Partisans and Objectivists

One way to describe the great divide within mainstream politics is that one side is the partisans and the other side objectivists. The partisans are focused on their objectives and what they think is good for their side. They just want to win and don’t worry too much about how they win. The objectivists are focused on facts and think that truth will prevail eventually. The partisans are what we call the Left and the objectivists are what we call the Right in America.

The partisans are an ends justifies the means mode of thought. They are unconstrained by rules or convention. In fact, they are not limited by what they said last week, as last week was a different time with different goals. In a world where winning is the only thing that matters, everything else bends to serve that end. If being seen as on the science is useful in the moment, they love science. If treating science like magic is useful next week, then next week they will mock science.

Objectivists, of course, find this mind boggling. They look at these contradictions as the Achilles’s heel of their opponents. They spend a lot of time pointing out how the partisans are contradicting what they said last week. Often this is effective, as the public tends to side with the objectivists in most things. The climate change stuff is a good example of how the partisans harm their own cause. Their flexibility with the truth is a liability when asking the public to take their word on science.

For the most part, though, this willingness to transcend facts, and even reality in some cases, is a great advantage in a democracy. Politics in a democracy is immediate, rather than deliberative, so that first impression counts for a lot. If in the fullness of time those initial arguments are found to be full of lies or simply wrong, it does not matter as everyone is onto the next thing. It is rare in a democracy for the debate to circle back and address an old argument or have a do-over.

A good example of how this works is the term “gun show loophole.” This remains a popular catchphrase on the Left. They know gun control is wildly unpopular, so they talk about ending gun show loopholes. The fact that there is no such thing as a gun show loophole does not matter. It sounds good. People don’t like loopholes of any sort as they seem dishonest, so they support ending gun show loopholes. The Left can appear reasonable, despite perpetrating a fraud on the public.

Of course, this summer we got to experience another example of how the truth is no constraint to the partisan. The people burning, looting and attacking people in the streets have been labeled peaceful protesters. Just this week, as video comes out of massive looting and pillaging in Philadelphia, the governor of the state called it a mostly peaceful protest. That strikes the objectivists as insane, but from the point of view of the partisan, it helps their cause and that’s all that matters.

As violence spread around the country this summer, the chant from the rioters was often something like “silence is violence.” In other words, if you did not vocally support them, they could rightfully assume you were plotting violence or supported violence against them, so they were justified in using violence. In other words, to the partisan, their violence is speech, while your speech is violence. The objectivists are stymied by this sleight of hand, so they have remained dumbstruck by it.

This willingness to transcend the rules of language was on display this week as democrats threw a choreographed tantrum over Judge Barrett. They claimed that Trump was packing the court, a term that goes back a century to when FDR tried to increase the number of judges, so he could get his guys on the bench. The fact that Trump was not actually doing anything like that was not a constraint on the Democrats bleating about court packing all week.

Just as their violence is speech, while your speech is violence, the logic of the situation is being turned on its head. They now claim that their plans to pack the court are a justified response to Trump packing the court. You see, when their enemy scrupulously follows the rules it is a gross violation of procedure, but when they overturn procedure it is restoring order and balance. This is not mere hypocrisy. This is the natural detachment from objectivity that is a predicate for the partisan.

This is why the partisans tend to prevail in a democracy. They have a wider range of options because they are not limited by facts and reason. Additionally, the objectivists are self-limiting, often ceding the field because they think the rules require it. One side gets to play dirty, while the other side tries to talk them out of it. The truth is, there is no reasoning with a partisan. There is no way to reason with someone who will not stipulate to the basic facts of life. They exist beyond reason.

This is the story of the last 30 years. As the partisans have become increasingly partisan, which means less constrained by reality, the objectivists have become more certain that reality will step and do the job they refuse to do. They imagine a time when the partisan suddenly realizes the truth of his situation, throws down his weapons and embraces the objectivist as a brother in logic. For the objectivist, reason has become escapism in order to avoid what must be done.

A byproduct of this dynamic is that most people have no voice in the media, government or any other area of public life. The partisans advance their positions on behalf of their cause, while the objectivists fret about factual accuracy. In a democracy, objectivity is not a constituency, so the objectivists end up representing the interests of abstract concepts, rather than genuine people, which means the bulk of the people have no representative.

Another old saying relevant here is that in war, truth is the first casualty. The reason for this is war is a conflict between two sides, neither of which has a reason to see things from the point of view of the other side. It is the ultimate partisan conflict. If there is ever going to be a force to topple the current Left, their first task will be to eliminate those more concerned about truth and reason than the welfare of genuine people.

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El Jefe
El Jefe
30 days ago

Hear, hear.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
30 days ago

Re: court packing

If somehow Trump is re-elected, the GOP keeps the Senate and regains the House (very, very unlikely outcome–ain’t gonna happen–but play along), Trump should have McConnell eliminate the filibuster and pack the courts to the rafters. The fact it ain’t gonna happen proves your point.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Jack Dobson
30 days ago

A similar example. The NormieCons were enthralled with Ted Cruz’s interrogation of the Twitter CEO regarding tech censorship. They said Cruz “killed” the CEO with his questioning and got him to lie under oath.
The Twitter CEO and the entire Left know that they are being “unfair” and “hypocritical” etc. That’s their plan. The NormieCons should be pissed off that Cruz and the rest of the GOP aren’t going to do a damn thing about it. Instead, they are distracted by a meaningless “victory.”

el-porko
el-porko
Reply to  Federalist
30 days ago

Yep. Burning with righteous anger means nothing if you keep losing. The right is constantly satisfied with being factually correct.
The truth is, the tech CEOs are not concerned with being hypocrites or even breaking the law. Despite Cruz’s accurate calling out of Dorsey yesterday, today Dorsey will still be rich and powerful, no courts are going to pursue him and his company, and his his army of censors will advance a few more feet on the battle field.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Federalist
30 days ago

It wasn’t even a “victory.” It was meaningless pantomime; sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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ExPraliteMonk
ExPraliteMonk
Reply to  Federalist
30 days ago

REDACTED

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SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Federalist
30 days ago

The right move would have been to have him seized from behind his camera mid testimony and arrested. Then turn to Zuckerberg and ask “…so you were saying about censorship?”

na'del Woodrow
Reply to  Federalist
30 days ago

Haha! Right, they really got an earful!

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Jack Dobson
30 days ago

If somehow Trump is re-elected, the GOP keeps the Senate and regains the House (very, very unlikely outcome–ain’t gonna happen–but play along).” Is too gonna happen, Jack. The GOP needs to flip only 17 seats to take control of the House. It’s GOING to happen. ( And remember, you heard it here first. 🙂 )

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Normalperson
Reply to  Jim Smith
30 days ago

You should go onto Predictit.org and put some money down. The GOP has a 15% chance of winning the house.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Normalperson
30 days ago

Uh huh. And, according to Nate Silver, the Hilldebeeste had a 95% chance of defeating Trump.

onezeno
Reply to  Normalperson
30 days ago

Yeah I also bought Trump winning when PredictIt was 5-1 against. It’s not accurate, but you can make money if you bet against the mainstream consensus, which is overpriced.

B124
B124
Reply to  Jim Smith
30 days ago

Dems are gonna steal it.
Just like they stole Az senate and the 5 California house races in 2018. They also tried Florida but stopped there.

Trump will win on election night, and we will watch his lead slowly evaporate. The supreme court will eventually rule in the Dems’ favour and then we get our permanent lockdowns, gun control, immivasion, and great reset. Trump isn’t our guy but you’re gonna look back on the trump days fondly once Kamala is in.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  B124
30 days ago

This is exactly what is planned.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Jack Dobson
30 days ago

BUT it’s NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN. Five more days.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  B124
30 days ago

Escitalapram is your friend.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Jack Dobson
30 days ago

The House plays no role in confirming judges and the filibuster has already been eliminated for judicial confirmations (thanks, Harry Reid!) as as long as Republicans keep the Senate Trump is free to pack the court. I have been arguing with Normiecons that Trump should pack the Court in his second term. On first blush they resist the idea, but the light bulb tends to click on once you point out to them that Democrats have made it clear that they intend to pack the Court if they win the Presidency and the Senate, and there’s no reason not to… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Guest
30 days ago

Expansion of the Court would require legislative action. The House indeed would have to be part of it.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Jack Dobson
30 days ago

That is incorrect. Expansion of the Supreme Court does not require legislative action. The President has authority under Article II to nominate judges for appointment to the Supreme Court. There is no constitutional requirement that there be a vacancy on the Supreme Court for the President to forward a nomination to the Senate, nor is there any limitation on the number of judges on the Court. If the President nominates and the Senate confirms, then the judge is lawfully appointed to the Supreme Court. Period. The current size of the Supreme Court was established by law in 1869 and has… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Guest
30 days ago

The original enabling act established a six-person USSC after the Constitution supplanted the Articles of Confederation. That enabling act originated in the House and was also adopted by the Senate. In 1837, to make certain there could be no tie, the House originated and the Senate also adopted an enabling act to expand the number of justices to nine. In the middle of the Civil War, the Court was packed to include ten members. The enabling act originated in the House and also was adopted by the Senate. The number was lowered back to nine after the Civil War. Again,… Read more »

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Jack Dobson
30 days ago

Jack, with all due respect you are barking up the wrong constitutional theory tree. This is a straightforward separation of powers case; not a unitary executive theory case. Article III establishes the Supreme Court and the Appointments Clause of Article II explicitly allocates to the President the authority to nominate judges to the Supreme Court. Congress has no role in either of these functions. Congress cannot limit by statute the explicit constitutional authority of the President to nominate a judge to the Supreme Court. The constitutional check here is that Senate can, of course, refuse to affirm the nominee. Unitary… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Guest
30 days ago

As to your last paragraph, no argument. You persuaded me to a large degree. Viewed strictly from a separation of powers analysis, you are correct. A president could announce he wants X number of Supreme Court justices, send them to the Senate, and there would be an up or down vote to confirm. Check, that. Enabling legislation has been used to determine specific numbers, as I think this through, because a future House could refuse to fund the additional expenses for the additional justices because the executive unilaterally decided to expand the court without funding considerations. But, yes, your point… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Guest
30 days ago

It will never happen. SCOTUS is expressly designed to eliminate regional decisions. The aspect of decisions from a court subset, comprising only 1/3 of top judges would seem to violate that understanding. Additionally, you’d be taking on say 3 times the cases. Who the hell needs that? Finally, to screw with the Court breaks all understanding. The next political turnover it will be changed around again. And after a couple of go arounds lose any respect/credibility it may have once had.

Bootstrapper
Member
Reply to  CompscI
30 days ago

If the President has the power to “pack” the court, does he also have the power to ‘unpack’ it? i.e. reduce the number of judges from nine to, say, five?

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Bootstrapper
30 days ago

No

Mo'ray Washington
Reply to  Guest
30 days ago

me likey!

Rhodok
Rhodok
30 days ago

And the most glaring error the objectivists make, is to believe that partisans are like them.

That they can live with them in a single country.

Solutions:

1 The objectivists grow a pair of balls and start saying “No!”

2 The objectivists separate from the partisans

3 The objectivists prostrate themselves

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Rhodok
30 days ago

Gotta be mostly based on sex

Men trying to get women to like them, men pursue women, and women run until caught, but in this political drama the women do not want to be caught. Or maybe they do. Who the F knows

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

I bet they do. Men aren’t men anymore. Hell I’m on the mend myself.

Mo'ray Washington
Reply to  Paintersforms
30 days ago

I pee sitting down. Please help!

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Rhodok
30 days ago

Yesterday I got stuck behind a Prius Hybrid going 17 in a 25 mph zone. Slow enough so I could take in the Harris/Biden, and other assorted local prog pol bumper stickers adorning the virtuemobile. When I was finally able to pass sitting behind the wheel was a grey-haired female, alone in the car, wearing a mask. I’m surrounded by partisans and under no illusion they can be reasoned with. They can, and should be, shamed. They really hate that.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Peabody
30 days ago

Peabody, I think you’ve just won the war.

They can, and should be, shamed.”

The girlies are trying to get us to speak in their language, not ours.

Guys throw a punch, but the girls don’t want to get beat up. They want drama and emotion, a hot relationship of attention and display.

A courtroom soap opera. The verbal dominance display in bodice rippers, where she discovers she was wrong about his ardent passions.

They seek the lion who roars; to choose who’s got a set.

The punchery needs remain between guys. The rapery will happen behind her closed doors.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Peabody
30 days ago

Prius Hybrid going 17 in a 25 mph zone.

I don’t believe this.

Prius drivers are the ones doing 30 over in a school zone and 20 under in the left lane on the interstate.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Rhodok
30 days ago

Zman has said for some time we in Our Thing need to place victory before building up a morality platform. That was hard to swallow at first, as a Christian. I see now, that he is correct. If we are to preserve Our People then we must make the shift from Objectivists to rabid partisans. We’ve reached many of the folks that can be persuaded by logic and facts and there may be more to be gathered but the time is coming to strike at the fear center of Our People. Jingoistic broadcasting of the myriad of POC crimes against… Read more »

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Penitent Man
30 days ago

 If we are to preserve Our People then we must make the shift from Objectivists to rabid partisans. 
Exactly, who the f**k are the globalist leftists to have to justify yourself to them all the time, to always try to remain objective. How about headbutting(figuratively and literally) their smug faces from time to time.

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Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

You misunderstand my point, Sir. I am not interested in any intercourse with dedicated Progs, traitors and their POC pets. They have already chosen their master. Nor am I saying we should focus on justifying anything. Arguments to those that are persuadable by that means sure, but for the bulk I am saying appeal to their emotions: high moral points and Ben Shapiro “gotcha”facts be damned. Let’s also, as Z and many others here have said, not be bogged down amongst Ourselves with niggling arguments. Again, hyperbole, propaganda, anecdotal horror stories and appealing to love, hate and fear are the… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Penitent Man
30 days ago

We can keep our objectivity and still wield the partisan banner. For example, Lineman knows Trump isn’t really “our guy”, but his attitude is “fukkem, I’m voting for the guy”. Darn right. It’s a fight to the finish, use every tool and weapon at hand. You don’t need to give up what we know to fight the battle. IMO, keeping some form of objectivity in the mix is actually strengthening. We have a sound basis for what we are fighting for. Just don’t let the objectivity hold you back. When you go on, you go all in.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Dutch
30 days ago

Exactly Dutch,
On all fronts push for Ours. For those erudite few appeals to reason… but for most, a good firm hand on their necks to make them look at the horrors that are occurring and those that await us. With a dose of pride and support for them that are awakening and a realistic “what’s the least odious course” when it comes to politics.

Member
Reply to  Dutch
30 days ago

This is my attitude to Trump. I actually don’t think Trump is as much of a degenerate as the Biden/Clinton/Epstein crew but hey, he was a NYC real estate developer and had a reputation as something of a playboy. He’s a typical alpha male, IOW. Talking to people here, I can admit his faults though. Trump isn’t THE solution but he’s part of it. It’s vital that we use his second term though to strengthen our positions, geographically and politically, and begin dismantling the Left’s power centers such as academia. I’d say we also need to take a page from… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  pozymandias
30 days ago

Trump is/was certainly not the same degenerate as Epstein. Nor is he a saint. He’s a product of his time. He’s done some good things and backpedalled on issues that might have made a difference to working people.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  pozymandias
30 days ago

I’ll butt in Poz, Early Christians supported the pagan emperors Galerius and Maximian because they remembered the horrors of Diocletian’s pogroms against them. Pagans, but at least not Diocletian. Trump is not Our guy but he is a friendly or at least not a persecutor. As to Objectivity vs. Partisanship. They’ll always be a place for high minded speculation and eventually a time when creation will require objectivity. It should suffice that a watered down version can be used to help a greater number of Our People to awaken. Are the finer points of HBD easily digestible to masses of… Read more »

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Penitent Man
30 days ago

I was raised Christian and while I am not active by any means, this took me a long time to overcome for similar reasons. Win first. Worry later.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Valley Lurker
30 days ago

Christ’s response to the pharisees and Pontius helped me bridge the hurdle.

“Are you a king? Are you king of the Jews?”

Jesus could have said “Yes, sure am. Your King too, Pilot.”

He chose subtlety in order to prolong the process of his sacrifice to its necessary public display.

“You say that I am.”

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Mo'ray Washington
Reply to  Penitent Man
30 days ago

“You said it!”

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Valley Lurker
30 days ago

Win second, organize first.

Be Objective in Rule, after winning.

Worry never. Not if it worked.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Penitent Man
30 days ago

Geemaneez, Penitent. Cheering.
SIGN. ME. UP!!

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Penitent Man
30 days ago

You’re absolutely right. Becoming “rabid partisans” will necessitate the development of a larger metaphysical vision separate and distinct from a drearily earthbound commitment to “facts and reason.” We’re not simply competing against alternative ideas and values; we’re up against a grandiose religion replete with saints and sinners. It takes romance to defeat that.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Wkathman
30 days ago

I like that. Romance. It implies passion. And passion above objectivity is what is needed here. Applied with a broad brush.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
30 days ago

In that connexion, romanticism was, to a significant degree, a reaction to the Enlightenment.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Wkathman
30 days ago

The principal theme of Romanticism is suicide, and it works. We already have that.

Its also how the Irish kept losing until a ruthless young banker named Michael Collins came along and said shoot them.

They did, and they won- that way. That and decades of professional organizing by the IRB prior.

But hey if Romance gets you off the couch OK. The closers will be ruthless.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Guest
30 days ago

“The principal theme of Romanticism is suicide”

Not really sure where you are getting that.

I think Ostei is referring to the Romantic movement in western culture. In art it was a return to classical themes, chivalry, the nordic sagas, Celtic and Saxon themes, and and Germanic folklore. Much of it tied to the romanticized past of each people experiencing the revival.

Not getting the suicide thing.

Bob
Bob
Reply to  Guest
30 days ago

Somewaht simplified view of history: no mention of WW1 ,support from the US and Germany .
Biggest factor is that the Left has always supported celtic nationalism to screw with Britain.The current IRA policy is to kick out the Ulster Scots and import diversity.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Guest
30 days ago

To clarify, I meant small “r” romance, as opposed to Romanticism. I was conceiving of it in a much broader sense. The problem with strict objectivity is that it tends to be cold and inspires few beyond the hyper-rationalistic. Objectivity has its place, particularly in formulating strategy, but it must take a backseat to the dreams, horror tales, and epic dramas of ultimate victory that we should employ when endeavoring to convert emotion-driven normies. Right-wingers often get hunkered down in the nuts-and-bolts of various issues while their progressive opponents construct Utopia in their own (deluded) minds. We have to offer… Read more »

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Mo'ray Washington
Reply to  Rhodok
30 days ago

get ready for door number 3!

Pursuvant
Pursuvant
30 days ago

Let the genuine people carry the truth, honor, and decency in their hearts, while they accept the responsibility to act as a corrective force of the Universe.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Pursuvant
30 days ago

Hear Hear.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

The collective memory of people today is approaching zero. We all live in an eternal present with no past and no future. And I’m not talking about a lack of historical perspective, which has always been low for Americans. But actual memory. We don’t seam to remember arguments and facts from a week ago, let alone months or a few years. And we can’t forecast what the consequences of actions taken today will be tomorrow, next week or next month. It’s like we’ve woke up and find ourselves behind the wheel of a car going 60 on a highway with… Read more »

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Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

The collective memory of people today is approaching zero.”

That is mainly a consequence of living in an age of media saturation. Like a kid in a toy store, we are constantly throwing down one toy to grasp the latest one offered to us.

StephanieG
StephanieG
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

My Internet was out 90% of the time for the last 10 days and when it was ‘working’ SM and YT weren’t loading. I discovered that without the Internet everything in my world is normal. I saw clearly just how hateful,negative,savage,vicious and socially corrosive the Internet is. Not only did I get my peace of mind back my productivity level astonished me. To give just one example I read more in the last 10 days than I have managed in the last 18 months. It is depressing to realise that only an enforced absence made me give up the Internet… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  StephanieG
30 days ago

Don’t mistake obliviousness for peace of mind. Certainly we all need to back away sometimes – the frustration of knowing it’s all going to hell while you can do almost nothing about it is maddening. But that feeling of ‘normality’ is the one ‘normies’ have – that of mindless ignorance and confirmation bias that everything will always be fine. You needn’t give up the entirety of the net – but you should have cancelled all social media years ago and you tube should be a limited, last resort.

Cloudswrest
Cloudswrest
Reply to  3g4me
30 days ago

In the Tom Cruise movie “Edge of Tomorrow” Cruise’s character is in a war fighting aliens. Every time he gets killed in battle (pretty much every day) the “game” is reset to the previous day and he starts over (kind of like Groundhogs Day). In one instance he decides to go AWOL and take a break. The aliens take over London and he is killed anyway.

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

That’s an excellent analogy. Candy is fun: but more than (perhaps) a single piece per day brings on more grief than good. Many wise people similarly advocate for a news diet. Reading a Z blog is, in my opinion, high quaity information. Sort of the equivalent of brushing and flossing at the end of the day 🙂

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

There is some decent neuroscience out there that suggests the neocortex rewires to assimilate internet based information–but at a serious cost to the ability to understand complex data in longer term context. Even worse for children that grow up on the internet.

Pursuvant
Pursuvant
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

That’s a terrific observation Dino, the explanation from nature of mind perspective is we have allowed our awareness to become so completely entangled with thinking, sensing, and perceiving, that awareness is hidden in the background, veiled by thought, sensation, and perceptions (seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, touching.

Untangle that egoic mess, recognize you are Awareness, you are that which is aware of all experience, but not made of thinking, sensing, or perceiving. Things exist, but you are.

StephanieG
StephanieG
Reply to  Pursuvant
30 days ago

Are you familiar with the teachings of Sri Raman a Maharshi,Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj on advaita vedanta? Have you read the “Ashtavakra Gita”? I found Vedanta too dry,or perhaps too advanced, for my taste and I have taken up Bhakti yoga. The sincere devotion towards a personally chosen deity is the quickest and the sweetest way towards Self realisation.I I mention all this because there is a spiritual vacuum in the West. Christianity is close to death in Western countries and while those trying to revive it are to be applauded for trying to restore a spiritual vision in the West… Read more »

Pursuvant
Pursuvant
Reply to  StephanieG
30 days ago

The discoveries of quantum mechanics of the last 15 years are discrediting matter, time, and space. Neils Bohr tried to tell us “everything we think is real is made of stuff that is fundamentally not real”.

What I reject is the world’s fundamental religion of Materialism. It will be fully dis-credited just like the flat earth belief.

God’s Infinite Being will be realized as the source of all being.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Pursuvant
30 days ago

Sounds like somebody’s been reading Proclus and Plotinus.

ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  StephanieG
30 days ago

Nah.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  StephanieG
30 days ago

Sadly, sweet devotion to Jesus Christ has led me to to the self realization that your vision of yoga replacing Christianity is bat shit crazy. The West does not need the mumbo jumbo of a third world cess pit. I suggest you read something else when your Internet is down.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  StephanieG
30 days ago

Not Our God.
Never was, never can be.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

Collective memory is a quality of a People, not a hypothecated “nation of immigrants.” My own siblings have very different memories of our childhood. Normally its a sweet thing to reminisce about the olden days because they can offer up a different perspective and even unearth long-forgotten details of events. Many laughs. But it is also a reminder of the duress and chaos that we experienced as many of those disparate memories were due to being pitted against one another or as a defense and survival mechanism due to scarcity. Even with the kaleidoscope of time refracting our experience into… Read more »

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

Regarding historical perspective, living in the present is often better than living in the past or future. Furthermore, history is not the study of the past, per se, but rather the study of present documents, which may not be complete or completely trustworthy. History is really only helpful if it can be used to alleviate current problems. Failing that, it simply becomes mental masturbation.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Drew
30 days ago

Tucker Carlson was hoping to study certain documents 🙂 Actually, this incident is, in my cynical opinion, a better example of how the real world operates. History may be written by the winners, but I’d suspect lot of the writings (or writers!) vanish before anyone read them 🙁

Crispin
Crispin
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

Spot on.

How many remember the The rich dentist who killed “Cecil” the lion?
That had the partisans -worldwide- in an uproar for a few weeks.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Crispin
30 days ago

The list endless, but my favorite was probably that Koney…no, Kony guy in Africa somewhere. That feigned outrage came and went so fast I didn’t even have time to figure out what it was about.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

I believe what you describe is a side effect of the Internet, smartphones, and social media.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
30 days ago

Gonna go out on a limb again.
Trump wins by a decisive majority.

The lefties will piss and moan as they always do, but they won’t move to Canada nor will they start a civil war. They may burn and loot their own cities – and I am just peachy with that.

Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
30 days ago

When are American leftists going to realize that, with a few exceptions, most Canadians don’t want American crazies coming into their country. Under the current Winnie the Flu outbreak, Canadians want the border sealed tight. If the election madness leads to more disorder after Nov.3, the calls to keep the crazies out will be even louder. Genuine refugees will be welcomed, troublemakers will be allowed to freeze to death as they attempt to sneak across the border in sub zero temperatures.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Raymond R
30 days ago

Did you come up with “Winnie the Flu”? Genius.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

More like whiny the flu..

Retronomicon
Retronomicon
Reply to  usNthem
30 days ago

I coined ‘Wu-Ping COV’. Try that one out. ‘Wuhanic plague’ is good too. Other notables..Chinken Pox, HANta Virus, Ming Dysentery

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Retronomicon
30 days ago

Kung fru!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

Nice. Winnie the Pooh and that picture of President Xi.

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KGB
KGB
Reply to  Raymond R
30 days ago

I love the assumption by the usual suspects that they’ll be welcomed with open arms into Canada. A sizeable portion of Canadians don’t like Americans. Period. One thing I’ve always noticed, living on the border, is that the Canadian flag flies all over the place here in the States — at marinas, shopping centers, hockey rinks, anywhere that a Canadian might be reasonably expected to visit — but when you get to Canada, American flags are as rare as hen’s teeth. It reminds me of a joke that I believe originated in Scandinavia: What’s one thing Canadians have that American’s… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  KGB
30 days ago

I love the assumption by the usual suspects that they’ll be welcomed with open arms into Canada

I have an acquaintance like this. He and his wife constantly to Canada to buy the weird potato chip flavors, he spells words in Canadian English, loves the CFL, took up curling to a near pro level, hates the US, and wants to see it burn because Orange Man Bad.

StephanieG
StephanieG
Reply to  KGB
30 days ago

10 years ago I visited America for the first time*. We saw American flags everywhere and being British we were inclined to scoff somewhat at what we considered to be childish patriotism. However,a few days later we soon changed our cynical tune and realised just how warm,friendly and welcoming Americans were and how great America was and that Americans were fully justified in the great love of their country. I felt sad that I just didn’t feel that way for Britain.
*Orlando,Florida.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  StephanieG
30 days ago

Are you ‘British’ or English? Because I’m getting a strong smell of curry.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  3g4me
30 days ago

Good spot. As my grandfather would say of a ‘coloured’ referring to themselves as English:

‘He ain’t English… He’s British‘.

One is usually born English; one usually becomes British. At least, this distinction means something to me and mine.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  OrangeFrog
30 days ago

That distinction was made very clear to me during my time living in England, and with my subsequent English friends elsewhere. Too many Americans don’t realize how true Englishmen refer to themselves.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
30 days ago

LOL

I’ll tell ya, ma’am, you don’t pull any punches 😉

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

I’ve dealt with them in England, in Jamaica, and in the US. There are a number of obvious tells. I hate liars and fakes, and parasites.

Stephanie G
Stephanie G
Reply to  3g4me
30 days ago

I am British but I am NOT English. I am a Scot born and bred. Americans seem to have great difficulty understanding that England is only one part of the UK/GB and not the whole country.
I wouldn’t pay much attention to ‘OrangeFrog’ he strikes me as being an Alf Garnet* type. Lol
*Archie Bunker was the very much watered down version of Alf Garnet.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  StephanieG
30 days ago

how great America was”

Was being the operative term here.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  KGB
30 days ago

A sizeable portion of Canadians don’t like Americans

A sizeable portion of the world doesn’t like Americans. Including many of our so-called allies.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  c matt
30 days ago

Yes, but the Canadians take it to unprecedented levels. Flags on their backpacks.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  c matt
30 days ago

Much of the dislike is justified, and the rest is rooted in envy. If we hadn’t invaded/invited the world, neither would be a problem.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  KGB
30 days ago

When I asked the Yukoner if Canada had nuclear weapons, he replied, “Sure we do. And they’re all on the border, pointed at you.”

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Alzaebo
30 days ago

Good quip, but Canada has not had nukes since the 80’s. They live under our umbrella.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  CompscI
30 days ago

You misspelled “heel”.

Fazwaz
Fazwaz
Reply to  KGB
30 days ago

Not sure a nation of street sh*tters makes for a good neighbor.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Raymond R
30 days ago

Northeasterners in the States are particularly guilty of this presumptuousness. They move to the South or West and promptly demand everyone conform to their ideals. They live self-satisfied lives until they happen upon locals, unaware of their presence, talking about how much they hate the guts of the newcomers. The Great White North, should seal its border and boot out any American Visa overstays.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Jack Dobson
30 days ago

You’re right, but it’s a particular kind of NEer. We regular northerners suffer by them too.

And we talk. And it’s just as shocking to them.

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Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
30 days ago

The Yankee Puritan is despised in Upstate NY. Ask around.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

Few intrastate contrasts are as jarring as upstate NY vs NYC/Long Island.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Paintersforms
30 days ago

In my neck of upstate NY you’re as likely to see the stars and bars as you are to see a BLM flag.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

Just for fun, Ep, shall we have a look at the Demographic makeup of NY since the first Europeans? Here’s the thing: NY never had “Puritans.” NY was founded by the Dutch and French missionaries. Even if you count Protestants, Most were non-conformists, not Puritans.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  RoBG
30 days ago

Yes. I know all that. It’s why Upstaters don’t like New England Puritan types. They have vivid memories of the Burned-Over District.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Raymond R
30 days ago

It’s payback! You inflicted Neil Young, Jim Carrey, Samantha Bee, and many other obnoxious lefties upon us.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Drake
30 days ago

And Kamala Harris! High school in Toronto, I believe.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Alzaebo
30 days ago

while kamala complains about school busing, I just don’t believe her.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Raymond R
30 days ago

Raymond said: “troublemakers will be allowed to freeze to death as they attempt to sneak across the border in sub zero temperatures.”
We call that a win-win situation.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Raymond R
30 days ago

Canada learned their lesson from giving asylum to the Vietnam draft dodgers. On second thought, given their loose immigration policies since then, no they didn’t.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Raymond R
30 days ago

“When are American leftists going to realize that, with a few exceptions, most Canadians don’t want American crazies coming into their country.”

Most Leftists “realize” than Canada=Toronto and/or Vancouver. I’d be surprised if any went there to live in the frozen sticks. It’s the same story everywhere, liberals taking over urban centers then vomiting dictats at the people who actually work the land.

B124
B124
Reply to  Gunner Q
30 days ago

Lots of shitlib Americans in Toronto.

The lack of joggers really allows them to live a slutty lifestyle. I think their #1 achievement here is spreading their legs for Canadian men.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Glenfilthie
30 days ago

I hope you’re right. Keep pressing until inauguration. Get desperate.

Normalperson
Reply to  Glenfilthie
30 days ago

You must not be following the early voting numbers or the betting markets huh?

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Normalperson
30 days ago

I have been wrong before. I didn’t think the Buckwheat Administration was going to pick up a second term, but they did.
Who knows.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Normalperson
30 days ago

Oh, I’m definitely taking notice on PredictIt. Gonna clean up!

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
30 days ago

If there is ever going to be a force to topple the current Left, their first task will be to eliminate those more concerned about truth and reason than the welfare of genuine people.” An infelicitous turn of phrase: Can we stipulate that the first task of the vital beneficial force will be to “bypass those more concerned about truth and reason” in order to protect welfare of genuine people?

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Sand Wasp
Reply to  Jim Smith
30 days ago

It takes too much time and effort to bypass. That is a luxury we won’t have. They have made themselves an enemy of our people, so they must be eliminated. It is necessary for our survival.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Sand Wasp
30 days ago

“[T]hey must be eliminated.”
Well, then, prepare for Idiocracy. Seriously, only imbeciles would want to live in a world devoid of truth and reason. Imagine the most gynocentric, feminist hell hole possible, then double the wine-soaked emotional shrieking that ensues, unattenuated by the merest whisper of fact-based logic.
Jim Smith correctly realized that Zman was arguing for the need to set aside philosophy and employ other means to prevail over partisans. His “elimination” was not your genocide. In your haste to engender the Revolution, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with what happened to Robespierre.

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Guest
Guest
Reply to  Maus
30 days ago

maus, about that niggling over nothing…

The fate of Robespierre was decided by LEFTISTS, as is ours.

We need not worry about being Robespierre, we need to worry about being exterminated like the Vendee.

Although at least the Vendee fought.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

If there is ever going to be a force to topple the current Left, their first task will be to eliminate those more concerned about truth and reason than the welfare of genuine people.

White people suffer from Pathological Honesty as much as Pathological Altruism.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

Pathological Honesty

That’s the programming you get in Whitopia, USA.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

I don’t know about that. It’s white liberals who change their view of reality from moment to moment. Minorities are not smart enough to gaslight. Blacks believe in magic racism, but that’s more in line with superstition than being knowingly deceptive.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  DLS
30 days ago

Changing your concepts of reality moment to moment is good policy and in fact is normal, desirable behavior — if such revisions adapt to new information, to update your models of how the real world operates. “Truth” is well defined as the best descriptive (and ideally, predictive) model of reality, given all available information. On the other hand, if you need “5”, and you only have “2 + 2 = ?” to work with, then yes, denying reality suddenly shows up as a delightful escape from your dilemma. This example well demonstrates the magic thinking so many humans engage in.… Read more »

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Guest
Guest
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

The only force that currently exists is the Left. That and their captive, sullen state apparatus.

For people to choose to fight the Left instead of just survive, there must be a force, an infrastructure, an organization for them to join- and there is none. Nor do they simply materialize on game day.

Even cheerleaders don’t just show up on game day. They may have tits, but they’ve got more brains and more balls than the Right.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

Honesty’s a good thing. So is integrity, honor and courage. That’s how Whitey got to the top. That’s why the jews hate us, none of these principals apply to them.

JustaProle
JustaProle
30 days ago

“Politics in a democracy is immediate, rather than deliberative, so that first impression counts for a lot. If in the fullness of time those initial arguments are found to be full of lies or simply wrong, it does not matter as everyone is onto the next thing. It is rare in a democracy for the debate to circle back and address an old argument or have a do-over.” I would add that the speed and nature of the modern mass media and news cycle doesn’t allow or – in many cases – is unwilling to re-examine those initial arguments. Whether… Read more »

MN Steel
MN Steel
30 days ago

The reason for this is war is a conflict between two sides, neither of which has a reason to see things from the point of view of the other side.”

I would argue in this case that one side can absolutely see things from the other’s point of view.

And whether it is Operation Barbarossa or The Gates of Vienna, the war will happen.

usNthem
usNthem
30 days ago

The partisan left with their willful (or maybe not) decoupling from objective reality is what makes them so unpredictable and dangerous. There’s more predictably in a cancer diagnosis. And as with cancer, they must be excised from the body politic as well as society in general – chemo, radiation and surgery might be apt metaphors. The only thing lacking at this point is the will to seriously raise the black flag and get on with it.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
30 days ago

This willingness to transcend the rules of language was on display this week as democrats threw a choreographed tantrum over Judge Barrett. I watched their hysterics at the hearing, the floor vote and after vote events and wondered who the hell do they think they’re persuading with this bullshit. The whole thing became a show decades ago. But the point of the show was to persuade people to vote for them. Then the show became a circus, still to persuade but with a large dollop of entertainment. But now, it’s more some kind of bizarre cathartic performance art. The progressive… Read more »

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Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
30 days ago

The Objectivism of the ‘truth and reason’ crowd is, at it’s core, just as weird, hypocritical, and partisan as the partisans. A great example are the literal Ayn Rand Objectivists. Reading through Reason magazine (clown horn) even ten years ago or listening to the shenanigans that happens in their conferences, one is struck by the purges, petty squabbles, and resilience to basics of biology and sociology that would fit more with a radical LGBTQIALPHABETSOUP activist than your cold, calculating arbiter of truth. It’s all a virtue signal for cold objectivity of a man with no roots and no community. It’s… Read more »

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Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Chet Rollins
30 days ago

LGBTQIALPHABETSOUP activist.” I like that nomenclature! And suggest an alternative: “LGBTGOULASH activist.” (Open to further suggestions.)

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Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Chet Rollins
30 days ago

Well said. Yes, the avoidance-cope of constructing an alt-reality of Reason and Evidence descends into the absurd and petty just like the leftist death cult it claims to “fight” (through well-reasoned dialectic of course, wouldn’t want to violate the NAP). There can be only one dungeon master in the fantasy so much of the fantasy is simply a function of status among the various players in the realm of magical thinking. Meanwhile the explicit partisans take more ground. So much has been lost to our own self-imposed drift away from the explicit (active) to the implicit (passive). Intellectualizing concepts into… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
30 days ago

The main problem I have with Trump is that he keeps straying over into the Partisan camp without knowing it. The entire alphabet soup of perverts is a case in point. There is simply no way to have a “big tent” party. You can’t sharpen your focus in such an environment. And, of course, this is precisely what the Chamber of Commercial Horrors wants. By getting their party-of-preference running off in a dozen directions at once, nobody sees what the C of C weasels are doing off in the corner. Having said all that, Trump is the only choice for… Read more »

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

Having said all that, Trump is the only choice for our side at this moment.

General Franco is not going to walk through that door.

Pinochet’s ghost is not firing up the Hueys.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
30 days ago

Again, I say… At. This. Moment.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

A “Big Tent Party” may be possible, but not when you’re talking about hundreds of thousands of people from disparate cultures and backgrounds.

Falcone
Falcone
30 days ago

I would guess that what is fueling this phenomenon is 75% to 90% based on sex — or gender more precisely

Women = Fantasists (aka Partisans)

Men = Realists (aka Objectivists)

Does anyone know whether this sort of thing was as prevalent before suffrage?

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BTP
Member
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

The War of Northern Aggression would be the first example that springs to mind. All of the statements of secession read just like the Declaration of Independence, yet we celebrate the one and denigrate the others. How hypocritical of Lincoln to suspend habeas corpus, exile dissenting legislators, censor the free press in pursuit of his preferred government structure against those who, just like the DoI says, have tried all other means to reconcile their grievances and must finally resort to dissolving those bonds which have tied them to other governments, etc.

Republicans are the real imperialists.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  BTP
30 days ago

The abolition movement was fraught with Karens

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Don’t totally fault the Abolitionists. Only fairly late in life (my 50s) did I learn that many Abolitionists advocated repatriation (hence, Liberia). I didn’t even read Uncle Tom’s Cabin until about age 55. I must concede those foaming-at-the-mouth Puritans at least a grain of common sense: they didn’t want the newly-freed living in their lily white State any more than the disgraced defeated Southern man did.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
30 days ago

Think that spirit lives on because people in New England are pretty racist

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Uncle Tom’s Cabin is proof that you don’t need the Internet to push propaganda in order to brainwash a bunch of white women into a really bad idea.

Christian Attorney in Ohio
Reply to  BTP
30 days ago

Although I think the wrong side won the war, Lincoln would have permitted slavery if the South had stayed. Crazies were calling the shots on both sides.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Christian Attorney in Ohio
30 days ago

If we’d left well enough alone, slavery would have passed out of existence of itself. It was non-productive in face of industrialization. We should have financed the purchase of slaves and repatriation when purchased. The South & North both would have been ahead of the game.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  CompscI
30 days ago

Americans hate paying taxes and fought multiple civil wars over them.
The kind of tax regime needed for repatriation would be too expensive for the political system to tolerate so it was scrapped.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Lots of local advert placards/billboards proclaiming mostly women running for local control. They’re so oppressed and hand maid tailed yet have most of the local and much state control in Utah. The local school board is being scrapped over by one Big Tessa Boom Boom, with two large obvious gun emplacements and big caboose, and a guy who manufactures Ag equipment. Told Basic Husband I’m not voting for women anymore. Done! I don ‘t effing care if the Ag guy grills kids on his Weber kettle. Will vote for him and done with raging woo-woo-feelings chicks. Shocked a gal telling… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Range Front Fault
30 days ago

I do this when voting for judges, 99.9% of whom no one knows anything about except their name. I never vote for women, jews or minority sounding names. I am not anti any of them, but just playing the law of averages on how they will judge.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Range Front Fault
30 days ago

Yep, men have to take a stand and call a spade a spade. This is women gone crazy b/c no man is there to rein them in

A simple Bond-like slap across the collective face would do wonders

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Back in the 1970s, Dad was involved in local politics. Once he used the phrase “call a spade a spade” to a new acquaintance. The man replied, “Where I come from we called them….” you can guess the rest 🙂

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Range Front Fault
30 days ago

Back before I stopped voting (which rule I broke in 2016 but have subsequently reinstated), my husband and I were agreed that regardless of purported political position, we’d vote for any male over any female and any one with a White name versus Han/Hispanic/pajeet. And watch for secondary dog whistles. Any sign with green/red/yellow is for pajeets; any with white, light blue, and dark blue is for jevvs.

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Range Front Fault
30 days ago

A woman running for local office where I live advertises that she favors People Over Politics. Don’t anyone tell her that politics IS people – just like Soylent Green.

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ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Used to think women were the romantics and men were the steely eyed logical realists.

Talk to any man who’s been married for awhile (or worse, divorced) and you’ll learn that statement is exactly backwards.

Women are a hell of a lot more pragmatic than men give the, credit for.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  ProZNoV
30 days ago

Their romantic side is probably just another act.

And they say they love poetry, but a man wax poetic and they look like they want to puke in his face

They are just pains in the ass.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Just a friendly reminder that the establishment of the Federal Reserve; the Income Tax (16th); the direct election of Senators (17th); and Prohibition (18th) were all enacted before the franchise was extended to women (my theory being that that was a reaction to mass immigration from incompatible cultures.)

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  RoBG
30 days ago

But the special lunacy we see today in all likelihood is an outgrowth of extending the franchise

Men will do stupid things, but there is always a reason behind it that can be articulated

What we see now is just plain madness

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Granma was born in 1885, Mom was born in 1916, so from personal experience, I’d say… nope.

Those ladies were as grounded as they come. Independent as all get-out, too.

They knew the men might get disappeared for whatever reason, so they had to be able to stand on their own, and keep the kids and elderly fed.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
30 days ago

The truth is, there is no reasoning with a partisan.

Yes. Exactly, and when things get even worse the only solution is to become partisan yourself. Truth and reason – whilst highly vaunted – are just not really useful tools in today’s white world, at least not in the political and social spheres. It takes a high trust society to use the tools responsibly; and we do not have this now.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
30 days ago

Well said. If the GOP is to survive, they must lust after power just as much as the Democrats. No more beautiful losers. That’s where Trump comes in. He would rather die than lose.

Christian Attorney in Ohio
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

If Trump loses, I don’t think he’ll die. However, the left will probably send him to prison and confiscate his family fortune.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Epaminondas
30 days ago

We saw what the GOP was made of when they controlled the Presidency, Congress, and Senate for two years and wouldn’t even act on their own platform issues. We can argue about who they serve, but it isn’t the working- or middle- classes.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  OrangeFrog
30 days ago

The problem is that the lefty media and hollywood are extremely effective at mocking conservatives who try to play the same game they play. They can make partisan righties look crazy to the broad population, while their own 180 degree swings in reality are simply ignored.

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David Wright
Member
30 days ago

Remember when liberals and conservatives fought for the same things but disagreed about the process. Big government and small government, socialism vs. capitalism, that sort of thing. With the woke thing going full bore and anti-white pogrom all going forward, that’s all gone now. Sprinkle that with demographic change, full corruption of mass media, low iq and distracted populace and you see the present results. The west and the U.S. in particular have been on this downward path for decades, Enoch Powell, James Burnham, Sam Francis, Pat Buchanan being the first to warn and describe all of this. Inevitable when… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  David Wright
30 days ago

Seeing the side-by-side photos of the Chik-fil-A CEO shining the shoes of the black guy and then the scene of the vandalized Chik-fil-A restaurant in Philadelphia is a reminder that for Whites, no matter how much you virtue signal about being “on their side,” ultimately you’re the enemy, and they’re coming after you next. It’s now all about race. Race, race, race.

B124
B124
Reply to  Wolf Barney
30 days ago

South Africa is 99% christian, yet whites are murdered there with impunity. Race is the most important.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  B124
30 days ago

i have my doubts about sub saharans being able to become true christians, ethiopians have different genetic makeup.

Mycroft Jones
Mycroft Jones
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

Ethiopians have substantial amounts of Arab DNA.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

We’re supposed to believe that when they’re dancing and throwing themselves all over the place and wailing in church they are celebrating the same God as us

Ok, normie civnat, sure

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

if we judge based on iq alone then sub saharans including ethiopians can’t become christians.
can you call a white mental retard a true christian?
they can’t really distinguish between right and wrong, they are like animals, that’s why i can’t see them being able to become christians.
Can dogs become christians?
Though at the same time if you love Jesus then I guess God finds a way.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

Reminds me of arguments I used to have w libertarians.

“Let people make the decisions for themselves” idea

I would ask, ok, can a mental retard who can’t feed himself or tie his shoes without assistance be in a position to make decisions like that?

You never get an answer

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Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  David Wright
30 days ago

What we’re seeing now is the result of Marxists taking over the education establishment some 50-odd years ago & brainwashing students into “new think”. Used to be the “politics stopped & the water’s edge”. No longer unfortunately.

sentry
sentry
30 days ago

In the recent interview with Alex Jones Joe rogan been fact checking every single statement Alex made. But when lefties come to Joe rogan podcasts they are not being scrutinized like he was. & when you see khazarian leprechauns like Shapiro have the audacity to say facts don’t care about feelings you realize fact checking is for simps. This is war and in war It’s important to know who is your ally and who is your Enemy. If the leftist or some Other Enemy says something that is true or something that you agree with that doesn’t turn him into… Read more »

red36
red36
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

I don’t think Joe was checking Alex in an attempt to challenge him. He was attempting to legitimate Alex, which I think he did.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  red36
30 days ago

He needs to fact check those lefists as well and to stop obsessing over that One wrong name Alex Jones mentioned, unless he does the same with Bernie sanders whenever he invites him on.

red36
red36
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

I actually think it’s more useful to prop Alex up as legitimate than to attempt to debunk every leftist bullshit. As per Z Mans argument, it’s actually not that useful to refute their narrative.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  red36
30 days ago

I actually think it’s more useful to prop Alex up as legitimate
depends on your view of israelites and africans, alex jones never blames them and he wants to retire, what’s the point of propping him up? If Alex jones won’t mention the enemies, he ain’t really on the white side is he?
returning to my initial argument, to play the facts game makes you look like a simp, alex jones didn’t even care about rogan’s questions at the end, he got drunk and started talking gibberish.

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

AJ makes a fair point that not all globalists are Jews, but he does name Soros, Rothschild, and the ADL, which practically nobody with his reach will do. Calls out black racism too. Some CivNatery is tolerable for that.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Paintersforms
30 days ago

i like alex jones, but he ain’t white nationalist, he has the same ideology as trump, which is make civic nationalist america great again, there’s plenty of those around.
anyhow, jones will retire so it does not even matter at this point.

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

I just can’t see him retiring. I could see him dialing it back to the Sunday show but he seems to live for the fight. Besides he’s in so deep they’d probably destroy him if he walked away.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
30 days ago

Not only are objectivists limited to facts and reason, but are limited—TERRIFIED—about being called a racist. (gasp!)

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Wolf Barney
30 days ago

b/c there are real objective repercussions to being called that

A situation where one’s objectivity is used against him.

We need to find a way to use the partisans’s powers against them. And objectively speaking, the only real way is to leave them alone and watch them suffer their delusions when life falls apart around them and there isn’t a man around to fix it.

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BTP
Member
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

No. They will burn everything down. That’s not an option.

Moss
Member
Reply to  BTP
30 days ago

Perhaps their localized destruction prevents them from expanding their reach? I suspect that small, quiet pockets of resistance will direct the purple city mobs to low hanging fruit and bypass harder targets.
When the water and power stop flowing, the Orcs will feel the real test of their convictions.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  BTP
30 days ago

It’s the option we are living with True, blacks won’t suffer. They thrive in a burned out urban landscape because they thrive in the jungle. It’s home away from home. What we, rather, should put our efforts toward is making white women feel the pain. I think any man who has dealt with a troublesome spouse or female in his life knows that sometimes, for their own benefit, you have to let women suffer for their delusions. We don’t jump in and save them. We let it happen. Insofar as this battle of partisans vs objectivists is a battle of… Read more »

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Locust Post
Locust Post
30 days ago

Nice summary of the insane arguing with the autistic elements of the elite leadership of the country. The result is predictable chaos. I like to think one can exist in the predictable chaos tribe–which means you see that norms and rules are gone, which also means you have more freedom to interpret things your own way and to your benefit. Screw ’em. There’s opportunity in the distraction.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Locust Post
30 days ago

There’s opportunity in the distraction.

This is definitely true enough in my field of work. Many opportunities exist and are opening up. A technical type job (IT guru, System Admin, Programmer, Engineer) or trades person can rest assured that they will, in all likelihood, still be valuable.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Locust Post
30 days ago

The problem is that chaos has its own rules, and they only flow one way within the lefty bubble.

KunioKun
KunioKun
30 days ago

>> Just as their violence is speech, while your speech is violence, the logic of the situation is being turned on its head.
Quote of 2020 right there. You better tweet that out or gab it or whatever. You’ll live forever in meme videos.

petromachine
petromachine
Reply to  KunioKun
30 days ago

that quote has been used by jaredhowe.net for over a year now

Falcone
Falcone
30 days ago

Science is Violence

You know it’s coming, if it hasn’t already been here wrt HBD

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

I have recently been reading the works of Sir Isaac Newton, and nowhere does he renounce white supremacy. Naturally, I burned the treatise and immediately reported Sir Isaac for a historical hate crime.

On a more serious note, it is already here with regards to genetics. I will be very surprised if all of our latest discoveries in this field miraculously end up agreeing with the woke world view.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  OrangeFrog
30 days ago

Can’t fool Mother Nature

Simple as that. She always wins in the end.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

I thought Africa always wins.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  KGB
30 days ago

That’s Mammy Nature

She was Mother Nature’s cleaning lady

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Can’t fool Mother Nature . . . in the long run. For long periods, you can at least put off her wrath.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  c matt
30 days ago

Yes, she’s been sidelined for now

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Not really. The globe is slipping into a real “not enough food” type famine do to drought, flooding, locusts and more.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  OrangeFrog
30 days ago

freud hated whites with impunity, no one blinks an eye about him. How strange!

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

Nabokov called him the Viennese Witch Doctor

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

Never heard such about Freud. Since his clientele were all/mostly White, and such was also where he had academic appointments, where do you derive this anti-White bigotry from? Certainly, in the papers and monographs I’ll read, I don’t remember any such theme.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  CompscI
30 days ago

Read his letters

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

They won’t need to go to war with science. As with global warming, they will just claim their emotional beliefs are science.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  DLS
30 days ago

science is racist

Math is racist

jimmy
jimmy
30 days ago

“We have met the enemy and he is us.” Walt Kelly

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
30 days ago

This is an important post about how and why “objectivists” are struck dumb by partisan Leftism divorced from reality. (How can that BE? we ask.) So? Is it time for objectivists to become more “partisan” themselves? After all, it is historically true that “reality” must often be imposed and enforced. That’s where civilization comes from.

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Rich
Member
30 days ago

The right needs to realize it’s in a war and act like it. Circling the wagons will never be enough to stop the “ends justify the means” team. A defense may slow down an offense, but it doesn’t score as many points.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Rich
30 days ago

Issue wedgies and see what happens. Don’t take the wedgie off the table. War might still be avoided. 🙂

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Paintersforms
30 days ago

Well, Trump is pantsing ’em. Pulling those baggy shorts right down to their ankles, he is.

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
30 days ago

Interesting then that the educated have gone left while working people are going right. So Joe Sixpack is more reasonable than Professor Woke.

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Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Paintersforms
30 days ago

It takes an incredible amount of academic conditioning to disbelieve what your eyes watching the real world tell you every day.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Chet Rollins
30 days ago

Academic conditioning, and financial interest. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.” -Upton Sinclair

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
30 days ago

It takes a tremendous amount of fanaticism to override vast warehouses of contradictory evidence and data. The Partisans are fanatics to the core.

Whitney
Member
30 days ago

“their violence is speech, while your speech is violence”

Thats great.

The honorable person is always handicapped in dealing with the dishonorable but still sometimes wins. Other factors are in play

Drew
Drew
30 days ago

“They imagine a time when the partisan suddenly realizes the truth of his situation, throws down his weapons and embraces the objectivist as a brother in logic. For the objectivist, reason has become escapism in order to avoid what must be done.” in fairness to objectivists, some things are inevitable. If someone is, say, driving fast towards a brick wall, they’re inevitably going to hit it, unless they stop before they hit it. The thing is, they are stopping either way. Consequently, if you can’t convince someone to stop before they hit the wall, all you can really do is… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Drew
30 days ago

Consequently, if you can’t convince someone to stop before they hit the wall, all you can really do is walk away and let them hit the wall.

The situation changes a bit if you’re in the car with them.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Vizzini
30 days ago

Sure, maybe try jumping out. Ultimately, this points back to the fundamental flaw of the constitution, in that it’s a bad idea to make alliances with people whose vision of direction is radically different from yours.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Drew
30 days ago

As an admirer of Ayn Rand, at least parts of her philosophy, allow me to give a quick book report about her best effort Atlas Shrugged. Of course, it’s not a perfect analogue of the real world. In her story, the Good are highly competent and industrious, called Producers. The Evil (Rand’s Looters; we could call them Woke today) are delusional and incompetent. If only the real world were as clear-cut. But returning to the novel: the Producers resisted as long as they could. Yes, they did retreat to their Hidden Valley and you could call this “giving up”, or… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
30 days ago

Another aspect of Rand that I have recent reference to is the “Virtue of Selfishness”. One can not be required to sacrifice oneself for another. Mask wearing mandates is of that ilk.

Moss
Member
30 days ago

In other words, to the partisan, their violence is speech, while your speech is violence. The objectivists are stymied by this sleight of hand, so they have remained dumbstruck by it. The problem is the objectivists have no other thought of how to respond. They stay in the “game”, muttering “but, but, but….” ad nauseum. Certainly the fruit of this Lucy’s Football Feedback Loop is that Charlie Brown is no longer tempted to attempt the kick. Hopefully he’s off to the range instead. We will win, and rebuild, likely to repeat the sins of our fathers. So let’s get walking… Read more »

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Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Moss
30 days ago

To beat a dead horse, Charlie’s first mistake was agreeing to let Lucy play football. How quickly she became the keeper of the ball and the maker of the rules. Charlie walks off the field. Lucy cries foul. Though she is hard to hear through her mask. I will be at the range with Charlie tomorrow AM to zero my rye fulls. Stoked. Time for Charlie to stop playing with (getting played by) the mean girls and get back into shape. He is kinda pudgy, after all.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Screwtape
30 days ago

Like Lucy says, a hard man is good to find.

Vizzini
Vizzini
30 days ago

 The truth is, there is no reasoning with a partisan. 

Once you have accepted that, the subsequent course of action becomes clear.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
30 days ago

The truth is, there is no reasoning with a partisan. There is no way to reason with someone who will not stipulate to the basic facts of life. They exist beyond reason.” True. Thus the necessity of imposing and defending reality-based culture, mores and, ultimately, civilization.

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Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Jim Smith
30 days ago

Why should a partisan stipulate to the basic facts of life, when stubborn and absolute refusal to stipulate works to his favor? This is all about smash-and-grab these days, from stuff in the stores to emotional jollies. The so-called partisan has figured out it all works well for him by his playing the partisan game, so why should he change his thinking? In the real world, the only way to change it is war, all the way to his capitulation (or ours).

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Jim Smith
30 days ago

As to the necessity of imposing and defending reality-based culture, it always ends up coming from the point of a gun, when the objectivists have had enough and finally get off the mat. The partisans lead with the gun, and the objectivists eventually get there, too. But when the objectivists wait too long, and don’t respond quickly and aggressively enough, one ends up with Stalin’s Russia or Mao’s China.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Dutch
30 days ago

True, Dutch. Or Castro’s Cuba, or Maduro’s Venezuela, or lots of other unfortunate places.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
30 days ago

Blacks are playing this game well as are other groups. The objective truth is that blacks commit crimes and misbehave at a higher rate than other groups. It takes very little provocation to set off mass violence, Philadelphia being just the latest example. But it is virtually impossible to discuss the disfunction among blacks in any reasonable way. Their leaders and the left in general ignore any objectivity around the issue. To Blacks it’s about what is good for MY people. MY people meaning black people not the nation at large. For the political forces behind all this it’s about… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
30 days ago

IMO a lot of the partisans know exactly what they are doing, objectively. They do it because it works. They are mau-mauing the flak catchers, because it is effective. Trump is a huge threat to them because he obviously gets their game, and throws it right back at them. There is the thought that, to be on the Left, you need to forget a lot of things. It’s not forgetting, it’s ignoring, for tactical reasons.

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Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Dutch
30 days ago

I re-read Tom Wolfe’s little Gem just last week.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
30 days ago

If you internalize that blacks naturally lean toward mysticism and voodoo, it all will start making sense Instinctively, they believe there are spirits out there affecting them. Bad juju. And the tendency is to give the bad juju a name or a face. Our opponents, very cleverly understand this and have made the bad juju into the face of the everyday white man. Please do not expect there to be a rationale or a logic behind it other than the logic that this is how they function mentally and spiritually. southern whites know this all too well. Blacks can be… Read more »

sentry
sentry
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
30 days ago

 To Blacks it’s about what is good for MY people.
do indoctrinated leftists actually believe blacks will start seeing whites as their own after america elects 44 african presidents and it frees all africans from prisons? How dumb can a leftist be? Not joking, how dumb can white leftists be?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  sentry
30 days ago

white leftists = cat women and soy boys

Reason? Logic? Hah 😉

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

They’re currently writing themselves out of the history books. Modern day shakers.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
30 days ago

Come November 4, regardless of the election’s outcome (will we even know that soon? Seems unlikely.), Trump has absolutely no reason to not unleash National Guard and any other authoritarian actions he might desire. What’ll happen is anyone’s guess, of course.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
30 days ago

“The fact that there is no such thing as a gun show loophole does not matter. It sounds good.” Another common trope goes something like “2nd Amendment rights only refer to a well regulated militia”…DUH. Love to raise my eyebrow in withering condescension and point out that District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) definitively concluded without ambiguity that 2A rights refer to individuals NOT state/federal militias. (then watch the cognitive dissonance go off in their heads) Ultimately, it makes no difference anyway. The Constitution doesn’t mean what you or I think it means, it’s what five of nine freaks in… Read more »

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KGB
KGB
Reply to  ProZNoV
30 days ago

For the umpteenth time, I refer to Sarah Palin’s coinage of “death panels” as one of the rare instances where the right scored a direct bulls-eye. It had the left completely ruffled. We need to take control of the narrative in a way that makes the left (i.e. the feminine side of the culture) appear immoral and/or ignorant. For example, I’ve noticed it makes them twitch when I refer to masking as “voodoo science”.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  KGB
30 days ago

Good one. We need more pithy/catchy phrasing. Trump is fairly good at it…like “Hidin’ Biden”. It’s the verbal/conversational equivalent to the Internet meme.

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
30 days ago

Applying an historical parallel, sounds like Julius Caesar & the Populares (Partisan) vs. Cato the Younger & the Optimates (Objectivist).

Who came out ahead in that battle? The objectivists have no chance.

Of course, Caesar met a brutal end, but his legacy triumphed.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
30 days ago

Who came out ahead in that battle?
Nobody.

Felix Krull
Member
30 days ago

the objectivists have become more certain that reality will step and do the job they refuse to do.

Very good!

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Felix Krull
30 days ago

This is where Oregon is right now. Reality won’t step in. I love that state. I think it’s one of the prettiest in the country. The people though…
https://thepostmillennial.com/oregon-health-offical-dressed-as-clown

Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
30 days ago

In the last 20 years or so there’s been a huge influx of delusional progressives, feminists, and gender benders in Oregon. They have actually come to outnumber people born in the state. They all settle along the I-5 corridor and seem unaware of the existence of the rest of the state. Most, of course, end up in the fetid, sodden latrine known as Portland. California has a reputation for Lefty lunacy but it’s also got a long history, real industries (yes, they’re destroying them all now), and lots of agriculture. There’s been no large influx of population in the last… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  JR Wirth
30 days ago

Well that’s honest.

Allen Lindfors
30 days ago

These people fervently believe these things, it’s not just a tactical pose for them. Thus, no amount of explanation or observable evidence will sway them. You cannot reach some sort of compromise with someone who doesn’t believe anything you might produce for their inspection.

Thud Muffle
Member
30 days ago

I said many years ago that when the Boomers were in full control the stool would hit the fan big time. Here we pretty much are. A very few old folks running out of fingers to plug the holes.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Thud Muffle
30 days ago

I have to stay I have always felt the same, that things would not go back to normal until that generation is bye bye. Ans I do not include the decent individuals of that age in that group but the mass of pigheaded boomers who fukked up pretty much everything since the 1960s

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Not Boomers again. When we go, you’ll have nothing to bitch about. None of the upcoming cohorts coming on will rescue you, for one simple reason: demographics. As bad as we are/were, we were White. When we are gone, less than 50% of the nation will be White. Half of that most likely race indifferent, or worse, race mixing. Normal ain’t coming back—whatever that is.

usNthem
usNthem
30 days ago

Z’s “Age of Covidian” shows up on lewrockell.com today. First time I’ve seen one of his posts there. Spreading out.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  usNthem
30 days ago

LOL

Let me know when the libertarians at Lew Rockwell start freaking out over Zman being published there

But congrats to the big Z for getting his art out there to a wider audience.

Q-ship
Q-ship
30 days ago

”Those more concerned about truth and reason than the welfare of genuine people” is a good description of the National Review crowd and most of the GOP.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Q-ship
30 days ago

“I’m not hiding and cowering, I’m preserving my energies!”

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
30 days ago

This is an apt explanation for why democracy will fail, as explained by John Adams. “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” Our current democracy is now about 117 years old. I date it to the 17th Amendment in 1913, which was a bad year for all kinds of other things as well. I think Adams would have been astounded that it lasted so long, and it only has because of the complex systems developed to service debt that could never have grown to this level in his… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  JR Wirth
30 days ago

All empires collapse under their own weight. John Glubb did a great job of documenting how they typically last 10 generations (200 to 250 years).

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  JR Wirth
30 days ago

Perhaps it wasn’t the best idea to allow people who can barely manage a checkbook or their children to have a say in the operations of a society My feeling is that democracy was only ever going to work in perhaps rural or semi-rural societies of people of northern European stock, and of those mainly the English and perhaps Scandinavians. Sometimes I think even Germans are a bad idea for a democracy. My family is from Italy and I would be the first to tell anyone they’d be crazy to let Italians run a democracy. But at least life would… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

I totally agree. It doesn’t even function in high population counties. And the fact that Shanequa’s vote counts the same as mine is total madness. There are certain laws of nature, and humanity is part of them, and human beings are not hard wired for it beyond a village level.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  JR Wirth
30 days ago

and now they want to give Shanequa’s felon boyfriend the same vote as you, as if his opinion on how society should function is equally as valid and meaningful as yours and mine.

Madness

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

It can work on a small scale like a town – where people know they are talking about their own taxes, nobody else’s. Also works for a while with limited suffrage – i.e. only men who have done their military service honorably or paid a certain amount of taxes allowed to vote.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Drake
30 days ago

“only men who have done their military service honorably”

Absent actual physical invasion, people who sign up to murder strangers for politicians should be disenfranchised for life,

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Bilejones
30 days ago

Exactly this.
The requirements need to be 21 years old, married with children and own a house at least 51% paid off before you can vote or hold office.
On top of that if you move to a new country you lose the franchise for a year and a new state five.
Throw in precinct style voting that heavily favors smaller towns and you’ll fix most of the problems outright.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

My ancestors come from the Mediterranean as well. My grandfather, who was third generation here, made the point that any descendants from that region worth a damn were from the families that got out during the Ellis Island days. He could not stand those in the present day who were from the old country, nor did he care to be associated with those who had been here for 50 years but still acted like they were fresh of boat. Looking at the present state of that region, he was not wrong.

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Valley Lurker
30 days ago

If my grandfather uttered a word in Italian, and mind you he was born there and was his first language, my grandmother would chastise him loudly “You are in America now, speak English.”

Different era.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Because his grandmother realized that America was a unique, special nation for a reason, and that her family was lucky to be a part of it.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

Same reason I get physically sick, based on where I live, when I hear families speaking Spanish and looking at me like I need to learn it, which is typical.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

My husband’s maternal ancestors were Italian (his great-grandparents immigrated in the 1880s) and while his grandparents may have understood Italian, his mother and her siblings never learned a word. I manage to translate the old records well enough (a bit of high school Spanish and college Latin) but now we both wish we knew the language.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Falcone
30 days ago

people who can barely manage a checkbook

It’s so bad out there most Ameritards can barely get through the checkout line anymore.

Even the ones with a teller.