The Return Of The King

Something I wanted to talk about in the show, but I got long winded on other stuff, so I had to skip it, is something I talked about with a friend this week. That is, why is it that so many people have gone crazy all at once? There’s always been partisanship and fierce debates between liberals and normal people. People have always had heated debates about current events. Today, we have lots of people who seem to live in an alternative reality from the rest of us.

The issue that my friend and I were discussing is the riots. He had just had an interaction with someone on-line where the person told him the riots were fake news created by conservative news outlets. He pointed out that we have videos of arson and looting, much of it from left-wing sites. He sent him video of Minneapolis as proof that the riot actually happened. The person dismissed it all as a conspiracy theory saying that the protests have been peaceful.

Just as there has always been partisanship, there have always been crazy people who line their clothes with aluminum foil. What’s different now is it feels like we are overwhelmed by them. They work in the media. They work in government. They are in the schools. It is not just left-wing conspiracy stuff. The whole QAnon thing is another example of mass lunacy. It’s like the novella I Am Legend, except instead of turning people into vampires, the virus makes them crazy.

One theory on this is that these sorts of crazy people have always existed, but they existed in isolation. The person prone to Russian conspiracy stuff was not around others that indulged in that stuff. Paranoia and social norms kept these people from meeting in real life. The internet has allowed these people to freely and comfortably network with one another on-line. All of a sudden, this type of person knows lots of people who are prone to their type of madness.

What the internet has done is provide social proof. No matter how your madness plays out, you can find a Facebook group to tell you that you are not only not alone, but you are right. Instead of these people living in isolation, fairly sure they are alone in these thoughts, they now have lots of people who share their madness, giving them the confidence to be public with it. We are now plagued by highly confident, maladapted mutants, to use an Ed Dutton term.

There have been plenty of gags on television where the internet is suddenly shut down and people are forced back to the old ways. People suddenly must talk to one another and use maps. One likely outcome, if we shut down the internet, is the world would suddenly get much calmer and quieter. The plague of maladapted mutants would no longer be plugged into their networks. They would be reduced to shouting their lunacy on street corners wearing sandwich boards.

Human society evolved ways to peacefully manage the lunatics that are a part of every human society. A mild form of shunning, with the occasional witch burning, was enough to keep these people under control. Social shaming of gossipy women, for example, was effective at controlling the Karen problem. We have yet to evolve such mechanisms for doing this on-line. Worse yet, these gossipy women now control the discourse on-line as big tech censors.

The solution to the current unrest may be as simple as banning women from the internet or maybe just social media platforms. For that matter, just turn the who thing off entirely. Would the world really be so bad if you had to order from the Amazon catalog over the phone rather than on-line? is your life going to be worse or better without Twitter and Facebook? If all the internet billionaires were killed tomorrow, is anyone really going to notice or care?

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Contents

  • 00:00: Opening
  • 02:00: Uber And Lyft (Link)
  • 17:00: Will To Failure (Link)
  • 32:00: The Electric Fence (Link) (Link) (Link)
  • 47:00: Russia Update (Link) (Link) (Link)
  • 57:00: Closing

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Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
4 years ago

Stephen King had a story recently about someone who watches the news and notices the same strange man on the scene at every catastrophic event. After some sleuthing, they realize this “person” at every plane crash and car wreck and school shooting is actually some sort of inter-dimensional being that is literally feeding on misery the way a small fish might circle a thermal vent on the seafloor. I think that’s pretty much where most progs are; they’re miserable monsters whose only joy is in seeing the look on normal peoples’ faces when they watch small businesses burn or people… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Joey Jünger
4 years ago

For that matter, just turn the who thing off entirely. Would the world really be so bad if you had to order from the Amazon catalog over the phone rather than on-line? It is the common theme. Just wait to get angry, never take the initiative to learn something new, just watch that TV. Forget the joy of hearing the rain outside, listening to the sound of a beautiful woodland or many other natural joys. Hell, chess is a fine way to spend a day. I don’t wish to speak ill of your father, as I do not know the… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Joey Jünger
4 years ago

Most extremely online people get their “do something” fix by getting outraged and posting comments online. Problem is it’s a pressure valve, and accomplishes very little.
On the corollary, my old man was a political junkie, and he would have to force himself to tune out when he started to get urges to drive over to D.C. and take care of things himself.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Joey Jünger
4 years ago

Interesting premise for a story, and it sounds a bit like that of the Mothman Prophecies, which supposedly has some basis in reality. The idea is that, throughout history, the Mothmen have been seen in areas in which some sort of disaster or tragedy was about to occur. They were harbingers of a sort. What is left unexplained is whether or not the Mothmen are causative agents of catastrophe. If they are, we could certainly think of Leftists as Mothmen.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Joey Jünger
4 years ago

 Accusing someone of having no life is the least mean way to stop this crap.” That’s actually very mean. My dad is old like yours and doing things takes great effort for him. I’m supposed to stick THAT in his face? Seriously, that is awful advice.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
4 years ago

“That is, why is it that so many people have gone crazy all at once? “ Its not the internet. At best that only one of multiple factors converting. 1). The average maturity level of adults has been steadily decreasing for decades. Not sure why, but it’s an inescapable fact of modern life. Every half decade or so a preposterous new low is reached. It wasn’t all that long ago we were all laughing at college safe-spaces equipped with puppies to soothe the feelings of young adults traumatized by Strange new opinions. Then the Covid hysteria made such rooms seam quaint.… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
4 years ago

Stated previously: the Dunbar Number of an individual’s max lifetime social relationships is around 150 people. FB/Social media intentionally explode/exploit that number to millions.

It’s a recipe for stress, depression, and general social angst. The only way to win is not to play.

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CAPT S
CAPT S
4 years ago

“The internet has allowed these people to freely and comfortably network with one another on-line. All of a sudden, this type of person knows lots of people who are prone to their type of madness.” The irony here is that our side – as a distinct minority – has a similar need for networking and camaraderie. Who is now shunned? It’s the sane, objective, rational, independent man. The crazies and maladjusted mutants rule; madness is the majority. Irrationality is the new cool. After a day observing mass-man in my community, sometimes I feel a need to re-read the COVID science,… Read more »

Maus
Maus
Reply to  CAPT S
4 years ago

Amen, brother. I finally realized that the tension between being highly extroverted, which science has shown to be predominately biologically hardwired, and being existentially alone in a crowd, because others are so rarely “interesting and interested” (as a commenter above wisely and succinctly put it), is a source of constant low-level frustration in my life. As the howling desert of insanity expands, we are all made hermits — some of us with reluctance — seeking the few oases of sanity that remain.

Leftist Accelerationism
Leftist Accelerationism
4 years ago

It’s not just the amount of sudden craziness that’s remarkable, but the ever-accelerating pace too. For example, it took the powers 30 years to get conservatives to accept homosexuality. Then only 15 years after that to get them to accept homosexual marriage. Then only 7.5 years after that to get them to accept trannies. We’re now on track for conservatives to accept pedophilia in 3.75 years—of which 1 year of the acceptance process has already elapsed. After that, conservatives will accept either incest or bestiality in less than 2 years, depending on which one the powers decide to mainstream first.… Read more »

Kentucky Headhunter
Kentucky Headhunter
Reply to  Leftist Accelerationism
4 years ago

“Then only 7.5 years after that to get them to accept trannies.”

I haven’t seen any evidence that normies accept trannies at all.

Sammy
Sammy
Reply to  Kentucky Headhunter
4 years ago

Look harder: the refrain “I don’t care what adults do with their own bodies” is already common. Acceptance of adult trannies is complete; acceptance of child trannies is well underway.

tsnamm
tsnamm
Reply to  Sammy
4 years ago

Yup totally… first about “free love”, then people living together outside of marriage, then homosexuals, then homosexual marriage, now transgender, and soon pedophilia… each time the conservatives protested until they accepted, with the goalposts being moved further left each passing year…

Lady MAGA
Lady MAGA
Reply to  Kentucky Headhunter
4 years ago

The MAGA crowd fawns over Lady MAGA just like they fawn over their black friends.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Kentucky Headhunter
4 years ago

Normies’ biggest fear is that some deviant is going to undermine society. To quell that fear, they just need to hear a deviant spout their beliefs. Once that happens, normie begins to think that deviants are just like them except for one minor detail of their personal life, and can thus accept all the other deviants.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Drew
4 years ago

As having been involved in the Boy Scouts and father to an Eagle Scout, I can say the threat is real. Deviants destroyed the BS as per design. We knew it was coming, but could not prevent it. Society is a big thing, it needs to be destroyed one piece at a time.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

Why couldn’t the Boy Scouts prevent that? When the Scouts began accepting heaumeaux and girls, I knew the jig was up for America.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Kentucky Headhunter
4 years ago

I haven’t seen any evidence that normies accept trannies at all.

If you have the stomach, go check out the individual they are positioning as the “female sexpot” in the Saved by the Bell reboot.

They are no Tiffany Amber-Theissen. Hell, they’re not even Elizabeth Banks.

Sandmich
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Not sure who you were referencing, but I went through the IMDB cast and, oof, not a “looker” in the bunch. Seems more like a trip down to the inner city gas station than an idealized high school. (Interesting that Univision shows like that generally find the whitest hotties they can find and cover them with quick tan).
Anyway, yeah, they’ll put a can of poop in front of us and force us to say it’s beautiful so that all the denigrates in society can have a shot at being “successful”.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Leftist Accelerationism
4 years ago

I feel like the Aristocrats joke has become real life. The setup of the joke is a manager describing his act to a talent agent, with one grotesque action after another. When asked what he calls the act, he says, “The Aristocrats.” I have a liberal friend that raves about how funny the video is of various comedians telling their version. I said the only example i found funny, flipped the script of the joke. The manager describes three black women doing various artistic things. When asked what he calls the act, the manger says, “The N*gger Cunts.” My friend,… Read more »

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Kentucky Headhunter
Kentucky Headhunter
4 years ago

“One likely outcome, if we shut down the internet, is the world would suddenly get much calmer and quieter.”

Social media is digital crazy pills for the people on those platforms. Twitter, Facebook, et al, are social cancers.

I have learned a bunch of stuff off of youtube and other sites about auto repair, basic electronics, programming. Stuff I couldn’t possibly have regular, easy access to without the interwebs. We could keep politics off the internet the same way we kept porn off broadcast TV if we wanted to.  

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Kentucky Headhunter
4 years ago

Social media is digital crazy pills for the people on those platforms.

Go have a look at what young women are up to on Instagram.

It’s an endless stream of softcore porn, validated by a global legion of simps.

b123
b123
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Simps get to look but only Chads get to touch.

The revenge porn of thots hitting the wall in 15 years is nice to think of, but at this rate our society will be so fucked up by then that we won’t have much time to dwell on it.

Invest in box wine, antidepressnt and pet food.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Yeah, social media completely degraded female psyche

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

Cause and effect? Psyche indeed screwed up, but which came first. I remember early Feminism and of course, the hippie movement—both far before the internet. I remember pathetic interviews with female flower children and rants about free love. Perhaps not as graphic as shit posted on Instagram, but hookups given as freely as handshakes, or a goodnight kiss were becoming the norm back then too.

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Kentucky Headhunter
4 years ago

I have learned a bunch of stuff off of youtube and other sites about auto repair, basic electronics, programming.

This is one of the best things about the Internet, specifically YouTube, and the more structured, low-cost course sites like edX, Coursera, Udemy, etc.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Loved the anecdote about the 60 hr workweeks vs 40 hr vacation weeks.

I recently found myself in a role that was sold as a normal 40+ hour job.

At my 90 day review, it was revealed I was “struggling with the pace” because I was expected to work a minimum of 60 hours a week.

I walked.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

It’s also the gig economy now. I see it more around me where they call you when they need you and layoff for a week.

It used to be one would display wonder as in, what will they think of next. Then it was a somewhat useful product or service. Now it how they F*** over the working people and make there lives more onerous.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  David Wright
4 years ago

It’s also the gig economy now.

Amen. I’m really starting to believe that my future is going to be a mixture of contract and freelance work.

I spent 18 years beating my head against the corporate wall, refusing to drink the Kool-Aid. I don’t think a return performance makes sense.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Yes, the Russia conspiracy theories are bat guano insane. Some of it is old ethnic rivalries between Jews and Russians; Jews, once perhaps the most successful ethnicity in the United States, have reduced themselves to utter jokes by continuing with their old grievances and becoming more unhinged each day. While Rep. Adam Schiff is a partisan hack and a corrupt liar, by carrying on the Judeo-Bolshevik bitterness on the national stage, he has alerted many fellow Americans to what utterly deranged shipwrecks his once dominant co-ethnics have become. I only can conclude, and this includes a wide range of their… Read more »

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

I agree, jews are bat shit insane, they hate slavs more than they hate germans, makes sense considering jews(khazars) used to sell slavs(slaves) to muslims, it’s their identity.
To be a jew is to hate christians & slavs & to open gates for muslims & other satanic savages to enter white countries.

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tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

Jews are absolutely obsessed with themselves. They think about being Jewish all the time. Everything in the world is seen through that lens.
In my experience, I have spent a lot of time around Jews and blacks. Both are race conscious to such an extent that it would baffle the average white person. They are probably more race conscious on average than even white identitarians or “white nationalists”
They even do it when nobody else is around.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

Obsessed with themselves or obsessed with us?
80% of white dating app users only messaged other white users, and only 3% of all messages from white users went to black users. (Black users, meanwhile, were 10 times more likely than a white person than a white user was to reach out to a black person.)

They(both groups) just won’t leave us alone, they’re parasites.
They hate us, but they won’t let us be either. Why won’t they distance themselves from us?

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Drake
Drake
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

The Fifth Column – hate the Russians for giving up on communism. love the ChiComs and their deep pockets. The continuation of the Russia hate hoax is probably an attempt to prevent Russia and the U.S. from developing a joint approach to containing Chinese aggression.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
4 years ago

If all the internet billionaires were killed tomorrow, is anyone really going to notice or care?

I really like where you’re going with this.

Exile
Exile
4 years ago

Only a strong pro-social government can tame modernity for you, much less make it go away. A society that cared about its citizens would ban Facebook and other social media – particularly for minors – based solely on the statements their own insiders have made about it being a deliberately designed, deployed and monetized Skinner Box – much less the fact they admit they don’t let their own kids use it. But in the end it comes down to your biology and your culture. Still-homogenous nations like Norway & Denmark aren’t being torn apart by Twitter-trends. Russia either. Kids and… Read more »

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Rudi
Rudi
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

“A society that cared about its citizens…” They would have to meet the criteria of being citizens. And be ruled by fellow citizens, and thus neighbor caring about neighbor. None of those parameters are in place. The internet? Please, an 8 year old can find unlimited free porn, since G**gle is the largest distributor of pornography in the history of the world. Said 8 year old cannot find banned speech, banned books, and make his or her own choices. Is there “more” analysis needed where those that create, control and disseminate are ‘coming from’ than that one example? And while… Read more »

b123
b123
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

To be honest, I don’t think the bugman life is *automatically* going to fail. We can live in small apartments and be alright. Not ideal, but we can get by.

What causes bugman to fail is diversity + bugman. Diversity is what causes the whole thing to crash down. It just makes everybody miserable. I live in a very diverse area and the segregation is massive. We might be neighbors but I’m not invited to their brown dinners and nor are they invited to mine.

Diversity will cause this whole thing to crash down, mark my words.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  b123
4 years ago

Diversity will cause this whole thing to crash down, mark my words.
Amen

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Exile
Exile
Reply to  b123
4 years ago

Apartment-living as a single, couple or even “nuclear family” is just barely workable absent diversity. The extended family model is the way to go if at all practical on a long timeline. Three generations on one larger land parcel with a paid-off mortgage instead of three gens, three homes, one underwater, one half-underwater and one reverse-mortgaged to pay for senior night-putting classes in Hawaii & discount statins. Apartment-living as a single, couple or even “nuclear family” is just barely workable absent diversity. The extended family model is the way to go if at all practical on a long timeline. Three… Read more »

Last edited 4 years ago by Exile
tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I never lived in a non-diverse apartment. But in a non-diverse comminity, I would think this would be way better for young people who either don’t have any children yet or have only 1 small child. It’s a lot cheaper than home ownership. Most people aren’t buying homes and then living there for the rest of their lives. If you don’t plan on staying there for the rest of your life, buying a home isn’t even real. Your just renting while getting headaches of home ownership. A major advantage of owning a home is that your mortgage doesn’t go up.… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

Having lives so rootless and transitory that home ownership isn’t economical vs. renting your whole life is a symptom of the problems we need to fix.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  b123
4 years ago

Yep. That is just how it works. I too live in a neighborhood that has been “diversified.” It’s not a community, it’s a zip code.
Bugmen are made, not born. We forced this on them. But it’s hard to feel sorry for them. They are smug and narcissistic about their own bugdom. Check out this bugman on my YT channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5cSyD3FOfU

The guy has his central air unit stolen right from out of the ground! What kind of psycho moves their wife and children into Detroit in the middle of the hood?

lowly
lowly
4 years ago

Spiteful mutants, that’s the term Dutton uses.

SixxSigma
SixxSigma
Reply to  lowly
4 years ago

Having seen some mugshots of the antifa members arrested over the past few weeks, I’m increasingly persuaded of this phenomenon being real. Some of the head shapes of these individuals are so grotesque and oddly shaped that there’s no way they fit through their mothers’ birth canals; instead of dying off, as would have been the case in times past, medical technology (c-section, for example) made their very existences possible.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  lowly
4 years ago

Dutton, quite recently, gave credit for this term to his cohort, Woodley.

David
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

I love those guys and superchatting their show. Crowd funding may be the future of real news and biological science.

whitney
Member
4 years ago

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/entertainment/showbiz/2001385649/baking-competition-launched-after-uganda-airlines-cake-mishap

I saw this yesterday. The article is about a cake baked to commemorate uganda’s Airlines first year anniversary. It’s not a great cake but a bunch of miscreants online made fun of it and now they’re apologizing and ashamed and having a bake off but the point is is that the miscreants are ruling the world right now. Anything anyone tries to do in a spirit of Goodwill will be torn down by these malevolent people. I don’t know what the solution is.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

The image of the cake makes it look to my eye that the Uganda Airlines plane has ditched in the sea. Perhaps that is SOP for such airlines from The Dark Continent?

whitney
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

Yeah it’s not a great cake but there was nothing wrong with the spirit in which it was made. The point is that those private thoughts are now public and powerful thoughts that swarm around like a school of flesh eating fish looking for its next target to devour

Sandmich
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

This kinda gets to the thing too where everyone has to form an opinion on everything. I think we should be allowed to not care about a Ugandan cake, but some people will reflexively go into axe grinding mode (“joggers, lol”) which makes the “holy” force everyone to submit that the cake is beautiful.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Sandmich
4 years ago

And this gets to the beauty of feudalism, where the various components of society were rigid and self-contained, and where every person knew his role. A peasant in 14th-century Styria was not expected to have an opinion on Meister Eckhart’s metaphysics or the implications of the Battle of Kulikovo Pole.

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Plum
Plum
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Yeah, it was a cake. Can the peasants have an opinion on that? If they don’t like it are they flesh eating fish. Honestly!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

The big problem is that normal people indulge the madness of the mutants. Without our indulgence, they are powerless.

Plum
Plum
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

Perhaps it is fair to critique a less that top skilled effort to commemorate a national carrier? Also we do need better resilience. OTOH, they could have made the occasion private. The pirate ship cake my son had when he was younger was similarly “under par” and we all laughed like drains and enjoyed the tastiness.

Leonard E Herr
Member
4 years ago

We’ve come to the point where we can carry around the collective human experience in our pocket, instantly accessible. All of it; sane, insane; beautiful, ugly; inspirational, terrifying. Whether this results in our collective insanity or some sort of cosmic evolution remains to be seen. I do know that the internet is the best tool I have for fixing my tractor, so there’s that…

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Leonard E Herr
4 years ago

I like the old joke about how you would describe the strangest fact of current existence to someone from 100 years ago. It would be that we carry around in our pockets a device with all information ever known to man, and we use it to watch cat videos and argue with strangers online.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
4 years ago

Personally I think the internet and the globalized world has shown the human capacity to process information and it’s limits. Mostly the internet in this context, since it seems like most people live there now.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 years ago

There wasn’t a second thought given to this important point. Much of the madness is due to digitally supplied information overload.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Much of the madness is due to digitally supplied information overload.

I would build on that and say that the information overload has created a post-factual world.

Facts are no longer fixed points of reference information. They are now highly malleable, or even real-time editable in the case of Wikipedia.

And of course, this condition is far more beneficial to the Left, for whom it is always Year Zero.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

I would build on that and say that the information overload has created a post-factual world. Facts are no longer fixed points of reference information.

Yes, the good old days when you could always trust what the newspapers told you…

It’s not that the internet produces fake news, the MSM always lied to us but the internet allows us to notice, and that makes it feel like suddenly everybody is lying to us.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

The problem is that the surfeit of “truth” that the Internet disseminates means that everybody is able to find, or generate, his own “truth.” The glut of fact and opinion makes the job of the genuine truth-seeker all the more difficult. Whether our current epistemological condition is better or worse than it was before the Internet, I cannot say for certain.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

The glut of fact and opinion makes the job of the genuine truth-seeker all the more difficult.

I’d have to disagree with that. It’s the surfeit of facts and opinion that makes truth-seeking possible at all or, at least, made lying to the public harder.

The feeling that there were less lies and fake news in the old days is a false one: it just feels so because today, journalists are being busted left and right, their credibility rating below that of even politicians.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

There were certainly exceptions of course–the NY Times is a prime example–but generally speaking, before the rise of the New Left, beginning in the mid-60s, American journalism was less nakedly partisan, and more committed to finding and disseminating truth. The media was far from perfect (the insistence upon perfection is a fool’s errand, at any rate), but back then you could be reasonably well assured that what you read in the papers had a strong positive correlation with the truth. Nowadays the opposite is true. Compounding the problem, who has the time and energy to sieve through incredibly vast quantities… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Less partisan is a term of art. Hearst was not one I call impartial. Cronkite actually stated after retirement his opposition to the Vietnam war and effort to kill Americans enthusiasm for it.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

There were exceptions, of course, but I don’t think any reasonable person, comparing the media in 1960 to 2020, could help but conclude that it is far more biased now than then. This is the chief reason the media’s reputation is the lowest it’s ever been. And the media’s brazen Leftism is merely a reflection of what has happened to every major institution in “America.”

Plum
Plum
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Nah. There may have been more outlets that reported on events in factual terms ie less editorialising but when they did “journalism” it was just as skewed as now.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

On the other hand, under the pre-internet media model there used to be locally owned and operated media outlets. Now it’s likely that your local small-town, dead-tree, newspaper is owned by a multinational corporation or some far-away entity. So you get the approved “views” rather than “news.”

Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

Here in Oregon we have smoke so thick now from massive wildfires that it burns your eyes and throat constantly. There’s been talk about what started the fires. What seems clear is that a lot of them are arson. People naturally made the connection with the antifa morons burning Portland. Now this is one of those things that calls for careful use of Occam’s Razor. The problem with the Razor is twofold. First of all, it’s a rule of thumb based on inductive logic, not a rigorous principle that holds in all cases like a mathematical law. Secondly, the idea… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  pozymandias
4 years ago

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Nels Gunnersen
Nels Gunnersen
Reply to  pozymandias
4 years ago

Antifa/BLM started the fires. For sure.

Member
Reply to  Nels Gunnersen
4 years ago

It seems plausible, even likely, but we’ve also got a long record here on the Wrong Coast of just ordinary firebugs setting fires in the woods. California, in the lowlands, is covered with this stuff called “chaparral”, which has been described as basically the plant kingdom’s version of napalm. This is more apt than most people know. The leaves are covered in waxy coatings to reduce moisture loss and this wax is a highly reduced hydrocarbon just like gasoline. So if you’re bored, drunk, and stupid and you’re out driving in the hills, why not break out the lighter and… Read more »

tsnamm
tsnamm
Reply to  Nels Gunnersen
4 years ago

Exactly what is happening… they even post it on Facebook… media suppresses these stories…

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/antifa-radical-arrested-arson-washington-state-caught-highway-setting-fire-lighter/

Damian
Damian
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

I think in the good old days facts and narrative were what the MSM wanted them to be. How else would we know any different. Even going back as far as WW1 the media was shocking. I have a friend who has two v large books with all the jingoistic UK newspaper articles telling the home front about the war. Even after 1916 it was all made out to be a like a jolly good time – like a boy scout weekend crossed with a safari. Even I wanted to sign up! The only way people knew it was a… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Damian
4 years ago

To be fair, journalism in a nation involved in a war for its very existence is an ideographic example.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Damian
4 years ago

Blending journalism with jewish causes, I saw a BitChute video where the New York Times ran an article in 1916, give or take, where it was quoted that 6 million Jews will die due to the war and consequent starvation, etc. that same number was carried forward through the years in many subsequent articles (images shown in the video) up until modern times. Coincidence?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Damian
4 years ago

19th century journalism was entirely yellow journalism and the very idea of being non partisan would have been thought ridiculous.
Heck the Spanish American war was largely created by Hearst agitprop likely so he could profit from it.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

Point taken, but the idea is that this “6 million” number was already being used during WWI (for starvation), and its quite convenient that it shows up again as applying to the Holocaust for a completely different reason. It seems like it was just pulled forward without any real justification … also, this was the 20th century, not the 19 century.

Plum
Plum
Reply to  Damian
4 years ago

The media in England lied to say that the Brit mother’s in WWI wanted their sons to go and get killed for old blighty when in fact the poll said the opposite. We probably were simply less interested in politics back in the day, but the media were just as unreliable.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Your comment sounds very postmodern, and indeed, was anticipated to some degree by poststructuralist theorist Jean Beaudrillard. Occasionally the pomo loons stumbled into fragments of truth.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

The Internet is simply a means to disagree with individual people in a disagreeable manner, on-line, and get away with it. Everything going on follows from that. In the old days, disagreeing with individual people in a disagreeable manner f2f got you punched in the nose or thrown out the door. Not any more. Not only that, but on-line, fellow disagreeable disagreers rally to the side of the disagreeable. Thanks, Twitter and Facebook.

Plum
Plum
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

That is not the entirety of the internet. The whole question of our fall in standards is a big one. It grieves me that so many of us are walking around in shoddy Chinese made apparel and shoes. Even “lower class” people back in the day used to be smartly dressed to go “out”. We are degraded in many ways and the internet does facilitate it, but it is a two edged sword and opportunities should be taken.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Plum
4 years ago

The aesthetic decline of the West is one of the greatest tragedies of modernity.

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Want a civil society?
Bring back dueling.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

People’s access to information—and the need to process it—has grown beyond the average person’s capability. That probably began to happen with radio and in overdrive after WWII and the advent of TV. Prior to that, newspapers filled the void and they were delayed and minimal as compared to the speed and amount of “information” today. The need to process began to become important as we discovered that the MSM had been co-opted and the Cronkites of the time were really just partisan hacks under pretense of impartiality. This was about the time of the internet explosion allowing many sources of… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Add to that the “Dunbar Number”..the idea that we can only have meaningful relationships with 150 people, max. We’re hyper-social primates, so picking up subtle cues in the group is important for survival.

Social media causes HUGE amounts of stress as people try to placate and signal to a truly limitless number of strangers. You can be certain FB, Twtr, and all the rest prey on this fact.

whitney
Member
4 years ago

Also, I’d like to point out that it’s September 11th and it’s the Commemoration of St Protus and Hyacinth who were beheaded in Rome in 262. I remembered them this morning in my prayers. Something else happened 19 years ago but everyone’s apparently forgotten. There’s a pronounce difference in Vigor in the two cultures

whitney
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Definitely killed my patriotism. Though I still think Islam is a worthy target

Exile
Exile
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

Why should we borrow trouble? No Muslim country is poised to invade or terrorisms us. That was all Zio-taqiyya. So long as they keep it out of our countries, I don’t care what they do. The only problem “the West” has with Islam is importing it.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I used to love reading fiction set in other countries and cultures as a child/teen. Imagining walking down a street with women in veils or saris was exotic, and travel (real or imaginary) revealed different aspect of the world. Seeing them thronging formerly American neighborhood streets means one has lost one’s home.

b123
b123
Reply to  3g4me
4 years ago

Same. Unfortunately living among the 3rd worlders as an adult made me lose all interest.

Even got tired of muh ethnic food, the biggest – and only – cope that our pathetic whites have regarding mass immigration.

I enjoy meat and potatoes and milk every night now lol.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  3g4me
4 years ago

Seeing them thronging formerly American neighborhood streets means one has lost one’s home.

I recently read an article, wish I had the link handy, that basically described the Left’s ideal vision of America.

Unsurprisingly, their ideal vision of America was a Third World slum filled with souks, temples, ethnic restaurants, and mudpeople.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
4 years ago

I have no problem at all with diversity, as long as it is at arm’s length. And by arm’s length, I mean beyond the borders of the nation in which I live.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Exactly. The left wants us to believe that we live in one small, global, interconnected world. Fine. Then we get our neighborhood here in North America. The Muzzies can have their own neighborhood in the ME. The Africans have theirs, &tc. Voila, multiculturalism!

b123
b123
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Yeah. It’s not a coincidence that the “right” was pushed to hate Russians and then Muslims. Wonder which group hates both of them?

I have to laugh when I hear boomers or Christians ranting about Muslims. MUSLIMS THROW MUH GAYZ OFF ROOFS. Islam is not the problem. The problem is the wholesale importation of hostile 3rd worlders who are not our people.

Muslims are just convenient scapegoats to let out some white anger – and being the target of such anger is causing many muslims to become pozzed to “assimilate”. A brilliant strategy by our fellow hat people no doubt.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  b123
4 years ago

Nobody “pushed” me to hate Muslims other than Muslims themselves.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Carl B.
4 years ago

But, as we all know:
“Islam is right about women”

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Carl B.
4 years ago

Asking the BoomerCon to recognize Zionist media manipulation is like asking a fish about the taste of water.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

You’re a lunatic.

Plum
Plum
Reply to  Carl B.
4 years ago

And the media coverage. This circles back to media and how it influences our lives. Some people think advertising doesn’t effect them, too.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  b123
4 years ago

There are admirable things in Muslim culture. Not merely artistic (although I believe they copied the craft of ceramics and mosaics from the Romans). Their hospitality and treatment of guests is still a real thing. My husband and I had some wonderful holidays in Turkey (pre-Erdogan, of course) and I made a number of friends among the Iranian community here. All that said, however, they belong in their home nations and not America or Europe.

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Exile
Exile
Reply to  3g4me
4 years ago

They’re not the devils they are made out to be – a lot of what passes for “Muslim” issues are actually third-world or Arab issues, for instance. The rest is agit-prop from Zionists ala “let’s you and him fight, goy.”

That said, they’re too incompatible with our societies to allow them to immigrate here in any significant numbers – and frankly our societies aren’t good for them either.

We should stay at arms-length, limit our contacts to short-term tourism and possibly strictly-limited trade.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Islam is evil in a lot of ways, but there is no arabic word for Karen.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

You mean there’s no Q’aren in the Q’uran?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Made me smile.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Or when they cross our borders to raid or kill but otherwise yes. Don’t go hunting trouble.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

Where are they actually doing this? There weren’t any Dancing Shlomos at the London Tube Bombing, AFAIK, but other than that, actual incidents are pretty thin on the ground inside muh Western countries unless you count Typical Muslim Behavior on the street crime level rather than politically-motivated stuff. You solve for that with deportation.

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Exile
Exile
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Patriotism was ill-used in the neocon wars as well and it left a sour taste in many mouths even before its latest Woke re-purposing. Patriotism has very shallow roots in Millennials and Zoomers.

This erosion of legitimacy works in our favor in the long run.

Xers will be the last generation that has a strong belief in institutional America.

Most of the government’s legitimacy stems from fighting phantom menaces now. Public awareness and dissatisfaction with official cynicism and corruption is probably somewhere around Soviet rates in the 1980’s.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Women are out of control and everything is for sale, so inevitably rot set in. The good news is everyone born from the 70s on is increasingly aware of it.

b123
b123
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

The wall, hypergamy, alpha, beta, carousel, are relatively common terms for guys in their 20s. The cat is out of the bag.

Unfortunately alot of guys are taking this knowledge and just becoming blackpilled and giving up.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  b123
4 years ago

The first step is identifying the problem. Check. Second step is deciding what to do about it, if anything. The black pill imo is the MGTOW path— throw your hands up in frustration and make do the best you can. Fixing the problem is more difficult because it involves a change of attitude and perspective. Forgiveness too. My best thoughts: women are out of control in large part because of the degraded state of men. Tech made men less economically important, killed or maimed them by the millions in the last century, took the fight out of many who survived.… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

The economic disaster caused by the lockdowns, looting, and other disasters this year will at least begin the process of destroying the basis for the kinds of fakework that most women do. It wasn’t so much that technology made men superfluous as that it created a vast economic surplus that cynical politicians seized control of through taxation and began redistributing to those who voted them into office. No surplus to steal, no more half-assed jobs and handouts for halfwits and crazies. Everything once again comes down to “what the hell are you actually good for?”. Now I’m not making the… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

“White Supremacy” is the new Islamism.

Your time line is about right. Putting a timeline on the implosion of the United States qua United States (there will be a nuclear-armed strip mall in parts of the territory a long time), a decade seems generous.

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DLS
DLS
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I used to be a civnat normie Xer. Now I view America as an international airport with inconsistent rules, random violence and looting.

Sandmich
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

That does remind me, any visit to an International terminal at a U.S. airport should be enough to show that the country is over (and that’s if you’re in a place where you can even tell the difference between International and Domestic fliers).

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

My patriotism died with the Iraq War, and has moved to outright hostility to the Thing that governs us. The State-sanctioned burning and looting only has confirmed the need to finalize the divorce.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Another victim of diversity will be patriotism.

I’m actually heartened to see this year’s steep drop in support for the 9/11 hoax.

It’s still there, but not omnipresent as in years past.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Agreed. 9/11 largely is a NYC thing now, a relic of an age long dead. The increased disinterest is a healthy development in that it shows how much the different parts of the country are going their separate ways. Was it hoax? I don’t know. Further, even that point has become mostly irrelevant except perhaps in one regard: the Deep Terror State likely will orchestrate some sort of False Flag domestic terrorist attack in the heartland somewhere or another to try to make the rubes rally ’round the flag again to salvage their playground. Many, if not most, will realize… Read more »

Sandmich
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

I half hope that that it was some deep state orchestration, though it won’t surprise future historians (as it doesn’t surprise me now) that a bunch of half-funded goat-herders were able to land such a critical blow against a dying empire.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Sandmich
4 years ago

That’s what I think actually happened: illiterate ragheads showed what a paper tiger the United States had become.

Mark Steyn can cuck with the best of them, but one point he originally made is all we need to know about this dying Empire: Muslim immigration to the United States increased after 9/11. Put that on the Banana Empire’s headstone.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

I’m still pissed they didn’t take out Congress.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  3g4me
4 years ago

Oh my gawd she’s with the terrorists!!!

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

No question about it! Actually, one of my husband’s 2nd cousins (he has a ton he’s never met on the Italian side back in the East coast) died on 9/11 – a 23 year old who had just started a new job at Cantor Fitzgerald.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Sandmich
4 years ago

Check out Ryan Dawson’s site.

Its Over Dan
Its Over Dan
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Joe Biden didn’t even address it. He didn’t want to risk a scene with his racist supporters. This country is over.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

On 9/11, we saw ourselves in the buildings with the people there. We envisioned being on flight 92, rallying to break open the cockpit door. We could imagine standing in the street in NYC and being dusted with ashes and smoke. No more. Our bond with, and to some extent, our sense of empathy to, the people who suffered and died has been severed. It is not mostly time, IMO, it is the destruction of the sense of being part of the broader American community. I will lay this at the feet of the Left, because they successfully destroyed the… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Isn’t it ironic that “Americans” have chosen to burq’a themselves without any prodding from the Muzz, and that we are now effectively ruled by state-sponsored terrorists in the form of BLM? It’s al-Qaeda’s fantasy come to pass, but in a warped, Leftist fashion.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

I believe another facet of this is the fact that if you had asked the average American on 09/12/2001 that within twenty years of this event we would have not only have thousands more Mohammedans deliberately flooded into this country, but that there would be several elected to our house of representatives who – on a daily basis – will bitch and moan about how much this country sucks and how they will ultimately slit our collective throats using our own laws against us, you would have been accused of being a standout among conspiracy theorists. And yet now look… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

That happened a year later with the short-lived “Office of Special Plans” (9/2002-6/2003). A cut-out within the Pentagon where Neocons either cherry picked or outright fabricated (e.g., the Niger Forgeries; the meeting in Prague) “intelligence” to justify going to war with Iraq. Of course none of them have ever been called to account for their treachery. Their kids don’t serve in the US military, but they want your kids to.

usNthem
usNthem
4 years ago

Yeah, but then all us right thinkers wouldn’t be able to share in your daily/weekly doses of common sense wisdom! That being said, I do think that, net -net, the net has been a bigger boondoggle than boon. It has most assuredly given the loon bags far more voice than they ever should be allowed to have.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  usNthem
4 years ago

I agree. I grew up in a family of shit-libs. When I started noticing things I learned quickly that you don’t dare talk about them. The women in our families are all Karen’s. On the net I found others that had noticed things too. Then I found this blog where they not only had noticed, they had processed what they saw and could predict the actions of the lunatics with the accuracy of a Swiss watch. The shit-libs know the riot is real. They just don’t want you knowing it. That might raise the kind of questions that they can’t… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

Also, Z – the new sound is much better – at least on my devices.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
4 years ago

The Reason magazine blowhards reminds me of the ‘principled’ conservative, Church-going Catholics I know who said you can’t morally vote for Trump because he is mean or something. Forget voting as a pure self-defense mechanism, the fact third parties are mostly even worse, or the fact that they never go after Biden with the same vigor. The moral cowards think punching their own side makes them virtuous instead of just making them stupid saps. They had some clout last election. Luckily, since then, they are just screaming into the void. No one buys the logic of what they’re saying, and… Read more »

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DLS
DLS
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

I am a church going Catholic who has no problem voting for moral degenerates if they vote the right way. That train sailed for me with after witnessing everything Bill Clinton got away with. When you come to understand that all politicians are pussy grabbing sociopaths, it’s all about who advances the ball in the direction you want it to go.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

That Reason article was just pure cancer all the way through. They literally brag about their support of pornography. It is always framed as a “right” of the “viewer,” just like the “right” of a person to take drugs. But they never want to address the evil of the person providing those things.
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Exile
Exile
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

Another societal shit-test the libertarians demand we submit to in their clown paradise of liberty.

If you give in to 24/7 propagandizing and salemsanship appealing to every base urge from food to drink to sex to any other pleasurable leisure activity, you have failed the John Galt purity test, so tough shit, prole. You should have been strong enough to resist all that and invent cold fusion while romancing a hot stronk independent wahman-lolbert.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
4 years ago

Everything was fine until the invention of the “smart phone” It’s not the internet that unleashed all of the crazy people on our society, it’s the smart phone.

If Twitter has taught us anything it should have been that not everyone should vote.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

I wish other dissident right podcasters had your concern for audio quality. The technical standards that you produce have always been above average in my opinion.
Cotto Gottfried comes to mind. I like that show and I like Cotto but convincing him to get a decent microphone seems to be like convincing Pelosi that she needs to lay off the vodka. Hasn’t happened yet.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Whatever issues you’re talking about are your own nitpickings. Your voice is always consistent and even on this end.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

I wish other dissident right podcasters had your concern for audio quality.

Presentation and making great first impressions are hugely important to success in life because they are critical to marketing yourself to others. That’s simply because humans are wired a certain way, like it or not.

Put another way – “The clothes don’t make the man, but the most certainly announce him.”

BerndV
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

Yes, that Lafond podcast to which somebody here provided a link had such bad audio I simply couldn’t listen.

c matt
c matt
4 years ago

there have always been crazy people who line their clothes with aluminum foil

At least in this day and age, that has some more scientific validity based on Faraday cages and the mini surveillance/tracking devices we all carry around, RFID chips in credit cards, etc.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
4 years ago

For that matter, just turn the who thing off entirely. Would the world really be so bad if you had to order from the Amazon catalog over the phone rather than on-line? Technological progress is by far the easiest form of progress to track in it’s development through history. It’s effects are so obvious, that for the unthinking person that says ‘Life is better now than it ever has been’, this is really what they mean. I frequently wonder how effective it would be to halt this progress, because it has evidently led to, in my opinion, so very disastrous… Read more »

Sandmich
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

The problem with rewinding any clock is that it inevitably starts going forward again.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

The problem isn’t so much the technology itself but how it’s used.

If you want to give the public a say in that rather than leaving it up to Davos & the pirate ship multinationals, you have to be willing to sacrifice every sacred cow of muh free marketeers.

It requires a government that acts in the interest of its citizens to regulate business, particularly big business.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

The problem isn’t so much the technology itself but how it’s used. Absolutely. Unfortunately, due to a variety of factors we do not have masses of people ready to resist such vice. Now, the latest shiny gizmo is just another plugin. Few have a responsible approach to these things – I suspect this can only be remedied by instilling discipline in one’s children and finding like-minded people. If you want to give the public a say in that rather than leaving it up to Davos & the pirate ship multinationals, you have to be willing to sacrifice every sacred cow… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

I was a Randroid for two decades. The problem with market-worship was that it never seemed to produce any Reardons, Roarks or Galts. Just guys like Bezos, Zuck & Bill Gates.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

“The problem with market-worship was that it never seemed to produce any Reardons, Roarks or Galts. Just guys like Bezos, Zuck & Bill Gates.”

What do Bezos, Zuck and Gates have to do with the market?

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Bilejones
4 years ago

True capitalism take incoming…

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Bilejones
4 years ago

They are products of capitalism as it really happens.
And don’t tell me its never been tried , both it and capitalism have.
The results we got are the natual results of human societies.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Agree. I completely accept Rand’s diagnosis but shun her prescription.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

How’s the search going over there on finding the like-minded…

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

Slow. But I am moving further away from Londonistan, which is no fertile ground for the like-minded here. It is true you’ll find many a pubs and such, but most won’t commit to even moving from their declining areas. This is doubly confusing for me, as I know their properties are now worth a fortune. But we have a child, hopefully one of many, on the way and have scouted good rural locations to make our base. Probably make the move soon. From there? Network in the smaller village community, warn others and subtly point to some uncomfortable truths. The… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

Godspeed. May your great country, people, and heritage be saved.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

The problem isn’t so much the technology itself but how it’s used. Some of the problem is with the technology itself, though. The developers of social media, for example, have used the mechanisms of addiction to keep eyeballs attached to the screen and have admitted as much. We probably have not scratched the surface on the biological implications of rapidly receiving and processing information. Just to spitball with absolutely no scientific support or basis, the rapid increase of mental illness across the West is probably more than simply correlation with the explosion in digital communications. I agree with Z’s suggestion… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

I think we’re getting hit with a convergence of insanity-producing factors here. Humans use social contacts to stabilize and inform their perceptions of normalcy and sanity. Atomizing them damages this process. Breaking down the family produces kids that never have a firm sense of self and identity to begin with and subjects them to all sorts of chaos – serial step-parents and sibs, moving a dozen places, etc.. Our food, drink & other chemical exposure gives us mental as well as physical health issues. And “safer than booze” weed is permitted for a lot of kids well before their brains… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

My race-neutrality vanished about 10 years ago. Only within the last couple of years has my fealty to the free market gone by the boards. I dare say these are the two chief steps in one’s transformation from civnattery to the DR.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

Usage needs to be limited, and people need to become aware of how too much exposure is a public health crisis.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

Regarding the baby and bathwater conundrum, P.J. O’Rourke once quipped, “For those pining for the ‘good ole’ days,’ I have one word for you: dentistry.”

Luddite inclinations are, to me, a sign of weakness, a sign that you can’t handle what’s been given to you and wish to run away from challenge. Reverting to a more primitive state of human development sends the signal that aspirations are pointless, which is similar to the dehumanizing effect of socialism.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

Aspiration? Mother Russia was first into space with Sputnik. Then America walked on the moon. The optimism of the late sixties and the technological flowering unleashed by spaceflight has left both nations where? The barber can pull my abscessed tooth with his pliers, I’ll take the 19th century over today’s shitstorm in a heartbeat. The real test of men’s excellence is adapting to scarcity and challenges, not overabundance and soft living.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Maus
4 years ago

How about preferring other aspects of 19th century living plus modern dentistry? An abscessed tooth or deep cavity can easily kill you, slowly and painfully. I continue urging my husband to move and look forward to a more rural lifestyle, but my recently-relocated/retired dentist is out there in rural Texas and I’d do a lot to find him in a crisis, even after everything goes off the rails.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Maus
4 years ago

Your 19th century dentist could give you opium if needed which is dangerous but much less so than high tech synthetic opiates.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

Dentistry hasn’t improved in my lifetime and in fact my fillings made near 4 decades ago are more solid than most modern ones .I’ve seen modern fillings last a year or three and than fall apart. As for tech, you will control it or it will control you. If we keep going at the current route, you’ll have no freedom to even think wrong thoughts (some combo of a more advanced Elon Mush brain chip delivered by Gates vaccine should do it ) and if mankind is allowed to live it will be purposeless lives in the bug hive. Tech… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

I’d say it depends upon the integrity of your dentist. But to your point, “planned obsolescence” was a reponse to a burgeoning post-war population. Intended to keep both consumption and employment up. It was an insane policy that did a great deal to destroy traditional craftsmanship, pride in ones’ work, and promote disposability as positive value.

Higgs Boson
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

I’m wondering if keeping the kids isolated in a virtual environment is prepping them for the chip and the ai downloaded via the vaccine nanotechnology.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

There is progress in medicine, and there is obvious technological advancement. But in all other areas the human race makes no progress whatsoever. Indeed, we may be regressing. And, what’s more, advances in medicine and technology come with boomerangs. Just look at the population bloom of sub-Saharans as evidence of that truism.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

PJ was a fave of mine when I was a shallow greedhead neocon grousing about muh socialisms. The idea that every element of society should be a test of your “weakness” is a libertarian prior. We can’t get many important things done anymore in part because people’s brains and spirits are worn out by all these little shit-tests that our culture throws our way daily. To cite the Scandis again today, we have no space left for “hygge” and it’s making us crazy. I don’t buy that we’re all just failing to pass some Social Darwinist filter. If we are,… Read more »

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I’m not so sure we can have general tech past that of 1970 or so and have children. It may be that with a basic level of economic and technological development means the conditions for fertility go away. if you want something to chill you to the bone, once Brazil decided they needed a lower fertility here is how they did it. The jist of the deal was they made sure that there was TV available all over the place and that programming showed smaller wealthier families in an aspirational way. Brazil rapidly went from 4 to 1.8 TFR. That’s… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

This is one question I’m torn on. McNabb at TRS hits on this quite a bit & gets a lot of pushback from the “World’s Worst Graph/Infinity Browns” crowd. It’s hard to dispute that modernity makes your fertility rate crash. A lot of the “Muslim demographics” panic that you saw with Mark Steyn & the anti-jihadists has fallen away as numbers show modernity makes Muslims into bugmen too. They’re still growing on past momentum but you can see the trend tapering off. Dutton mentioned some of the factors in Oslo last year – religiosity, literacy & affluence seem most influential.… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

The opportunity cost of large families for people who are not inclined to have large families is something that is rarely covered, Dr. Dutton the Jolly Heretic sometimes discusses the issue but few other people do. The only other article off the top of my head is one on Reason from many years ago titled something like “maybe people aren’t having kids because they don’t want them.” I don’t simply reasonably expect people without a strong child rearing urge to have many kids Look at it this way. We can now choose to have kids or not. Ignoring social trends… Read more »

BerndV
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

Read Ted Kaczynski’s manifesto. The man was correct in many ways regarding technological society.

John S
John S
4 years ago

Why has everyone gone crazy at once? Have to agree with what the z man said, but there are two things I think we can all consider. First, the stunning drop in social trust over the last thirty years. We all know our media lies to us, our rulers do not have our best interest at heart, and that we can’t trust the other denizens of Lagos, so the official story gets questioned at every turn. This applies to both the left and the right. Secondly, the herd knows this house of cards is collapsing all around us, and that… Read more »

Drew
Drew
Reply to  John S
4 years ago

You’re right about people providing a theory that makes sense of the world; it explains the predominance of conspiracy theories in this day and age. What’s weird, though, is that no one seems to grasp that the powers that be are mostly aware of their incompetence. They know they don’t have the intelligence or will to carry out the solutions to the problems plaguing us, so they try to placate complainers because they would rather keep their status than abdicate to someone who can handle the job. It’s like watching a man try to prolong the process of divorce even… Read more »

b123
b123
Reply to  John S
4 years ago

Yup, everyone can feel it. Many don’t even realize they feel it.

The tower of babel, 2020 version will come crashing down.

Raslip Mugfrid
Raslip Mugfrid
Member
Reply to  John S
4 years ago

Kinda like the Tarot Card Woman in T.S. Eliot’s The Waste Land, trying to explain what’s going on through the cards she draws

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
4 years ago

The stars are now right and Ry’lyeh has risen from the sea floor, with the promised consequences.

Dutch
Dutch
4 years ago

The problem with the Web is that in the “atomization versus community” taffy pull, it initially favors the atomized. People can sit at home, by themselves, and create a simulacrum, on line, of their desires and interests. The Web aids the building of communities as well, but people have to work at that, it isn’t just free and easy. Community building requires on-line and f2f, atomization does not. We also need to work with the situation we have, not the one we want. The Web is a tool, it simply needs to be skillfully used.

Royaliste
Royaliste
4 years ago

“Would the world really be so bad if you had to order from the Amazon catalog over the phone rather than on-line? “
Undoubtedly not, but then neither my library nor my chapeau collection would have reached their current state of fabulousness.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
4 years ago

Still sticking with my “Earl Raab” explanation for the demographic change in the USA. Jews simply cannot allow another White nationalist country to ever exist again. ER (a Jew) shucks the corn right on down cob and says that, thanks to the jewish involvement, there will not be another Aryan majority nation again. You think that they’ll be happy to stop right there? I don’t think so …

Drake
Drake
4 years ago

Uber vs. Taxis – you got most of it. Also the political class made the taxi licenses / medallions so corrupt and limited that there was a huge demand out there. Part of what Uber exploited in their business model was the petty corruption that is just accepted at the state and city level these days.

Sandmich
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

Had a coworker who went to New York on business twice, and both times had to get his credit card replaced and the only thing he used it for was to pay for cab fare.

Maus
Maus
4 years ago

A man who is willing to sacrifice the very means by which he produces (some of) his wealth and fame for the common good is a man worthy of being listened to. Today’s post is why I trust Zman though I’ve never met him IRL. I suspect that many of us feel that the display of overconfident stupidity has reached insane levels. Pre-internet I expect that the typical sorting of university education and the knowledge, skills and abilities of the work environment sorted most folks in such a manner that they naturally assumed everyone was just like them, with rare… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

NUC = New Unit of Computing

I own one as well, and it is amazing how much power is packed into it.

No one really needs a big desktop PC unless you’re constantly editing video, doing real time 3D rendering, or are gaming for living.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

I moved all of my music and video to a 4 TB external that connects via USB-C. In the future, replacing the PC will not require a massive data transfer.

Separating data from application software is far and away one of the best things anyone can do.

I love my Synology personal cloud storage for this reason.

It makes switching machines simple, and makes it trivial to support a desktop and a laptop for travel.

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David Wright
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

You named a substantial part of what many do. My business is graphics intensive but I also like some game simulators. You can do it on mini atx with a Ryzen processor, somewhat diminished though.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

NUC’s are sexy, overpowered for what I do but if I had free time for gaming I’d grab one. Some of the Alienware and other top-end gaming laps are desktop-tier even for the high-end tasks you mention. Desktops are going to be a dying niche going forward.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

The NUCs make pretty piss-poor gaming PCs, TBO.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 years ago

It depends on the NUC.

Anything with integrated Intel graphics is a lost cause for gaming.

You can’t run 2020, triple-A titles at 4K on a NUC8, but the NUC8s will run older titles and less intense current titles just fine.

The new NUC9s will take dedicated GPUs that run on a 500W power supply, so you can actually do pretty well gaming with those.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Wow, yeah, sorry, I should’ve been more specific. I honestly haven’t looked at them since before COVID got “serious”, but looking at that 9, I would seriously take a look at over building a mini-ATX.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 years ago

No matter what, use AMD chips: Intel is the globoshlomo chip-maker.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Heh, my main rig has a Threadripper 3990x. AMD4LIFE. Purely enthusiast.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

You probably won’t read this, but what the heck. For grins and giggles, I picked up a 9 today and slapped a RTX 2080 in it. It can run with the big boys in 2020. Not lead the pack, but it can play just fine 🙂

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

NUCs are fun. I bought one and built a doomsday box with one a year or back.

nrouter
nrouter
4 years ago

Q sent me.

Higgs Boson
4 years ago

Suggest checking out Christopher Rufo timeline for a preview of things to come.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realchrisrufo?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Higgs Boson
4 years ago

More worrying are the army of Diversi-bots that replied saying,

“No, no, West Point cadets being steeped in critical race theory is absolutely a good thing for the Army’s future.”

Its Over Dan
Its Over Dan
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

It’s a Red Army waiting to happen. Rod Dreher had a couple articles about it months ago.The future American army will have an analogous relationship to the DNC as the PLA does to the CCP.

Rafterrat
Rafterrat
4 years ago

“If all the internet billionaires were killed tomorrow, is anyone really going to notice or care?”

Tomorrow? Why not today?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

So, I just saw a Faceberg post in my Feed from someone who explained why they drive around with their Beer Flu mask on.

The reasoning?

Because it’s too hard to keep taking it off and putting it on.

I can’t even.

Rudi
Rudi
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

A plastic bag on the head, just once. Never have to experience the inconvenience of removing it.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

“One likely outcome, if we shut down the internet, is the world would suddenly get much calmer and quieter.” We can’t control the internet, but we can control our exposure to it. Studies claim to have shown (he said, pulling a point out of thin air to support his assertion) that using social media makes people less happy and perhaps other negative stuff. For my part, I ditched Facebook, Twitter long ago. More recently I’ve resigned from sites like NextDoor or Medium that limit free speech too much. I still do unhealthy things on the internet (trading stocks primarily) but… Read more »

Plum
Plum
4 years ago

Doing away with the internet, unfortunately, means a return to those powerful enough to be the owners of the gates and employ gatekeepers who have been to Harvard or are children of friends and are trusted to push the approved message. It is like the fruit of the tree of knowledge.

Steve Ryan
Steve Ryan
4 years ago

I was waiting for some Scorps…first concert I ever saw. In Cincy!

Brace For Impact 2020
Brace For Impact 2020
4 years ago

This post is not off topic, it is in fact the crux of the matter. If you understand that everything you see happening around you is simply a big push to enact the globalist agenda, then you understand it all.

Here’s an Irish guy with a Youtube channel called “Computing Forever” with a 30 minute video he just posted intitled:

“It’s Time To Wake Up.”

Do yourself a favor and watch it. It explains a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh6VnB7JvW0

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KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Brace For Impact 2020
4 years ago

Thanks for the video link … I watched the entire thing. My takeaway is that the scope of the covid hoax is worldwide … not just being perpetrated in the USA solely for election purposes although it certainly serves that purpose as well. Honestly, I wish that I had the stones to wear a sandwich sign with “COVID19 IS A HOAX” written on it!

Brace For Impact 2020
Brace For Impact 2020
Reply to  KeepTheChange
4 years ago

“I wish that I had the stones to wear a sandwich sign with “COVID19 IS A HOAX” written on it!”

Why not just move to one of the whitest countrie on earth?

Here’s a list.

https://www.quora.com/Which-countries-have-the-highest-percentage-of-white-people?share=1

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
4 years ago

Computer software has been distributed under contracts of adhesion since the beginning of the “personal” computer industry with EULA that basically exempt them from anything and everything. Imagine buying an appliance and by opening the box you agree that if the appliance doesn’t function at all, you cannot return it and if it damages you in some way because of an outrageously bad design “feature,” not only can you not get your money back, but you can’t sue them for damages either. Or if you bought a food processor with a picture of carrots being processed on the box, but… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

Worse than that. To my knowledge, the car companies own the right to the software used in your car. As a “computer on wheels” you can do little to install your own parts without access to it. Third party manufacturers are locked out. And, as has happened with home PC’s, the car manufacturers can stop development and basically obsolete a perfectly good car.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

Yeah, and just imagine if they can lobby to get older cars off the road, for the climate’s sake of course, and mandate new EVs.

jimmy
jimmy
4 years ago

The WWW has allowed me to see how bad things are,because these nutty bastards cannot keep their mouth shut. The real worry is the sneaky quiet ones that are really causing trouble. I know myself I am part of the problem as I have treated my country as a rental car. When you get out of the Army you service has not come to an end. I got that part wrong. The other side is not so smart, we left the door unlocked and put $20.00 on the kitchen table.

SidVic
SidVic
4 years ago

Yeah, Chertov and Mcfaul are odious. These so-called elites really make my skin crawl. The grey corpse-like complexion is off-putting.

theRussians
theRussians
Member
4 years ago

If this episode was made on the nuc, 5×5. The bottom end might be a little thinner but more natural.

Sandmich
Reply to  theRussians
4 years ago

I thought it was just me. Either the bass was slightly over-pronounced on the old rig or the new one is very slightly tinnier.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
4 years ago

The whole QAnon thing is another example of mass lunacy.” Not really. As a doxxed-and-cancelled online Qanon aggregator just said, “QAnon is a patriotic movement to save the country.” Whether you choose to believe it all or not (I don’t), it’s still people taking a righteous stand with their hearts in the right place. Besides, much of what they say is true, e.g. the Deep State, an anti-Trump cabal in Washington, DC, pedophilia on Epstein’s island, etc.

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Exile
Exile
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

Half-truths are more effective weapons of subversion and misdirection than outright lies.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Effective weapons? Meaning: “Weapons of subversion and misdirection in the course of attacking the Deep State and elite oligarch parasite classes”?

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
4 years ago

Can you explain why is this only happening in the US? The rest of the world is going through it’s routine political nonsense just like always. CV-19 isn’t being turned into a political drama-fest over here. And there’s no European equivalent to Antifa or BLM trying to burn, loot or take over Frankfurt, Zurich, Tours or Sienna. Why is this only happening in the Continental US. No reports in Hawaii or Alaska either. No one in Europe is stocking up their shelves with food or ammo. No one is being threatened at stop lights by protesters. Anyone could understand this… Read more »

Brace For Impact 2020
Brace For Impact 2020
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
4 years ago

“So why is this sort of civil unrest unique to America?”

The United States is the Hegemon. The globalists must bring it to heel in order to enact their agenda. And for the NWO, it is paramount that two things happen emidetly. To keep the country locked down and turn the general population into terrified, helpless peasants. And to drive President Trump from office.

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tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
4 years ago

I thought Europe was getting it too? Wasn’t there a bunch of BLM protests? As far as I know, antifa riots are a regular occurrence in Europe. Isn’t Mayday a major Antifa riot-rest?
What about all the Africans and Pakis and Middle Easterners swarming Europe? As far as I know, there are large neighborhoods in German cities where every house is flying a Turkish flag.

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KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
4 years ago

In Spain, they arrested a woman for not wearing a mask. Also a 14 yr old boy was arrested and had a knee on his neck for not wearing a mask and getting feisty with the cop. I work with French people and covid craziness is alive n well there. This covid hoax is all over the developed world … it was also crazy in China earlier on.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
4 years ago

The (((German))) Marshal fund.

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DFCtomm
Member
4 years ago

So the band is Accept, but what song is that? I haven’t heard it.

diconez
diconez
4 years ago

yes, the internet allows the maladapted to thrive, it’s been known since the early 00s at least. on the other hand, the internet allowed the “crazy” dissident right to exist and affect national politics outside of hiding. true, it’s blowing back in the dissidence now, partly due to swastika-shaped self-inflicted wounds by the maladapted that sneak in inevitably (specially as many whites have been raised maladaptive for decades), but also partly because the jump has not been made back to the real normie world. thus that jump must be made: no kinetic action, no funny uniforms (yet), but camping outside,… Read more »

tsnamm
tsnamm
4 years ago

Z man love the outro… Accept is excellent, and the Restless and Wild album is probably their best IMO… there’s a take of Princess of the Dawn on a live album from Osaka, called Staying A Life…I think you would dig it. As well as a ripping version of Breaker…

Strike Three
Strike Three
4 years ago

I am an old Gen Xer, born in the mid-’60s. In LA county (in the ’70s and ’80s) a normal conservative family read the Orange County Register (the editorial staff were libertarians), and had a subscription to U.S. News and World Report. You could also read Time and Newsweek, but you understood ahead of time that they leaned Left. If your mom or sister needed a fill of gossip then you also had a People Magazine subscription. And this was the extent of information one had at his fingertips; anything beyond this required a trip to the library. People then… Read more »

Sandmich
Reply to  Strike Three
4 years ago

Everything started to go sideways with Clinton (though he was more of a manifestation, not the cause of). I recall reading Newsweek in high school and they had a list of public justifications for Gulf War 1 and said that the protection of Saudi Arabia excuse didn’t past muster since no one should die so that they could “continue to treat their women worse than their camels”. Just to round it out, they said the justification that held the most water was crippling Saddam since a Mideast Hitler with nukes was a terrifying prospect. Yuck, sounded good to me at… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

Why is it that so many people have gone crazy all at once? All of the answers everyone has given here are correct. But there is another factor, one that is pulsing in the brains of every sentient being on the planet: The climate is changing, and changing swiftly. Whether this is natural, cyclical, or anthropogenic is beside the point. It is happening. Only shills, idiots, fanatics and some urban dwellers will deny that the weather has been strange for more than two decades, or that the trend is in the direction of being generally warmer and drier. Similarly, to… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
4 years ago

And, a special shoutout to the Zman!

I’ve waited since 2015 for an explanation of this gem: “Autumn leaves in the fall remind me that there might be a God, and of why I hate libertarians.”

The Zman’s clear reasoning above in the thread seems purty darn reasonable.

Thanks, Z!

As a payback, I just heard this on a tiny local desert station: “…well, I mean the white women’s vote. Black women couldn’t vote until 1965.”

The pod people are everywhere.

The invasion has come even to Needles, California.