The Management Problem

Media Note: I will be on the Killstream this Wednesday to celebrate the life and times of Abraham Lincoln. The show starts somewhere around 9:00 PM eastern and runs for a couple of hours. Are you into midgets? Westerns? Maybe midget westerns? Well, I watched Terror of Tiny Town and posted a review to my SubscribeStar page.


A defining feature of the managerial state is that it creates problems that require it to then fashion complex solutions to solve. A group of experts from the managerial class made some reform, which then created unintended problems. The solution is to draft a new set of experts from the managerial class to solve this new problem. Inevitably, this creates new problems and the process continues into forever. A good current example of this is what to do with the tech monopolies.

The reason we have tech monopolies is Congress drafted laws that allowed the firms to turn into behemoths. In gratitude, these firms then showered their favorite politicians with cash, in order to avoid getting the Microsoft treatment. This allowed the firms to get bigger and turn the thank you cash into threats. It is not unrealistic to think these firms are now able and willing to blackmail politicians with information gleaned from their social media, e-mail and mobile devices.

The starting point for this problem is Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, passed in 1996. Section 230 says that “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.” This means that on-line intermediaries cannot be held accountable for what passes through their network or platform. Specifically, the intent was to protect them from libel claims.

At the time, this made sense for two reasons. One was the government did not want the internet service providers walling off the internet as a collection of private domains that they policed as a private space. They wanted the internet to be open. Second, they were told that it was practically impossible to monitor what was posted on-line in real-time, so it would cripple this new industry to treat them as publishers. To let the industry grow, it had to be the wild west on-line.

So far, so good, but like everything else done by the technocrats, they created new problems they could solve at some future date. This immunity from libel claims, for example, has made it possible for the big social media companies to operate as regulators of the public square. It has allowed domain registrars to violate individual rights under the cloak of immunity. Even banks are getting into the act, claiming their web portals are covered under section 230.

This brings up another feature of managerial state. It is a strange version of Chesterton’s gate that is baked into their thinking. Once their creation is set loose, no one ever looks back to understand why they created it and what it was intended to do. It just becomes this thing that sprang from nothingness, like the organic institutions for which they have so little respect. We see this with Section 230. It’s just this thing that is either treated as a force of nature or a thing that must be destroyed.

The thing is, much of what ails us could be solved by simply going back to the original intent of the law. The tech companies argued that they should not be treated as publishers because they could not regulate what was on their platform and most important, they did not want to regulate the content. They just wanted to act as facilitators that allowed people to come together in the public square. It was not their job or intention to tell anyone what they could say on-line.

Right there is a solution to much of what is happening. If Twitter, for example, is regulating speech on its platform, then it is no longer covered by Section 230, because it is clearly able and willing to act as a publisher. We call a dog a dog because it has all the characteristics of a dog. Twitter is a publisher because it now has the vital characteristics of a publisher. Applying the original logic of the law to Twitter means it either stops censuring people or it transforms into something else.

Another simple remedy that exists in the law is property ownership. It is well established that when ownership of something is in doubt, the law starts at the creator and then establishes a chain of custody. Stolen goods for example, are returned to the last person who can establish ownership, either through a purchase agreement or proof there are the originator of the item. If you made it, it is yours until you agree to sell or gift it to another person, who then becomes the legal owner.

If we treated your information the same way we treat all other property in the western world, the tech companies would no longer be allowed to harvest this information without your permission. They would have to get your permission every time they sold your information. Most people, of course, would refuse and the business models of these firms would more from rentier to retail. They would have to charge you for the service they provide, like every other business.

Way back in the 2016 election, the liberal pundit Mickey Kaus observed that the Republican party could have cut Trump off early if they just adopted some of his ideas, especially on immigration. If they more gracefully advocated for some limits on immigration and maybe a new attitude on trade, Trump would have lost. They did not, so we will never know, but the implication was that they refused to go down that road because nefarious forces behind the scenes were preventing it.

We get similar argument about the tech monopolies. Congress is now conveniently split on how to address the problem. Bill Bar has initiated what will no doubt be a glacial process to file anti-trust claims against the tech giants. We’ll all be dead long before any of these turn into results. The assumption is that it is all just a show, while behind the scenes the pols bath in cash from the tech giants. It is certainly a useful and satisfying conspiracy theory, but it is mostly wrong.

The truth is, the managerial state turns the ruling class into children, always living in the moment and searching for a present distraction. Instead of taking the prudent and mature view of the problem, tracing it back to its origin and then simply applying the law as intended, they turn it into story time. In this story, they are once again cast as the strong female lead, taking on the sinister bad guys. You go girl. In order to defeat the bad guys, they must create a super complicated solution.

In many areas, this is not much of a concern. The issue of tech censorship is one that can largely solve itself. In order for Twitter to exist, they need the state to keep their competitor out of business, but those same children playing make believe in response to the problem are unable to maintain their end of the bargain. People will find a way to meet on-line and exchange ideas. The result will not be ideal or even very good, but it will allow people to communicate on-line.

This is not happening with important stuff like building roads and keeping the hospitals open. All over the country, technocrats agree that we need more new housing, so builder need more power to build developments. That results in the need for more road and more schools, but building roads is boring, so the children of the managerial state use their time dreaming up smart communities and smart transportation plans. They get to pretend they are smart and popular while the rest of us sit in traffic jams.

The observation about bureaucracy is it becomes sclerotic over time. The people inside the system stop caring about the purpose of the system. Something similar happens with the managerial state. The people inside become hyper-educated toddlers, unable to grasp the concept of time. They spend their days trying to impress each other with their highly complex public policy solutions. Governance becomes a giant parlor game where the more ridiculous the idea, the more the children cheer.

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huerfano
huerfano
4 years ago

I helped a client with a specialized debt collection scheme a few years back. It was in a ‘vital’ industry with almost guaranteed revenue, secured by real property, usually involving a few thousand dollars in debt. No one had defaulted on a payment since the 1950s. The group had only 4 people in it at the time, and the program ran itself. A while ago one of these managerial class types tried to force my client to adopt a few million dollar, three tiered program, to protect the ‘vulnerable’ payers who might be impacted during 3rd party bankruptcy proceedings. They… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  huerfano
4 years ago

an NGO or A Non-Profit is just a tax shelter and con where all the players pay themselves 600k a year.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  huerfano
4 years ago

“… racket for NGOs and other ‘grassroots’ organizations looking to extort money under the guise …” That is also true for affirmative action in academia. I’ve spent many years in it and met many, many people. I’ve met one genuine African-American and he didn’t need affirmative action to get ahead. The rest are all foreigners (Africa and Brazil) brought in to fill diversity billets. African-American (Africans with some European admixture) mean IQ is 85 and there are about 44 million of them. Baseline Africans with zero admixture have mean IQ 71, but there are more than a billion of them.… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
4 years ago

We can’t even get rid of something as archaic as the Tennessee Valley Authority, so I seriously doubt anything will be done until a dictator simply closes entire cabinet level bureaucracies.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
4 years ago

but building roads is boring, so the children of the managerial state use their time dreaming up smart communities and smart transportation plans. That’s the key line right there. Most everything these people have to do is to alleviate their boredom. Perhaps that can spare a few hours on a boring chore if they get to look good in front of peers. Once again, this harks back to the feminization of society – work must be a social club and ‘fun’. People seem to be forgetting that work was never something the vast bulk of people enjoyed – they just… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

The more complex the system, the more difficult it is to master, or even understand. Obviously. However, we have spent the last couple decades listening to the masses and mass media explain Earth’s climate, which has to be one of the most complex systems we will ever face. If they think they can understand global climate, how hard can communications and the internet be?

It’s just been one long con all along.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Outdoorspro
4 years ago

At the very least, we have some idea of how the fundamental building blocks of a telecommunication channel work. We have equations describing with great accuracy how certain circuits behave and Shannon’s Theory of Communication gives us valuable insights into what we can expect from such systems. In the physical world, again, at the very least the fluid movement of the atmosphere can be understood to a large degree by the forces of shear, viscosity, pressure and gravity… But the whole thing? As you say, one big con. But academia is full of bods touting the next big theory, each… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

I had a professor a long time ago who wrote a very good little book, Making Theories to Explain the Weather. In it, he started with very simple dynamics like smooth sphere, no oceans, mountains or rotation. Then piece by piece he’d add things like rotation, variable terrain, tilt, seas, mountains, etc. With each level of complexity, it became increasingly more difficult to “explain”, much less predict.

Fun class, but difficult. As a proper physics-based (yes, with the math) meteorology class should be.

Member
Reply to  Outdoorspro
4 years ago

This reminds me of the old joke in my physics classes — “We will start by modelling the elephant as a 5 ton sphere with a density similar to water…”

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Outdoorspro
4 years ago

Old time farmers used to smell the air and look up to the sky, they were more reliable forecasters than the coiffed haired homo on jewtube.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Outdoorspro
4 years ago

That book sounds very interesting. I’ll have a look.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Outdoorspro
4 years ago

I still remember early on that the major models predicting global warming did *not* take sun intensity into account, it was considered a constant. Took a few Russians beating at the doors to get them to take solar variation and sunspot cycles seriously—which was not a new discovery, but long known and measured. Of course, once they did accept this into their modeling, they now use our sun intensity decrease to explain why their predictions of doom and gloom were so off time wise. The talking point now is that the sun has given us brief respite to get our… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

Their career is not to excel at the responsibilities of their current position, it’s to continue moving up the ladder. The latter in no way requires success at the former.

Barnard
Barnard
4 years ago

Ted Cruz tried to get to Trump’s right on immigration after the first debate in 2015. It helped his campaign and let him get to the point where he was the last challenger to Trump standing. Much of the Republican establishment hates him on a personal level more than they hate Trump. I still think one of the major was factors in Trump’s win was the establishment’s decision to back Jeb. They thought they could pull off the same lies they had told in the past, like John McCain’s, “build the damn wall” commercial he ran when JD Hayworth ran… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Barnard
4 years ago

The hatred of Cruz was always because he was a magnet for evangelicals. With the same photos of him in prayer circles. I don’t know which Cruz I hate more, the pre-bearded one with the pompous facial expressions and high handed over the top Reagan worshiping rhetoric, or the post near-loss bearded one where all the small government talk is out the window, sitting there in silence as each stimulus bill is more grotesque than the next.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Barnard
4 years ago

Whenever a politician runs on immigration reform, ignore them. They’re lying.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
4 years ago

Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by malice.

If they were just children, their mistakes would favor us at least some of the time. While they are not exactly evil geniuses, they are evil.

whitney
Member
4 years ago

What do you think of the WHO backing off of the lockdowns? I don’t know if they’ve decided they made a giant error in one of their calculations or perhaps the spokesman just isn’t getting the cheese he wants any more because the lockdown bankrupted his favorite dairy. I can’t figure out if these people are stupid or smart or if they have visible goals or are just reacting wildly.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

I’m guessing the WHO backing off of the lockdowns is going to have as much effect as the video of Dr. Fauci from March 8 saying “masks don’t work.”

whitney
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

It’s not the same. No one said that recently and we’ve been ramping up masks for months and months now.

Raynard
Raynard
Member
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

Its getting worse. I don’t wear a mask. Ive been denied dental care, medical care, car maintenance, library visits. I wonder if I will be able to get a job. I can only pray that someone turn off the mask propaganda.

whitney
Member
Reply to  Raynard
4 years ago

It is getting worse. I wear them. It makes me so angry but I do it. I’m really thankful I don’t have to wear them very often but I have come to really hate these rich Karens saying everyone has to wear a mask because basically it’s rich people torturing poor people. And I know these rich witches. They don’t leave their houses, they get everything delivered to them and sally out a couple hours a week with their designer mask and that’s it. Having to wear a mask like that 8 hours a day is torture, it’s not just… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

I can vouch for what you say Whitney. Here before masks became necessary “by law”, the local hardware store had any number of their employees without them. Signs all over asking the customers’ indulgence and understanding that some of their weaker employees could not wear such for 8 hour shifts. I spoke to one of the clerks, she was happy I was not wearing a mask either. She had all sorts of problems with the masks and breathing. Unfortunately, the city adopted mandatory masks and both the city and county will suspend business licenses for violators under their emergency powers… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  CompscI
4 years ago

There’s widespread civil disobedience to Ohio’s mask mandates in rural areas, but Columbus is all in (I expect that’s true of other cities, but I haven’t been to them to check).

`Gandydancer
Member
Reply to  CompscI
4 years ago

Courts have supported unlimited use of these powers.”

Most significantly, Trump’s most recent SCOTUS nominee in an opinion OKing tyrannical measures in Illinois. His SCOTUS picks continue to disappoint.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Raynard
4 years ago

Just wait until the forced vax for travel and employment.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

I suspect it will initially be coercive. Get vax and you can live like a (almost) normal individual. No vax, no admittance to most public conveniences. This will most likely kill the exclusions for students and other anti-vax’ ers.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  CompscI
4 years ago

Don’t overly fret. Big Brother’s vaccine isn’t quite ready yet. MInor problems with lots of side effects, some of them rather serious… Add increasing evidence that having had COVID once will give you immunity for a few months, if that, to future re-infections. If natural immunity is so fleeting, to me it seems very unlikely that any vaccine would produce a longer-term immunity. In related news, I wimped out and got the annual flu shot. Based on my own history, never had an adverse reaction to previous shots, but it was the $10 gift card dangled in front of me… Read more »

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

Each person should make their own medical decisions. What you cannot do is impose your medical decision-making on me. I’ve never taken a flu shot, however, I have been vaccinated against rabies and other travel-related diseases because until The Covid I was a global wanderer, sometimes for months at a go. (planning is about as much enjoyment as the trip) I won’t insist we eliminate rabies by vaccinating you, take your cue and don’t impose on me please.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

And I’d heard there wasn’t much flu related illness in the Southern Hemisphere this year, so the strain guesses for us are a bigger crapshoot than usual, so most likely worth even less than usual. I rarely get one and this year is no different.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

There’s still scant evidence that reinfections are anything but rare. Perhaps that will change, but it’s even more likely that the virus will mutate into a seasonal nuisance, just as the Spanish flu is still out there a century later.

Locking down until there’s a vaccine is like refusing to save money for retirement because you plan on hitting the lottery. There has never been a human vaccine for any Corona virus (almost 20 years after SARS-Cov-1, and still nothing) and until the medical miracle happens, there’s no point in banking on a legitimate vaccine.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Bingo. Coming to every airline employee, taxicab driver, bus driver, etc. near you.

Condition of employment, and the neat trick is that employers will be shielded from lawsuits if the vax goes south.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Raynard
4 years ago

Chicago here. A few minutes ago I was banned from a local Foxtrot, which is a higher-end chain 7-11. I have a novelty mask made from netting. When asked to don a mask I did so with the novelty mask. This led to a confrontation regarding efficacy, porosity, guidance and notice for the consumer, etc. in my customary annoyingly calm voice a la Ben Stein’s teacher character in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off. So I am seriously contemplating setting them up for a law suit and then filing suit with intention to prosecute through jury trial with some sympathetic friends and… Read more »

Sandmich
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
4 years ago

Local businesses in Ohio try to play loose, but then the mask-stasi show up and fine the place, so I mostly wear my paintball mask, mostly out of respect for local establishments that I’d rather not see punished.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Sandmich
4 years ago

There isn’t enforcement in my neighborhood. The city leaves our businesses alone unless they fail to quietly donate to the local aldercreature.

Regardless, unless business pushes back against the unratified edicts these unconstitutional policies will continue ad infinitum.

You have to say no, I will not wear a face diaper. Recall when Fauci told the world masks have no efficacy? Today we have strong evidence his statement was correct.

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
4 years ago

Wow, you can’t even pop in to the corner store for a Slurpee and a Slim Jim without getting a lecture and guilt trip from a convenience store clerk.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Judge Smails
4 years ago

Pre-prepared fruit and cheese bowl plus a large coffee to go. Late breakfast/early lunch to be bicycled and consumed at home.

We’re now actually supposed to replace our mask between bites until the next food or beverage item can be shoved into our gullets when we eat or drink publicly.

Bloody effing ridiculous. Imbeciles.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
4 years ago

No one is going to enforce here in Cali where its thought to be the best policy as well. If they try, don’t come back. Most business excepting food stores are optional Ultimately the mask nonsense will end either when the costs get too high , the scum are voted out iun numbers or it goes hot and everyone is too busy not getting killed to bother with it. My guess is that this “change of ideas” is partially based on good science and partially based on “oh shit we meant to wound the economy so we could be rid… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Judge Smails
4 years ago

The best thing you can do is to avoid those places anyway. You can’t avoid shopping for basic stuff so you have to put up with it but convenience stores are optional and expensive. The less you spend the weaker the system gets. This is why I adore the F.I.R.E. Financial Independence Retire Early crowd. Sure they joke about cutting out the avocado toast and Starbucks and talk about being intentional in their spending and all that but its a great movement. These millennial folks are acting like citizens not consumers and realizing work for most sucks with a nice… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Raynard
4 years ago

Your statement illustrates a common, and usually overlooked point. We all too often forget that if we have freedom, the other party does too (or should, at least). In a free world, you are free to wear or not wear a mask. But other entities are free to refuse you service if you don’t wear a mask. (This analysis leaves out the issue of a mask being required by law — we only consider voluntary transactions right now.) This is just a trivial example of freedom of association, something we claim to want.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

Yeah, now it’ll be no shirt, no shoes, NO MASK no service.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

Facts and logic will never stop the mask hysteria. Mocking and ridicule will.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

Way back in the summer when NYS “allowed” restaurants to reopen, we all laughed about how silly it was to wear a mask while walking to your table or the rest room but not while you’re seated. And now, just a few short weeks later, no one bats an eye at it. Many spend their time looking around the restaurant, hoping to give the stink eye to someone who doesn’t follow the rules just so. It gets worse and worse, the more we realize that we could let it all go if we wanted.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

And for many, they’ll be wearing a mask for the rest of their tortured, pathetic lives. The good thing is they won’t be able to whine and posture at the rest of us that have moved on with ours.

Christina
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

I look around for maskless people and give them a smile of encouragement.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

The CDC said masks don’t work very recently. They whispered it under their breath of course, and said the opposite very loudly:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240416

miforest
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
4 years ago

market ticker guy has been right on about this stuff from the start.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  miforest
4 years ago

“Krazy Karl” is insane and fluttering as a rabid bat but his analyses of covid and other health-related issues are spot on. When writing about health laws or legislation, Karl is superior to any health lawyer I know. It pains me to read his “goat effing”, “sodomize” etc. hyberbole but the dude is most excellent a his limited repertoire. Otherwise his authorshipe makes me wish to inject novocaine directly into the brain, his or mine.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

Too right. It does not matter what is said by these officials now, people have chosen their sides and will proceed accordingly. Besides, if you’ve just bought that lovely personalized mask for $14.99 you still want to show it off…

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

No kidding. Who gives a s*** about the WHO – band or organization – altho I’d give more credibility to the former. Nothing they now say is going to affect the petty (or pycho) little tyrants who screw up our lives. They’ve gotten a real taste of power and it’ll probably have to be forcefully removed.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  usNthem
4 years ago

The petty tyrants have been unleashed on us.
The black Karen is way worse than her white twin sister.

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

Only the most autistic care about science and the results of the scientific process.

For everyone else science is a bludgeon to beat others into line. The WHO had authority as long as it agreed with the screeching amygdalas of the Left. When it doesn’t, it will be ignored.

whitney
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

of course. So simple

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

China realizes it needs to sell cheap shit to the rest of the world, and so much the better if the rest of the world drowns itself in debt.

Mikep
Mikep
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

China realizes that it doesn’t need to sell cheap shit to the rest of the world, which, is now a problem for us.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Mikep
4 years ago

Africa and South America will pick up the slack. China doesn’t need parity, just velocity and flow.

Sandmich
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
4 years ago

It all is a giant vendor financing scheme to them anyway, but still they need to lend in dollars and those locations just can’t absorb that much more debt without the whole cam falling apart.

miforest
Member
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
4 years ago

the foolish leaders in south america and Africa were strongarmed by the world bank and the US to wreck their economies with lockdowns too. between that and the loss of all tourist revenue, they will be lucky to not starve. they will now be holding their own much less picking up slack

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Similar to the NBA. The weakness of our ruling class is apparent when you see them against any foe (not just a behemoth like China) with their own community and support systems. TPTB rely on you relying on their system and community, a system and community that, ironically, they didn’t build nor do they maintain. If you have your own community, their threats of social excommunication become laughable. If you have your own businesses, banks and communications, their threats to cut you off from the grid are pointless. TPTB are, in many ways, a paper tiger or, more precisely, a… Read more »

B124
B124
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

The more atomized you are, the more power tptb has over you.

Unless they start “deplatforming” entire families because of one dissident, family is a great way to be safer.

The easiest way to beat tptb is to just say NO. When they see you won’t change, they leave. Even works for some Christian denominations, not cucked churches obviously.

Valley Lurker
Reply to  B124
4 years ago

I wouldn’t rule that out in the foreseeable future, the entire families.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

This is why they’re pushing digital currency and a cashless society so hard. It’s the perfect control mechanism for TPTB.

Chester White
Chester White
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Chinese make crap. Americans buy crap, but can’t buy crap locked up.

Mikep
Mikep
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

China doesn’t have a lockdown anymore, they quietly dropped it, just as they quietly dropped using ventilators while still exporting as many as they could to us chimps.

B124
B124
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

On Tucker Carlson the Navarro guy was saying we may see a doubling of world poverty over the next year due to lockdown. Given that “eradicating poverty” is supposedly a major goal, this would be a major setback.

Plus, closed borders mean less immigration. Shutdown economies mean western ponzis are collapsing that much faster. Lockdowns are causing tinder, sex and the city lifestyle, and clubs, and other degenerate things to be more closed off.

Who knows why, but there are many results anti-thetical to the neoliberal agenda resulting from the lockdowns.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  B124
4 years ago

I’m coming around to the China hypothesis, i.e., China is taking over and remaking the world in its image.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Nah, China has always been “China first…and foremost”. It really is that simple. They’ve got the clout to push the global system around to get what they want, so they do.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 years ago

This brings to fore the thinking of our globalists when they brought China into OUR international trade system, sending to them 50% of our manufacturing capacity. The Judeopuritan empire expands like the Roman Empire did, by co-opting local national and tribal elites into its imperial aristocracy. Unfortunately for our stupid globalists, Chinese national elites look at them with contempt. China is the oldest surviving non-pastoral civilization on this planet. Just because a thug is stronger than you doesn’t make him BETTER. So the Chinese pretended to accept the bargain so they could get strong enough to get the whip hand.… Read more »

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c matt
c matt
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

It is ironic that England, which once ruled China, India and large swaths of the Middle East, is now being ruled by Chinese, Indians and Middle Easterners.

Mikep
Mikep
Reply to  c matt
4 years ago

Ironic is one way of putting it. Moronic, as in moronic leadership would be my diagnosis.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  c matt
4 years ago

The aristocracy was purchased. They’ll allow the parasites to feed off the common people until the latter are drained translucent.

Hetch Hetchy
Hetch Hetchy
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
4 years ago

US post WW2 order requires all Western countries to be reimagined.
The US is the source of all this ideology which is why it’s the most diverse.
Physician, heal thyself.

Hetch Hetchy
Hetch Hetchy
Reply to  c matt
4 years ago

If England is “”ruled” by those groups then so is every Western country.
I wouldn’t say the UK is more submissive than France,Canada or the US.German television explained in a very agressive manner that brown Germans were the future of Doucheland.

Lars
Lars
Reply to  c matt
4 years ago

Not ironic, just the nature of power. Whites have been told that the expansion of European power across the globe is evil when it’s just normal.Peoples strive for more power/influence and will deliberately or inadvertantly shape foreign societies. England was better at it than the other European peoples which is why other Europeans whine about them so much. The Swedes ,Spanish, Germans would loved to have the empire of the British but were just not up to it.Same with non-European tribes. US power replaced England and now is very much on the wane, openly controlled by people who despise the… Read more »

Serge
Serge
Reply to  c matt
4 years ago

LOL- it ain’t England that is run by people from the Middle East , Merkin.
It ain’t England with 3 months of continuous rioting, human-excrement covered sidewalks, corporate racial struggle sessions.
Home of the Frankfurt school is in exceptionally exceptional Ewe Ess of Aye.
US pols are neck deep in Chinese money, even employing Chinese spies as personal drivers.
As for Indians: you are not familiar with the US tech industry management.
Your opinion is 100% psychological projection.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Serge
4 years ago

Who is the mayor of london again?

miforest
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

china owns Australia, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEEeNYXUTvY
china controls our riots https://freepressers.com/articles/socialist-organizers-of-u-s-riots-linked-to-communist-china
and clearly they own both of our political parties.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  B124
4 years ago

“The Great Reset” is a plan to destroy the world economy in order to recreate a zero carbon emissions society. The excuse is combating climate change. The Chinese Virus is an excuse to lockdown the world under the guise of saving lives.
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/504499-introducing-the-great-reset-world-leaders-radical-plan-to
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/product/the-great-reset/

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
4 years ago

Green energy is a complete hoax, see my other post about it.

In some ways, green energy is even worse than fossil fuel based energy, requiring a 10x increase in mineral extraction and causing new, terrible environmental effects.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Of course, that in an “unintended consequence” of such a monumental change. But as with all these consequences, they are encountered somewhere down the road—preferably when their instigators are dead. Therefore they don’t matter and for those in power, really of *no* consequence.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

It isn’t the environment, silly man. Sure green programs create more pollution problems than they solve. Thats the whole point! As stated above by Zman, applied here: green energy is a 50-year, 5 trillion dollar jobs and corporate profit subsidy program for the managerial class. The environmental effects are completely coincidental, positive or negative.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
4 years ago

A zero emissions economy? Are they nuts? There are trillions and trillions of dollars in equipment that need fossil fuel.
The world economy needs fossil fuel more now than any other time. The entire system is predicated on cheap fossil fuels to transport manufactured goods all around the world. FFS, we put fresh vegetables on airplanes now!

If they cared about “climate change” they wouldn’t be doing any of the things they are doing. They most certainly wouldn’t be supporting open borders and they wouldn’t be supporting “free trade.”

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

One way to reduce emissions is to use nuclear power enriched with thorium. Renders the plutonium safe to use. No risk of another Chernobyl.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
4 years ago

Yep, but last I read there is no program funded to perfect such a reactor (liquid salt). Which tells me it’s a pretty good idea.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
4 years ago

I would like to see a move to nuclear for electricity generation.

The problem is that the high-quality human resources available to build and run the reactors are getting scarce.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

Zero emissions is the catch phrase, but really is not what is expected to happen. Carbon credits are what will happen. As the Catholics did with indulgences, they do with these credits. Need to drive a gas car, pay for 500 tons of yearly carbon emissions—say $20 to $50 per ton. Sweet deal.

The money goes to some government entity to spread around to whomever. The mafia selling protection to Local businesses in the “neighborhood” never had it this good.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

The entire system is predicated on cheap fossil fuels

And this is why the attempts to tear out all the existing infrastructure and replace it are insane.

The investment of time and resources that would take are a clear net negative, so that transition makes no sense.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Any time I see the words “fossil Fuels” to refer to petrochemicals, I ask the dipshit who it was that shipped all the dinosaurs to Titan so they can have their Methane seas.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Bilejones
4 years ago

I just thought of a great scifi story about intergalactic dinosaurs….

B124
B124
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

The best way to reduce emissions is actually to just end all immigration to first world countries. Our population is slowly declining without mass immigration.

I tell all the greenie morons this; usually they just stand there blinking because they are morons and useful idiots for the globalist agenda.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  B124
4 years ago

Every Ugandan shipped in increases his CO2 emissions by a factor of 20.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions_per_capita

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Bilejones
4 years ago

Smells like factor 200. Ugandan males don’t wash their nether regions, I’m a global backpacker and I don’t even smell that terrible after ten days unwashed in the field. Not even when they’re driving a ferkin taxicab in Chicago.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  B124
4 years ago

I’m fairly certain that the borders never “closed” closed (unless FlightTracker is a hoax.)

Member
Reply to  B124
4 years ago

Who knows why, but there are many results anti-thetical to the neoliberal agenda resulting from the lockdowns. This what happens when you invent a new religion for cynical and short term purposes. The Church of The Eternal Mask of Virtue was supposed to destroy the economy just enough to rid the land of Orange Man. Accidentally it tapped into the withered souls of millions of Karens and Cucks and gave them a demonic new energy that craft brewed beer, ultra-potent legal weed, tattooing banal slogans and bad art on your ass, and random weird sex with other human atoms could… Read more »

B124
B124
Reply to  pozymandias
4 years ago

Interesting theory.

Humans do like to assign order to random things. That’s why we created religions, for instance.

Isn’t that what Tolstoy said in War and Peace? That Moscow just kind of *burned*, and events just happen the way the happen, and people have no idea of the future chain reactions

I hope that you are right.

nailheadtom
4 years ago

“The people inside become hyper-educated toddlers, unable to grasp the concept of time.” What may that concept of time be? Is it the idea that it’s important to race from one red light to another in urban traffic? The excruciating wait for a Big Whopper in the drive-through lane? Once acquiring patience was a sign of adulthood. “Timmy, you can’t open your Christmas presents until tomorrow, on Christmas Day.” Adulthood is now obsolete, in part because time compression has become a selling point for business. “We can get it for you faster”. The nation has become a playground of adolescents… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  nailheadtom
4 years ago

Adulthood is now obsolete, in part because time compression has become a selling point for business.

This is why I laugh at anyone who still talks about buying and holding an equity for 30 years.

Chester White
Chester White
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Stocks maybe; bonds no.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Chester White
4 years ago

Which bonds though?

There are a ton of states and municipalities in dire financial straits that are only getting worse.

billrla
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

The Wild Geese Howard: Why do you laugh at buying and holding? I have made substantial gains and built wealth through buying and holding. The trick, of course, is buyng and holding the right companies.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  billrla
4 years ago

I do pretty well with swing trading options at conservative entry points.

I would not have wanted to hold anything through 2001, 2008, or this March.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

The only things of real, lasting value are ground you can stand on and wealth you can hold in your hands.

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
4 years ago

Add weapons and manpower to that and you’ve got a nation.

Chester White
Chester White
Reply to  nailheadtom
4 years ago

I want free, unlimited, perfect medical care now!

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  nailheadtom
4 years ago

Adulthood IS obsolete.

Napoleon Bonaparte was sent away from Corsica to a French military academy when he was only 9. He spoke broken French and didn’t see his family again for years.

He was master of Europe by age 35.

I’ve had numerous discussions about the obsolescence of the liberal arts college model today with my co workers; they’re response is almost always:

“The kids need four years of socialization that college brings”.

Insanity.

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RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

Nelson was 12 when he joined the British Navy. (It was his uncle’s ship and as the 6th of 11 children of a clergyman he probably didn’t have much choice in the matter.)

Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

It’s a post-hoc rationalization. The university system exploded initially to produce engineers and scientists after WWII. Then its growth was driven by the easy availability of government backed loans that eventually became available to just about anyone to “study” just about anything. Today, the economy relies on it to keep millions of mediocre minds off the job market for 4-8 years while they live on what amounts to welfare. It’s a good example of something that evolved for one purpose ending up doing something totally different with time. The bacterial flagellum supposedly evolved as a molecular motor to pump waste… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  pozymandias
4 years ago

Sorry for the double reply but I think I missed a key point in my rambling. There is an actual decent paying job shortage for all kinds of reasons. In the past we used d work sharing (aka forced lower work week) which we still have , protectionism forced retirement or just plain dying off . The thing is less jobs, higher cost of living from taxes and urbanization along with longer lifespans don’t play well with short term business thinking and globalism . Also an assumption that smart disciplined people would keep having babies especially after you weakened religion… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

College used to be for creating a new elite and making connections. Its now a signal that you are “polished” and I’ve seen that word used and not a deplorable or something. Its also damned hard for youngster to get a job outide the trades without a degree and tradesmen often have to compete with immigrant cartels as well. The thing is though there wasn’t much automation in 1778 and everyone was expected to work as there was a lot to do. In the 2000’s and even earlier automation is everywhere and all kinds of jobs are on the block.… Read more »

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Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  nailheadtom
4 years ago

I live in yesterday, so I feel pretty out of touch with the world of today. It still takes 10 months for a cow to produce a calf. The grass starts to grow in the spring and dies out in the fall. Wishing you had grass growing in your field in January doesn’t absolve you from failing to put up hay in June. A horse lives her quite long life then ages and dies in front of you, whether you like it or not.

The gods of the copybook headings will have their due.

Mikep
Mikep
4 years ago

This is another example of what Charles Hugh Smith has called the crisis of competence, nothing works like it should anymore. My take on things is that since 2000 or so the Anglo-Saxon world has lost the Mandate of Heaven. For some 200 years before that first the British Empire, then more recently the United States could seemingly do no wrong. We defeated anybody we chose to fight, conquered anywhere we chose to conquer. Our institutions, customs and beliefs were seen as better in every way. In time we came to see this situation as the inevitable outworking of progress.… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
4 years ago

Speaking of road building – PA recently spent millions ‘resurfacing’ I-279 north out of Pittsburgh. No money was spent to actually *widen* the highway where necessary, remove the ridiculous ‘HOV’ lane that is vastly underused, or correct serious traffic issues due to a poorly thought out onramp at Camp Horne Road/Bellevue/Westview. The corrupt highway contractors did their work, and nothing has improved traffic wise (though with the insane lockdowns, it doesn’t really matter right now…)

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CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

Same here. One major highway to connect the two major population centers 100 miles apart. After Katrina, there was discussion on how essential it was to be able to evacuate one population center to the other. The major highway is now three lanes either way—except for a number of miles through Indian reservations where traffic slows and backs up because of two lane constriction. Indians are said to refuse expansion. The rumor is they are holding such permission hostage to more gaming concessions. Government is just a bunch of gangs competing against each other for a bigger share of the… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  CompscI
4 years ago

Around most population hubs roadworks are the ultimate “don’t kill the job” Hack-a-rama boondoggle. See: The Big Dig, which turned an unpleasant, but localized traffic jam, into one that stretches halfway to New Hampshire and Rhode Island. And has actually killed people.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
4 years ago

In other words, the technocrat class lives inside its own phart-clouded bubble getting high off its own. The overlords find these communities useful for zeitgeist purposes as tools of distraction and suppression. A sclerosis of self-interest against all others inevitably destroys the vitality of the host corpus.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

OT:

At least one progtard outlet has realized Green/Clean Energy is a complete hoax, much like Beer Flu:

There’s no such thing as clean energy

https://medium.com/@ronan_51814/surprising-science-theres-no-such-thing-as-clean-energy-9f6f02081c0

TomA
TomA
4 years ago

At the root, this issue (like most others discussed here) is about how quickly we descend to the bottom. Yes, if Congress somehow comes to it’s senses and does something useful for a change, things might get marginally better for some people for a while. But that just slowes the rate of descent temporarily. Eventually, the bill comes due and kicking the can is no longer a viable option. So the choice is . . . live well and hope to die before the reckoning . . . or power down to the bottom quickly and rebuild while you’ve still… Read more »

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Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
4 years ago

Everyone with any sense, knows this shitbox is going down. For 50 fuckin years they’ve been fucking the white working class in the ass, fuck them, good luck getting anything usefull done without us.

AnotherAnon
AnotherAnon
4 years ago

The 230 “carveout” was known to be a bandaid fix at the time it was adopted — back when the interweb was basically a static bulletin board at the laundrymat. But then Web 2.0 came along, with enhanced search and display technology, giving birth to new web creatures, and news aggregators mushroomed overnight. And here we are at today. It took Trump months (years) to arrive at the correct solution. He has yet to act, but the fix is not terribly difficult – revoking 230 and allowing people to self-curate the content they do/do not wish to see. Tech could… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  AnotherAnon
4 years ago

>  It’s gone on for so long that Jack and Zuck themselves (approaching middle age) lean toward the idea that the First Amendment is not only unappealing and “hurtful to the feelz”, but downright dangerous. Bezos the senior citizen too. They didn’t start out as such, but have caved along the way, along with the feminized culture.
They were libertarian at the time because it served their interests. They are full SJWs now because it serves their interests.

AnotherAnon
AnotherAnon
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

What you are describing fits the libertarian party to a “t”.- going along to get along. Especially after massive cash infusions. Maybe the more likely explanation is they held no principles at all, it turns out.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

They were libertarian at the time because it served their interests. They are full SJWs now because it serves their interests.
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RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Re: Bezos. Have you ever seen a photo of him from the early days of Amazon compared to the present?

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  RoBG
4 years ago

Yup.
Regardless of being a weird sperg with women, the man became a ruthless force of nature in the office and embraced power.

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OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
4 years ago

If your final paragraph is indeed true, I think that this bodes well for the future in the sense that any physical oppression of YT en-masse just becomes to much work. The practical skills required to organize and execute such an operation will be far from plentiful. It may well be the case the whilst Sergeant Diaz and Health Commissar Shaqwanda are out in the field getting next-to-nil results, the children of the managerial state are indeed not listening, just planning the next grand scheme whose implementation will be that bit further from reality.

B124
B124
Reply to  OrangeFrog
4 years ago

The children of the upper middle class do not work; they travel the world and find themselves, because they don’t want to waste their life working at a soul crushing corporation, and they aren’t like other people.

I’d assume a similar mindset is occurring in the 20-something children of the current wealthy class too.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  B124
4 years ago

The children of the upper middle class do not work; they travel the world and find themselves,

I am tenuously connected to a slice of Instagram where the cool trust fund kids hang out through a former roommate.

That bunch spent the entire summer in Mykonos doing yoga, tanning, eating, and partying with 24 hour live DJs, no masks or social distancing at all.

Nice life, if you can get it.

B124
B124
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Yeah meanwhile Brahmins and Chinese kids are graduating every year and taking over more and more well paying jobs.

These white kids can live like this forever, on their parent’s money, sure, but they are not generating any new money and it will be used up in 1 or 2 generations.

It’s kind of an illusion, inter-generational wealth requires inter-generational work to maintain it.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  B124
4 years ago

From shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations. Prescott Bush and his son George were genuinely distinguished men. Would anyone say the same about Dubya and Jeb? Is Chelsea Clinton as competent as Bill and Hill?
Whatever you want to say about the old aristocratic ruling class, they worked. Kings and noblemen commanded armies, administered provinces and provided justice. Women managed estates. They pulled their weight in society.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
4 years ago

Until the King’s idiot grandson inherited the throne.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
4 years ago

GHWB did more damage to this country than almost any other president in living memory with Iran-Contra, Gulf War I, and the doubling of legal immigration w/ the Immigration Act of 1990. (Oh, and the Rent Boys Midnight Tours of the WH.)

Horace
Horace
Reply to  B124
4 years ago

Those who would be in our native white aristocracy might still have the money commensurate with their status, but they do not have the power. We have been driven from every single control node of our own civilization (coinage, courts, media, etc).

It would require them to act cooperatively in their own collective self-interest, exactly like every other tribe they are failing to compete against. However, they have, like so many of us, been conditioned like dogs from birth into thinking that white nationalism and white tribalism is wrong.

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Lanky
Lanky
4 years ago

I was put in charge of teaching a finance class, which is actually pretty funny. Strangest thing is that half of my students said it was their favorite subject. Said because “We’re actually learning things.”
They got rid of it, of course. “Why didn’t you at least consult us?” one of my smarter students asked. Why indeed. I ran their feelings by an admin and not even a reaction. Just goes to show the priorities.

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Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
4 years ago

The technocrats oversee the surveillance tool monitoring our thoughts, then use the data to create ai that reprograms our thoughts. It was always intended to be a behavior modification device. Good luck ripping the brakes out of this vehicle.

Zuckerberg and Dorsey are government meat puppets. Their purpose is to put a human face on something that is not human at all. Imagine how monstrous this artificial entity would look with the human mask stripped away.

Last edited 4 years ago by Higgs Boson
Member
Reply to  Higgs Boson
4 years ago

Zuckerberg? Human?

BadThinker
BadThinker
4 years ago

“Most people, of course, would refuse and the business models of these firms would more from rentier to retail.”

I think you have a far too generous view of human nature. People sign leonine contracts all the time without reading them, *especially* when it comes to online terms of service, which gives rights to them for ‘all your content, all the time’ bascially…

We would have to ban these kinds of contracts, and write into law a consent requirement every time.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

It’s true, and I’m just as guilty as anyone at just clicking on the agreement without reading. For all I know, Blizzard could have a lien on one of my children.

Natarnsco
Member
4 years ago

And what is the force driving the constant need for new housing developments and roads leading out of the city to service them? Equal housing opportunity and a ban on redlining.
Problem, reaction, solution.

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BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Natarnsco
4 years ago

Don’t forget mass immigration. The apartment complexes in ‘weathier’ suburbs are filled with Indians and Chinese, who then get the max mortgage loan for the big house.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

Take back the cities and demolish the burbs. Town and country was a great idea.

I know, but one can hope.

Bilejones
Member
4 years ago

Every law should be sun-setted after a decade.
Every renewal should be voted upon by a quorum of the House and Senate.
Only those physically present throughout a complete reading of the Bill and all consequent regulations shall constitute a quorum and be able to vote.

We should keep the bastards busy trying to keep a few of the Ten Commandments current .

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Bilejones
4 years ago

Only those physically present throughout a complete reading of the Bill and all consequent regulations shall constitute a quorum and be able to vote.

Nice. Some of those bills would take weeks to read out loud. Add in the consequent regulations and a whole session of Congress could be used up just trying to get through one bill. I approve.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Bilejones
4 years ago

It’s been suggested that every Bill be available online in its final form for 30 days before a vote. But of course that would only benefit the voters and work against the power brokers. Too bad.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Gab founder Torba seems to be ambivalent towards any changes to Section 230, a person I thought would be gung-ho about it. There is a possibility that a change will be a poison pill that will further consolidate power tech power or crush blogs, but I have a hard time seeing how you can get much worse than Google, as even my normie friends are starting using other search engines because of the blatant algorithm manipulation. It seems they could easily modify it to use the ‘public accommodation’ principle to say you have a right to the public square as… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

For Gab the “tell” was when Apple and Android pulled the app from their app store.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

I think it’s safe to assume that any change made will benefit big tech. After all, aren’t they the ones paying all the bills and bribes right now?

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Outdoorspro
4 years ago

And the Banksters. But, yeah.

Cameron
Cameron
4 years ago

SubscribeStar page.

“A defining feature of the managerial state is that it creates problems that require it to then fashion complex solutions to solve.”

The self licking ice cream cone.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Suddenly RINOs and GOPers have found some nads? WTF?

“This Is Straight Up Election Interference”

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/smoking-gun-emails-show-hunter-biden-introduced-vp-dad-burisma-executive

Rep. Doug Collins Introduces Resolution To Remove Nancy Pelosi For Lack Of Mental Fitness

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rep-doug-collins-introduces-resolution-remove-nancy-pelosi-lack-mental-fitness

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Bullshit. You’d need Christ to give nads to The Nadless.

Allen
4 years ago

Corporate Memory. As if that’s necessarily a good thing. Usually it’s the same bad ideas being promulgated by the same awful people unto perpetuity. There is something to be said about letting the new kids run free, even if they do re-invent the wheel a bit. Often times in that process they come up with some pretty clever solutions. About every 20 years you have to burn the place to the ground and let the new people develop their own solutions. Sure, you have to maintain some kind of basic framework but the rest, have at it. This is invariably… Read more »

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Member
Reply to  Allen
4 years ago

The founding fathers learned a lot from the lessons of European despotism and reading their ancient histories in Latin and Greek. What a new group of founders would hopefully learn from our age of bureaucratic tyranny and intra-governmental intrigues would be to never let a managerial government class arise at all. In as much as bureaucracies must exist at all perhaps they should be set up as a kind of national service that everyone rotates through somewhat like the army in many countries.

Joshua Shalet
Joshua Shalet
4 years ago

The creed of the covid religion  We believe in one Virus, the SARS-COV-2, the Almighty, destroyer of heaven and earth, that is all there is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Malady, Covid-19, the only son of SARS-COV-2, eternally begotten of the Virus, God from God, Darkness from Darkness, true God from true God, begotten, not made (probably) of one Being with the Virus. For diseases are they none but the One True Virus and Death comes not without Its presence. Thou shalt have no diseases before the One True Virus. They that die outside the Virus shall not… Read more »

gespenst
gespenst
4 years ago

All over the country, technocrats agree that we need more new housing, so builder need more power to build developments. That results in the need for more road and more schools, but building roads is boring, so the children of the managerial state use their time dreaming up smart communities and smart transportation plans.

Transportation plans like Elon Musk’s Mars colonization plan for example. California can’t stop burning itself up or jeep the lights on, but Elon’s going to Mars.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

It’s a tough issue. During my literature studies, I had a mandatory class on copyrights and such. This training makes me at least as qualified to speak on communcations law as my readings of the pandemic made me qualified to speak as an epidemiologist 😀 Z’s reading of the enabling law reminds me of what another author said of the 1964 civil rights act and its prohibition of quotas. A later Court actually found some clever way to pull quotas of of their judicial rectum, just like a magician pulls a rabbit from his supposedly empty top hat, by a… Read more »

Raynard
Raynard
Member
4 years ago

Makes sense.

WITW
WITW
4 years ago

They’re competent at their core competencies; Power, Money, ruining us.

`Gandydancer
Member
4 years ago

“If Twitter, for example, is regulating speech on its platform, then it is no longer covered by Section 230, because it is clearly able and willing to act as a publisher.” Sorry, this is wrong. You are conflating the intention behind the law with the content of the law. This is the operating part of Section 230 that you don’t quote: “(c)Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material(1)Treatment of publisher or speaker [I’m omitting here the part that you -do- quote] (2)Civil liability No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—… Read more »

Linda S Fox
4 years ago

The FCC could treat this like an administrative policy, that could be interpreted as:

  • If a ‘publisher’ imposes restrictions on content for reasons other than obscenity or ACTUAL crime, they forfeit their protection from lawsuits.

Those opposing this have to take them to court; the regulation interpretation stands in the interim.

Bill Mullins
Member
4 years ago

The observation about bureaucracy is it becomes sclerotic over time.  Over a decade ago (2004, to be precise) I had an epiphany with regards to the nature of bureaucracy. I shared that insight with a well renowned sociologist who agreed with my insight completely. My insight was that, in simple terms, bureaucracy is the exchange of ends for means. Put differently, what once were mere means to an end evolve to become ends in themselves and the ends for which the means were originally conceived are ultimately lost. An organization becomes bureaucratic like this. An organization comes into being with… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
4 years ago

Meanwhile, back in the Z-Man’s neck of the woods, diversity has management problems of its own.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/irs-slaps-baltimore-citys-top-prosecutor-lien-years-unpaid-taxes

Gunther
Gunther
4 years ago

Modest proposal to solve the Twitter problem: Federated social media. E.g., Mastodon. Why be stuck on a silo like Twitter, Parler, or Gab? Federated social media allows users on the various servers to talk to one another. You (Zman) could set up an instance. VDare could set up an instance. Unz could set up an instance. Ann Coulter (or her IT guy) could set up an instance. Mark Dice could set up an instance. The New York Post could set up an instance. If users can sign up at any of these – or 10,000 other instances – then the… Read more »

John
John
Reply to  Gunther
4 years ago

Mastodon website says: “We only list communities that are committed to active moderation against racism, sexism and transphobia.”
How is this not censorship based on arbitrary “community standards”, just like the others?

`Gandydancer
Member
Reply to  John
4 years ago

I’m not a Twitter user and see no need for Mastodon, either, but that very woke declaration is not the same as Twitter refusing to post a tweet because it contains a forbidden link or word. As I understand it (and this is the first I’ve heard of Mastodon, and I’ve only looked into it de minimis), if the NY Post set up a Mastodon “community” (=”instance”) the Mastodon site might refuse to list the NY Post “instance”, but the “instance” (server) would continue to exist and you could follow it from a different “instance” without Mastodon interfering with that… Read more »

John
John
Reply to  `Gandydancer
4 years ago

Use another mail client to download your Yahoo msgs via IMAP or POP3, then save:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-for-desktop/download-email-yahoo-mail-third-party-sln28681.html

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
4 years ago

I suspect the Administrative State’s refusal to force the tech giants to live up to their original intent is because the Administrative State considers the tech giants to be administrators and enforcers. The tech giants and the Administrative State share the same agenda, which is the subjugation of whites and the promotion of blacks. Why then would the Administrative State prevent the tech giants from creating a digital environment that furthers that agenda?

Valchad
Valchad
4 years ago

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