The Arc Of White

One of the distinguishing features of politics in the American Empire is the phenomenon of white populism. This is something that emerged in the middle of the last century with the establishment of the American Empire after World War II. Every generation has experienced a wave of populist unrest, always in reaction to some reform movement initiated by the white elites. The elites act and the white working and middle classes react.

The first example of this was the white populist revolts in reaction to the Civil Rights Movement and the 1960’s Cultural Revolution. Whites in the South reacted to the destruction of segregation. This was followed by a revolt by northern whites over things like forced busing and the cultural upheaval. This set off the great political realignment where southern whites and northern ethnics migrated from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party in the 60’s and 70’s.

Another white populist revolt started with the de-industrialization of the country starting in the 70’s and accelerating into the 80’s. The rapid conversion of the economy from manufacturing to retail and services continued the political realignment that started in the 60’s. The so-called Reagan Democrats were mostly the people who had voted for Nixon, but this time they moved the GOP for good. This was also the start of the gap between the knowledge economy and the labor economy.

The current crisis is another wave of white populism. This time it is in reaction to the continued looting of the middle-class economy by the global elites, but also the betrayals of the Bush years and the Kulturkampf of the Obama years. Large numbers of whites in American have come to the conclusion that the political and economic elites are at war with them. The election of Trump in 2016 is one obvious result, but the hysterical and now violent reaction of the elites is another.

The thing about these waves of white populism is they follow the same pattern; despite the fact the triggering events are different and the times are different. There are some obvious parallels between what is happening now and what happened in the 1960’s and 1970’s, but modern America is nothing like the America of the 60’s. In fact, the people of that age would not recognize this age as America. Despite the enormous differences in culture and demographics, the pattern is the same.

One aspect of every white populist spasm has been that it gets funneled into a form of legitimate politics. The conservative movement of Bill Buckley, for example, tapped into white populism in order to get professional conservatives into office. Nixon’s so-called Southern Strategy was an explicit attempt to get disaffected white voters in the South to abandon their allegiance to the Democrat Party. Legitimate politics promised these voters a remedy to the assault on their culture.

The rise of Evangelical conservatism in the 70’s and 80’s was another effort to funnel white unrest into legitimate politics. Christians logically figured that if they organized politically, politicians would seek their vote. They would get the vote by addressing their concerns about things like abortion, family law and education. Of course, the Tea Party Movement and now the MAGA stuff are more efforts by whites to defend themselves through the legitimate political process.

Another thing all of these right-wing populist movements have in common is they failed to get anything for their efforts. Nixon did nothing to address the concerns of Southern whites over desegregation. He was happy to let them think he was on their side, but Nixon was more focused on gaining acceptance from official Washington. Reagan delivered for corporate interests and the military industrial complex, but never got around to doing anything for social conservatives.

Today we are seeing the same thing with Trump. His reelection depends entirely on whites coming out to vote for him for symbolic reasons. He will not deliver anything useful to white voters, but he will be a constant irritant to the elites. In fact, the only practical reason to vote for Trump in November is his reelection will send the elites into orbit and they could harm their own efforts. Otherwise, like Nixon and Reagan, Trump will deliver nothing for white populists.

The one new wrinkle to this process is that after the Cold War, many Republicans became hostile to white populists. The purging of the paleocons by the neocons in the 1990’s realigned the party away from populism. Most Republicans, for example, were openly hostile to the Tea Party movement. Trump’s biggest problem in Washington is his own party, which hates him as much as the Left hates him. So-called conservatives are fully onboard with multiculturalism now.

Of course, white populism has always had another outlet. That is the path of what can loosely be called white nationalism. In the 1960’s, people like George Lincoln Rockwell and William Pierce tried to tap into white populism to promote racial awareness among disaffected whites. Theirs was an anti-politics, in that it rejected the political system itself as illegitimate. Rather than try to mobilize people to elect better politicians, they wanted to organize people to create a new system.

In the case of Rockwell, it got nutty and then it got bloody. He tried selling Nazism to a country still proud of defeating the Nazis in WWII. The absurdity of his presentation got him plenty of attention, but that did more harm than good. He attracted a lot of weirdos and lunatics to his banner. He ended up taking two in the hat outside a laundromat, but even all these years later, the Left finds him to be a useful example to wave in front of bourgeois whites as a warning about white nationalism.

This is a pattern that has repeated in every spasm of white populism. The white nationalist lane is divided into one sober minded track and one eccentric and often dangerous track. William Pierce was a genuine intellect who understood the larger problems facing white people in America. He could never figure out how to break free of the eccentrics like Rockwell in order to attract a broader audience. The result was white nationalism became an insulated subculture.

This pattern repeated in the 1980’s. People like David Duke and Don Black came out of the Rockwell experience with the hope of breaking out of the white nationalism trap and addressing a general audience. Instead, Duke ended up being a less bizarre version of Rockwell and his movement was plagued by criminals and weirdos. After some national attention in the 1980’s, as well as some white nationalist violence, this phase of white nationalism faded into an insulated subculture.

In this current wave, the pattern has held. The alt-right started as a genuine populist revolt on-line among younger white males. The anonymity and irreverence of on-line culture gave them a way to express their unhappiness with modernity. The alt-right tapped into that, but like prior white nationalist spasms, this one was overrun by eccentrics and criminals. This time, the preppy airhead, Richard Spencer, was the clown prince used by the Left in their presentations.

As an aside, white nationalism in America has tracked the technological changes in the country over the last fifty years. The first iteration was banned from conventional media platforms, so it relied on things like newsletters and shortwave radio. The second iteration was the first to use the internet to build an on-line culture. Stormfront really was an innovation in political organizing. This last phase is confined to private internet channels, podcasts and live-streams.

Taken as a whole, the pattern is clear. These spasms of white populism in reaction to social experimentation by elites or changes in the economic order always end up going down two dead end paths. One is conventional politics, always through existing political channels, like the GOP. The other is white nationalism, which always ends up in a circus of attention seeking eccentrics, who are easily exploited by the Left. It is two roads that lead to the same dead end.

Interestingly, these two tracks always end up convinced that the other track is a dead end populated by losers. Today, many of the MAGA people invest as much time in rejecting the bad whites as they do supporting their cause. The remnants of the alt-right, in the name of white people, invest much of their time attacking white people, their history and their customs. Many of them sound anti-American to most people. Their rhetoric is decidedly leftist and hostile to American traditions.

The logical way out of this trap is something William Pierce recognized, but was never able to implement. That is, white populism needs to be channeled into a bourgeois politics that attracts high quality people who understand the problem is the system itself, rather than the office holders. In other words, it borrows the central insights of white nationalism, but provides it with a cultural and historical framework that appeals to the mass of middle-class white people.

Whether such a movement can get going is open to debate. The history of white populism is now a nightmare from which we cannot awake. Any effort to speak of white interests brings all of the usual suspects from past failed efforts into the mix. It’s as if all the parties enjoy playing the roles that have been created for them. The arc of white politics in America is looking like an immutable law of nature. It may require whites reaching minority status for the pattern to break.

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Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
4 years ago

The only reasonable way to be pro-white in the current political climate without getting the weirdos is to pick causes that are implicitly pro-white. Think law and order, clean suburbs, support to rural areas, localism, lowered immigration, destroying big tech, gun rights, etc. Mostly boring as hell stuff for the edgelords, but a boon to people who have an interest in their children’s future. And if minorities decide that sounds good to them too, like how hispanics seem to be responding to the law and order message in the polls, all the better. We’re a long ways from bringing back… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Good comment. Agreed.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Think law and order, clean suburbs, support to rural areas, localism, lowered immigration, destroying big tech, gun rights, etc. That sounds a lot like what Trump is running on, whether he means it or not (and whether he can get it done or not if he does win). So? So we’re about to find out.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Will minorities come over? Seems all those “non-White”, “White” things you mention are being deconstructed as White racism/supremacy. For example, “law & order”. Seems preposterous I know. But short of random murder, I’m reading—and often seeing—lots of writing wrt how such laws and their enforcement are simply legalized oppression of minorities and should be abolished, or limited to Whites only. In an age of returning to tribalism, separation seems the only recourse.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

In an age of returning to tribalism, separation seems the only recourse.
Exactly so the next question is do you want to do it while you can still travel freely and times are mostly stable or when you’re under fire and there is roadblocks at every intersection…

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

None of us would have no problem with those laws being for whites only if we can have a country of our own to match.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

And you know, I’m actually in the camp of such an idea. I really do think “White law” is not for everyone and it’s enforcement upon our vibrancy is at the heart of most all our troubles.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  CompscI
4 years ago

Which only points up our utter incompatibility. Our continuing to live together in the same polity is absurd.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

True. Everything that makes civilization possible is being labelled a sign of whiteness and therefore racist. And, in a sense, the critics are correct: civilization is a white thang–PoC wouldn’t understand.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Absolutely. In a sense they are making the case for us wrt White culture. They can’t exceed it, they can’t match it, they can’t even maintain it. So they must remove it, less they continue to be embarrassed.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  CompscI
4 years ago

Bang on, Compsci. In the 60s the idea was to elevate blacks to the level of white civilization. Some 50 years later it is obvious that this project failed. So, in order to achieve “equity” between blacks and whites, civilization is now being dismantled and replaced by savagery. Only in that environment can blacks be equal.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

If the civil rights movement is a failed social experiment, why then deconstruct western civilization to accommodate a few evolutionary dead ends? There must be other options being considered.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Higgs Boson
4 years ago

They are. By us.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Only in that environment can blacks be equal
I would say they aren’t even equal there especially if they didn’t have our inventions to help them..

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

We should also support explicitly white culture in the form of classical music, pre-postmodern literature and drama, white food and drink establishments, and, where they exist, museums and institutions that are not hostile to whites (if such still exist).

B123
B123
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Yes, all that is truly incredible.

Compare what “primitive” white men were creating in the 16,17,18th century and compare it with the modern globohomo culture. It’s shocking.

Ours is the greatest culture that ever existed. Today they force globohomo slop down our throats and tell us we have no culture, and by extension, no right to a homeland.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  B123
4 years ago

The flip side to this approach, of course, is refusing to patronize anything that is non-white and hostile to whites. The obvious examples are sports, most major corporations, and institutions such as the Smithsonian. Realistically, it is impossible to avoid everything anti-white, but we should still do the best we can.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

“We’re a long ways from bringing back covenant communities and other ideals, so people are going to have to be more clever in finding gray areas in the law or working in the shadows. Which means our rhetoric has to consist of dog-whistling on steroids.” Exactly. We too often black-pill ourselves. The truth is there is a turning point occurring right now. Yes, our side has lost every fight in the culture wars for several generations but there is no inevitability to this outcome. All that has to happen is that the Left be given enough rope to hang themselves.… Read more »

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DLS
DLS
Reply to  Tom K
4 years ago

This is a good point about not getting too black-pilled. Look at it from the perspective of what BLM is actually accomplishing: nothing. It’s a bunch of talk that infuriates and insults us, but no one on that side of the divide can actually say what their objectives are, except to make black lives more vulnerable to crime by targeting the police.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

Yes, and it occurred to me that another value closely associated with the Scientific Method would be Freedom of Inquiry which is of course allied to Freedom of Expression. So when for example we ask why so many blaques are shown in interracial relationships in commercial advertising, and inquire as to the involvement of the hand-rubbers in this clearly-coordinated campaign, we aren’t automatically shut down for merely asking.

George Sedaca
George Sedaca
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

Except every corporation in the USA has given them money….about a billion dollars I believe.

Epaminondas
Member
4 years ago

I think you have hit the bullseye with your last sentence. Whites must once more endure slavery to understand the real consequences of Marxist multiculturalism. No amount of cajoling and Powerpoint discussions will turn normie. But loss of economic freedoms and a confrontation with copious amounts of vibrancy will definitely leave a mental scar that can be passed on to the next generation, much as dad’s horror stories about the Great Depression figured prominently in the Baby Boomer narrative. The leftist narrative must be given complete scope to collapse in on itself in precisely the way Bill DiBasio’s New York… Read more »

Panopticon
Panopticon
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

Jonathan Bowden was very prescient on this point. His “Western Civilization Bites Back” is must-listen/must-read:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMEQISo40yU

https://b-ok.global/book/5759071/48bf0c?regionChanged=&redirect=28743894

Lady Dandy Doodle
Lady Dandy Doodle
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

Normie needs to see a lot more of this: https://twitter.com/bbyzee_7/status/1304229846638239744?s=20 A black woman did this to me many years ago, and that was the beginning of my journey to this side of the great divide.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Lady Dandy Doodle
4 years ago

I am resolved never to fly on a plane that requires passengers to wear masks. The POC stewardesses are insufferable scolds.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

I guess us evil anti-maskers aren’t going to be flying anytime soon. I wouldn’t be surprised if that becomes the “new norm”.

Txsodbuster
Txsodbuster
Reply to  usNthem
4 years ago

I haven’t worn a mask the past 2 months, 1 person said something. Costco won’t let me in though, membership renews in DEC?

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  usNthem
4 years ago

Fine with me. It will be an excellent excuse to lay down a six figure check for the automobile of my choice. I’ll be driving.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

I just did this. Drove to Duluth instead of fly. Was a blast, more flexible, Americana etc. Unfort I cannot drive to Switzerland, Japan, blah blah to meet clients f2f, however, we’re doing fine with WebEx, Zoom and the like under guise of covid, so maybe I just won’t fly commercial as much or at all. Bye bye airlines.

Txsodbuster
Txsodbuster
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

Exactly, if I cannot drive there, I don’t need to go.
I guess that means I’m driving to Alaska next summer, Dammit Bobby.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Txsodbuster
4 years ago

It’s a beautiful drive. Take your time. Stay away from big cities.

Nationalist Christian
Nationalist Christian
4 years ago

The best lesson anyone can take from prior attempts at white populism is to just be honest. Don’t pretend to be the Nazis, or the Klan, or anything else besides a white American. The best strategy is to keep repeating that it’s okay to be white, and that white lives matter. The idea is to dispel white guilt, and at the same time, invite attack and censorship. Not being able to say “it’s okay to be white” is a massive redpill to the normies.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

What is the present reality? I can barely recognize the America I used to know.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

There’s a common thread among most people under, let’s say 45, and especially 35, regardless of where they are politically, and that’s disparaging American history. But this is to be expected. This is a country that once worked for most people. Even the boomers didn’t get the meat of the great ponzi. You have to be in a nursing home to be part of that America. If you’re a young person you ONLY know a failing system that’s been failing, literally, since before you were born. You don’t like the Founding Fathers because you can’t identify with the success of… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

Much of what you say is true, of course, but you’ve overstated things considerably. Maybe it’s the part of the country you live in. Many (meaning “many”) young (20s & 30s) folks here in the Deep South are proud members of the DAR, the SAR, the UDC, the SCV, the MOS&B, the Jamestowne Society, etc. I personally know many of them. My daughter, for example. My sister. Etc.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
4 years ago

That’s because they identify with being trampled down by an oppressive regime. It rings true to them. Today’s America is the same, only its on a demographic level and in all 50 states. The 20 somethings in my area join Antifa…sadly.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
4 years ago

Still, as Z-man noted, we’ve de-industrialized the economy and produced one which more and more rewards a smallish cognitive elite with a good living.

Our politician’s answer. We’ve sent several generations to university to pursue weak or outright faux degrees in which there is little chance for a future employment and a reasonable income to allow one a chance to partake in the “American Dream”.

When I look at the rioters now performing nightly on our city streets, I’m not surprise at the numbers of Whites. We’ve sown the wind…

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  CompscI
4 years ago

That’s exactly right. They have faux degrees, sometimes even six figures in debt, and no no future. All dressed up and nowhere to go. So why not throw firebombs? What they need to do is look in the mirror and say “Ive been had, my education is worthless, what a fool I was!.” They don’t have the stomach for that.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

True. But historical analogy is still a valuable thing. Baby/bathwater.

B123
B123
Reply to  Nationalist Christian
4 years ago

Yep. I’ve said this before. I don’t have a “Fuck Trudeau” sticker on my car. I don’t have Gadsden logos or Rebel flags anywhere. I don’t brag about my firearms. I work hard, am polite to everyone, save money. I’m in shape, I dress well, I speak well. An ideal white man. I stand out compared to the degenerate soys and hood POCs, in a good way. An ideal white man. So when I say something mildly redpilled to family, they listen and don’t think much of it. We have to remember just how cucked the average white is. We… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  B123
4 years ago

“I am in shape”

Underrated positive trait, that

B123
B123
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Nothing worse than seeing all the fat fucks at the gun range (or some kind of mildly //ourguy// related event.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  B123
4 years ago

The hate I caught for pointing out that St. Kyle could stand to lose a few lbs….

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Little baby fat, lay off St Kyle. 🙂

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  SidVic
4 years ago

Hanging out with the gun range crowd was going to grow that little bit of baby fat into a lot….

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  B123
4 years ago

Got to second that.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
4 years ago

Patriotic pro-American feelings are still strong among the MAGA crowd. That needs to be tapped into. And the term “anti-white” needs to be used over and over. It’s about messaging and normalizing an effective weapon for our side.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

The term “anti-white” is a great mind-worm.
It takes advantage of the ideal of colorblindness to right-wing normies and short-circuits the “hate has no home here” rhetoric from the left.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

That’s why I prefer the term “white-hater”. Openly anti-white sentiment is everywhere, voiced loudly by white-haters.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

Oof. “White-hater”, now that’s a gut punch.

It’d be nice to see the other side go, “but, but, I’m not a…” for once.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

The term “anti-white” is a great mind-worm.

Agree with this wholeheartedly. In fact, it appears to be the only race based phrase I can mutter that causes even leftists of some stripes to pause and wonder. Whatever the current situation is – and it has been very bad for some people indeed – this phrase is something that now resonates and can be salvaged as a useful tool.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Every time I see one of those Hate Has No Home Here signs, I know that hate has a home there. They hate me.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  MBlanc46
4 years ago

They decry hate as they burn, loot and murder.

B123
B123
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Yep. Anti white is perfect.

Doesn’t mean I’m a white nationalist. Doesn’t even mean pro-white.

But mr. Civnat, we don’t want *anti-white*, do we?

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

The Evangelical crowd are uncomfortable with this message. It’s going to take some shocking violence perpetrated against explicitly Christian targets before this crowd learns to stop turning the other cheek. And that’s IF they even know about it through their trusted news channels.

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

We’ll see what antifa does in Lancaster, if anything.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Folks on the ground are saying that Lancaster is a Hispanic ciyy these days, ese.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

It is. Puerto Ricans, hipsters, and boomers in luxury condos. It’s really gone downhill the last 10-15 years.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

What’s slated for Lancaster?

My family has land and a graveyard there from six generations before the Revolution.

Oh cripes. There are still places where you can see Amish shoeing horses and selling produce and baskets.

What will they make of those mad mobs- and what will those mobs do with them?

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

Hopefully not riots, and if so hopefully contained to the city. They’d be stupid to do it for several reasons. The guy was arrested for stabbing 4 people last year and chased the cop with a big knife. So ‘he was a good boy’ and ‘hands up don’t shoot’ won’t work. Lancaster police don’t screw around. They were out in full riot gear from the go. I’ve seen them bust drug dealers with squads of riflemen and APCs. For all the goodwhites who’ve moved here over the last 30-40 years and the diversity in the city, it’s still a law… Read more »

Last edited 4 years ago by Paintersforms
Flair1239
Flair1239
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

I originally blew off the anti Christian contingent of our guys. I felt it was going a step too far and kind of a virtue signal… “ I am so pro white that I am a pagan”. That said after looking into it further, these guys have a point. Christian doctrine preaching that we are all “one in Christ” is obviously a universalist message. At some point a White Christian is going to have to decide what is more important to him. It maybe isn’t an issue right now, because both groups have all the same enemies at this time.… Read more »

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Flair1239
4 years ago

There is the theory advanced by Joe Atwill that Christianity was really a pacification campaign by the Romans to control the population of Palestine. Rose Mary Sheldon, a professor at the Virginia Military Institute who specializes in the intelligence services in the ancient world has a similar theory.
http://apologetica.us/2008/12/06/apostle-paul-was-a-fake-and-a-spy/#:~:text=Rose%20Mary%20Sheldon%20of%20VMI%2C%20presented%20her%20thesis,Roman%20Intelligence%20and%20the%20Birth%20of%20Christianity%20“.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Flair1239
4 years ago

You are confusing the tool with the tool-user. Christianity is universalist just like the Constitution actually means the US is a nation of immigrants – those messages originate and eminate from the Synagogue of Satan, and they are a deliberate perversion of the truth and our heritage. To speak of the brotherhood of Christians without actual consanguinaity is the same as the idea of 6.3 billion citizens of the American nation.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

I have been preaching for years that the Left’s anti-white racism should be the crux of our critique of the existing order. Now, very belatedly, I think some people are beginning to catch on.

Federalist
Federalist
4 years ago

One thing that Trump delivers is that he delays the implementation of nationwide gun control. Due to demographics, large scale gun confiscation or at least the attempt to do so is coming eventually. It will happen when there is a Democrat president, Democrat majority Congress (provided there is a decent sized majority in the House), and a Supreme Court with at least five Democrat nominated and appointed justices.
You want Trump and a GOP majority Senate in the likely event of appointing Ginsburg’s and Thomas’s replacements.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

I don’t think large-scale confiscation will be necessary.

They can do small-scale confiscation via Red Flag Laws, and then make it impossible for aging gun owners to pass their armories down to their kids. This achieves the same goal with far less effort.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

It seems like red flag laws alone will only be useful for confiscating guns from a very small number of gun owners, relatively speaking.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

The threat of Red Flag Laws is more of a deterrent than their actual use.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

And actual EEOC title VII lawsuits will be filed against a very small number of employers, and yet we find everyone falling over themselves to overcomply with Title VII. Pour encourage les autres and all.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

Supreme Court need have nothing to do with gun control, albeit some cases may wind up there eventually. My assertion is based on just how bad the situation is—and remains—in States like IL, CA, NY, MA. The Supreme Court has not helped a whit here, why would they act upon another country-wide ban or even buyback if they’ve done nothing at the State level for these things?

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

Not every place is like California, New York, or Massachusetts. In many red states, gun restrictions have been loosened in recent years. Open carry and concealed carry are more popular than ever. In some places, politicians are almost required to tout their “pro-2nd Amendment” positions.
Assuming all other members are the same, a Supreme Court with a Trump appointee in place of Ginsburg would overturn a national gun confiscation law. A Supreme Court with a Democrat President nominated, Democrat Senate confirmed replacement for Thomas would allow national gun confiscation to stand.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

My point obviously is not clear. The Supreme Court has refused to hear these cases in the past—or more importantly upheld such. The States I cite show you how bad such could be, nationwide, should the Fed’s decide to enact national restrictions. A forced buyback is, I admit, an unknown, but that would be most likely for semi-auto’s, not all guns. But before that, a lot more infringements could be attempted ala State examples currently in effect. I agree there has been great movement in many States, but disagree that SCOTUS has kept the dogs at bay. Congress has kept… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

I can only speak for MA, but getting a gun here depends a lot on your local Police Chief being pro 2A or not. Some places it’s really easy and some places you have to know somebody (oddly enough those places are also the ones where they don’t want to “ruin” some “teens” life for having an illegal weapon with effaced serial #s.)

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

Democrats realize full-scale gun confiscation would put them in personal and political peril, too, although they will do it around the edges with Red Flag laws and similar schemes. The primary reason to re-elect Trump is the Ruling Class either will engage in massive electoral fraud or not even recognize the result. Either way, it would so delegitimize the system it would be very, very helpful and might spur left-wing areas to secede. If, somehow, Trump were re-elected and allowed to take office, the only policy benefit would be he would not open the floodgates to refugees and unlimited immigration… Read more »

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B123
B123
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

They will step it up to Canadian levels.

Did you know that Ontario, alberta, British Columbia, manitoba, and Saskatchewan have immigration rates almost double California-the highest rate in the USA.

It’s happening so fast that whites aren’t able to figure it out in time. The slow boil is over, the rapid deluge is their new strategy. Sask. and Manitoba are conservative provinces with near-replacement white fertility levels, yet still get the deluge of non white immigrants. It’s not about economics, it’s about genocide.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  B123
4 years ago

I found the “Russian-hacked” Wikileaks emails from Clinton more or less nothing burgers except for one. In it, she expressed a desire for a borderless North and South America economic zone, with free movement of people and free movement of goods. I think this was to be put on a fast track. It would have destroyed the United States and that was the intention. I am aware of what is happening in Canada and do expect the same here once the Left consolidates power. It will not be game, set, match but close to it. Out of interest, is this… Read more »

B123
B123
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Quebec has a slightly lower immigration rate, about half of the other major provinces – the same level as California.

Outside of Montreal Quebec is almost 100% French-canadian.

In 2019 they voted in a government that has cut immigration from 50,000/yr to 40,000/yr. They will be replaced too, they are just still in the slow boil phase. Once their nationalist boomers die off (quebecois boomers are pretty based, not like anglo boomers), expect full destruction too.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  B123
4 years ago

IIRC, that happened due to a mass influx of Haitians (when Haitian aliens in the US mistakenly believed Trump was going to end their decade-long “temporary” status.)

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  B123
4 years ago

Damn. So the past secession flirtations apparently gave the French Boomers more in-group preference, then, than those who followed.
In much of the South and Western United States, Boomers tend to be more based than X’ers down, but in the nation as a whole it is not that way. Maybe a similar dynamic at play.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Democrats realize full-scale gun confiscation would put them in personal and political peril, too

That won’t stop them. They’re destroying their cities just to virtue signal. BLM shit probably won the presidency for Trump last time. Yet, they want to try it again.

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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

There is some reason behind the fullscale destruction of the cities and we don’t understand it. There appears to be a rational, perhaps from a psychotic standpoint, purpose to it.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Perhaps to drive out the more affluent liberal populations who can leave to turn other areas purple or blue while still leaving a reliable blue population in the cities. If one is thinking longer term.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  skeptic16
4 years ago

This was my thought.

Urban goodwhites of means fleeing to purple areas to turn them blue and red areas to turn them purple.

Yet another demographic pincer in the multi-pronged attempt to wipe out YT.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  skeptic16
4 years ago

I’ve thought that, too, but for several reasons it doesn’t make total sense. Not the least of these is the black-on-White and communist White-on liberal White terror probably erases at least some brainwashing.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Or maybe they really do just hate us that much and will burn their house down just to make the air in our neighborhood smell bad.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Educated.redneck
4 years ago

That’s the problem with hate, makes you do sub-optimal things. But given how counter-productive their behavior seems, it’s hard to imagine it’s not emotion based.

B123
B123
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

I think it’s that white liberals are still white. Non-whites or ((())) don’t see, or don’t care about, the distinction between good and bad whites.

Good whites are delusional retards but the demographic may no longer be useful to tptb. They’ve been jettisoned to clear out the cities for whatever mass importation the elites have planned for Jan 2021.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  B123
4 years ago

You nailed it. It’s as simple as that. Anti-white racism. No need to overthink it. For these people, anything that harms whites, any whites, and makes blacks feel good, is a positive.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  B123
4 years ago

That very well may be close. It is just an old-fashioned kicking to the curb.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

The Public Housing authority in MA sent out letters to people in the Projects in pricey neighborhoods like Southie, the South End, etc., asking them if they wouldn’t prefer to live in the ‘burbs where the schools were better. The developers really, really want that real estate. Commutes for normies even a short distance away can now take hours. Immigration far outpaced infrastructure. Some people cleaned up but most people suffered.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  RoBG
4 years ago

That’s totally plausible. Unlike the gentry folk sent packing, though, the Section 8’ers are a drain as it is. People in the NYC pogroms, to give one example, tend to be higher earners.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

This is just color revolution stuff, city destruction is standard practice in all of them at least as long as whoever in charge of the revolution (usually CIA or some QANGO) gets power its all good since it allows profiteering during the rebuild.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

I’ll disagree because while people defend the 2A, all the other Amendments it was supposed to protect are being stripped away.

A Romanian lieutenant told me every family had guns under Communism.

What they didn’t have was bullets.
Each household was allowed six.
His side job was black-market trade in bullets, since his father was the police chief.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

I’ll disagree because while people defend the 2A, all the other Amendments it was supposed to protect are being stripped away.

I’m not sure what you’re disagreeing with. I have no faith in the Constitution to preserve any of our supposed rights. My point is that a US Supreme Court with a Trump appointed replacement for Ginsburg will not permit nationwide gun confiscation and a USSC with a Biden appointed replacement for Thomas will.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

I subscribe to “The Great Courses” which presents lectures on various subjects such as history, science etc. I am finishing up a series of 12 lectures on the Federalist Papers. I suspect the lecturer, who is a professor of law at Indiana University leans to the left. While it is an excellent synopsis of the Federalist Papers, what strikes me is how all the assumptions behind the design of the Constitution are no longer applicable, and many were even dubious at the time they were written as propaganda pieces.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

(Next morning: shoot. I gotta stop pulling these all-nighters.

I missed your point, and agree.
You were speaking of SCOTUS picks, not home arsenals.)

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

Confiscation is not needed when using your gun for legitimate self-defense subjects you to legal and civil sanctions in most parts of the country.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  skeptic16
4 years ago

You’re on to something here. I bet I can make half the population give up their guns in just a couple of generations given the “right” set of “reasonable” laws.

Buck
Buck
Reply to  CompscI
4 years ago

Sure….by the time tptb realize the stack of bodies and how many body bags they need to clean up the mess after trying gun confiscation they will definitely change their tune on that idea. They can try drying up ammo supplies, but keep in mind there are literally thousands of patriots that have an enormous supply just waiting on a reason to use them.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  skeptic16
4 years ago

Its perfectly possible for Bad Whites to agree with BLM and go full ACAB you know.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

Breyer is 82 as well. We have to get the traitor Roberts out of the swing role. Even if Trump blows one, and Roberts continues to cuck, you are still at 5-4 for a long time.

Alfred of Wessex
Alfred of Wessex
4 years ago

One big opportunity from the pandemic that dissidents need to support is the rise of homeschooling as an alternative to public schooling. By some accounts, the number of homeschooled children has doubled since the pandemic: https://news.gallup.com/poll/317852/parents-satisfaction-child-education-slips.aspx And it makes sense – if the public schools are going to force parents to babysit their kids while they watch online videos, then they may as well just put them in a home school network where they can get better support. The demographics of the homeschoolers are primarily white with a christian bias. There’s an opportunity there to create a real subculture of… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Alfred of Wessex
4 years ago

I could not agree more. It literally is child abuse to send a young White boy or girl to public schools. In fact, the fallout of the pandemic overreach and fraud will include a huge erosion in support of public school systems, which is long overdue.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

This gal is PISSED they’re giving lessons that masks are “normal” in the public schools:

https://twitter.com/RealTina40/status/1305602052677136385?s=20

Also note the rainbow flag pattern on the lesson, implying the normalization of homosexuality.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Alfred of Wessex
4 years ago

Not just homeschooling but the damage to colleges and universities along with sportsball and Hollywood.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Alfred of Wessex
4 years ago

As someone subjected to the Public Schools during the mainstreaming of SpEds and the elimination of Tracking/Levelling, I couldn’t agree more. I was routinely punished for “reading ahead.” My siblings and I all agree we would have been better and more cheaply educated sat in front of the TV or left to our own devices than attending the local public schools.

SidVic
SidVic
4 years ago

Conservatives tend to be too gloomy. See Derbyshire’s- We are doomed. Across Z’s adult life, and mine, conservatives haven’t really experienced a significant policy win. So it is well earned cynicism. However, will the 200 million anglo-assimilated american whites be ushered meekly off the stage? I find it doubtful. Thus, something will break/change.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  SidVic
4 years ago

You would think their anti-white BLM/antifa campaign would go full throttle several years down the road, maybe when whites become a minority. It’s a dangerous game they’re playing by shoving their agenda in Whitey’s face when there are 200 million and still the majority.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

They are either extremely confident or throwing a Hail Mary.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  SidVic
4 years ago

Conservatives tend to be too gloomy It is a tough conundrum. You want to bring more people over to your movement, yet all you have is harsh realities about life (things that I believe conservatives tend to get far better than liberals). The other side offers Utopia. The other side offers a ‘fair minimum wage’. The other side believes in ‘equality’… and so on. It does not help that the left have a monopoly, really, on words that seem to prick up the ears of people – particularly the young. Perhaps further back consequences and actions were far more closely… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  SidVic
4 years ago

Derbyshire is comfortable with the doom because he’s an old man who knows he won’t see the final work product of this nonsense. He intends to put the bag over his head and close his eyes.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

I think it’s just a temperament thing with Derb. It’s like George Will said before he went full cuck. Being a pessimist means you are right 90% of the time, and the other 10% you are delighted to be wrong.

TomA
TomA
4 years ago

Trump is neither the problem nor the solution. And it is not accurate to say he has done nothing. Among other tangible changes (goodby never-ending-war mania and the globalism tsunami), he has pushed the day of reckoning off a ways into the future. Continued looting of the US economy would have brought us down within a few years, but now it may take a decade or more. Nothing changes until the environment changes. And then, it’s adapt or die. You best be prepared to either adapt or help structure the ensuing changes.

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skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

Wait until his second term. Don’t get me wrong, I prefer Trump over Biden. But Trump is totally slave to his jewish donors, as is Biden or anyone who rises to the top of either party.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  skeptic16
4 years ago

So you’re saying that Jews-in-charge are anti-war and anti-globalism, and that’s why they’re manipulating Trump to act in that fashion. Then why haven’t the Jews-in-charge told Faceberg to back off on the anti-Trump propaganda?

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

Black Lives Don’t Matter To Themselves: This weekend brings a video of a brazen assassination attempt by a thug upon two police in a car in Compton, CA. I wish the two cops a recovery and life w/o parole to the shooter, if caught. Meanwhile, in Lascaster, PA, body cam video shows a black man run out of the front door, knife held high, towards the cops. Not surprisingly, said man is shot dead. Local blacks protest. Now, maybe it’s just my white privelege, but don’t these people have any sense of shame? Has it ever happened where one black… Read more »

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

The cop in Lancaster should have least attempted a well reasoned argument on the dangers of running with a sharp object before drawing his weapon.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Judge Smails
4 years ago

That right there is excellence in commenting!

brunob
brunob
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

Has it ever happened where one black said, “Yeah, that brother was stupid. Anybody that did what he did would get killed.”

and be accused of being a self hating black? now where have i seen that type of peer control before…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

Society gets what it tolerates, and blacks will do anything antisocial that is tolerated. At this moment, they have learned that any time one of their fellow Hutus gets his chips around a cop, regardless of how much he had it coming, blacks are then allowed to burn, loot and murder. Until people in power say “Enough!,” this cycle will continue.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

Jason Whitlock, the black sportswriter, has said he hates these people because they make all blacks look bad. He is pretty red-pilled.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
4 years ago

In my youth I saw David Duke on some talk show in the early ’90s and I was pretty impressed (and that’s even though I didn’t agree with his politics at the time). For as smooth talking and clean cut as he was though, his ability to influence and his choice for followers was probably thin. Look at us today, all living in the shadow of imminent jogger-death and we still find ourselves going slap-happy on nominal allies trying to wake them up. If people like Buchanan and Duke couldn’t pull it off, I’m not sure that it was going… Read more »

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
4 years ago

I’ve heard that Duke (and this is from fellow WNs like Tom Metzger) used donations to fight for the white race to go on gambling junkets and to have cosmetic plastic surgery done. Duke claims he had to get the surgery after a brawl, but I’ve seen reconstruct jobs on fighters and that’s not what he had (though I think Duke probably did have some scuffles, and I remember Geraldo made his bones on getting his nose broken during some stupid segment on hate).

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
4 years ago

In the case of Rockwell, it got nutty and then it got bloody. He tried selling Nazism to a country still proud of defeating the Nazis in WWII. The absurdity of his presentation got him plenty of attention, but that did more harm than good. Speaking to my 92 year old grandfather last night, I was reminded of Oswald Mosley, so I asked my grandfather about him. He said, “He had some good ideas, but it was the image that done for ‘him”. I guess much the same as Rockwell in that people who had just fought Nazism were now… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

My grandpa liked the German people. Thought the Russians were barbarians for how they treated the Germans, thought the French were perverts. I remember him as strongly anticommunist more than anything fwiw. Didn’t like the nazis, but that didn’t seem to make him a self-hating white guy.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Didn’t like the nazis, but that didn’t seem to make him a self-hating white guy. This is one of the most important points, it is the measure of extremism in the modern view: whites were Nazis, I am white therefore I am a Nazi and must hate myself. How beaten as an intellect must you be if this is an outlook you have? It is indeed the product of a mind never conditioned to think. Then again, it may also be a great club to which the lonely leftist can instantly belong with a minimal entry fee. These are also… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

That’s because your grandfather’s personality was well formed before all of the anti-white propaganda. Keep in mind that in the 50s, there was a superman radio show for kids where Superman was fighting the KKK. They were forming their identities and their basic personality and had this crap pumped in their heads.They also hi-jack our natural tendencies. That’s why “racists” are also usually misogynists or mean to children. Watching a man hit women or children is just instinctively enraging. They take that natural feeling of hate for such a man and make that man a “racist” It’s also one of… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

“That’s because your grandfather’s personality was well formed before all of the anti-white propaganda.”

He was raised Mennonite. Sometimes I wonder what’s the difference, but I guess the church was old school back then 🙂

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

That is another thing that is not really addressed in today’s politics. The Japs engaged in genocide in ways that made the Nazis look like humanitarians. Now it is almost entirely forgotten.
I guess it’s okay when yellow people do it. As long as the guys in funny hats aren’t involved on the dirty end of the stick – it’s all good.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

first of all nazis did not genocide the jews
second of all japs did genocide the chinese
don’t you think it’s suspicious the 2 most powerful ethnic groups on earth are portrayed to be victims?
nanjing massacre is fiction, is their propaganda really that good?

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

I am not prepared to become a holocaust denier yet. Having said that, I am seeing evidence of a Joo-ish hoax afoot. The figure I have heard kicked around when the subject came up, was that 6 million jews met their end in the camps. It’s right on wiki. Look up how many jews were in Europe in 1939… and it’s approx. 6 million. So I guess You-Know-Who murdered them all and didn’t tell anyone about it. Obviously lots of jews did die – but not in the numbers they are claiming. Curiously, I also found out one of the… Read more »

Joshua Shalet
Joshua Shalet
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

Look, I’m Jewish but I must know: what number is more believable? 2 million? 4 million?

I accept that the count may of been exaggerated for political reasons (zionism/sympathy) but to say it was a complete hoax is a but much

I only represent myself, but you won’t see any of us trying to debunk Stalins death count (approx 18 million gentiles) or the Holomodor or the Armenian genocide

I’m being sincere, I will not play the cheap anti semite card

What do you believe really happened?

Randian Supremacist
Randian Supremacist
Reply to  Joshua Shalet
4 years ago

What do you believe really happened? No clue. That’s the problem with politicized history, so many lies it’s hard to grasp what’s real anymore. https://www.timesofisrael.com/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians/ Simon Wiesenthal openly admitted lying about the supposed 5 million gentiles being killed alongside the jews in Hitler’s camps. In a sane society one would then ask what else he lied about. He justified himself sayng the lie helped further the cause. Questioning the official story just gets you labeled as a kook and antisemite. I no longer care one way or another, all I care about is what they use it for. The holocaust… Read more »

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Joshua Shalet
4 years ago

As I mentioned in a previous post, the 6 million number was being bandied about during WWI as the number of Jewish people to die of starvation. That number was later repeatedly referred to for other reasons, and just brought forward over the years. I suspect the real history is lost to the revisionists, but I think that Typhus and starvation surely took a grave toll.

Christina
Reply to  Joshua Shalet
4 years ago

The problem with the number is that it is used as proof positive that the most heinous crime in history was committed against Jews and that’s why we should never forget. The Holodomor or the Armenians or Rawanda are NOT the most heinous because of the numbers. So they aren’t as important to teach. I had never heard of the Armenian genocide or the Holodomor until 5 years ago. Rawanda happened in my lifetime, so there’s that. The focus on holocaust is also a means to distract from white genocide and ridicule it. If “never forget” were about preventing genocide… Read more »

George Sedaca
George Sedaca
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

The Red Cross had boots on the ground, said it was 270K from typhus and starvation. No gas chambers.
While 55 million goyin were slaughtered and that number is beyond dispute.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

japs did genocide the chinese

I must be imagining things, then, because there sure seem to be an awful lot of Chinese around.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

The Chinese have not forgotten it. Not by a long shot.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
4 years ago

Nor have the Koreans, and any others that got in their way during that time period.
If I were them, with China on my doorstep – I’d be manufacturing and punching out manga battle robots as fast as I could make them. Japan is in a very vicarious position…

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 years ago

Precarious.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
4 years ago

Oh FFS.
Thanks, V. There seems to be something of a vacuum between my ears…

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

True. Maybe that has something to do with the Nazis being projected onto all whites.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

America has become “The Land that Nuance Forgot.”

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Grandpa wasn’t nuanced about Russians, for sure. ‘Godless savages’ was how he put it. Pretty sure he witnessed atrocities but he would never talk about it. And this was a guy who saw a German concentration camp.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

FDR managed to get us to ally with the only regime actually worse than Hitler. That takes a special kind of traitor.

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

After Rockwell got clipped, they did interviews with the locals, a lot of whom shrugged and said, “Well, he had a right to preach that stuff, even if I don’t agree with it.” This shows how incapable minorities are of living in a society with free speech. White people who’d fought literal Nazis a few years ago could at least tolerate an American Nazi in their midst, whereas black people who weren’t alive for slavery want to silence white people who weren’t alive for slavery for pointing to data on race and IQ. Rockwell’s operation was really weird, though. E.… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

I wonder if they would do that today…

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Of course not. The ACLU hasn’t been American or about Civil Liberties in ages.

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skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

If you are referring to the “Nazi” march in Skokie, IL, the “Nazi” that led that march was a jew. The (((ACLU))) certainly knew this.

Sam J.
Sam J.
Reply to  skeptic16
4 years ago

Not only was he a Jew he was a homosexual pedophile.

George Sedaca
George Sedaca
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

That was a LONG time ago. The ACLU today is full on anti-white.

My Comment
Member
Reply to  Joey Jünger
4 years ago

My dad fought in Europe during the war and ended up mainly hating Italians because of having to deal with the mafia although he didn’t realize they were the Italians he was pitted against. Like most American men he wasn’t all that political and would have avoided the war if possible. So for him nazis were mainly just normal guys who got stuck fighting for their side like he got stuck fighting for his side

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Dating myself. But grew up in one of those families that all went into uniform to fight (mostly in Europe) Plus a great uncle that liberated sub camps of Dachau and his imported Polish wife who was one of the three (of nine) people in her family to survive nearly five years of forced labor under the Nazis. It’s a visceral revulsion that is hard to articulate. But a childhood of hearing direct testimony (Crazy Heddi held nothing back) will leave an impression.

diconez
diconez
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

i’d argue the Nazis should be hated much more for what they did to the Poles than what they did to the Jews.

Joshua Shalet
Joshua Shalet
Reply to  diconez
4 years ago

I’m Jewish and I agree

Marioland Exile
Marioland Exile
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

GLR was assassinated by one of his own guys. With a broomhandle Mauser by a lunatic wierdo who wanted to steer Marxist.

Props to the Murdoch Murdoch crew for their humorous yet relatable takes on Pierce, Mosley, GLR and crew.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Marioland Exile
4 years ago

I’d never heard of Rockwell before reading Z’s piece. But I’m sensing a few parallels between Rockwell and Malcolm X.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Rockwell spoke to the Black Muslims at Malcolm X’s invitation and received a standing ovation.

They knew and respected each other.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Interesting.

George Sedaca
George Sedaca
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Rockwell was a great man, quite brilliant. Check out his speech at Brown University.

diconez
diconez
Reply to  Marioland Exile
4 years ago

yeah, the eternal Rohm-Strasser problem of Marxists trying to hijack your nationalism. Hitler dealt with it with the long knives, GLR could not do so. what we need is pretty much to keep the funny uniforms and paganism and tiki torches locked down deep in the closet, if not simply erasing them. and maybe even keep home the ARs and camo (save absolutely necessary). heck, i’d advise against parading around the Dixie flag even, though on the other hand it’s hard to come up with another one that can be just as famous. maybe remove the stars so it’s not… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

High quality people is indeed the key. Preferably married men with a decent credit and legal record. Not the Richard Spencer’s or the internet trolls.
How do we get there? I got no idea for certain but me thinks the more the loon squads on the left go after normal white people as Nazi’s and racists the farther along we will get.
The left has become so nutty they are helping us with their own antics and they can’t seem to help themselves from going crazy.

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JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

Yes, a nice credit and legal record….to be utterly destroyed by the powers that be…. There’s a reason revolutionaries come from the fringe.

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

Giddy is right – it isn’t the credit and legal record in themselves. It’s that the kind of people that have that are cooperative, have staying power, and have good judgment. Revolutions undergo many stages before they exhaust themselves. We don’t want to be the ppl who kick it off but can’t finish it off, we want to be king of the hill at the very end.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Chad Hayden
4 years ago

People who think they can make a difference are naturally crazy in one way or another. They’re also a natural part of the human ecosystem, despite what certain people think here. That’s a fact. And those people generally aren’t on the up-and-up with their taxes, their credit or any other record for that matter. Can you imaging Sam Adams reading the IRS website today?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Whether such a movement can get going is open to debate. The history of white populism is now a nightmare from which we cannot awake. Any effort to speak of white interests brings all of the usual suspects from past failed efforts into the mix. It’s as if all the parties enjoy playing the roles that have been created for them. The arc of white politics in America is looking like an immutable law of nature. It may require whites reaching minority status for the pattern to break. The primary reason it will not require minority status is the Left… Read more »

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jimmy
jimmy
4 years ago

I find it hard to ID the cause, when there seem to be a large contingent of white people trying to burn down the police station. My idea of community is not that. We have problems within our own ranks. Hard to get much traction when you are attacked from inside and outside. Much like a drinker it takes the bottom to arrest his fall. This much self-hatred needs to addressed before you can sell the better tomorrow idea, for me anyway.

sentry
sentry
4 years ago

White nationalists need to infiltrate republican party & subvert it.
i don’t know if they can pull it off though.
If white nationalists make their own party, republicans & democrats will create a coalition against white party.

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Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

And that is naturally following the demographic growth curve of the non-European population. As the Vibrancy begins to test its powers and indulge in vengeance politics, whites will finally understand that they are walking targets. As Washington famously said of the Quakers, “They will do nothing until they feel it.”

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Whites – if united – would be the largest voting block this century out.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

But half of us are “spiteful mutants”. Hell, I’m not even sure of myself at times. 😉

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Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

I think a rethinking of politics from a demographic perspective is long overdue.Incomplete sentence: Such a rethinking of politics is long overdue for Whites. Are there any other groups thinking politics in terms of demographics? I mean other than blacks, Hispanics, American elites, Muslims, Jews, liberals, Democrats, Samoans, the media, Asians, Somalis, communists, Han Chinese, academics, females, etc. (did I miss anyone)?

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

Why not bite off something more manageable like the constitution party

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Chad Hayden
4 years ago

Well I would say has third party politics helped our cause or harmed it…I would say it does more harm than good because it seems to always get who we despise most into office…

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

But the crap sandwich will be the only thing offered to us, so long as we accept and chow down every time.
Also, to dispute your premises: not sure Perot spiking GHW Bush was a bad thing for us. I’d take the Hillbilly Horndog over any Bush. Did we really lose that much the last time we bucked our would-be masters’ yoke?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

A third party would be subverted, undermined or co-opted. To my mind, it is a non-starter for the DR.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Very likely so. But detaching the Repubs from the financial class isn’t going to happen. What to do?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  MBlanc46
4 years ago

Grow the movement and organize in non-party form. And, the sooner the better, because the opportunity for us to strike is on the horizon.

MoldyBuggy
MoldyBuggy
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

What other than online circle jerking is a starter for the DR?

Had the energy used to trash the alt-right been directed at holding it up and reinforcing it there might well be an actual right wing, there is not.

Far worse a betrayal than Buckley. Who along with Reagan hit his mark- the USSR.
The DR only undermines, built nothing.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  MoldyBuggy
4 years ago

I had nothing to do with trashing the alt-right. Indeed, I was notionally a part of it. But rather than nursing old grudges we would all do well to create a united front and concentrate on obtaining our objectives. And the first step is to organize. I can assure you that, along with a certain writing project, is where I intend to devote my energies.

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KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Exactly … just look at what the Neocons have done to the Rep Party. Its a Jewish hot-house with the purpose of being controlled opposition.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Chad Hayden
4 years ago

I tried the CP already. In California, they self-destructed rather than present a meaningful alternative to the DemRep Uniparty. They do not want to win. They want to be accepted by the cool kids.

The only spine I found among them was a politician named Don Grundmann… worth watching if you’re into local politics.

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

True statement and excellent article by Z-man. At the present time there is no acceptable way for whites to organize and identify along racial lines. There will have to be a really serious shake up (spectacular military defeat or financial crisis) in the present system to open the way for a white identitarian movement. If whites have to wait until they are a minority it may be too late–their fate will be that of the Boers in South Africa.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
4 years ago

Spot on – totally agree. Something significant most likely needs to occur to create conditions where Whites as a group can begin looking out for their group interests w/o being painted as lifetime, card carrying klan members.

As an aside, coming back to our libtard dominated burg from a weekend in the mountains, we fell into a big auto based Trump rally a few miles out of town. Dozens of vehicles adorned in all sorts of Trump paraphernalia, flags waving, horns honking – all ages. Really amazing and fun.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  usNthem
4 years ago

“Something significant” is likely to happen within two months.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Cities being burnt down and roving violent packs of anarchist and blacks seems significant to me. I think you guys may be underestimating the panic felt by large swaths of city-dwelling normie whites.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  SidVic
4 years ago

Right. But you best prepare for a whole lot of you-ain’t-seen-nothin’-yet.

Txsodbuster
Txsodbuster
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Ready

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

It’s called an election.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
4 years ago

More specifically, Trump’s reelection.

Ari Silver
Ari Silver
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

Hanging out with Repubs will lower your IQ by a minimum of 25% and you gain 40 pounds. The Republicans are the party of hypocrites and the Democrats are the party of phonies. A serious man knows the best we can hope for is say 25% of the whites lets just make sure it is the best part of those whites, look at what the Jews do with 2%.

Flair1239
Flair1239
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

As soon as you have a explicitly White party that is able to Reliably command 10% of the White vote, the GOP is crippled as a national outfit. I don’t know that it makes sense long term to put a lot of effort into national politics. I think the local organizing is probably more beneficial at this point. Before TRS went off the rails, I thought they were on the right track with their pool parties. Enoch and Sven present pretty well as working guys. But with the ascendency of Erik Striker at TRS they have taken on a more… Read more »

George Sedaca
George Sedaca
Reply to  Flair1239
4 years ago

I love TRS. Enoch is likely one of the most intelligent white advocates next to KMAC.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

We do not need to even think about parties in the traditional sense. Instead, we need to think in terms of movements and organizations.

Yman
Yman
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

That’s impossible even 90s where situation are better

Scientology successfully infiltrate fed when every body were white and lack of Jewish surveillance
Your Operation Snow White would be infiltrating place where full of pimp, whore, collaborator, maximum Jewish surveillance

Just listen to wizard, you can’t wield the ring therefore must cast into the fire

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
4 years ago

The problem for white populist movements is that we are out of time to do what needs to be done. What needs to be done should have been done by Rockwell or even Duke and his movement. The problem with the Pierce strategy and the reason he ultimately failed is that while white populists were trying to figure out how to capture the state, the left was capturing the institutions and in particular, education and pedowood. Once education was SJW converged, it was producing people who would be utterly repulsed by people like Pierce. While Rockwell was being trotted around… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

This drifts back into the Cold War fight in some ways where we felt that we had to make American Democracy as universalist as communism in order to fight its appeal. If there was something unique about western civ in that it couldn’t be adopted by anyone who wanted it, then there was nothing to keep every brown-horde country from switching to the Reds and parking nukes and bases right across our border, so the thinking would go. The example of Japan’s redemption didn’t help. American whites imagined every place eventually turning into their own version of Japan, ignoring the… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
4 years ago

The example of Japan’s redemption didn’t help.

Throw Germany in there too.

The US literally lucked into the two most ideal, high-trust, high-IQ cultures for complete remolding after a terrible war.

Those efforts got the US so high on its own supply the idiots running the place extrapolated the deluded univeralist idea they could do the same to any culture on Earth.

HamburgerToday
HamburgerToday
4 years ago

Whites have interest in not being second-class citizens in the homeland their ancestors helped build. That’s not going to change because of endless propaganda or because of failures to achieve victories in the past. A ‘bourgois’ White populism would do what? Secure Whites from further loses of material comfort while the races around them pick them off one at a time? How is that a way forward for a great people who have done so much for the world and could do so much more? Whatever it is called, there will be an explicitly pro-White movement in the US because… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
4 years ago

“In fact, the only practical reason to vote for Trump in November is his reelection will send the elites into orbit and they could harm their own efforts. Otherwise, like Nixon and Reagan, Trump will deliver nothing for white populists.” I think Z is probably right here. However, far and away the most important consequence of a Trump victory is that it will precipitate the formal disintegration of what remains of “America.” The AWRs will not stand for another Trump term. This means that one of a few things will happen. One, certain far left areas (greater Portland, Seattle, etc.)… Read more »

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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Not only will this happen, they are telling us it is what they plan to do. In for a dime, in for a dollar, really. They don’t care at this point whether the country is viewed by its citizens as legitimate. Making it more illegitimate is just another day at the office for them.
Z eluded to it, but the recent Kevin Williamson column about accepting the “election results” is short-hand for suck it up and support your national dictatorship. It’s on.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

If the “deep state” (God, I hate that term) really wants to get rid of Trump, all it has to do is have the fed put the brakes on money creation. Overnight, banks will fail, the stock market will crash and people will be begging for Biden to win.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
4 years ago

No one in the country today really knows Richard Spencer the way people knew about David Duke in the 80’s and 90’s. Duke was the butt of every KKK joke there was back then. That’s because until 10-15 years ago the media was a homogenous locked down place. Their narrative could be pumped out to every corner of the country with ease. Only inside the ballpark people know about any given white nationalist figure these days. That’s part of the reason the media is tagging everyone as white nationalist these days while cancelling accounts. They’re trying to work that old,… Read more »

Geraldine Fox
Geraldine Fox
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

Good observation. They can’t smear Vince James, Henrick and Lana, Ramz, Nick Fuentes, they way they smeared Duke because they don’t have a total lock on information…..yet. But rest assured the jewing will intensify and the DOJ/FBI plans to shut down any and all of our voices. I do not think they will be successful because of our numbers and the fact that we have the moral high ground.
It’s both sad and stunning that jews are hell bent against allowing whites to have a voice as human beings on planet earth.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Geraldine Fox
4 years ago

That’s what Google and Wikipedia are for. Also, to make you unemployable.
How long before the power company starts cutting electricity to wrong-thinkers? Water company? Cell service? We once thought bank accounts were completely off limits. With antifa showing up at people’s houses, how long before wrong-thinkers can’t even rent an apartment?
There are no depths too low for them to sink.

Funny thing is, this is how Stefan Molyneux used to see his libertarian utopia working.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

If you believe that’s coming then I hope you are doing things to negate that from happening to you…

ronehjr
ronehjr
4 years ago

The trouble with appealing to bourgeois politics is that the bourgeoisie are inherently economics driven, and therefore rather selfish(and I am speaking as one from this class). We are the ones demanding more consumers and short brown men to mow our lawns. So maybe not outright minority status is necessary, but definitely being stripped of our ability to live a middle class lifestyle is most likely what it will take to wake up the rest of the White population. Who knows what kind of politics the high quality Whites will turn to then.

MoldyBuggy
MoldyBuggy
4 years ago

Respectable people are Progressive. Respectable people are “socially liberal, fiscally conservative.” Respectable whites are the GOP. The DR of course isn’t respectable, there’s a reason no one uses their names. Z you are wishing. Aloud. This can’t go anywhere you can accept, so we’ll just have snark online and “be reasonable”. Reasonable people are only useful as good citizens of a stable, sane regime. Ours desires our extinction. Reasonable people in the face of their own extinction are worse than useless. As it happens they may well learn to survive – unreasonably – but that will all come from the… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
4 years ago

I’m more forgiving of Rockwell, Pierce, and the rest. Given that they knew then what we know now, could you have executed a plan more likely to succeed at that time?

Our extremists are necessary to probe the confines of our prison for paths out.

Even Rockwell’s costume Nazism was a conscious strategy to get the monopoly media to cover him and communicate his views.

Their excesses did not set up back, relative to the heroic examples they provided. If they had not made their attempts, we never would have heard of them, and our current oppression would be the same.

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LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

There’s some truth in what you’re saying, but if I had to bet on who provides us with a breakthrough, I’d bet on Mike Enoch or Matt Parrott over Patrick Casey or Nick Fuentes. (And I donate to AIM.)

I’m willing to let a thousand flowers bloom, but the optics guys are not.

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SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

I have been impressed with the roll out of the NJP. They sound like they have learned some lessons, at the very least. Somebody will have to absorb the barbs and slings eventually to make the breakthrough. It is distasteful in the extreme, but whites need cannon fodder. I think we all agree that rittenhouse went like lamb to slaughter. Certainly we would have strenuously advised him against it. He prevailed and was a disaster for antifa and their masters. Lol- a dead jewish pedophile. Makes me believe in Divine Providence.

Johnny
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Do you think a breakthrough is over 10 years away? Or 20 even? It is like predicting a cure for diabetes the 10 years away is used but not known for sure but people often say at least 10 years off.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Liberals lined up in front of gun stores to buy guns for the first time is a clear indication that we are all thinking the same thing. This is an intended consequence, in my estimation.

Johnny
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Yeah that sounds 15 to 20 years off at least. Baby Boomers will be in their 80’s in 2030’s decade and the Generation Z will come of age then. Id guess that decade will be when the pendulum swings the other way more rapidly.

Maus
Maus
4 years ago

What history has taught us is that white populism doesn’t lead to pro-white identity politics; but to anti-elite sentiment born of our weariness with the antics of their pet negroes’ antics. How is it that a small, enslaved minority with a collective IQ more than one standard deviation below average has managed to become such an omnipresent thorn in the side of American life? If they aren’t sent to Liberia en masse, as was once contemplated; then another Endlosung will present itself. Apparently, their lives “matter” until they don’t; and we’re rapidly reaching the tipping point once again.

George E.
George E.
4 years ago

I still can’t believe that Rockwell wasn’t an infiltrator. The guy wasn’t stupid–he went to Brown University! But to wear the uniform of the enemy in a recent war–the optics are so bad. Greg Johnson, who is a very smart guy, thinks he was a fed.

A number of our guys have noticed that a technique in left-wing movies is to have a terrible-optics character recite actual (often true) right-wing talking points, in order to create bad associations for the ideas.

GLR seems to be an example of this in real life.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  George E.
4 years ago

I’d read that Rockwell original career was in marketing. I too have a hard time believing that he thought that marketing himself as a Nazi would be a winning strategy.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
4 years ago

Revolutions are not fought and won by those worried about their 401k.The American Revolution was not really a revolution as a civil war. Many of the “Founders” were either smugglers or had other financial interests in independence. Part of the reason the US Constitution was adopted.Whoever bought the junk bonds of the states did very well once the central government assumed them.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  George E.
4 years ago

Pierce had discussed Rockwell’s approach with Rockwell himself. Rockwell said the respectable approach had failed as evidenced by the John Birch Society. Pierce himself was a member of the JBS and realized Rockwell had a point even if he (Pierce) still thought it wasn’t the way to go.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  skeptic16
4 years ago

Those guys were too far ahead of the times as the US well into the time of David Duke was 85% White. You could go an entire life without every seeing anyone who wasn’t basically “White” and it wasn’t though unreasonable that the issue Black vs White could be dealt with in some way. Had we stopped immigration and most importantly managed too keep marriage intact we’d have had no problems beyond our ability to handle. We were unable to do those things or chose not to and by end of the Cold War the US lost any reason to… Read more »

brunob
brunob
Reply to  George E.
4 years ago

simplest form of controlled opposition

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
4 years ago

There’s a pattern here that basically says “we need to save the movement from going down that track yet again.” I see it in a fundamentally different way. We need people to just do their thing and have a good time doing it. The coming financial implosion from our hollowed out mess of an economy will change things faster than anyone realizes. Millions of minds will be focused on their own economic survival. Carefully crafted elite/media narratives won’t make it in that environment. This isn’t 1965, or 75, 85 or even 95. There was always gas left in the tank… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
4 years ago

Unfortunately, white nationalism remains such a fringe movement, a force cutting into such severe headwinds, that it is bound to attract quite a few eccentrics. It takes an unusual person, indeed, to willingly adopt an ideology that is so consistently and harshly reviled in one’s own country. It is so much easier to simply bend with the wind and be carried along with the tide. Those of us posting on this blog have chosen to take the path of greatest resistance. This certainly doesn’t make us wrong, but it does make us abnormal in a sense.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Yeah. It is entirely true that the set of attributes that are rewarded in the corporate world are entirely out of phase with the set of attributes associated with dissident politics. Entrepreneurs may be less out of phase, but I dunno.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
4 years ago

I read an article or saw on Tucker, I forget which, that Lindsey Graham is the person who talked Trump into giving Woodward an interview (or a series of interviews). What a snake. With friends like that… These people are all snakes. It is why Trump can’t anything done except what they want him to do. At least he has more or less kept us out of any wars.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

Trump is the one who didn’t hang up on Graham. He’s too stupid to keep out of even the most exposed bear trap.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

For someone with supposed business acumen, Trump has a notoriously bad record of judging people. Almost seems by design. I can’t even spin a 5D chess explanation to give it a positive spin. Remember this when someone boasts about all the judiciary appointments Trump has made.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

No prez in US history has faced the sort of headwinds Trump has. He is literally one man battling an army of pit-fiends.

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
4 years ago

I think a lot of people notice that the elites ostensible attempts to address evil are both motivated by a greater evil and result in greater evils. I read that Goodwhite book “The Help” (don’t read it) just to see what the fuss was about. Ostensibly it’s about a woman born in an unjust culture who notices the injustice of that world as an adult, which she overlooked as a child. But the result of her crusade is to market a book to a New York agent (named Elaine Stein) about a black woman who defecates into a chocolate pie… Read more »

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Joey Jünger
4 years ago

Nope. None of those parties had good intentions. Do not project your own good nature and morality onto our enemies. They want you dead, your women enslaved, and your children raped. There is no accident there, no unintended bad consequences. Every last one of ’em. They mean every word when they scream that they will kill you.

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
4 years ago

The alt-right tapped into that, but like prior white nationalist spasms, this one was overrun by eccentrics and criminals. This time, the preppy airhead, Richard Spencer, was the clown prince used by the Left in their presentations. The sad thing about Spencer is that he actually had some talent. I’ve never seen him lose a debate. If he’d stuck with that approach, he might have ended up doing his movement some good. These days, he conducts himself as if he’s worried there’s someone, somewhere in the world that doesn’t think he’s an asshole. He mostly seems to be interested in… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
4 years ago

Its important to remember that Spencer absolutely terrified the Left at first. A good looking, articulate White advocate was the personification of their nightmares.

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

At first? Our enemies still think he’s the ring leader of all bad whites. I’d put money on him being the target of at least three different federal stings. A good chunk of this new round of money that the feds are getting to find the Nazis under the bed is probably aimed at him.

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 years ago

Which only makes him a lighting rod to any future movement

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
4 years ago

I think he got tired of waiting around and wanted to DO something. Ultimately, Spencer was a thought leader who liked to pontificate and not a big man caudillo type.

ExPraliteMonk
ExPraliteMonk
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
4 years ago

The sad thing about Spencer is that he actually had some talent. I’ve never seen him lose a debate.

I’d rather be led by someone who never loses a fight.

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Lady Dandy Doodle
Lady Dandy Doodle
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
4 years ago

Spencer is a certifiable psychopath–he got bored with what he was doing, so he crapped the bed and has now gone of the deep end.

Exile
Exile
4 years ago

The logical way out of this trap is something William Pierce recognized, but was never able to implement. That is, white populism needs to be channeled into a bourgeois politics that attracts high quality people who understand the problem is the system itself, rather than the office holders. In other words, it borrows the central insights of white nationalism, but provides it with a cultural and historical framework that appeals to the mass of middle-class white people. TLDR version – “American First serious optics guys” like Casey & Fuentes. They’re welcome to try but events are already racing ahead of… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I think the drumbeat on this is that “our thing,” the words being exclusionary in themselves, needs to be carefully curated by those in “our thing.” But not just anyone, people who understand “optics” and political positioning. To carefully coax the squirrels (normies) into your hand to eat the bread crumbs. And then what? At some point you have to say something like “you know, we just can’t live around nig ger s.” And then the squirrel darts away, leaving you back where you started. OR, alternatively, we can all be our authentic selves, with a devil-may-care attitude. I think… Read more »

Jimminy Cricket
Jimminy Cricket
4 years ago

The media creates reality. Until ethnic whites control their own media they will never be able to set up a positive narrative for themselves and a significant majority of them will remain self-hating. There is no brilliant political/optical maneuver that whites can pull off to overcome this handicap. What is more, the Jews are an intelligent people and there is no way whites will be able to trick them out of their media monopoly. Basically all whites can do is attempt to ride out history and survive as a racial remnant of what they were. All whites can do is… Read more »

George Sedaca
George Sedaca
Reply to  Jimminy Cricket
4 years ago

I agree with what you said about the media being the control mechanism.
But the system will never fail. The jews will simply transform the FED into a global digital currency system, the NWO they will operate from Israel.
I’m not saying they won’t pull out all the stops. They might even starve people into submission or do mass murder. But their system won’t actually be “failing,” as every move they make tightens the noose on the necks of white Christians worldwide.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Jimminy Cricket
4 years ago

Couldn’t agree more with your assessment of the media … they can create any crisis that they want to create (think COVID) and stifle any dissent. Since they control the mic, its nigh unto impossible to broadcast this dire situation, so the only recourse is to work locally and discuss these things with friends and co-workers. I think that Trump’s media bashing (84 million followers on Twitter) has opened some eyes. Let’s build on that and mention that the Jews are WAAAYY over-represented in the media. Normies don’t realize that Mike Wallace and Chris Wallace are Jewish, as well as… Read more »

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Jimminy Cricket
4 years ago

Earl Raab, a Jewish academic and involved with many Jewish causes, let the cat out of the bag when he mentioned that, due to Jewish efforts, it is no longer possible for an Nazi-Aryan party to exist in the USA. That’s the post-WWII paranoia that motivates many Jews. Can you imagine the purposeful manipulation by a smallish cadre of academics, from the Frankfurt School until now, to re-align the body politic so that, via demographic replacement, Whites can no longer have the government that they would otherwise have? Maybe some see this as fanciful, but do the research and come… Read more »

Guest
Guest
4 years ago

An explicitly Pro-White political party will be shot down in a heartbeat as racist. It would be much smarter to encourage Hispanics to form a third party that is explicitly Pro-Hispanic. The population of Hispanics in the US is approximately 4X the population of Blacks, but Blacks dominate the power centers of the Democratic party. Witness the demand to nominate a Black woman as VP. The US has had a two-party system ever since Jefferson and Adams had their little tiff, but the two parties have always been based on differences in ideology within the context of a racially homogeneous… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Guest
4 years ago

Rhetorically, the Left always speaks of “blacks and browns.” Neither of those groups can stand one another. The left-wing coalition is tenuous and always one incident away from implosion. Nonetheless, no part of the left-wing coalition is a reliable ally. We eventually will have a party dedicated to White interests, and, yes, it will be greatly resisted. But it is inevitable. Long term, though, there is no political solution under the current arrangement. We need to look at any and all politics as a short term strategy.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Guest
4 years ago

“The population of Hispanics in the US is approximately 4X the population of Blacks”

Blacks are 12-13% of the population. So Hispanics are 48-52%?

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Sightly off-topic but related to the Mooga-types:

Notice how no one on the Left has attempted to de-motivate Trump supporters, despite the obvious opportunity to do so? Likewise, Trump has not exploited the divides on the Left to the extent that he did four years ago.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Meme, the entire past four years has been nothing if not a massive, well-funded, pervasive, ongoing effort to de-motivate Trump supporters. It has also been a total failure: NOTHING—and I mean NOTHING, no matter how extreme or well executed—has been able to dent Trump’s base of support. It’s really quite astonishing, especially in view of how successful such campaigns have been in the past. With Trump it appears to be some kind of new ball game.

Last edited 4 years ago by Jim Smith
MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

I have to respectfully disagree.

”Orange Man Bad” was never going to work. “Orange Man refused to protect his own supporters” would.

The Leftists are unable to see through their own cognitive dissonance enough to actually use the later.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

The Leftists are unable to see through their own cognitive dissonance enough to actually use the later.

The Left are so far gone they actually think Trump has done wonders for his base.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

The biggest demotivates of Trump supporters has been Trump himself.

SixxSigma
SixxSigma
4 years ago

Several years ago, some paintings were produced which depicted white women in demeaning roles. Here, as nail salon attendants.

https://images.app.goo.gl/HTrGjshDm4PFUH5NA

The intent of the artist here was obviously vindictive and malicious, but I’m afraid a return to this manner of work is what may be required of us.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  SixxSigma
4 years ago

I dream of a return to the day when my people can make an honest living being a working stiff.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
4 years ago

It used to be that way. Before the financialization of everything required that “working stiff” wages be kept low (and housing/education/health care prices kept high) and resulting in constant, mass immigration to perpetuate the system.

Alzaebo
Reply to  SixxSigma
4 years ago

That made me mad. Those snotty twats at O magazine are spitting on poor women who’re doing the best they can with a slender reed.
Good grief, what obnoxious c**ts.