Trade-Offs

Back in the Cold War, one of the unanswered questions that came up from time to time was why did the people in the Soviet Union put up with it? American propaganda said that the living conditions were terrible. They had to stand in line for essentials like toilet paper and meat. The secret police regularly hauled people away, sending them into exile in Siberia or worse. Despite it all, the people, including those in the captive nations never revolted against the state or the communist party.

It is a useful question to ponder now as America and the West slip into the abyss of soft totalitarianism. We don’t have cops busting down doors and hauling away dissidents, at least not yet. We do have ideologues armed with the power of the state pushing people around because they can. The Covid hassles are the result of petty pipsqueaks in government offices dreaming up new ways to torment us. Curfews and bans on alcohol are punitive measures, not palliative ones.

It brings up that old question. Why are people tolerating this? There were some flickers of resistance during the early stages of the lock downs, but governments sent out the cops to harass dissenters and the media revved up the fear campaign. Here we are in a second wave of pointless lock downs, more petty and stupid than the first, but no one is raising hell about it. Back in the Cold War, stories like this elicited oaths about how the tree of liberty needed to be fertilized with the blood of tyrants.

A popular answer, for why people willingly allow themselves to be stripped of their liberty and dignity, is our material prosperity. The Boomers care more about their stock portfolios and their kids care more about the game consoles. The reason everyone goes along with this stuff, according to popular thinking, is everyone feels like they have too much to lose. That material prosperity has made everyone lazy and cautious, so they are easily pushed around by the petty tyrants.

While there is some truth to it, that can’t be the answer for why the people living under communism never revolted. The stories about people waiting in line for bread were no doubt exaggerated by Western media, but there is no doubting that the people in the Soviet Union lived well below Western standards. The Soviets may have had great military gear, but their consumer goods were terrible. Only party members had access to the small luxuries taken for granted in the West at the time.

In retrospect, we now know that life for most people in the Soviet Empire was not the dystopian nightmare portrayed in the West. Once Stalin died, there was a brief period of reform and then communism fell into a long period of conservatism. That is, it was more about maintaining a set of rules and enforcing them. Ideological experimentation came to an end and the focus was on the basics of life. For most people this meant a predictable life, where they had the necessities.

There’s no doubt that material standards of living for people in communism were far below that of the West, but this was not something they saw everyday. They just knew that life was better under communism than in the past. They were also free of crime, disorder and the great uncertainty of the first half of the 20th century. In other words, lacking a plausible alternative that was clearly better, most people were willing to knuckle under to the ideologues in order to get on with life.

We see that in America now. An under appreciated subplot to the Trump phenomenon is that Trump represented disorder and uncertainty, while his establishment opponents became stability and order. They selected the Pretender Biden because no one could possibly see him as a revolutionary. To use the old movie concept, the election was about the blue bill of Biden or the red pill of Trump. Note that the old alt-right greedily gobbled down the blue pill of Biden.

Another historical parallel is important. The captive people of the Soviet Empire were not all willing to go along to get along. The Hungarians revolted in October of 1956 against the party and the Soviet occupation. In November the Soviets sent in the Red Army to crush the revolt. The Politburo was initially open to dealing with the leaders of the rebellion, but changed their mind and crushed the revolt. The reason was they did not want to encourage more rebellions.

In January 1968, the reformer, Alexander Dubček, was elected First Secretary of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia. This set off what is known as the Prague Spring, which was an effort to liberalize Czech politics and economics. This reform effort did not go over well with the Soviets who sent in half a million Warsaw Pact troops to suppress the reform movement and restore the old order. The scenes from Freedom Plaza last Saturday had a Prague Spring vibe to them.

What the Hungarian Revolt and the Prague Spring showed is that raw power has an appeal that can never be underestimated. There is no question that the people of the captive nations were in support of their independence, but the raw power of the Soviet Empire was more than enough to counter popular support. When the rebels had no answer for the Soviet tanks, the people did what Osama bin Laden observed many years ago. They chose the strong horse.

This is a lesson the Poles learned and put to good use in the 1980’s. The Solidarity Movement was as much about making the Polish communist party look weak as it was about organizing the people. Instead of hoping the party would yield to popular will, they played a game of chess with the party, putting them in positions where they looked weak and indecisive. This allowed the people to trust that the cure for communism was not worse than the disease of communism.

This brings us back to the current time. One obvious failing of the populist movement that put Trump in the White House is it was never able to create a plausible alternative in the mind of the people. Was the goal a return to the past or was the goal the present with specific modifications? Was it some undefined future? Trump was not skilled enough to grasp this and lacked the imagination to articulate a plausible alternative, even if he recognized the historical moment.

This is something that the reformers and rebels in the late Soviet Empire did not fail to grasp when their time came. When the party tried to oust Yeltsin, for example, the public rallied to his side because he represented a clear alternative. The Solidarity movement in Poland had a clear set of goals, rather than a list of complaints. When the party tried to muscle them, they were opposing more than just a rebellious rabble, but a set of specific reforms popular with the people.

Getting back to the central question as to why people throughout the ages have been wiling to submit to the most terrible crimes against their liberty and dignity, the answer is that life is about trade-offs. Instinctively, people make their choices based on the options put before them. They do not rebel against the present arrangements because they fall short of some ideal. They rebel, either because the alternative is misery and death or they see some better option on the table.

This has been the magic of the two-party democracy, which is explicit in America and implicit in Europe. The options before the people are always the two faces of the establishment, Republican and Democrat, Liberal and Conservative. Unless and until that dynamic is broken, either with a third option or the discrediting of the two option system, the status quo remains the strong horse. Nothing will change until the trade-offs presented to the people change.

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whitney
Member
10 days ago

totalitarianism 2.8 is not going to be the same mostly because of diversity. They’re too many competing Dynamics going on. Somehow or other we’re going to have to figure out how to work them to our advantage and deprogram a bunch of young white guys. But the strong arm of the state is coming down on us alone pretty much

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  whitney
10 days ago

They’re too many competing Dynamics going on.

I know we ought not to put all our eggs in one basket, but this is something that will be interesting to watch play out.

Ethnic warring, with too few people to maintain basic amenities is going to be quite something…

miforest
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
10 days ago

don’t worry, xi will send in millions of “helpers” to get everything back into order. millions and millions .

Mark Matis
Mark Matis
Reply to  miforest
10 days ago

And they will be welcomed with open arms at every port on the Left coast!!!

Sandmich
Reply to  whitney
10 days ago

Yes, it’s less about generic oppression and more about allowing an invading army to conquer your lands. The normalcy bias still persists though, with normie-cons dreaming, much to their doom, of turning all of Somalia into a liberal, law abiding republic.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  whitney
10 days ago

Depends on who is wielding the totalitarianism. If it’s the Washington establishment, then we get a pretty incompetent totalitarianism which we can live with, and exploit if necessary. If it’s the private sector, which is populated with more intelligent people, then there’s more to be concerned about.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Marko
10 days ago

Private sector is getting stupider by the hour

so at least there’s that bit of good news

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Falcone
10 days ago

Isn’t it, though? I was assigned “Human Rights” e-training by my Globohomo overlord this week. What role does a private company play in human rights? They’ve totally lost the plot.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Marko
10 days ago

The two are working in tandem, which is one key reason we now live in a Leftist fascist state.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Marko
10 days ago

Speaking of exploiting, Enjoy a good laugh! Probably won’t save us…..but it sure is LOL and confirms we’re up against idiots. Evil idiots, but idiots none the less. Meet Salty Cracker:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Dc53vPtJA

Freedom101
Freedom101
Reply to  whitney
10 days ago

just the whites? racist troll much? have you been to the Democrat controlled public schools, especially the urban ones like Detroit and Baltimore? Deprogramming will be needed for millions of youth and young adults, regardless of their skin color.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Freedom101
10 days ago

There won’t be any deprogramming, just depopulation.

whitney
Member
Reply to  Freedom101
10 days ago

Their communities can worry about it. I’m only thinking about the white people

Sandmich
Reply to  whitney
10 days ago

A genuine crack-town black guy that I follow on FB said that he never met president who cared two licks for his community and that they care more about some village in Afghanistan then his own. Point being, they do have people within their community who have a clue, they do have agency and can help themselves if they so desire. We have enough issues with our own people without having to worry about others who are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Sandmich
10 days ago

And if they aren’t, that’s their problem. But, if they cause problems because it, well that’s a horse of a different color as the mayor (wizard) of Oz said…

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  Freedom101
10 days ago

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that racism, for lack of a better word, is goodRacismis right, racismworks. Racismclarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Racism, in all of its forms; racismin life, in love, in knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind.

Gordon Gekko, Wall Street

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Freedom101
10 days ago

Son, you must be new around here – anyone who calls whitney a racist troll is undoubtedly one him/zer self. No one gives a shit about reprogramming pocs. They’re to be separated or otherwise from us.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  whitney
10 days ago

that’s the ironic part of all this. communism eliminates (literally in most cases) all diversity. everyone is on a 1:1 basis with the state, to the exclusion of all other allegiances and relationships. it is like acid being spread across a society, breaking all bonds between individuals.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

Yeah, but I seriously doubt even the commies were so deluded to think (or even propagandize) that joggers were anywhere near “equal” to normal human beings.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  usNthem
10 days ago

The goal there was International Socialism aka Socialism in many countries as vs one size fits all. Each kind of Commie gets his own Commie country.
Its by any means smarter than what we have now which is terrifying.

370H55V
370H55V
Reply to  whitney
9 days ago

No young while man should ever serve in the military or even in local law enforcement. They should never put their lives on the line for a country that puts them last.

B125
B125
10 days ago

They rebel, either because the alternative is misery and death or they see some better option on the table. anyone honestly assessing the situation can see these things are coming for the white man in the future USA. The soviet union was not openly pushing an anti-white agenda, nor were they importing millions of hostile foreigners. They had no African demographic – mainly Russians, eastern euros and asiatics under their power. a better comparison might be South Africa, or Rhodesia. The dems are trying to lull people to sleep, back to normal, but our only option is to not let… Read more »

ChetRollins
ChetRollins
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

One of the goals of the dissident right is to find boomercons who can be pushed to our side and take their audience with them.
Dinesh is useless, but people like Bongino, Jesse Kelly, and even Walsh have potential to be useful.
I don’t care if they receive the message from Fuentes, Casey, or Bongino. Just that they hear the message.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

The only pundit I know of with relevance who has not shifted into a more dissident position in the last four years is Shapiro, and that’s only because of the inertia of a massive years long propaganda network propping him up. Beck is now a circus clown, Levin has gone hardline voter fraud where it will be hard to backpedal without destroying his credibility, and Limbaugh is essentially a corpse to be replaced by a new guard. If Bongino starts to get mogged on his own platform(Parler) with dissident viewpoints, he’ll see where the wind is blowing and start shifting.… Read more »

American Citizen 2.0
American Citizen 2.0
Reply to  Chet Rollins
10 days ago

Shapiro and Levin are the thin end of the “Jews are just white guys” wedge that the mainstream media is pushing now. Since their fellow tribalists ultimately want to cement that status, they are given a much longer rope than most ordinary white people would be given.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

“Seems like the message from that camp is vote harder, pray harder and don’t look over the wall.” On the left, this is presented as a morality play. Z-you pointed this out. White people falling on their knees waving their arms in the air to the black and brown deity, and that’s just part of the morality play. Plus Gia worship. Lefty morality from all 4 directions. The secular zombies are empty souls, stuffing their deep void with the globalist inverted morality. Z wrote about fanatics and the fanatics spring from the globohomo Gia religion of the global left. We… Read more »

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TomA
TomA
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

Bongino wears his heart on his sleeve and that resonates with a quietly raging Middle America in need of a champion. And he’s cashing in big time. What is truly scary about his message is that if the Elites succeed in stealing the election for Biden, Bongino thinks he can change the next election by more and better community organizing. How do you do that when rigging elections becomes the new normal? Stupid is as stupid does.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  TomA
10 days ago

he’ll be dead by then.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  TomA
10 days ago

The better route would be to declare “democratic voting” a fraud, promote boycott, and then challenge TPTB to completely overall the system to prove otherwise.

This of course will never happen, but it will “cover” his move to the dissident right and pull a lot of his questioning viewers over who follow him. He’s one of the few who could believably make this work. The question is, does he believe such in his heart?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  TomA
10 days ago

What choice does he have? DB is plugged into the system and makes his living on the system. So do the others. Also let me ask you directly? Are you actually revolution ready? Didn’t think so. Ultimately we all know that the system doesn’t work, can’t be fixed under almost any circumstances other than a Pinochet or DR takeover and will break down at some point into a much less complex one. The only other option is to impose our ideology on people just like the Woke are trying to do. What they are trying to accomplish is wrong because… Read more »

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

Critical thinking skills are the first line of defense.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  ChetRollins
10 days ago

Something has changed with Walsh. Maybe it has to do with the Groypers confronting him awhile back. I’m not saying he’s “our guy” but he’s much closer to us than he used to be.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Wolf Barney
10 days ago

They embarrassed him by making him look like a toady for Shapiro, which he was. Have a feeling he always had those thoughts but was afraid of angering his paymaster, and was forced to choose between possible blowback from Shapiro or being an internet joke.

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  ChetRollins
10 days ago

Stop living in 1999 please, The youngest Boomers are well over 50 and while they can be a benefit on an individual basis, they aren’t that important as a group. Most are like 70+ BTW old in other words and not that long till they are all gone. Who matters are the newly turning White Millennial’s (now +11% Republican) and the Zeds who are what 18 now? They are the future not the aging Boomers. Honestly sometimes I think our movement needs 40K style Commissars, some dude in a Tricorn Hat and a Frock Coat or something armed with a… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

I know a White Xennial who is a living caricature of a Southern deplorable.

He loves Bongino and the Hodge twins.

Best of all, he just signed his name on the birth certificate of an orclet that isn’t even his.

Last edited 10 days ago by The Wild Geese Howard
abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
10 days ago

This isn’t a race war at least not yet, Besides Civ Nattery is just less scary for most people its easier to assume you can maybe deport a few people, lock up some others and have a common culture than assume you have to go Serbo-Croatia on everyone who looks too different than you. Honestly even I think a Whites and Friends (10-20% max) nation would be able to work to some degree without habitual criminals, and immigration. Problem is to get there requires our current elite be removed from power, mass repatriation and strong force be used to control… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  abprosper
10 days ago

abprosper, Draconian, but workable. I don’t even know if your ratcheted down society would even be wearisome to people after they became accustomed to it. They don’t seem particularly put out now by their loss of free elections, privacy or economic choice. They may just appreciate a country without the crime, decay, obvious racial tension, corporate anti-white propaganda, general ugliness, clown universities, etc. You’ve essentially laid out a reboot of the 1950s minus the civnat/civic rights pitfall Our predecessors fell into. Americans time-machined from the 1950s wouldn’t see it as an all that strange future. Better gadgets, check. Still ferreting… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Penitent Man
10 days ago

Good catches there. I try to think in terms of older established law when possible and the doctrine of En Loco Parentis allows tight ideological control over colleges without violating the 1st amendment. Marriage is also easy to fix, easy divorce with no kids but little to no alimony, default to male custody and hard divorce with kids. A couple of say 23 year olds with no children or some people with grown children really shouldn’t need to jump through hoops. Really the only moral issues that can’t be fixed by a cram down rollback are porn, which is ubiquitous… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  abprosper
10 days ago

You may be right on the election fraud. Time will tell. It’s a draw in my mind as to whether American’s 60 day memory loss will kick in or this has corroded the franchise institution permanently. I don’t see it as the spark that sets it off now, but I’ll admit that in a past thread I argued contemporaries rarely ever see the spark when it occurs. I’ll disagree on two points. Pornography, which I think you and I went around with before so no need to hash that fully again. I admit that it will be present, but I’d… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Penitent Man
10 days ago

These differences are why we can’t legislate some things. And I remember our porn discussion but sufice it to say you have not a single police officer or soldier willing to enforce that edict . Its a lost cause and frankly I’m not sold in its harmfulness anyway, The “ick” reflex , aka instinctive revulsion is strong in many Conservatives but that isn’t a rational reason to ban anything. I loathe scotch and the effect of hard liquor and it sometimes causes harm but the harm level is low enough, value of adult choice and the enforcement cost high enough… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  abprosper
10 days ago

There are plenty of cops that make arrests for child pornography, production and possession, worldwide. I am not equating adult pornography and child porn in its level of pure evil, rather saying it is prosecuted.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Penitent Man
10 days ago

This is more for anyone else reading this. You and I enjoyed a good scrap over this before. You are unintentionally promoting a categorization fallacy. Sure they are both about sexual stimulation but no one frowns on adults doing it. CP is illegal not only because its disgusting but because no matter what pedos think children cannot consent to the acts portrayed and such acts harm the child and society. Its rape. Normal porn OTOH almost no one thinks its disgusting enough to ban , adult performers can in fact consent and have agency to do so. Also there isn’t… Read more »

Member
Reply to  abprosper
10 days ago

This is a good discussion. I think AB here is focusing a bit too much on the “crackdown” aspects of the change we want though. As I see it the main problems in our society are not so much created by “freedom” as by perverse incentives, particularly those directed at women. The porn discussion is a good example. Porn is one aspect of a much wider problem, which is that we’ve built a society that allows young women, particularly if they are at all attractive, to basically glide through life. They start by “earning” worthless college degrees, financed through government… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  pozymandias
9 days ago

Glad you joined in. I’ve ignored the economic problem simply because imposing the kind of regulation required to stop it is incredibly destructive and would probably be resisted. Simply put, do to automation driven efficiency and the Internet and the demand barrier (one can only use so much stuff) there isn’t that much productive work to do. And yes we can gradually cut off trade and return to the way it was a century agowhere everything is made, sold and bought here, it will take time. The reason being simply we lack the ability to make a lot of things.… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  abprosper
10 days ago

Oh, and weed. Agree on the hyper-potent stuff. My alter ego is a pagan enthusiast and a proponent of herbalists. I’ve seen the medical and recreational benefits of marijuana for some people.

Believe it or not, I do not want a theocracy and view most sin/grace as a very personal thing. My litmus tests are, does that sin realistically reach beyond the participant and inhibit the good in others, and is it destructive for My People.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Penitent Man
10 days ago

Exactly.
Normal potency weed is a decent medical/recreational plant though personally even though legal I won’t touch it with a ten foot stick.
Same with shrooms, mescaline and the like. Not harmful enough to prohibit and the old “must be sober for the factory state” argument of the past is highly deprecated. These days half of all jobs you coudl come in frying in acid and no one would notice a decline in productivity.

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
10 days ago

Yikes

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

D’Souza, Bongino, et al. are the prozac of CivNats. Easier to drift in a stupor of colorblind hope that assimilation and Western values will turn these dusky fellows into khaki-wearing Whites in dark face than accept reality.

And the reality is harsh. Not only have you been wrong your entire life. Your mistake – caused some combination of hubris and sloth – has doomed your country, your children and grandchildren and your people. It’s not surprising that most CivNat Whites prefer to stay in denial and turn to various voices tell them that they’re going to be okay.

B125
B125
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
10 days ago

Yeah, when you bring that up to civnats they give some vague answer like “well, I think it will work out” or “well, when I was young we had italian/lebanese/polish immigrants and yeah, there was some conflict but now they’re just like us”.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  B125
10 days ago

Ah, the CivNat/Boomer shrug. I’ve seen it many times. It’s a physical “washing of their hands” of facing the reality.

That said, I do believe that it stings and they can’t quite forget it when I tell them, “You’re grandchildren are going to be a hated minority in this country. And they’re not going to be treated nearly as nicely as blacks in Jim Crow.”

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
10 days ago

The time to worry is when the highly capable start emigrating from the country.

An in-between warning sign is when there are capital controls where you are free to leave your country but your money must stay at home. This is exactly what Cuba and South Africa did.

 The time to really worry is when the host government makes departure impossible or very difficult to do so. By that point we are full on Soviet Union.

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CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
10 days ago

Pray tell, where would the highly capable Whites emigrate to? I assume no non-White nation. But few to none, White nations are less than a few years behind us.

Last edited 10 days ago by CompscI
Suburban_elk
Reply to  CompscI
10 days ago

Uruguay, doncha know..

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  CompscI
10 days ago

There are plenty, if not most, a few years ahead. I doubt there’s any White dominated country that isn’t more converged than we are.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
10 days ago

The highly capable are not going to immigrate, There is nowhere to go except parts of Europe. What the are doing right now is going Galt in the form of not being capable. Many Boomer’s didn’t pass on their skills nor did Gen X since the were being H1B’s out of a job so new “engineers” are often quite useless and general dysfunction means more and more projects that 20 years ago would have been basic are at best daunting. The is defualt in California and will spread across the USA year by year. Its the Mexican Moonshot problem writ… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
10 days ago

I’m so sorry to quibble, but they have a secret weapon, an answer to “your grandchildren are going to be a hated minority”. My TDS bestie’s grandchildren are brown. His arch-conservative minister brother even has a little orclet from daughter’s short-lived rebelliion. Now what? The womb is their weapon. Girls are designed to be scared when there’s a threat to the kids, their cries bring the men running… and CNN is amping up the full-on Doomer message 24/7! Eleven!ty!! Save us Uncle Joe! Of course there’s pu**y involved, the wimmen and their secured health insurance, pension, or welfare benefits, so… Read more »

Last edited 10 days ago by Alzaebo
Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Alzaebo
10 days ago

There are a few mixed grandkids out there but the vast, vast majority of Whites prefer to breed with their own. The ones that don’t aren’t enough to matter, at least at the moment, and may be helpful to cull the herd.

I’ve always believed that we’ll “lose” at least half of American Whites in one way or the other (no kids or mixing) over the next century or so. But the Whites remaining will be far more genetically conservative and ethnocentric. They’ll also have known the pain of ethnic oppression.

They’ll be a much smaller but far tougher cohort.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
10 days ago

They also have the highest fertility. The Amish double every 20 years and show little sign of slowing down Other groups what I call “conforming Christians.” along with a few Jews and others have large families more than enough to cover loses to the secular society. Mexican TFR by the way is at repalcment and below it in America as is every other group but the above. Oh and Pacific Islander who are stable. Its only immigration that is a threat long term that is if you don’t mind secualr modernity being taken out behind the proverbial chemical shed and… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
10 days ago

And there’s a substantial portion of the purported dissident right made up of not-quite-reformed civnats. Yeah, they’ll criticize blogger dysfunction and give a nod to the long march through the institutions, but underneath it all they still think things can be salvaged. They still think the courts or public pressure or sheer moral nobility will somehow win the day. I see this every day among the comments, and I’m so over these people.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  3g4me
10 days ago

I’m not against trying to get into local political parties or institutions, but not because I think they or the system can be reformed. It can’t.

But having some ability to control an organization or institution could be useful as other organizations or institutions start to falter. Use every tool available.

But, yes, the current system – at least as it relates to Whites – is doomed.

george 1
george 1
Reply to  3g4me
10 days ago

Any who are nominally on our side who think the courts will come though for them is going to get a hard slap when Trump loses his voter fraud cases.
Those cases are entirely correct and contain all the proof anyone should need to overturn the election results. But that will not happen.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  george 1
10 days ago

I begrudgingly agree with your assessment.

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  george 1
10 days ago

EMJ says we will triumph in the courts. God will hear the cries of the deplorables…

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  george 1
10 days ago

We shall see. Ultimately even a second Trump term won’t save the nation. It requires us the DR to find a road to take power and to use it for good ends,
Even that may not work, catabolic collapse and behavioral sinks are incredibly hard to stop in any manner.
We could end up with a DR republic that is sane but still dying, just slower at a great cost.

dong
dong
Reply to  george 1
10 days ago

Every obvious loss to corruption is a large red pill.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

The establishment is more accepting of them and therefore magnifies them. DR is still underground but the message gets out, fight club style. The day will come when it breaks through.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

Well Dan is going to be in the grave in six months, so there’s that.

gen x
gen x
Reply to  JR Wirth
10 days ago

Hodgkins Lymphoma has an 85% five-year survival prognosis.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  JR Wirth
10 days ago

My dad beat it almost 50 years ago. You never know.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Paintersforms
10 days ago

It depends upon the individual and the stage at which it is caught and treated.

Dickwadian Schlongasaurus
Dickwadian Schlongasaurus
Reply to  RoBG
10 days ago

Has Bongino shared his medical reports?

Hodgkins Lymphoma does not metastasize — it’s already circulating throughout the body affected. Treatment and how the body responds is the key. Every case is “unique.” Scary as hell but defeatable for years and an ordinary lifespan. My business partner is still alive after five years and he’s doing great.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  B125
10 days ago

The soviet union was not openly pushing an anti-white agenda, nor were they importing millions of hostile foreigners. 

They were doing both.

They burned down Christian churches while synagogues were protected.

And while they might not have imported millions of foreigners, they had enough poc inside the Soviet Union to effect the same; Stalin deliberately drew regional borders that went across traditional ethnic territories, and he moved tribes around in an effort to forge the Homo Sovietticus. That’s why the ‘stans are a mess today and why you have a substantial Korean population living north of the Black Sea.

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Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

they moved 10’s of millions around, which has a similar effect as importing foreigners.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

Thor and Jormundgandr. Thor pummeled the world snake to death and in turn staggered to his death from a hundred poisoned wounds. The Soviets were behind every bad actor stemming from the Frankfurt School to the Rosenbergs to MLK. This last 30 year victory lap over the Soviets was actually us staggering in circles from that long ago injection of poison. Our economy is fiat, our navy crashes their own destroyers, our “free” elections are media picks and our kids don’t know what gender they are. Actually, bad Ragnarök analogy. This Jormagander lived. Russia has always been a less than… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
10 days ago

The Soviets were behind every bad actor stemming from the Frankfurt School to the Rosenbergs to MLK.

Thanks for the laugh.

The “soviets” were merely the vehicle. It would behoove you to inquire into who was behind the “soviets”.
The Frankfurt School for example wasn’t financed by “soviets”. A two minute search should be sufficient to disabuse you of that notion.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Bilejones
10 days ago

Roger that. A very specific type was behind the scenes and utilized here as bad actors. It’s conflated AND I was quite tired of getting my comments hung up in the triple parenthetical auto-filter.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

True. However, there was no unremitting anti-white propaganda campaign as there is in the US. The Soviets attacked tradition, which was ipso facto white, in order to cement communist power. The AWRs attack whites qua whites, in order to subjugate them and elevate PoC, particularly blacks. The two are quite different in their methods and goals.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
10 days ago

one thing you can always count on with conservatives, is that they will never have your back. look at how even Trump allows his supporters to be attacked with impunity. notice how KR-15 has been abandoned. and that is why the left is going to succeed in their cause – the absolute cowardice of everyone else. note i include myself in this group, as doing anything meaningful on your own (e.g. shoot a judge is a guaranteed end to your life) without any support from the rest of the sheep. what will change things is when a new faction arises… Read more »

Spin geraht
Spin geraht
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

You don’t have to get caught.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Spin geraht
10 days ago

then go ahead 😛 everyone gets caught eventually…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

The Atlanta Olympics bomber hasn’t been caught.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

On May 31, 2003, former FBI Top Ten Fugitive Eric Robert Rudolph was arrested

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

So strange. Cells of the 9-11 crew lived in both Atlanta and Oklahoma City at pertinent times. Thank gosh the eagle-eyed agencies were on both cases, ‘cuz they protect the Murrican people.

Rudolph blew an empty abortion clinic after hours to save Fetal-American lives, of course this committed Christian would toss pipe bombs at sports events. Sure. I even saw it on TV shows, that’s what they’re really like.

Klan and Christians, they both use crosses, and they talk funny.

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Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Alzaebo
10 days ago

Additionally, to your point. Rudolph had been hunted for years by the FBI at great expense. He avoided their dragnet by living the hardscrabble hand to mouth existence of a hybrid mountain man/hobo. He fared poorly and often resorted to dumpster diving to survive (warning to all you “I’ll Rambo it all alone in the mountains when it hits the fan” types). It wasnt the vaunted FBI that bagged him. It was a newbie cop of a small department that sensed something weird about the bum he was watching and realized he’d gotten THE guy. I remember watching the press… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Alzaebo
10 days ago

Americans who have done like Rudolph so often go after the cape not the matador and think they can use the press to their advantage. Not smart. President Clinton understood that , in wartime any member of the press or person who speaks against you in a public way is the enemy and a lawful target. We are not at war as of yet of course and thus must respect the rights of such assholes to say their paid words but if it should go to guns , be smart. For now, stay frosty and as always Don’t Do Stupid… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

Who knows? But Eric Rudolph confessed to it back in the oughts. (Too late for Richard Jewell, though.)

ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago
Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ronehjr
10 days ago

I stand corrected.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Spin geraht
10 days ago

Disclaimer , don’t do illegal stuff obviously but all men die and selling one’s life for a greater good whatever that is might be worth it to some men.
Always save a bullet for yourself though.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  abprosper
10 days ago

you would expect a few people with a terminal illness would go for a politician or bureaucrat. hasn’t happened to my knowledge.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Karl McHungus
9 days ago

It happens occasionally, c.f the Killfdozer incident though that guy was healthy and didn’t kill people only destroyed a small town but otherwise you wouldn’t hear about it if they did,
Also while NABALT Baby Boomers are highly narcissistic and self absorbed as a generation , think the world orbits around them.
A few are in the past caring stage however a wealthy generation that basically decided that family marriage and children was not for them (1.8 TFR , 50% divorce latchkey kids etc) is not going to be willing to do anything pro civic for the most part.

Sandmich
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

I’ve been working on my family members over the years with some very modest success, and these are people who already agree with probably 85% of what I have to say. When it comes to my neighbors, they’re pretty hopeless. They’re good people, and that’s probably the issue, a more dark-hearted cynical lot would be easier to work with. And then there’s an experience the missus and I had last week. We had stopped to help a young white woman who was having a severe car issue. Always looking for a chance to proselytize: Me: “Have any brothers or sisters?”… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Sandmich
10 days ago

They’re good people, and that’s probably the issue, a more dark-hearted cynical lot would be easier to work with.

Yes. That’s certainly been my experience. The nicer the folk, the less amenable they are to my conversion attempts. Of course, by now I can spot them a mile off.

Always looking for a chance to proselytize

As we should all be. It is if anything the most basic duty.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  OrangeFrog
10 days ago

Therein lines some of the problem pointed out in the article. The combination of “Nice people” with too much material comforts to lose, effectively dooms any attempt at…reform? Realignment? I saw this with my close friends who have an abundance of material comforts combined with young children. They were outraged at the election theft, and 48 hours later were rationalizing. They couldn’t stomach it longer than that.

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ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  OrangeFrog
10 days ago

I’m a Christian, but I realize as practiced it has been terribly dysgenic for European peoples. It seems to select for the most naive and undiscriminating niceness possible.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ronehjr
10 days ago

As practiced since Scofield and the social gospel, true.

Another believer elsewhere pointed out: the older message was first, to Fight Evil- so that then, we could practice Good.

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Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  ronehjr
10 days ago

right, but the end goal, is, after all, Heaven. I need reminding of that once in a while. Yes, we have a right to a homeland, but not at the expense of our eternal salvation. And it aint once saved always saved. Crossing the goal line the real struggle!

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Sam
10 days ago

I have respect for the missionary that treads heathen lands spreading the gospel and delivering comfort. I despise the Churchianites that grab every wretch from those places and drags them to my country like it’s a lifeboat and not a nation… garners the attaboy from the rest of the congregation and then conveniently turns the hordes loose to infest our cities. You can help many more people in their homelands for the same dollar or effort than is spent to help one “refugee.”

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Sandmich
10 days ago

Don’t give up. Here is my anecdote from Saturday night at gas station. Young Navy Guy (YNG).

Me: I noticed the Trump sticker on your truck. Think they’re going to cheat this from us?

YNG: They’re gonna try. It’s bulls**t. I’m in the Navy and I can’t f***ing believe that there are so many people in the military who HATE him! Most don’t but waaaaay more than I thought.

Me: Did you notice they were mostly minorities?

YNG: Huh? Um… yeah. Actually, you are right. Uh… yeah.

Me: Have a good night and thank you for your service.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Sandmich
10 days ago

well, good luck 🙂

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Sandmich
10 days ago

I know a lot of local hillbillies that are like you describe, but just as many that are about ready to start up the guerrilla warfare.

george 1
george 1
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

Yes exactly. That the communists would attempt to steal the election was known and preventable years in advance. The fact that the Trump team allowed it happen will go down as one of the great political blunders of our time.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  george 1
10 days ago

Can’t disagree with this. The theft of the election couldn’t have been telegraphed any more. That the Trump team appears to have been caught with its pants down doesn’t speak well for its ability to enact the measures this country, our people need.

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  george 1
10 days ago

There must be some kind of Jeffy Sessions drug the team injects after joining up

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
10 days ago

They rebel, either because the alternative is misery and death or they see some better option on the table. That’s the key. In most political debates I’ve been witness to, most people – who were in fact right – never really presented anything that was tangible enough to Mr Normal to get him onside. The status quo was better. This is also the problem with daft phrases like ‘left’ and ‘right’ or when someone identifies as a ‘social conservative’ – they don’t mean that much to people. But there are points that we can rally around, that don’t send people… Read more »

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
10 days ago

Good for you! You will not prove to be a coward, but some may see a prudent man that way. Ignore them! Once you have a family, it will all become wonderfully clear to you what truly counts and what doesn’t. Hint: blood counts and all else is secondary, even “racial purity”, although it’s pleasant that your posterity looks and acts like you. Values, you see, don’t entirely depend upon skin color; just look at what the USA has become to see the truth of this.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Montefrío
10 days ago

This is war, not marriage; it’s happening too fast for decent people to work the slow magic of gradual merge. Too fast for decency.

Well said, Montefrio. South American refinement and Continental manners remain such an elegant surprise. Would that such were reinforced, rather the crude, crass vulgarity of our current betters.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  OrangeFrog
10 days ago

What we need, most of all, is for the boys and girls to have their chance and the time to simply soak up the influence of men doing men things, and women doing women things.

I cannot begrudge the need for stability above all else. Our culture is a continuous assault on stability.

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Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
10 days ago

We may not know when the time. Comes. I dont. Wear a mask, but I. Just interviewed for a new job……..

Festus
Festus
10 days ago

That strong horse is about to be hobbled and its back broken if this stolen election is allowed to stand. All legitimacy for our ruling class will be toast. First obviously for the Deplorables and then gradually for everyone else as our standard of living continues its march into the abyss. They’ll have to use Dominion to steal votes for the GOP in all future elections just to keep the charade somewhat believable since most true Americans will just stay home and refuse to play their game. The next true nationalist leader will not be elected but installed after much… Read more »

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BTP
Member
Reply to  Festus
10 days ago

Agree. Some seem to think that the phrase, “We’re not voting our way out of this,” means something like, “We’ll have to community organize our way out of this.”

There is only revolution, and that probably only works if Trump calls for it. That’s why talk here about forming communities is missing the point. To steal from Rumsfeld, you go to revolution with the community you have not the one you eventually want to build.

B125
B125
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

GOPe are cowards, but Trumpers are not, they have a spine and won’t back down. Would Trump do this? I don’t know. But yes, his supporters would take any action for him, is requested. And I mean any.

“What the hell do you have to lose??” – trump to black voters. But that stands now for his white voters too.

BTP
Member
Reply to  B125
10 days ago

I think they had something like 1/2 million in D.C. on Saturday. All of them would approve Trump going Caesar on everyone; 1/5 would pick up a firearm to make it happen. Trump himself? Who knows?

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  B125
10 days ago

I was at the dc. Stop the steal Rally,,, and despite reporters tying to make trumpets into “happy warriors”. As compared to Antifa. And. The blacks, many people were pissed. And if the police were not there, some Antifa might have been torn to shreds.

Lineman
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

Then don’t do anything until Trump calls for it which he won’t so you won’t do anything… Using that as an excuse to not do anything is pretty lame…

Sublime
Sublime
Reply to  Lineman
10 days ago

BTP lives in Ontario, Canada. He won’t do a thing even if Trump implores. Canada has already accepted its fate and named its destructor.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Lineman
10 days ago

Your inference is unwarranted, Lineman.

Lineman
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

Your call for revolution without any of the necessary things to make it successful is foolhardy and makes me wonder about your agenda here…

BTP
Member
Reply to  Lineman
10 days ago

Dude, you are in the middle of a goddamn revolution. I don’t have to “call for” anything at all, the Left brought us a revolution without me asking for it even one time. There is a tiny chance Trump prevails in court and the crisis is averted. Otherwise this ends in exactly two ways: 1) Trump dies in jail, 2) Trump seizes power. If 1, then your community will be choked to death in its crib. If 2, the guys who showed up in Richmond for the gun rights demonstration might have some tiny role to play, but it’s all… Read more »

Lineman
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

So again your just waiting on Trump before you do anything except of course rant online…I on the other hand have been advocating for Building Communities for over ten years and have been helping people relocate, find jobs, find housing and meeting people f2f so we can encourage and help one another…So that when the time comes to go to war we will be ready and be able to trust one another…

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Lineman
10 days ago

Every war needs its NCOs like you, Lineman.

Chez Z is a bar, your friendly neighborhood watering hole.
Samuel Adams chatted up the unemployed longshoremen in Boston’s bars, and ended up starting a Revolution.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Lineman
10 days ago

And your couple dozen people are going to do, what, precisely? Take over the Cour d’Alene post office? Even that’s going to be impossible once the algorithms catch up with you and everyone you know can’t write a check or send an email or make a phone call.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

BTP, I understand your sky is falling feeling. Who knows, you may be right and this was the exact moment future historians will mark as lynchpin that wasnt pulled… but those moments are much rarer in history than most people think, so probability says it is not. History is movement, accumulation, decay, erosion, gradient. I’ll put, and do place my marker on building community. Rescuing the like-minded and attracting others through an attractive alternative. Building redoubts that like decent little towns and counties. Places that can spread and eventually project power and change. You passed the first rule of combating… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

Yes- Generals, that’s the word I was looking for.

To Patton, or not to Patton.

Hate him or not, Lincoln, we remember.

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Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Lineman
9 days ago

This little argument between Lineman and BTP inspired me to a maxim: never let your hopes or expectations or even plans for the macro level get in the way of your preparations on the micro level. I used the terms ‘macro’ and ‘micro’ the way economists use them, macro is the national, or out of personal sphere level, micro is the private or personal sphere. Lineman is saying ‘get busy at the micro level’, BTP is talking about the macro level. We all have hopes and desires at the macro level. But that should not cause us to neglect preparations… Read more »

Lineman
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
9 days ago

Thanks Brother…By taking care of the micro we will be better prepared to win the macro…

Sandmich
Reply to  Lineman
10 days ago

It’s a perfectly warranted excuse. Who is going to show up on the battlefield to defend a lord who is just going to surrender and allow the enemy to send them off to prison? If he’s going to do nothing about this then it would be better if he actually did go away.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Lineman
10 days ago

I’m sorry, Lineman, but that IS the way it works. We can do our small things, but this is a national Moment, not a lifestyle.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

In short, we’ve reached that line in the sand. No one is ever ready, or ready enough, for an end.

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BTP
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
10 days ago

That’s what I’m saying.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Festus
10 days ago

Dominion–what a name. It says what they seek. And, FWIW, one of the five Exorcist films is named Dominion.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

Whew! Boy howdy, Osteii.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
10 days ago

More like Captain Howdy, amirite?

Felix Krull
Member
10 days ago

Unless and until that dynamic is broken, either with a third option…

A third party would just mean 33% more snouts in the trough – Globohomo successfully subvert European countries where you have anywhere between five and ten parties.

Some dude once asked some African dude why they kept voting the same thieves into power again and again. The African dude argued that if he voted a new boss into office, the new boss would have to start enriching himself and his family from square one. The old boss was already rich, so he didn’t need to steal so much.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

A third party would just mean 33% more snouts in the trough…

That’d be 50%, before someone math checks me.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

depends on what side of the equation you are looking from 😛

Suburban_elk
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

Good comment actually.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

> . The African dude argued that if he voted a new boss into office, the new boss would have to start enriching himself and his family from square one. 
That’s…. actually quite logical.
If we were forced to just pay for the luxurious lifestyle of a random three percent of elites while, in return, those elites would promise to leave us alone, my bets are most would deem that acceptable compared to current circumstances.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
10 days ago

If we were forced to just pay for the luxurious lifestyle of a random three percent of elites while

Better yet: let’s just have one guy instead of literally thousands of grifters who need to get their kids through Swiss boarding schools.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Chet Rollins
10 days ago

African blacks have a certain simple practical attitude and simple real-world make-do way of going about things that is lost on the West. There is not much we can take from their culture, but plainly seeing what is in front of them and personally making it work for them, as much as possible, is one thing. Community (as defined by extended family) is a strong economic and physical protection strategy they practice as well.

Basil Ransom
Basil Ransom
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

This is true…track the permutations of 3rd party politics from the Know-Nothings to the Populists to the Socialists to even people like George Wallace, Ralph Nader and Ron Paul and you hear the voice of the unwashed and unheard resounding through the ages.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

We have been conditioned for generations to think a third party is a bad idea. 

That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not a bad idea.

With proportional representation, it’s fairly easy to start a new party, get a platform. But long before your party reaches any significant size, there’ll be a knock on your door… I’m not even sure it’s more expensive to buy eight parties than to buy two. More players means more opportunities to pit them against each other, drive down the price.

Also, with proportional representation, Trump would have lost bigly in 2016.

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Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

A better paradigm is an organization like the NRA that supported people of whichever party supported their positions. There used to be a lot of democrats that received their endorsements and it was the reason they were so effective.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

With proportional representation” we don’t have that here.

Damian
Damian
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

I worked in Iraq a couple of years back, and whilst in Erbil our local fixer said he’d run for power with the slogan ‘I’ll stop at $5m’. Made me laugh anyway.

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

Welcome to Argentina! “TIA” we used to say when I lived in Africa, and I say now in my country of residence (Argentina), save that we here know a trick or two to keep the “boss” from stealing quite so much from us! Let the sociopaths squabble among themselves and take care of business locally until the time comes (or doesn’t) to advance your cause.

Alex
Alex
10 days ago

My $.02 on a solution… The current political structure relies on the two party system, and this will not change anytime soon. While taking over a political party is incredibly difficult, the outcome is at least a hand on the stick of state, which is immensely powerful. I suggest readers of this blog (and Zman has suggested this previously) become actively involved in their state’s Republican Party. Play the game. Support fundraising efforts. Become known as a useful and active participant. Invite other like minded people to do the same. After elections political parties revert to a bare-bones crew packed… Read more »

BTP
Member
Reply to  Alex
10 days ago

No. We cannot say both that the government is illegitimate and participate in its elections. We are not voting our way out of this. When Trump loses, the Dissident Right must forswear all of it – you don’t support an illegitimate government by being an activist in one of its parties.

Xim
Xim
Reply to  Alex
10 days ago

I attempted this already. The head of our R party routinely wore Spock ears and dyed xer hair flourescent colors to match her nails. My coup failed because the Rs, despite making jokes, liked, supported and excused xer when it counted. I am done with cucks.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Xim
10 days ago

then you are done with the gop.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Alex
10 days ago

disagree 100%. don’t expect different results when you do the same thing over, and over, and over…

Epaminondas
Member
10 days ago

We’re still living in the shadows of two wars: the Civil War and WWII. Remove those shadows and people will be able to see a little more clearly. The choices will also become highlighted.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Epaminondas
10 days ago

I’d put WWI above WWII because the first led to the second, and it created all the ongoing Middle East turmoil.

If one really wants to stretch, you could call WWI & II The Second Thirty Years War.

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Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
10 days ago

Some historians do refer to the European portion of World Wars I and II to a Thirty Years War. World War II, however, had a strong Pacific campaign that was not part of World War I, so the convention is never likely to catch on.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
10 days ago

Why I thought Hanson’s very simple term “The Second World Wars” made sense.

ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  SamlAdams
10 days ago

Eventually they’ll be known as the European civil wars.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
10 days ago

Not sure about that.

The Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05 could be argued as an early precursor of WWI.

Also, the Japanese sent quite a few troops to help the Russian Whites in 1919:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/japan-vs-russia-world-war-ii-these-two-nations-fought-mini-war-46852

usNthem
usNthem
10 days ago

There are parallels to the soviet situation, but a lot of differences as well. Your average Russian hadn’t known any serious freedoms for decades, if not centuries. They also endured two catastrophic world wars and criminality vile dictatorships who as said didn’t hesitate to use maximum force to quell any disturbances. We’ve lived mostly the opposite situation here in the states – freedom, material wealth and pretty easy living for the most part – oh, and we’re also armed to the teeth for what it’s worth. And the deep state has thus far been loath to use any extreme force… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  usNthem
10 days ago

Your average Russian hadn’t known any serious freedoms for decades, if not centuries” ever

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

The city-states of Novgorod and Pskov were quite free by late medieval standards. Ivan Groznyi ended all of that joy.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

so no serfs in those places? what kind of economy did they have?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
9 days ago

Serfdom was not advanced there. The economy was an early bourgeoisie trade economy closely tied to the Hanseatic League. Government had balancing nodes of power rather than being a pure dictatorship.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  usNthem
10 days ago

Anarcho-tyranny is its most effective tool. It barely even needs to deploy it – pour encourager les autres.

bob sykes
bob sykes
10 days ago

The point has been made, perhaps even here, that revolutions are the work of factions in the ruling elite. They may enlist the peasants, but they are really warring among themselves. The Soviet Union is a good example. Gorbachev started it, and he and everyone one else was a member of the Soviet elite.

Trump failed not because the people didn’t follow him, they did (but not enough), but because he couldn’t recruit enough people from the elites. The true revolutionary and populist will have to arise in the Ruling Class.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  bob sykes
10 days ago

he couldn’t recruit enough people from the elites.

Since the beginning of Trump’s legal challenge to the election results I’ve had this awful feeling that his lack of friends among the political elite will be what ultimately undermines his effort.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
10 days ago

I wonder if they realize they’d only be delaying the inevitable and making their downfall that much more complete when it comes.

I suspect there’s been a lot of running out the clock going on, but the time keeps getting shorter. Everybody knows the piper gets paid but nobody wants to be the one to own up.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Paintersforms
10 days ago

I suspect there’s been a lot of running out the clock going on

I feel like all the, “release the kraken,” hype a few days ago was yet another clock-burning media op.

Even normies are beginning to ask, “Hey, where’s the beef?!” about that op.

Hell, even the Conservative Treehouse bunch is starting to notice the op.

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
10 days ago

I meant the establishment going full tyrant, but yeah the Trump campaign too. So sick of all the drama.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Paintersforms
10 days ago

That’s okay. The birth rate is so low that the piper is going to get stiffed when he shows up collecting. 😶

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
10 days ago

Ain’t that the truth!

Sandmich
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
10 days ago

Again, maybe a little tiny bit of a white pill, but it seems like others have seen what Trump has done and realized they could do the same, but better, but cannot while Trump is there (Ted Cruz comes to mind, but there are others). I certainly hope Trump pulls it out, but were I an ambitious pol I’d probably keep those cards close to the vest and probably not make much more than a cursory defense of Trump who is notoriously unreliable. If this is true, then the more likely it is that Trump doesn’t pull it out, the… Read more »

BTP
Member
Reply to  Sandmich
10 days ago

The unreliability of Trump is a serious issue, I suspect. If you are a guy who matters, you see how Flynn was allowed to be treated – as well as al the other inexplicable personnel decisions – and you have to think twice about you level of support.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

Plus he’s self sabotaging because simply dominating is too boring wtf.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

It began when he filled his admin with Obama holdovers, Neocons, and Never Trumpers, not to mention his lefty New-Yorker offspring: Javanka.

Sandmich
Reply to  bob sykes
10 days ago

I’m not sure how well the inner party “rule by committee” will work out. They tried it in China, where culturally such an arrangement is more likely to work, and it didn’t even last but maybe a 1/3 a generation. For example, how far can Zuckerberg and Tim Cook trust the East Indian CEOs of Google and Microsoft with their Fellow East Indian running the show? For as much as those two are down with the POZ, they haven’t been 110% committed to the cause in the past.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  bob sykes
10 days ago

bob sykes, you nailed it. Revolutions are factions of elites turning on each other. In the meantime, Normie sees no viable alternative to the status quo, the angry right can’t identify any targets, and some of us withdraw to our own communities. From our communities, we nurture our own, and watch and wait while the elites gin up Clownworld. When the elites begin to turn on each other, we will see our opportunity and do something to further things along. But not until then.

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  Dutch
10 days ago

Then again, maybe we are just pawns with the unenviable ability to watch all this drama, impotently. Glad I’m a Catholic! Then I realize being persecuted is kinda a good, evern if its not directly for being a Christian.

But my suspicion is all the White hatred is hatred of Catholicism, and the West it created. Our world came out of the medieval world, no? A world that was a unified Catholic empire. And, even though Catholicism is by definition, well, catholic, it was a White European phenomenon mostly.

BTP
Member
10 days ago

And what is the positive, alternative, vision? Freedom of association is simply racist, strong families is code for misogynist and xenophobic haters (don’t you love your GDP, hater?) None of that changes the facts: the state is illegitimate, the elites are illegitimate. They have no rights. The ability to shift opinion is rapidly going away. “The people” didn’t rally to Yeltsin’s side so much as a commander of some battalion of tanks in Moscow decided to switch sides. There will never be a better time to force some mechanized infantry colonel in Maryland to make a hard choice than next… Read more »

Spin geraht
Spin geraht
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

One of the blacks I have worked with for the last ten years,just quit & is now an apprentice electrician. He is to be trained to maintain power grids. There have been billboards in this area highlighting brown people and women for these positions for several years. This fella could be trained for repetitive tasks only. The electrical unions in this state must bend to the diversity gods if they want to maintain fat government contracts and the protections they currently have. Undoubtedly many of the older white guys in these jobs now know the grids will fail more frequently… Read more »

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Spin geraht
10 days ago

I’ve done numerous home remodels and only once dealt with a black who worked for a mechanical subcontractor. His assignment was to move a gas line. It took 4 visits from the inspector until he finally got it approved. He had a good attitude and I felt sorry for him. The lies told to these people are as evil as the lies told about us.

William Williams
William Williams
Reply to  Peabody
10 days ago

Yes.

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  Peabody
10 days ago

My Dad just hired a black on recommendation from someone… What a clown crew. It eventually got worked out, but it reminded me of the scene in first part of Google Dead Souls of the peasants were trying to get a cart our of a ditch and making a hilarious mess things….One was jumping on top of it! Haha! Gogol is so fargin funny…

Who is the Gogol of Ethiopia, I wonder?

Bill Sweetman's Ghost
Bill Sweetman's Ghost
Reply to  Sam
10 days ago

Dude. Blacks truly are dumb and lazy. Never ever hire them. They WILL fail you. It’s sad.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Sam
10 days ago

Loved the book too

The scene playing checkers with the fat guy cheating had me in stitches

will have to read it again. Have it here in my little but growing library

Chester White
Reply to  Spin geraht
10 days ago

Adds a new dimension to the term “brown out.”

Sandmich
Reply to  Spin geraht
10 days ago

It’s the “black tax” as Z calls it. These guys will be stuffed away somewhere to make a quota while the real work is done by others, but we all have to pay more for it as a result.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

I see I’m not the only one thinking the Republic may come down to LTCs and Captains arresting Generals at gunpoint.

BTP
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
10 days ago

It will. Everything between now and then matters only because it will get them to act or not act. The more obvious the fraud is, the more likely they act. But it seems to me that Trump has to be the one to tell them to act. If not, then not.

Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  BTP
10 days ago

It just can’t happen. The military is too politically mixed and there’s too much to lose by pulling that kind stunt. The French Algerian OAS example is pertinent. The French even had a recent history of coloring outside the lines, there were still guys running around who were in the resistance and Free French forces, supported by a rock ribbed civilian population who were more hardcore than Ulster Loyalists, as well as many sympathisers on the mainland. They just couldn’t pull it off.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Hoyos
10 days ago

Maybe. There are a lot of combat veterans at that level, who are less likely to get cold feet than your average bear.

Sandmich
Reply to  Hoyos
10 days ago

A not-very-well written article on the possible impending genocide made a good point that the military will be made to sit this out. Even in a place like Venezuela the military is made to do make-work or prepare for an invisible enemy while street enforcers and occasionally the police do the dirt suppression work.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Sandmich
10 days ago

lol. Franco was sent to the Canary Islands after their election. Wanted to keep him far away from the loyal troops in Morocco.

Eloi
Eloi
10 days ago

Though I can agree the trade off applies to many people, I do not think it applies to most. I believe most are so befuddled due to years of prescription drugs, horrid educational system, and TV/Smartphone addiction, that they are unable to formulate a consistent lens of experience that would enable them to exist concurrently with but against the propaganda. With such short attention spans and limited ability to think critically, they are unable to sustain a personal narrative that says “This is a big lie” against the unending loudspeaker of fear.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Eloi
10 days ago

To be clear – I mean people in the current, American system. Certainly material comforts have allowed this intellectual lassitude, but the problem as it manifests really comes down to inability to grasp a couple key concepts. First, you can present them with the words of our overlords, such as Schwab, that literally map out that they are parlaying any virus issue into an opportunity to reset the system. Books on esoterica, stuff I have been reading all my life, have long pointed out the desire to dissolve and re-coagulate society alchemically. However, most people (and I deal with hundred… Read more »

Lineman
Reply to  Eloi
10 days ago

Which ends up like this if we continue to be apathetic about it…https://youtu.be/sKFPgd4j5k8

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  Lineman
10 days ago

I thought they. Were not making new movies

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Lineman
10 days ago

100%. Geemaneez, the messaging in that movie. Micheal Bay and “Songbird” must have a CIA budget as big as Portland.

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miforest
Member
Reply to  Eloi
10 days ago

I have had much the same experience Eloi. I feel your pain.

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  Eloi
10 days ago

Those types drive me batty. Interesting point about social media. Maybe it is more destructive than i thouht

BTP
Member
Reply to  Eloi
10 days ago

So attempting to convince them is a fool’s errand. I happen to agree.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
10 days ago

I talked to some progressive acquaintances of mine both white and black and one of their greatest pet perves about Trump was his slogan Make America Great Again. The “Again” part was what really bothered them. If only Trump would drop the word “ Again” after all Obama was not only progressing us he was a black progressive. The idea of wanting to go back to America before Obama was anathema to them. So here we are in 2020 without a defined message for what we want going forward and staring at being subjects of soft totalitarianism. Finding that Solidarity… Read more »

bubba
bubba
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
10 days ago

Trump has very little respect for his supporters. He even came up with two contradictory slogans knowing they wouldn’t notice the difference: MAGA and KAG. One implies America must be made great, and the other implies that it already is.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
10 days ago

I talked to some progressive acquaintances” liars all, yet you believe them. they behave the way they do because that’s how they are wired. any other excuse is just made up nonsense…

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
10 days ago

If it wasn’t a slogan it would have been something else. That didn’t push them further away from us.

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
10 days ago

One small quibble with your characterization of life in the old USSR – they most certainly did NOT have a low crime rate. According to Anatoly Karlin, who has worked extensively with Soviet statistics, the USSR consistently had a higher murder rate than did the US since 1940, and this is not including the “official” murders of Stalin. Of course, none of this was made public at the time. Here’s a link to some of Karlin’s research on this, who incidentally is NOT any kind of a Cold Warrior on these issues…

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-homicides/

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Altitude Zero
10 days ago

yah, organized crime had a weird role in the cccp. it acted like a kind of societal lubricant, doing some of what the communists couldn’t (like smuggle in consumer goods, etc). the media have been getting everything wrong since Gutenberg.

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Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

You could make the argument that organized crime, black markets, and corruption was the only thing that kept the USSR going the last twenty-five or so years of its existence. Makes you wonder if what really brought the system down was Gorby’s “Anti-Corruption” campaign.

Dooood!
Dooood!
Reply to  Altitude Zero
10 days ago

To scratch my aviation fetish, I once deigned to parachute across Russia from west to east. Antanovs, Ilyushins, Mils and Sukhois galore.

What I noticed was that my middle class hosts in every Russian city and burg, with money to burn on skydiving and drinks afterward, almost invariably skipped out on paying their bills. They knew where somebody had pried apart the iron fence bars and how to scurry over the tracks and climb up onto the platform to avoid a trivial train fair. Etc.

I *know* the Russians have criminality hardwired into their DNA.

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  Dooood!
10 days ago

This is. A very common. Stereo type. Not. Disagreeing,

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Altitude Zero
10 days ago

Surprising. Both obvious, true, and yet discarded. Not thought about even while those were the nastiest criminals on earth.

All the former Communist citizens I’ve talked to lamented the “low crime”, the boisterous families, and the absence of bums. They had no homeless or diverse.

Maus
Maus
10 days ago

Alt-Right didn’t just gobble the Biden blue pill, they willingly plugged back in for the Matrix steak. Jokes on them because Kamala will go true African and usher in the cattle killing to make Newsome’s “all electric by 2035” look like a piker’s attempt at the green revolution. Mmmm, bug protein is tasy!
Well, normie better wake up. You can’t chill and grill without beef. It’s what’s for dinner. (Brought to you by your friendly, overwhelmingly white, local cattlemen’s association.)

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Maus
10 days ago

Once again proving national socialism is a losing ideology.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Paintersforms
10 days ago

real national socialism hasn’t been tried yet.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

Because only losers are into it.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Paintersforms
10 days ago

lighten up Francis, that was a joke.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

It’s true though, is it not?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

Italy and France post WWII

Americans sometimes see only the socialism of Italy and France outside of the historical context which was a national group effort to rebuild the countries in exchange for pensions and jobs. It was not socialism per se but more of a shared sacrifice in exchange for rewards from the state. They could have just as easily adapted a different rebuilding strategy, I would think.

and now look at them, sucked into the EU vortex

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Falcone
10 days ago

One dimension of the socialism vs. national socialism thing has been that under socialism, the upper and lower classes destroy and steal from the middle, by and large, as an opening act. National socialism often starts as the middle class attacking the top and the bottom, flipping the equation.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Dutch
10 days ago

how about an example of that?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

Monty Python: a Nazi officer points out to his superior that they have skulls on their hats, and asks, “Are WE the Baddies?”

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Maus
10 days ago

kamala is a hindu.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Karl McHungus
10 days ago

A hindu nuffin.

Sandmich
Reply to  c matt
10 days ago

hindu dindu

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  Sandmich
10 days ago

Haha!

Willie Brown
Willie Brown
Reply to  c matt
10 days ago

A hindu buffin on her back, a hindu chuffin on her knees.

RCW
RCW
10 days ago

So you think you & others have the cahones to stand up. It’s worth a serious second thought: getpocket.com/explore/item/would-you-stand-up-to-an-oppressive-regime-or-would-you-conform-here-s-the-science?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  RCW
10 days ago

It’s spelled cojones.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  RCW
10 days ago

Pocket serve some interesting articles. However like most media Outlets the bias is evident. If they leaned any further left my monitor would fall over. 😁

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
10 days ago

Easy sell: stability. It’s pretty obvious the establishment is no longer capable of providing it.

The hard part is speaking the hard truths and paying the price for it. Multiculturalism is a failure. Democracy can’t work for diverse populations with diverse interests. The less people have in common, the more they fight, the less freedom and stability.

But yeah, the plan of action. Those mostly white Trump rallies in contrast to BLM/antifa riots speak loudly. Then the censorship to keep people from seeing them. That’s chess. Like Trump said in ‘16, we have to punch through the media lies.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
10 days ago

“An under appreciated subplot to the Trump phenomenon is that Trump represented disorder and uncertainty, while his establishment opponents became stability and order.”

I cannot agree. The establishment, with its BLM and Antifa brownshirts, its riots, looting and arson, represent disorder and uncertainty. This is why Trump didn’t send in the National Guard; he wanted to force the establishment to own its own chaos. Alas, it appears as though roughly half of voters in the US prefer social turmoil and mass violence to stability, security and order. Irrationality is a powerful force in human affairs.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

The half that voted for Biden are the parasites that can only survive in a totalitarian environment in which the productive are fleeced in order to feed them. It’s basic survival instinct. Chaos and disorder are secondary to starvation.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  TomA
10 days ago

True. But it requires a certain mentality to put up with constant chaos and disorder. Normal white people (and East Asians) don’t have it. The others do.

ToimA
ToimA
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

I posit that if you ever experienced real hunger you would find that your tolerance for chaos would be increased substantially. Hunger is far more primal than annoyance.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ToimA
9 days ago

Starvation was never a widespread phenomenon in the US, even before the New Deal. The PoC aren’t acting from fear of starvation; they are acting in accordance with their innate chaotic tendencies and in response to their hatred of YT.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

The turmoil and violence were controlled by the Left. Thus, the “offer” was vote Left, or it continues. It has the order and certainty of the Mafia.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  c matt
10 days ago

The turmoil and violence were perpetrated by the Left, not controlled by it. The notion that Leftist elites were in charge is a delusion and/or an illusion.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

They voted for order, feeling/knowing in the back of their head that the left will now “turn it off,” as well as the order they will feel is restored by not having a NYC real estate developer popping off on twitter. A shocking amount seem to feel its too hard to turn off the news cycle, and they can bury their head again now and leave it running in the background like the good old days. The amount of people who fatigued from the twittering and the storms it brought seems notable in my circles.

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Dan
Dan
10 days ago

What were the people living under commie rule supposed to revolt WITH? They were UTTERLY defenseless. The first thing ALL dictators do is disarm their victims. And it’s the very first thing the left will attempt when they gain full control.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Dan
10 days ago

Yes, and they are well aware that a sudden and overt gun grab may trigger a grassroots hot civil war. As such, they prefer a longer game in which mass indoctrination attempts to persuade a majority to voluntarily disarm and then uses incremental restrictions and proscriptions on the diehards. Most of Europe was successfully disarmed in this fashion.

Giant
Giant
Reply to  TomA
10 days ago

Europe was never armed with 400,000,000+ firearms and trillions of rounds with barren shelves at the gun stores amidst unquenchable demand.

Go ahead and disarm us, I dare you. Ha ha ha ha hah …

BTP
Member
Reply to  Giant
10 days ago

It will just be a 500% tax on ammunition, coupled with firearm registration.