The Failed Experiment Problem

At the end of the Cold War, Progressives pointed out that conservatism no longer had a purpose, so it was probably going to follow communism into the past. Of course, the Left had its own problems in this regard, but conservatism in America had largely been about opposing the Soviets. They had conceded all the important points in the cultural war and the Left was ready to embrace corporate control of the economy, so there was no longer any purpose to conservatism.

This was a fair analysis, but one conservatives could not accept, as it would mean getting real jobs and doing honest work. Instead they tried to define conservatism as green eye-shade bean counting in the 1990’s. That was no fun as they like spending borrowed money as much as the Left. Then they tried to define conservatism to mean dropping high explosives onto Muslims. That worked for a while, but then the public soured on the pointless flag waving and hollow patriotism.

In the Obama years, conservatism entered the darkness and it has not been able to find a way out of it ever since. They tried to rally people around hating Trump, but that just underscored the bankruptcy of modern conservatism. Since then, various writers have been trying to figure out what conservatism is supposed to mean in the age of post-national globalism. The one enduring feature of the Right has been its roots in nationalism, so without that, it has no anchor.

This summer, the American Conservative has been running pieces on the topic from various writers. Here’s one from July doing the old constitution bit. Here’s one relying on historicism to define conservatism. A couple of Israelis contributed a piece claiming conservatism is a big shopping mall. This one makes the Straussian argument that conservatism is rooted in natural rights. Along the same lines, Yoram Hazony posted a long piece at Quillette about the dangers of Marxism.

The main take-sway from all of this is that no one in conservatism has the slightest idea how to breathe life into the corpse of their project. If they are unwilling to reject universalism and egalitarianism, they cannot embrace nationalism, other than as a shallow rhetorical device. Yoram Hazony has turned himself into a pretzel trying to promote a nationalism detached from biological reality. Everyone else is too afraid to go near anything that contradicts Progressive dogma on biology.

The truth is, the closest America ever came to having a genuine conservative alternative to Northern Progressivism ended in the Civil War. Since then the dynamic in America has been the Left innovating and the Right implementing. The Left, needing to exercise its reform impulse, finds something to break with novel ideas. The Right then comes in to clean up after them, finding some way to normalize it. The Robert Lewis Dabney observation is has never ceased to be true.

This is why whatever replaces conservatism as the alternative to the Progressive orthodoxy has to free of conservatism. It must be a clean break with that failed tradition of accommodation and obedience. A genuine alternative, a real competitor to the Left, has to be a stand-alone moral framework, rather than just a collection of criticisms and critiques of the liberal moral order. A critique is just a conditional agreement. That’s always been conservatism, agreement with conditions.

This may prove to be easiest in Europe, as Europeans have a genuine conservatism in their past they can pull out of storage. It may have failed under the pincer assault of Marxism and liberal democracy, but it offers a foundation to build on. Like an old house with good bones, it can be rebuilt with modern ideas and understandings. The failings of liberal democracy now make it a weaker foe than in the past. Liberal democracy is no longer about promise, but about practice.

For Americans, the task is difficult, as it means jettisoning most of the American story, maybe even the very concept of American. The frontier culture that has always been at the root of American mythology no longer makes a lot of sense in the demographic age with high-density urban areas. Rugged independence is suicidal when facing a demographic assault. There’s also the fact that the past has been rewritten to support the egalitarianism and universalism of the Left.

Then there is that American creed that starts with the assertion that all men are created equal, endowed with inalienable rights. The rejection of universal equality is a rejection of the core component of Americanism. This is the trap that devoured Buckley style conservatism in the last century. It is simply impossible to forge an alternative to Progressivism without first rejecting universal equality. To American ears, that sounds like a rejection of their very identity.

It is not impossible though. Events are what forge ideologies and the demographic changes sweeping North America will forge new political constructs. Organizing civil life in a world where the government is no longer willing or able to control the frontier or police the violent elements will require new ideologies. Most likely that means a return to the oldest form of social organization, which is relatedness. The large society problem will be solved with racial and ethnic identity.

Ultimately, that is the project facing the West. Liberalism, communism and to a lesser degree fascism, were all solutions to the large society problem. Liberal democracy is the current experiment in solving the problem. The real alternative to the prevailing order starts with accepting that these experiences have all failed. They failed because there is no solution to the problem, other than a passive ethno-nationalism organized around group identity and rights.

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SamlAdams
SamlAdams
4 years ago

An unexpected trip down south this past week was a pointed reminder just how much more enjoyable spending time surrounded by my Anglo/Scots-Irish brethren is.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

That’s why I advocate for what I do Brother because living amongst your own kind makes your life a lot better and it gives you the protection you need in case a crisis arises…When more people figure that out well then we will start moving in the direction we want…

Moss
Member
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

Amen. A family begets a neighbor begets a tribe begets a community…

Member
4 years ago

One step forward is to stop emphasizing rights. How about shifing the focus to responsibility and mutual respect? It could undermine the left and increase the appeal of the dissident right.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Raymond R
4 years ago

try running on that platform 😛

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Raymond R
4 years ago

Normies on the right are incredibly delusional on this. When say that they should care about their own people first I’m Hitler, when I say their “rights” only exist within their own group I’m Stalin.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
4 years ago

When say that they should care about their own people first I’m Hitler, when I say their “rights” only exist within their own group I’m Stalin.

To paraphrase what others have said, tell them that [depending on their age] their children or grandchildren will grow up in a society as a despised minority.

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

A lot of people value their own comfort more than their children’s future. Children are a lifestyle accessory and an expense category to them.

Think of the prototypical boomers spending all their legacy on RVs, harleys, les pauls , signed negromabilia for the “man cave” (built to escape nagging second or third wives)… and of course calling their kids entitled millennials who should work harder at starbucks.

These people would let anything happen their kids rather than face the social problem associated with the scarlet R.

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MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Raymond R
4 years ago

The post-Terror French Constitution tried this. It was quickly forgotten when General Bonaparte showed up.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Raymond R
4 years ago

“Rights” also confer “obligations”. Most people forget the second part.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Raymond R
4 years ago

“Rules,” Raymond, rules. They are how you “shift the focus to responsibility and mutual respect”; they are what you implement to maintain the foundation of “a passive ethno-nationalism organized around group identity and rights.” America stopped enforcing the rules and started creating counterproductive rules (aka “laws”), both of which undermined our group identity as Americans with rights under the Constitution. That didn’t work. So now it may be time to try Zman’s prescription, which bodes pretty well.

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Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

The problems really started when it was decided that breaking the rules was OK if breaking them was associated with some sort of higher calling. (IMO, it was a bastardization of what it means to be a Christian, but that is a discussion for another day). Once it was decided to accept that looting, burning, or killing people was acceptable because it was to “make things better” or it was “understandable rage”, things went off the rails.

North American Vespers
North American Vespers
4 years ago

I am 80s born, new father increasingly convinced that on our present course there will be no choice but to die holding a rifle.

Prove me wrong.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

I’d choose dying peacefully in white America, proud that I did not flee my country in its hour of greatest need, happy that I survived the bloody struggle, and content that my grandchildren may now thrive in a country build for them.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

then why did you have a kid?

exfarmkid
exfarmkid
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Despite his somewhat black-pilled comment, Vespers action of making a child demonstrate he is willing to try to build a future. God bless him.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  exfarmkid
4 years ago

he’s an attention whore. but glad to have another white kid. hopefully he won’t be so fearful as his father…

Legs
Legs
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

If you are not afraid when confronting the prospect that an enemy approaches to do you and the people you love mortal harm then you either are a tier one operator in the military with your team or an effing loon. And I don’t see any stripes, sonny.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Legs
4 years ago

if he’s that afraid now, what is he going to be like when things get really bad? you and he are good examples of what zman calls “mailbox people” 🙂

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

That old Boomer charm is shining through this morning, Karl.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

you’re mom likes it too 🙂

North American Vespers
North American Vespers
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Where do I say I am afraid?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

increasingly convinced that on our present course there will be no choice but to die holding a rifle” smells like piss stained pants.

Rich
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Maybe you’re projecting how you feel when you’re concerned about something.
I read no fear in NA Vespers post. I’m concerned about the future also, mainly because of my grandson and every other young person. So I should not have had a son, who then had a son?
Seems like you try to be the attention whore here. Lighten up, if you can.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Rich
4 years ago

maybe the guy talking like a character from “The Searchers” should lighten up. you sound awfully cuckish; just sayin’

Boom Shakalakka
Boom Shakalakka
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

Karl is known to exhibit anti-social behavior here. He uses similar attack vectors as “Krazy” Karl Denninger and so it’s my belief they are one in the same individual. When posting as Denninger, at least, he has a lot to offer in terms of analyzing health care.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

My wife says this to me on occasion when I bring up the topic of how much of a shit-show the future may well be given all that is going on. When she does that – I really have to resist the urge to slap her right across the face. What I usually do is remind her of when her mother was born: 1933. Go look at the damn history. Hitler came into power. There was a worldwide depression. Japan was screwing around with China. Commies were infesting the US. The Soviet Union was jamming people into Gulags. Point here… Read more »

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Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

you have my sincere sympathy; re: being a new father at 55. that kid is going to kill you…

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

That kid is the best thing that’s ever happened to me. He’s awesome. And quite frankly I’ve probably lost more years off my life having to deal with crazy women – than I have having to deal with him.

I like a lot of your posts – but you seem to be going out of your way to vote yourself into the “people who aren’t a solution to the problem” group.

If there’s going to be any homeland for white people – there’s going to have to be some actual white people to populate the homeland.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

I had a kid at 45, so I can only imagine what having one at 55 would feel like 🙂 good luck with the little fellow!

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

What is it like to be you?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

sublime.

Sterling Nite Hunt
Sterling Nite Hunt
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Substandard. You sport the budget McHungus when most men here are truly Hungus-Among-Us. I hear tell Z himself is a giant among men. You OTOH compare to packets of McKetchup, McMustard and McRelish.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Sterling Nite Hunt
4 years ago

Z is a giant in his own mind.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

if a person sincerely believes a hot war is imminent, the last thing they should do is have a kid. they should be at the range every day, training every day, etc. if. now if they are attention seeking drama queens…

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Both of my parents were born in the middle of WW2. So apparently they shouldn’t have been born? On my mother’s side especially – my grandparents were older when they had her – and were deeply affected by the Depression. Yet in the middle of a world war – with tens of millions dying – they still found some way to have some hope for the future and have a kid. Seriousl, I will repeat – you’re voting yourself off the island with this attitude. No white kids = no white future. So you’re arguing for pure selfishness? That’s what… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

but did your grandfather stand up in a crowded room and attention whore? which is *my* point. still enjoyed hearing about your exciting history 🙂

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

“if a person sincerely believes a hot war is imminent” I’ve thought a lot about this too. I’ve personally never MET anyone whose behavior suggests they REALLY believe war is imminent (not in the “revealed preferences” sense). If we REALLY thought that we’d be behaving an awful lot differently (I just bought an expensive new dishwasher, for example). I think the civil war tomorrow thing is basically another LARP. On the other hand a LOT of people believe a hot war is very likely coming, someday, somewhere. Might be a few years, maybe our lifetime, maybe kids or grandkids lifetime…… Read more »

Last edited 4 years ago by Anonymousse
abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Anonymousse
4 years ago

War includes a large component of offensive action which the Right is not prepared for. They are prepared to defend which is half of it I suppose but not a winning strategy long haul against a serious foe. This is a noted flaw in America culture. An Italian Commie , name escapes me once said Americans remnded him of attack dogs, vicious and dangerous at defending their own space but little sense of anything collective or outside that space. Hell half the DR would happily let all the cities fall into ruin and turn the remains into say I dunno… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

Congratulations on your little one. Both my parents were pushing 50 when they had my oldest sibling – and it wasn’t for lack of trying. They were both scout leaders and our dad coached Little League and Pop Warner. In fact I had plenty of friends whose parents were as old as mine (although they tended to be the younger kids of big Irish families.)

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

Wow. Carlsdad, you prove NABALT. You will be passed over on the Night of the Pillows.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Educated.redneck
4 years ago

Wow . That’s so gracious of you. But I don’t consider myself a boomer and I’m not black. I’ve said this before – but that whole “baby boom generation” thing has been something the media has been funging with for decades. Back in the 80s my age group was always referred to as GenX. Somewhere along the line they started calling us baby boom kids – even though we were 20 years out from the end of WW2 – and both of my parents were in their single digit years when the war ended. Maybe some of you guys are… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

I hope you have Community around you Brother that has your families back…

SixxSigma
SixxSigma
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

GTFO you retard. I saw you in a thread the other day unironically asking if DR conferences were a good place to pick up girls. Kill yourself.

Dude Vegas
Dude Vegas
Reply to  SixxSigma
4 years ago

Bleach being the preferred means. Post the vids, please.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Dude Vegas
4 years ago

haha ok, who told Corky I care what he thinks? you jokers…

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  SixxSigma
4 years ago

how’s life at $10/hour? anyone in the real world give a shit what you think or want?

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  SixxSigma
4 years ago

Sour grapes if ever there were.

Alzaebo
Reply to  SixxSigma
4 years ago

Assail not the McHungus.

He is of a different species, and knows not guilt nor innocence.

(And as for Layabout, I am shamed and sullied! I abase myself before all, and must do penance!

Away, Tempter, I succumbed to vileness!

I now pronounce… Ewwww, gross!)

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Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

Call me Caliban. nice to have you back! was just thinking of your avatar with the flaming paper bag 😛

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Karl, better to remain silent and have others wonder if you are retarded than to open your mouth and prove it so.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Educated.redneck
4 years ago

yah, you put me in my place. cause there’s no way I am several standard deviations smarter than you. no more than 99.9999% of a chance. people like you, wait on people like me.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

God! What a tool.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Penis thigh trap? 🙂

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

This “Nation of Immigrants” can become a “Nation of Emigrants”.

Your ancestors had the courage to pull up stakes and head for greener pastures. I think about this a great deal.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

The Frontier was declared closed in the 1890’s.

I’m game, but where do we go?

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Space. Greenland. Patagonia. The former blue collar industrial territory in the US destroyed by greed. Space is the least likely and the former blue collar territory the easiest and thus most likely to reoccupy. We have a lot of water here in the Great Lakes.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
4 years ago

Absolutely. Prime real estate too. Just needs some TLC.

Alzaebo
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
4 years ago

A Reconquista, yes. The assets can be remodeled.

First, though, we must endure, until the locusts have starved to weakness- as they will.

For example, Zimbabwe: let them starve and murder. That’s why the Dutch found an empty land in the first place.

The global population has outstripped its food supply.

Can we withdraw, for long enough?

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
4 years ago

Stop running. For a lot less energy and not much more risk, organized men can take land and build the polity they want.
Also space is not possible period . No tech to do, far too expensive.
Fact is no matter what choices we make, its far far more probable our descendants will not go the the starts but will farm and have horse drawn wagons.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

In the agrarian future you envision, neither I nor anyone else knows what the racial blend will be. However, I suspect there is pretty good science to project a considerably smaller population than the present 🙁

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Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Why is this a CONSTANT thing with “you people”? Why the hell should WE go? THEY need to go.

This is exactly why we’re going to lose. First because your inherent reaction seems to be to run, and secondly because there isn’t anywhere to run to.

Boom Shakalakka
Boom Shakalakka
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

Math’s a biotch. Tell us how you intend to “make them go.” I am not a defeatist. I am however good at math, and it doesn’t operate in our favor.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
4 years ago

because you know everything. and yet, you are a loser, with a loser’s mentality. a Lost Boy…

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Tiny Duck was more fun, tbh.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
4 years ago

No freebies. Make them feel unwelcome.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
4 years ago

The math of war doesn’t operate purely on “my army is bigger than yours” It operates with willpower as a main deciding factor. Anybody whose studied the German campaigns during WW2 against the Russians should know this. It’s something all those BLM and Antifah shits are demonstrating on a daily basis – and have been demostrating for something like 80 days now. We can’t even get pissed off when our 5 year old sons are shot in the head. All you guys are demonstrating is that you have no will. That means no matter how much numbers you have –… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

You need calm the fuck down and take a breath… Look until you build your army fighting would hurt your cause more than help it…If you can’t even do the little things like forming up with the like-minded and getting your logistics in order then your not going to have the stones to fight either…Also if you want to call everyone a coward but hide out and never meet anyone face to face well then your just projecting your fear and ignorance…I have always enjoyed your post but this one reeks of fear or desperation…

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

Age, probably. I’ve seen 50 years of ‘muh conservatism failing hard. The tide is very, very much against us here; last minute sandbagging isn’t going to stop the ocean wave headed our way.

There are imperfect, but arguably better, places to go to. But they’re not cheap, and you will always be the outsider.
Californians are doing this inter-state right now; it’s a small leap from that to head to greener pastures internationally.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

Well then all that’s REALLY getting discussed here is a very small portion of the white population here in the US saving their own asses. Because the vast bulk of the millions who live here – aren’t going to be able to flee ANYWHERE but state to state. So what you’re really talking about is just saving your own ass – not “saving the white race’ I don’t know where you think you’re going to go internationally , most countries have pretty strict immigration laws. I’d suggest doing some actual research on this before getting the fantasy too deeply set… Read more »

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

”I don’t know where you think you’re going to go internationally , most countries have pretty strict immigration laws.”

It seems to be a matter of faith for a certain type of defeatist that prosperous educated americans are unwelcome in other countries. A few minutes of research can correct this impression… but I just wonder if you’ve never even BEEN ANYWHERE or MET ANYONE?

Expats are kind of a thing.

If the horrible part of globalism is that it lets anyone and everyone come here, the slight recompense is that it ALSO makes it easier to go THERE.

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Anonymousse
4 years ago

Simplified: the best places will never give you citizenship. You might be allowed to stay as a guest but only if you are filthy rich. The so-so places might be ok, and even have a stable (not to say democratic) government and racial mix more to your taste. Even being able to work (legally) will be a major impediment. A lot of assets will help with residency/passport but probably that is out of reach for readers here. The not so nice places are worse than what we already have here. Finally, there is the issue of where do you keep… Read more »

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MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

I’m all for fighting for our land, but the original post references “pull up stakes and head for greener pastures.”

If you’re a Heritage American, multiple generations of your ancestors did exactly that.

North American Vespers
North American Vespers
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

More than half my family was already here before there was a nation. I am a Native American of European Descent. I have nowhere else to go. When it comes to it, I choose fight.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

Same here. Both sides of the family. As far as I know they didn’t come looking for greener pastures either. One side was British military, the other Irish. As far as I know 😉 (teenage girly emoticon)

b123
b123
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

Yup. I’m Canadian.

It doesn’t mean much today since we have so many paper Canadians… but they know it and I know it.

I’m not *English* or *German* or whatever my ancestors were. The left says we’re all immigrants but I’m not.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

Same here – can trace family back to 100 years before the Revolution. My grandmother told me that a good part of the family fled to Newfoundland after the revolutionaries won. So apparently most of them were loyalists (but not all). And thru all of those generations – the family tree has stayed pretty much “clean”, in that it didn’t marry too far outside of Anglo-Saxon or French lineage. So there’s nowhere to go back to. Great Britain and France have both filled themselves up with interlopers. Maybe Greenland? Yeah Greenland – that’s it – that sounds like a great… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

It has already come to it.

Who lives next door? Are they going to choose to fight with you? How many of your neighboring families can you trust to fight with you?

Who are you going to fight? How? Where?

You need to have plans for this in place and people to carry them out. Are you doing that?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Fight for what? Until you have a goal, you have no will. You are not fighting for peace and prosperity . You are fighting to live among people with similar customs and ethnicity or optionally in order to take power to enforce your customs on people. Our side lacks the crucial will to power and until its unfucks itself and say “I want to live in X social conditions and non cooperators will be expelled, punished or executed as needed.” it can’t do anything offensive. Forget your life, forget money , its 100% ideology all the way down and building… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

Then make it count for God’s sake and fight with your Brother’s on the left and right of you so you know victory and not shame and defeat…

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

And where are you going to go? It’s not 1650 any more – or even 1850 for that matter. There’s how many BILLIONS of people on the planet? I see suggestions for Greenland, Mars – and upper Canada. Translation= “I’m a moron”. Those places are uninhabited FOR A REASON. There is nowhere to go. There is no more western frontier. And unless you plan on building a colonial army and killing darkies by the 100’s of thousands places like Africa are even off-limits. And if you were going to do that – why not fight to defend THIS place? All… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

This continent selected for people who could thrive on the frontier, be that 17th Century Pennsylvania, 1820’s Minnesota, or 1880’s Arizona. Those who could hack it thrived and reproduced, and those back in Europe with the inclination to try were the ones who got on the boats.

We don’t have that now. That’s simply a statement of fact. It’s a biological reality that needs to be dealt with.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

All I see from you is inchoate frustration and demands that we all stand and fight – no plan or purpose.

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

Not too many people are looking to establish a jamestown colony or build Praetoria. There are cities you can settle in all over the world.

Staying to fight is fine but unless and until people have a general will to do it that’s just telling people to commit suicide on the way to handing the bad guys a massive PR victory.

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Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Again – WHAT greener pastures? Where is that Mars? Greenland? I’m supposed to take those suggestions seriously? You say our ancestors came here because they were pulling up stakes and heading for greener pastures – well another thing they did – was fight for the land they came to. The “natives” who were here – still bitch to this day about how whitey pushed them out. If you’re going to compare the present day people to what our ancestors did – maybe you ought to be making the analogy to how they pushed out the natives – instead of one… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

I hang my head. I’m thinking “hunker down”, but we are still the numerical majority. If we had a government that backed us, we could go all WWII on some ungrateful asses.

We did it before. Materiel production in WWll was nothing short of astounding.

Dads, a sailor during and after, said that “after the War, we were gods”.

I probably have a dozen other siblings I’ll never meet, from Japan to Africa to Venezuela.

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Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

At the very least I don’t see any point in giving the people who engage in defeatist thinking a free pass by not saying anything. And all of the suggestions about forming a new country in the Midwest, running away to places like Greenland or upper Canada – or emigrating to some unnamed magical country where whitey can live in peace – deserve to be called out for idiocy that they are. Magical thinking will NOT solve the problem. Maybe once that is beaten back some people who don’t have their heads stuck firmly in their asses on this whole… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

We’ve had this conversation a dozen times before. You can’t tell THEM to go unless and until YOU have enough guys to make THEM go – and enough influence to keep YOU from getting from being arrested in the process. If YOU live someplace like Lagos, MD, St. Louis, NYC or Los Angeles there aren’t enough of YOU to make THEM leave. And is fighting for the needle point of a fragile supply chain that’s dependent on the countryside for food, water and every basic necessity worth it? Regrouping on more defensible ground is rallying, not running. Choosing to die… Read more »

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I agree with your general point except

”If YOU live someplace like Lagos, MD, St. Louis, NYC or Los Angeles there aren’t enough of YOU to make THEM leave”

If by YOU you mean whites there’s WAY MORE than enough of us to make them leave. There’s not enough will and there’s too many of us on the other side.

White South Africans could absolutely deport or exterminate every black there, huge numbers of low IQ disorganized people are not a threat. The problem is the opposition from whites elsewhere and lack of unity within.

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Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Anonymousse
4 years ago

The problem is the opposition from whites elsewhere and lack of unity within.
So do you really think that there will ever be unity in a city where no one trust their fellow man???
If your answer is no then why would you even think about staying in the city where it would be just you fighting against everyone else…

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Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Truth right there Brother…

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

”This is exactly why we’re going to lose.”

Ok now I’m confused… should we stay and fight because we can win, or run because we’re going to lose.

You seem to be advocating stay and fight SO we can lose and that doesn’t compute as a strategy for people interested in their racial OR individual family survival.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Meme: Intermountain west, or the south if you have family ties.

Boom Shakalakka
Boom Shakalakka
Reply to  Educated.redneck
4 years ago

You need an ocean, bubba. Trade for commodities is a necessary thang, and the intermountain west lacks an ocean. The US south will be Mexico-Honduras soon enough, and it doesn’t have enough fresh water or arable land. We need the top third of the US from Maine to Alaska joined with Alberta and then we’ll have a sustainable homeland. Blacks are already self-deporting up there and heading to the warmer climes. You may not have received the news but we who live up here hear about this “crisis of fleeing blacks” (oh no! we must be doing something wrong!) and… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
4 years ago

We want fresh water more than salt.

I’m all for merging US and Canadian Whites but the most problematic parts of Canada are in the East within 200 miles of the US border (something like 80% of Canada’s population).

The wild portions along the NE border, above the UP of Michigan and all the way West are prime territory for Our Guys.

Alzaebo
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

That’s why Whitney’s comment about nomadism got me thinking about the near future- into the interstices of cultural territory, perhaps?

Like Masonic enclaves. They wait, holding the sciences of rebuild, for civilization to fall again. That’s the meaning of the Architect’s tools, their symbol.

Right now, we’re dealing as a people with massive non-White overpopulation. Their growth and global hypermobility are all due to means White men created.

Enclaves may be the best we can do, for now, until the Crash.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Wherever the nearest largest group of based Whites live so long as you have fresh water, food and reasonable separation from ZOG and poz.

We’re recommending the NW states, Appalachia and the Ozarks but there are a few other spots.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

ever see the movie “Deliverance”? you are “Bobby”

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

If you really believe in the doomsday scenarios for the US and/or western Europe you should be looking into eastern europe for long term settling, or asia/south america to hide out for a few years.

This is obviously much easier for those with means, but anyone sufficiently determined could make it happen.

I don’t think most people predicting civil war any day now REALLY believe it though, this is becoming the right wing version of saying you want your kid in a diverse school.

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Exile
Exile
Reply to  Anonymousse
4 years ago

North America has too many physical advantages and too many Whites still in residence to make leaving a better option.

We just need to bring our numbers together, organize, educate and grow the old fashioned way.

A generation’s worth of healthy family formation will bring enormous leverage and boost our spirit as a people.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

Yes. Like I keep telling people: I absolutely refuse to pay for reparations. I will however consider paying for repatriation.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

offer any negro $100k to forfeit their citizenship and move back to Africa. pay them in Zimbabwe dollars 🙂

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

That would be 36,000,000 ZWD. I guess they ran out of zeros and had to revalue 🙂

b123
b123
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

I’m not afraid of death. I don’t think anybody on the Zblog is.

I could flee Canada to Europe but I’m going to live and die here.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  b123
4 years ago

A lot of guys crying about us “running away” here are afraid of living more than 15 minutes from a Wal-Mart or getting fired from their McJob.

Risking death is hardly in the cards, sorry.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

How about living, holding a rifle victoriously over your head a la Charlton Heston? Remember, the point of war is to make the other sumbitch die for his cause. Move to where you are with your own, for seconds (starters is have a family).

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  North American Vespers
4 years ago

New father here as well. The first time I looked at my son, I knew that I would carry that fire inside of me until my death. What could he not be inspire me to do?

The people who treat kids as some kind of onus are objectively retarded. I can’t wait to have another. Maybe a girl this time.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Lanky
4 years ago

If you love your kids then get them in a Community of your people…I know you’re working on it Brother..

Moss
Member
Reply to  Lanky
4 years ago

Lanky.
Children are HUGE blessings. Have many. I’ve got 3. I wish it was 10.
There is NOTHING more eternal and moving on earth than to look at your child and think of their future. You’ll draw on the strength of ancestors like you’ve never experienced.
We are going to win. There is an enormous cost and it’s already charged against us. I pray we take more of their sons than ours to accomplish it.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Moss
4 years ago

Amen Moss. I pray that I will find my gifts to share with my community but nothing will make up for the fact that I never had children. The malthusian doomsdayers need not apply. They have done enough damage. All my one-and-done friends have lots of nice things and many view their kids as one more extension of that. Its sad. But also one of many aspects of a toxic landscape and broken communities. I just got back from riding horses with my niece and nephew through high sage brush and pine trees. Simple beauty all around. When people complain… Read more »

Moss
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

Screwtape, As a father of sons, I treasure the few men I allow to speak into my boy’s lives. Some lessons are better learned from trusted men, NOT their father. You probably make for an epic Uncle. Good on you. Your gift and investment in those kids will become part of the character fabric of their life. That position, cherished Uncle, is vital to the strength of a stable, healthy family. I lost my brother to leukemia 15 years ago. I miss him regularly and see him in my oldest son. What a gift it would be to have him… Read more »

Jacques Lebeau
Member
4 years ago

The phrase “all men are created equal” refers (as I understand it) to the individual’s moral or spiritual worth and their standing before the law. The authors never intended the phrase to mean “all men have exactly the same talents and abilities,” much less that “everyone has to have the same positive outcome” — which is what the phrase has been twisted to mean these days. The obvious fact is, men have different talents, different characters, different goals –so outcomes will always be different. If the differences in talent and skills are race-based to some extent, well, that is just… Read more »

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Jacques Lebeau
4 years ago

We are presumed equal at birth and thereafter facts and law will tend to demonstrate various inequalities that play out over time, some sooner and some later. The logic flaw in the enemy’s “religion” is they truly believe equality must persist throughout an individual’s lifetime. It does not, clearly. I used to be enabled to bench press well more than three-hundred pounds. Today I am over age fifty and can manage a bit more than half that weight in the bench press. I have demonstrably declined and, yet, following the enemy’s religion a strapping twenty-year old, if they still exist,… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jacques Lebeau
4 years ago

My experience is that most all Lefties can accept individual differences among men. It’s when one compares “group” differences that they become resistant.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

i don’t know, seems like they need to pretend that everyone is exactly like every one else. retards aren’t retarded, the lame can run, the blind can see, etc etc etc

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

Even among groups might be ok, as long as it’s not a race. But then, maybe I’m a groupist?

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Jacques Lebeau
4 years ago

Either interpretation of your cherished lie is still a lie. No one is created equal in any way; this is how the Lord made us, and to rebel against that fact of nature is to rebel against truth and Heaven.

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Jacques Lebeau
4 years ago

That ‘obvious fact’ is neither obvious, nor a fact to the vast majority of the melanin enriched population, media, various other…minorities.., college campi denizens nationwide – and no small segment of the political class, mainline religious denominations, Fed, state, local court systems, Sportsball Inc (ironically), and sundry pathological altruists.
With those few minor exceptions, I agree.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Jacques Lebeau
4 years ago

Equality before the law was the idea. It’s gone now. Soros bought DAs in Portland, Seattle, Chicago and New York are running it in our faces. Beat up a passerby while wearing Antifa or BLM colors – no charges. Wearing Proud Boy colors – 3 years for felony assualt.

This new inequality of law enforcement will do more to get Whitey to break with the past than anything else.

Felix Krull
Member
4 years ago

This may prove to be easiest in Europe, as Europeans have a genuine conservatism in their past they can pull out of storage. And because we have proportional representation. If you get 2-5% of the vote, nationwide, congratulations, you’re in parliament. My problem is this: there have been plenty of non-con alternatives in Europe already, but every time they’re voted within striking range of real power, they are subverted by the globalists. Examples are: The Danish People’s Party, The Norwegian Progress Party, the Sweden Democrats, UKIP and Front National – and those are just the one’s I’m sure about. How… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Zman said, “any engagement in conventional politics should be limited to recruitment.”

I add, “And voting for Trump!”

(Oops. Sorry. I lost control there for a second.)

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

Proportional Representation would be a net positive for us. I’m hoping that a state will try this in the coming years.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

It’s very important in the long run. The two party kosher sandwich system has been deadly effective in crushing effective dissent. We won’t get a shot at that until the major parties take more major damage though.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Proportional Representation is something I could see the Left getting on board with, so long as they don’t think it’s our idea.

Lanky
Lanky
4 years ago

Sitting with my wife’s family and thinking that maybe it’d be best if Biden won; that why, maybe they’d FINALLY shut the hell up about Trump. It’s like this weird status signifier: who can think up the snarkiest thing to say about Orange Man? It’s all just so, so tiresome. Yeah, let’s shit on Trump, but let’s completely ignore the fact that the left has orchestrated an attempted coup, supports the normalization of having sex with kids, and is committing elder abuse by electing an actual dementia patient. Don’t those things constitute a far greater threat to the integrity of… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Lanky
4 years ago

I have those feelings too, at times. Not over a Biden win per say. Just with all of it. The constant conflict is mind boggling. It just beats you down. Lefty has all the neurotic energy of a hungry rat. I can’t keep up.

Rich
Member
Reply to  Frip
4 years ago

And that’s exactly what they’re putting on Trumps back.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Lanky
4 years ago

“But…He still refuses to release his tax returns!” 🙂
Apolitical? Are you sure you don’t mean “apocalyptical?”

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Chris
Chris
4 years ago

It’s bizarre that the Declaration of Independence has come to constitute a statement of radical racial equality when such a view was the opposite of what the author of that document believed.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Chris
4 years ago

The document is a list of legal transgressions committed by the King and made the case as to why this constituted the grounds for severing ties. The “all men are created equal” phrase was meant to distill the arguments that would follow into a simple statement. Jefferson was referencing the equality the colonists had a right to expect as subjects of the king.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

Some amusing reading is to read the British response to the DOI.
TLDR: WTF is Jefferson talking about?
https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/1776-hutchinson-strictures-upon-the-declaration-of-independence

Reed Hill
Reed Hill
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

Yes, I’ve understood that phrase to be the explicit rejection of the Divine Right claimed by nobility and that the author was asserting that this claim was unjust and made invalid by the gross injustices inflicted by the noble upon the common. It’s a statement that indicates that our new nation will consider all men equal before the law and God, with no special privileges by birth invoked to settle disputes. It’s aspirational rather than practical in many ways, as we know, since money and power move to create rank and with it, privilege, and therefore as a practical, special… Read more »

Rick Rodriguez
Reply to  Chris
4 years ago

Very accurately noticed!

TomA
TomA
4 years ago

Evolution precedes biology, and by extension, everything else. What this means is that we are adapting to the modern world of affluence and post existential hardship and threat. Instead of a natural environment that culls the herd of the stupid and weak, we now live in an artificial environment that promotes parasitism, obesity, and hive-minded conformity. We are devolving into an insect-like species. And a newfangled political philosophy is not going to cure that.

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sentry
sentry
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

evolution is imaginary doctrine of prometheans, if you mean to say adaptation then sure, living organisms can adapt to all sorts of conditions.
Robots functions like insects, that is true, this is what elites promote, but humans stay the same, no evolution there.
The fact that enlightenment failed to change man into an atheistic drone makes them hate us even more. Now they want to fry our brains with chips(chips will induce pain into human brain if you do not submit) & vaccinate us into oblivion.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

It’s very likely that such a conditional will not be sustainable. Therefore, the question is, What comes after?

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

That world is built upon massive amounts of “borrowed” and printed money though. So it’s a world built on financial quicksand. It’s also built on “easy” energy. If peak oil really is a thing (I’m not sure that it is) – then much of the modern world may be on the verge of disappearing. Much of the incentive behind locking everybody down because of the corona virus – seems to be coming from elite elements who want to push the whole “green society” agenda. People like Kunstler are claiming that the modern world is on the verge of collapse –… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

peak oil is made up nonsense. find the earliest mention in the press, then find all the new oil fields found since then. then add in fracking. did you know that traditional oil pumping only reaches the easiest 1/3 of oil, in a given field? the world will be running on nuclear energy before oil runs out. key point is energy density. how many pounds of oil, does it take to match the energy in one pound of uranium? 2m. that’s right, uranium is two million times as energy dense as oil. and that’s also why climate alarmism is so… Read more »

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Peak oil has been a thing almost since Col. Drake first ‘discovered’ it in PA. What’s the line on energy density of uranium vs wind and solar power? (I suspect my calculator doesn’t have enough 0’s)

Federalist
Federalist
4 years ago

What do you mean by a passive ethno-nationalism?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

I have disagreements with Greg Johnson, but he is absolutely correct on his central point: the case for Whites is a moral one. This isn’t to say a post-United States America will be achieved without conflict, possibly violent because communists don’t cede territory passively, but your point that it cannot be endless conflicts with others is well-taken. The Whites’ state-sanctioned enemies have made the moral case. Each burning, each beating, each murder, while so-called law enforcement has sided with the criminals, has shown this is a moral case. This is not an argument for submission to violence, but using what… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

I think some of the components of a moral case are right out there in the open now. The BLM/Antifah crowd has been making their argument about “black lives matter” using a laundry list of criminals as their martyrs of choice. And they’ve been rioting and burning and looting, all with the acquiescence of a good part of the power structure – because they would like you to think that we’ve finally reached some historical inflection point where they can make the moral argument that whitey has been oppressing blackie – and it has to stop. If you look at… Read more »

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

calsdad said: “The BLM/Antifah crowd has been making their argument about “black lives matter” using a laundry list of criminals as their martyrs of choice.” Auster’s First Law of Majority-Minority Relations in Liberal Society: “The worse any designated minority or alien group behaves in a liberal society, the bigger become the lies of Political Correctness in covering up for that group.” Corollary: “The more egregiously any non-Western or non-white group behaves, the more evil WHITES are made to appear for noticing and drawing rational conclusions about that group’s bad behavior.” Conclusion: “The First Law and its corollary are intrinsic to… Read more »

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diconez
diconez
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

in short, martyrdom remains important.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

It’s the borders part where the rubber meets the road – and where various versions of conflict could arise. That said, many communities already have carved out parts of cities for themselves without much or any violence. Regardless, the path forward seems clear: Normalize and then legalize freedom of association for Whites (everybody else already has this) Form White communities, political groups, cultural groups, schools, etc. Gain more and more political autonomy Homeland If I live to see steps 1 and 2, I’d be very happy and, frankly surprised, i.e. this is a very, very long process. In my lifetime,… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Whether its revanchist Damn Yankee/Good White holdouts, Neo Reds or someone else, there will be war sooner or later. And note while this is not a peon for more immigration (I’m a repatriation guy) Whites and Hispanics in many areas get along far better than Good Whites and Deplorables every have. We are our own worst enemies. Ultimately the way things are configured, a genocidal multi-ethnic political war is inevitable. There are very few ways if any to split FUSA into contiguous States that don’t involve pogrom. Assuming Our Thing comes out with a win, this means the new State… Read more »

Reactionary Utopian
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

Ultimately the way things are configured, a genocidal multi-ethnic political war is inevitable. There are very few ways if any to split FUSA into contiguous States that don’t involve pogrom. And there’s the difficulty, maybe the intractable difficulty. Everybody likes to draw up fantasy maps, but the cultures are too well mixed everywhere. And, you know … if you plot everyone on a frequency distribution over intelligence, or industriousness, or the willingness to regard the other guy’s stuff as his, you get these normal distributions. Bell curves. The negroes are shifted to the left of the whites by a standard… Read more »

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Reactionary Utopian
4 years ago

There are complications. We are so far away from Whitopia that it’s almost futile to talk about it in any detail. The battle at this point is one mind at a time. Adam Haner, the white man who got knocked out in Portland with a sucker kick to the head by a vicious spear administrator who was wearing a “Security” t-shirt has regained consciousness after two days in a coma and says that he had marched with BLM in the past. He says he’s not seeking vengeance for the attack and is leaving it to “karma” to set things right.… Read more »

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Joel
Joel
Reply to  Reactionary Utopian
4 years ago

IMO, the answer is that we have a set of standards in Whitopia, disparate impact is protected constitutionally, and people who adhere to those standards for a number of years can become citizens.

Their children will revert to the mean, but it shouldn’t be a huge shift, and we’ll filter out the worst by the initial denial of citizenship to people who fail to meet our standards.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

The second question is, does this allow for some diversity? A Korean manicurist here, a Mexican laborer there. But still an ethnic super-majority, and the Korean & Mexican had better assimilate?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

How has that worked out? It may be necessary, at least initially, but I don’t think it would have a different ending. I’m open to contrary arguments but my initial reaction is “no.”

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

I have to disagree. Its not first gen immigrants that cause problems. Not even the illegal ones really. The massive damage is inflicted by their children. Devoid of any real roots of their own, second generation immigrants (and mixed race people) are the perfect communists, literally shorn of their nations and and left economic units. Its no wonder many end up like African Americans with racial grievances instead of a cultural history and degenerate consumerism as a replacement for self expression. The only identity possible is negative. We can have immigrants but they must go back within their lifetimes and… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 years ago

It’s an academic question at this point – we’re decades short of being able to enforce these kinds of policies – but the thing to keep in mind is that we don’t need immigrants who stay for decades. Short-term for things like tourism and legitimate cultural contact yes, but unless someone is marrying a citizen, there just isn’t a need or a compelling interest in allowing any kind of long-term immigration. In the short-mid-term we’re going to have to accommodate the rainbow-poz cities and tolerate more mixing at the fringes because we don’t have the power to say otherwise. For… Read more »

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Moss
Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

For now focus on developing White core areas that will be the nuclei for a network we can build out from.

Physically investing in White communities, yes! But also the language and pride of culture. We must begin pressing back on those around us that are actively and passively destroying White individuals. We’ve given up too much ground in language, culture, etc.

Building in the physical realm is certainly key. But we can begin right this minute to begin training ourselves to think White, speak White, dream White, and love White!

Royaliste
Royaliste
Reply to  Moss
4 years ago

Hear, hear!

Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Yep, I think these are all interesting things to argue over but people in this thread are getting way out ahead of themselves. We’ve got a whole civilization to rebuild and we need (sorry for the corp-speak) a core team for that project. Right now, whites themselves are the biggest problem, or rather I should say GoodWhites. Before we start any pogroms against other groups we need to (re)develop our own core tribal group and values. We need to start our own march through the institutions and begin to un-person and remove GoodWhites wherever we find them. Everyone who knows… Read more »

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 years ago

Its not first gen immigrants that cause problems…The massive damage is inflicted by their children.  Exactly. A person who immigrates as an adult knows who and what he is and views the new society as an outside observer, just as a tourist would. But the children grow up in and really only know the new society. Unlike the first generation immigrant, they are in some ways part of the new society but are still alienated from it. It used to be popular to say immigrants are OK so long as they assimilate. Now, when they assimilate they are assimilating our… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

The eternal magic buzzword of ‘assimilation.’ Historically this was achieved by killing off the men and breeding with the local women (proven by numerous genetic studies). Today, the Mohammedan neighbor who wears jeans and eats pizza is termed assimilated. So, too, Jewish neighbors who even have a Christmas tree. And Chinese friends are so nice, they go to church (a Chinese one, of course) and speak accent-free English. Genuine modern-day assimilation means generations of adaptation and intermarriage. Instead of numericans, the result is always some new melange.

Septeus7
Septeus7
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 years ago

I’ll add my 2 cents. I’m half Mestizo or 75%+ white ala a 39 year old Nick Fluentes type and I think there are several factors on which side mixed race people go towards. A father in home make big difference in life and outcomes and political outlook. My parents were silent generation so my outlook is more conservation other mixed race individuals so think the tendency towards the left is because immigrants tend left. I look very white and Z-Man is right. It is a Skins game and the more white looking a mixed person is the more likely… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Septeus7
4 years ago

I’ve found that most “Hispanics” whose families arrived prior to Hart/Celler look like well-tanned Whites and don’t speak a lick of Spanish.

Dude Vegas
Dude Vegas
Reply to  Septeus7
4 years ago

Racial purity in America is rare and unworkable. Our game is a skins game with a link to demonstrated group tendencies. I am effed in a sense. My genetic tests, under an alias through legal counsel, prove I am soley of N’west European biology. My name, however, is highly ethnic Caucasian as in from the Caucasus Mountains and a race as dark in general as the Kardashians (hint). I am a bastard, which everybody including me knew when I was very young. I screwed up the courage to ask mom when I was ten and we both knew she was… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Dude Vegas
4 years ago

So this is pretty much your ethnic background?

https://youtu.be/rTmL4goF4nA

Dude Vegas
Dude Vegas
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Good shot. There is a clear demarcation between West Coast and the rest of us in terms of intelligence, standards and behavior. But regrettably you have accurately captured something to be held at arm’s length. Peace out.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 years ago

Strongly disagree. Any generation immigrants are a problem (legal or illegal is yet another shell game; I’ve been a visa officer and about 95% of those who are ‘legal’ became so via illegal means and talmudstry). They come not for ‘muh freedumbs’ but for money and stuff. There is no skill, no talent, no ability, available out among the world that we cannot provide for ourselves.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  3g4me
4 years ago

There doesn’t seem to be any standard short of a terrorism conviction that can keep out immigrants from the chain-migration or diversity-lottery visa programs.

Moss
Member
Reply to  3g4me
4 years ago

There is no skill, no talent, no ability, available out among the world that we cannot provide for ourselves.

Amen. I’m willing to shut down the importation long enough to find out. I’d say 20 generations of White will do it.

b123
b123
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 years ago

Yup. See it over and over again in Toronto.

1st gen immigrant is a decent guy. His kids despise me and all whites. Public school doesn’t help.

All immigration must stop as well as birthright citizenship.

Dude Vegas
Dude Vegas
Reply to  b123
4 years ago

The problem in Toronto is white women. Worst ever anywhere.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 years ago

May I ask where you live? Because around here crime (particularly human trafficing, meth, heroin, carjackings, home invasions, not to mention identity fraud) would be almost non-existant except for the Brazilian and Dominican immigrants. And that’s separate from the welfare abuse.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

It is always going to be risky, but diversity should be like spices – enough to add flavor, but not enough to overpower. In other words, limits. I don’t see why, if we had country immigration quotas in the past, we can’t have them now. It is really about the will to enforce it. But, my solution would simply be freedom of association. If you want a white bread mayonnaise sandwich town, you are free to have it. If you want the curry with one pepper, fine. If you want the five pepper curry, go for it. And let nature… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  c matt
4 years ago

You let the camel nose under the tent and you will always get the camel in the tent with you on the outside…You really think the other races have any tendencies towards letting white people just live their lives and not bothering them…Just Say No…

Michael
Michael
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Look around the US. Mostly, the only gringos who exhibit any racial solidarity in voting are those who live with blacks. Whitopian gringos are nearly universally clueless moderates or progressives. OTOH in Texas, Mississippi, etc whitey votes whitey 70%+. Doesnt this suggest that whitey is too dumb to live in utopia? Or, to be fair, a utopia whose media messaging is nearly universally universal, equalitarian, civnat, and anti-white?

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Michael
4 years ago

I think most white men voted Trump(stand in for white party candidate), it’s the white women(those that aren’t married) they’re the problem, I might be mistaken.

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Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

I think you’re correct on that. But that points to white men not being able to control their women.

And it’s why I think that Heartiste’s site was one of the most critical resources out there for getting men’s minds right.

If you can get your mind right about women, then you can get your mind right about a lot of other things.

It was big loss when he was memory holed.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

Perhaps we really are fragile. I see Heartiste on Gab but there is no valid reason he couldn’t spawn another site. Yet he hasn’t done so.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

Michael said: “Mostly, the only gringos who exhibit any racial solidarity in voting are those who live with blacks.”
White women not supporting Trump doesn’t seem to apply for the kind of people “who live with blacks.” At least in places like Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, white women will support Trump only a little less than white men will.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama
Look at the marriage rates in those areas.

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Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Michael
4 years ago

I’ve always wondered about this. I suppose in Whiteopia, it’s easier to buy into the progressive narrative and assume real blacks are like the ones you see on TV. But what about places outside of the Deep South where there are a lot of blacks? Is it that the blacks are concentrated in the cities so that the whites in more rural areas aren’t exposed to blacks very much?

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Federalist
4 years ago

Those blacks can defend themselves from other hordes of their own kin, it’s not whites who’ll bother them. Whites will leave them alone, they have the right to live a segregated life from whites(same applies to whites who wanna separate from blacks) & take care of themselves & their own families.
Basically every race has the right to self governate.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

Basically every race has the right to self governate.
Yea but only the white race can do so effectively without any help from any other race…

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

Truth be told we don’t know. Cause after whites industrialized the planet everyone has been under they rule, more or less.
For example american blacks can’t go back to jungle life, they have no skills for such things.
We know what happened in Africa with farms after whites left, but those africans had their roots intact, they were never truly domesticated.
Alabama blacks are very different from african blacks & they love Jesus, that’s why I’m 50/50 on them.
Koreans & japs don’t need whites at all.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

Koreans & japs don’t need whites at all.
Well then let’s stop funding them and we can see if they can make it on their own…

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Marko asked if passive ethno-nationalism allows, “for some diversity? A Korean manicurist here, a Mexican laborer there. But still an ethnic super-majority.” Jack answered “no.” I disagree, based on Tykebomb’s observation that “citizenship must be determined by blood.” Non-citizens can’t vote. Thus, so long as social norms comprehensively enforced, the spice of diversity shouldn’t be banned. (Those of you who object, see the word “comprehensively” above; immediate and permanent ejection/banishment would be the response to violation of ethno-nationalistic norms: You can’t live here anymore.)

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MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

Perhaps better to not admit them in the first place than to be permanently policing them?

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  MBlanc46
4 years ago

Everyone gets equal policing. Those who violate the rules—no matter their ethnicity—get ejected. It worked for the ancient Greeks.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  MBlanc46
4 years ago

Its the “grains versus pile” thing. At some indeterminate point, “spice” becomes permanent low level war with constant policing and vigilance. We have learned that coexistence with piles of sand means NKVD/CNT-FAI levels of violent, controlling retribution, or failing to keep that exhausting level of violence, 80,000+ of our women get raped by them every year and our cities get burned down every decade. That’s not a great choice. If “spice” is eventually allowed, it must be so minute and controlled that the grains of sand never become a pile of sand, because the only solution then is horrific.

Joel
Joel
Reply to  Educated.redneck
4 years ago

I think we make an exception for Muslims. They have proven that they cannot coexist with anyone, including themselves.

Christina
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Doesn’t work in democratic societies (or even democratic republics), especially with universal voting franchise.

For it to work under a voting scheme, tiered voting would be best, but no guarantee. With technology, tiered voting should be doable.

Basic, local and limited voting… like for city ordinances governing waste removal or zoning… could be open to all living in the area. Leadership and representative voting could be limited to people conferred membership by the community. A different tier for higher office voting, etc.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Christina
4 years ago

There’s two sides to the voting problem. One is who you let vote – and the other is what they are voting for. If you look at what the vast majority of people who are destroying the nation are voting for – it’s more “free shit” And I say “free shit” in all of it’s possible permutations. For women it’s free abortion and child care and job preferences. For blacks it’s welfare and job preferences and pretty much anything “free”. For Jews it’s more foreign aid for Israel – and laws against their prosecution for acting like enemy agents. For… Read more »

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Christina
4 years ago

Christina: democracy is the problem; it is the bug of western civ, not the feature.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Educated.redneck
4 years ago

Well, a ridiculously capacious franchise is the problem. Democracy of a rather restricted type within an overwhelmingly white society would, I believe, work.

Joel
Joel
Reply to  Christina
4 years ago

Or you have a monarch instead of voting. It worked for millennia for Europeans and East Asians, and we have no reason to believe that it won’t work in the millennia to come.

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

We’d have to supplement with some (top tier) diversity in the beginning. Once we get an idea of where our birthrates are headed, we can close the gates. It would also help us maintain a facade of openness. We can’t let the mask drop all at once.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Lanky
4 years ago

We’d have to supplement with some (top tier) diversity in the beginning. 

Why?

We can’t let the mask drop all at once.

If we’re in a position to dictate immigration policy, who would we be hiding from?

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

Then I suppose “passive ethno nationalism” can go either the white separatist way, or the super-majoritarian super-conformist way a-la 1950s America.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

How’d that super-majoritarian path work out.

Proposition nations don’t work.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

Had we not threw open the gates in 1965, I suspect it would still be working reasonably well.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

And yet, we did.
The ethnostate must have inviolate safeguards against demographic destruction. The US Constitution did not.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Yes they didn’t think whites would become suicidal so they didn’t plan for that…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

A lesson we can learn from America’s demise.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

More the conformism of the 1850’s, or maybe 1650’s. Those who don’t fit are removed, not “tolerated.” Tolerance is the devil’s argument for eventual acceptance, that has been tried and failed.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

Yes.

But they don’t get citizenship and neither do their children. The moment they or their offspring commit crime or otherwise prove unfit for purpose, they’re deported.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

Why would I want that?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

This is how I’d do it. Rule one, There will very few new immigrants. The highest that makes sense is about 1/1000th of the population so place like I dunno Colorado Springs might have 400 immigrants and say Phoenix might have 1600 or so in the entire city. It will be point based with White and Right getting the highest points Second, if you act and look White, no one cares about the odd Hispanic, Amerind, Asian or whatever it the muddy US gene pool. The old paper bag test should be sufficient. Third, if we allow non Whites in… Read more »

Pete
Pete
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

Are you idiots shitting me? NO IMMIGRANTS. ZERO. Jesus Christ….

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Pete
4 years ago

Nothing is more black-pilling than going to a site that is considered natzee, supreemacist, literally hitler, etc and see morons who are pro non-white immigration..

Meanwhile on the left, no one is going to argue over one of their core ideas.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

I could accept up to 5% minorities, but no blacks, no Moslems, and perhaps no Jews. In such a scenario, minority couples would not be allowed to have more than two children. Breaking that rule would result in immediate expulsion from Whiteland.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

I’m not as strict give how many White people have something else in the bloodline.
Also don’t want any government ,mine included running about policing family size.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

Assuming you’re genetically white, the guv wouldn’t be policing your reproduction.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

I don’t care. Nobody gets to do that. If we can’t get our people to have kids in a environment set up for it and where we are overwhelmingly in the majority but others are having babies than we deserve extinction. Besides a lot of putative White people have a bit of other anyway. I don’t give a fig about some guy who is 1/4 Indio, 1/4 Ute or 1/16 Japanese. I don’t really care about the errant passing Octoroon that slips through and is not subverting our society for that matter. This is as much tribal as anything. I’m… Read more »

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Are you going to test everyone? No thanks.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

Assuming genetic testing is reliable, yes. If you’re 51% white, you’re in like Flint.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Ostei Kozelskii said: ” In such a scenario, minority couples would not be allowed to have more than two children. Breaking that rule would result in immediate expulsion from Whiteland.”

Hahaha.You know, that Apartheid thing is a lot of paperwork. Why do you want minorities in whitopia in the first place? Save yourself the trouble and the trees and just keep them out.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Official Bologna Tester
4 years ago

I don’t want them necessarily, but in the quantities I’m talking about they can do no harm. What’s more, they provide a bit of political cover for potential trading partners.

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Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Marko
4 years ago

Marko said: “A Korean manicurist here, a Mexican laborer there. ”

Aren’t there any white people on this planet that can buff nails and trim hedges?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
4 years ago

Buckleyite Conservatism is a failed ideology, in many ways more discredited than communism if that is even possible. It muddled along as long as it did because it was seen as the only alternative to Marxism/Progressivism. As you point out, its failure was baked into the cake. People only recently caught onto the fact that Buckleyite Conservatism was a slow motion form of Progressivism. There is a huge, yawning gap between Americans and the United States as it exists today. Americans don’t have to really jettison their history so much as make certain they survive as a people. Our culture… Read more »

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JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Jack Dobson
4 years ago

I once saw Buckley throw a debate against Galbraith in the early 90s. I was right there in the auditorium. One of my first political experiences as a teenager. And I knew then that Buckley was a Huckster. A primordial version of some of the ones we have today. His son Christopher, a lib, wrote “Thank you for Smoking,” one of the most cynical and entertaining pieces of literature in the last 30 years. Where did he get this cynicism? Perhaps watching his grifter father pay the mortgage?

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

Buckley was more than happy to support the Vietnam War while making sure his children never entered it.
He was the very definition of having no skin in the game.and it showed.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

his closeted gay grifter psychopath father. there, i fixed it for you 😛

Basil Ransom
Basil Ransom
4 years ago

I just don’t know if we featherless bipeds can make nationalism work without having some sort of metaphysical belief tagged along to it. Blood and soil sounds great but when combined with high explosives, we get 20th century round two. Zman is correct that ethics and respect are the groundings for this New Theory but I don’t know if you can get to ethics and respect logically, by reason alone. There’s a reason for Throne and Altar when we get down to it.

At any rate, the religious are the ones breeding in whitelands so this problem might solve itself….

b123
b123
Reply to  Basil Ransom
4 years ago

Do we have data on how many people raised evangelical / trad cath actually stay conservative and don’t get pozzed?

Evangelicals might have an average of 2.5 children but if only 50% stay that’s essentially a fertility rate of 1.25 basically the same as liberals.

Anyways I never felt like evangelicals are going to fight for anything. Mostly good people with good values but they’re just going to be praying to Jeebus no matter who is in charge.

Most of “the right” are followers like that – we need leaders.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  b123
4 years ago

The Evangelical movement may have collapsed From what I hear its fertility is not much higher than secular these days and retention is pretty low. The LDS are doing not much better. The only groups that do well are those that have elaborate customs to keep themselves away from modernity. Amish, Orthodox Jews and the like. Modernity must go in order for a property society but I don’t know how, other than a spate of barbarism or a collapse to deal it out of the picture. And note to Space Bugs and Elon will Save Us types. Nope. You can… Read more »

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Basil Ransom
4 years ago

Belief in Jesus is as White as it gets, friend. Don’t just get right with God, get White with God.

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Boom Shakalakka
Boom Shakalakka
Reply to  Educated.redneck
4 years ago

Humans are much too complex for our existence and unnecessary self-awareness to sustain this long. The known universe is entropic by definition. My brain should not exist and it has no need to appreciate music or engage powerful mathematical theorems and solve extensive equations. Yet those aspects persist. God is real, and Jesus Christ is my Savior; I know this much.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Boom Shakalakka
4 years ago

I’d rather have an AR-15 for my savior. at least while there are negroes in the vicinity…

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Educated.redneck
4 years ago

as white as it gets in Israel, at least.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Israel is minuscule land though, there are Israel sized white places in USA.

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Alzaebo
Reply to  Basil Ransom
4 years ago

That’s why I’d like to appreciate, yet distance myself, from a certain Book. They were talking about their People, the “sons of Adam”, not all humankind. Their God, their pantheon, the elohim (the gods, -im is plural), as supreme above the invaders. They were dealing with the same problem as we are, but with a major difference. We were the invaders, and superior to them. Our cosmological speculation was that of engineers, as in “how did it begin? How does it work? What are the stars?” They were and are second-raters; their cosmological model is that of chastised women or… Read more »

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Tykebomb
Tykebomb
4 years ago

The frontier is the key. The whole structure of US history is rotten. The shining city on the hill is literally Puritanism. Fine, they are Americans too, but American history should emphasize they got here SECOND. America was founded at Jamestown. We have forgotten that after decades of Yankee control. Massachusetts not only won, they took sole ownership of America’s founding. Any rescue of the American people has to emphasize the men of Virginia, not Plymouth and definitely no William Penn’s followers. That way is invade the world, invite the world theology. Of course, you must side step the Lockean… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 years ago

Actors like Ward Bond, born in western Nebraska, were literally the children of pioneers. There is a certain authentic edge to them that still comes across the screen after all these decades.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

for an authentic edge, watch Jimmy Stewart in any movie he made after 1945.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 years ago

I don’t see it. Yes, the fighting kicked off in the Commonwealth, but when it came to representation in the Continental Congress(es) PA sent the most reps, followed by VA, SC, NJ and then MA. Regarding religion Anglicans dominated, followed by various Protestant denominations, nonconformists, and Roman Catholics.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 years ago

I personally relate to my Pennsylvania German ancestors more than the New England Puritans or the Second Sons of wealthy landowners in Virginia.

I doubt I am alone in this.

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sentry
sentry
4 years ago

In liberal eyes conservatism is/was only good for convincing whites from the south to fight the jewish wars, which lead to suffering of people from Middle East & Europe(migrant crisis).
All these people died(including american soldiers) just to satisfy whims of soros tribe leaders.

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b123
b123
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

We fight them over there so we can import them and fight them over here.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  sentry
4 years ago

Pretty sure there’s still a lot of normiecons who live in deathly fear of that huge ISIS Navy cruising just outside our 200 mile territorial limit – just waiting for the right moment to invade…………….

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

ISIS was an(other) Israeli proxy that murdered Christians and fomented regional war (that they also wanted the US trapped in). We should absolutely celebrate ISIS being crushed.

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JR Wirth
JR Wirth
4 years ago

The problem with rejecting universalism and egalitarianism is a free rider issue. Only about 5-10% of the population drives the entire population forward. The human race was designed to be mostly followers. You can’t build any society at all if everyone is an aspiring warlord. Even in a population that’s exclusively white, this would still be the case, with the vast majority watching TicToc videos while a small subset runs the place. Embedded in human nature is the desire to be a free rider. To expend minimal energy for maximum payoff. Universalism and egalitarianism are phenomenal free rider transfer mechanisms.… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

I’d say you can enumerate the people really in charge, without having to take your shoes off. nothing like 5% or even 1%.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

I’m including the regional and local level, and the important business drivers too. Not just politicians or bureaucrats.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

still well under 1% 🙂 see Dunbar’s Number…

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

He would be wrong. There are oversized footprints of men but not supermen. A lot more people keep the wheels silently in motion.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

We can (re)build a system that gives cogs a meaningful role. Existential angst and nihilist lassitude weren’t huge issues for our grandfathers and their forefathers.

In a system that afforded working men a measure of security, respect and the prospect of a decent future for their kids Whites did fine.

An honest pro-labor revival is needed as much as political reform. The libertarian/shitlib contempt for the working class has to go and our elites need to fear the rope enough to restore respect for the masses.

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Moss
Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

An honest pro-labor revival

Mike Rowe and his foundation are a one man parade. He’s operating from true, authentic appreciation for what has made America truly great…and it’s not fake tan.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Moss
4 years ago

That’s true. But unless you stop mass immigration and racial preferences in hiring and for business loans none of it matters. Taxes will go up, congestion will go up, housing prices will go up, and wages will stay flat or decline.

Moss
Member
Reply to  RoBG
4 years ago

RoBG, I’m operating out of the reality that no change can occur with the current scheme called the Federal Government. The house wins, every time. Perhaps you believe we need to vote harder to change the issues you identified? I believe that we must start, right now, with focusing on individuals. On OUR People. And begin the work of stripping their mind control and re-establishing long-held understandings about life. Work, family, dignity, honor, sacrifice, God, community. Out of this mental shift we can begin to operate from strong positions to affect change. I don’t deny that the issues you identified… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

The same labor unions that were anti-immigration even in the 80’s are now in the vanguard of attempting to fill the trades with browns and parroting each and every open borders line.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

This is why we need new unions led by guys who won’t sell out their families and race for shekels.

Alzaebo
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

Yup. How do you market against “Free S**t! Join Now!”

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Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

We are built for work. We must provide the fertile ground for the dignity of work. Skills and labor that is first and foremost accretive to the betterment of the community need to become high status. Status hierarchy must follow this; status accrues to young men who are productive. This must be front and center, transparent, and supported across every aspect of the community. Conversely and just as importantly, financialization, arbitrage, and other games of hucksters and clever sociopaths must be made low status. Men of worth will be attracted to the incentives to achieve status and respect through work.… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

Bringing back the stigma of the greasy-fingered Shylock would do wonders to push talented men back into productive work.

The (((finance industry))) sucks up the lion’s share of truly brilliant guys and has done so for years.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

The sensible thing any species does is conserve its energy. Laziness is natural and sound in any group of people. Hell Northern Europeans often went long periods doing nothing for good reason. And as for work? Doing what? All those fancy machines take away the need for labor and make much of what remains is either too poorly paid for a dignified family life or too specialized for the 90% of people with an IQ under 120 including Whites BTW. Technophiles and efficiency cuts than whine about welfare having to be paid to the people they laid off. Homie, you… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
4 years ago

This was a fair analysis, but one conservatives could not accept, as it would mean getting real jobs and doing honest work.

http://images.rapgenius.com/ea92169d33defb121c3f940a3aee4bbc.585x642x1.jpg

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
4 years ago

Life is Tribal, always was, always will be.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
4 years ago

Diversity, Inclusion, Equity (DIE) has anon been a frontal assault on white civilization. The attack comes in the form of demographics, invasion of intimate social space, and redistributive theft of white wealth. The new ideology must begin with a diametrically opposed stance vis-a-vis DIE. That means racial homogeneity, robust defense of freedom of association, and strong safeguards of public property, although not unbridled capitalism, which destroys tradition and cultural cohesion.

miforest
Member
4 years ago

right now our real concern is to come out alive from the bottleneck that the globalist are inflicting on us . with our family and fiends

Dutch
Dutch
4 years ago

The solution for us is, and has always been, bottom up organization at the local level—community. Because top-down governance has few of the direct human connections in the chain, which align with obligations and responsibilities. Also, the grifters too easily work their way into the top spots and take everything for themselves, when the matrix of face-to-face obligation and responsibility is absent. Another benefit of bottom-up and local is that there is obviously a culling coming along. The population, and the composition of the population (givers-takers, smart-dumb, honest-dishonest) is all out of whack and too large to function. Not everyone… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

really, the answer is quite simple. eliminate all government work at all levels. instead of a police force of paid unionists, citizen patrols in each neighborhood; that the neighborhood decides on. same thing with taxes; everyone is assessed a number of hours to work in the government; including bill gates. no more public sector unions, no more government pensions, no deep state.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Simple. Now tell us how you make that happen.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Scaling-down, integralism, localism, distributism, subsidiarity are all important lessons we should have learned from nature by now.

We’ve been high on our own supply of infinite growth, Progress, the arc and end of history, etc… Restoring the extended family and clan as the center of our polities instead of “the individual” (much less “corporate persons”) makes all the more sophisticated and complex issues much easier to solve.

There’s an emergent harmony and social spirit that arises from those arrangements that we’ve largely lost – just see the comments here and elsewhere.

Last edited 4 years ago by Exile
RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

GDP(or maybe not)! Money printer go brrrrrr! Stonks go up! None of the “ruling class” have any vision for the people beyond enriching themselves. None.

Moss
Member
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

The solution for us is, and has always been, bottom up organization at the local level—community.

Amen. It’s so simple yet elusive to our modern, slave-mind selves.
To quote Exile, “we’ve been high on our own supply”.

usNthem
usNthem
4 years ago

The idea that ALL men are created “equal” is just an egalitarian fantasy pushed by the lib left, probably beginning with the snivel rights movement in the bastardized decade of the 60’s. The founders certainly didn’t believe it and I imagine most Whites felt the same up until the crm. Pretty much anyone now alive has been steeped to one degree or another in that fantasy and it can be a hard one to jettison. But as this polyglot former nation staggers onward, Whites had better start looking out for numero uno, kith & kin as well as other right… Read more »

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
4 years ago

So it comes down to the old adage “we have to destroy the village in order to save it” Personally I’m not ready to use the Declaration and BofR as fireplace kindling and throwing what remains of our culture and history into the garbage pile like Z is. The thing is our system work but it only worked for whites with a moral and religious center. It stopped working when our ruling class decided import untold numbers of 3rd world primitives. Coupled with a all out war on white society and it’s values that is still going on to this… Read more »