Left & Right

Like so many words, phrases and labels, the terms Left and Right have been so abused that they no longer have literal meanings. Instead, they are charged with partisan and moral meanings. The obvious example is how Progressives use the term “right-wing” as an epithet, synonymous with evil. Even those who try to use the terms in rational ways struggle with useful definitions. Are libertarians on the Left or the Right? They tend to side with the Left, but they claim to be on the Right.

The origins of the terms are not much help either. We get these labels from the French Revolution. The Right were those who supported the king in the French National Assembly. They sat to the right. Those in opposition to the king sat to the Left. The West no longer has monarchists and America has not had Royalists since the 18th century. Even the monarchist parties in Europe are not in favor of bringing back monarchy in the 18th century sense of it.

Of course, those opponents of the monarchy in 18th century France were not Marxists or Bolsheviks. They were republicans and democrats in the classic sense. We don’t have those anymore either. The modern Left makes lots of noises about democracy, but it is just an ornament. They decorate their language with appeals to democracy and popular governance, but that’s just so they can pretend to be the cutting edge of the general will, the vanguard of the people.

Then you get into the touchy subject of the interwar years. Dumb people say the Nazis were left-wing because they had the word “socialist” in their name, but even dumber people say they are on the right because they were antisemitic. In the context of their historical moment, they were on the Right, as they were nationalists and they existed as an opposition to Bolshevism. Even so, much of their program overlapped with what the Bolsheviks were offering.

Libertarians also present another problem. They like to think of themselves as the fullest expression of classical liberal thinking. They also claim to be the polar opposite of communists and socialist. In theory that is plausible. As a practical matter, they are never in opposition to the Left and usually support their social agenda. The only practical politics we see from libertarians is the undermining of any organized resistance to the Left.

There’s also another problem with placing libertarians on the Right. It is the same problem you see with fascism. They are ideologues. Instead of starting from the reality of the human condition and human organization, and then creating a politics rooted in those realities, they start from the end and work backwards. Libertarians and fascists imagine their ideal society and then assume if it is somehow imposed on society, it will alter the nature of man and human organization.

That gets to the heart of Left and Right. Russell Kirk famously said that conservatism is the lack of ideology. In the context of his time this was a very good definition, but it is not entirely true. Conservatism is a collection of ideas and ideals, but what it lacks is a dogma. Conservatism lacks a set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. Instead, the underlying truths of conservatism lie in the nature of man, which is open to debate and analysis.

This is why modern Progressives have suddenly turned on science, particularly the human sciences. Those people with Darwin fish on their Volvos, now have climate change and diversity stickers on their Audis. They used to wave around their imagined love of science as a gorgon’s head against what they claimed was the superstition of Christianity. Now they wave around the superstitions of multiculturalism to ward off empirical truths about humanity.

This framing of Left and Right as dogma versus pragmatism also helps explain why America is suddenly convulsed by multicultural terrorism. For at least a generation, we have not had a political Right. When Bill Buckley first got started, he and his fellow conservatives were in that classical tradition. Read his early work and feels like it is from another planet. No one in the current conservative ecosystem would dare write such things. Russel Kirk remains a forgotten man.

As Sam Francis predicted, the conservative movement Buckley started was eventually assimilated into the Progressive order. Since the end of the 1980’s, maybe the 1990’s, conservatism has simply been an ornament on the Progressive moral framework, a flashing light to distract the people. America finds itself under assault by drug addicts, lunatics and deviants because the doors to the asylum have been left open for at least a generation now.

Fukuyama famously declared that the end of the Cold War and the triumph of liberal democracy in the West was the end of history. In reality it is was the end of a particular historical epoch. The final vanquishing of a conservative opposition, not the end of the Cold War, was the end of that history. The war between dogmatic idealism and the human condition that started with the Age of Reason came to an end with the triumph of liberal democracy.

This is why we see western societies in a crisis. Those radical elements toppling statues and screaming in people’s faces at restaurants need a leash that can only come from a serious opposition. The radicals won, so there is no opposition, either intellectually or physically. The radicals are now like bees at the end of summer when the queen dies. They are flying around trying to do what they are programmed to do, but just end up living out their time in a trash barrel.

It is also why we see the Left desperately trying to conjure a new Right, a new bogeyman they can attack. By any reasonable assessment, Donald Trump is a political moderate. He is the New York City version of Bill Clinton, which is why he was a big supporter of Bill Clinton. Despite this obvious reality, the Left has painted him as a tyrant. The lack of a genuine Right has reduced them to pretending Trump is Hitler and his supporters and brown shirts.

The question now is what comes next. Most people on this side of the Great Divide want to believe this is the Bolshevik Revolution all over again. The conventional conservative is sure the Left are the real Nazis. Maybe without an opponent, the Left punches themselves out and collapses. Maybe the inanity reaches a point where a genuine conservative response begins to take shape. Alternatively, maybe it is simply the end of Left and Right. The Left won.

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whitney
Member
7 days ago

“They used to wave around their imagined love of science as a gorgon’s head against what they claimed was the superstition of Christianity. Now they wave around the superstitions of multiculturalism to ward off empirical truths about humanity.”

“The radicals are now like bees at the end of summer when the queen dies. They are flying around trying to do what they are programmed to do, but just end up living out their time in a trash barrel.”

You are just dropping gems today! I hope you’re doing a podcast tomorrow because I really miss them

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  whitney
7 days ago

I hope you’re doing a podcast tomorrow because I really miss them.

Without the podcast, it seems like there hasn’t been a Friday in the past couple of weeks.

Teeshawn
Teeshawn
Member
Reply to  Federalist
7 days ago

”….it really is quite remarkable!”

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  whitney
7 days ago

They had better be careful. The scientific method, cause and effect, linear/deductive reasoning and an emphasis on quantitative analysis are signs of “whiteness” according to the National Museum of African American History and Culture. And if having 12 years left to save the planet requires a sense of urgency, adherence to rigid time schedules is also a trademark of “whiteness”.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  skeptic16
7 days ago

Civilization is a sign of whiteness.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  whitney
7 days ago

Problem was, science kept coming up with answers they didn’t like, so having conquered the social “sciences” they are intent on Galileo-ing the hard sciences.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  SamlAdams
7 days ago

“But the Earth does move!” (eppur Si muove). 😉

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
7 days ago

whether the nazis were “left” or “right” is incidental. they were the mirror image of the soviet union. so whatever you call one, call the other by the same name. Zman, I believe you have made a category error in your analysis. you are basing your thesis on what a given group “says”. when you look at what all of these political movement “do”, they are identical. I think it’s more useful to look at how a society is organized, as a way to characterize it. back in 800BC days, you had the “palace economy” model, before that it was… Read more »

brunob
brunob
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

@karl i appreciate you raising this point, as it has seemed true to me since my own red pill days. just last night driving home with my 14 yo son, we were having the conversation where we reviewed corruption in government as those that elevate human law over natural or divine law, and how every time it has been seen in history has resulted in high totalitarian body counts. whether you’re atheist or deist, it seems clear that humans arrogating to themselves the source of the highest law is always a disaster. we ended our conversation by defining the difference… Read more »

UKer
UKer
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

National Socialists as opposed to the International Socialists. Both names contain the word ‘Socialists’, and both liked the idea of socialism under their control.

Trouble is, socialism is always a wildly growing weed that has a pretty flower on top and roots that strangle everything near it.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  UKer
7 days ago

Trouble is, socialism is always a wildly growing weed that has a pretty flower on top and roots that strangle everything near it.
Because they removed Jesus from it.
Filthy scum always said they’ll keep the good parts from christianity but remove the Jesus stuff because it’s superstition, when in fact they’re possessed & Christ’s name triggers their black souls.
Socialism fails because corrupt men are ruling those societies.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  sentry
7 days ago

Actually, even from a strictly secular point of view, the Liberal Left, especially Egalitarianism, has aptly been compared to a religious movement, especially in terms of its dogma demanding unquestioned faith. Unlike all (?) religions, whose tenets are mostly unfalsifable (unprovable), many of Egalitarianism’s (or many other political movement’s) core claims are logical fallacies or demonstrably false (e.g. racial differences are easily shown, lots of data, etc.). There is an air of fundamentalism with the zeal they propound their faiths, as well as attack opponents, and ignore any rational argument or counter-evidence. Their way is right, and shall brook no… Read more »

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  UKer
7 days ago

Spot on Uker. Both Communism & Fascism & Fascism’s derivative National Socialism are rooted in Marxism, the degree of difference being under Communism the State owns the means of production whilst under Fascism/National Socialism the State dictates the means of production while leaving the means of production nominally in private hands. Fascism/National Socialism is slightly to the right of Communism but it’s still anchored on the far Left/authoritarian/totalitarian paradigm. For a wannabe two bit dictator fascism is the safer bet BC it leaves you with someone to point the finger at if/when things go south. Under Communism the people are… Read more »

Exile
Reply to  Boarwild
7 days ago

The socialist element of national socialism in Germany was not simply a “Right-shifted” economic shadow of Communism. That’s a spin you hear from Dinesh D’Souza & Vox Day who cribbed it from Ayn Rand & the Mises libertarians – who also fail to note what Z sorta alludes to below – that German NS like other fascisms was unique to its people time & place – like every other ethnic integralist movement Those interested in a more accurate view should look at integralism, syndicalism, corporatism & third position (3P) politics. Keith Woods’ YouTube & Bitchute is a good place to… Read more »

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SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

This has never been an easily reducible argument. Have noted before that China today looks more like a “National Socialist” model than a communistic one. 1)Race/creed focused (ask the Uighurs) 2) nationalistic–China uber alles 3) Privately owned oligarchs harnessed to government policy 4)totalitarian control of social interactions/mores/privileges. So far the one mistake they have avoided after nasty experiences in Korea and Vietnam is militaristic expansionism. One reason I tend to look more towards commentators like Arendt and classify on a social characteristic spectrum versus an artifice of “Left-Right”

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  SamlAdams
7 days ago

My usual response whenever there is another of the very frequent attempts by conservatives to stir up outrage at whatever China is doing to its own population that day, is that in 100 years, China will still be full of Chinese people, but in 100 years, barring a massive course change, the US will look like Brazil. So, I advise, Americans would be best served forgetting all about the Uighurs, Hong Kong, the Mongolians, the Tibetans or whatever the Chinese big-eyed waif victim of the day is, and tending to their own house. It’s really irrelevant what China is doing… Read more »

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RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

As long as outsourcing to China and China-dependent supply chains exist, we are affected. Have you heard any politicians of either party seriously address these issues? Me neither. They all worship the god of financialization. “Line go up” and they’re happy. (I’ve not gotten over Ted Cruz saying we have to move drug production to Israel or India. Not back here, of course.)

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  RoBG
7 days ago

Read my post. “It’s really irrelevant what China is doing internally, as long as it isn’t hurting the US.”

Outsourcing hurts us. Persecuting Uighurs doesn’t. Yet it seems to me more effort goes into getting people worked up about the Uighurs than about outsourcing.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

Sorry mate, I misread it.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

Well yeah. Virtue signaling is cheap, paying decent wages costs money and our elite can’t have the working classes or these days even the middle doing well as it makes the elite feel vulnerable.

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

Of course, because the US oligarchs know the dimwits the universities produce need something to be upset about but it can’t be something that cuts into their profits. There’s a standard grab bag of “issues” that they will instruct their media goons to pull out at different times to keep the Leftists stampeding off in one direction or another. It doesn’t really matter which way they’re running as long as it isn’t towards them. Are people getting bored with climate change? What about “white supremacy”? We haven’t milked that cow in a long time.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

I always revert to that old saw, “charity begins at home”. Virtue signaling by an entire country is as counter productive and hypocritical as virtue signaling on an individual basis.

David
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

This is true, but for blue pilled white liberals and white women who hate themselves and want their own people to suffer and vanish, its important we point out how messed up other groups are, that we had a good thing going with freedom and individualism. Then we share the race pill: freedom and individualism only work with a high IQ, altruistic society, we cant have that back until we deport the hunter gatherers, and that will require just a wee bit of tyranny.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  SamlAdams
7 days ago

Hm. That description is also a remarkably accurate depiction of current “America.” Sub whites for Uighurs and the Polaroid is coming into focus.

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  SamlAdams
7 days ago

Sam – shows you that Communism & Fascism are two sides of the same coin: China was Communist but were still stuck in the dark ages & in extreme poverty. They decided to “modernize” so they relinquish control of the means of production & encourage investment all the while keeping a tight reign on society @ large.

Exile
Reply to  Boarwild
7 days ago

More Vox Day/D’Souza third-hand pop libertarianism.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  SamlAdams
7 days ago

Based on my boomer education, I basically think of China as what the old Soviet Union was, adding that it became our major trading partner.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

The only people who didn’t like living under the 3rd Reich were the parasites. The happiest and best compensated workers in the world lived there.

Just because the world crushed Hilter’s Germany does not mean they were wrong.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  LineInTheSand
7 days ago

They were wrong in the sense that the highest levels of government were filled with psychopaths. Implementation of many ideals was therefore flawed. But that’s history. The real question today is, how are we (America) any different? And why would we expect a different outcome?

Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  LineInTheSand
7 days ago

Oh, horse. Shit. There wasn’t a single traditional institution they didn’t fuck up. They changed the family to mean “Aryan babies” and encouraged single motherhood on those terms. They demanded complete control over how you raised your children. They reached their mitts into every church Protestant or Catholic and hauled off preachers and monks into concentration camps. They had a weird fascination with the occult and tried to bring back the worship of “the old gods”. They hated the monarchy and the old aristocracy. The venerable German university system was hijacked and degraded, there’s a reason all the tech advances… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Hoyos
7 days ago

You can’t back up even one of those claims. The only people who chafed under the Reich were the chosen or degenerates. Prove me wrong.

Why do you say “Aryan babies” like it’s a bad thing?

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Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  LineInTheSand
7 days ago

Lebensborn: single mothers

Religious persecution: Bonhoeffer, Maximillian Kolbe, the confessing church, the Reich Protestant Church so called

The Occult Connection: so much documentation just google it, Blavatsky, SS rituals replacing christening, marriage, etc.

The whole “blonde beast” thing lead to a serious decline in academic standards. All of these things are known and were known at the time, they didn’t hide them, except a bit with the lebensborn, they were proud of them.

These guys are not what you’re looking for.

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Hoyos
7 days ago

Agree up to everything before “gang of butch homosexuals”.

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Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
6 days ago

Well Roehm and his coterie certainly were. Even had an Ancient Greek warrior kind of justification for it as I recall. That being said, thanks.

Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

Few of these terms, “Nazi”, “Bolshevik”… mean much outside their original context. Part of that context is the political choices actually on offer in different times and places. Americans are used to thinking in very idealistic ways about how they would behave in a given situation but most people in most times and places will look around, see who the “players” are, where they are geographically, what you need to do to be accepted by the others, and then pick a side from that. Are you living in Bavaria in 1929? Fairly religious Catholic? Read about the horrors of the… Read more »

Exile
Reply to  pozymandias
7 days ago

This. Similar to today, there were 2 sides left in Weimar. The Commies, perverts & Jews were one, fascists were the other. The “respectable/institutional” center left and right had both collapsed from their own cowardice, intellectual & moral bankruptcy.

Given those choices, I’m taking the fascist side.

Member
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

You can view that period as basically a long European civil war within and among nations. It was a war that the Right was winning. The Spanish Civil War is almost forgotten but it would be a good model to study for a lot of reasons. In Spain, Germany helped the Francoists and Russia the Communists and Anarchists. Franco and Germany won that round. Germany had the same divisions within itself though and Hitler’s rise to power is basically the story of the German Left, also aided by Soviet Russia, being squashed by Germany’s own Right. The Left though, was… Read more »

jo blo
jo blo
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

I view the nazis as left gangsters, but it’s more of a scalar than a binary view, and it’s multidimensional so the view can change depending on what angle you look from. But I hate having the left tar the right with the Nazi label, that should be opposed – it’s a deadly slander that has horrible effect among the ill-educated, and indoctrinated youths. And letting the talk wander into sub categories of (big govt, fascism, socialism, marxism…) allows the left to bewilder us on terrain they love, while for us it’s like discussing the flavor of shit sandwiches. Nazi… Read more »

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Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
7 days ago

The left won?
Z, this war is over the second that the local gun club shows up to a riot.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

What would they be fighting for? Trying to prove “Demz R Da Real Razzists”? Normie-Cons pretty much believe in all of the left’s social philosophy, they just think that too much socialism is the cause of all of our woes.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
7 days ago

I think some of them might have a passing interest in not letting a mob of noggers burn down their businesses ES. Or maybe they just get fed up with all the bullchit? We will see I suppose. All I can say is that if we let these guys hijack our countries without firing a shot… we deserve what will come of it.

Orange Man Badly
Orange Man Badly
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Mindless violence will get you nowhere. Fantasizing about it is a cope and an excuse for inaction, not action. Peasant revolts always get crushed. Same here.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

I do not advocate mindless violence, nor would anyone else on the Dissident Right. I advocate legal and lawful self defense.

Orange Man Badly
Orange Man Badly
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Isn’t that what Rittenhouse claimed, self-defense? How has that worked out for him? I’ll reiterate: the right fantasizing about violence is just an excuse for doing nothing. No real resitance is coming from these people. It’s all talk. Most conservatives are disorganized and not very intelligent. See those gents who got owned in Portland by antifa as an example. They thought they’d just stroll in flashing their dumb gun stances and “dem liberals” would back down, because as we all know it’s really our side that has all the guns and would easily win a conflict, or so my boomer… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

This is a bit acerbic, but on the money. “From my cold dead hands” is rhetoric. Most who bluster that will hand them over (or their children will after shoving dad in a rest home staffed by third-worlders).

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  BadThinker
7 days ago

You know nothing of the sort.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  BadThinker
7 days ago

Not remotely true, We have had many gun bans, register them or a felony laws passed and no one in the US is compliant to any real degree. 10% is the usual max. Connecticut threatened to go door to door but called it off when they addresses of every supporter were leaked with a clear “bring it” message,. Ultimately guys like you want to strange resiatance in its cradle because rightly you fear the results. Its understandable as the results are nearly too terrible to contemplate but there almost certainly is no voting our way out. The current power base… Read more »

Orange Man Badly
Orange Man Badly
Reply to  abprosper
7 days ago

This comment is the perfect illustration of what I mean by lack of talent. Scrolling through it, I can think of numerous counterexamples to every claim made in the body of the text. It’s mostly a mix of conservative conventional wisdom & bravado without any kind of objective analysis. This is not the kind of person you’d want in command of any conflict, but this kind of post represents pretty much all the right has intellectually. Fundamentally, this is why the left won. They have the support of the cognitive elite, as misguided and foolish as they are, and all… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
6 days ago

The US is not Australia. Compliance was also lower than you might think there. Besides why aren’t YOU out organizing various bands of meat heads for legal protests if you think it is important? Man up or shut up. As for Portland, another difference is that the Right doesn’t care of shit-lib cities burn. We are so divided the response is typically “serves them right for voting in Leftists.” If Super Covid 2021 culled the large cities almost no one on the Right would give a crap and many might cheer. This is a clear sign of division and makes… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

Owned, in Portland? Nonsense.

Orange Man Badly
Orange Man Badly
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 days ago

Yet it happened. How many statues have antifa pulled down and how many have you successfully prevented from destruction? Wikipedia has a list that runs into the hundreds, if iirc.

Here’s Vox Day’s write up of it: https://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/09/reality-check.html

Antifa also successfully shut down their website, lol. We’re not winning any conflicts with that crowd. Remember this when some boomer assures you that their side will win because they “own all the guns” or some other nonsense. The left has the youth, the establishment, the talent, the financing, and the will to use force. Boomers are out gunned and out manned.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
6 days ago

Antifag pulls down statues in urban areas ruled by the AWRs. That is not defeating anybody. OTOH, the Trumpers brazenly rolled through the heart of Antifag territory and Antifag could do nothing to prevent it. What’s more, whenever an Antifag dares physical confrontation with a normal man, he gets his ass kicked. I’ve seen the videos. So cease and desist with your AWR propaganda. It’s not fooling anybody.

brunob
brunob
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

that has been my standard answer whenever this conversation comes up. normies like it.

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

This is still such a rich country! Can you name a single armed resistance, real revolution, without serious material hardship preceding it?

brunob
brunob
Reply to  tonaludatus
7 days ago

battle of athens, tn

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  tonaludatus
7 days ago

There are something like 40 million people facing homelessness to do lockdowns and more than half of all small businesses closed for good.
Its not longer a rich country and if the deep state wins, it will never be again without a rebellion.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

time for you to be weaned, don’t you think?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

Meme? Is that you?

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 days ago

No, I say “EVERY F***ING TIME” more frequently

Dave
Dave
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

If the authorities don’t crack down hard on Antifa/BLM, with thousands dead, maimed, or locked up for decades, there will be two Americas in 2030. One a burned-out urban wasteland, and the other a loose network of communities with spotty cell coverage whose only law is that if you steal, break, burn, or spray-paint anything, you and your belongings will disappear without a trace.

The only ideology Conservatives have today is yesterday’s Liberalism. If they don’t find something better to coalesce around, America will become a localized, tribal society like Pakistan.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
7 days ago

spoken like a true cuck. a chihuahua has bigger balls than you.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

Still not seeing what such a fight would be about. Suppose this mythical gun club showed up and violently put down the BLMfa crowd. I certainly would not cry for that crowd going through the chipper-shredder, but then what spoils would the victors claim? An end to affirmative action? Freedom of association? Immigration repatriation? Institutionalization of trannies? Or, more likely, just more of the same, just maybe not quite as much all at once.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
7 days ago

Well, yeah. But what did the IRA gain from any particular action? Or, for that matter, what did Washington’s army gain from any particular battle? The process of breaking an enemy’s will to fight is done by, well, breaking it. Rittenhouse basically ended the riots in Kenosha. As Z has pointed out, the clumsy bombings on Wall Street by the anarchists basically changed US immigration policy. Of course, neither of these results was the intent of either case – Rittenhouse was simply trying to defend himself and the Italian anarchists hardly cared about immigration. And, of course, idiots mischaracterize their… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  BTP
7 days ago

I’ll admit this after reading a not-very-good piece over at Pj Media about the Civil War. In the book Battlecry Freedom McPherson pointed out that none of the parties at the beginning of the war could admit the war was about slavery, it was all abstract state’s rights ideas and such, but that in the end they had to own up to the fact that, indeed, the war was at it’s root totally about slavery. I could see the same thing happening. Normies say it’s about fighting “communism” or “corrupt oligarchs”, but after a bit of violent death they’ll notice… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
7 days ago

As I hinted above in my “Nazi” post this is what it comes down to. Context is everything. The context here isn’t some decades-long inter- (and intra-)-European civil war. That’s what 1914-1945 really was but people get distracted by the two big wars. Our context is a civil war among whites and Jews with blacks being used as human shields and proxies by the Leftist whites and Jews. As far as “ideology” goes. It’s hard to really characterize the Leftists as communists even though, for tactical reasons, I sometimes do myself. Classical communism really was a working class movement though… Read more »

green pepper
green pepper
Reply to  BTP
7 days ago

Celtic nationalism was absorbed by the Left which is why the British state was ineffective against it because the UK state is run by commies..The new IRA/Sinn Fein believes in a diverse Ireland. They are going to get it. Their violence was performative and ultimately useless because the strategic goals of the IRA were changed. The Op’s point is that it isn’t just the act which makes an effective resistance it’s the political goal. Politics is a game played over the long term, if you don’t have an endpoint in mind and your opponent does you are going to lose.… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
7 days ago

You obviously haven’t been paying attention. The object is white separation from this shambling corpse of a country.

Exile
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

Community is for everyone here – except Karl. Not all of us are going to make it.

Member
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

Oh, I’ll let Karl in. He’s a bit of MAGAtard sometimes but he probably has enough guns and ammo to equip 50 of us.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

And is promptly imprisoned and spends the rest of their lives drinking Prune-o with James Fields

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 days ago

Imprisoned by whom, exactly? I just read on Blab about a noggered Mayor who tried to lay the blame for the NLM chimpouts on the police and the chief. They resigned.

Orange Man Badly
Orange Man Badly
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Imposed by the same establishment that just charged Rittenhouse with murder.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

Rittenhouse is going to walk, and cash in on a plethora of slander and defamation suits against the media and the municipality as well as wrongful arrest. In due time, don’t be surprised to find some of these idiot mayors and snivel servants getting sued for criminal negligence too. You guys are missing the fact that the vast majority of this BS is happening in Leftie’s cities and states. They are literally setting themselves on fire, and making war against their own citizens. “The Left has already won”? Leftie is chitting his pants in fear right now. Sure, they can… Read more »

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Rittenhouse is going to . . . cash in on a plethora of slander and defamation suits against the media and the municipality as well as wrongful arrest. …find some of these idiot mayors and snivel servants getting sued for criminal negligence too.

Your faith in our judicial system is misplaced.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Federalist
7 days ago

It’s the faith that, even in this buggered country, the obvious bloody truth usually wills out.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

the young guys here aren’t fit to tie KR-15’s shoes! talk about a stark contrast.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

The black pill salesmen may be plants. And even if they’re not, they might as well be.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 days ago

This blog attracts Black Pill types. Always has
Don’t listen to them,. Be like Kyle, Serve with courage and initiative.
Ber like the people helping him, be like the people writing terrible songs about Kyle (there are many on YouTube)
Make change by peaceful means
And if all that fails, live for vengance, Make your purpose fill you.
Now for homework.
Pray for peace, get prepped for war spit on the ground, fuck you Black Pillers and go play the Warrior Song or whatever else moves you, Sabaton or Rachael Platten (kidding, mostly)
Now go and be brave.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  abprosper
7 days ago

I understand. To be DR to begin with, you must have swallowed a black pill or two. But there are black pills about the present, and black pills about the future. The former is rational. The latter are pernicious and unnecessary. People who purvey them are the enemy every bit as much as BLM.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 days ago

Just to note, that post really wasn’t for you . I know you have it together as much as anyone can.
This was for the newbies here and the type to fall into despair.
Still I agree with you.
The best advice I can offer is for all of us to do what we can to keep things together but if we can’t try and make it out and have a little fun along the way.

brunob
brunob
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

x1000 any of you guys with boys under 20 have already seen a generation that knows where they stand. 4th turning mapping is that we are looking at the new hero generation. my wife knows that when this really comes to shove, i wlll be joining with my son. until then, i work with worthy kids as much as i can. imho, there is no mission more important right now. the rest will sort itself out in time. just keep MVB’s three nevers in mind. no innocents, no fort sumpters, no departing moral high ground. fail those, and we’ve failed… Read more »

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Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  brunob
7 days ago

BrunoB the best thing you can do for your kids is Build Community and if your area isn’t conducive to that then move to somewhere it is…

brunob
brunob
Reply to  Lineman
7 days ago

i’m the AEX in our local CAP composite squadron, and started a local Trail Life troop with my compatriots and wife. we are arguably behind enemy lines, but i grew up here and am done retreating.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Glenfilthie: so your plan is to wait 200-300 years for the infrastructure decay to overwhelm them and their inability to “build new things?” Doesn’t sound like a viable plan. You will still be waiting for “reality” to catch up to your enemies when they put that Makarov against the back of your head. Any day now, reality will catch up with that 50+ years of MMT too, right? Just another 1/2 century and that “unsustainable debt load” will “catch up” with TPTB???

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

200~300 years? Buddy – their neighborhoods are smouldering rubble piles now. Will you be rushing to build new stores and open up new business in them?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

200 years? SA went into the shithole in 30. OK, so there’s a lot of ruin left. But 50 years after the Left assumes complete control is my bet.

Orpheus13
Orpheus13
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

They control all the industrial centers, all the seaports, all the institutions, all the media. They have all the money, not most of it, all of it. And control all the banks. They already have the active or tacit support of the majority of the population.   They control the military, the nuclear stockpiles, will be joined by most of the officer´s corps and at least half of the rank and file men and women. They will have a navy and an air force, you won´t.   The police will obey them, not you.    They will have international support… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Orpheus13
7 days ago

The Russian Tsarist government held similar prepotency in 1917. And a tiny cadre of Marxist intellectuals, supported by a modest military contingent, took it down in a matter of months. Take your demoralization sermons back to your minders in DC or wherever the hell you reside and tell them they’re not cutting any ice.

Orpheus13
Orpheus13
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 days ago

You are factually wrong. That is not how things unfolded in Russia. Insults won´t change that. Revise your history.   The Reds had access to the main seaport and several minor others, they controlled most of the industrial centers, and the Navy.   The majority of the population was either behind them or neutral, most of the rank and file as well as a good chunk of the officer corps (this fact is generally ignored) joined them.   And the Reds held most of the cities and densely populated areas, the Whites mostly controlled frozen tundra countryside.   It is… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Orpheus13
7 days ago

The Bolsheviks only obtained those assets by physically taking them after they deposed the Tsar, or during the revolutionary moment itself. And do bear in mind that the Bolsheviks were only one, and not the largest, shard of a splintered Leftist movement that included the Mensheviks, Socialist Revolutionaries, Social Democrats, and Kadets among many others. The American right, as of this moment, is far less fractured, and we have tremendous assets in terms of armaments, support within the military and police departments, and total control of rural and mountainous areas. And once the shooting starts, and people are forced to… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Orpheus13
7 days ago

I forgot to add that your belief that our side will be internationally isolated is incorrect. There are many powerful global forces–Russia, China, the Islamic world, among others–who have no love for the United States and would be only too happy to see it collapse. When our side presents a credible threat to the stability of the US, those forces will very quietly provide us with aid and support.

Orpheus13
Orpheus13
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 days ago

Again, you are factually wrong.   By the time the Russian Civil war got going the Bolsheviks had won their struggle against their main opponent in the Communist Party, the Menshevik faction, and had eliminated or expelled everything that didn´t tow the Party line.   They also had already overtaken most of the Socialist-Revolutionaries.   The last leftist faction to fall victim to the Bolshevik´s takeover of the Russian Left were the Social-Democrats just before the beginning of the civil war, during what is called the October Revolution.   Exactly like what you call the Left is doing at this… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Orpheus13
6 days ago

Heh. Buddy, give me a digest of your peroration and perhaps I’ll give it a read. I did read enough, however, to see that your argument proceeds from a flawed premise. You base your arguments for Bolshevik superiority from the onset of the Civil War rather than immediately before and during the revolution itself. Here in the US we are still in the revolutionary moment, not during the phase of widespread civil war so your historical analogy is errant. What it all comes down to is that, in a short span of time, the Bolsheviks, whom nobody outside of their… Read more »

Orpheus13
Orpheus13
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
6 days ago

No worries, I fully understand that you have trouble processing long answers. So here´s a short one:

“Heh. Buddy, give me a digest of your peroration and perhaps I’ll give it a read”

I stopped reading here. As soon as an illiterate grandiloquent midwit drops all pretense of politeness and starts calling you “Buddy” on the Internet you know you have won the intellectual argument.

You weren´t even a mild challenge.

Weakling.

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Exile
Reply to  Orpheus13
7 days ago

Typical Magic Jew black-pilling. Their “control” is already slipping in every metric you mention here.

Orpheus13
Orpheus13
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

Typical Magic Jew black-pilling = seeing the world as it is as opposed to seeing it the way we wish it to be.

Don´t face reality, and you, your people, and your way of life, will be extinct by the end of this century.

Face reality, adapt to it and make realistic plans, and you stand a chance.

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Thanks Brother. Right now here in California its becoming less and less possible to accomplish any tasks requiring complex building or even maintenance. Businesses that ten years ago were great are now hollow cores of what they were and while there are new upstart firms, they are drawing from a shrinking pool of skilled human capital Everyone capable is moving, thinking of moving or gone Galt and its spreading nation wide Part of the freak out the Left is having is they realized that the damage they allowed in their cities won’t be fixed, They are used to unlimited resources… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

how do you even look at yourself in the mirror?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

ignore the chronic masturbator contingent here, Glenn. they aren’t worth your time to rebut their cowardice.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

Some may be craven, but I think most (possibly including our esteemed blog host) – have fallen prey to a very, very successful Leftist psyop. I fallen for it too from time to time.
As the left (or whatever you want to call them) tips over into lunacy…they are alienating the chit out of Normie. As that worsens… Normie starts to notice the wrong things and ask the wrong questions. This is far from over, and Leftie isn’t going to win anything other than the stupid prizes to which he is fully entitled to.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

I tend to agree. Nothing happens until it happens. To this claim, I direct folks to the last great Communist dictator to fall, Nicolae Ceaușescu. His last official public appearance was to give a stem winder to the people assembled in front of the national palace. The crowd was large, 100k+. They were quiet. A few minutes into the speech, they began to boo and jeer. Then move toward the palace entry. Ceaușescu panic and left the balcony. Then fled the palace as the crowd rioted. He was dead four days later as his body guards fled and the regular… Read more »

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Exile
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

How long before you notice that poo-poo pee-pee content really isn’t a thing around here, little guy?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 days ago

cuck cuck cuck where’s my soy milk?!

whitney
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Are you kidding? Kyle Rittenhouse is still sitting in jail. If you try to donate to his legal defense it’ll get shut down. James Fields got 470 years in prison because some cow had a heart attack. When you control all the institutions of power and the bureaucracy you’ve won

Exile
Reply to  whitney
7 days ago

Don’t bury us just yet. “Winning” is a circumstance, not a permanent condition.

jimmy
jimmy
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

For me what has happened is close to the guy warming up his car in the driveway and somebody takes it while he is brushing his teeth. Not real smart but they won without the other side (us) showing up. While not a strategy it seems they are one gender reveal party away from burning their game to the ground. That’s when community and being prepared could come to play. Somebody still has to run the railroad.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  jimmy
7 days ago

Exactly.
Sure, the noggers can burn out the commercial stores and loot and murder.
Can they rebuild the community? Bring in investors? Protect their citizens? Maintain s tax base and budget?
Any ‘victory’ these guys win, will be very short lived.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

GlenFilthie, you are just delusional at this point. The invisible hand ain’t saving no one; its a scam and you still falling for it despite being told – repeatedly here – that it is a scam.
Recap: They don’t want to just take over your society: they want to kill you and destroy your society, then create their society on your former land. Saying they wont be able to maintain traditional American civilization is like saying the White settlers wont be able to keep the Sioux’s teepees and traditional buffalo hunts. That us not their goal.

jimmy
jimmy
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

OK, let’s say you are right, and may very well be right. So these boy’s go full Zimbabwe and that does not look good for us, however, I am not sure they should be investing in 20 year bonds. The full story has not been told (yet).

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

No it isn’t. The “settlers” wanted the land the Sioux dwelled upon, not their “technology”. Everything the White man had wrt maintaining their livelihood was superior to the Sioux. All they need was to rid themselves of the original hunter-gatherer people currently occupying the country. Such is not the case with those trying to dispossess the American White race. Their culture and ability to maintain/advance this country’s technology is inadequate to the task—because they are inherently indequate. As many have pointed to, Brazil/Zimbabwe here we come. Now that doesn’t mean they won’t proceed in their self destructive path, or not… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

You’re comparing whites/Sioux on the one hand, to blacks/whites, on the other. That is a logical train wreck. Blacks are no more capable of defeating whites in any kind of a war than the Choctaw would have been vis-a-vis the British Empire in 1850. To the extent the Hutus assume leadership of the Left–and they’re pretty close to doing so–that movement will collapse into African chaos and dysfunction. You can cower in your Kentucky cave while the rest of us fight your battles for you when the time comes. Hopefully your girlfriend will have the sand to guard your still.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

Actually, if the Left prevails, the average future of the country long term will likely approach to the subsistence levels of the Souix 🙁

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Glen, your questions of the nogger capabilities are what we need to be asking of ourselves. The pushback on the well-armed suburban QRF is a natural response when considering the inability or unwillingness of those same men to take stands in advance of these hypothetical last stands. Evidence of community-building along side the maga poast of 2A patriots is thus far rather lean. And I say that as I exchange these very convos with blue state friends every day who have been good schooling and paying their melanin taxes for decades instead of deciding to have less stuff and to… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Screwtape
7 days ago

I’ve been doing what I can to meet up with the local gun club posse as you call it. They are a mixed bunch and the criticism about inaction is apt. Mostly, their hearts are in the right place though and many are starting to realize that there’s no way back to Bushworld, where you get to watch grainy gun camera videos of anonymous ragheads being vaporized on one channel, flipping back to sportsball on the other, and then taking a sip of your crappy beer and breathing a happy sigh of “Murrica” at the TV. The war is here… Read more »

Orange Man Badly
Orange Man Badly
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

The Soviets won for 80 years. That’s an entire human lifetime. It might as well be permanent for anyone who has to live through it.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

A true conservative’s reward is the success of his posterity.

brunob
brunob
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

the soviets are on the ash heap of history. i read the current insanity as the perps realizing they are on the edge of that same ash heap.
they really do appear to be insanely desperate.

Juri
Juri
Reply to  brunob
7 days ago

Soviets are one step away from repeating 1917 in the US. Like our WW I experienced gun owners, your guys also do not have organization, connections and most important, basic understanding what is going on. Of course local gun club may shoot off some looters but spontaneous resistance is powerless against state sponsored tyranny. Communists have million tricks how do deal with gullible disoriented population. Trump is at the present last hope against full Soviet Revolution.

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  brunob
7 days ago

Unfortunately, insane ideas have a life that can never end despite experience, this includes bolshevism and nazism. Both have been resurrected and kept alive. Bolshevism, the so-far farcical version, biological or otherwise is healthy right here and right now (USA). The nazi apologists, for example, also occasionally pop up in this forum. Short of blowing up the dwelling it is impossible to get rid of blattodae once they infest a house.

brunob
brunob
Reply to  tonaludatus
7 days ago

i appreciate what both of you are saying. i still think that America exists, and that there are many people that get it, or will shortly.
the left is getting sloppy, and there will be crystallizing events aplenty. KR was one of the first on a continuum.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

The Soviet commies where white. Blacks couldn’t successfully run a BBQ rib stand for 80 years.

Exile
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

Only if you are so selfish and short-sighted that you don’t care about your posterity or the future of your people.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  whitney
7 days ago

As our esteemed blog host has pointed out, the left now finds itself hoist on its own petard. If they convict him, the judiciary becomes irrelevant and the gloves come off. If they apply and enforce the law, Kyle is going to walk, and he’s going to clean up on defamation and libel and slander suits against the mass media – the same way those Covington high school kids did.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  whitney
7 days ago

Rittenhouse is also getting pro bono legal defense from one of the best lawyers on the planet. As for Fields, every movement has its martyrs. Hardly means everybody else, or even anywhere close to the majority of us, are due for the same treatment.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 days ago

Good as always. Fields wasn’t really our guy anyway. He was a marginally reformed Tiki Torch Nazi with issues. Doesn’t mean he didn’t get shafted or that we shouldn’t care though. Still shit like that is why you don’t want to play at being Cinnicinatus but to grab the brass ring. Imagine what you can do for your friends or to your enemies when you have power. Our Thing shouldn’t be like most Conservatives that flee from power from laziness and the fear they might use it. We ought to want it bad and to use it and yes occasionally… Read more »

humdeedee
humdeedee
Reply to  whitney
7 days ago

To make a donation for Kyle go to: Fightback Foundation Inc., created by the law firm that is defending Kyle.
https://fightback.law

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Again with the guns. Sounds nice like a Red Dawn moment but totally not stopping the Left’s domination. Hasn’t so far.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  David Wright
7 days ago

“So far”. You would have to actually fire the guns before saying that they don’t work and that we’ve lost.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Yeah, and if the ARVN showed up, stood their ground and used their Black Rifles, there would be two Vietnams. Which way do you think that story ends?

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

The welfare nogger and the Viet Cong are two very, very different animals. You would do well to educate yourself on them before going further with this comparison.

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

The problem is, the local gun club never shows up to the riots. So it’s pretty much a moot point.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
7 days ago

The local gun club would have to get up from the chocolate fountain at Golden Corral first

Exile
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 days ago

There are a lot of younger kids in 2A, don’t go too far with the Boomer meme. And 40% of last year’s gun purchases were for first-timers.

The problems lie with awareness, ideology and organization. There are enough people to make a difference but they’re not sufficiently united yet.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

Rittenhouse would be First and foremost among those who need to push back from the aforementioned chocolate fountain

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 days ago

haha you vile loathsome piece of garbage, like you are some kind of Adonis. guffaw. every word you type reeks of incel jealousy.

Exile
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 days ago

Not one of your better responses, Meme. Back away from the Optics Kool-Aid fountain.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

So wait, Rittenhouse isn’t wearing husky-sized jeans?

As stated last week, I don’t hold him responsible for not having good examples guiding him towards heath & fitness. It’s not his fault that what was available to him was Ben Shapiro, not Bronze Age Pervert.

Still, I thought the Dissident Right was about embracing objective reality?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

It was a typical response for him.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

Yeah, but we all know the keyboard warriors have their $3000 “main battle rifles” (and XXL tiger stripe fatigues), which will only see the light of day when their kids (who live across the country) get the $50 Amazon card for the local pd “buyback.” And that irks me, as it is delusional and detracts from real solutions.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

The solution is never to martyr yourself. How have you contributed to the cause today? You seem to have a distain for “keyboard warriors”, yet you type away on this blog?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

Alright, Dr. Heisenberg. Why don’t you lay the “real solutions” on us? We all can’t wait to see the master plan.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

You are touching upon it. The key is leadership. When such steps up, there will be a lot of equipped folk ready to be led. Some folk seem to think driving to the nearest riot is the thing to do, and failure to do so is a sign of inability. We shall see.

Exile
Reply to  Compsci
7 days ago

We need to stop waiting for leaders and start leading. Waiting for superman is no better than thinking Aragorn’s 2A army is riding to save you. Take control of your own situation. Passivity & praying for institutional rescue are bad priors for the right.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 days ago

you have a fukked up family, don’t you? maybe some fingering by an uncle?

jimmy
jimmy
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 days ago

FOR SALE: Colt M16 A1- never fired only dropped once.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
7 days ago

Correction. They haven’t shown up YET. Scratch that; even that’s not true, really. When that idiot Pennsylvania governor made a gun grab before the Chinkypox outbreak, the 2A guys showed up en masse and dared him to try it. Police departments told him to pound sand. Others deputized their civilian gun owners. If the governor had decided to get stupid about it, the blood would have run and the governor would have been dancing on the end of a rope afterward. The gunnies aren’t going to show up in a shit-lib city and defend moronic lefties from each other… why… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
7 days ago

Wrong. They showed up in Portland, Boise and Weatherford, Texas. And that’s off the top of my head.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 days ago

Kyle was almost in One Ranger, One Riot territory back there in Wisconsin.
Also militia showed up in Klamath and the Kentucky Derby too.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  abprosper
6 days ago

Yes. With a bit of research I’m sure we could multiply dramatically the instances of the Right “showing up.” But, for some reason, certain people prefer to wallow in false defeatism. I do not understand that mentality.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
6 days ago

The absolute avoidance of responsibility to govern much less rule is a huge part of the psyche of the modern right. Some of it is from culture war damage, some from culture war losses , some from Libertarian B.S. and the bulk from a lazy/ laissez-faire attitude to living. The later needs to go if we want an socially conservative culture. There are good odds that your guys will be putting a lot if degenerates behind bars , out to forced labor or making them dance the Tyburn Jig till people get the message. We may as a DR society… Read more »

Exile
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Only if the local gun club numbers in the tens of thousands. At the risk of using the R/L frame, most of the Right has believed for too long that they can sit on their asses and wait for the local 2A’s to rise up and do their winning for them. There is no super-secret gun-club militia of tens of thousands that’s going to rise up to save you. Those of us who actually spend real-world time around real dissidents and 2A’s know how disorganized we are. 95%+ of Whites have yet to put the work in to form these… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

That train hasn’t even left the production floor, much less the station.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  c matt
7 days ago

Eh, some are. Im sure Lineman will show up soon to plug Bitterroot. Im a bit south of that. Others speak to that train’s journey as well. A thousand flowers have been planted, even if they haven’t bloomed yet.

BerndV
Member
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

Flathead county Montana home sales are utterly destroying all historical records. The number of intentional community relocations occuring here is like nothing I’ve ever seen in my twenty plus years living here. I’ve maintained for many years that the inland NW redoubt will be the future homeland for the sane white remnant in FUSA.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Educated.redneck
7 days ago

How far maybe we can meet for coffee sometime…

BerndV
Member
Reply to  Lineman
7 days ago
The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

local gun club shows up to a riot.

The real issue is the local gun club’s response to the badge gang.

BTP
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 days ago

Maybe. I know a guy who just came back from a week of training with his rifle. He said the guys he spent a few days with don’t view themselves as real operators, but are now generally competent with their ARs. Even the older guys would be competent to hold a piece of ground with effective fire and not hit their own team. All of them understood the nuances of their relationship with the police. Fudds are a thing, LARPers are a thing. But guys who understand how forward bounding and close quarters fighting works are also a thing. There… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  BTP
7 days ago

Exactly. First thing: Get into shape. If you have titties, you are worthless. Second thing: Have your own gear. Not just a rifle and ammo. Third thing: Know basics in how to use and maintain your gear.

Do the above and when the time comes you’ll be called upon.

Orange Man Badly
Orange Man Badly
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

I’m so sick of comments like this. These same people just got their asses handed to them and run out of Portland a few days ago by antifa. Just talk. Nothing more. There is no way anyone paying attention over the last six months can say the left hasn’t won in epic fashion — everywhere from politics to culture to the business world. The number of examples is breathtaking. That comment is a standard refrain used by unthinking sheep and cowards who aren’t smart enough or brave enough to actually do anything. They say this as an excuse for their… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

We lost due to lack of talent.

Will, not talent.

Everything flows from that.

This point is spot on.

Orange Man Badly
Orange Man Badly
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 days ago

Lots of peasant revolts had will. They were mostly crushed through history. Talent wins the game. Will just gets you a seat at the table.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

Well to be honest we make fun of the grill and chillers but how much better are we just posting online thinking that is going to win anything…We have had the https://www.upic.works/index.php site posted here a couple times as site to help you move past the just posting online and yet I think only one person has actually signed up past the core group…So are we really that much more enlightened than them I would say no because they at least have ignorance as an excuse which we do not…

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Lineman
7 days ago

I have no idea what the UPIC Works Community Forum is or what it does. The website is completely unilluminating (maybe intentionally?).

Exile
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

Yes. The registration is open/email verification – this is not the members-only site – but the content is dark to those who aren’t registered. Just follow the “register” link. Typical email registration – use your burners. We’re just trying to keep out randos, trolls, spam/bots & other internet street-sh*tters. New signups can comment but can’t post topics until mods approve or you otherwise pass probationary metrics.

Member
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

I registered there about 40 minutes ago but haven’t gotten my verification email yet. I had them resend it just in case but still nothing. Maybe it’s just my protonmail account that’s slow though.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  pozymandias
6 days ago

Check your spam, mine took awhile also…

Member
Reply to  Lineman
6 days ago

Oh, that’s the first place I check. I wonder if I’m being a little clever with my infosec practices too. I’m using Tor through a VPN to do all this so my location might come up as just about anywhere in the world. I seem to get Germany a lot. Maybe the software is freaked out by that and puts me on a shitlist as potential hacker. If I don’t see something today, I’ll try again with my real IP address. Thanks for the heads up Lineman!

BerndV
Member
Reply to  Lineman
7 days ago

Lineman, we should meet someday. You didn’t show at the wrs event.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  BerndV
7 days ago

I was there Brother and didn’t get your info…Pete and TL can verify…

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

you are too ignorant to see what is going on. and too stupid. the left are not winning, they are being routed. just stick to porn and vidgames and forget about the outside world, little eloi boy

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

Give the little Portland event a rest, OK. It was three guys who weren’t looking for trouble in the first place. It’s not emblematic of anything.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

Yea I wish people would research a little more about an event they are using to prove a point…

brunob
brunob
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

I’m so sick of comments like this. These same people just got their asses handed to them and run out of Portland a few days ago by antifa.

these are also the people that came back with a sitrep everyone should read.
people with far more experience than me always say it is won with intel and logistics.
there is no ready without knowing the other side.
read:
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/06/from-a-reader-a-look-at-antifas-field-organization/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=bdd88d67645156767d40077030b0e1dfed76e3fd-1599753530-0-AZXuN1Y8Fq3A-79M-8Ex5Kx7tPUOYzbaoMiWf6EEUQoTO06IlJOmE_JYAKyDAXb55jmP-20nPTUMr5CbNY5jKnN1yxAxzjnGo69JnZ64L7Z30yXF-2fvM_KxL1V_LvxjTgMXpptn5UL9Fi2EDjo5FVzmtTIEq6EHkQbLXz4ytKCHH0UvFBW7Us4J2Q5vg62e2XjNG67MARWk7Pn3JtWtE3kv9APebbRgxLs675G7iw1RPy0d3Hk3uB4jDs4ia9nkr70xK8BSb5UqrmeEh9EwN2E2Z6j9JKO8yDKhNjSaBJgvLBWsswVBolXnnox4q74Y0cmXg_VQosObPIS63MJSfIH4rqWgZDgO-1rE8syX3Veh

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

If you want to choke yourself on black pills, be my guest.
A lot of woke companies are now going broke. In Portland, where the Antifa kids have supposedly won… they now have to worry about things like fire prevention, food distribution, education, and doing the day to day things required to run a city. How do you think that is going to go for them, Sunshine?
The Left is winning battles but they will lose the war. They can do nothing else.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Orange Man Badly
7 days ago

Or, maybe, they have an intuitive grasp of the fact that this path is not a game. You don’t shoot some bad guy and then go home, as if you lived in a western movie. You speak very flippantly about the most grave matters.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

agree completely. once the leash is slipped (so to speak) the result is pre-ordained.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

The local gun club has posters about how the 2nd Amendment was originally intended to keep guns away from blacks and blacks are natural 2nd Amendment supporters. The typical 2nd Amendment conservative is a CivNat who believes all the brown immigrants are going to eagerly embrace freedom, gun ownership and apple pie or some crap. One naive chap tried to explain demographic changes in voting patterns to the brain trust at The Truth About Guns the other day and they laughed at him and compared him to people who believe in lizard-like alien invader conspiracies. They really think it doesn’t… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

Can you really blame them though when the propaganda has been so prevalent since their birth…Its even inside their places of so called truth tellers so how can you get mad at them…I pity them and try to wake them up to their demise without scaring them back into denial…

BTP
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

TTAG is run by one of the usual suspects. The CivNattery of these gun sites is legend.

It is true that there are very many people in the 2A community who are certain the actual jogger was the actual victim of racist Southern Whites and who cannot be convinced otherwise. But that just reduces the number of reliable actors from many millions to fewer millions.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

Well, V, even the lefties are buying guns now. They aren’t buying them to attack gun club stubfarts, they are buying them to use on noggers and Antifa.
I’ll make a bet too – you name the stakes: in the next chimpout, fire a couple rounds. I will bet you that if the street is full of raging baboons, that they will ALL turn and run.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

They aren’t buying them to attack gun club stubfarts, they are buying them to use on noggers and Antifa

There are plenty of lefties buying guns to use against the right.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

Yup that’s what they say, though my suspicion is that’s not who it’s going to get pulled out on.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Vizzini
7 days ago

How did that happen? Around here we have the “rod and gun club” and it’s the most normie thing ever. Everyone wants their kids to be able to fish and shoot.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  RoBG
7 days ago

I’m way past normie. Normies run to civic nationalism. Normies were raised to believe racism is bad.

Everyone around me does fish and shoot, but there’s another few steps most aren’t ready to take. I’m not saying they won’t learn, but they are not there yet.

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

I have heard this at least as many times as that Durham is about to be indicting the real culprits. I am still waiting.

b123
b123
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Lol.

Then the tank club (military) would show up and obliterate the gun club.

They are insane but they control everything. We don’t need tough guy Boomer larping. We need to form our own communities, and opt out of the system.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  b123
7 days ago

I’m curious. If you are too craven to defend this community… how do you propose to defend your new one?
Asking for a friend…

Exile
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

It’s a fine line, contextual. Not every community is worth fighting for. We call this the “stand your ground” (SYG) question.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Z, this war is over the second that the local gun club shows up to a riot.

This is equivalent of a frustrated and angry person screaming “Hold me or I’ll do something terrible.” It’s just empty talk. I heard it million times. The reason why it never happens is because the people making threats like this know that in reality it wouldn’t go the way they imagined.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Hun
7 days ago

Yeah. I guess those “roof top Koreans” were a figment if the imagination.

Valley Lurker
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Do you really believe whites 30 years later would receive a similar response from the local authorities?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

Glen, poor comparison as to the typical retort being made here. I’m pretty sure most folk would have no problem shooting from the rooftop of their home or business in response to “peaceful protesters” with Molotov cocktails. It’s getting geared up and driving to the nearest riot for some action that seems a sub-optimal response for most—especially when it’s a riot in a blue, Leftist enclave.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

The only thing those guys will ever fight over is who loves MLK the most.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

The Left won the Culture War. They will lose the hot war.

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
Reply to  Glenfilthie
7 days ago

I’ve read this nonsense for literally decades. Marxists armed with sticks and stones seized land on CONUS and nobody did a damn thing.

20,000 heavily armed Boomers showed up to protest gun restrictions. They were stopped by a temporary fence and a sign.

The Left won because the Right refused to even show up to fight.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
7 days ago

Yes, the left has won. Virtually every multinational corporation, the institutions, and the sportsball teams are on the BLM train. They see a multiracial future and that’s where they’ve decided to go, without Whitey.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Wolf Barney
7 days ago

Based on the collective national shrug at Netflix’s latest go at full on pro pedo, I’d say the left has the culture captured 100%.

Normalizing pedophilia, for Christ’s sake. That’s a society that is too sick to deserve to survive.

If politics is downstream of culture, I’d say the left has won, and it’s going to be a few grim decades before things turn around.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  ProZNoV
7 days ago

Don’t forget the non-reaction to California SB145 which legalizes the violation of children by sodomites.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 days ago

Had to have a quick look at this one, from the The Act itself: SB 145, Wiener. Sex offenders: registration.Existing law, the Sex Offender Registration Act, requires a person convicted of one of certain crimes, as specified, to register with law enforcement as a sex offender while residing in California or while attending school or working in California, as specified. A willful failure to register, as required by the act, is a misdemeanor or felony, depending on the underlying offense.This bill would exempt from mandatory registration under the act a person convicted of certain offenses involving minors if the person… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 days ago

You must of missed the 12000 showing up at the capital to protest that bill…Have lots of friends which that bill was the tipping point for them to actually wake up to the demonic forces at work…

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Lineman
7 days ago

You must of missed the 12000 showing up at the capital to protest that bill

I did.

Thanks for the positive update on this otherwise gloomy day.

Exile
Reply to  Lineman
7 days ago

The perverts are the biggest Achilles’ Heel Wokeness has. Apart from fellow-traveling degenerates, only the most craven or deluded GoodWhites aren’t repulsed by this stuff.

Their overreach will always provide opportunities. Being organized and ready to seize these moments is how you gain momentum.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  ProZNoV
7 days ago

netflix is dead man walking. their pedo movie is a hail mary pass that will fall short. they lose money every quarter, and always have done.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 days ago

There are a number of extremely large, powerful businesses out there right now that have never turned a profit. Yet their stocks are still valuable. You have to get the idea at some point that turning a profit isn’t the true purpose of those corporations. Then you have to ask yourself, “What is their true purpose?”

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  ProZNoV
7 days ago

The push-back against the filth they are purveying is considerable and Netflix has had to apologize and is still hemorrhaging cash . They have had to cut fees in half to try and keep people from bolting. That said its a French film not American and France has a habit of defending rapists and pedophiles who are “artists” The best thing any of us can do is cut them off , stop watching buy less, do less,work less and stop being a consumer as much as possible. We can’t win doing it but we can inflict damage at little cost… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Wolf Barney
7 days ago

and all those “things” are dying right now. some victory.

NJ Person
NJ Person
Reply to  Wolf Barney
7 days ago

With corporate America, former bastions of conservatism, administering “struggle sessions” to its supine white middle class employees, it certainly has an “end of history” feel. My guess is that underlying all this is an unnatural tension. But the ruling classes with their technological, demographic and institutional strengths have a air of impregnability, at least in the short to intermediate term futures.

Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
7 days ago

Their train isn’t going anywhere without its engine and coal car.

David Wright
Member
7 days ago

So you end it by saying maybe the Left won. Probably so, and we are just living in the aftermath. Covid reaction is just cementing in the demise.

What was it some old conservative said about cultivating our own gardens? Reading Zman’s ideas of how we go forward sounds pretty much the same and I’m in on that. Right now, personally, I’m taking names and kicking asses with family members. It stops where I can have an effect on it.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  David Wright
7 days ago

It stops where I can have an effect on it.

Exactly right. This leftism, wokeness, or whatever you call it, always comes from the top – unless both parents are of that ilk. Family members are where it starts: protect, correct, direct.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  David Wright
7 days ago

Covid reaction is just cementing in the demise.

Watching normie tards discuss Beer flu as if it were real is mind-boggling.

iSteve posted a Beer flu article today and the tards are all over the comments.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  David Wright
7 days ago

Exactly. A friend, recently awakened and now hard charging toward detaching from the succubus, is at a crossroads. Has family in the mountains and a dad in the city. Mountain family uninvited dad to upcoming family events as dad and urban progwife insist upon wearing masks. Mountain family: “your kind is not welcome here.” My friend is emboldened by his relatives taking a stand but also unnerved by having to make his own stand with his dad who is forcing sides to be drawn over his covid faith. My friend s already alienated from many friends over his awakening and… Read more »

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
7 days ago

There’s a library I go to here in the suburbs sometimes. It’s in a normie white neighborhood, so you’ll get bios of Black Historical Figures in the kids’ section but you don’t get men in wigs and cheetah print reading to the tots. Before the BLM paroxysms and the Corona lockdown, it wasn’t unusual to see books by someone like Ta-Nehisi Coates prominently displayed (I even saw one by David French, and struggled not to laugh out loud when I thought of this blog). The first day back from the lockdown I saw Charles Murrays’ “Human Diversity: The Biology of… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Joey Jünger
7 days ago

“Your son and daughter are members of a hated minority in this country.” Effective. Right to the point, immediately giving the target immense concern. I’ll take that one for a test drive in the coming weeks. The first day back from the lockdown I saw Charles Murrays’ “Human Diversity: The Biology of Gender, Race, and Class” in the same spot where the Goodwhite book usually sits. Probably the work of a rogue employee. This reminds me of the time when I, as a young bookseller in a large (but now defunct) bookstore chain, drew large penises in marker pen in… Read more »

Valley Lurker
Reply to  OrangeFrog
7 days ago

Funny, I worked at the large bookseller that still exists and about a month after that same book was released I executed an order to have them all pulled and remaindered out during the peak of its popularity. Probably confused the hell out of some poor sap somewhere along the supply chain.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Valley Lurker
7 days ago

I trust you looked upon your small act of sabotage as gleefully as I did mine?

Valley Lurker
Reply to  OrangeFrog
7 days ago

If I had been as “woke” then as I am now, I would have made sure anything by Jonah Goldberg and any other “conservatives” met the same fate.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Joey Jünger
7 days ago

I have a GoodWhite Christian friend who was hitting me up for money for a non- profit she does virtue work helping the homeless. I offered to help her revise a grant that was rejected until she revealed the reason: they want to see more “equity” in the clientele. I said ‘You realize that means don’t help Whites, right?” That got her attention but when I suggested that maybe when her grandchildren are a hated minority we can start helping each other instead of people who hate/want to replace us. That silenced her. I don’t suspect I’ll be getting that… Read more »

brunob
brunob
Reply to  Peabody
7 days ago

that is stone cold based right there. its also in my repertoire pocket now.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
7 days ago

Four years ago, we were all saying that the Globalist/Nationalist dichotomy would replace the Left/Right dichotomy.

Perhaps it still will.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 days ago

In the short run at least, it’s the only option. But history is not dead and left and right will again emerge.

Exile
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 days ago

Not if we do our jobs properly. It’s a fake dichotomy.

“Right” social policy and “Left” economic policy is the most popular combination in White politics.

That’s why keeping them separated by “Marxist vs. Fascist” kosher-sandwich kabuki has loomed large since at least the American Civil War.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

Funny how we seem to get the exact opposite of “Right social policy/Left economic policy” . . . no matter who is elected.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

IDK, I think there are people and personality traits that are naturally what we think of as broadly left and right. Like the right hand path and the left hand path. The straight and narrow and the wide and crooked. Order and disorder.

Exile
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 days ago

There are pro-social healthy people and anti-social spiteful mutants. In a White society, the rest is down to leadership.

NAXALT, but on the broad average, your society will only turn to chaos if you empower too many mutants.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Exile
6 days ago

Ain’t that the truth. Too many mutants indeed.

Drake
Drake
7 days ago

One reason the libertarians can’t get out of their own way or field sane candidates is they can’t decide if they are Right or Left. Some go with the cultural marxism of the left and try to ignore the loss of economic freedom that entails. Some do the opposite.
Many who dabble in libertarianism see the glaring flaws and back away from the truly stupid ideas.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Drake
7 days ago

Libertarians are the greedy, the corrupt and the utopians. The greedy don’t want to pay taxes, the corrupt don’t want any organization that can enforce rules against them and the utopians think “can’t we all get along?” I almost forgot about the pot smokers.

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  Drake
7 days ago

I think of the libertarians as a political tranny. They started out as a right wing movement, and after a series of reassignment surgeries have emerged as a left wing movement.

Unfortunately, they’ve wound up looking a lot like most of the other casualties of such reassignments.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
7 days ago

Reason went through some serious convulsions about the time Trump came along. Turned out that most of their writers leaned hard left while their readers / commenters went right. They started hurting for money and the Koch’s came through for them with all the usual strings attached. A large chunk of their readers left forever when the pro-Hillary, pro-China stink became too much to bear.
Trump’s magic power is exposing the swamp.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
7 days ago

Very good essay. It about sums up our situation in 2020, we who at least try to understand the human condition in a reasonable way using metaphysics or just logic deduction of the human condition, we, all of us, are wandering around in the wilderness looking for a way out.
Or maybe a better analogy is wandering around in a insane asylum looking for normal people to associate with.

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Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
7 days ago

Or maybe a better analogy is wandering around in a insane asylum looking for normal people to associate with. Yes definitely a better analogy because in the wilderness people tend to band together to get through whatever the wilderness throws at them…In the asylum everyone keeps to themselves because they think they are the only same ones in there while everyday someone new gets dragged away never to be heard from again and so you start looking at what those people did and try not to do anything that was associated with those people… Also you have other inmates trying… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
7 days ago

The Left won. On the large scale, in state and local government and it’s associated bodies, in the media organs as well as many large corporations, this could well be correct. I know of know organization that would openly tolerate even moderate statements like ‘perhaps women shouldn’t be police officers’… even said in a tepid way, you’d get the boot in an instant. But on the small scale, I am not so sure. It is true that leftists infect most areas of life, but a form of conservatism can indeed flourish at the bottom. I suppose, if we’re trying to… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  OrangeFrog
7 days ago

any org that becomes pozzed, dies. it’s a good thing all these archaic and obsolete institutions are becoming infected and expiring; it opens up all kinds of opportunities for fresh growth. even though the young losers here don’t deserve it, there is a golden age starting up that will enrich their lives.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  OrangeFrog
7 days ago

Yes, if they prevail, such a systematically deluded social – political system will probably die of its own contradictions. Imagine them sending a convicted child molester to work at a government-run day care. “But he said he likes working with children!” Yes, things could get that silly. But at some point, even the most pozzed normie would finally see his own particular eiphany.

Brock Nelson
Brock Nelson
7 days ago

Nobody wants to believe this is another Bolshevik Revolution, but essentially that’s what it is. Like you said, there is no opposing force because small hat money bought off the opposition.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Brock Nelson
7 days ago

because russia and the USare so alike. guffaw.

Exile
7 days ago

Left and Right are pseudo-identities, quasi-religious, which are intended to replace actual identity in the same way that Squats, Jeets et al are supposed to replace White citizens. The political labels are almost entirely meaningless. The important thing is that the White majority must be given a synthetic dialectic to fight over so they don’t recognize their common identity and interests. We’ve said this a lot here before – identity starts with biology, then nurture, culture/society and politics – in that order. Our present circumstances should be making it clear to Whites across every fake synthetic category that merely being,… Read more »

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MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

While I agree, there is no question in my mind that there is something biological that distinguishes Badwhites and GoodWhites.

What that is, I don’t know, but like Dark Matter it can’t not be there. The evidence is simply too strong.

Exile
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 days ago

I go back and forth on “pathological altruism” It’s something “sub-Hajnal” Whites seem more resistant to and I doubt anyone would have called pre-20th century Anglos or Nords self-loathing sissies, or even up to WWII. Ice People at worst have a predisposition for empathy and altruism that other races don’t share that makes them less “hardy” in multicultural high-density mixes with more obnoxious out-groups. But I think the pathological levels we see today wouldn’t have been reached without determined, persistent and overbearing (((social engineering))). Our ability to still win any relatively uncensored online debate space shows that if we remove… Read more »

Last edited 7 days ago by Exile
The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

I think it may have to do with the vast numbers of warrior caste Hajnal whites that were wiped out in the wars from the French-Indian War right up through the current Forever Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Exile
7 days ago

Could it be the Ice people had fewer external invasions than others. In fact, they were more often the invaders than the invaded? Therefore seeing foreigners as less of a threat?