The Failed Experiment Problem

At the end of the Cold War, Progressives pointed out that conservatism no longer had a purpose, so it was probably going to follow communism into the past. Of course, the Left had its own problems in this regard, but conservatism in America had largely been about opposing the Soviets. They had conceded all the important points in the cultural war and the Left was ready to embrace corporate control of the economy, so there was no longer any purpose to conservatism.

This was a fair analysis, but one conservatives could not accept, as it would mean getting real jobs and doing honest work. Instead they tried to define conservatism as green eye-shade bean counting in the 1990’s. That was no fun as they like spending borrowed money as much as the Left. Then they tried to define conservatism to mean dropping high explosives onto Muslims. That worked for a while, but then the public soured on the pointless flag waving and hollow patriotism.

In the Obama years, conservatism entered the darkness and it has not been able to find a way out of it ever since. They tried to rally people around hating Trump, but that just underscored the bankruptcy of modern conservatism. Since then, various writers have been trying to figure out what conservatism is supposed to mean in the age of post-national globalism. The one enduring feature of the Right has been its roots in nationalism, so without that, it has no anchor.

This summer, the American Conservative has been running pieces on the topic from various writers. Here’s one from July doing the old constitution bit. Here’s one relying on historicism to define conservatism. A couple of Israelis contributed a piece claiming conservatism is a big shopping mall. This one makes the Straussian argument that conservatism is rooted in natural rights. Along the same lines, Yoram Hazony posted a long piece at Quillette about the dangers of Marxism.

The main take-sway from all of this is that no one in conservatism has the slightest idea how to breathe life into the corpse of their project. If they are unwilling to reject universalism and egalitarianism, they cannot embrace nationalism, other than as a shallow rhetorical device. Yoram Hazony has turned himself into a pretzel trying to promote a nationalism detached from biological reality. Everyone else is too afraid to go near anything that contradicts Progressive dogma on biology.

The truth is, the closest America ever came to having a genuine conservative alternative to Northern Progressivism ended in the Civil War. Since then the dynamic in America has been the Left innovating and the Right implementing. The Left, needing to exercise its reform impulse, finds something to break with novel ideas. The Right then comes in to clean up after them, finding some way to normalize it. The Robert Lewis Dabney observation is has never ceased to be true.

This is why whatever replaces conservatism as the alternative to the Progressive orthodoxy has to free of conservatism. It must be a clean break with that failed tradition of accommodation and obedience. A genuine alternative, a real competitor to the Left, has to be a stand-alone moral framework, rather than just a collection of criticisms and critiques of the liberal moral order. A critique is just a conditional agreement. That’s always been conservatism, agreement with conditions.

This may prove to be easiest in Europe, as Europeans have a genuine conservatism in their past they can pull out of storage. It may have failed under the pincer assault of Marxism and liberal democracy, but it offers a foundation to build on. Like an old house with good bones, it can be rebuilt with modern ideas and understandings. The failings of liberal democracy now make it a weaker foe than in the past. Liberal democracy is no longer about promise, but about practice.

For Americans, the task is difficult, as it means jettisoning most of the American story, maybe even the very concept of American. The frontier culture that has always been at the root of American mythology no longer makes a lot of sense in the demographic age with high-density urban areas. Rugged independence is suicidal when facing a demographic assault. There’s also the fact that the past has been rewritten to support the egalitarianism and universalism of the Left.

Then there is that American creed that starts with the assertion that all men are created equal, endowed with inalienable rights. The rejection of universal equality is a rejection of the core component of Americanism. This is the trap that devoured Buckley style conservatism in the last century. It is simply impossible to forge an alternative to Progressivism without first rejecting universal equality. To American ears, that sounds like a rejection of their very identity.

It is not impossible though. Events are what forge ideologies and the demographic changes sweeping North America will forge new political constructs. Organizing civil life in a world where the government is no longer willing or able to control the frontier or police the violent elements will require new ideologies. Most likely that means a return to the oldest form of social organization, which is relatedness. The large society problem will be solved with racial and ethnic identity.

Ultimately, that is the project facing the West. Liberalism, communism and to a lesser degree fascism, were all solutions to the large society problem. Liberal democracy is the current experiment in solving the problem. The real alternative to the prevailing order starts with accepting that these experiences have all failed. They failed because there is no solution to the problem, other than a passive ethno-nationalism organized around group identity and rights.

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Felix Krull
Member
1 month ago

This was a fair analysis, but one conservatives could not accept, as it would mean getting real jobs and doing honest work.

http://images.rapgenius.com/ea92169d33defb121c3f940a3aee4bbc.585x642x1.jpg

Federalist
Federalist
1 month ago

What do you mean by a passive ethno-nationalism?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

I have disagreements with Greg Johnson, but he is absolutely correct on his central point: the case for Whites is a moral one. This isn’t to say a post-United States America will be achieved without conflict, possibly violent because communists don’t cede territory passively, but your point that it cannot be endless conflicts with others is well-taken. The Whites’ state-sanctioned enemies have made the moral case. Each burning, each beating, each murder, while so-called law enforcement has sided with the criminals, has shown this is a moral case. This is not an argument for submission to violence, but using what… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

I think some of the components of a moral case are right out there in the open now. The BLM/Antifah crowd has been making their argument about “black lives matter” using a laundry list of criminals as their martyrs of choice. And they’ve been rioting and burning and looting, all with the acquiescence of a good part of the power structure – because they would like you to think that we’ve finally reached some historical inflection point where they can make the moral argument that whitey has been oppressing blackie – and it has to stop. If you look at… Read more »

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

calsdad said: “The BLM/Antifah crowd has been making their argument about “black lives matter” using a laundry list of criminals as their martyrs of choice.” Auster’s First Law of Majority-Minority Relations in Liberal Society: “The worse any designated minority or alien group behaves in a liberal society, the bigger become the lies of Political Correctness in covering up for that group.” Corollary: “The more egregiously any non-Western or non-white group behaves, the more evil WHITES are made to appear for noticing and drawing rational conclusions about that group’s bad behavior.” Conclusion: “The First Law and its corollary are intrinsic to… Read more »

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diconez
diconez
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

in short, martyrdom remains important.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

It’s the borders part where the rubber meets the road – and where various versions of conflict could arise. That said, many communities already have carved out parts of cities for themselves without much or any violence. Regardless, the path forward seems clear: Normalize and then legalize freedom of association for Whites (everybody else already has this) Form White communities, political groups, cultural groups, schools, etc. Gain more and more political autonomy Homeland If I live to see steps 1 and 2, I’d be very happy and, frankly surprised, i.e. this is a very, very long process. In my lifetime,… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

Whether its revanchist Damn Yankee/Good White holdouts, Neo Reds or someone else, there will be war sooner or later. And note while this is not a peon for more immigration (I’m a repatriation guy) Whites and Hispanics in many areas get along far better than Good Whites and Deplorables every have. We are our own worst enemies. Ultimately the way things are configured, a genocidal multi-ethnic political war is inevitable. There are very few ways if any to split FUSA into contiguous States that don’t involve pogrom. Assuming Our Thing comes out with a win, this means the new State… Read more »

Reactionary Utopian
Reactionary Utopian
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

Ultimately the way things are configured, a genocidal multi-ethnic political war is inevitable. There are very few ways if any to split FUSA into contiguous States that don’t involve pogrom. And there’s the difficulty, maybe the intractable difficulty. Everybody likes to draw up fantasy maps, but the cultures are too well mixed everywhere. And, you know … if you plot everyone on a frequency distribution over intelligence, or industriousness, or the willingness to regard the other guy’s stuff as his, you get these normal distributions. Bell curves. The negroes are shifted to the left of the whites by a standard… Read more »

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Reactionary Utopian
1 month ago

There are complications. We are so far away from Whitopia that it’s almost futile to talk about it in any detail. The battle at this point is one mind at a time. Adam Haner, the white man who got knocked out in Portland with a sucker kick to the head by a vicious spear administrator who was wearing a “Security” t-shirt has regained consciousness after two days in a coma and says that he had marched with BLM in the past. He says he’s not seeking vengeance for the attack and is leaving it to “karma” to set things right.… Read more »

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Joel
Joel
Reply to  Reactionary Utopian
1 month ago

IMO, the answer is that we have a set of standards in Whitopia, disparate impact is protected constitutionally, and people who adhere to those standards for a number of years can become citizens.

Their children will revert to the mean, but it shouldn’t be a huge shift, and we’ll filter out the worst by the initial denial of citizenship to people who fail to meet our standards.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Federalist
1 month ago

The second question is, does this allow for some diversity? A Korean manicurist here, a Mexican laborer there. But still an ethnic super-majority, and the Korean & Mexican had better assimilate?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Marko
1 month ago

How has that worked out? It may be necessary, at least initially, but I don’t think it would have a different ending. I’m open to contrary arguments but my initial reaction is “no.”

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

I have to disagree. Its not first gen immigrants that cause problems. Not even the illegal ones really. The massive damage is inflicted by their children. Devoid of any real roots of their own, second generation immigrants (and mixed race people) are the perfect communists, literally shorn of their nations and and left economic units. Its no wonder many end up like African Americans with racial grievances instead of a cultural history and degenerate consumerism as a replacement for self expression. The only identity possible is negative. We can have immigrants but they must go back within their lifetimes and… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Tykebomb
1 month ago

It’s an academic question at this point – we’re decades short of being able to enforce these kinds of policies – but the thing to keep in mind is that we don’t need immigrants who stay for decades. Short-term for things like tourism and legitimate cultural contact yes, but unless someone is marrying a citizen, there just isn’t a need or a compelling interest in allowing any kind of long-term immigration. In the short-mid-term we’re going to have to accommodate the rainbow-poz cities and tolerate more mixing at the fringes because we don’t have the power to say otherwise. For… Read more »

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Moss
Member
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

For now focus on developing White core areas that will be the nuclei for a network we can build out from.

Physically investing in White communities, yes! But also the language and pride of culture. We must begin pressing back on those around us that are actively and passively destroying White individuals. We’ve given up too much ground in language, culture, etc.

Building in the physical realm is certainly key. But we can begin right this minute to begin training ourselves to think White, speak White, dream White, and love White!

Royaliste
Royaliste
Reply to  Moss
1 month ago

Hear, hear!

Member
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

Yep, I think these are all interesting things to argue over but people in this thread are getting way out ahead of themselves. We’ve got a whole civilization to rebuild and we need (sorry for the corp-speak) a core team for that project. Right now, whites themselves are the biggest problem, or rather I should say GoodWhites. Before we start any pogroms against other groups we need to (re)develop our own core tribal group and values. We need to start our own march through the institutions and begin to un-person and remove GoodWhites wherever we find them. Everyone who knows… Read more »

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Tykebomb
1 month ago

Its not first gen immigrants that cause problems…The massive damage is inflicted by their children.  Exactly. A person who immigrates as an adult knows who and what he is and views the new society as an outside observer, just as a tourist would. But the children grow up in and really only know the new society. Unlike the first generation immigrant, they are in some ways part of the new society but are still alienated from it. It used to be popular to say immigrants are OK so long as they assimilate. Now, when they assimilate they are assimilating our… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Federalist
1 month ago

The eternal magic buzzword of ‘assimilation.’ Historically this was achieved by killing off the men and breeding with the local women (proven by numerous genetic studies). Today, the Mohammedan neighbor who wears jeans and eats pizza is termed assimilated. So, too, Jewish neighbors who even have a Christmas tree. And Chinese friends are so nice, they go to church (a Chinese one, of course) and speak accent-free English. Genuine modern-day assimilation means generations of adaptation and intermarriage. Instead of numericans, the result is always some new melange.

Septeus7
Septeus7
Reply to  Tykebomb
1 month ago

I’ll add my 2 cents. I’m half Mestizo or 75%+ white ala a 39 year old Nick Fluentes type and I think there are several factors on which side mixed race people go towards. A father in home make big difference in life and outcomes and political outlook. My parents were silent generation so my outlook is more conservation other mixed race individuals so think the tendency towards the left is because immigrants tend left. I look very white and Z-Man is right. It is a Skins game and the more white looking a mixed person is the more likely… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Septeus7
1 month ago

I’ve found that most “Hispanics” whose families arrived prior to Hart/Celler look like well-tanned Whites and don’t speak a lick of Spanish.

Dude Vegas
Dude Vegas
Reply to  Septeus7
1 month ago

Racial purity in America is rare and unworkable. Our game is a skins game with a link to demonstrated group tendencies. I am effed in a sense. My genetic tests, under an alias through legal counsel, prove I am soley of N’west European biology. My name, however, is highly ethnic Caucasian as in from the Caucasus Mountains and a race as dark in general as the Kardashians (hint). I am a bastard, which everybody including me knew when I was very young. I screwed up the courage to ask mom when I was ten and we both knew she was… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Dude Vegas
1 month ago

So this is pretty much your ethnic background?

https://youtu.be/rTmL4goF4nA

Dude Vegas
Dude Vegas
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

Good shot. There is a clear demarcation between West Coast and the rest of us in terms of intelligence, standards and behavior. But regrettably you have accurately captured something to be held at arm’s length. Peace out.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Tykebomb
1 month ago

Strongly disagree. Any generation immigrants are a problem (legal or illegal is yet another shell game; I’ve been a visa officer and about 95% of those who are ‘legal’ became so via illegal means and talmudstry). They come not for ‘muh freedumbs’ but for money and stuff. There is no skill, no talent, no ability, available out among the world that we cannot provide for ourselves.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

There doesn’t seem to be any standard short of a terrorism conviction that can keep out immigrants from the chain-migration or diversity-lottery visa programs.

Moss
Member
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

There is no skill, no talent, no ability, available out among the world that we cannot provide for ourselves.

Amen. I’m willing to shut down the importation long enough to find out. I’d say 20 generations of White will do it.

b123
b123
Reply to  Tykebomb
1 month ago

Yup. See it over and over again in Toronto.

1st gen immigrant is a decent guy. His kids despise me and all whites. Public school doesn’t help.

All immigration must stop as well as birthright citizenship.

Dude Vegas
Dude Vegas
Reply to  b123
1 month ago

The problem in Toronto is white women. Worst ever anywhere.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Tykebomb
1 month ago

May I ask where you live? Because around here crime (particularly human trafficing, meth, heroin, carjackings, home invasions, not to mention identity fraud) would be almost non-existant except for the Brazilian and Dominican immigrants. And that’s separate from the welfare abuse.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

It is always going to be risky, but diversity should be like spices – enough to add flavor, but not enough to overpower. In other words, limits. I don’t see why, if we had country immigration quotas in the past, we can’t have them now. It is really about the will to enforce it. But, my solution would simply be freedom of association. If you want a white bread mayonnaise sandwich town, you are free to have it. If you want the curry with one pepper, fine. If you want the five pepper curry, go for it. And let nature… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  c matt
1 month ago

You let the camel nose under the tent and you will always get the camel in the tent with you on the outside…You really think the other races have any tendencies towards letting white people just live their lives and not bothering them…Just Say No…

Michael
Michael
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

Look around the US. Mostly, the only gringos who exhibit any racial solidarity in voting are those who live with blacks. Whitopian gringos are nearly universally clueless moderates or progressives. OTOH in Texas, Mississippi, etc whitey votes whitey 70%+. Doesnt this suggest that whitey is too dumb to live in utopia? Or, to be fair, a utopia whose media messaging is nearly universally universal, equalitarian, civnat, and anti-white?

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Michael
1 month ago

I think most white men voted Trump(stand in for white party candidate), it’s the white women(those that aren’t married) they’re the problem, I might be mistaken.

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Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

I think you’re correct on that. But that points to white men not being able to control their women.

And it’s why I think that Heartiste’s site was one of the most critical resources out there for getting men’s minds right.

If you can get your mind right about women, then you can get your mind right about a lot of other things.

It was big loss when he was memory holed.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

Perhaps we really are fragile. I see Heartiste on Gab but there is no valid reason he couldn’t spawn another site. Yet he hasn’t done so.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

Michael said: “Mostly, the only gringos who exhibit any racial solidarity in voting are those who live with blacks.”
White women not supporting Trump doesn’t seem to apply for the kind of people “who live with blacks.” At least in places like Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, white women will support Trump only a little less than white men will.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Federalist
1 month ago

Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama
Look at the marriage rates in those areas.

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Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Michael
1 month ago

I’ve always wondered about this. I suppose in Whiteopia, it’s easier to buy into the progressive narrative and assume real blacks are like the ones you see on TV. But what about places outside of the Deep South where there are a lot of blacks? Is it that the blacks are concentrated in the cities so that the whites in more rural areas aren’t exposed to blacks very much?

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Federalist
1 month ago

Those blacks can defend themselves from other hordes of their own kin, it’s not whites who’ll bother them. Whites will leave them alone, they have the right to live a segregated life from whites(same applies to whites who wanna separate from blacks) & take care of themselves & their own families.
Basically every race has the right to self governate.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

Basically every race has the right to self governate.
Yea but only the white race can do so effectively without any help from any other race…

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Lineman
1 month ago

Truth be told we don’t know. Cause after whites industrialized the planet everyone has been under they rule, more or less.
For example american blacks can’t go back to jungle life, they have no skills for such things.
We know what happened in Africa with farms after whites left, but those africans had their roots intact, they were never truly domesticated.
Alabama blacks are very different from african blacks & they love Jesus, that’s why I’m 50/50 on them.
Koreans & japs don’t need whites at all.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

Koreans & japs don’t need whites at all.
Well then let’s stop funding them and we can see if they can make it on their own…

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

Marko asked if passive ethno-nationalism allows, “for some diversity? A Korean manicurist here, a Mexican laborer there. But still an ethnic super-majority.” Jack answered “no.” I disagree, based on Tykebomb’s observation that “citizenship must be determined by blood.” Non-citizens can’t vote. Thus, so long as social norms comprehensively enforced, the spice of diversity shouldn’t be banned. (Those of you who object, see the word “comprehensively” above; immediate and permanent ejection/banishment would be the response to violation of ethno-nationalistic norms: You can’t live here anymore.)

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MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Jim Smith
1 month ago

Perhaps better to not admit them in the first place than to be permanently policing them?

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 month ago

Everyone gets equal policing. Those who violate the rules—no matter their ethnicity—get ejected. It worked for the ancient Greeks.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 month ago

Its the “grains versus pile” thing. At some indeterminate point, “spice” becomes permanent low level war with constant policing and vigilance. We have learned that coexistence with piles of sand means NKVD/CNT-FAI levels of violent, controlling retribution, or failing to keep that exhausting level of violence, 80,000+ of our women get raped by them every year and our cities get burned down every decade. That’s not a great choice. If “spice” is eventually allowed, it must be so minute and controlled that the grains of sand never become a pile of sand, because the only solution then is horrific.

Joel
Joel
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

I think we make an exception for Muslims. They have proven that they cannot coexist with anyone, including themselves.

Christina
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

Doesn’t work in democratic societies (or even democratic republics), especially with universal voting franchise.

For it to work under a voting scheme, tiered voting would be best, but no guarantee. With technology, tiered voting should be doable.

Basic, local and limited voting… like for city ordinances governing waste removal or zoning… could be open to all living in the area. Leadership and representative voting could be limited to people conferred membership by the community. A different tier for higher office voting, etc.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Christina
1 month ago

There’s two sides to the voting problem. One is who you let vote – and the other is what they are voting for. If you look at what the vast majority of people who are destroying the nation are voting for – it’s more “free shit” And I say “free shit” in all of it’s possible permutations. For women it’s free abortion and child care and job preferences. For blacks it’s welfare and job preferences and pretty much anything “free”. For Jews it’s more foreign aid for Israel – and laws against their prosecution for acting like enemy agents. For… Read more »

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Christina
1 month ago

Christina: democracy is the problem; it is the bug of western civ, not the feature.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

Well, a ridiculously capacious franchise is the problem. Democracy of a rather restricted type within an overwhelmingly white society would, I believe, work.

Joel
Joel
Reply to  Christina
1 month ago

Or you have a monarch instead of voting. It worked for millennia for Europeans and East Asians, and we have no reason to believe that it won’t work in the millennia to come.

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

We’d have to supplement with some (top tier) diversity in the beginning. Once we get an idea of where our birthrates are headed, we can close the gates. It would also help us maintain a facade of openness. We can’t let the mask drop all at once.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Lanky
1 month ago

We’d have to supplement with some (top tier) diversity in the beginning. 

Why?

We can’t let the mask drop all at once.

If we’re in a position to dictate immigration policy, who would we be hiding from?

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Marko
1 month ago

Then I suppose “passive ethno nationalism” can go either the white separatist way, or the super-majoritarian super-conformist way a-la 1950s America.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Marko
1 month ago

How’d that super-majoritarian path work out.

Proposition nations don’t work.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

Had we not threw open the gates in 1965, I suspect it would still be working reasonably well.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
1 month ago

And yet, we did.
The ethnostate must have inviolate safeguards against demographic destruction. The US Constitution did not.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Yes they didn’t think whites would become suicidal so they didn’t plan for that…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Lineman
1 month ago

A lesson we can learn from America’s demise.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Marko
1 month ago

More the conformism of the 1850’s, or maybe 1650’s. Those who don’t fit are removed, not “tolerated.” Tolerance is the devil’s argument for eventual acceptance, that has been tried and failed.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Marko
1 month ago

Yes.

But they don’t get citizenship and neither do their children. The moment they or their offspring commit crime or otherwise prove unfit for purpose, they’re deported.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Marko
1 month ago

Why would I want that?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Marko
1 month ago

This is how I’d do it. Rule one, There will very few new immigrants. The highest that makes sense is about 1/1000th of the population so place like I dunno Colorado Springs might have 400 immigrants and say Phoenix might have 1600 or so in the entire city. It will be point based with White and Right getting the highest points Second, if you act and look White, no one cares about the odd Hispanic, Amerind, Asian or whatever it the muddy US gene pool. The old paper bag test should be sufficient. Third, if we allow non Whites in… Read more »

Pete
Pete
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

Are you idiots shitting me? NO IMMIGRANTS. ZERO. Jesus Christ….

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Pete
26 days ago

Nothing is more black-pilling than going to a site that is considered natzee, supreemacist, literally hitler, etc and see morons who are pro non-white immigration..

Meanwhile on the left, no one is going to argue over one of their core ideas.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Marko
1 month ago

I could accept up to 5% minorities, but no blacks, no Moslems, and perhaps no Jews. In such a scenario, minority couples would not be allowed to have more than two children. Breaking that rule would result in immediate expulsion from Whiteland.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

I’m not as strict give how many White people have something else in the bloodline.
Also don’t want any government ,mine included running about policing family size.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

Assuming you’re genetically white, the guv wouldn’t be policing your reproduction.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

I don’t care. Nobody gets to do that. If we can’t get our people to have kids in a environment set up for it and where we are overwhelmingly in the majority but others are having babies than we deserve extinction. Besides a lot of putative White people have a bit of other anyway. I don’t give a fig about some guy who is 1/4 Indio, 1/4 Ute or 1/16 Japanese. I don’t really care about the errant passing Octoroon that slips through and is not subverting our society for that matter. This is as much tribal as anything. I’m… Read more »

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Are you going to test everyone? No thanks.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

Assuming genetic testing is reliable, yes. If you’re 51% white, you’re in like Flint.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Ostei Kozelskii said: ” In such a scenario, minority couples would not be allowed to have more than two children. Breaking that rule would result in immediate expulsion from Whiteland.”

Hahaha.You know, that Apartheid thing is a lot of paperwork. Why do you want minorities in whitopia in the first place? Save yourself the trouble and the trees and just keep them out.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Official Bologna Tester
1 month ago

I don’t want them necessarily, but in the quantities I’m talking about they can do no harm. What’s more, they provide a bit of political cover for potential trading partners.

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Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Marko
1 month ago

Marko said: “A Korean manicurist here, a Mexican laborer there. ”

Aren’t there any white people on this planet that can buff nails and trim hedges?

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
1 month ago

“This one makes the Straussian argument that conservatism is rooted in natural rights. ” The idea of natural rights is the most poisonous idea of the enlightenment. It’s literally the most progressive idea one can have. ““The best reason for asserting so bluntly that there are no such rights is indeed of precisely the same type as the best reason which we possess for asserting that there are no witches and the best reason which we possess for asserting that there are no unicorns: every attempt to give good reasons for believing that there are such rights has failed. The eighteenth-century philosophical defenders of natural… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

Be wary of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Nearly all the people who post here are American or European. Virtually none have any experience living in a pre-enlightenment civilization that doesn’t recognize the existence of unalienable human rights.

It is fine to criticize the progressive paradigm, but don’t romanticize what life was like before the enlightenment. Almost all of us, statistically, would be on the bottom, and we wouldn’t much like it.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

I read that within about two years of the Norman invasion, every single asset in Britain had changed hands so to speak. That seems likely here too, with the judas goat whites naively thinking that darky won’t put them in his cooking pot.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Transition of capital & military bases from british empire to USA can be summed up as Rotschild family moving to USA. Where are they gonna move next? That’s their problem, they need USA, they need an empire to move to. China was supposed to be their new HQ, they built it up, starting with the opium wars when the Sassoon family(jews ofc) became the first drug dealers. But current chinese leadership trusts them not. Russians learned their lesson. There’s no one there to take the global financiers in. If USA collapses cause of too much vibrant diversity, then jews are… Read more »

Boom Shakalakka
Boom Shakalakka
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

In which case, I might be willing to murder every single f_cking jew in cold blood I could find. Just feel I owe to them.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
1 month ago

If US collapses there will be no need, the vibrant races of New York know the Brooklyn jews are filthy rich.
If not for the cops guarding the jews what do you think is gonna happen?

Boom Shakalakka
Boom Shakalakka
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

I hate them with every scintilla of my being. Based on having formerly associated with them and even confused as one of them sufficient to hear them talk about us.

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sentry
sentry
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
1 month ago

was even confused as one of them sufficient to hear them talk about us.
I only communicated with a few on the internet, they’re worse than sjws.
I can only imagine how much it enraged you being around such people.

Boom Shakalakka
Boom Shakalakka
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

I look somewhat like Trump. But I used to wear a high-quality kippah when attending Jewish events — bar/bat mitzvah, fund raisers, weddings, etc. because a portion of my business depended on dealing with them. The yarmulke still reposes somewhere in the back of my closet but I no longer accept business with them. In any case, it was horrible to listen to their scheming hatred for us goy. Particularly Christians, first and foremost they absolutely _loathe_ devout Christians with intensity of the sun. They have it coming.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

I went to a mostly Jewish high school. I had a lot of Jewish friends. I don’t think they’re evil incarnate, but they’re tribal and they put their tribe’s interests ahead of gentiles. I can’t really fault them for that, but I don’t have to lie down for it. All it would take to displace Jewish power in the US was for White gentile people to realize that they have their own interests and that there is no harm in promoting them.

We had a Christian nation and we deserve to have one again.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

I really don’t care about the “jews are like us” talk. I’ve seen lovable people in all sorts races & religions. Does that mean anything? You can have this talk from different perspectives. From an ideological pov(the most important one actually) is that jewish doctrine exists to justify slavery & to commit heinous acts, back in the old days people converted to judaism cause they wanted to sin, christianity did not tolerate such twisted people. From historical pov I know the jewish modus operandi, how they always betray the populations that hosts them. From a racial pov, I know every… Read more »

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Christian Nation? Ugh.
Woke is at its core a mutated Protestant strain and most of the immigration comes not from Jews but Lutherans and Catholics.
Unless some kind of muscular Christian strain really takes off, most of what passes for Christian these days is Judeo Christian cuckery and part of the problem.
And yes I know this increases the cost of social capital and risks of moral decay. It is what it is.
Besides a few centuries most people will be Amish anyway ;

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
1 month ago

well, then, pick a federal judge and go kamikaze on them.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Shut up.
We don’t even as a joke suggest illegal acts around here. Period, the end.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Karl, You are a complete dumbass. Go fuck up somebody else’s web site.

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Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
26 days ago

The z-man regularly mentions the evil anti-semites…

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

A certain Bad Man wrote in the 20s that if they succeeded in creating their own state, it would merely be a bolthole to escape to when their crimes were discovered.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

It was William who first introduced the jews to Britain. With the expectation that they would assist in the theft.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Before the idea of Universal Human Rights, it was understood that a community gave you a set of rights in return for fulfilling your duties as part of the community.
The idea of unalienable human rights disperses with this by giving rights with no responsibilities.
I would also add that the idea of human rights has not stopped anyone from putting their boots on the face of their citizens, sometimes while espousing the universality of human rights themselves.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

Chet said, “The idea of unalienable human rights disperses with this by giving rights with no responsibilities.” That’s what the Left asserts, but it ain’t so. Note the phrase “passive ethno-nationalism organized around group identity and rights.” The words “organized around” suggest rules that sit atop the foundations of “group identity and rights.” You violate the rules, you forfeit both your membership in the group AND your rights. (This fits even today’s “unalienable rights” paradigm: What real “rights” do convicts have as they live locked in their cages?)

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Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Jim Smith
1 month ago

The idea always was that you kept your universal rights as long as you did not infringe of the universal rights of others. Of course, it quickly devolves into an incoherent mess of which ‘universal’ rights are more important, especially as the definition broadens to absurdity.
That being said, I’m not thinking we really have a fundamental disagreement.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Vizzini, it would appear that the idea of unalienable human rights is included in the phrase, “a passive ethno-nationalism organized around group identity and rights.”

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Jim Smith
1 month ago

Fair enough, if that’s what he meant.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Jim Smith
1 month ago

No, they are not inalienable individual rights; they are rights derived from membership and acceptance into the group. Some groups are more capable, biologically, than others vis a vis delayed gratification, empathy, intelligence and judgment to have certain rights due to their group status; others less so, some not at all. Having a pulse and human form is not sufficient qualification to possess and use the means of determining questions of life and death. Jaquarivius needs a gun as much as he needs the right to vote, as he cannot be trusted with either.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

The point is not returning to the pre-Enlightenment. It’s that no one has ever succeeded in building a non-theological case for the existence of so-called natural rights. That Thomas Jefferson thought otherwise does not change the historical fact.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 month ago

That’s why even Jefferson prefaces it with “endowed by their Creator.” I am all for a theological case for human rights.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

I believe in a theological case for White rights, because we’re a special case. We’re the most successful experiment yet, of the many formed by Creation.

Universal human rights, based in mercy? Of course. I could not abide cruelty to animals- because I’m White.

I only wish them well, yet I don’t expect my dog to master Chopin.

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Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

The only theological argument for equalism and its subsidiary universal rights comes from the same side that says “the whole of the law is do as thou wilt.” The Lord says “And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats.” The nations are to be seperated until Judgment.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Not really. Most of humanity lives in or lived in conditions where rights are not a thing and are no more or less sinful than us.
This suggests God cares not.
Also none of that stuff is Biblical. Its excused Leftism on its face.

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

Not so. God almighty had rather a lot to say about those who oppress vulnerable classes of people or treat them unjustly. Reworded and recast this is nothing more or less than establishing the firm principle that people have a RIGHT to flourish and receive justice. Do we need to stipulate that “oppress” does not mean anything like the absurd SJW sense? Do we need to specify that rights are not “guarantees” in some kind of UN subcommittee sense? Of course rights in the “I have a right to force you to bake me cakes” or “I have a right… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 month ago

I would argue that neither has a good theological case been made.

b123
b123
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

We might not like it, but we will get it.

We’ll find out how it is soon.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

Hume, one of those Enlightenment chaps, gives the best, and so far unanswered, argument.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 month ago

MBlanc, summarize that, please, if you would. Interesting. I see theology as an expression of ethnicity.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

Vizzini’s right that trying to sell 21st century Americans and Europeans on pure anti-Enlightenment philosophy isn’t going to work. We will need a couple of generations to start sorting that out. On a long timeline we should our focus to protecting the natural rights of families and the needs and interests of the public at large for the future – not the individual’s desires right now. Getting people to accept bounded individualism is the necessary first step. Trim the excesses. It’s why I’ve always said gays/trannies are the wedge for rolling back Globoshlomo. They’re the most Other thing out there… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

Perhaps, perhaps not. Ignoring the froots of the Enlightenment is easy when you can turn off the computer or TV, pop a beer and go do something else. But when vibrants that shouldn’t be here start raping your women, chitting on your sidewalks, and shooting your kids… hearts and minds can turn on a dime and have done so before. If you threaten me and mine with those things…I will not wait around for generations for corrupt politicos to pull their head out of their arses. I will either move or start fighting now.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 month ago

All of these things are already happening.

Are you part of a strong IRL White majority community right now?

If you are, good job.

If not, keep in mind that most of the American Right has been saying what they’ll do someday all my life.

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Moss
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 month ago

G-
Right now, I watch the blue hives eating their own and their lucky citizens and it’s still “over there”. For now this is not encroaching my neighborhood but the powder keg is about 6 miles west of me.
Do an Area Study and draw some hard lines in your head about when you’ll act. I believe that if the situation demands you move or start fighting (expecting to survive), it’s too late to do either.

Felix Krull
Member
1 month ago

This may prove to be easiest in Europe, as Europeans have a genuine conservatism in their past they can pull out of storage. And because we have proportional representation. If you get 2-5% of the vote, nationwide, congratulations, you’re in parliament. My problem is this: there have been plenty of non-con alternatives in Europe already, but every time they’re voted within striking range of real power, they are subverted by the globalists. Examples are: The Danish People’s Party, The Norwegian Progress Party, the Sweden Democrats, UKIP and Front National – and those are just the one’s I’m sure about. How… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

Zman said, “any engagement in conventional politics should be limited to recruitment.”

I add, “And voting for Trump!”

(Oops. Sorry. I lost control there for a second.)

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Proportional Representation would be a net positive for us. I’m hoping that a state will try this in the coming years.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

It’s very important in the long run. The two party kosher sandwich system has been deadly effective in crushing effective dissent. We won’t get a shot at that until the major parties take more major damage though.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

Proportional Representation is something I could see the Left getting on board with, so long as they don’t think it’s our idea.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
1 month ago

An unexpected trip down south this past week was a pointed reminder just how much more enjoyable spending time surrounded by my Anglo/Scots-Irish brethren is.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 month ago

That’s why I advocate for what I do Brother because living amongst your own kind makes your life a lot better and it gives you the protection you need in case a crisis arises…When more people figure that out well then we will start moving in the direction we want…

Moss
Member
Reply to  Lineman
1 month ago

Amen. A family begets a neighbor begets a tribe begets a community…

North American Vespers
North American Vespers
1 month ago

I am 80s born, new father increasingly convinced that on our present course there will be no choice but to die holding a rifle.

Prove me wrong.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

I’d choose dying peacefully in white America, proud that I did not flee my country in its hour of greatest need, happy that I survived the bloody struggle, and content that my grandchildren may now thrive in a country build for them.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

then why did you have a kid?

exfarmkid
exfarmkid
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Despite his somewhat black-pilled comment, Vespers action of making a child demonstrate he is willing to try to build a future. God bless him.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  exfarmkid
1 month ago

he’s an attention whore. but glad to have another white kid. hopefully he won’t be so fearful as his father…

Legs
Legs
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

If you are not afraid when confronting the prospect that an enemy approaches to do you and the people you love mortal harm then you either are a tier one operator in the military with your team or an effing loon. And I don’t see any stripes, sonny.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Legs
1 month ago

if he’s that afraid now, what is he going to be like when things get really bad? you and he are good examples of what zman calls “mailbox people” 🙂

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

That old Boomer charm is shining through this morning, Karl.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

you’re mom likes it too 🙂

North American Vespers
North American Vespers
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Where do I say I am afraid?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

increasingly convinced that on our present course there will be no choice but to die holding a rifle” smells like piss stained pants.

Rich
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Maybe you’re projecting how you feel when you’re concerned about something.
I read no fear in NA Vespers post. I’m concerned about the future also, mainly because of my grandson and every other young person. So I should not have had a son, who then had a son?
Seems like you try to be the attention whore here. Lighten up, if you can.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Rich
1 month ago

maybe the guy talking like a character from “The Searchers” should lighten up. you sound awfully cuckish; just sayin’

Boom Shakalakka
Boom Shakalakka
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

Karl is known to exhibit anti-social behavior here. He uses similar attack vectors as “Krazy” Karl Denninger and so it’s my belief they are one in the same individual. When posting as Denninger, at least, he has a lot to offer in terms of analyzing health care.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

My wife says this to me on occasion when I bring up the topic of how much of a shit-show the future may well be given all that is going on. When she does that – I really have to resist the urge to slap her right across the face. What I usually do is remind her of when her mother was born: 1933. Go look at the damn history. Hitler came into power. There was a worldwide depression. Japan was screwing around with China. Commies were infesting the US. The Soviet Union was jamming people into Gulags. Point here… Read more »

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Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

you have my sincere sympathy; re: being a new father at 55. that kid is going to kill you…

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

That kid is the best thing that’s ever happened to me. He’s awesome. And quite frankly I’ve probably lost more years off my life having to deal with crazy women – than I have having to deal with him.

I like a lot of your posts – but you seem to be going out of your way to vote yourself into the “people who aren’t a solution to the problem” group.

If there’s going to be any homeland for white people – there’s going to have to be some actual white people to populate the homeland.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

I had a kid at 45, so I can only imagine what having one at 55 would feel like 🙂 good luck with the little fellow!

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

What is it like to be you?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

sublime.

Sterling Nite Hunt
Sterling Nite Hunt
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Substandard. You sport the budget McHungus when most men here are truly Hungus-Among-Us. I hear tell Z himself is a giant among men. You OTOH compare to packets of McKetchup, McMustard and McRelish.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Sterling Nite Hunt
26 days ago

Z is a giant in his own mind.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

if a person sincerely believes a hot war is imminent, the last thing they should do is have a kid. they should be at the range every day, training every day, etc. if. now if they are attention seeking drama queens…

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Both of my parents were born in the middle of WW2. So apparently they shouldn’t have been born? On my mother’s side especially – my grandparents were older when they had her – and were deeply affected by the Depression. Yet in the middle of a world war – with tens of millions dying – they still found some way to have some hope for the future and have a kid. Seriousl, I will repeat – you’re voting yourself off the island with this attitude. No white kids = no white future. So you’re arguing for pure selfishness? That’s what… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

but did your grandfather stand up in a crowded room and attention whore? which is *my* point. still enjoyed hearing about your exciting history 🙂

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

“if a person sincerely believes a hot war is imminent” I’ve thought a lot about this too. I’ve personally never MET anyone whose behavior suggests they REALLY believe war is imminent (not in the “revealed preferences” sense). If we REALLY thought that we’d be behaving an awful lot differently (I just bought an expensive new dishwasher, for example). I think the civil war tomorrow thing is basically another LARP. On the other hand a LOT of people believe a hot war is very likely coming, someday, somewhere. Might be a few years, maybe our lifetime, maybe kids or grandkids lifetime…… Read more »

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Anonymousse
1 month ago

War includes a large component of offensive action which the Right is not prepared for. They are prepared to defend which is half of it I suppose but not a winning strategy long haul against a serious foe. This is a noted flaw in America culture. An Italian Commie , name escapes me once said Americans remnded him of attack dogs, vicious and dangerous at defending their own space but little sense of anything collective or outside that space. Hell half the DR would happily let all the cities fall into ruin and turn the remains into say I dunno… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

Congratulations on your little one. Both my parents were pushing 50 when they had my oldest sibling – and it wasn’t for lack of trying. They were both scout leaders and our dad coached Little League and Pop Warner. In fact I had plenty of friends whose parents were as old as mine (although they tended to be the younger kids of big Irish families.)

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

Wow. Carlsdad, you prove NABALT. You will be passed over on the Night of the Pillows.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

Wow . That’s so gracious of you. But I don’t consider myself a boomer and I’m not black. I’ve said this before – but that whole “baby boom generation” thing has been something the media has been funging with for decades. Back in the 80s my age group was always referred to as GenX. Somewhere along the line they started calling us baby boom kids – even though we were 20 years out from the end of WW2 – and both of my parents were in their single digit years when the war ended. Maybe some of you guys are… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

I hope you have Community around you Brother that has your families back…

SixxSigma
SixxSigma
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

GTFO you retard. I saw you in a thread the other day unironically asking if DR conferences were a good place to pick up girls. Kill yourself.

Dude Vegas
Dude Vegas
Reply to  SixxSigma
1 month ago

Bleach being the preferred means. Post the vids, please.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Dude Vegas
1 month ago

haha ok, who told Corky I care what he thinks? you jokers…

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  SixxSigma
1 month ago

how’s life at $10/hour? anyone in the real world give a shit what you think or want?

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  SixxSigma
1 month ago

Sour grapes if ever there were.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  SixxSigma
1 month ago

Assail not the McHungus.

He is of a different species, and knows not guilt nor innocence.

(And as for Layabout, I am shamed and sullied! I abase myself before all, and must do penance!

Away, Tempter, I succumbed to vileness!

I now pronounce… Ewwww, gross!)

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Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 month ago

Call me Caliban. nice to have you back! was just thinking of your avatar with the flaming paper bag 😛

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Karl, better to remain silent and have others wonder if you are retarded than to open your mouth and prove it so.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

yah, you put me in my place. cause there’s no way I am several standard deviations smarter than you. no more than 99.9999% of a chance. people like you, wait on people like me.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

God! What a tool.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Penis thigh trap? 🙂

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

This “Nation of Immigrants” can become a “Nation of Emigrants”.

Your ancestors had the courage to pull up stakes and head for greener pastures. I think about this a great deal.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

The Frontier was declared closed in the 1890’s.

I’m game, but where do we go?

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

Space. Greenland. Patagonia. The former blue collar industrial territory in the US destroyed by greed. Space is the least likely and the former blue collar territory the easiest and thus most likely to reoccupy. We have a lot of water here in the Great Lakes.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
1 month ago

Absolutely. Prime real estate too. Just needs some TLC.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
1 month ago

A Reconquista, yes. The assets can be remodeled.

First, though, we must endure, until the locusts have starved to weakness- as they will.

For example, Zimbabwe: let them starve and murder. That’s why the Dutch found an empty land in the first place.

The global population has outstripped its food supply.

Can we withdraw, for long enough?

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
1 month ago

Stop running. For a lot less energy and not much more risk, organized men can take land and build the polity they want.
Also space is not possible period . No tech to do, far too expensive.
Fact is no matter what choices we make, its far far more probable our descendants will not go the the starts but will farm and have horse drawn wagons.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

In the agrarian future you envision, neither I nor anyone else knows what the racial blend will be. However, I suspect there is pretty good science to project a considerably smaller population than the present 🙁

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Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

Why is this a CONSTANT thing with “you people”? Why the hell should WE go? THEY need to go.

This is exactly why we’re going to lose. First because your inherent reaction seems to be to run, and secondly because there isn’t anywhere to run to.

Boom Shakalakka
Boom Shakalakka
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

Math’s a biotch. Tell us how you intend to “make them go.” I am not a defeatist. I am however good at math, and it doesn’t operate in our favor.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
1 month ago

because you know everything. and yet, you are a loser, with a loser’s mentality. a Lost Boy…

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Tiny Duck was more fun, tbh.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
1 month ago

No freebies. Make them feel unwelcome.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
1 month ago

The math of war doesn’t operate purely on “my army is bigger than yours” It operates with willpower as a main deciding factor. Anybody whose studied the German campaigns during WW2 against the Russians should know this. It’s something all those BLM and Antifah shits are demonstrating on a daily basis – and have been demostrating for something like 80 days now. We can’t even get pissed off when our 5 year old sons are shot in the head. All you guys are demonstrating is that you have no will. That means no matter how much numbers you have –… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

You need calm the fuck down and take a breath… Look until you build your army fighting would hurt your cause more than help it…If you can’t even do the little things like forming up with the like-minded and getting your logistics in order then your not going to have the stones to fight either…Also if you want to call everyone a coward but hide out and never meet anyone face to face well then your just projecting your fear and ignorance…I have always enjoyed your post but this one reeks of fear or desperation…

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

Age, probably. I’ve seen 50 years of ‘muh conservatism failing hard. The tide is very, very much against us here; last minute sandbagging isn’t going to stop the ocean wave headed our way.

There are imperfect, but arguably better, places to go to. But they’re not cheap, and you will always be the outsider.
Californians are doing this inter-state right now; it’s a small leap from that to head to greener pastures internationally.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

Well then all that’s REALLY getting discussed here is a very small portion of the white population here in the US saving their own asses. Because the vast bulk of the millions who live here – aren’t going to be able to flee ANYWHERE but state to state. So what you’re really talking about is just saving your own ass – not “saving the white race’ I don’t know where you think you’re going to go internationally , most countries have pretty strict immigration laws. I’d suggest doing some actual research on this before getting the fantasy too deeply set… Read more »

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

”I don’t know where you think you’re going to go internationally , most countries have pretty strict immigration laws.”

It seems to be a matter of faith for a certain type of defeatist that prosperous educated americans are unwelcome in other countries. A few minutes of research can correct this impression… but I just wonder if you’ve never even BEEN ANYWHERE or MET ANYONE?

Expats are kind of a thing.

If the horrible part of globalism is that it lets anyone and everyone come here, the slight recompense is that it ALSO makes it easier to go THERE.

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Anonymousse
1 month ago

Simplified: the best places will never give you citizenship. You might be allowed to stay as a guest but only if you are filthy rich. The so-so places might be ok, and even have a stable (not to say democratic) government and racial mix more to your taste. Even being able to work (legally) will be a major impediment. A lot of assets will help with residency/passport but probably that is out of reach for readers here. The not so nice places are worse than what we already have here. Finally, there is the issue of where do you keep… Read more »

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MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

I’m all for fighting for our land, but the original post references “pull up stakes and head for greener pastures.”

If you’re a Heritage American, multiple generations of your ancestors did exactly that.

North American Vespers
North American Vespers
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

More than half my family was already here before there was a nation. I am a Native American of European Descent. I have nowhere else to go. When it comes to it, I choose fight.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

Same here. Both sides of the family. As far as I know they didn’t come looking for greener pastures either. One side was British military, the other Irish. As far as I know 😉 (teenage girly emoticon)

b123
b123
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

Yup. I’m Canadian.

It doesn’t mean much today since we have so many paper Canadians… but they know it and I know it.

I’m not *English* or *German* or whatever my ancestors were. The left says we’re all immigrants but I’m not.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

Same here – can trace family back to 100 years before the Revolution. My grandmother told me that a good part of the family fled to Newfoundland after the revolutionaries won. So apparently most of them were loyalists (but not all). And thru all of those generations – the family tree has stayed pretty much “clean”, in that it didn’t marry too far outside of Anglo-Saxon or French lineage. So there’s nowhere to go back to. Great Britain and France have both filled themselves up with interlopers. Maybe Greenland? Yeah Greenland – that’s it – that sounds like a great… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

It has already come to it.

Who lives next door? Are they going to choose to fight with you? How many of your neighboring families can you trust to fight with you?

Who are you going to fight? How? Where?

You need to have plans for this in place and people to carry them out. Are you doing that?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

Fight for what? Until you have a goal, you have no will. You are not fighting for peace and prosperity . You are fighting to live among people with similar customs and ethnicity or optionally in order to take power to enforce your customs on people. Our side lacks the crucial will to power and until its unfucks itself and say “I want to live in X social conditions and non cooperators will be expelled, punished or executed as needed.” it can’t do anything offensive. Forget your life, forget money , its 100% ideology all the way down and building… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

Then make it count for God’s sake and fight with your Brother’s on the left and right of you so you know victory and not shame and defeat…

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

And where are you going to go? It’s not 1650 any more – or even 1850 for that matter. There’s how many BILLIONS of people on the planet? I see suggestions for Greenland, Mars – and upper Canada. Translation= “I’m a moron”. Those places are uninhabited FOR A REASON. There is nowhere to go. There is no more western frontier. And unless you plan on building a colonial army and killing darkies by the 100’s of thousands places like Africa are even off-limits. And if you were going to do that – why not fight to defend THIS place? All… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

This continent selected for people who could thrive on the frontier, be that 17th Century Pennsylvania, 1820’s Minnesota, or 1880’s Arizona. Those who could hack it thrived and reproduced, and those back in Europe with the inclination to try were the ones who got on the boats.

We don’t have that now. That’s simply a statement of fact. It’s a biological reality that needs to be dealt with.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

All I see from you is inchoate frustration and demands that we all stand and fight – no plan or purpose.

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

Not too many people are looking to establish a jamestown colony or build Praetoria. There are cities you can settle in all over the world.

Staying to fight is fine but unless and until people have a general will to do it that’s just telling people to commit suicide on the way to handing the bad guys a massive PR victory.

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Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

Again – WHAT greener pastures? Where is that Mars? Greenland? I’m supposed to take those suggestions seriously? You say our ancestors came here because they were pulling up stakes and heading for greener pastures – well another thing they did – was fight for the land they came to. The “natives” who were here – still bitch to this day about how whitey pushed them out. If you’re going to compare the present day people to what our ancestors did – maybe you ought to be making the analogy to how they pushed out the natives – instead of one… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

I hang my head. I’m thinking “hunker down”, but we are still the numerical majority. If we had a government that backed us, we could go all WWII on some ungrateful asses.

We did it before. Materiel production in WWll was nothing short of astounding.

Dads, a sailor during and after, said that “after the War, we were gods”.

I probably have a dozen other siblings I’ll never meet, from Japan to Africa to Venezuela.

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Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 month ago

At the very least I don’t see any point in giving the people who engage in defeatist thinking a free pass by not saying anything. And all of the suggestions about forming a new country in the Midwest, running away to places like Greenland or upper Canada – or emigrating to some unnamed magical country where whitey can live in peace – deserve to be called out for idiocy that they are. Magical thinking will NOT solve the problem. Maybe once that is beaten back some people who don’t have their heads stuck firmly in their asses on this whole… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

We’ve had this conversation a dozen times before. You can’t tell THEM to go unless and until YOU have enough guys to make THEM go – and enough influence to keep YOU from getting from being arrested in the process. If YOU live someplace like Lagos, MD, St. Louis, NYC or Los Angeles there aren’t enough of YOU to make THEM leave. And is fighting for the needle point of a fragile supply chain that’s dependent on the countryside for food, water and every basic necessity worth it? Regrouping on more defensible ground is rallying, not running. Choosing to die… Read more »

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

I agree with your general point except

”If YOU live someplace like Lagos, MD, St. Louis, NYC or Los Angeles there aren’t enough of YOU to make THEM leave”

If by YOU you mean whites there’s WAY MORE than enough of us to make them leave. There’s not enough will and there’s too many of us on the other side.

White South Africans could absolutely deport or exterminate every black there, huge numbers of low IQ disorganized people are not a threat. The problem is the opposition from whites elsewhere and lack of unity within.

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Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Anonymousse
1 month ago

The problem is the opposition from whites elsewhere and lack of unity within.
So do you really think that there will ever be unity in a city where no one trust their fellow man???
If your answer is no then why would you even think about staying in the city where it would be just you fighting against everyone else…

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Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

Truth right there Brother…

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

”This is exactly why we’re going to lose.”

Ok now I’m confused… should we stay and fight because we can win, or run because we’re going to lose.

You seem to be advocating stay and fight SO we can lose and that doesn’t compute as a strategy for people interested in their racial OR individual family survival.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

Meme: Intermountain west, or the south if you have family ties.

Boom Shakalakka
Boom Shakalakka
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

You need an ocean, bubba. Trade for commodities is a necessary thang, and the intermountain west lacks an ocean. The US south will be Mexico-Honduras soon enough, and it doesn’t have enough fresh water or arable land. We need the top third of the US from Maine to Alaska joined with Alberta and then we’ll have a sustainable homeland. Blacks are already self-deporting up there and heading to the warmer climes. You may not have received the news but we who live up here hear about this “crisis of fleeing blacks” (oh no! we must be doing something wrong!) and… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
1 month ago

We want fresh water more than salt.

I’m all for merging US and Canadian Whites but the most problematic parts of Canada are in the East within 200 miles of the US border (something like 80% of Canada’s population).

The wild portions along the NE border, above the UP of Michigan and all the way West are prime territory for Our Guys.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

That’s why Whitney’s comment about nomadism got me thinking about the near future- into the interstices of cultural territory, perhaps?

Like Masonic enclaves. They wait, holding the sciences of rebuild, for civilization to fall again. That’s the meaning of the Architect’s tools, their symbol.

Right now, we’re dealing as a people with massive non-White overpopulation. Their growth and global hypermobility are all due to means White men created.

Enclaves may be the best we can do, for now, until the Crash.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

Wherever the nearest largest group of based Whites live so long as you have fresh water, food and reasonable separation from ZOG and poz.

We’re recommending the NW states, Appalachia and the Ozarks but there are a few other spots.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

ever see the movie “Deliverance”? you are “Bobby”

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 month ago

If you really believe in the doomsday scenarios for the US and/or western Europe you should be looking into eastern europe for long term settling, or asia/south america to hide out for a few years.

This is obviously much easier for those with means, but anyone sufficiently determined could make it happen.

I don’t think most people predicting civil war any day now REALLY believe it though, this is becoming the right wing version of saying you want your kid in a diverse school.

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Exile
Exile
Reply to  Anonymousse
1 month ago

North America has too many physical advantages and too many Whites still in residence to make leaving a better option.

We just need to bring our numbers together, organize, educate and grow the old fashioned way.

A generation’s worth of healthy family formation will bring enormous leverage and boost our spirit as a people.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

Yes. Like I keep telling people: I absolutely refuse to pay for reparations. I will however consider paying for repatriation.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

offer any negro $100k to forfeit their citizenship and move back to Africa. pay them in Zimbabwe dollars 🙂

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

That would be 36,000,000 ZWD. I guess they ran out of zeros and had to revalue 🙂

b123
b123
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

I’m not afraid of death. I don’t think anybody on the Zblog is.

I could flee Canada to Europe but I’m going to live and die here.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  b123
1 month ago

A lot of guys crying about us “running away” here are afraid of living more than 15 minutes from a Wal-Mart or getting fired from their McJob.

Risking death is hardly in the cards, sorry.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

How about living, holding a rifle victoriously over your head a la Charlton Heston? Remember, the point of war is to make the other sumbitch die for his cause. Move to where you are with your own, for seconds (starters is have a family).

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  North American Vespers
1 month ago

New father here as well. The first time I looked at my son, I knew that I would carry that fire inside of me until my death. What could he not be inspire me to do?

The people who treat kids as some kind of onus are objectively retarded. I can’t wait to have another. Maybe a girl this time.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Lanky
1 month ago

If you love your kids then get them in a Community of your people…I know you’re working on it Brother..

Moss
Member
Reply to  Lanky
1 month ago

Lanky.
Children are HUGE blessings. Have many. I’ve got 3. I wish it was 10.
There is NOTHING more eternal and moving on earth than to look at your child and think of their future. You’ll draw on the strength of ancestors like you’ve never experienced.
We are going to win. There is an enormous cost and it’s already charged against us. I pray we take more of their sons than ours to accomplish it.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Moss
1 month ago

Amen Moss. I pray that I will find my gifts to share with my community but nothing will make up for the fact that I never had children. The malthusian doomsdayers need not apply. They have done enough damage. All my one-and-done friends have lots of nice things and many view their kids as one more extension of that. Its sad. But also one of many aspects of a toxic landscape and broken communities. I just got back from riding horses with my niece and nephew through high sage brush and pine trees. Simple beauty all around. When people complain… Read more »

Moss
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
1 month ago

Screwtape, As a father of sons, I treasure the few men I allow to speak into my boy’s lives. Some lessons are better learned from trusted men, NOT their father. You probably make for an epic Uncle. Good on you. Your gift and investment in those kids will become part of the character fabric of their life. That position, cherished Uncle, is vital to the strength of a stable, healthy family. I lost my brother to leukemia 15 years ago. I miss him regularly and see him in my oldest son. What a gift it would be to have him… Read more »

Member
1 month ago

One step forward is to stop emphasizing rights. How about shifing the focus to responsibility and mutual respect? It could undermine the left and increase the appeal of the dissident right.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Raymond R
1 month ago

try running on that platform 😛

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Raymond R
1 month ago

Normies on the right are incredibly delusional on this. When say that they should care about their own people first I’m Hitler, when I say their “rights” only exist within their own group I’m Stalin.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 month ago

When say that they should care about their own people first I’m Hitler, when I say their “rights” only exist within their own group I’m Stalin.

To paraphrase what others have said, tell them that [depending on their age] their children or grandchildren will grow up in a society as a despised minority.

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Federalist
1 month ago

A lot of people value their own comfort more than their children’s future. Children are a lifestyle accessory and an expense category to them.

Think of the prototypical boomers spending all their legacy on RVs, harleys, les pauls , signed negromabilia for the “man cave” (built to escape nagging second or third wives)… and of course calling their kids entitled millennials who should work harder at starbucks.

These people would let anything happen their kids rather than face the social problem associated with the scarlet R.

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MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Raymond R
1 month ago

The post-Terror French Constitution tried this. It was quickly forgotten when General Bonaparte showed up.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Raymond R
1 month ago

“Rights” also confer “obligations”. Most people forget the second part.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Raymond R
1 month ago

“Rules,” Raymond, rules. They are how you “shift the focus to responsibility and mutual respect”; they are what you implement to maintain the foundation of “a passive ethno-nationalism organized around group identity and rights.” America stopped enforcing the rules and started creating counterproductive rules (aka “laws”), both of which undermined our group identity as Americans with rights under the Constitution. That didn’t work. So now it may be time to try Zman’s prescription, which bodes pretty well.

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Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Jim Smith
1 month ago

The problems really started when it was decided that breaking the rules was OK if breaking them was associated with some sort of higher calling. (IMO, it was a bastardization of what it means to be a Christian, but that is a discussion for another day). Once it was decided to accept that looting, burning, or killing people was acceptable because it was to “make things better” or it was “understandable rage”, things went off the rails.

Chris
Chris
1 month ago

It’s bizarre that the Declaration of Independence has come to constitute a statement of radical racial equality when such a view was the opposite of what the author of that document believed.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Chris
1 month ago

The document is a list of legal transgressions committed by the King and made the case as to why this constituted the grounds for severing ties. The “all men are created equal” phrase was meant to distill the arguments that would follow into a simple statement. Jefferson was referencing the equality the colonists had a right to expect as subjects of the king.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  KGB
1 month ago

Some amusing reading is to read the British response to the DOI.
TLDR: WTF is Jefferson talking about?
https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/1776-hutchinson-strictures-upon-the-declaration-of-independence

Reed Hill
Reed Hill
Reply to  KGB
1 month ago

Yes, I’ve understood that phrase to be the explicit rejection of the Divine Right claimed by nobility and that the author was asserting that this claim was unjust and made invalid by the gross injustices inflicted by the noble upon the common. It’s a statement that indicates that our new nation will consider all men equal before the law and God, with no special privileges by birth invoked to settle disputes. It’s aspirational rather than practical in many ways, as we know, since money and power move to create rank and with it, privilege, and therefore as a practical, special… Read more »

Rick Rodriguez
Reply to  Chris
1 month ago

Very accurately noticed!

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
1 month ago

“The Right then comes in to clean up after them” what do conservative’s like to eat the most? cream pies.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
1 month ago

“the closest America ever came to having a genuine conservative alternative to Northern Progressivism ended in the Civil War”

Zman, would you please elaborate on this point? I don’t disagree; I am just curious what you are referring to.

In my mind, it was prohibition, emancipation, and income tax amendments that put paid to our republic.

we may not be able to vote our way out of trouble, but we might be able to repeal our way out 😛

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

You forgot women’s suffrage. As long as women can vote America will be doomed.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Hoagie
1 month ago

oops, i meant suffrage when i posted “emancipation”. seem to remember that term being paired with women’s voting rights.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Hoagie
1 month ago

Without a doubt nothing gets solved if women have rights.

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TomA
TomA
1 month ago

Evolution precedes biology, and by extension, everything else. What this means is that we are adapting to the modern world of affluence and post existential hardship and threat. Instead of a natural environment that culls the herd of the stupid and weak, we now live in an artificial environment that promotes parasitism, obesity, and hive-minded conformity. We are devolving into an insect-like species. And a newfangled political philosophy is not going to cure that.

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sentry
sentry
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

evolution is imaginary doctrine of prometheans, if you mean to say adaptation then sure, living organisms can adapt to all sorts of conditions.
Robots functions like insects, that is true, this is what elites promote, but humans stay the same, no evolution there.
The fact that enlightenment failed to change man into an atheistic drone makes them hate us even more. Now they want to fry our brains with chips(chips will induce pain into human brain if you do not submit) & vaccinate us into oblivion.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

It’s very likely that such a conditional will not be sustainable. Therefore, the question is, What comes after?

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

That world is built upon massive amounts of “borrowed” and printed money though. So it’s a world built on financial quicksand. It’s also built on “easy” energy. If peak oil really is a thing (I’m not sure that it is) – then much of the modern world may be on the verge of disappearing. Much of the incentive behind locking everybody down because of the corona virus – seems to be coming from elite elements who want to push the whole “green society” agenda. People like Kunstler are claiming that the modern world is on the verge of collapse –… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

peak oil is made up nonsense. find the earliest mention in the press, then find all the new oil fields found since then. then add in fracking. did you know that traditional oil pumping only reaches the easiest 1/3 of oil, in a given field? the world will be running on nuclear energy before oil runs out. key point is energy density. how many pounds of oil, does it take to match the energy in one pound of uranium? 2m. that’s right, uranium is two million times as energy dense as oil. and that’s also why climate alarmism is so… Read more »

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Peak oil has been a thing almost since Col. Drake first ‘discovered’ it in PA. What’s the line on energy density of uranium vs wind and solar power? (I suspect my calculator doesn’t have enough 0’s)

sentry
sentry
1 month ago

In liberal eyes conservatism is/was only good for convincing whites from the south to fight the jewish wars, which lead to suffering of people from Middle East & Europe(migrant crisis).
All these people died(including american soldiers) just to satisfy whims of soros tribe leaders.

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b123
b123
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

We fight them over there so we can import them and fight them over here.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

Pretty sure there’s still a lot of normiecons who live in deathly fear of that huge ISIS Navy cruising just outside our 200 mile territorial limit – just waiting for the right moment to invade…………….

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

ISIS was an(other) Israeli proxy that murdered Christians and fomented regional war (that they also wanted the US trapped in). We should absolutely celebrate ISIS being crushed.

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Jim Smith
Jim Smith
1 month ago

Again: Insight after insight after insight. Who IS this guy? With one phrase he launches what could be the answer. Or, put differently, the biggest white-pill in modern American history: The solution to the hard-nut large-society problem is “a passive ethno-nationalism organized around group identity and rights.”

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jim Smith
1 month ago

He’s kept this peak for years now.
Z’s a ratchet. Each day is one click higher and better.

Yesterday, I read about the good King Carlos of Spain, a steady flagpole, the face of the nation. Europe has more than proportional voting to offer.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 month ago

didn’t he just flee arrest on corruption charges?!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

No, that’s the socialistas government in campaign mode, same as here.

Corruption. By the most capable, quiet, moderate king in 500 years.
God, I despise those filth.

b123
b123
Reply to  Jim Smith
1 month ago

Enough with the dick sucking.

We follow Z for his ideas, which are relevant and clear.

No need to worship him though.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  b123
1 month ago

I’d vote yes if Z stood for the People’s Tribune.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

I kiss ass shamelessly to a recognized superior.
Dude keeps our light on.

Herzog
Herzog
Reply to  b123
1 month ago

I’m sure though (without having tasted) that he has an exquisitely sweet one.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  b123
1 month ago

b123, it’s not clear you have the IQ to discern transforming insights when you see them. I express myself the way I see fit, so you can suck your own dick for all I care.

Last edited 1 month ago by Jim Smith
Tykebomb
Tykebomb
1 month ago

The frontier is the key. The whole structure of US history is rotten. The shining city on the hill is literally Puritanism. Fine, they are Americans too, but American history should emphasize they got here SECOND. America was founded at Jamestown. We have forgotten that after decades of Yankee control. Massachusetts not only won, they took sole ownership of America’s founding. Any rescue of the American people has to emphasize the men of Virginia, not Plymouth and definitely no William Penn’s followers. That way is invade the world, invite the world theology. Of course, you must side step the Lockean… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Tykebomb
1 month ago

Actors like Ward Bond, born in western Nebraska, were literally the children of pioneers. There is a certain authentic edge to them that still comes across the screen after all these decades.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 month ago

for an authentic edge, watch Jimmy Stewart in any movie he made after 1945.