The Age Of Covidian

Note: I have a new post up behind the green door on the fourth season of the television series Fargo. I suspect it will be my last post on the series.


An old Ronald Reagan joke from the 1980’s was that the closest thing to immortality was a government program. The first time he said it was in his 1964 speech, A Time for Choosing and it was not intended as a joke. By the 1980’s he had mellowed and the line was so obviously true it made a great punchline. In one of life’s great ironies, the conservative movement actually proved the maxim correct, by never cutting a single program in their time in control of government.

It is a good thing to keep in mind when thinking about the end game for the Covid-19 panic that is entering the ninth month, depending upon who is counting. The great and the good are telling us the prophesied second wave is upon us. Britain is back in lock down, even though all the evidence says it does not work. The Welsh are banned from buying clothes and snacks. The Scots saw their pubs closed. It’s all a big drama to prove that the prophesy was true.

You’ll note in all of this that the thing driving it is the health care industry complex and the army of armchair generals it has spawned. The politicians are simply responding to what the self-proclaimed experts have said. The fact that these experts have been wrong at every turn does not matter. In a modern liberal democracy, expertise is not about factual accuracy or respect earned through hard experience. It is having the right credentials and, most important, having the right friends in government.

There is another old-time expression that applies in this Covid drama. This one is from Eric Hoffer. “What starts out here as a mass movement ends up as a racket, a cult, or a corporation.” In the case of Covid, the panic is becoming all three. It has turned into a mystery cult for many, a jobs racket for others and a money maker for global capital, which has not allowed this crisis go to waste. Rather than a plague from the gods, Covid-19 is manna from heaven for the ruling class.

The cult side of it obvious now. The Covidians are the next turn of the wheel for the people we used to call Gaia worshipers. The whole “earth is about to burn or freeze because you refuse to walk to work” stuff never really worked as hoped. They could inflict small miseries on people, like the use of grimy canvas sacks to tote groceries home, but the cult could be safely ignored. It was also becoming a bit of joke, like being a vegan or a libertarian.

The Church of Covid is a real breakthrough for the sorts of people who need the rest of us to believe they are sacrificing for society. They get to decorate themselves like Star Bellied Sneetches with their masks and endless hand rubbing. Even better, they get to be public scolds, telling the rest of us to be safe. The best part is they get to push people around for their lack of enthusiasm for the rules. In fact, that is quickly becoming an official government position.

The communists were fond of inserting ideological enforcers into the nooks and crannies of life, to keep the rank and file in line. It was a weird admission that most people really did not believe the nonsense from the party, but people would go along with it if they thought they were being watched. Today’s ideological enforcers will be dressed up like surgeons, prowling the streets looking for anyone not sufficiently enthusiastic for the Church of Covid.

Of course, this brings us back to that old maxim about government. All of these people making money from state enforcement of Covid laws are not going to kill the job by calling off the panic. You see, Covid will be with us forever and you will be required to cover your face forever. The same people who say Amy Coney Barrett will force women to wear cloaks in public are demanding everyone cover their face in public. No one will ever accuse the Covidians of being sophisticated.

This brings us to the business side of things. For global capital and government dependent industries, Covid promises nothing but boom times. Small business has been eliminated in much of the country due to the lock downs. Those that have not be crushed will be forced to comply with a thicket of Covid rules. After all, we’re all in this together and regulatory capture is just the price we must pay to be safe.

The public health excuse has allowed the tech firms to justify their takeover of the public space. The popular YouTuber, Paul Ramsey, was suspended for questioning the one true faith. Even mild criticism of official policy is now forbidden on-line. The tech oligarchs have quickly moved from suppressing “disinformation” to crushing even mild dissent from orthodoxy. More important, censorship on-line by anonymous and unaccountable commissars is now completely normal.

This normalization of censorship has been a long-term goal of the tech oligarchs and the Church of Covid now legitimizes it. Another goal of our oligarchs has been to force science to comply with their beliefs. They gained some ground with the Gaia stuff, but Covid is proving to be the kill shot. Researchers are learning that even mild questioning of these bizarre edicts is forbidden. These researchers should investigate a career in food service, as their science careers are now done.

In retrospect, fear of carbon taxes and green initiatives seems kind of quaint compared to what has quickly become the norm in the Age of Covidian. Toting around grimy canvas sacks seems pretty nice compared to masks. Just as facts and observation had no effect on the Gaia worshipers, facts and reason will have no impact on the Covidians, so it means this will be with us until they find a new fear. We’re all Covidians now, whether we like it or not. It the religion of our rulers.

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Moe Noname
Moe Noname
1 month ago

“It is the religion of our rulers.”

It is great to start my day with your morning musings, but man, the truth really hurts.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Moe Noname
1 month ago

They can’t even say it’s the science with a straight face anymore. There’s a Danish mask study journals are refusing to publish because it shows masks are useless.
Think the reproducibility crisis is bad for scientific legitimacy, wait until the suppressed research crisis gets going.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

Uh, Zman included this exact story in the last link in the column.

The suppressed research crisis will never happen. Big Tech has already smothered it in the crib.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

Big tech is busy agonizing over the fact that Machine Learning and AI are racist for identifying simple patterns.

billrla
Member
Reply to  BadThinker
1 month ago

BadThinker: The AI algorithms must be dumbed down to prevent AI from reaching the wrong conclusions.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  billrla
1 month ago

Pretty funny actually when you think about it a little. If you go back to the mid 80’s – everybody was worried that AI would bring us Skynet.

Now it appears that the AI algorithms will be manipulated until it comes to the conclusion that there’s no scientific reason there couldn’t 20 genders.

The human species won’t be wiped out by sentient robots – it will be wiped out because it won’t be allowed to stick it’s collective dick into the correct hole any more because otherwise the LGBTQRSTUV crowd will get offended.

Mikep
Mikep
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

The mask is the badge of the right thinker, not wearing one in public is now haram.

Alfred Doolittle Leftist Whisperer
Alfred Doolittle Leftist Whisperer
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

Just trying to understand, why is the image of Von Stroheim, every lefty’s nightmare? Are you saying Lefty’s are all anti-Dentite’s? Von Stroheim is clearly a Dentite to all but Helen Keller.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963

He looks like a hard ass nazi, that’s why. You won’t get the same effect by using some white fat ass with a neck beard or some nerdy DR type.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Moe Noname
1 month ago

A California priest brought suit against governor Newsome for infringing on his right to hold mass. He is from a Catholic priestly order despised by the Vatican. I’ve heard the man give sermons in person: he speaks like a mild mannered theologian but has the heart of a lion. Anyway, his mother church in Arcadia was immediately placed under constant surveillance after filing the lawsuit. Health agents jumping out of bushes scaring old women in hair veils with an “ah ha!” as they exit the church. Meanwhile Los Angelenos were encouraged to celebrate some basketball thing in the streets a… Read more »

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

They are not masks, they are muzzles and majority of Americans have muzzled themselves voluntarily.

Tirel
Tirel
Member
Reply to  Anna
1 month ago

Its as if Americans, indeed all the West, has been waiting for something, something they could not put their finger on until….Ah! We all wear masks! THATS what we’ve been waiting for! Masks, masks for everyone, everywhere!
An ancestor of mine fought in the Revolutionary War. Is this what he risked treason for?

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Tirel
30 days ago

An ancestor of mine fought in the Revolutionary War. Is this what he risked treason for?

If the Left is to be believed, yes. Actually, the Left believes that the American Revolution was a mistake – a HUGE MISTAKE! They believe that all modern ills stem from a surfeit of liberty – for the masses, at least – and that the best solution would be a nice – benevolent – dictatorship/despotism with themselves at the top dictating to and sponging off of the masses.

Tirel
Tirel
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

Lets stop paying taxes

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Moe Noname
1 month ago

I dunno. I think anti-white racism is still the religion of our rulers, but Covidianism is indeed promising upstart. Kind of like Mormonism.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Moe Noname
1 month ago

I’ll be interested in how long this new religion holds. While I would never dare to question the wisdom or the holiness of our beloved rulers… they have, in effect – made a lot of small business impossible. I read somewhere that in one of the big shitlib cities, 41% of black owned businesses went under and closed.
I suppose, by their reasoning… the proper thing to do next will be to exempt blacks from the Chinkypox….

jou
jou
1 month ago

no masques will sit on my face

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  jou
1 month ago

The Masque of the Red Death

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 month ago

Actually an extremely relevant story. Poe points up the futility and folly of trying to interdict pestilence and cheat death.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
1 month ago

> Those that have not be crushed will be forced to comply with a thicket of Covid rules.  Went to an auto repair shop a few months back when the mask hysteria was in full force. First thought it was strange there was no sign on the door saying masks required, then walked inside to see none of the guys wearing masks, or even acknowledging that Covid was really a thing. It was like walking into a time capsule from a year ago. On the other hand, a gym in my area was forcibly closed after defiantly staying open after… Read more »

onezeno
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

The theme seems to be that as long as you do not embarrass the people who think they’re in charge, you can go about business as usual.

Sounds like they are really the ones in charge, then.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  onezeno
1 month ago

Most of them are just clueless performers of dirty work for their masters, while often having no idea that they even have master.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Hun
30 days ago

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
PAY the man!

miforest
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

that is very optimistic. The mechanic’s place is just lucky. once the regulators find out they will be closed down.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

The government isn’t omnipotent, and can only control society at the margin. Shutting down sources of tax revenue is generally a stupid way to run a policy, and there are very hard limits to it’s efficacy. The government can do it as a one-off, but it cannot do it to the majority for what should be very obvious reasons. It’s akin to burning up a foundation board when you discover termites. You can do it to one board, or even a couple boards, but if you do it to every board, you’re not going to have a house.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

Shutting down sources of tax revenue”, akin to “the US can’t keep going into debt.”

These are true- unless a Great Reset is being planned.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Alzaebo
30 days ago

Ok, but planned is not equal to executed. Again, there are limits to what the government can accomplish. It’s not some unstoppable juggernaut that can steamroll and micromanage people however it wants. There are a lot of toppled regimes (and empires) that can attest to the limits of power and the general futility of trying to impose deeply unpopular rules on people.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Drew
30 days ago

dude , have you seen the last 8 months , the execution is going well beyond their wildest dreams.

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Drew
30 days ago

The state controlled media pointed at a low IQ irreligious culturally impoverished mocha population makes the unpopular popular

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Drew
30 days ago

Shutting down sources of tax revenue is generally a stupid way to run a policy

You will never go broke betting on the stupidity of Leftist policy makers.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

And they will find out thanks to some busybody Karen twat who will gleefully rat them out. Just check out your local “next door” site – nothing but Karen & Ken covidians. Religious zealotry at its finest and scariest.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

This is how they do it in Latin countries. The rules are there, but nobody gives a shit. Not sure how well that will work with a people filled with Karens and Cucks though.

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  BadThinker
1 month ago

C.F Lawlessness and Latin America California banned fireworks displays this year so mostly Latino population lit up the entire sky anyway with surprisingly few injuries or fires. It was awesome and beautiful and damned American too. Once law and order breaks down a bit more , Karens and Cucks will risk an encounter with masked guys with pipes or bats or worse for mouthing off as is common in the 3rd world, they’ll shut up. They really only operate because our legal system works after a fashion. Its on short time now. OB reminder not to do stupid illegal things… Read more »

Member
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

I’m starting to believe that the Covid hysteria is the straw that will break the American Camel’s back. It’s becoming more and more clear that a large portion of the population will NEVER let go of the Mask of Virtue. It’s too useful to them as a uniform. At the same time, there are those, like me, who will never tire of wanting the things gone forever. So there’s the division right there and there’s your Blue uniform and there’s your Grey one. The legal system is the Maskies weakness. Once it’s gone or corrupted there’s nothing protecting them from… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  pozymandias
1 month ago

Latinos around my area seem OK with masks. I think it carries outlaw chic myself.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

Without the bully boy cops backing up the Karens and cucks they’d be bloody pulps on the asphalt by now.
The cops are the biggest enablers of Covid and have shown us they are our enemy. They don’t lift a finger against rioters and thugs anymore. But god help you if you nail a BLM or antifa goon, they will roll on you.

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

At my trusted auto repair shop there is a sign on the entrance door:

“We are required by the state health authorities to enforce mask wearing among customers, with certain exceptions. If you do not wear a mask, we will assume that you have a medical condition that prevents you from wearing one.”

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
1 month ago

I still know only 2 people who got it, and nobody who died from it. And I know a lot of people.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

I finally met someone last month who had it. Dude’s part of my riding group and went AWOL for three months. He didn’t want to spread it us and also didn’t want to scare us by telling us he had the COVID. We all like the guy and going silent was worse, but that’s old-school Japanese stoicism for you.

Sandmich
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

A couple of relations got deathly ill, one was out of work for weeks; but alas, both tested negative for the WuFlu, meaning that they’d gotten sick from something else.
Beyond that, a former coworker was laid up in the hospital for a few days with what was purported to be Covid. He’s been a half a burrito away from the grave for twenty years, and the fact that he walked out the hospital in good health (for him) only made the virus hype look worse to me.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

Someone I work with has been in full blown panic since this began, largely I believe to the influence of his hysterical wife. In any event, he was delighted to let everyone know he finally knew someone who died from it. He used it as an excuse to scold everyone and move conferences & appointments all under the rationale of “I know someone who got it, I do not want to wind up like them, how dare you question me.” She was 96 and had Alzheimer’s and was in a home. But “COVID” was how she was listed so how… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Valley Lurker
1 month ago

Yes. I know a C U Next Tuesday just like this. All to eager to remind us of the ‘real’ threat posed by COVID.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 month ago

“C U Next Tuesday”. Love it.

Mikep
Mikep
Reply to  Valley Lurker
1 month ago

As the average life expectancy is about 82ish for women you could conclude that covid added about 13 years to her life and suggest that he tries catching it on purpose.

Member
Reply to  Valley Lurker
1 month ago

A lot of the people who died from “Covid”, whether it was really that or something else, were in the kind of condition where “strong breeze” could have been listed as the cause of death instead.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  pozymandias
1 month ago

No doubt! Your comment made me realize I do know a flip side as well, a man whose late 80s grandmother died and was classified this way and he let everyone know it was bullshit, etc. But he wasn’t the kind to thrive on the attention/ religious ecstasy it would bring him.

Last edited 1 month ago by Valley Lurker
Bilejones
Member
Reply to  pozymandias
1 month ago

The number from the CDC is that only 6% of those dying from covid didn’t have at least one “comorbidity”. Those listed as dying from it include the guy who died after he wrecked his bike one week after testing positive.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

I am aware of a relative-several-times-removed-via marriage that died in NYC. Older and multiple comorbidities. I have also had several distant relatives in the past years die of respiratory illness of some sort. These deaths are not new, they’re just ‘scarier’ now that people have a evil spirit to blame: the demon Covid got ’em!

Hun
Hun
Reply to  BadThinker
1 month ago

The real evil spirit is social media. Just like people feel they “know” celebrities, they also feel that they know the alleged victims of Covid mentioned on Twitter or Facebook.

When your Facebook “friend”, whom you only know from playing Farmville 2, shares a status about a friend of a friend that was hospitalized with Covid, you feel like you have a connection to that case and hence you “know” someone who has Covid complications.

Last edited 1 month ago by Hun
BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Hun
1 month ago

Yes – Social Media highjacks our Dunbar Number.

KHS71
KHS71
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

My wife had it. Nothing spectacular. I call it the glorified creeping crud. Had body aches and pains for about 6 hours, a hacking cought for about 2 days, and then a high temperature (102 max) which she took Ibuprofen to combat for about 2 days. She’s fine now. Worst has passed. She’s 67 but no underlying conditions. We don’t know where she got it, maybe from the pumpkin patch she took the grandkids that I did not go. I have no symptoms.

Member
Reply to  KHS71
1 month ago

The Great Pumpkin claims another victim!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  pozymandias
1 month ago

I don’t know about you, Pozy, but this Halloween I’m sitting in the Kovid patch waiting for the Great Kovid to arrive. Each year, from here on out, the Great Kovid will dispense victimhood and minor celebrity status to all the good little Karens and Kucks.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

I know some folks who got it too. Its basically flu+ not a doomsday plague. Assuming Cali stats are accurate its about 2.5% fatal killing mostly people with compromised immune system or bad respiratory systems. Its apparently racists too as it kills Blacks and Latinos at a higher percentage under the same circumstances. maybe if we call it a bigot and a hater and cancel it it will go away eh? OK seriously , it is nasty but not super deadly. The thing beyond the power grab and the crazy is the PTB’s reaction is also tempered by the fact… Read more »

Member
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

They’re probably also worried that if it’s like everything else it kills more poor Latins and blacks than wealthier ones. It’s always been the poorer POCs that are the most reliable demographic for Dems. There’s also the simple fact that any infectious disease is going be worse in urban areas than rural ones and this slightly shifts the population balance back towards the latter.

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

I had it, if the tests are to be believed. Day and a half of very mild fever and some accompanying fatigue. Kind of like a less bad flu without the nasty vomiting and such. By the third day could function normally without complaint and was working out heavy again by day four.

Know second hand of someone that actually died… friends mother, cancer patient, 96 and in a nursing home.

It’s literally just the flu, bro.

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Drew
Drew
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

I’ve known a couple dozen people who had it (including an 80+ year-old man with a heart condition who got after getting stents, followed by getting pneumonia), but I don’t know anyone who died from it. The hysteria just doesn’t match my lived experience, that’s for sure.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

I like this. “Lived experience” & “your truth” need to become buzz words mockingly for our side with this.

Based5.0
Based5.0
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

My aunt lives in a nursing home. She’s 84, overweight, with diabetes and a pacemaker. She tested positive. They moved her to the temporary Covid quarantine wing for 10 days. She never had a symptom. Completely asymptomatic the whole time. The only thing that I can figure is that she never smoked and never had any lung problems like asthma.

Au Jus
Au Jus
Member
Reply to  Based5.0
30 days ago

My mother is in exactly the same position right now. She’s in a nursing home, overweight, type two diabetic, and has basically been chair bound for 10 years. along with three other residents she took the positive. They moved them all into this isolation ward. She doesn’t have a phone, everyone that comes into the room looks like they’re f****** Darth Vader. They call me once a day to say she’s fine. I haven’t seen her since March when they canceled all visitation. So all this social distancing, locking down, mask wearing and my nursing home bound mother still gets… Read more »

Last edited 30 days ago by Au Jus
Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

I guess you don’t know many nursing home-bound octogenarians with at least two comorbidities, or morbidly obese diabetics.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

Two here. Both nephews, one a guard in a prison the other one of the sailors on the USS Roosevelt. The agony was real, no going anywhere and watching three movies a day.

Based5.0
Based5.0
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 month ago

The governor here in KY is still doing daily Covid briefings. Today we crossed over 100K Covid positives. There were 14 deaths. The youngest of those was 61 years old. The second youngest was 64. All of the others were over 70. Once a person reaches their allotted “three score and ten,” every subsequent day is a blessing.
It’s just not that dangerous to younger people.

Stargazer
Stargazer
Reply to  Based5.0
30 days ago

Im in KY too. He’s really become a blatant creep with his daily briefings. I haven’t watched one, but I hear in passing what he says. His tone is that of a scorned elementary school substitute teacher, lecturing his students for not paying attention to his wise recommendations. He’s trying really hammer home the number of cases, but he never says how much testing we are doing. I work at state prison, and they make up take rapid tests. Since I had the wuflu, I get a positive hit for the anti-bodies. It counts as a case. The dude is… Read more »

David Wright
Member
1 month ago

That’s why this election really matters because if we re-elect Trump then, well, nothing I guess. It’s the old, the alternative is worse, which it really is. Anywho.

Check out Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forums predictions and plans from 2016. Thanks to Dave Cullen for doing this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSwYs6zB6TI

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

Hell, the Great Reset is on the cover of Time.

The goddamn North Face is pushing this trash:

https://twitter.com/thenorthface/status/1318608960870547461?s=19

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

Wow. That said it all. Thanks for the link, David.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

Well worth the time spent watching. Thanks for the link; I’m passing it on.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

James Corbett has a bunch stuff on this. Some of it goes back a decade.
Any one of the pieces that this search produces is worth a listen while driving.
https://www.corbettreport.com/?s=gates

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TomA
TomA
1 month ago

The faster we get to the bottom, the higher it will be and the sooner we can begin the rebuild. The Covid crazy is intended to set the plebs to fighting among themselves and reduce community trust to zero. This distraction is the fog in which the elites hide and conceal their machinations. But that’s a game that two can play. Masks can neutralize Big Brothers’ omnipresent eye. Hide in the fog and strike from the fog. Oh the irony!

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B124
B124
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

Ironically, it’s decreased community trust but increased family/close friend trust (for us, at least).

I could barely understand our 3rd world servants before, it’s hopeless with masks and plexiglass now.

But increased family trust is very bad for the ruling class especially as whites are now escaping diversity to just be with their families.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

My extended family is broken further apart between the believers and skeptics. It’s upsetting.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  BadThinker
1 month ago

I’m finding sparks of light in the darkness. My wife is probably the most worried out of all the people I know and she at least acknowledges that they’re using this whole thing for nefarious purposes. The wife’s sister – who is a nurse, has come right out and said that the whole vaccine thing is complete and total BS- because by the time the vaccine arrives the disease will have run it’s course and be over. Saw a close friend over the weekend who is a firefighter and he came right out and said he thought the whole thing… Read more »

Member
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

Another side of this mask stuff is that, while it provides semi-anonymity for any maskie willing to do violence (see Antifa/BLM), it also makes it easier for the unmasked to recognize each other. It becomes easier to regard the maskies as non-human NPCs who all look alike.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  pozymandias
1 month ago

Not everyone wearing a mask is Antifa, and it’s best to avoid mobs and riots where you might run into one. Masks are ubiquitous everywhere these days. I’ve been in line at the grocery store and didn’t recognized a neighbor just in front of me. But I also recommend not getting unique tattoos and them leave them exposed. And put a pebble in your shoe when you leave the house.

Last edited 1 month ago by TomA
whitney
Member
1 month ago

I had to go see my doctor the other day and I already knew he was a pod person because we had a zoom appointment a long time ago. He sat down with his mask and his face shield and said do you have any questions for me? I said no because I had already resolved not to engage with him but he couldn’t stop himself it was like he was talking about his new girlfriend he was practically giddy. I pretty much refuse to say anything he never asked me a question about myself I said all I need… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  whitney
1 month ago

the very last thing you said to me was don’t eat in restaurants! so dangerous!

Yes. You may get harassed by BLM or any number of other outfits that form the perpetual stream of anal discharge know as ‘the left’.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  whitney
1 month ago

You know what, I got a hankering for a veggie omelet and bacon today. No bacon at home so what to do? I know, Gino’s special for lunch, Dr. Dave approved!

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

I think it’s a bit naive to believe this will just suddenly go away like the common cold. The Spanish flu pandemic was a problem for over 2-years and the population was smaller and more rural. Not to mention people were not traveling as far or as often as we do today. I’m not saying we need to shut down companies and close schools, I am saying we should at least employ the most basic precautions; wear a mask in public when you go to the store. wash your hands with disinfectant, and allow employees to work home office as… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

I live in an area that just experienced an unusual for October cold snap with very cold temps and snow. You can stand outside in a cloth mask for two minutes and see how little good it does.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Barnard
1 month ago

I prefer the mask vape test:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nBtYO7RElm6L/

Totally effective. Like, totally man.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

This is fantastic. Really all you need is 1:57 and 3:33.

billrla
Member
Reply to  Barnard
1 month ago

Barnard: Hah! You just raised a great point. Masks are going to freeze solid when going outside in freezing weather.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

That’s the part that baffles me with the believers. They say herd immunity and thus a vaccine might not work because Covid seems to change like the flu, i.e. it’s just going to be around. So, I ask what’s the point of all this. If we can’t stop it, if we can at best slow it down which leads to you the same place just a tad later, why don’t we just go back to our normal lives. They say no, it means we must always be vigilant. If we slow it down, we save lives. I ask how. They… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

“How does slowing down the spread of Covid save lives?” I can think of at least two reasons:

  1. Slowing the rates of infection minimizes the acute care caseload. Remember “Flatten the curve”? This is especially important for cases requiring hospitalization and especially ICU, as those are always in limited supply.
  2. A slower, drawn-out pandemic gives more chance for effective treatments to be developed and deployed.

I’d say both of those are pretty important reasons.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Except the hospitals were never overwhelmed. As to your second point, that has some validity. But the question is always “At what cost?” We 100% could save lives (and reduce injuries) by reducing the max speed limit to 45 mph, but we don’t because we’ve decided that it’s too much of a disruption. The question is never as simple as “Should we put in measures to slow the spread so we might save some lives?” That’s a question little kids and women ask. Men ask the question, “What is the cost of putting in measures to slow the spread to… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

There was an argument a short shutdown at the beginning was acceptable until we better understood what the virus would be like, because we couldn’t trust anything coming out of China. There is no excuse now. The cost of any shutdown far exceeds any benefits in lives “saved.”

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

I must disagree with your first comment. Early in the pandemic, hospitals in Italy, Spain, perhaps elsewhere, were in fact horribly unprepared for the initial wave. I agree that — so far — in the USA there hasn’t been such a crisis. But several hospitals have come close to their limits. An important point: at any given time, and especially in a given geographical area, there are only so many regular hospital beds, much fewer ICU beds, and even less ventilators available. Due to cost-containment, all those expensive resources are sized for “normal” times. You can’t just expand those capacities… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Early in the pandemic, hospitals in Italy, Spain, perhaps elsewhere, were in fact horribly unprepared for the initial wave.

Which is why the shut down for the first couple of weeks was likely justified. Lack of knowledge about the severity plus Italy and Spain made a lock down reasonable. But as data came in and hospitals weren’t overwhelmed and patterns began to emerge, we should have changed course. We’re nine months in and people act like we haven’t learned anything.

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

The Big Media-Government Complex protects us from learning anything based on Covid facts and experience. Its word is the word. Americans mustn’t get ideas above their station.

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3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

You really are a total waste of time, space, and oxygen. Z could use a “commenters to skip” feature like Unz has.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

I’ll second that. As with TDS, there seems to be CDS (COVID derangement syndrome).

With CDS, One seems to catch this syndrome and it’s first affect is that you cease to learn and adapt your behavior as the body of knowledge expands. You are stuck, frozen in time so to speak, however you are not prevented from sharing your antiquated understanding with others—indeed, it seems you feel encouraged to share your misunderstand.

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Mockingbird
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

Thanks, 3g4me, I had never noticed the “commenters to skip” feature on Unz.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Ben, you are spouting, old, discredited information. Stop it. I’ll illustrate one example of you tired old/incorrect ranting—ventilator shortage. In short, there is none and never was! Early on there was fear of ventilator shortage. Perhaps there even was in a second rate country like Italy. But in the US that never happened, as I told you the national stock pile was there as a back stop and our production abilities for more ready and able to produce. NYC was allocated from stock and they never ran out. I not even sure the utilized their (NYC) own stock pile 100%.… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

How do we balance the presumed benefits…”

By shutting down or restricting all travel, of course.

Even more jobs– border inspectors!!

(The African told me one needs two weeks to get approval to travel out of town in his country. Can’t remember which country has Ahamsa, Oromo, Trigani.)

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

See: “iatrogenic risk.” Sometimes, doing nothing is less harmful than doing something stupid.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

Hospitals have been overwhelmed with regular seasonal flu in the past. They were never overwhelmed with this. Thinking they might be could have been good policy but the way they went about it was awful.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  BadThinker
1 month ago

COVID shows that the emperor has no clothes and that simple Flu + can crush the health care system no matter how its configured. IMO here. Frankly other than the bug people , most folks are starting to realize that the State as configured can’t even help create conditions worth living in and that corporations can’t do it either. And while we don’t get any news in the US, lock-down riots are breaking out all over in Europe. People are pissed. No wonder the elite are acting crazy, everyone knows how bad they are and its going to slowly move… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

Ben has been lectured repeated wrt cost/benefit analysis, but never attempts such. It’s a waste of breath to discuss such with him—even though such figures are now readily available if you take the time to look.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

neither of those is true. Our hospitals were CLOSED DOWN for 3 months for covid. they are full of people who didn’t get treatment then. the number of covid patients in IUC is near zero at the large hospital in an urban area that a family member of mine works in. they are an ICU nurse. sorry, but the media is lying to you.

Member
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

I would be watching for a rise in the overall death rate from all causes starting in April and probably peaking a around now or the first of the year. The reason? All those people with serious but treatable conditions who didn’t get their treatments and are now doomed.

If we had honest people studying public health or epidemiology they would probably eventually conclude that the response to Covid killed more people than it saved. There probably are such people but they are keeping quiet to keep their jobs or just being ignored.

Au Jus
Au Jus
Member
Reply to  pozymandias
30 days ago

Our hospital actually had to create a commercial that counseled people who are having chest pain or stroke like symptoms that it’s okay to actually come into the hospital. Because what they found is that people were delaying coming in for treatment. Once they had their third STEMI die in the ED they figured the commercial might help.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

No, Ben is lying to us. He has been intellectually lazy. The data is there and he refuses to investigate such—but does not spare us his ignorance.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

The medical brother, a nurse and nurse educator, cannot find a job.
Nurses etc are being furloughed or laid off everywhere.

Au Jus
Au Jus
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
30 days ago

This is my wife and I right now. Executive and cardiology NP.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

The media? LIE?! Pshaw…

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

… the large hospital in an urban area that a family member of mine works in. they are an ICU nurse.

Who is “they”? Does your family member not have any particular sex? A split personality? An identical twin that he or she trades shifts with?

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Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

You can add to your reasons that it saves unicorn lives and tickles the fancy of the leprechauns, because it is all complete horse shiesse.

Mikep
Mikep
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Except that all these measures come with costs, and not just economic costs but lost appointments and missed treatments for a whole host of medical conditions many of which are more serious than Covid19.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Mikep
1 month ago

Are there any widely publicized counts of how many dead from lack of health care and skipped treatment, surgeries, etc?

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

ICU’s are *not always* in limited supply. They can be increased and/or cases balanced among hospitals. As shown in the previous spike, the military has capacity to increase hospital beds quickly on demand. And as was shown in the previous spike, the worse areas *never* ran out of beds! All we had for our efforts in NYC, was an empty hospital ship (USS Hope) and an empty 1000 bed Jacob Javits Center. ICU’s—even in good years (pre-Covid)—run seasonally into the 90%+. It’s good business to keep an expensive utility fully operational and generating income. Here, the local contrarians looked up… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

The increased suicide, drug and alcohol deaths far outnumber those you theoretically save.

Based5.0
Based5.0
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Except that we’ve done that. The hospitals got a crash course in treatment back in March- April. New techniques and therapies were developed and they have a much better record for treatment now.

Au Jus
Au Jus
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
30 days ago

The hospital my wife and I worked at was so underwhelmed with covid pts that hundreds were laid off, including the two of us. Due to canceling all elective surgeries and procedures the hospital lost 40 million dollars in the month of May.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

Little known fact: mumps, measles, rubella, (leprosy and polio), had all experienced a 97% decline before mass inoculation began in 1965.

(Electricity, running fresh water, and water treatment had done the trick.)

A miracle vaccine will end up simply being a second flu shot. A guess with a lot of hits and misses, as well as unacknowledged deaths and spread from the shot itself. These are weakened but live viruses, after all.

It’s those bi-annual boosters, 2nd and 3rd and 72nd additions, tests, mandates, certifications, and audits that weigh heavily.

But imagine the jobs!

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theforgottenman
theforgottenman
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 month ago

As I always say, your neighbourhood plumber has saved a 100 times more lives than your local MD.

Raslip Mugfrid
Raslip Mugfrid
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

Hell, people were still living normal lives for centuries when tuberculosis used to be a death sentence. Like Peter Hitchens says, We really do sanitize our mortality too much

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

The best we can can do is sanitation and normal cleanliness. Which we are quickly losing as we invite the third world into the USA.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

I agree. You do not have to minimize the seriousness of the disease to recognize that the establishment is using it as an excuse to further their social, financial and political aims.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

Yes. I was unclear. The disease is deadly to those with certain vulnerabilities and possibly the elderly. But the establishment has propagandized us into thinking it is deadly for all.

Moss
Member
Reply to  MikeCLT
1 month ago

Personally, I’m way more concerned with personal airbags while showering. Bathrooms are dangerous!

Kentucky Headhunter
Kentucky Headhunter
Reply to  Moss
1 month ago

Why is the water sooo wet???
There oughta be a law, I tells ya!

Moss
Member
Reply to  Kentucky Headhunter
1 month ago

And smooth fiberglass tub inserts? Damn capitalist exploiting the friction-challenged! I’m calling my senator.
Did you know there is no floor tile regulations for surface textures in wet spaces? The federal government doesn’t even have a department to address this! Travesty!

Mockingbird
Reply to  Moss
1 month ago
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Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Moss
1 month ago

Wait until they find out I still have asbestos floor tiles in my house.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

And exactly what aims are they furthering? We all know how you hate being told what to do. When asked to put on a mask in public, you jump to the conclusion they’ll soon start rounding you up in box cars and haul you off to FEMA camps.. I’m sure you all cringe every time you have to get in a car built after 1968 since they now all have mandatory (gasp) seat belts! Oh the horror of being restrained against your will in your own personal vehicle!! How do you live with it? Here in Europe, we’ve figured out… Read more »

James O'Meara
James O'Meara
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

I always thought Sweden was in Europe.

Member
Reply to  James O'Meara
1 month ago

Sweden is being phased out. It was useful for a while to have a place where socialism (sort of) worked but these days it’s just an example of the failure of mass immigration and its lack of heavy handed Covid measures suggests that it may no longer be the Big Government paradise we’ve all been told. So please cease all references to this mythical country.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

It seems that pattern recognition has been bred out of the Deutsche. Required (or forbidden) public garb is a time-honored tactic of societal control for the hard left (and the right in a certain country via the Nuremberg laws). E.g., people who wore hats (as opposed to worker’s caps) in 1937 Madrid would be shot on sight, banning of crucifixes in 1920’s Mexico, etc. The reason is that the daily, self-enforced act of subjugation deadens the spirit and kills the mind. Remember, THEY WANT YOU DEAD. Assuming good intentions is just assinine at this point.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Karl, you’ve made some decent comments in the past. I’ve tried to look at certain things from the European perspective, cut you some slack. But there is no middle ground with this idiocy. You’ve jumped the damned humpback whale. I DON’T WANT TO BE PROTECTED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

People with nursery school mentalities want somebody to protect them. Alas, the developmentally retarded seem to be all around us.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

I find it supremely ironic that a German is lecturing Americans about the probability of boxcars carting people off to camps. Will history record that there weren’t six gorillion COVID deaths because we obeyed the “directives” to wear our masks and socially distance? The more rabid Covidians want deaths. If the virus won’t deliver them then enforcing the directives must.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Maus
1 month ago

Also forgotten is that “they” themselves proposed the yellow star as a sign of protected status and compliance, a kind of HealthPass.

The owners of the media believe their own bullshit. This is why their fantasies and inversions look like conspiracies- because “boxcars” are another something they want to do “back” to us.

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Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

The reason CA has no bans on shitting in public (enforced, at least) is because the government has decided they do not mind. Why would I trust the opinion of those who do not care about an actual health hazard, now telling me I have to wear a mask for the angry flu? Its almost like they have other motivations in play perhaps or are not actually qualified to render such opinions.

James O'Meara
James O'Meara
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Ja, ve haff ze laws to make everyone gut! And eef anyting go wrong, we can haff the American schweinhunds rescue us from our own government again, ja?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

New Zealand now has government-built Beer Flu camps:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/victor-davis-hanson-new-zealand-coronavirus-camps

You were saying?

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

For me, I see it as the government demanding that I wear a mask to both protect myself and others. In short, I am involuntarily made servant (slave?) to my fellow Man without my consent. The precedent set is a dangerous one. But of course, most Europeans I guess are not of that opinion—subservience having been bred into them.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Go read Martin Armstrong.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

“…rounding you up…”

New Zealand has lost 25 people since this began. Twenty-five.

Empress Jacinta has now created quarantine camps. If you refuse to test, you go in for a second 14-day quarantine– until you submit. No appeals.

Herzog
Herzog
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 month ago

As a German, I just wish Karl Horst were Swiss.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

It’s not that they’re trying to take our freedom away, they’re just trying to protect the public from something that is quite harmful, and has long term effects.

We are still removing our shoes at airports a generation after some dimwitted British Muslim tried to blow up a plane with his sneakers. The State assures us, though, because no dimwitted British Muslim has taken down a plane by igniting his shoes this small intrusion has been worth it!

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

This doesn’t deserve down-votes since it vigorously illustrates the difference between European dissidents and American ones, IMU European Dissidents are mostly anti immigration, keep Europe European or even outright Nativist (Keep Germany German) with some pro fertility reforms but otherwise favor the big state so common in crowded areas, The DR in America in America is highly anti government and many of its memebers do not belive it can be reformed even with our guys in charge. I’d argue most DR don’t trust anyone with power and want to diminish available authority They want it gone down to a size… Read more »

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

Most DR types seem to be hoping for a Pinochet style dictator to come to their rescue. It’s kind of creepy that the DR folk would welcome a dictator into power who just as easily cart their asses off to the local incinerator for processing,.
As long as the DR has no real manifesto or set of beliefs, goals, etc. It’s going to attract a lot of anachist/authoritarian types.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Rwc1963
30 days ago

Modernity is extremely complex and requires a firm hand to avoid turning into hell. Given that most of us think that democracy and the republic are part of the problem not the solution, its no wonder that we crave an authoritarian state. Historically Right Wing authoritarian states are decent places to live for regular people. Sure Antifa types or Reds end up with helicopter rides or worse but Joe Q Citizens and especially Right Wing people thrive. Lastly a lot of do not think anything but a strong dictator can restore patriarchy and that is a nigh mandatory component of… Read more »

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Rwc1963
30 days ago

The left has been grooming us to accept a left wing dictator for years. We’re in the process of seeing this transformation completed, especially if they do succeed in court packing. If that does work, even the thin veil of democracy is gone.
Further Egalitarianism is not going to defeat a left-wing dictator. This is not 1776, where it may have been possible to exist under the eyes of the state. A left-wing dictator can only be met fairly by a right-wing counter part. Lots here seem to understand this.

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Valley Lurker
30 days ago

The fear of power and authority permeates a lot of the Right.
That needs to stop and power as a positive value needs to be embraced.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  MikeCLT
1 month ago

THE disease. THE virus. Reminds me of when I first met real New Yorkers in college and they talked about THE city. Definite articles seem to comfort stupid people – something about limiting thought patterns by limiting language patterns. Gee, what a new idea.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

I’ve noticed that the common admonition from the Covidians is “#wearthemask.

James O'Meara
James O'Meara
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

I prefer “muh virus!” and “muh vaccine!”

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

I think it’s a bit naive to believe this will just suddenly go away like the common cold.  Nobody thinks it will go away. What us heretics think, is that the population will get immune and C-19 will be just another one among dozens of endemic viruses that sometimes give you the sniffles and off a few derelict geezers every year – indeed like the common cold. Your own Mayo clinic has stated that after effects of being infected with CV-19 include: “Other organs affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. CV-19 can also weaken blood vessels,… Read more »

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ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

I’d rather die 10 years before my time than live the rest of my life in fear, with my every action dictated to me by petty tyrants.

Living in fear is not living at all. I’ll take my chances with a mostly non-lethal virus.

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Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Like 99% of the population, I got the “normal” flu every year. But after a few days of feeling poorly and then recovering, I never had any long lasting effects.

CV-19 is not your average flu bug. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

But after a few days of feeling poorly and then recovering, I never had any long lasting effects.

And 99% of C-19 victims don’t get any lasting effects, most of them don’t get symptoms at all.

CV-19 is not your average flu bug.

Close enough.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

I detect, as with Ben, Karl is another victim of CDS—Covid Derangement Syndrome. That is probably another “long lasting effect” of Covid, and you don’t even need to contract the virus.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

An illness that doesn’t make you sick.
But it might get Karen! If you haven’t already infected her with racism!

Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

How exactly do you define “close enough”? The average flu death count in the US is about 20k. Covid-19 has already killed 10 times the standard flu, and it has yet to infect half the population. “Close enough” seems to mean “I’m inconvenienced slightly, so let me dismiss something that doesn’t affect me personally.” Conservatives always fall into that trap. Stem-cell research is bad cuz I don’t need it. War is okay because it doesn’t affect me. Covid-19 doesn’t exist because I want a hamburger. When Trump goes down in flames next week, it will be this side of the… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

Flu deaths are 20K in a good year. Typical average is closer to twice that. Once or twice a decade, we get approach 100k. But neither stat is relevant to the issue. CDC published their estimates of the effectiveness of their flu vaccine every year. Google it. Basically 38% is typical. 38%! Covid vaccine is probably not going to be any more effective. Remember, just about every other bad Coronavirus we’ve encountered has been worse (more deadly) than this, and we didn’t get a vaccine for them. Since this Covid Is new (novel) it will need to burn through the… Read more »

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

The flu doesn’t turn the US or Europe or the Anglo Sphere into East Germany and isn’t being used as an excuse for globalist power grab over what is in the real world a few casualties.
Compared to having an economy and a somewhat free society, even the worst case projections are well worth the cost.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

You have absolutely no scientific basis to be making the statement “has yet to infect half the population”. We only know about the cases where people have actually been tested. We do know however that many people show minimal or NO symptoms – so it’s reasonable to assume that there are MANY people who have likely “caught” the virus and done nothing about it – including not been tested. The reality is that NOBODY knows exactly how deeply into the population the virus has gone – without testing EVERYBODY. Which seems to be an effort the TPTB have completely given… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Because it behaves like your average flu bug, it kills those same folks that the average flu bug kills (actually the young even less), and the chart of deaths is shaped very similar to the seasonal flu death chart (seasonal flus sometimes have a ‘second wave’ of deaths, as we see in the USA here’. What drives ‘cases’ is increases in *positive tests* – nothing more.
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last 3 weeks are the dots, CDC doesn’t have all numbers in yet.

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Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  BadThinker
1 month ago

Your average flu doesn’t kill 230k people and produce 300k excess deaths. Nice job of taking a single chart that you don’t understand out of context.

“it kills those same folks that the average flu bug kills”

But waaaaay more of them. And some sick and some young, more than your average flu. But keep that up. “I’m not personally affected so whatever.” The whatever clapback comes next week. Don’t cry when it happens.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

According to your calculations, the price of the lockdowns is a mere 70K deaths. Killing them with kindness.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

Explain “excess deaths” and why you do not include such for the “flu”? Citations to literature would be helpful.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

Oh well, maybe you don’t get this but no one here cares. Our life or that of loved ones will end no matter what we do if not from this bug or a civil war, old age or from something else. We accept that and would rather notlive in fear or tyranny for a little more time. Its not worth it. And note we don’t care what you want either. People who don’t live liberty more than life are unfit to be our countrymen. To borrow part of a Sam Adams quote We ask not your counsels or your arms.… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mickey
30 days ago

The actual Covid death toll is FAR below 230K. Of those 230K deaths, only 6% demonstrably died from Covid.

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Mickey
30 days ago

An eighty year old that wants their grandchildren locked up and their futures ruined… to slightly decrease their own mortality risk… is a very sick individual symptomatic corona or no.

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

I was hospitalized for pneumonia at age 6 in the early 70s. I was susceptible to bouts of wheezing and upper respiratory infections well into my 30s. Should Nixon have stopped the American economy because of my ailment? The type of restrictions being put in place around the World would be justifiable if dead bodies were being stacked like cordwood but that is definitely not the case.

Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  Judge Smails
1 month ago

Should Nixon have stopped the American economy because of my ailment? What a dumb point. Your single ailment is not remotely in the same league as something that has killed 200,000 already. What you and other denialists are really saying is that you’re inconvenienced — evidenced by your endless screeching over trivial mask requirements — so it shouldn’t matter. Conservatives ALWAYS do that. Unless something personally affects them, they don’t care. In the middle of a pandemic, their first concern, however else they’ll deflect from this, is “the economy” — their pocket books, their ability to get a hamburger and… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

Then lets compare apples to apples. Why didn’t the country, and the world, come to a screeching halt for the pandemics of 1957 or 1968? I’ll save you the trouble: because pantywaists like you were in short supply.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

There seems to be more supporting citations from the denialists than you present. Your argument is basically to present gratuitous assertions. And such is adequately refuted with another assertion.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

You’ve got absolutely no basis to your claim that 200,000 have been killed by the Cornholeya virus – unless you want to put up the EXACT specification for how those deaths get attributed to the virus.

There are already copious examples out there showing how deaths attributed to the virus were likely due to something else – but have been ticked off in the Covid column because it brings in funding.
That 200,000 number is HIGHLY suspect.

And that makes anybody who rests their argument on using that number suspect as well.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

None of us are getting out of here alive. These people seem to have missed that lesson.

Alfred Doolittle Leftist Whisperer
Alfred Doolittle Leftist Whisperer
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Just trying to understand, why is the image of Von Stroheim, every lefty’s nightmare? Are you saying Lefty’s are all anti-Dentite’s? Von Stroheim is clearly a Dentite to all but Helen Keller.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo

What?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Stanford just asked the CDC for samples so they can study it.
The CDC has no samples, only a tiny bit of potentially related RNA.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 month ago

Back in July the CDC released a document on how to test for the WuFlu virus.
Get yours here.
https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

On page thirty nine is this stunner
“Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, “

They do not have it.
They then tell you how to fake it so you can test for it.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Sweden still exists. Never locked down, just quarantined the vulnerable and accepted that other people were going to get sick. Now they are laughing at the rest of Europe as they destroy their economies.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

Sweden still exists.

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Sorry. Couldn’t resist. Not even sure this is actually in Sweden but you get the idea.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 month ago

Well, you can’t commit suicide in sacrifice to the New World Order if you are already dead.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

In fact, Sweden treated their geezers atrociously, practically tried to kill them off. The staffs of the retirement homes were ordered by the government to put C-19 cases on palliative care, which is to say give them up for dead already, stop giving them actual medicine and just pump them full of morphine – a drug that suppresses respiration. They were specifically prohibited from giving them oxygen and from sending sick people to a hospital.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

They have a million more people than New Jersey and half the deaths. They need to try harder.

Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

The population density of NYC & New Jersey is far greater than Sweden, so obviously the initial mortality figures will be higher simply because the virus spreads faster there and more easily through vulnerable populations. Further, Sweden doesn’t have the same problem with obesity / general poor health, so it’s an apple to oranges comparison. Those figures by themselves say nothing about the effectiveness of whatever each respective area is doing. Try harder. New Jersey: 1,207.8 people / square mile. America’s most population density state. NYC: 27,013 people per square mile; 70,000 for Manhattan. Sweden: 57.5 people per square mil.… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

Most people in Sweden live in the cities.
Stockholm has a population density of 13,000 per square mile about half that of NYC, more than that of Chicago.
Its plenty enough to show that not locking down is unnecessary.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  abprosper
29 days ago

That is locking down is not necessary. Sorry.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

You are the only source a I’ve heard on this, but I take your word for it as I trust your postings and you are there—almost. However, the point brought up wrt to handling the disease spread via herd immunity efforts seems not to be invalidated by the harsh treatment of oldsters.

No one I’ve read on this blog has ever mentioned de facto euthanasia of the vulnerable, only a focused effort to quarantine them, rather than the entire population in order to in some way protect those vulnerable few.

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

Belarus also exists, albeit a bit precariously because of CIA interference in its governance. Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko recommended field work, a sauna and vodka as the best defense against COVID-19. To my knowledge no mass graves are being dug or funeral pyres of bodies are being built in Minsk.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
1 month ago

Vodka is an excellent remedy for many problems. Though I prefer whisky.

Dicksister
Dicksister
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
1 month ago

That’s what I do (especially the vodka) and I ain’t been sick in years

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

Check your facts – As of Oct. 13, Sweden’s per capita death rate is 58.4 per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University data, 12th highest in the world (not including tiny Andorra and San Marino).

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago
Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

What is it with this denialist crowd and cherry picking? Sweden is about to undergo a lockdown as its covid mortality is the 12th highest in the world, out of more than 150 nations. How exactly do you people think it’s appropriate to compare whole nations to parts of other nations without adjusting for things like population density and health, among other factors? Sweden ‘to start lockdowns’ as it has world’s 12th highest Covid-19 death rateBut according to the Johns Hopkins University, which measures worldwide data on the pandemic, the country now has the 12th highest death rate in the… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

MSN News? Really? In fact, in just the past few days Sweden relaxed restrictions on gathering sizes and encouraged the elderly to stop isolating. Nice try.

Idiot.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

How does anyone think it appropriate to treat people like serfs and restrict their freedoms? Lock yourself inside if you want, but seriously fuck off if you think anyone has the authority to force me to do so

Au Jus
Au Jus
Member
Reply to  Drake
30 days ago

This right here. If You’re worried about covid or anything then stay home. if you have a fear of flying, don’t fly. I’m not going to fuck with you over your decisions. It’s your business even if I think it’s retarded. You have the right to be retarded.

” But but it’s not about me it’s about protecting others!!”. Then protect the vulnerable you know about. Never in history have we locked down healthy people. “But you don’t know who’s healthy!!!” And you never will.

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Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

You believe Hopkins?
Since early October 2018 I have been to 68 (and that’s an undercount) Hokins medical appointments for what was supposed to be six week fix.
It was Hopkins, of course who hosted the pre-covid seminar (attended by the Gates team) on what to do given a convenient corona-virus. The also organized the 2002? or thereabouts “Dark Winter” seminar which is currently being rolled out.
https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/events-archive/2001_dark-winter/about.html

Come the revolution they’ll be among the first into the wood-chipper.

After you, of course.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

Japan too. no lockdowns, no manditory masks, 129 mill people , about 10K deaths.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

And why aren’t masks mandatory in Japan? Because wearing them has been part of their collective culture for decades. They don’t have to be told, they just do it out of respect for each other.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

And yet, Japan gets buffeted by the normal flu just as every other country does.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2019/02/01/Millions-in-Japan-affected-as-flu-outbreak-grips-country/9191549043797/

Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  KGB
1 month ago

Nice cherry picking, as usual for denialists. Flu spread and mortality has been noted as being unusually low in Japan for years. Of course, masks can’t stop the flu, but they can mitigate its spread and reduce mortality compared with nations that do not wear masks. The fact that flu exists in Japan disproves none of that. Study Reveals Mask-Wearers Get Less Sick From CoronavirusGandhi pointed out that in the latest wave of infections in the United States, the more expansive use of masks and coverings could be an important factor for the lower mortality rates. Such trends are apparent… Read more »

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Masks don’t stop virus transmission. The N95 masks only work for about 4 hours and have to be replaced. If cheap paper masks worked USAMRID wouldn’t need level 4 bio containment labs to work with Ebola, Marburg and other nightmarish viruses/ Only the truly ignorant belive the crap being spewed by hysterical female doctors on TV. BTW if you want protection you need P100 respirators which are a serious PITA to wear. You generally only see workers who deal with nasty solvents and paints who wear them. And don’t forget researches have found high virus loads in fecal material and… Read more »

Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

Another bad comparison. Japan is obsessive about wearing facemasks and has been so for many years; masks are indeed mandatory for anyone displaying symptoms of an illness. You know, masks, the thing this website endlessly harps about despite evidence they do indeed work, at least somewhat. Japan is a collectivist country where people are more concerned about the health of the nation-state and fellow citizen (even grandma) than they are about going out to get a hamburger. Thus, that country is filled with conscientious people.who practice social distancing, cancel unnecessary gatherings, obey ordinances, and do things like wear face masks… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

You’re right, masks are for sick people. I’m not sick, so I don’t wear a mask.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

Endless shaming of those who wear masks in public? What planet do you live on? The reality is that non-mask wearers are looked at askance by armies of concern trolls like yourself. I have not once witnessed a mask wearer getting berated by a pack of “denialists” but I sure as hell have seen those without a mask get growled at by spittle-flecked panic mongers like you.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
30 days ago

He’s a typically irrational AWR at war against reality.

DD'sAltRight
DD'sAltRight
Reply to  Mickey
30 days ago

What do you have against people eating hamburgers?

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

You think people would take this pandemic a bit more seriously and do whatever is practical to help minimize transmission in an effort to curtail its spread. For me personally, I travelled out and about during the lockdown. I saw no evidence of the plague that the media was pushing… none at all. This appears to be serious to the usual subset of people – the Diamond Princess case (promptly forgotten) – also indicated how tepid this thing was; again claiming the usual suspects. I have no reason to take this seriously. I also feel no obligation to others to… Read more »

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 month ago

To come near to justifying what’s been done over the last 9 months and into the foreseeable future everyone should have had a previously healthy immediate family member drop dead from this thing. Everyone. But like someone said earlier, I know of no one personally who has died of this. Not one person. Understanding the depths of gullibility of most people is the worst part of this because cowardice and lack of reason have no cure.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Peabody
1 month ago

My aunt has been exclaiming how her 60ish year old brother died of Covid, conveniently omitting the fact he has been on death’s door for two years. Nice lady, but insufferable in her want of attention.
Our life if so uneventful and mundane these morons are trying to will a real crisis into being. These same people will be useless when SHTF becomes a reality.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Peabody
1 month ago

We should have a game like “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon” for Covid. How many people you know who know someone who know someone who died from it. Mine is Herman Cain with probably about ten degrees of separation. I suspect the real reason people have so few examples in their real lives, is because they know firsthand the real cause of death for someone who also had Covid.

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Severian
Reply to  DLS
1 month ago

Exactly.I have friends and family in health care, and none of THEM know anyone who has died of COVID, absent serious comorbidities. They spent the plan-demic being bored stiff. I know of four or five people who have had positive tests; exactly one was symptomatic (he’s a doc who got it very early on). Meanwhile, thanks to stupid regulations I have family members who need to get tested every time someone near them comes down with the sniffles, before they can go back to work. In just my immediate family we’re up to at least seven negative tests now. I’d… Read more »

Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 month ago

“I saw no evidence of the plague that the media was pushing”

“I haven’t seen it myself, therefore it doesn’t exist.”

I seem to recall conservatives laughing at journalists in the 1980s for claiming they couldn’t imagine how Reagan won because they didn’t personally know anyone who voted for him.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mickey
30 days ago

So, you’ve seen piles of dead bodies on the street corners and mass graves? Or, you know other people who have?

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

You think people would take this pandemic a bit more seriously

You mean they should be more reverent. In Catholic schools when kids talked or cut up in mass, the nuns said the kids were being sacrilegious by not taking mass seriously.

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Pursuvant
Pursuvant
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

I guess I should stop washing my hands after defecation, because it ranks equally with covering your face when you cough?

Regardless of all of this being co-opted by those driven by ego alone, basic sanitation is modernity.

Having cancer of my immune system, I thank everyone not to cough on my observations

miforest
Member
Reply to  Pursuvant
1 month ago

Karl, you stay home , but the rest of us need to work and live our lives.

Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

Work is fine. But “live our lives” is just boomer talk for tailgating and getting plastered at your neighborhood NFL party. Let’s not pretend this is anything other than selfish boomer and gen-xer’s who are mad at being inconvenienced and are trying to rationalize some excuse for doing nothing so they can go back to having a good time. This country is doomed. And it’s not all the left’s fault.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

Leftist tool repeating Woke Agitprop

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mickey
30 days ago

Inconvenience. Yes, that’s what it’s all about. Bloody idiot.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Pursuvant
29 days ago

Stay home if you are sick like that, wear a mask if you think it will help but leave the rest of us in peace.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Karl, What is going on in Germany? It is not really reported here but it looks like Germany is experiencing sharp spikes. Why is that? Germany was held up as a model but failed to contain the virus. As soon as they partially opened up they virus surged. What did they fail to do?

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  MikeCLT
1 month ago

We’re seeing spikes in a lot of places in Europe, not just Germany. When this first started back in March and April, Germany imposed a lock down in areas where people congregated; cafes, restaurants, pubs, etc. So for the most part, people were staying home and avoiding social gatherings. Home office was promoted where possible and in shops and stores, plastic barriers were put up on counters and at the check out registers to help minimize contact between workers and the public. Then the summer came and warmer weather naturally brings people back outside. But since our neighbors (France, Spain,… Read more »

Pursuvant
Pursuvant
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

just good basic hygiene.

Yes it is. And if this was ebola? You would duct tape a mask on precious.

But this isn’t that serious, I don’t see pandemic death, just an especially nasty flu, the kind that escapes from a research lab working with the h-spike protein.

So let’s get on with either lots of masks or no masks, either works for me because I have to hide from every flu, every year because comorbidity.

Just don’t drag this out please.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

The use of a mask in an operating theater or dentist’s chair is to prevent spittle from entering a open wound. Get it? An open wound, when you’re standing inches away. And even there, multiple studies have shown that it’s generally not effective and is a practice that could be done away with. Do you have any evidence that the recent rise in positive tests can be attributed to the populations of Europe relaxing their vigilance? Here in the States, mask wearing has reached a religious level of compliance and most of our mask mandates were put in place during… Read more »

Sandmich
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Much like with Globull Warming this mask business is a kernel of truth wrapped up in septic tank full of lies. A local health concern had a post on the science of why masks work, but even they couldn’t polish the lie since the gist of the post was that good masks work in regards in keeping sick people from making other people sick in very disciplined scenarios. In other words, they’re worse than useless for the healthy and poorly disciplined sick people (which, lets be honest, is pretty much everyone when it comes to mask usage and…much else). Link:… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Sandmich
1 month ago

this mask business is a kernel of truth wrapped up in septic tank full of lies.”

That, exactly that.

el-porko
el-porko
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

The statistically proven fact is that rates of hospitalization and death are incredibly low. Higher than Influenza, yes, but 2 or 3 times a really small number is still a really small number. I did a rough calculation for Canada, and determined that your chance of dying from covid if you are less than 50 hrs old is slightly less than being struck by lightning. The number of people under 20yrs old who have died is 2….out of about 9700…..out of a population of 37.8 million. The economic, social, and psychological damage imposed by the authorities over what amounts to… Read more »

B124
B124
Reply to  el-porko
1 month ago

I have a near death experience every time I’m on the 401 lol

Just part of life

KGB
KGB
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

I was in Hogtown a couple years ago, going back to our Mississauga hotel from the Science Center on a Sunday evening at 6PM. It was December so it was dark and the solid stream of lights, red and yellow, across all 16 lanes, as far as the eye could see, was amazing. Dinner time on a Sunday, and the road was packed.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Karl . please go away. this is not the board for you.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

Ah, too much for your narrow mind? Opposite thoughts are so dangerous. Trust me. Germans know about these things.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

So we can expect “covid denialism” to be added to Nazism as subjects that are legally verboten?

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

I found him! He speaks for all of Germany and they all are the same.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Well, if Germans know about such things, they’ll obviously handle their new mask requirements with much enthusiasm and gusto. Americans however have, here-to-fore, not done well with these types of mandates and perhaps because, we’ve not experienced the same modern history as your country.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  CompscI
1 month ago

Some fuck-wit in the local home depot was whinging about my not wearing my mask properly.
He had no answer to the question as to why, if his mask works, he’s concerned about mine.

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Bilejones
30 days ago

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

Let me thank Herr Karl for a bit of contrast.

*****

Edit: “covid denialism”

Score! My gods, a perfect shot!

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Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 month ago

Pretty lame actually. I’m laughing that any boomer would think that was a good point.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

And yet you’ve used the same term at least twice on this very thread. Nice own goal!

Mickey
Mickey
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

It’s a board for boomers who want to screech about the horrors of not being able to tailgate and being forced to wear a surgical mask outside for short periods of time — the humanity of it all!

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Mickey
1 month ago

Yet, for some strange reason, you feel the overwhelming need to grace us with your esteemed presence, eloquence and wit. How honored we are to have you here!

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Mickey
30 days ago

Where is the board for millennial pillow biters competing to be the most publicly craven? Go there

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 month ago

I feel like it’s sort of ungentlemanly if I said I sincerely wish I could somehow punch you right in the mouth. But… given that you sincerely wish to have my family muzzled and my community suppressed in a way that drives masses of my people to poverty and suicidal despair… I actually think I’m showing remarkable restraint and good nature for only such a mild and charitable response. I think it’s time we cultivated some healthy perspective. The left gets everything it wants and even us watch list dissidents still want to sit over tea and crumpets and be… Read more »

sentry
sentry
1 month ago

The Covidians are the next turn of the wheel for the people we used to call Gaia worshipers.

i believe this to be true, globalism is more similar to the bronze age civilizations than the late hellenic era. During that period men were cutting off their balls to become priests and women were worshiping nature and snakes, astrology was rampant, heck, the jewish kaballah(which is promoted by babylonian superstar whores like madonna) might even originate from babylon, israelites are basically the untouchable priestly aristocracy from back then.

Dicksister
Dicksister
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

Hopefully we’ll collapse like the bronze age. Give peopy something real to worry about.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Dicksister
1 month ago

Its already starting which is why the panic is so intense, Not one developed society has fertile citizens which means less and less people to rule and the only people left to bring in are unproductive, violent foreigners who will run there own affairs thank you very much Something will collapse the system, likely starving migrants from the Middle East and Africa serving as the Sea People. If somehow we get through that, the collapse will be catabolic and over a few centuries population will decline to a sustainable level. that of at most 1900. It won’t be nice but… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
1 month ago

In the case of Covid, the panic is becoming all three. It has turned into … a jobs racket for others No doubt. I now count the things that have sprang up near me due to the shamdemic as well as other Covid based make-work. These include: Pop-up cycle lanes demarcated by specially made markers. Road widening for Covid, replete with temporary signage and new road markings. Mass advertising now predominantly using Covid to sell all manner of things. Plastic desk dividers, hand sanitizer and masks – now bought in bulk. Comical ‘one way systems’ found in offices and supermarkets.… Read more »

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
1 month ago

Will the Covidians subsume the Diversity Pagans or will there be two competing churches?

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  MikeCLT
1 month ago

The Pantheon will include both.

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  skeptic16
1 month ago

Agreed, but suspect Diversity Pagans R Us will have the right of way

Severian
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
1 month ago

I think my favorite part is watching the Diversity, especially Joggers, completely ignore the mask mandates, one-way lines, etc. As if it weren’t entirely obvious before now that Knee-grows simply don’t have to obey any laws they don’t feel like obeying, well… there it is.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  MikeCLT
1 month ago

It’s more animism than any sort of church. We must appease the evil spirits floating around!

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
1 month ago

Every day I drive past a rest home with a big sign on the lawn that says “Heroes Work Here.” I can’t remember who said it, but the old saying “Show me someone with heroes and I’ll show you someone in the second grade” comes to mind, as cynical as it is. Besides which, the statement makes no sense, as a heroic act is by definition one that is out of the ordinary, above and beyond the call of duty. You can’t “work” as a hero. But this thing is giving the worst kinds of people the right to behave… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Joey Jünger
1 month ago

Those signs are still on display outside my Aldi. The men that stormed Omaha Beach? They’re no shelf stockers.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

endless hand rubbing.

Even better – the endless hand rubbing can be disguised as endless hand washing.

StanP
StanP
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

Lady Macbeth Syndrome…

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

Was talking with someone last night who mentioned that herd immunity and thus a vaccine wouldn’t work because Covid seems to be changing enough that we lose immunity. So I asked why we have all of these measures in place. If it can’t be stopped, what’s the point. You only slow its progress, you don’t stop it so you might was well just live your life. If we can’t stop it, when will all this end, I asked. They said maybe never. I stared at this person in disbelief. They seemed fine with it. I asked, so I’m supposed to… Read more »

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

These people happily enjoy their bunker down mentality. Finally some meaning in life dealing with a plague that really isn’t one. Effing larpers.

Moss
Member
Reply to  David Wright
1 month ago

Meaning. Generally, the modern population of sheep are afraid of their life having no meaning. Ultimately, they are afraid of death. Covidian Membership is a warm blanket for those cold, biting winds of reality.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Moss
1 month ago

they shoul be in church, jesus can help them more than Gate/Fauchi

B124
B124
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

Modern people do anything to fill the void except turn to God. Drugs, travel, sex, food, just doesn’t cut it. It’s so simple, yet most people reject it. I’m convinced at least half the people at any given church don’t really believe in the God part, they just recognize that it’s the only way out of clown world.

Pursuvant
Pursuvant
Reply to  B124
1 month ago

No one can tell you what God is. Religion can be a great primer, but all the great saints reached a point where they laid down the methodology, and surrendered. They let God take the last step on a journey that never really happened – because the realization of God is that you have never, at any moment, been separate or apart from Him. That’s only what thought tells you.

Drake
Drake