Insurrection Then Revolution

A popular fantasy among the more edgy conservatives is that one day, the Left will get the civil war they claim they want and then they’ll get it good and hard. In this fantasy, those gun-toting, constitution-loving conservatives will show Lefty why the right to bear arms was enshrined in the Constitution. It is a popular fantasy on-line, because revenge fantasies are fun and they provide relief for well-founded frustration. In reality, the great conflagration will never look like the fantasy.

Civil wars are when two sides in the ruling class cannot find a middle ground and refuse to give into the other side. The English Civil War, for example, was a fight between those elites who supported the King and those who supported Parliament. Sure, commoners were in the mix and rose in status, but it was largely a war between two factions within the elite. The same was true of the American Civil War. Slavery was the pretext, but it was largely an extension of the English Civil War.

Revolutions, on the other hand, are when a new elite overthrows the old elite, because the old system offers no way for the new elite to join the elite. The French Revolution is often framed as a peasant rebellion, but the Jacobins who led the revolt were educated and capable men, a new elite for a new age. The Bolshevik Revolution was similar, except there was competition for who would be the new elite. The communists won, so they got to name the revolution after themselves.

In modern America the ruling class is as unified as it has ever been. Look around at the high ground of Imperial life and it is hard to find any dissenters. The revolt within Washington against Trump is a good example. Factions that have claimed to be opponents work naturally together to thwart the people’s choice. In fact, genuine dissidents are presented with a shield wall guarding the high ground of the empire, a sign of elite unity that is deliberately intimidating.

That said, no ruling elite is as unified as what is being presented. In fact, these histrionic demands for unity are a sign they fear a lack of will and unity. The tech oligarchs censuring a mainstream media site is one of those signs that maybe all is not well on the other side of the walls. The elite media may be focused on defeating the evil orange man right now, but they see the danger in what is happening. There are frictions on the other side that could one day be fissures.

No matter how unified a ruling elite may be, they have certain duties they must perform in order to remain in power. The reason people allow themselves to be pushed around is the order provided by even the worst rulers ensures they have shelter, food and a predictable amount of safety. Freedom ain’t worth a damn if you cannot attain the essentials to sustain your life. The big talk about preferring liberty to safety is just that, as people always choose safety over freedom, if those are the choices.

When people begin to sense that the invisible bargain between the people and the ruler is breaking down, that the ruler is not holding up his end of the bargain, that is the beginning of an insurrection. After all, if the ruler cannot provide the basics, like food and safety, what’s the point of having a ruler? Those rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots were the stirrings of insurrection. The militias guarding property in Kenosha were the flicker of insurrection among the middle-class.

Every ruling elite relies on legitimacy. The people over whom they rule must accept them as the sovereign. Otherwise, the ruling elite must rely on force and that is the most expensive form of rule, draining both the elite and the subjects from whom they extract that which sustains them. Rule by force is unsustainable. It is why the ruling class must maintain its legitimacy. The crisis we see today is a crisis of legitimacy, where a growing portion of the public questions the legitimacy of the system.

If we are ever to get to anything close to that fantasy of those gun-toting, constitution-loving conservatives, it will first start as an insurrection. Here and there, people will look around and realize the state cannot or will not perform its basic functions. If the cops, for example, refuse to do their job, then people take up arms. If the state cannot run the schools properly, people pull their kids from them. Individually these acts are trivial, but collectively they change the public consciousness.

It is not just among the Dirt People that we are seeing signs of insurrection. We see states refusing to abide by federal law. We see cities in open revolt against the national and state government over policing. Federal judges are refusing to abide by the rules of the court, over ruling legitimate actions by the President. This revolt of the elites is more like an insurrection within the elite. They no longer accept the legitimacy of the system that allows them to be an elite.

This is the soil of revolution. On the one hand, you have the people seeing a breakdown of that invisible bargain between themselves and their rulers. Basic things like road maintenance, policing and public order are not being done. On the other hand, you have members of the elite who no longer accept the authority of the system in which they function, causing that system to further breakdown. American is a machine that is breaking down and no one wants to repair it.

There is a small caveat to that. There is a core of heritage Americans who do want to fix the machine, but they are now treated as an enemy by the elites. The civic nationalists calling for reform are treated as subversives, enemies of the state, by the people controlling the apparatus of the state. Increasingly, the people are viewing them as fools for thinking there is any way back to the old normal. The civic nationalist is quickly becoming the royalist of this age.

Not all insurrections result in revolution. Insurrections are quelled either by the firm smack of authority from a unified and confident ruling class or through the careful reform of that ruling elite in response to the insurrection. This is the crossroads in which America now stands. Will the elite unify and crack down on the people or will they begin the process of imposing long overdue reforms on themselves? Or, has that ship already sailed and we headed for insurrection then a revolution?

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David Wright
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1 month ago

Our side doesn’t seem to have much impact yet. Where is the push back that is having an effect on the ruling class. Right now they are slapping away many of us from Youtube, Twitter and Facebook. All online stuff that is still marginal for a real revolution. Like the Fremen in Dune, I hope our numbers are larger than anyone could possibly imagine and our strength and wrath is way underestimated. We actually don’t need the numbers as much as the influence and commitment. If normy sees our kind as a solution worth getting behind, it will seriously begin.… Read more »

sentry
sentry
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

only violence has impact, but pigs are in the way

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

Only violence has an impact?

Nonsense.

There are many ways of increasing the cost of occupation short of violence. And that is what we need to be doing: increasing the cost of occupation.

That said, I do think it will come to violence. But violence must come, and be seen by the masses to come, first from the globalists. And it must be inflicted on actually peaceful non-cooperators.

waitingForTheStorm
Member
Reply to  Vegetius
1 month ago

The violence against peaceful non-cooperators is happening now. Joggers and other miscreants accosting peaceful citizens at restaurants and on the street. BLM was in a suburb lately and the police cracked down hard; they know where this goes if the naggers start burning and looting the homes of citizens.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Vegetius
1 month ago

you think they’ll go away without violence?

Notbud
Notbud
Reply to  Vegetius
1 month ago

That already happened at Charlottesville. And millions of us saw the violence done unto us and learned valuable lessons

TXV1138
TXV1138
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

OK, fed.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

Where is the push back that is having an effect on the ruling class. Right now they are slapping away many of us from Youtube, Twitter and Facebook The mass censorship IS a sign of the effect we’re having on the ruling class; Twitbook is burning down its own business model in panic, literally kicking their customer out the door. I am not surprised in the least that the Cloud People consider Muh White Supremacy the greatest threat to “national security”, as they call it. Antifa and BLM will dissolve as soon as their handlers cut them loose, but once… Read more »

B124
B124
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Yeah I agree, as Z says rule by force is costly. How many billions are being spent (or lost) suppressing us online, promoting money-losing propaganda films, rioting, presidential advertising. Basically everything is designed to keep white middle class and working class identity down, and our interests at bay.

This is expensive and it is also costing them legitimacy. Maybe they have unlimited money and this is just a drop in the bucket. But they certainly seem to be sweating now. If they’re sweating now when we’re only online, they will be terrified as we start to organize IRL.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

They’re richer than Croesus. It might take a bit more than petty cash, but whatever it takes, they have the resources.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 month ago

They’re richer than Croesus.

Exponentially so.

Bezos could easily make tens, possibly hundreds of millions a year selling call and put options against his Amazon shares.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

 If they’re sweating now when we’re only online, they will be terrified as we start to organize IRL. They love it when we organize IRL because they have a century of experience in handling IRL opposition. The internet is the political battlefield of the 21th C., this is where the playing field is as level as it gets and online, we’re creaming all comers. If not for the frantic block-botting, we’d be owning Twitface by now. As the saying goes: “All uncensored talk boards turn hard right over time.” And when you keep the oppo online and anonymous, you empower… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

The Internet is the high ground.

The enemy has taken territory, has taken the high ground, but now the villagers below can see his colors.

He flies the globalist Deep State flag.

We begin to realize that this may be a fight larger than a nation.

Last edited 1 month ago by Alzaebo
Sidvic
Sidvic
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 month ago

Have you heard any South African white podcast lately?
They practically cry with relief when they receive any European or American Support.

Last edited 1 month ago by SidVic
Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

If the Feds and Big Tech wants they can track down any anonymous poster. The net will not protect your privacy. Not to mention that your new car and cell phone can listen in and track your every movement.
You want privacy? Go off grid.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Rwc1963
1 month ago

If the Feds and Big Tech wants they can track down any anonymous poster.

It’s not the Feds I’m worried about, it’s my neighbor being able to buy a computer generated, 500 page dossier of me for $1.99.

I never post personal information under my Felix moniker, so if you want to dox me, you’ll need a subpoena.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

The right to online anonymity should be a Constitutional amendment.

Last edited 1 month ago by Felix_Krull
Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

It could be part of the next constitution.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

What ARE you toking, boy? Ain’t no right ever conceived that cannot be circumvented, abridged or violated. Hell! Every G.I. who ever raised his/her right hand and swore the oath of enlistment/commission instantly lost every alleged “right” enshrined/enumerated/implied in the “bill of rights”! VOLUNTARILY! Rights are just gentle fictions – i.e. fairy tales – some adults tell other adults and their offspring to make them feel better.

Likewise the mythical “rule of law”. The “rule of law” is just a myth promulgated by the elites to provide legitimacy; much like the alleged “divine right of kings” so popular afore times.

Last edited 1 month ago by Bill_Mullins
Sidvic
Sidvic
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Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Don’t be so sure they can’t mine your personal information by your internet habits. For instance I’m pretty sure you’re a white guy.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Sidvic
1 month ago

Lots of white guys in this world. As Sidvic says, it’s a numbers game. If they come for me, that means they’re coming for everyone.

And sure, they can build a profile on me, but without a court order but they can’t put a name to it. I even bowdlerize personal anecdotes so that people who know me are thrown off.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

I never post personal information under my Felix moniker I am FAR from the only guy calling himself “Bill Mullins” in Texas, much less the world. Hell, back in the day I wasn’t even the only guy with my real first and last name on McConnell Air Force Patch. They’ll have to figure out which one I am.to come after me and if TPTB start coming after the likes of me, the world will be so far past FUBAR it will have dropped below the horizon. “Security by obscurity” is my plan. Don’t make yourself a big enough target to make… Read more »

Sidvic
Sidvic
Member
Reply to  Rwc1963
1 month ago

Only protection is the herd. To many of us. Oh sure, we are on list. But how many FBI agents they actually have.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Sidvic
1 month ago

That is one overlooked problem with their diversity hiring: they hired so many women and people of color, they forgot that someday they might need a white male to infiltrate an organization 😀 The FBI is inept and dragged down by mediocrity sure, but hopefully not that badly…

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

FBI is inept and dragged down by mediocrity sure, but hopefully not that badly…

What!? You WANT the feebs to be competent?

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

They have unlimited credit, but not unlimited money. No one has ever figured out a way to manufacture purchasing power via credit infusions, it can only be spread around and redirected. It will take another year or two to see their limitations.

Sidvic
Sidvic
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 month ago

Thanks, that was smart comment. BTW yesterday I tried to buy Bitcoin and found it it was extremely glitchy. I’m paranoid crackpot but has anyone else experienced this?

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Sidvic
1 month ago

I prefer energy companies this year. buy when there’s blood in the streets as Rothschild once said, and those companies have been beaten like Grand Canyon mules.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 month ago

They have been monkey-hammered for sure. Pretty good yields if they can keep them going.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 month ago

What the real economy is doing can be seen easily by the low velocity of money. Despite minting a trillion a year for Feds and who knows how much stimulus, the economy is moribund and growth is gone. Its not like clothing sales which dropped 75% have rebounded. Nothing really has. And yes food is inflating as is ammo, these things have genuine scarcity. Worse far too many countries are still on extreme lock-down acting as if Covid 19 is the black death. Ireland is a great example, it has 35 cases and is complete lock-down with no real path… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Twitbook is burning down its own business model in panic, literally kicking their customer out the door.

Not really, because the users aren’t twitter’s customers. It’s hard to know who is their customer as they are not a real business organization.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
1 month ago

Users aren’t the customer, they’re the product. Destroying your product line to save your business is, frankly, pretty stupid, and a sign that doesn’t bode well for Twitter.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
1 month ago

Not really, because the users aren’t twitter’s customers. 

Fair point – as Drew points out below, it’s like them burning their product as it comes off the assembly line.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Monopoly and subsidy. Sometimes burning your crops makes better long term economic sense than investing the capital to take it to market. After all, the “product”’s biggest complaint is partisan censorship, not that the farmer lies and manipulates them into thinking they are the customer while actually being the product. They want pretty lies. Not these vulgar half-assed lies. Come on man, make me feel good again. As long as people are willing to dehumanize themselves for a few hits of goodfeelz, they are chattel. Their power as chattel is limited to the accoutrements of the feedlots. We shall see… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

But is it really? To the interests buying their “product,” an independent thinking “product” is likely a defect. The buyers want easily manipulated “products” and twitter is simply “improving” the product their customers want.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  c matt
1 month ago

twitter is simply “improving” the product their customers want.

But decreasing the quantity. The less people they reach and manipulate, the lower the value of their service.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  c matt
1 month ago

twitter is simply “improving” the product their customers want.

Their product is mind control and you don’t improve that by deciding to just preach to the choir.

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Depends. This could be akin to a fast food chain deciding that they don’t want to sell chicken bits any longer and instead concentrate on hamburgers. Which is to say that smart businesses refine the products or services that they sell all the time. Dumping unprofitable ones, or ones with low growth potential for higher margin higher growing ones. Could be like that. Which is not to say that their assessment is correct. It’s hard to say because no one knows who twitters paying customers actually are. I suspect that they’re funded by the IC – in which case all… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  dinothedoxie
1 month ago

They are leaving money on the table, not selling chicken bits.

This is getting way to metaphorical, but whatever the reason, the effect empowers us and weakens them, it forces fence-sitters into our camp, exposes them to the alternative universe outside the Faceborg.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
1 month ago

i would love to see studies on just how effective those ads are. I believe there was a big Facebook study that concluded that there is no real benefit to ads on that site. I do know that google ad words tend to work. But in that case the customer is already reaching out for a solution.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
1 month ago

Their two biggest customers are the Feds and advertisers.FB hosts one of the biggest facial recognition databases in the world. Something every LEO and spook group would love to have and the Feds pay serious money to access it.
Google is no different. it is in bed with spooks as well.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Twitbook is burning down its own business model in panic, literally kicking their customer out the door.

We’re not their customers. Even if we were, profit is not the point. The influence they have is worth much more to them than any profit they could get by losing their influence.
The press is in a long term decline. Every year gets worse and every year they do new things to drive away more customers. After 30 plus years of steady contraction, at some point we have to accept that profit/loss are not driving their decisions.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
1 month ago

The influence they have is worth much more to them than any profit they could get by losing their influence. And for each punter they kick off their site, that influence is diminishing and the influence of the competition is strengthened. Just take a look at Gab’s “Welcome To Gab”-group; all the noobs have the same story: “I posted some Normie-tier shit and got banned, so here I am.” Of course, it’s just a matter of time before Gab caves in, but then there are other platforms. Once people are getting used to not having an online home, but casually… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

At the end of the day they have to pay the lease and the electric bill. But in this environment that’s not relevant…yet.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

I think you underestimate the radical Left (or communists, if you like). Their numbers are small but they aren’t going to magically disappear just if BLM or Antifa is disbanded. Consider that the latter is, so far as I know, not an official group. In my opinion, the very fact that there has not been a major roll-up of these lawless organizatins to date, shows the implicit approval of most, if not all levels of government. It was/is/would be easily within the powers of governments, especially national, to have found all manner of serious criminal charges. I’m no expert, but… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Meanwhile, at least from our side, the most serious charges seem to befall people who were defending their own lives or property (or police who were acting in good faith.) 

As I said, these are the people our rulers are afraid of, not Antifa or BLM or Al Qaeda.

Hollywood is burning, MSM is burning, sportsball is burning, the laptop from hell is going to incinerate the DNC and now Twitter, Youtube and Facebook is starting to smolder as well.

It may not feel like winning, but our enemies are haemorrhaging explosively, and that’s the next best thing to winning.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Soros did his prep work. Buying the DA’s is the cheapest and most effective way to keep the mobs going. DA is the first node that decides who flies and who fries.

Andy Texan
Reply to  c matt
1 month ago

A ‘mexican’ alien criminal (since 1989) shot two black police officers killing one after being previously arrested 2 days earlier. Our Soros lesbian DA Kim Ogg does not detain bad guys only flaunters of the fauxi mask.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Most whites lack the innate aggressiveness and hard assery to make it personal to the ruling class let alone resist their thuggery.
Look at Lee Keltner, shot dead in the street like a rabid dog and not a peep from the DR or the so-called thought leaders, etc.
No protests, no nothing., G-d what a bunch of dweebs.
This is why they can walk all over us.

My Comment
Member
Reply to  Rwc1963
1 month ago

The only thing the right of the divide does is make a few angry tweets and posts complaining about the situation then calling for people to buy guns. The left would turn his death into a national crisis. The right is a consumer movement. We deal with things by retail therapy. In this case guns

BTP
Member
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

Elections seem to be the rally point for a lot of these things. Color Revolutions happen in their aftermath and it’s worth remembering the Spanish Civil War got cooking after that critical election. Everybody who complains that our side is just a bunch of laydowns should review the history of that conflict & how bad things got before Franco got irritated.

billrla
Member
Reply to  BTP
1 month ago

BTP: I have been schooling myself, lately, on the Spanish Civil War and it really does provide insights and lessons for our current situation. Several learnings stand out: (1) The Spanish and foreign press all lied and propagandized for their own purposes; (2) Many of the volunteer combatants who came from outside Spain (including, by the way, George Orwell), were naive and misinformed about what they were actually fighting for, and whose side they were actually joining. Orwell joined to fight the facists and it turned out he was in graver danger from the Soviets and their supporters.

BTP
Member
Reply to  billrla
1 month ago

The other thing I had not realized was the level of violence in the years & particularly in the months preceding the war, directed at Catholic priests, religious, and lay. Murders on the street, desecration of many churches, violent threats against people just going to mass. Imagine coming out of the church to find a man with a bunch of skinned frogs on a stick who tells you, “This is what your daughters will look like when we’re finished with them.”

Just like in Spain, the Left gets all the good press. That it’s nothing but lies is another similarity.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  billrla
1 month ago

Yes, his Homage to Catalonia is a good read. I thought it remarkably well-balanced, given he was ostensibly there as a freedom fighter, delivered with that classic British dry wit. His eyes are opened to the conflicts (communist vs. anarchist mostly) on the Republican side (evil communists in Spain’s case!!!)

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  BTP
1 month ago

Just finished Mine Were of Trouble by Peter Kemp, British volunteer for the Nationalists. Excellent read. The level of violence in Spain was hard nosed. Prisoners often shot out of hand.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

If you have very little you fervently guard it lest you lose everything. If you have more you don’t envision losing everything.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

If you’ve got a lot to lose, chances are you can survive even the worst of scenarios. If you don’t have much to lose, losing what little you have means death, destitution or imprisonment. Bill Gates can weather the Great Reckoning far better than Caleb Peabody stocking shelves down at the Home Depot.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

That’s why the ever increasing “income gap” and the number of people living paycheck-to-paycheck through no fault of their own is so troubling.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

Upvoting for “hoi polloi.”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  RoBG
1 month ago

I always though hoi polloi was some kind of Hawaiian dish featuring pineapples and Spam…

Codex
Reply to  RoBG
1 month ago

Upvoting for using the polloi correctly.

Sub
Sub
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

“We actually don’t need the numbers as much as the influence and commitment” This gets to what I’ve been harping on recently, about the importance of winning the fight in the cultural space. Let me present 3 scenarios: 1) We present an image of strength(even if it is total bullshit) to the point that some people who wouldn’t have voted for our side go out and vote, which means the Shareblue shills have to fake extra ballots to counter it, depleting the time and money of the “elites” which could be better used for other things. 2) We stay out… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Sub
1 month ago

Option 1 reminds me of a tactic my dad once mentioned. When receiving solicitations in the mail to fund an opponent with a prepaid return envelope, they would attach it to a brick and mail it back, increasing their costs.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

The Fremen were tightly knit, well trained, and habituated to rigid discipline (environment required it) and close combat. They were universally and fanatically obsessed with a single goal.

Contrast: most of America went out in the last six months, bought a gun, shot it once at the range safety course, and said “Well, now what?”

(Then bought a six pack, cashed their government check, ordered a pizza with breadsticks, and turned on Netflix)

Hasten to add: short of a nuclear war, I can’t imagine anything worse than a civil war or a Yugoslav-style breakup happening here.

Last edited 1 month ago by ProZNoV
Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

The Fremen were also fictional, with magical powers to boot. This is not to undermine the entertainment value of fiction. It is worth noting that many beliefs people hold about how the real world works, and not excepting many here who should know better, are poorly grounded in reality and are only slightly less ludicrous than the supernatural powers of the Fremen. I agree that probably a major nuke war would be the worst event. I’d gladly take a Yugoslavia type break-up over a civil war. If you scale the 1860s American civil war deaths to today’s poopulation (that was… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Ben the Layabout
abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

Ben noted the causalities so I won’t repeat it but as for “now what” well that kind of is our job. We aren’t exactly providing an ideology or policy plans now are we? Far too often we end up acting like the Bow Tie Looter Cucks and act as if Conservatism was “way of living” or worse ‘an attitude” when it reality its a series of policy choices designed for civic preservation. I don’t blame anyone for eschewing it but a win condition for our side is being able to enforce our ideology on our population. If they are almost… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by abprosper
usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

And if the straight and narrow doesn’t work for some, elimination works for me.

BTP
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

Did they? I know a number of young men who spent a week training with their rifles, learning some basics of fire at different distances, presentation of the rifle, shooting from the main positions, coordinating basic movement while firing, and so on.

You don’t need many of them before various forms of local autonomy become possible.

Sidvic
Sidvic
Member
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

My plan is if the internet goes off for a week. I grab my gun throw it in the back of the Subaru and head to Washington. Spread the word.

Last edited 1 month ago by SidVic
Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Sidvic
1 month ago

That Subaru will make nice protective cover…

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

They have that rep, but TBH, they’re excellent snow country/mud time cars.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  RoBG
1 month ago

Actually, a black 1980 Subaru was my first car. Good little machine, but I treated it like hell. Teenage boys will do that.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  RoBG
1 month ago

I think I prefer my Wrangler.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Sidvic
1 month ago

Keep it within close reach – DC or state?

Evil Sandmich
1 month ago

[The elites] no longer accept the legitimacy of the system that allows them to be an elite.

That more than anything affirms their cluelessness to me. The U.S. more so than just about any other nation, is a country built around faith and theory. For the elites to invalidate that faith and theory is to invalidate the whole project: there’s nothing left. “Listen to us because the vaulted papers that we ourselves ignore say so” doesn’t have quite the authoritative ring to it.

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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 month ago

The U.S. more so than just about any other nation, is a country built around faith and theory.

A system such as the one we had depends on trust. That is gone, and the ruling elite knows it is gone. They will act accordingly.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

The ruled-over non-elite will act accordingly, too. At some point.

Sidvic
Sidvic
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Pray upon that. As a non-religious man I grow skeptical. However, I must admit that religion is looking better and better.

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Sidvic
1 month ago

I think I am starting to see what the early Christians saw

I guess the wickedness of a person like Hunter Biden is the ultimate default position of people with too much wealth and power. Christianity becomes its natural enemy and the only defense against it. If all of this keeps up, Christianity is going to have real world meaning for lots of people again.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 month ago

What they cannot abide is any nation in which whites wield a strong preponderance of power. Thus, what the elites are doing is transferring as much power as possible to blacks, but it’s not happening fast enough to satisfy them, and blacks are not intelligent to grasp that power and use it effectively. Even should blacks undeniably gain supreme power, the moment suppression of YT slackens, whites regain power and blacks regress to their natural subaltern state. The only true solution for the elites is to eliminate whites altogether.

Lambda
Lambda
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

What doesn’t make sense here is that most of these elites are white people with white children, and many of them are not small-hat-wearers. I can’t square that stated goal with their actions, even if said actions are incredibly detrimental to people like us.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Lambda
1 month ago

They labor under the illusion that they will be untouchable once the artillery begins zinging. Additionally, do not forget the significant role irrationality plays in the human condition. Otherwise fairly rational people often do insane things.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Lambda
1 month ago

Socialism has always been a death cult. Remember that it led the Chinese government to murder tens of millions of Chinese… Cambodians to empty their own cities… Russia to kill their own farmers… and so on.

Our fate is not unique.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 month ago

Traditional American elite legitimacy is adherence to constitutionalism. Part of the Marxist-globalist project is to change the American civilizational mission (and that of the rest of the West) and rebrand the source of their legitimacy as an internationalist aristocracy who are defenders of a new moral order, but in doing so they have to violate the constitutional source of their existing legitimacy. That is why they are so unhappy that Ruth Buzzard Ginsberg kicked off to hell to get replaced on Trump’s watch. Even a weaksauce ‘conservative’ is not going to give them the rubberstamping they need to force unconstitutional… Read more »

Andy Texan
Reply to  Horace
1 month ago

Globalism is the fig leaf for the neo-feudalist project. I truly believe that there exists a oligarchical cabal. Alex Jones was right.

Rhodok
Rhodok
1 month ago

A population produces stuff, and in todays world they produce (in the industrialised nations) much more than they need. The marginal value of the excess production is low, closing in on zero. This opens the possibility for nature to introduce a new class of humans that siphon off this excess. Inside this new class there will be fights over who gets to do the siphoning. Trump wants to do away with a lot of this siphoning (at least in part) and thus the high resistance against him. But since this siphoning is now clearly visible, there will be others who… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Rhodok
1 month ago

The US alone consumes far, far more than it produces. The balance of payments deficit is worse than ever. Our lives are vendor financed by overseas.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Rhodok
1 month ago

Missing in your analysis is this: Human beings themselves are a “product,” in many ways. This means that, like goods and services, and judged by some standard, they may have a negative, zero, or positive net value. Consider the implications of this statement: A large fraction of the world’s (or the USA’s) population is of marginal value. Entire classes of people could vanish in an instant and the world would literally be a better place without them. We would almost certainly never agree on the exact types of people that are expendible, but isn’t my core argument valid? Of course,… Read more »

Codex
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

There is no way to up vote that comment, but, as someone who belongs in some sets to the people the world would be better off without (richer, less friction, etc.), yes, what you write makes sense. Too few people are aware of both the claim you are making and their own position relative to it.

The human race wants both justice and mercy.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
1 month ago

What heritage Americans still have not gotten through their thick skulls is power is no longer about firepower, but informational and financial control. Oh, you have a local city that refuses to follow the mandates of the feds? Sorry, big tech is cutting your social media and other abilities to organize and the banks are locking your accounts. Have fun starving, bigot. Nice guns you have though. The only way around this is a figure like Thiel going full dissident and taking operations out of leftist strongholds, embracing decentralized blockchain technologies, or hoping for a self-implosion that would make basic… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

Force is still power but the world has become so interconnected and fragile everybody is scared to use it. Force has more power than ever, now that I think of it.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 month ago

I agree with this. During our revolution the vast majority of the population grew most of their own food, and those who didn’t still lived in close proximity to those who did. That is no longer the case and a cursory look at geographic distribution of the various sides in this conflict reveals that the anti-Americans are FAR more vulnerable to systems disruption, including interdependent water and electrical power. I don’t think the old ‘urban always beats rural’ paradigm is valid anymore. Back then (example, French revolution) urban populations were smaller as a fraction of total population and consequently needed… Read more »

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Horace
1 month ago

Yes. Remember when NYC lost power for a few hours? Imagine that stretching on for a few days. Road Warrior and 8 million refugees like *that*.

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usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Horace
1 month ago

One would think a determined resistance could fairly easily cut off highway access to major urban centers as well as water and electricity – how those jack offs deal with that reality would be interesting to see.

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  usNthem
1 month ago

Blockade the GWB and either the Lincoln or Holland tunnel and NYC goes primevel in less than a week

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

I made this comment some time ago that all the guns and flag waving won’t do anyone much good if one can’t turn on the lights, access water, get money from an ATM, put gas in the car or feed their family. Corporate America has the authority and power, thanks to HR, to toss you out of your job for a single misspoken word or statement for any PC infraction they feel violates corporate policy. Fail to tow the corporate line, and out you go! People don’t talk so big, even conservatives, when they’re unemployed, broke, have been evicted our… Read more »

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

They haven’t started turfing people out just because they’re white yet, but if that’s what they need to do to maintain their power, that is what they will do.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

You’re probably overstating your case a bit, given that humans have plotted and traded quite successful for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years without using electricity-based communication and money transfer networks. My opinion is that it probably isn’t totally impossible to revert to using hard currency and talking face to face within a small community, so I don’t see much reason to worry about getting cut off from the internet or banking sector. There’s plenty of examples available for learning how to live without those things. FFS, there are still millions in America who don’t use e-communication or… Read more »

B124
B124
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

A bunch of angry white guys would be homeless or go out into the woods to survive. A return to our initial condition upon arriving in north America. It’s a brutal life but you can survive.

The elites really don’t want hundreds of thousands or millions of angry white guys with nothing to lose, roaming free outside the system.

No, they are going to skip right to concentration camps. I’m not so much worried about credit card companies, eventually they will just roll tanks into your non-compliant town, and you can either die or be shipped off to a camp.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

Blackpill much? If the elites can’t get control of violent criminals in urban areas, to the point where they are trying to appease criminals by refunding police, then pray tell how they will control violent dissidents in rural areas? The cost of prosecuting a campaign increases as population density decreases. Plus, it hard to maintain moral authority when you’re persecuting people who make lives better to appease people who make lives worse. Did you not read what Z-man wrote? Violence is expensive…

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

It depends. If a household pet misbehaves, you spend time and energy correcting and training it. If a farm animal is incorrigible, you just kill it. The cost of control goes down with how vicious you are willing to be. Just because the urban lapdogs are very difficult and expensive to police does not mean the rural roosters will be treated the same.
Now ask yourself: do you feel like the trusted lapdog of the elite, or the barnyard rooster?

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

I feel like a human being with agency that exists in the real world, not a choice on a stupid and irrelevant metaphor.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

Good points. However, criminals are appeased because they’re black. If whites begin criminal activity on a large scale there will be no appeasement. That doesn’t mean the AWRs could effectively suppress us, but it wouldn’t be from an excess of scruples or a lack of effort.

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Drew
Drew
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

This isn’t an original thought, but the elites are masquerading a weakness as a virtue . They compliment themselves for allowing “oppressed” minorities to air their grievances in public, an expression of freedom of speech. In reality, they just don’t have balls to oppress them to keep moral order

Q-ship
Q-ship
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

The current system will persist as long as the dollar maintains its reserve currency status. Once that is no longer the case, all bets are off.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
1 month ago

I doubt the Civil War scenario will come to pass. Most of the gun-toting Constitutional conservatives are too old and obese. Their leftist opponents have little exposure or competence in firearms or any of the mundane skills required for extensive combat. Further, each side is concentrated in distinct geographical regions; The Left in the larger urban areas, the Right in the suburbs and rural areas. There will probably be some skirmishes in suburbs directly adjacent to large urban areas but that’s about it. If there was such a conflict, all that would have to be done is disrupt the food… Read more »

Drew
Drew
Reply to  skeptic16
1 month ago

I agree that a hot civil war is unlikely, but I would expect lots and of urban violence. There’s a lot of diversity in the cities, and very little production of essential things, like food and shelter. Any disruptions to supplies lines or power and com grids would set off a lot of problems in a city.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

50% of an urban populace with no brains and nothing to do = recipe for disaster

I just hope I can escape in time and intact

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

Yeah, get out now. I continue to be amazed that people such as you and Chicago Rodent know what they know, and yet remain in the middle of the Congo, sure that the savages will arrive just after they finally decide to evacuate. Dont wait, get out now. And Now means NOW.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

Respectfully, I would leave if my wife elected to go. I am an urban survivalist, aviation and maritime freak, and global trekker. I prefer the outdoors with exceptions like the experiences my former ridiculous prime season tickets to Lyric Opera and Symphony had provided.   But my wife still wants the money, it’s a source of pride for her that she’s in the top scintilla and holds a position of leadership despite having been raised by two orphans who never “rose above” janitor. (They had Christmas two weeks later than most here because they fished their Christmas tree and repairable… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
1 month ago

Well good luck. We live in a blue city in what used to be a reliable red state, which may or may not get violent (low jogger %), but we did pick up a 2nd place in a rural area where we plan to sit out the election timeframe for a couple weeks just in case.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  usNthem
1 month ago

The wife knows and is trained as follows: we intend to fight. To the end, yet with some fairly compelling Plan Bs. Me, there is a side that can handle death for me so long as I murder the bastard. Next.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

Working on it !!

I have a lot of business things to take care of before I can leave, but the wife and daughter are outta here in a few weeks. Then I tie up the loose ends and say adios hopefully by spring/early summer 2021.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

If I were a terrorist and I wanted to cause such a disruption I would target power lines, highway chokepoints and perhaps other infrastructure. This is hardly an innovative idea. There have been isolated incidents of our systems’ vulnerabilities, many of them from chance accidents (regional power failures, etc.) A tanker truck taking out a bridge abutment is quite dramatic and not quickly repaired. I’m not saying that evil groups exist capable of doing even on of these, but it shows the system has weaknesses and I suspect most of these are not easily protected. Best case may well be… Read more »

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

You know, one of the weirdest things about the last 50 years has been the big push to centralize industrial production and have lots of just in time logistics. America is huge and has low population density, which is it’s main strength, so it makes way more sense to have lots of decentralized production and little interstate shipping. Even in a system without malicious actors, it’s a minor miracle that supply chains aren’t more disrupted simply from weather or other issues.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  skeptic16
1 month ago

Anarcho-tyranny as a semi-permanent feature is more likely the future.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  skeptic16
1 month ago

I don’t think middle class people, which are antifa and the “muh guns” crowd, are capable of starting a civil war

Seems beyond their skill levels and competence

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

I hear ya. But then I think of Angola and Congo and Laos and Cambodia and Columbia; if those people can manage large scale successful revolutions…?

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

They were “backed” by powerful foreign interests. (Most modern revolutions were.)

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

When I say “middle class” I mean “Joe normie”

Those guys are useless

sentry
sentry
1 month ago

In modern America the ruling class is as unified as it has ever been.
i’d actually want to point out this completely unified elite is international, not just american.
Christianity and white nationalism has been completely abandoned by the upper class of white people.
The white elites lumped us(white folk) together with other races of people to fight each other over the same resources, while elites get to arbitrate in favour of non-whites every time we clash.

EVIL IS REAL!

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

Evil is real, and it’s all human-based. I think people fail to grasp how divisive human kind is. A unified, monolithic enemy? Perhaps in certain times, certain places, but only for limited periods. There is no human institution run by more than one individual that is not at risk of one person or group trying to gain advantages at the expense of the other person or groups. All life is a struggle. We cannot eliminate bad behavior. At best we can make it very expensive for bad actors to risk the attempt.

cfomally
cfomally
1 month ago

It seems to me the best case scenario on the short term level is state and local authorities resisting the federal. This summer we took a trip to South Dakota. Its a different society and culture in part because of the isolation but also their governor has had a very different approach to covid, almost a mini Sweden experiment. Life is better there IMO. For that to succeed long term, they are going to have to figure out a way to keep the riff raff out from neighboring states, while still having a vital economy. I doubt the rulers in… Read more »

JustaProle
JustaProle
Reply to  cfomally
1 month ago

SD is beautiful in the summer, plenty of rivers and lakes, hiking, scenic vistas, man I could go on. The winters can be harsh, but manageable. What part did you visit?

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  JustaProle
1 month ago

No one talks of the beauty of eastern SD, so he must have been in the Black Hills.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

I’ve done some bike riding through that region. I can understand why people don’t talk about it – it’s a beauty that can’t be adequately described.

cfomally
cfomally
Reply to  JustaProle
1 month ago

Yes the west is beautiful, but the entire state stands out as its own culture. Sadly, the finest governor in the union is Xena warrior princess on a quarter horse.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  cfomally
1 month ago

Western SD is the U.S. version of Brigadoon. But it’s as vulnerable as any other Whitetopia. Wouldn’t take too many people from Colorado plus some Hispanic immigration to turn Rapid City into a mini Denver.

But, yes, they have a better attitude out there.

Sub
Sub
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

Its depressing as hell to see my home state referenced like this, as just another leftist shithole that needs to be walled off from the good parts of the country, even if it’s completely true.

Hard to believe it was less than 30 years ago that CO almost passed a constitutional amendment that would have effectively blocked Denver from turning into another sodomite haven like SF.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Sub
1 month ago

Yeah, those western cities and towns are as vulnerable as anywhere else. Maybe even more vulnerable since they generally have smaller populations and insanely trusting people.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

Cities in general are vulnerable. And those “trusting people” you reference are growing more cynical and suspicious with every passing day. If that trend continues, they will eventually create salubriously hostile climates for impinging Bug Man populations.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Sub
1 month ago

Colorado is a totally beautiful state and other than Denver or CS, pretty much rural. Sad to see it now mostly controlled by libshit asswipes. Spent a lot of time up there as a kid and young man.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

It also wouldn’t take too many of us relocating there to make it impervious to an AWR invasion.

usNthem
usNthem
1 month ago

You’d think in a normal modern world there’d be more of an inclination to institute long overdue reforms – if for no other reason than an attempt to keep the drifting ship off the rocks. You’d think. But as Z has mentioned a number of times, a peculiar type of madness seems to have taken root, and not just with the “elite”. It’s spread far and wide, including a large chunk of so called dirt people – though those afflicted certainly wouldn’t consider themselves as dirty. Unfortunately, it would appear reform isn’t in the cards and something more “entertaining” is… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  usNthem
1 month ago

Individuals and groups rarely will modify their behavior to stop a bad habit…until the cost of continuing it is more than the travails of quitting. Many of us have first-hand experience with this, if we’ve ever given up, or tried to give up, smoking, drinking or some other bad habit. Further muddying this concept: many “bad” habits are healthy if not taken to excess. Obviously, you will die if you don’t eat enough. Alas, eating too much is a common failing, inviting all manner of bad health and other outcomes, not just having to buy three adjacent seats on the… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

We don’t get rid of unsuccessful programs for two main reasons (IMO): 1) we don’t often have agreed upon metrics established by which to measure success, just feel-good BS. 2) most programs are really give-aways and beneficial effect quickly becomes secondary to the filling of rice-bowls.

Moe Noname
Moe Noname
1 month ago

You begin with an allusion to Machiavelli and “force being the most expensive form of rule”, but your ending of “will the elite crack down” sadly becomes the Democratic go-to option. Gun and ammo regulation will lead to confiscation in all but name.

The Australians and Kiwis were a strong, independent people (frankly, Americans, if we could have kept moving west of California). Now? Scolded, defenseless man children ruled by harridans.

Ked Nelly
Ked Nelly
Reply to  Moe Noname
1 month ago

You pick on one metric to determine who is best and ,not surprisingly ,it’s the one metric you are good at. If you judge the US versus Australia on demography, suicide rates, drug problems, bastardy, pretty much any other useful social metric the US is worse.

Moe Noname
Moe Noname
Reply to  Ked Nelly
1 month ago

No disrespect intended to the ANZ. The US never had a better ally or friend. I truly hope the Chinese don’t go to hard on them.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ked Nelly
1 month ago

y’all have better beaches — overall

Michael
Michael
Reply to  Ked Nelly
1 month ago

Break out those metrics by race and US whites wont be so different from y’all. Besides, I take it his point was that any people who allow their rulers to disarm them is a people who are destined to be ruled by strong wamens who will quickly repopulate with mass immigration. Thus bastardy and drug use metrics are nice and all, but so was the upholstery on the Titanic.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Michael
1 month ago

Truly, what happened to the ANZACS that caused them to roll over, piss themselves and say, “please take our guns, they’re far more scary than our beloved/benevolent government?” That was the last thing I’d ever have expected out of that crew.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Ked Nelly
1 month ago

Yes, but are those statistics driven by a group comprising 13% of the US which has no analogue to the commonwealth islands?

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ked Nelly
1 month ago

Ned, I love Australia and NZ. But you also are being fooled by statistics. You don’t have the percentages of minorities that we have. Always attempt to separate out Blacks and Hispanics where possible and you’ll get a much closer representation to your country—not necessarily the same, but not as bad as you rightfully decry.

Drake
Drake
1 month ago

I think there is a chance that the Dems stumble into a civil war by doing something really stupid like gun confiscation. But it has been my working assumption that a real collapse of the economy and parts of society will precede insurrection and revolution. As you say, I believe the basic functions of government break down fairly quickly over the next 5 years or so.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

We don’t seem to be able to go a fiscal quarter without a $trillion in stimulus these days. That simply can’t continue.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

The profligate spending and multi-trillion dollar stimulus packages indicated the Fed has some clue society is highly unstable. If we do get an oil shock-type recession, all bets are off.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

I think we will find out in 2021.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

When the Chinese figure out how to break the US monopoly on the dollar as a reserve currency, we’re fook-ed.

I could see our elites “D” and “R” signing onto some kind of 21st Century Brenton-Woods-Xi merged renminbi/dollar agreement if it lined their pockets enough.

(but the common man will still be fook-ed)

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Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

Yep, between the repo market and then the entire corporate bond market nearly seizing up, the Fed has been plugging a lot of holes. But it’s very possible that the Fed is creating a very nasty loop in the system. By suppressing rates and providing liquidity, it’s simultaneously lowering rates and increasing investor confidence, both of which push investors to move toward more risky investments. Whether that’s by simply buying stocks (almost always through index funds which have NO pricing mechanism and thus push up demand – and thus reduce liquidity – for whatever stocks are in the index) or… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

Just look at what happened when the Fed tried to raise rates in 2018. And that was with an economy about as seemingly strong as it could be. The Fed is trapped, and it knows it. TIPs rates are already negative and real interest rates are all that matter. As you said, the system now relies on low rates and will buckle if they’re raised. But there are consequences to those low rates. Increase volatility and lower returns on all assets (all risk premia eventually work off the risk free rate) will stress the system. Besides your average retiree being… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

The marching orders from their bosses is to print as much as it takes, so that’s what they’ll do. If Powell suddenly “found religion” and decided not to inflate the currency away to nothing Congress would have him switched out by the afternoon.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

I believe this amazing market recovery has been totally engineered by the Fed. Back in March, I started cutting back on bond funds that had overweight holdings in BBB type bonds figuring the beginning shutdowns were going to hose the ratings. You were starting to see it along with munis cratering (hello, loss of tax revenue), then the Fed steps in and starts buying literally everything. Now the only liquid game in town is stocks – the chairs are thinned out, but the music is still playing. I can’t imagine there’s going to be a happy ending, but hey, I’ve… Read more »

miforest
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

that is for sure . a rise in intrest rates of 2 points would make the current level of debt unserviceable .

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

True. But those low rates have consequences, even if they’re more hidden and take longer to show up.

It’s a bad situation all around. Expect lower returns on assets, more volatility in all markets and slower economic growth.

B124
B124
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

We are only starting to enter the mass decline in competence across the board. Boomers are starting their retirement en masse. Every year, millions of competent white execs, business people and managers retire, replaced with either POCs or soys.

Utilities, manufacturing, rail, etc. are literally all run by white gentile boomers at the top. Slowly but surely they will stop running reliably. Remember India and Congo used to have decent train systems…

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

If you have ever tried working with a Mexican on just doing odd jobs around the house or basic construction, you know what is coming

It is not incompetence, because they cannot learn how to do things properly. It’s just pure inability.

Everything will start falling apart — literally speaking

Hold on to your hat !

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

I hear ya. That’s about all we have in my area. However, the worse they do is take an hour siesta break after lunch, then finish up. Also they are pretty friendly when I break out the beer on a Friday afternoon. Funny how after a few we both seemed to be speaking the same language.
Never have I felt afraid they’d rob me blind or waylay me in my home. As I’ve said, all minorities are not at the same threat level.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

Everything in our society is based on credentials. The woke elite have decided applying standards for receiving these credentials is racist, so they are no longer applying the standards to certain groups. The only possible result is decline and decay.

billrla
Member
Reply to  Barnard
1 month ago

Barnard: Indeed. Credentials (specifically, academic credentials) used to work because they were a decent predictor of future performance. Now, credentials have been undermined to the point where the credential itself is a less reliable indicator of future performance; unless, that is, “performance” means ability to comply rather than ability to think and act independently.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  billrla
1 month ago

There used to be an imperfect but significant correlation between intelligence, education, and credentials. Those who went to college mostly had well-above-average intelligence and mostly actually learned something useful in their chosen fields.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Horace
1 month ago

It used to be challenging to fake electrical engineering. And then one day fairly recently it wasn’t and behold the womyn received degrees.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Horace
1 month ago

Let’s hear it for egalitarianism.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  billrla
1 month ago

Employers turned to credential screening after they were prevented from using intelligence/competency tests to screen applicants. This was a boon for credentialling institutions and the student loan industry, but bad for students and taxpayers.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  RoBG
1 month ago

Griggs vs. Duke Power (1971) … and I’m just a layman 🙂 Following on what you’ve said, consider that it took about 40 more years until the Egalitarians decided they had to water down the degrees as well. I’m not sure how widespread, but many universities, even some (formerly) prestigious ones, are discounting or doing away with SAT/ACT type admissions tests. And grades themself have been very subjective lately… I find a sliver of hope in that some court decisions have allowed, grudgingly perhaps, exceptions when proof of real skills is needed, even if (horrors!) it reduced the pool of… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  billrla
1 month ago

That’s another good point. For instance, the present-day dumbed down GRE is nothing compared to the intellectual beast I confronted back in 1994.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Barnard
1 month ago

Spot on. The university where I earn my daily crust of bread has just ceased requiring ACT or SAT scores for admission. I’m sure this has nothing whatsoever to do with the filthy federal lucre inflowing from the uni’s status as an “Hispanic serving institution,” nor with the moral frisson academic AWRs feel from sticking it to YT and replacing him with PoC.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

You mention in one of your comments above that they may go straight ‘for the concentration camps’, but your comment here may be cause for hope. I have witnessed the diversity decline in many areas I have worked. Holding together a large camp infrastructure and managing the logistics is tough. It is true that these people should not be underestimated, but how can large scale persecution really occur without the aid of an immense number of GoodWhites – maybe that’s how it’ll happen. For the time being, as usual, skill-up. Get hard skills in the areas that are critical to… Read more »

el-porko
el-porko
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 month ago

Being in engineering and manufacturing, I assume that since I am pretty good at what I do, I will always have some role to play. But this is how normal people think. Over the last few years, what I am seeing is certainly not normal. I wish is wasn’t true, but I am starting to believe that the people making the decisions either don’t know, or don’t care about the results of what they are doing. Their main goal is to put a girl/POC in a visible position of power. There is no secondary goal. There are no effects from… Read more »

el-porko
el-porko
Reply to  el-porko
1 month ago

…meant to reply to B124 above…

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  el-porko
1 month ago

There are always effects of PC over competence, it’s just that in a large company—or nation—the effects are slow to accrue and take time to notice. What I hear told by some still in the field is how such folk are being “worked around” and the few competent folks left are pulling more weight or conversely, departments are overly staffed to make deadlines. But it seems even worse than simple AA shenanigans, as new hires are receiving weakened/cheapened degrees. Story I heard last week from a department manager was of two “White” hires, just out of school. Both hired with… Read more »

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B124
B124
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 month ago

It will likely be both.

In the t. diaries, the tyrannical yet diverse ruling class is taken advantage of by the resistance. They are easily bribed and stolen from.

Agreed about gaining skills, I have no intentions of “dropping out”. Its becoming increasingly clear that our company would simply fall apart without white men + some talented tenth minorities. In fact it’s so bad that even talented tenthers are being pushed aside in the quest for diversity.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 month ago

It takes very, very little skill and intelligence for them to swing a baseball bat – or a machete – at your head.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

Rail, like copper wire and pipes, also tends to walk way in the night much like the white boomers taking their leave to golf. The decay from within also invites the decay from without. One more thing that third worlding the workforce gets all amnesiac about.

Moss
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
1 month ago

Accelerating decay of the modern world doesn’t seem to come up during the CW2 or Revolution discussions.
The men on our side appear to be the Doers and the Glue that are keeping this spitball moving. Even if they are fat, couch-talkers, when they stop showing up for work (forced, voluntary or too risky) real life breaks.
It’s tough to coordinate your Jogger Mob when no one can charge their phone and the tower generators run out of diesel (or NG). But a $.25 round is good for decades…

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

Question: Will a $200 per year tax on semi-auto weapons and magazines be considered “confiscation”? Seems to have passed prior scrutiny by SCOTUS for Class 3 weapons.

BTP
Member
1 month ago

The hope that the rulers begin reforming themselves was the amusing hope contained in Rusty Reno’s Return of the Strong Gods, wherein he explains just how debauched and greedy our rulers are. Of course, there is no hope they will reform themselves as everyone with a shred of decency has been boiled out of the ruling class at least a decade ago. This is true across all our institutions, which is why every institution is in a legitimacy crisis. As for the new elite overthrowing the old one: sure. The thing we have to realize is that the old elite… Read more »

sentry
sentry
Reply to  BTP
1 month ago

The more they parade pudgy Colonels, tranny-freak health officials, weird FBI agents, and all the rest, the more a rational person begins to think the misfits who run his local HOA are just about as competent.
you’re right, it’s their achilles heel, when they reject competent men from any position of power, state weakens.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

Yep, meritocracy is dead. Political correctness will determine who’s at the top more and more. We first saw it in education, then politics & local government, then the military, now increasingly corporations. Those areas are vital for a 1st world technological country to thrive.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  BTP
1 month ago

> The more they parade pudgy Colonels, tranny-freak health officials, weird FBI agents, and all the rest, the more a rational person begins to think the misfits who run his local HOA are just about as competent. Yup. Remember the Mattis hype? The tough-guy warrior monk who took no shit from anybody? Remember how he turned out to be just as much of a sniveling, sanctimonious bullshitter as the rest of them? If Trump wins a second term, here’s hoping he stops being so trusting of his inner circle, hires some people who actually support him, gives them all the… Read more »

B124
B124
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

He should just go to rural Missouri or something, and pick out a bunch of locals on the town council to work for him. They can even work from home.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

I have a bunch of chickens on my farm. I keep them safe by have electric mesh netting around their pen, so they can range freely. All of the chickens stays away from the netting because they know it will shock them. Except for one; she is constantly getting zapped because she hasn’t realized, after several weeks of experience, that touching the fence causes pain. Trump is like that dumb chicken. If he could learn to hire people he can trust, he would have learned it three years ago. Instead, he’s going to keep to keep touching the analogous electrical… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

Trump’s main problem was not cleaning house on day one.

I still can’t understand how a guy who spent that long in NYC real-estate, around NYC politics didn’t realize that loyalty is the most precious commodity in politics.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

I’m not sold on it, but I have an alternative explanation. I suggest Trump was deliberately using establishment figures because he was trying to change the culture of the establishment rather than going head-on in an attempt to destroy it by replacing them all. If this is true, hopefully he has realized that while however laudable such a goal might have been in 2016, it clearly has not worked and it’s time for a more aggressive approach.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

Howard, it’s the difference between “you’re fired” and “fuck you, I’m an elected Congressman”. Trump came into office with a CEO mentality. In his former world, he was dictator and doled out the candy. In the political realm, such was not the case. That was my primary worry wrt Trump—he was a political neophyte. He had little to no idea of the corrupt jungle he ostensibly was put in “charge” of, or at least he thought he was in charge of. No excuses, but he tried and simply failed more often than he could afford to before he got it… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

Mattis is a controlled closet case like Roberts.

jimmy
jimmy
1 month ago

You could make the case that their “reforms” have now escaped their control. Seattle is a good example. Nice town,ok weather, the only real negative was a crappy commute. That is changing at a rapid rate. They have already gone from reform the police to where is the damn police. They have not reached the bottom yet, and have no way arrest the fall. We have had decades of indoctrination to embrace the drugs and felons of some groups. They are not as cuddly as they were told, now they are in their neighborhood. That big violent chicken has come… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
1 month ago

“Will the elite unify and crack down on the people or will they begin the process of imposing long overdue reforms on themselves?” We saw their answer earlier in the year. These people are evil. They are willing to injure or kill thousands of people with their phony scamdemic. I think the elite will make a concerted effort to destroy the economy before they let go of power. I also think Trump’s life is in danger. One other thing. The Hunter Biden Laptop bombshell is now viral. CBS news has now confirmed the veracity of the material and that it… Read more »

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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 month ago

Covid and the riots are straight up domestic terrorism used to cow the populace. I cannot imagine the elites are not happy with the results thus far.

B124
B124
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

Here in Canada, most white people are begging for more lockdowns, and more restrictions. They are terrified of the China Flu. “Luckily” most young men just sit in the basement and game. Boomers are terrified of death.

miforest
Member
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

sad to see, but it’s the same here in the us

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

Boomers are terrified of death.

I wouldn’t limit it to the Boomers.

As a result of our pussified, narcissistic, gynocentric society there are plenty of teens and 20-somethings walking around alone outside with their face diapers strapped on.

My favorites are the muscle Mary football players and gym rats that are all diapered up.

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Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
1 month ago

This is the crossroads in which America now stands. Will the elite unify and crack down on the people or will they begin the process of imposing long overdue reforms on themselves? Or, has that ship already sailed and we headed for insurrection then a revolution?

IMO. There’s a third, more likely possibility.
An authoritarian figure emerges to impose order on the elite by force. Call it the Caesar or Pinochet option.

We’re probably a couple decades from that solidifying – but that’s where we are headed.

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B124
B124
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
1 month ago

We will be saved by a Latino dictator – mark my words. Anglos just don’t have the chops, but Latinos do. Eventually they will be so large in numbers, and be tired of Globohomo telling them what to do.

He will probably not be anti-white. And will thus gain the support of the white dirt people.

“Hispanics are natural conservatives” has some truth – they are natural populists and can sometimes go fascist.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

Latino culture is definitely a lot more hierarchical and “feudal” than Anglo-America’s – which is fundamentally a “leveling” culture.

jimmy
jimmy
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

Your prediction is a good one.Latino’s still have a solid foundation of God,family,work. They do not long suffer fools that are not with the program. Learning a little spanish and showing a little respect can go a long way. Bud Light and Clamato is actually quite refreshing. Those that swim against the tide long enough, soon tire and drown.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

Where are the Corteses and Piazzaros of our yesteryears?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

you bring up something I have long kept close to my vest but have rarely voiced out loud I grew up in Tampa which after Batista fell to Castro was flooded with the upper class from Cuba, doctors, professors, businessmen, etc. These are basically Spanish people from the upper classes if not minor nobility. Many of them ended up taking positions of power in Tampa. Getting to the point, these are people who know how to rule over others and know how to earn your respect. They are elegant, intelligent, classy, fair but firm. They know how to dress. They… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

Thanks for a bit of local (for me) history.
Alas, such good old country habits often wither away after a couple generations in the new country. And all we’ve got to show for it are the chickens in Ybor City 🙂 Hopefully I’m being overly dramatic and pessimistic…

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
1 month ago

Could also be called the Stalin option. No guarantee we’d get a Caesar or Pinochet.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  c matt
1 month ago

Yes, but, somewhere in the military ranks is a guy whose name ends in ‘z’ and knows that if he grabs power and starts handing out one-way helicopter trips to swamp creatures that both his fellow hispanics and estranged whites will cheer him on. That’s way more than some gay Ukraine could ever hope for.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
1 month ago

Put the crooks and creeps in jail. Basic stuff here. Not only that, it would solve most of the problems over time. It might be too late though.

DLS
DLS
1 month ago

Perhaps the Left is giving us a roadmap to follow. Several lefty cities are in open revolt. The lefty governors allow this to happen. Half the feds in the swamp support them, and the other half say: it’s their city, let them burn it down if they want. So what happens if not just a city, but a state like Texas gets a true governor who tells the feds to go to hell? The effete jellyfish in the federal government might try to take action, but they will be more worried about their poll numbers than keeping the country together.… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  DLS
1 month ago

Look at Biden, the old Biden—not the current Biden with the 1000 yard stare—then vote Trump.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  DLS
1 month ago

Actually, I’d love to have what you describe come to pass. Preferably with little bloodshed. In effect, it would be just a taking back of what were once considered State’s Rights. If CA wants to tax and regulate its businesses into flight or bankruptcy, have at. If UT wants to host an odd religion, so be it. Etc. Of course, the Feds still have a lot of power, but increasingly seem to lack the will to project it. It’s been a long time since the military was sent in to make sure that Negro children could go to Whitey’s schools.… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
1 month ago

One key to this age is what happens to the FBI corruption.
I had a black friend tell me back when I was a civ nat that the FBI killed Malcolm X.
I wrote him off as a prejudiced black guy who did not know that the FBI was an honorable institution.
No more, now all the Normies and their normie friends are beginning to see all the corruption in the FBI.
It’s all gonna be interesting to watch play out.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

It dates to the FBI’s founding. When TR established the Bureau, it had about two or three years of actual law enforcement priorities. Wilson transformed the FBI into the political secret police and targeted unions, socialists, anarchists, and anti-war activists. Although its victims are somewhat different now, the tactics are not. I use “somewhat” because once the Left consolidates power, it will routinely start wars again and use the FBI to silence and murder critics.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
1 month ago

The situation is rather more complicated in the formerly developed countries. The elites no longer need the proles. They have Asians and Latinos to do the work. (The Europeans are in a bit dicier of a situation because they have MENAs instead of Latinos.) They don’t much care if we starve to death in the streets, so long as we don’t do it in their little enclaves. They’d much rather that we die of opiate overdose, and they’re working hard to bring that about. I imagine that they’d rather keep the facade of democracy in place indefinitely, but that might… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 month ago

What are MENAs?

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Forever Templar
1 month ago

Middle East North Africans?

Moe Noname
Moe Noname
Reply to  Forever Templar
1 month ago

Middle east north africans

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Forever Templar
1 month ago

Middle-East, North Africa.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Forever Templar
1 month ago

Do you want us to repeat that?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 month ago

Somewhat true, although the military remains reliant on Heritage America for cannon fodder. Once that need dies off, and it is doing so, all bets are off. The Empire does need the façade of democracy to terrorize the rest of the world.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 month ago

They only have trillions to burn if China loans it to them.

B124
B124
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 month ago

Yes I agree, the opioid crisis is being deliberately pushed by the elites. That is one story I hope comes out.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
1 month ago

The elites are Hunter Biden, Jeffrey Toobin and Jeffrey Epstein.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

“Elite” is too fine a term for the worms currently running this shitshow. Cloud People is too lofty. I used to use Overlords but that still infers more status than these interlopers deserve. How about archons? They are described as malevolent, sadistic beings who ruled the Earth by controlling the thoughts, feelings, and actions of humans. How can anyone look around and think this is only myth? It’s a much better descriptor than elite. It’s a word, maybe a small thing, but we’ve not gotten into our current predicament through arms (yet) but mostly through words.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Peabody
1 month ago

Our betters.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Peabody
1 month ago

Bagel Benders

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Peabody
1 month ago

I used to use Overlords but that still infers more status than these interlopers deserve. How about archons?
demonized oligarchs?

miforest
Member
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

those guys are the pawns of the elites, not elites themselves.

Hamsumnutter
Hamsumnutter
1 month ago

Reading this on Wilshire Blvd smack dab in the heart of Korea town where I might mention there weren’t any “peaceful protest “over the summer. I might also mention there are plenty of high end sneaker shops here.There are some great archived a.m. radio information bulletins from back in the the day giving MR Kim the ok to pick up arms and protect all the things he broke his ass to get ( using illegal workers of course). It’s worth a listen .it’s on YouTube and there are English subtitles. That was a long time ago and no one has… Read more »

miforest
Member
1 month ago

the only thing that the ruling class can agree on is how much they hate us dirt people. the only thing that keeps them from dispensing with us is their lack of competence in running the sophisticated program that would be required to accomplish that. So they are united, but not effective. let us all pray that they are never able to hire truly competent consultants to get that done . exhibit A: the lockdowns that were designed to destroy private sector businesses and orange mans supporters is destroying the blue cities because it enabled work from home. I could… Read more »

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

Their hatred is their biggest obstacle to obtaining what they think they want

If there were 100 million people between me and my holy grail, I would think I’d find a better way to getting around or through or perhaps with them than by hectoring them and being petty in my total disrespect

Even our “elites” suck at being elites

Does anyone around here know what they’re doing?

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
1 month ago

3rd option, China caputalizes on our weakness and forcibly converts us to a vassal state.

B124
B124
Reply to  Irishfarmer
1 month ago

I’d rather be a 2nd class citizen in China than a 3rd class citizen in the anglo-zionist empire.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

Always amused me, I guess is the word, when people say “If we didn’t beat Hitler we’d all be speaking German !!!!”

OMG !!!!! The horror

God forbid we who already speak a Germanic language be asked to pick up the tempo and speak the German language

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

how dare you! hitler invaded commie russia, that’s pure evil, we were lucky america preventing commie russia from falling

also, free hong kong, they need more african diversity

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

There is a great Stonetoss comic strip in this vein where one Londoner is telling another, “At least we aren’t speaking German.”

The gag is the fellow’s statement is written in Arabic, with the translation below the comic.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

but, but commie china tricked bill gates into coming up with crazy vaccine
china also has muslim re-education camps, that’s bad for some reason

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miforest
Member
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

B124, you know nothing of the Uyghurs or tibetians do you? they would be even worse here

miforest
Member
Reply to  Irishfarmer
1 month ago

probably going on right now

Mark Auld
Mark Auld
Reply to  Irishfarmer
1 month ago

This is what worries me,and none of us seem to be figuring this into the equation.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Mark Auld
1 month ago

I think the last thing China wants is using its people to keep the lid on black neighborhoods and bunches of white people with guns

What they need is a surrogate to handle those tasks for them, farm them out iow. I believe that is indeed their thinking and hence the buying of our politicians and tech masters to handle the work for them. These are jobs Americans will do, if the price is right.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
1 month ago

If right wingers lined up every single leader in the media and government and business and shot them in the head, the replacements would be every bit as bad. They would believe all the same things and therefor support all the same things, even if the system were nominally different. The schools would simply produce the same exact people with different faces and names. Nobody on the dissident right wants to change the schools. Running a school and teaching children, teens and young adults is hard work with little reward. The schools are the engines of clownworld. The elite is… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  tarstarkas
1 month ago

That’s why it was only a temporary fix when Pinochet and Sulla did the equivalent. You would need to replace a lot of institutions that have been skin-masked.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  tarstarkas
1 month ago

Nobody on the dissident right wants to change the schools. Running a school and teaching children, teens and young adults is hard work with little reward.

There is a lot of noisy talk about homeschooling that is just hot air because properly teaching children is hard work.

That said, ending lockdowns to reopen schools is an appealing campaign issue to the suburban mom demographic.

Of course, the proper instructors and curriculum is lacking even if the schools do reopen.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

In a sane world 1/2 of the teachers would be in prison and all of the educational bureaucracy would be in prison.
Since virtual school started there have been a lot of articles showing stuff that is outrageous even to my ears already expecting such things.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
1 month ago

Not all of us who tote .357s and look forward to hammering the AWRs are in love with the Constitution. Indeed, I would say that such people make up the core of the DR.

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

The Constitution is only the starting framework or outline on how things are to be run
I don’t get why people treat it like it’s a religious document
It’s there to be amended

billrla
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

Falcone: An inalienable right, by definition, cannot be amended.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  billrla
1 month ago

“cannot be” — but they are

That’s the tragedy

c matt
c matt
Reply to  billrla
1 month ago

Inalienable does not appear in the Constitution, it was in the Declaration which was just flowery words.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  billrla
1 month ago

Unfortunately, no “rights” can be asserted against Nature. What does that mean? To me at least, it means that rights are purely a human invention. As such, it is completely arbitrary, subject to not only amendment, but outright termination. Rights are only as good as the government (or other entity) that respects them. Somewhere right now, somebody’s “inaleinable” right is, in fact, being taken away, denied, or ignored.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Some elemental thing in us humans insists on sovereignty. Even babies express a striving for autonomy. This and our necessary dependence during our long childhoods creates a tension that cannot be easily resolved. It’s a serious problem when most of the adult population becomes infantilized though.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Perhaps the original Constitution and concept, more so than the mess we now have to be sure. However, the Constitution is pretty much dead—interpreted out of existence by clever lawyers. Since devious men will always be with us, the return to the original document and intent can not be a solution, only a dream. New thinking must be applied to create a new founding document, and it’s hard for me to even imagine how such might come about.

MICHAEL ALLEE
1 month ago

Hitler walked in on a severe need for a leader. It may happen again. The outcome of the next 50 days is impossible to know. The possibilities are infinitely variable. Expect the worst, prepare for that. If it’s any better, be relieved

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  MICHAEL ALLEE
1 month ago

My hunch is Biden loses and walks away with his tail between his legs and it’s all quiet for about a year as Trump pushes through some reforms or policies of modest to moderate scope and then the left ramps up again in a year or so

miforest
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

you are quite the optimist… I could not envision that in my wildest dreams . if biden loses , I think they will go full coup

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

I bet some of the Woke retired generals are discussing executive action right now.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

Maybe. I disagree on the minutia with you. 10% chance the leftists’ Things Go Down in November; 90% chance this is a dry run to feel out who will back them, who will stay out of their way, and what works when they actually try it in 2024 or later. This semi-finals, they are checking air fuel mixes and tunes before the big day.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

In 2024 they won’t need a coup. Who’s going to pick up the Trump banner, Pence? Rubio? Cruz?

KGB
KGB
Reply to  c matt
1 month ago

Who knows? Who in 2012 would have foreseen Trump’s rise?

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

In another age, like 10 years ago, I wouldn’t have thought that, but I’ve been mildly surprised at how far down the hole the left has gone for what is a child molester with dementia, a man who wasn’t even their first, second, or third choice for the job but for the fact that the inner party elites greased the skids for him. Anyone who can sink that low over so little has no “basement”.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

Well, the thought came to me on the idea that the laptop would be a total humiliation for Biden that precedes an electoral defeat

So for my vision to materialize, the laptop must do its damage

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

I agree although the disconnect between enthusiasm and polls makes it impossible to call.

bubba
bubba
Reply to  MICHAEL ALLEE
1 month ago

As I get older I’ve become more sympathetic for autocratic rule. Also, the media MUST be brought under state control. I now understand why guys like Putin and Lukashenko have made that a priority when they seized power.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  bubba
1 month ago

Putin is a giant among current world leaders and has played his lousy starting hand masterfully.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

putin is probably best human alive

Horace
Horace