bond with after everything they knew was turned to ash and rubble. One only has to be a human to get that.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

I mean, we can’t write off decades-long comrades like Goad, Brimelow, etc for a bad judgement here and there.

Hey Falcone. I picture us meeting up in some Hollywood bar like we plan to. We’re drinking and getting along great. Then the deeper we get into Dissident politics the more we realize we’re not so alike. We end up arguing. Then actually fighting. Management and bouncers start dragging us out. We instinctively combine forces and beat them down. Then we’re friends again and end the night eating corn dogs at Pink’s.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Frip
22 days ago

You never know lol

But I am not one to ever talk politics. I just can’t get into it. I like shooting the breeze and gazing at girls. Or listening to music and playing the jukebox. Then smoke a bowl and call my cousin to come pick me up then we end up somewhere else lol.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

lol. Don’t smoke much. But I’m down with a bowl now and then.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

The reason it was tolerated was to diminish the after effects of the war and to enforce the idea that we were one people. Its the same reason that Confederates were rarely tried for treason. Not only was in not treason but there was risk of perpetual insurgency. Imagine every Northerner of any import got the Lincoln treatment. And sure the North could try and Sherman’ March the whole of the South. This would have increased the number of insurgents. Its not much fun to be rich and powerful when the war never stopped. The current ban is meant to… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  abprosper
22 days ago

The current ban is meant to say “we are one people regardless of placed of birth” but our leaders having less reasoning power than a twelve year old ended up sending “we hate you and what you stand for” instead thus doing the opposite.

You will never convince me the latter isn’t exactly what they meant all along. I don’t believe they ever intended the former.

Distant Foe
Distant Foe
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

The current ban is meant to say “we are one people regardless of placed of birth”

But we are NOT one people. The US is a collection of warring tribes, all of whom hate each other; it’s just an economy, nothing more. This flag thing is the kind of desperation move a failing empire makes. Truthfully, attacks on “Confederates” are just racist dog whistles against Whites. Biden is now saying he’s going to put up the LGBTQA flag on military bases. Do you need more evidence these bigots are just signalling against you?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Distant Foe
22 days ago

None whatsoever but I’ve long been of the belief that none of the problems the US faces are resolvable by any means other than violence on a massive scale.
At that point one faction will either have total control or the nation will fracture.

Otherwise its just going to slowly fall apart into a Leftists pesthole.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  abprosper
22 days ago

The Civil War death toll was very high compared to other wars that the US has been in. From the interwebs: =============== It remains the deadliest war in American history. From 1861 to 1865, it is estimated that 620,000 to 750,000 soldiers died, along with an undetermined number of civilians. By one estimate, the war claimed the lives of 10 percent of all Northern men 20–45 years old, and 30 percent of all Southern white men aged 18–40. =============== According to some of the hits I found on WW1 – the British death toll there was about 700,000. 1911 British… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Calsdad
22 days ago

You really only need enough production to feed your own people though and 10% losses even with the fairly low efficiency farming techniques of that era produced enough surplus.
I think it was more economics. The Yankees of that period, Damned and otherwise were obsessed with trade and commerce and the sooner a subdued South could be brought back into the fold and any risk of insurgency gone, the faster they could get back to extracting money.

Bilejones
Member
23 days ago
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23 days ago

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eah
eah
23 days ago

Granted, Williamson is not the brightest bulb in the bunch, …
From the Establishment point of view, this is a feature, even a job requirement, rather than a bug.
I personally put Steve Sailer, whose writing and ‘anti-racist citizenism’ is straight out of the early 2000s,and Peter Brimelow, who’s actually suing the NYT for calling him a White Nationalist, in the same (or a similar) category.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  eah
22 days ago

Peter Brimelow, who’s actually suing the NYT for calling him a White Nationalist, in the same (or a similar) category.

Yes, what a scumbag. He could’ve picked a million other things to sue them over, and he chooses that.

Thanks a lot, Mr. Brimelow.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Felix Krull
22 days ago

Their generation just doesn’t get it — the clear majority of them

But my dad’s generation, he is pre-Boomer, they get it loud and clear. Talking to him and his friends (my dad just turned 80, but he is a very young 80) is like talking to my reflection in the mirror

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

My granddad, a Gaullist pied noir, said things that would make Richard Spencer run away, shrieking like a little girl.

One memorable quote: “The only reason I hate Arabs more than Jews is that I know a lot of Arabs, I don’t know any Jews.”

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Felix Krull
22 days ago

My grandparents were the same

I also find it hard to believe that the goodwhites of today never heard this stuff in their own homes. They act like they come from a background where people would NEVER speak like that.

Yeah, sure.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
22 days ago

Your grandfather was lucky.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Liberty Mike
22 days ago

Have you met many Arabs?

Catothewiser
Catothewiser
23 days ago

National Review was a deep-state operation from the start. CIA connected Buckley was propped up and their main target was real conservatives – John Birch Society.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Catothewiser
22 days ago

Agree

ChrisZ
ChrisZ
22 days ago

It needs to be acknowledged the “85ers” is a brilliant coinage—I can‘t believe it’s never come up before now. Good for you, Zman. Commenter BPC notes its origin in the French term meaning “68ers,” to refer to the summer-of-love weirdos who cultivated their fantasy world well into their dotage. Houellebecq draws some wonderfully contemptible characters from that population. To me, 85ers has the same effect of vividly sketching a character type in the sparest of strokes. I would predict that novels would one day be written about the 85ers—if I thought there were going to be any novels at all… Read more »

ChrisZ
ChrisZ
Reply to  ChrisZ
22 days ago

Correction: the witty commenter above I reference is named BTP.

Distant Foe
Distant Foe
Reply to  ChrisZ
22 days ago

Hatey Fivers are really some of the most deluded people you’ll encounter, second only to Me-lenin-als.

Holger
Holger