The Struggle Continues

In the business world, a regular topic of conversation is the cost-benefit analysis to solving business problems. It is easy to see that you don’t solve a fifty dollar problem with a million dollar solution, but most problems are not so simple. Figuring out the real cost of the problem is not so easy and then imagining the solution adds a whole new layer of complexity. One of the ironies of problem solving is figuring out the cause of the problem can cost more than the problem itself.

Watching the election shenanigans roll on, it seems that the ruling class may have created an expensive problem while trying to solve the Trump problem. The wholesale election fraud has created a very expensive problem for them. They cannot sit back and let Trump’s lawyers find examples of fraud or use those examples to overturn one of the disputed states, as that creates a big problem for them. Joe Biden becomes the Pretender Biden for most of the country.

On the other hand, the only way to prevent any of this is to double down on the shenanigans in all of these states. That means threatening judges, lawyers and election officials. It means more midnight capers to alter the rules and results. In other words, the way to prevent Trump from establishing his claims is to prove another set of claims. They will convince a large number of people that the whole system is rigged and controlled by thugs and crooks.

This is a managerial class feature. A group of experts identify a problem, real or imagined, then set about solving it. In the process, they create a whole new set of problems that require a new set of experts to solve. That new set of experts are conveniently the proteges of the first set of experts. This cycle has rolled through the culture since the middle of the last century. It now appears to be consuming the system that makes the managerial class possible.

It is remarkable, when you think back over the last five years. They could have easily co-opted Trump, by cutting some deals with him. He would have put the MAGA stamp of approval on things like DACA, higher immigration levels and big new administrative initiatives, in exchange for some trinkets like the wall project. Instead, they cut off their nose to spite their face. It is insane and suggests that maybe they are the victims of the same process that has consumed the Trump movement.

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Contents

  • 00:00: Opening
  • 02:00: Giving Thanks To Our Enemy (Link) (Link)
  • 17:00: Goodbye To Bad Cess (Link)
  • 27:00: Stupid People (Link) (Link)
  • 37:00: Welcome To The Madhouse (Link)
  • 47:00: The Ungrateful (Link) (Link) (Link)
  • 57:00: Closing

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whitney
Member
8 days ago

These people are definitely insane. Look at this, they’re shutting down Adelaide in Australia because of a 34 “cases” ofcovid. They are calling the strain “particularly nasty” because its really hard to identify because people don’t have symptoms. WTF

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/526677-australian-state-bans-outdoor-exercise-dog-walking

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago

There have been leaked documents, and this is getting very serious indeed. They are trying to pull some next level shit on us.

Juri
Juri
Reply to  Lanky
8 days ago

Yes. This is Trotskyist dream of slave society. As much we fight, corona is not going away, so sooner or later entire economy is bankrupt and we all are unemployed. But somehow we must keep things running. So Government creates a huge corona free camps. There are harsh conditions because of isolation. You must wear mask and can`t communicate with others. In the morning special corona free transport brings people to corona free workplace and in the evening back to the camp. To avoid corona spreading, you can not have personal items, camp will supply you with all necessary. Also… Read more »

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  Juri
8 days ago

I just want to leave for the country. But in my heart, I know it is too late for that.

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  Juri
8 days ago

Well, except for the orgies….

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago

Yep, the aussies are leading the charge to pantywaste faggotism. Unbelievable.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  usNthem
8 days ago

Have you ever been to Australia? It isn’t unbelievable at all. Forget the media images. These are for the most part the most cucked people on the planet.

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

Myth’s aside Australia was always the closes thing on earth to a space colony in that it was never really self sufficient and did not organically develop. Instead, from the beginning it was a colony entirely dependent on the mother country. It started as literal prison for christ sake.

That general dependency continued even as it became economically viable. It’s always been an urbanized colonial enclave in a foreign land.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  dinothedoxie
8 days ago

Australian women seem pretty decent. Haven’t dated any, but did work with a couple of them.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  dinothedoxie
8 days ago

I ask what’s worse, slavery in 1800 or prison in 2020

and prison is a form of slavery

I can only surmise that because blacks like going to prison so much and welfare dependency they never lost the slave mentality. Probably why they are always angry, the knowledge of their true selves at war with what they want the world to believe about them only wanting freedom

Hah!

And makes sense that people in a former penal colony never gave up their slave mentality

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Falcone
8 days ago

(I’m assuming) at least Australia has relatively few of African origin. Alas, from my scattered reading, apparently their Aboriginals pick up much of the slack.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
6 days ago

I know little about Australia’s aboriginals, however I note that they are in many analyses of races, differentiated from “negros” of the major population, Bantus, of Africa. Perhaps they are some significant differences between the two.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  dinothedoxie
8 days ago

Have never visited. I’m sure it’s a fascinating country. I recall a pictoral article about a small factory (mining?) town way out in the middle of the desert, nothing else visible in all directions to the horizon, save by the coming and going of the rail line, its sole connection to the outside world. You’d be hard pressed to find something as isolated even in America’s desert west.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  dinothedoxie
7 days ago

I did a bike tour through the outback in 1994? 1995, have to check that passport stamp, but I’d have loved to live there myself. The Australian people, like anywhere else in the civilized world are mostly decent and not well represented by their media (((m)))(((a)))(((s)))(((t)))(((e)))(((r)))(((s))). That was nearly 30 years ago, but still, same principle applies today.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

One of my daughters has a friend down in Australia. The girl seems to be mostly dependent on the state and nobody seems to think it is unusual. She lives like a child — no particular responsibilities, needs met through no effort of her own, enough money from somewhere to go out and have some fun occasionally. I think that’s the way they want us.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Vizzini
8 days ago

Very common.

They have a sketchy “workfare” program where no one goes to work. It is UBI, more or less, with a phantom job attached to it. This is coming here fast, too, if things don’t implode beforehand.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

This is a huge problem in modernity. The kind of jobs being created are often so low wage that an apartment much less family formation simply isn’t possible.
Its not wonder there are so many junk jobs and so much state spending. Too much trade and too much automation for society to work.
However the damnable efficiency trap will self correct in time, less people born, less smarts out there and society will Arecibo telescope itself back to a sustainable position.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

I saw the same in Norway. The white people mostly live off welfare

and Muslims serve a similar role that illegals do here and do all the teenager jobs

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Falcone
7 days ago

Kicking out the cheap labor certainly will open up jobs and ought to be done. However the numbers might not be as great in some countries. First the number of teens who want a job for some purpose is in decline. Second, higher wages don’t pencil out for some things like restaraunts unless that society is willing to let wages go up across the board. This is something that needs to happen, wages exceeding inflation by a hefty margin if we ever want to see above replacement fertility but there are a lot of reasons it can’t happen. I’m not… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

Nope and not looking like I’ll get there anytime soon. I guess I was thinking more along the line of the “diggers” from the WW1 era. Obviously they’ve wimpified like everyone else over the last several generations – maybe more.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  usNthem
8 days ago

The most dramatic change occurred after the Port Arthur shooting was used as a pretext for door-to-door gun confiscation. It got quite nasty at times and the propaganda outlets there had a total blackout on what was going on although word got out.

Gun ownership was quite common prior to the mid-Nineties. After those confiscations, it is near zero outside of places here and there. The people became utterly cowed and submission in short order. It is among the reasons the Covid compliance here has bothered me so much.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

Australia isn’t a total loss. Foster’s lager (for us in USA it’s now brewed in Canada so they can still claim “imported”, it does taste ok.) Music, some intersting acts reach our shores. Paul Kelly is nice, sort of Australia’s answer to Bruce Springsteen.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

My understanding is that actual compliance with the orders was fairly low. That said like the USA the will to use said weapons and of course the organization to use them effectively isn’t there. Its the poison of democracy, you have the illusion you can change things at some point and the very twisted idea that tolerating other people’s bad ideas is a positive ideal. Now Howard actually thought people would rebel with force as he was openly wearing a rather heavy bulletproof during some speeches from half grandstanding and half fear I’d guess. Now my impression of OZ is… Read more »

el-porko
el-porko
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

Canada and New Zealand give them a good run for their money.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  usNthem
8 days ago

Crocodile Dundee was just a movie, mate.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

Blimey!

B125
B125
Reply to  usNthem
8 days ago

Canadians give them a good run for their money. And yet, there is a huge urban-rural divide here, our cities are full of Karens wrecking themselves to stop the China flu – in the rural areas things are hopping, churches are full, boomers are packing restaurants.

But the level of cucking from white urbans is unbelievable. Our diversity is almost saving us from covid lunacy, the paper Canadians are completely ignoring any rules and badwhites are following along.

Member
Reply to  usNthem
8 days ago

Soon it’ll just be a Chinese province anyway. Maybe they’ll use it as, wait for it… a prison colony.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  usNthem
8 days ago

Dunno, the kiwi’s version seems worse to me as it is repleat with a bony childless unmarried middle aged Karen (Jacinda) larping as a Mother Teresa with her own personal police enforcers.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Penitent Man
8 days ago

I know some Kiwis. It’s literally a country of Karens and woke White guys. It’s bizarre.

At the moment, the whole country is the equivalent of a gated community, which, of course, is why the silliness can flourish. But they seem intent on following the rest of Western world down the toilet by opening the immigrant fire hose, though they likely will import an over class (Chinese and Indians) than an underclass, so there’s that.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
8 days ago

Maybe it’s time for the Maoris to rise again and put the karens & kens out of their misery.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  usNthem
8 days ago

Maoris vs. Maoists

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
8 days ago

Some years back, a Danish back-bencher was sent on some cross-planet junket where she visited a New Zealand naval base. As she arrived, she was treated to a “traditional New Zealand Welcome” – her native guide admonishing her in advance not to laugh. When she came back, she wrote a humorous little fluff piece about how she’d experience the “uncivilized and grotesque” spectacle of half-naked navy personnel jumping around, screaming at her and sticking their tongues out. The story got back to NZ and the Kiwi internet exploded in offense-taking. It was troll heaven. The amazing part was that so… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Felix Krull
8 days ago

Seeing white men willingly join in a Haka is a sorry sight. There’s a reason the British traveled halfway around the world and took the Maori’s land and not vice-versa.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  KGB
8 days ago

Yes. Their rugby* team does it, despite such pre-game antics being disallowed for other teams. One time, the Welsh team responded by turning their backs and mooning them and got a three-game suspension.

I mean, just look that those fucking clowns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOuycLaJ-_s

*Like football, only without body armor.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Felix Krull
8 days ago

LOL. Former NE Patriot Nate Ebner played both sports at the elite level. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Ebner. (He’ll prob’ly be bionic by the time he’s 50.) But the truth is there aren’t many +250 lbs. Rugby players, so you’re mostly getting hit by somebody your own size or close to it. In American Football you can be mowed down by someone double your size. That’s gotta hurt.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  RoBG
8 days ago

But the truth is there aren’t many +250 lbs. Rugby players

That’s because rugby involves running.

Also, there’s the spandex-thing. Not gay at all, I’m sure, but still….

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago

To think, some colleagues of mine think that they will ‘escape’ to Australia. Quite frankly, these days you may have a better chance of a new life if you had been a transported convict on the First Fleet back in 1788.

They’ve gone nuts. One can only hope the ‘bogan’ settlements in the interior don’t get infected with the poz. We ought not to be surprised: most people in the cities love the poz with all their hearts. Rural community, Urban evacuation is a must for those sane folk who can.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
8 days ago

Keep this in mind when someone here again mentions the best country to bug out to. There is no escape, stay and fight.

BTP
Member
Reply to  David Wright
8 days ago

The Unblinking Eye of Globohomo

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  David Wright
8 days ago

Russia and Eastern Europe, at the last ditch. The Anglosphere is totally toast.

Mayor Lighthead
Mayor Lighthead
Reply to  David Wright
8 days ago

People ask why we’re staying put in The Chicongo. I don’t say it outloud very often, but it’s a target-rich environment here. Target effing rich. You rural folks will just end up shooting squirrels.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  David Wright
7 days ago

Somewhere else in this comment section, a link to a Zero Hedge article was included that discussed “The Great Reset”, which, I suppose, is a euphemism for “White replacement”. This is all over the Western world. So, I have to wonder, how does China play into all of this? I understand that our Rulers are actively destroying Western civilization via mass immigration, but where does China fit in to all of this? Will war with China be inevitable, or is China already part of the cabal?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  OrangeFrog
8 days ago

The Northern Territories have resisted incorporation into the Australian federal system for this very reason. They largely have been successful but their numbers are few.

Walt
Walt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 days ago

Lol what?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  OrangeFrog
8 days ago

In contrast to the media images, Oz is one of the most urbanized countries on the planet.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  OrangeFrog
8 days ago

I know how Britain is, but Australia is infinitely worse. Part of it is that the country is so highly urbanized. Everything people in the States and the UK know think they know about Australia comes from pop culture and it is wrong.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago

15 days to flatten the curve.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago

In that spirit may I suggest zmans next movie review be, It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.

Mo'ray Washington
Reply to  David Wright
8 days ago

I just watched invasion o the body snatchers for the first. Besides my disbelief in the success of the strange looking goofy D Suthernland, it is like what we are living!

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Mo'ray Washington
8 days ago

comment image

Mo'ray Washington
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago

particularly nasty? Wait, its either covid, or not.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Mo'ray Washington
8 days ago

A Coronavirus is simply a cold that happens every season. Covid 19 was literally just a bad cold strain. A vaccine will probably only solve a particular strain and be useless for the rest going forward.
There is no feasible end-game to this mess because everyone is insane.

Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
8 days ago

This is exactly the problem. The media and politicians have spent a whole year destroying the global economy, hyping the arrival of Vaccine Jesus, and yet – next year there’ll be another one, and another one…

I found this whole panic very alarming from the beginning because I realized that there was no feasible way for the ruling class to walk the whole thing back. They now must drag the increasingly massive ball and chain of Covid with them everywhere.

We should offer them a ride – to the pier.

el-porko
el-porko
Reply to  pozymandias
8 days ago

next year there’ll be another one, and another one…
My worry as well. With all the damage that has been done, authorities can never admit they made mistakes. The only direction is forward and doubling down. It seems like we are on about the 4th round of doubling down now with no end in sight.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  el-porko
7 days ago

Oh it will end. Europe is already seeing riots and protests over lockdowns and Americans have simply decided to not obey the laws this Thanksgiving and the police decided not to enforce them. After a few more years of this, nothing will work , the money will be gone and likley someone sane will come along and try and fix this mess. If they don’t I suspect Europeans actually do have the will to act up and deal with the issues. Arms are there as well and frankly aren’t as needed. As WRSA noted a few days ago , its… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Chet Rollins
8 days ago

Great. Hyperventilating Americans will then become deluged with having to know all about the different “strains.” Karens will evolve into experts of the latest info on shades of boogeyman to further imperiously scold us.

September 10, 2001 most Americans couldn’t point to a single Middle Eastern country on a map with confidence. Words like jihad, Sunni, Shia, Wahhabi, etc are recognizable terms for the average person now.

Like Covidese, these are terms that should never have entered our lexicon. Globohomo has much to answer for, and when a reckoning occurs I hope it involves red hot tongs.

Last edited 8 days ago by Penitent Man
Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  Penitent Man
8 days ago

I subscribe to the Next Door website only because it is a good source for finding out about burglaries, car break-ins/thefts, and spotting’s of suspicious characters in the neighborhood. Last night a Karen posted about her trip to a local small business. She was stunned how neither the staff or customers were wearing masks. She was outraged how in the midst of a “global pandemic” people are making masking wearing political. This set off a thread with over 200 hundred comments and counting. Over 80% were pro-mask histrionics (we are all going to die!). It was really disappointing to see… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Judge Smails
8 days ago

Nextdoor bans mask deniers.
Got a four day ban for being un-neighborly by calmly and politely posting several stories that refuted the narrative.
Meanwhile, the woman who responded by calling me an a-hole didn’t seem to get any punishment.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Chet Rollins
8 days ago

As above. Spinster. Witches. Ostracize. Rinse and repeat.

Last edited 8 days ago by Penitent Man
Rich
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
8 days ago

Nextdoor is a scream. Whenever I feel my faith in humanity rising, I login there to come back to reality.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Rich
8 days ago

I briefly gave Nextdoor a try earlier in the year. After I saw a couple of censorings of comments (not even mine!) that I thought were over the top (the censorship, not the speech that got suppressed), I posted my final message, denouncing said censorship and tendering my resignation 🙂

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Judge Smails
8 days ago

Great. You have the modern version of the village spinster pointing out witches in the hamlet. Find out who she is and set to work ostracizing her.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Penitent Man
8 days ago

This. They want a war? Give it to them.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Mo'ray Washington
8 days ago

It’s insidious because it’s asymptomatic. We can’t know how many innocents are now afflicted with this horrific version of this disease without any symptoms whatsoever.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  BTP
8 days ago

I suspect many have died without realizing it…

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

They’ve only died from the neck up.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  CompscI
8 days ago

That would be about 80%, conservative estimate lol

Member
Reply to  BTP
8 days ago

It’s a lot like the homelessness problem as portrayed in South Park. Soon you won’t be able to know who has Covid and who doesn’t.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago

The most depressing thing in that article is the comments. So many Covidiots.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Vizzini
8 days ago

Twitter is even worse.

It’s infinite Corona-Karens chanting:

“You just want to kill grandma, selfish pig!”

“Lockdowns are saving lives, selfish pig!”

B125
B125
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

For the first time in their lives, they have a purpose and feel they have a meaningful existence.

At work it’s become a competition – the more sacrifice you make to “stop COVID” the more virtuous you are.

New age religion shit, personally I much prefer the Bible to the Covidian religion!

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  B125
8 days ago

And conversely, a pozzitive test in their household is a scarlet letter. Oh the shame! They must have failed to mask hard enough, to distance far enough, so you need to do more. 6’ is not enough! The testing protocols with baked in pozzes coupled with cold and flu season is driving them deeper into the cult. “But I was doing everything they told me to do…” they lament. And indeed they have been pious to the covidian way of life, walking the dog alone with mask avoiding even other dogs and squirrels. Never does it occur to them that… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Screwtape
8 days ago

I doubt that lasts long. If someone in their house gets it, it was probably because some deplorable didn’t wear a mask around them or got within 5’8″. Blaming other people is what leftists do.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
8 days ago

Indeed. And rather than being a mark of shame, contracting Kovid is a symbol of victimhood, which they prize above all else.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

Yes, it gives them an extra high horse upon which to lecture the rest of us, for our own good.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Vizzini
8 days ago

Exactly. I’ve heard multiple interviews over the months wrt COVID-19 deaths within families. Always they end with, “If only others wore ‘the mask’…”. Never any mention of the “victims” behavior—not that I’m blaming the the unfortunate soul who perished—only that it seems odd. Every COVID case I directly had contact with, or direct knowledge of, has had a vector that they’ve welcomed into the victim’s presence. For example, the last one a couple weeks ago was a grandson visiting grandma (90 y/o) in grandma’s home—when he was running a fever! No mask obviously, but also obviously a very stupid behavior… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  CompscI
8 days ago

“If only others had worn the mask.” Right. 99.6% of the population has been wearing these idiotic Karen Kloths, not to mention social distancing and sanitizing their skins off, 24/7 since March, and the fault lies with the .4% who exhibit common sense. What is bloody well clear to any reasonable person is that all of these measures don’t accomplish dicksquat except to further transform the masses into mindless livestock.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

The repressed Danish study has finally been released—as if all here have not heard. Long and short—no statistical difference between contraction wearing mask and not wearing mask (1.8% vs 2.1%).

However, we seem to be our own worse enemy wrt over-stating the results. The study does not address the effect of an “infected” person transmitting the disease while wearing the mask—and that really is the objection we all have here.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  CompscI
8 days ago

Very true. I have to tip my hat to the Covidians, this whole “my mask protects you” mantra was a stroke of genius. There’s essentially no way to do a DANMASK study that measures how true that is since, with very few exceptions, no one knows from whence their infection came. The other day, I saw this article that stated 900 Mayo Clinic employees in the upper Midwest had tested positive. Mayo got the credulous reporter to include this fact, though: “Most of the exposure — about 93% — happened in the community, not at work.” In wrestling parlance, that’s… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  CompscI
8 days ago

I can share your sorrow at whoever died, but feel compelled to add that 90 years is a damned long, full life. Not seeing or hugging your own grandchildren to live another year or two of an isolated, ‘safe’ existence seems to me a waste of everyone’s time and effort. God help me but I never want to be a hysterical little old lady.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  3g4me
8 days ago

Also worth mentioning is that if Granny had died of flu or pneumonia complications a year or more ago, it would have been tragic for the family but utterly normal as far as normal medicine was concerned.
Trivia: it’s hard to fix the exact date due to the cover-ups, but today is more or less the first anniversary of the (your choice) a wild bat in Hubei province infected Patient Zero, during the cold part of the year when bats are hibernating, most remarkable really! — or — soemthing escaped the lab in Wuhan. Happy birthday, COVID.

Last edited 8 days ago by Ben the Layabout
CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  3g4me
7 days ago

No disagreement here. I’ve always stated that death wrt oldsters should be evaluated in “lost years” of remaining anticipated life. So that infections and death may be put into proper societal perspective. A human life is *not* of infinite value, and *all* human life is not equal. (And like I’m really old here, so I have skin in this game. 😉 ) This is not unlike wrongful death torts where a dead father of a young family is worth significantly more $$$ in compensation than a young child or an old retiree. What I was getting at was that folks… Read more »

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Vizzini
8 days ago

Exactly. Vizz. Their shame quickly converts to anger. They did everything right but “some people!” refuse to follow the rules, wear a mask, etc. they are, after all, the goodwhites. Its all too convenient that the kkkovid kompliance delineation tracks the goodwhite-deplorable divide. Thus more rules, more punishments for the deplorables. Their suffering is worth it if it means we suffer more. They are noble, selfless victims, we are ignorant, selfish oppressors. Their leftist world is still ordered accordingly. Which is really what matters most.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Screwtape
8 days ago

Well put.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

I suggest responding with the rapidly increasing suicide and declining mental health statistics for children across the western world. Shove those down these harpies throats with a bit of their favorite mantra, “What about the children… they are our most precious resource you hag.”

Juri
Juri
Reply to  Penitent Man
8 days ago

Communist mindset is different. All ills are caused from people resisting communism. So those suicides are caused not by lockdowns but by people resisting lockdowns. Without resistance , the transforming phase would be passed already and we would live in the Orwellian Gulag paradise, where everybody is happy and nobody commits suicide. Communism is always good and all bad things are caused by people who do not let communists do what they want.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Juri
8 days ago

Okay. First rule of criticizing an idea… propose options. Suggestions?

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

In refutation of all the Karens out there my wife and I are hosting a Christmas open house next month. We live in a retirement community which normally features parties all the time for whatever reason. This will be the first since pop went the Wuhan. We thought to invite people directly, not through any electronic means. Started with the church friends, then the vets and the neighbors. So far we’ve had nothing but enthusiastic agreement and delight to attend. We’ve decided that if anyone we invite expresses any reservations whatsoever or starts to lecture we will say, “You are… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  The Right Doctor
7 days ago

Being an “asshole”, I’m looking forward to going over to the kids’ house and asking pointed questions wrt numbers of families present, their current health conditions, masks, sanitizing techniques, and finally ball busting the couple of in-laws who have recovered from COVID-19 who are said to be attending. 😉

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
8 days ago

Covidiots is good.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

Not original to me.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago
Member
Reply to  Bilejones
8 days ago

“circuit breaker”. I find it especially infuriating the way they have corrupted the language by co-opting legitimate technical terms into their sick religious cult.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  pozymandias
8 days ago

Yep, language corruption is common. It lends a credibility undeserved.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  pozymandias
8 days ago

Um, have you not been paying attention to the climate science movement of the last 20 years? Climate science, that can’t predict a single hurricane or produce an honest model but is chock full of sciency sounding terminology. Oh, and we are informed it is “settled science” to boot.

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My Comment
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
8 days ago

Oh, and we are informed it is “settled science” to boot.”

And if we don’t censor dissident scientists, people will die! Now people will die if we don’t censor scientists speaking out against lockdowns. Same game plan.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago

Invisible Kovid. The epidemiological analogue of systemic racism.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

science-denialist ideas about “racial justice”…

arresting covid-deniers

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
8 days ago

[insert currently fashionable adjective] racism is, in my opinion, just the Egalitarians tip-toeing around the elephant in the room, the we-dare-not-speak-of-it fact, that yes racism exists, it’s a fundamental aspect of human nature, and (worst of all for them!) race is real, racial differences are real, and ultimately, inequality at the outset makes the goal of equality impossible.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
7 days ago

In the US racism exists alright. Almost all of it is directed at whites. But, Leftist intellectuals, going at least as far back as Marx, have made a habit of generating new theory to explain the failure of people or discrete groups of people to behave in the manner they predict or prescribe. The notion of “false consciousness” (and systemic racism) are prime examples. Leftists hate it when people are happy and content when they “should” be miserable and outraged.

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tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago

Weren’t these falsely linked to a fake pizza joint? I saw something on Drudge about that this morning.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  whitney
8 days ago

They are calling the strain “particularly nasty” because its really hard to identify because people don’t have symptoms. WTF

It’s a stealthy sneaker, like institutional racism

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  whitney
7 days ago

Yea, that one takes the cake …

I guess that many of us heard about the lady being arrested at her home for trying to organize a protest against virus restrictions … maybe 2 months ago. Her husband (or significant other) captured the arrest on his phone and posted the video. The police said on the video that she was being arrested for organizing the rally … it was all quite surreal.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
8 days ago

The Kraken is a massive sting operation. Digital black hat hired guns infiltrated cyber space and are now taking down targets. Its over.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Higgs Boson
8 days ago

please share details.

Crispin
Crispin
Reply to  Karl McHungus
8 days ago

When I hear about the “Kraken” being released, I automatically think of an old saying:
If you suspect cheating is going on and you can’t determine who the mark is…. you are the mark.

I truly hope I am mistaken.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Crispin
8 days ago

i try not to think about any of it right now. all this talk of secret stings and so forth is safely ignored. catching people cheating in real time, and shooting them down on the spot would have worked better.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Crispin
8 days ago

I first read that as ‘if you can’t determine who the MASK is…’ Oh god Im getting brainwashed…

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  Karl McHungus
8 days ago

Hi, Karl
I posted a reply from work on my I phone that seems to have gotten lost in the twilight zone. Perhaps one of the Feds lurking on the site would be kind enough to explain the logistics.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Higgs Boson
8 days ago

A tech support tip, if I may: I’m not a fed, but if you use an Android phone to post: I have nothing but weirdness (I use Firefox) with this WordPress interface. My workaround: Use Google Docs (or some other app), to do your editing, then copy & paste into the window here. No fuss, no muss, and the Mother Ship has a copy of your thoughts, but no context for them 🙂

Michigamua 90
Michigamua 90
Reply to  Higgs Boson
8 days ago

Aluminum foil or tin foil model?

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  Michigamua 90
8 days ago

You decide.

Michigamua 90
Michigamua 90
Reply to  Higgs Boson
8 days ago

I’m not the foil hat wearer, you are. They are your unsupported claims.

But I guess if this fiction helps you remain stable then we all benefit. Whereas your credibility matches Fox ratings.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  Michigamua 90
6 days ago

If you don’t like my thoughts, why don’t you unthink them?

trackback
8 days ago

[…] Read it. And listen to the podcast. […]

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
8 days ago

Dismantling the Master’s House: New Ways of Knowing for Equity and Social Justice in Health Profession Education

That paper’s title sounds very high brow… but when I see it I just imagine getting scammed that little bit harder in future.

Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
7 days ago

Anything that contains the phrase “new ways of knowing” is going to be some serious New Age woo-woo shit or some serious SJW shit. It’s the same airhead upper class white women that consume both too.

Member
8 days ago

I am only a few minutes into the podcast and that first segment on taking over the master’s house is a chilling reminder of what “health care” is going to be like in about five years. Holy crap.

Moe Noname
Moe Noname
Reply to  Arthur Sido
8 days ago

Words to the wise Z-Man readers: unless you can’t stop the bleeding DO NOT GO TO A HOSPITAL.
Voltaire said it best, “Dr.’s are here to keep the patient entertained until they recover on their own or the Dr. kills them.”

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Moe Noname
8 days ago

Admittedly, in Voltaire’s time this may well have been sage advice.

But yes, I take your point, medicine as practiced by the current crop is most probably on a decline – if for no other reason than the fact that there are simply too many people now, at least over here anyway.

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
Reply to  Moe Noname
8 days ago

Last June my brother received a call from the doctor about my 90 yo mother. She had dangerously low red blood cell count and needed to go the the hospital immediately. So he immediately hustled her off to the hospital because he trusts the medical system. Where she was isolated because of Covid restrictions. They decided to do some exploratory scope procedure which necessitated ending the blood thinners that she had been on for 15 years. Which “unexpectedly” led to a major stroke that left her paralyzed. Following that they decided that the low red blood count that had required… Read more »

Michigamua 90
Michigamua 90
Reply to  dinothedoxie
8 days ago

Sorry for your loss. Similar pattern for my late dad except in his instance a cascading chain of proved medical errors. State has a 250k cap on awards and after the lawyers got their cuts my stepmother received enough to subsist on for a few months while the medical industry still muddles along.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Moe Noname
8 days ago

Not to mention pick your pocket.

Anyone who’s dealt with elder care knows: they’re caring right up until the bills stop getting paid. Then it’s GTFO

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Moe Noname
8 days ago

No joke. At least as applied to military field medicine, I have always heard it wasn’t until well into the 20th century (WW II maybe?) that a wounded soldier’s odds of survival were better if he did not see the field medic. From what little I know of medical history, this has more than a ring of truth: It took a century or more to convince Doctors to wash their hands between patients, for crying out loud, this after the germ theory had been validated…

Mo'ray Washington
Reply to  Arthur Sido
8 days ago

no kidding. I have already been denied dental care and access to a primary care facility because of my refusal to wear masks.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Mo'ray Washington
8 days ago

Do we have to test to go see a dentist or doctor?

If the test is positive, do we have to quarantine for 14 days and re-test, despite the level of pain or bleeding?

Or can we just walk in, superspreading deplorability everywhere?

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Arthur Sido
8 days ago

Once, I was grandfathered into the care of a female orc PCP.

Don’t let it happen to you.

Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

It’s a brutal thing to say but – anything taken over by women goes to complete shit. Most people know they’ve taken over the medical profession in recent years but a lesser known issue is that many are being guided into fields like epidemiology and “bio-informatics”. Whenever you hear an “expert” predicting that 6 gorillion people are going to die in your town of 10,000 next month chances are it’s a young chick who’s sorta-kinda good at math but is really good at making scary looking graphs on the computer.

el-porko
el-porko
Reply to  pozymandias
8 days ago

It’s a brutal thing to say but – anything taken over by women goes to complete shit.

This is a giant elephant in the room. The ancients of all nations knew this from hard won experience, but the west has once again decided that this time it will be different.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  el-porko
8 days ago

This is one of the three big red pills, that women can’t do men’s roles anymore than men can give birth. It is often the hardest of the three.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  pozymandias
8 days ago

The 90s Twilight Zone series had an episode named “Lithia.” It was both feminist and yet a dose of realism: Imagine a post-apocalyse world that has only female humans (babies made by machine). Civilization is peaceful but low level of tech, no innovation. A man is discovered alive and thawed from suspended animation. Other than romantic interests, things seem to go well until Man begins to hook up the electric grid. The women are troubled. The episode ends with Man being forced back into suspension because reviving the old tech frightened the women, who believed that while it would be… Read more »

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

Here’s my story. I was visiting relatives and found out my blood pressure was really high (180/110). I went o an urgent care that said it was affiliated with the medical school I attended, so I felt good about that. The doctor never got without 12 feet of me, standing in the doorway. (This was pre-Covid.) She ordered an EKG and then told me I needed to start taking meds. Never examined me except the way you can examine anyone you are talking to. I must have used a word or phrase that caused her to say, “What do you… Read more »

Michigamua 90
Michigamua 90
Reply to  The Right Doctor
8 days ago

My wife was admitted to emergency care for a blood clot. I had zero discretion selecting the doctor. We happened to lottery Xir Vibrant MD. QueenishaLatrinus queried my wife, the whole time tapping her exposed fake fingernails on her teeth. And then touching my wife on the affected leg. I objected and was nearly thrown out. The hospital has a recording ban posted but I whipped out the phone and recorded video anyway. Despite her requests to cease I continued to video while reciting her past unhygenic practices. She treated my wife without saying another thing to me, permitted me… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
8 days ago

The still sputtering struggle over the contested election, as Z notes, offers up continuing and even more dramatic proof that The Swamp will stop at nothing to get their way. Their frauds, trickery and deceptions are now so obvious that all but the Woke true believers cannot but see the rampant corruption of the system. I don’t know whether or not they will prevail. But the current crop of shenanigans will only further polarize the opposing factions, to cement the divide between Red and Blue, and will only accelerate whatever discord or worse that may lie our country’s future.

Severian
8 days ago

Dunning-Kruger for the win. They remind me of nothing so much as professional academics, who consider themselves brilliant but whose ignorance of common life is so vast, it’s terrifying… and hilarious. One of my favorite grad school moments was listening to some very very very big name scholar lady going off on the military. Oh, she had grand plans, this armchair general. I couldn’t help bursting into laughter. When the pissed off broads in the room demanded to know what I found so funny, all I could say is “logistics.” None of them had any idea what that meant. Ladies… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Severian
8 days ago

What were here plans, if you don’t mind me asking?

When the pissed off broads in the room demanded to know what I found so funny, all I could say is “logistics.”

Did these women claim that your answer was misogynistic? Or that it was full of toxic masculinity? Anyway, good on you for saying it, I’d imagine it would have been immensely satisfying!

Severian
Reply to  OrangeFrog
8 days ago

I forget the details, but it was something to do with the role of women in the new Soviet Union. The Bolsheviks, of course, were all about “empowering” women (at least until the Bolshies secured power, after which Stalin told them to get back in the kitchen via a pimp hand that would make Iceberg Slim jealous, but that’s a tale for another day). So, you know, pretty much anything to do with military operations in Russia. They couldn’t claim my answer was misogynistic, because they had no idea what I was talking about. What could the difficulties of moving… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Severian
8 days ago

Severian, Funny you should say the “moving anything across the vast steppes” comment. Two days ago a couple of guys with no prior service were asking me why I didnt think women should be infantry. It was pointed out that there are women body-builders that could lift more than the average man and female UFC fighters that can subdue some men, marksmen females, etc. It was good natured questioning. Simple. An infantryman doesn’t need to be the best shot, muscled hulk, mixed martial arts, juggling 105mm howitzer shells… he needs to move with vigor and elan while being adequate at… Read more »

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Penitent Man
8 days ago

Penitent, it would not surprise me had you read Caesar’s commentaries, which I got around to this year. Those guys didn’t just do all of the things you mentioned every day, after marching those twenty miles they built an entire camp with stockade and ditch EVERY DAY, having to hew all of the logs themselves, which they then destroyed before they started marching again the next morning.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  The Right Doctor
8 days ago

Hello Doc, Hope you are well and the blood pressure issue you mentioned above is all taken care of. We’ve met, you and I. You know that I am not a large or impressive specimen of a man by any stretch. And yet as a fit 150 lb. younger version of me I was able to do all the above regularly. Add in the repeated and extended unhygienic and under supplied conditions I endured and I know that only a man can and should serve as an infantryman. Yessir, very familiar with the post Marion reformed legions. And those nightly… Read more »

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Penitent Man
8 days ago

I admire such who are true soldiers. For the rest of us, there was duty indoors, air conditioned, albeit at a primary nuclear target 😀

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
7 days ago

Nothing wrong with indoor AC, I might even argue you were smarter for having chosen that route. My point was that I was an average young man who became adequate at the tasks given me, but it was a myriad of tasks that would likely be unmanageable or survivable for 99% of women when the tasks were tallied as a whole. An insignificant number of females would be capable so as to render having them serve as infantry wouldn’t be worth the legion of disruption and problems that would go along with that. And like Zman says, “What kind of… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Severian
8 days ago

“…all I could say is “logistics.” Well, there are those times. But there are other times as well, and sometimes they are both scary and depressing. Back around 15-20 years ago, there was great discussion among the CS folk wrt computerized “voting”. We had those very folk who are now in academe and recognized as experts come and present seminars on the topic. At that time, they were all *against* such voting methods without some serious precautions. The pratfalls were numerous *and* predictable—even then. To make a long story short, everything they said would come to pass has come to… Read more »

bubba
bubba
8 days ago

So what’s the take on Tucker not buying the fraud claims?

Traitor or dissident?

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

Neither. Team Trump claims they have loads of evidence of widespread fraud. He is offering them the biggest platform on cable TV to present it to the public.
It is very close to time to shit or get off the pot.

bubba
bubba
Reply to  MikeCLT
8 days ago

Agreed. And I’m actually surprised someone as intelligent as Zman has bought into the “wholesale fraud” narrative.

It’s basically the Russiagate of the DR.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

Did I imagine 5 swing states where Trump had a commanding lead simultaneously shut down counting only to open up in the middle of the night to reveal the Cryptkeeper in the lead? Reality is getting harder to discern these days, I admit, but I do have a distinct memory of that peculiar unprecedented incident taking place.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Peabody
8 days ago

I was listening live on the East coast at 4 a.m. when they announced a thumb drive with 126,000 Biden votes found in PA after their “nap”.

Thumb drives. We all check the widdle boxes on the thumb drive.

Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

So when they stopped counting together, then ‘found’ – Al Franken style, a mountain of ‘Biden votes’ in the wee hours …. nada? No suspicions raised on your part?

As long as you want to question the intelligence of the host here — I ask: are you fucking brain dead?

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

It seams to me that multiple things are all true: 1) There was widespread coordinated fraud to select Biden. 2) Trumps lawyers sense that fraud and have some discoordinated evidence of it. 3) Trumps lawyers do not want to reveal exactly what they have because doing so will sour their legal case in court and allow the fraudsters to engage in countermeasures to prevent more evidence from emerging. 4) The legal case is actually very weak because of the intricacies of court proceedings around standing, evidenciary admissability and available relief. 5) Tucker is being a whiny bitch more interested in… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

Possibly, but the argument to the public is not what will change the results of the election. It’s the Courts that count. To release specifics which might identify witnesses and evidence is to give the opposition time to cover their tracks and “cancel” those witnesses. Tucker should know this. The rest of the media simply is working to extract opposition research.

WJ0216
WJ0216
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

You certainly are one spergy black piller.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  MikeCLT
8 days ago

What would be a good, clear piece of evidence?

One of the ballots with a perfect, laser-printed circle for Biden?

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

It would be very time consuming to drive around Atlanta, Milwaukee, Detroit and Philadelphia finding every Shauntaveous and Shaniqua who cast ballots in this election for the first time in their lives and ask them to sign an affidavit that they never completed or returned their mail in ballots for the 2020 election. There is also the chance many of them would lie.

Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  Barnard
8 days ago

“It would be very time consuming…”

— to fight World War II
— to find a better plan than bury my children in college loan debt
— to give a shit

Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

I’m told all the Biden ballots have perfect circles of tape exactly 6 feet apart.

SixxSigma
SixxSigma
Reply to  MikeCLT
8 days ago

This. Put up or shut up. And don’t tell me to trust the fucking plan either.

bubba
bubba
Reply to  SixxSigma
8 days ago

The one defining feature of the Trump presidency has been that everything was ABOUT to happen…but never did. Whether it’s Hillary getting locked up, emails, the Durham report, the troop withdrawals etc.

It’s like Trump left us with blue balls.

Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

Energy independence — you credit Obama?

I just paid $1.74.9 for Regular to fill up my truck. I filled my 500 gallon tank of home heating oil, lowest price in years, has been ongoing.

Se we are to what, credit Obama? Maybe credit Biden? He said he ‘saved the auto industry…’ after all.

Enerty independence didn’t happen with Bush ‘the oil man’. Nor Obama. And it did happen. Maybe your blue balls are simply because you have bad breath.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

Bubba,
I can’t tell of you are being sincere, are naive, or just having us on.

I think less than 1% of the posters here think Trump was the answer or the white knight.

I’m also quite open to the idea that the Progs, who have repeatedly told me that Our People are evil and need to be humiliated and replaced, aren’t entirely above fixing election results.

But do carry on.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
8 days ago

The AWRs attempted to depose Trump from the very moment he was elected. Could any reasonable person really believe those same people would cease and desist in a tight election where doing nothing might very well result in another four-year stint for the man they’ve spared no effort trying to topple?

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  MikeCLT
8 days ago

Beautiful evidence. Perfect evidence. Evidence like nobody has ever seen before. Phenomenal evidence. Phenomenal. We are building a case. A big beautiful case. And you know what? The Democrats are gonna pay for it. We are building it right now. Its beautiful. And its big. Really really big. Bigger than any case ever before. Its gonna come out. And its gonna be big. And you will say thats not possible! But I’m telling you, we have so much evidence. Like everywhere. Just laying around. And we are picking that evidence up and building a case. Its big. Beautiful. Shocking really.… Read more »

Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  MikeCLT
8 days ago

From another blog: Maria Bartiromo: How did you respond to Tucker Carlson? Did you get angry with the show because they texted you and asked you to provide evidence of what you’re alleging?Sidney Powell: No, I didn’t get angry with the request to provide evidence in fact I sent an affidavit to Tucker that I had not even attached to a pleading yet to help him understand the situation and I offered him another witness who could explain the mathematics of the statistical evidence far better than I can. I’m not really a numbers person. But he was very insulting,… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  MikeCLT
8 days ago

To be fair, this is litigation. You don’t tip your hand until you have to. Fuck the press, including Tucker – why does he want them to tip their hands early? Read the court transcript like everybody else prick. On top of that, in particular with a situation as explosive as this, judges hate “trying a case in the media” which is exactly what Tucker is tempting them to do. It would be the perfect reason for a Court to dismiss a lot of things. With the establishment already against them, they cannot make any faux pas. The process is… Read more »

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Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  c matt
8 days ago

Exactly. Joe Normie that has never been in a courtroom nor directed a legal team has no clue. Let your opponents issue press releases. Your people grind them up with evidence, motions and arguing in open court. Nothing else matters.

This focus on Rudy’s hair, or sweat is just a replay of how the general public was conned by the made for TV Kennedy-Nixon debate. Read THAT transcript. It was all about Nixon’s appearance.

Before there was uninformed Joe Normie there was the sheep-like General Public.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  c matt
8 days ago

It is not just litigation. It is a PR battle as well.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  MikeCLT
8 days ago

It is, but you are asking them to make the fatal mistake of all non-lawyers (and even some lawyers) who get their legal education from Perry Mason re-runs: trying to get the other side’s witness to win the case for them. The media (including Tucker) is not their friend – it is the other side. The media belongs to the enemy. The only thing you can do with the enemy is discredit/sow doubt about them which Trump has already done. Why give them time to run a propaganda campaign against the evidence before it is even submitted? Save the evidence… Read more »

Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  c matt
8 days ago

Well said. Using my own experience in Federal Court proceedings again, and having seen what six figures in preparation buys — inches thick — for a plaintiff that gets the jump. The idea that dealing with this kind of thing is, as the Ellis lady lawyer put it, ‘not an episode of Law and Order…’ The sad fact is most here, the public are ill informed, bordering on dumb. Tring to explain things to such stupid people as are in our midst, even on ‘our side’ is a fool errand. Back to case experience. These things take a LOT of… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Arcadian
8 days ago

Disclaimer: I know almost nothing. For each State, isn’t the final decision the sole right of its legislature (to affirm the State’s electors to the electoral college?) If this is so, what can all the lawyering up accomplish? If this is true, then a crooked Legislature could vote for any electors they want, the popular vote be damned. Or, perhaps, a Legislature could vote being informed by proven fraud in their State’s elections. History offers some interesting outcomes: Supreme Court decides (2000), or US Congress elects Prez & VP. (19th century). We live in interesting times.

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  c matt
8 days ago

Bear in mind that the same people who pay Tucker also pay the two women who paused, listened, and got their orders to cut off Newt when he mentioned Soros.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  The Right Doctor
8 days ago

Doc, there is a name for women that will do unsavory things at an order for pay. And it isn’t limited to women either.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  c matt
8 days ago

Except deadlines.

Or should we just start arresting the Biden-deniers, too?

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bubba
bubba
Reply to  c matt
8 days ago

So what you’re saying is….4D chess?

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  MikeCLT
7 days ago

But why? If you’re preparing a complex and lengthy court case, why on earth would you tip-off your opponent in advance about your evidence, thus enabling them to start preparing a rebuttal before the proceedings have even started?
I don’t know whether Mr. Trump and his legal team are bluffing or serious but I am getting a bit suspicious about all these petulant demands to “show us the evidence now”.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

Tucker called it straight. That press conference was a shit show. Horrible optics, and thin gruel backing sweeping allegations.

Not that it isn’t all true, but once ballots are counted they are difficult to un-count. Circumstantial evidence, even statistical evidence, is not enough when all the institutions are lined up against you.

The truth is, Tucker was never a big fan of Trump. He was a big fan of trumps agenda, at least the one he ran on in 2016.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
8 days ago

Lin Wood claimed a few days ago that Trump won with 70% of the true vote and should have won over 400 electoral votes. The biggest blowouts of the 20th Century came in around 60%. These people are self discrediting so badly you wonder if they have been put up to it. I hope he doesn’t do this in Kyle Rittenhouse’s defense.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Barnard
7 days ago

You don’t think that margin of victory is possible considering Biden is a creepy dementia case who represents a party that openly hates the country and the 60% of the population that is white?

Maybe no one ever won by that margin before, because no one ever ran against an antiWhite, anti-American pedophile with dementia before..

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
8 days ago

Lin Wood and Sidney Powell seem extremely confident. What I keep thinking is why would they put their reputations at risk if they had nothing? They’ll be heroes in the history books if they can beat them.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Wolf Barney
8 days ago

These are not newbie nobody lawyers. Making claims like that, and coming up empty (in the sense you have no evidence, not in the sense of a Court ruling against you – courts are just as crooked as any other politician) is not the type of risk they would take, unless they intend this to be the swan song of their (and their firms’) careers.

Michigamua 90
Michigamua 90
Reply to  c matt
8 days ago

Disbarred, imprisoned and pauperized. I try federal civil cases and can assure you these thoughts are in the back of my mind when I am up there. Which makes me wonder what Giuliani was thinking during the presser while his hair was leaking.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Wolf Barney
8 days ago

They may win in court, but the end game for a Trump win is to have several states throw out their electors votes and appoint their own directed delegates.

I can confidently predict this will never happen. The uniparty, and the mass media, has spoken. Trump is out, Kamala is in.

Discussing the electoral college is too much for the average citizen; getting into the weeds with too much inside baseball about never exercised parts of the Constitution isn’t going to fly with the average:

“But…’muh popular vote!!” citizen.

Brings me no pleasure to say it, but Trump is toast.

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CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
8 days ago

Tucker believes he has more “power” than he does. He is meaningless in any attempt to change the election results and he can’t seem to accept that. I also suspect he seems to think he’s being slighted. It’s the Courts that count, Tucker and 10 more like him can’t do shit.

B125
B125
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

Simple:

Tucker wants to lead the “nationalist-populist” “movement” with an expanded fox news show and maybe run in 2024.

Once trump is out of the way he feels he can play a leading role.

He’s wrong, of course, but that’s where he’s coming from.

Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  B125
8 days ago

He just revealed himself as a bowtie nerd, with that girly giggle. He isn’t “leading” anything.

3-2-1 he is about to roll over to protect his paycheck. You, sir, and yours are somewhere far, far down the food chain from his paycheck.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Arcadian
8 days ago

Yeah. Tucker wants to get a nice paycheck to play controlled opposition . As such he ends up as Cucker Carlson rather quickly.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  B125
8 days ago

Your Tucker scenario would not surprise me. We also see such a misunderstanding with other supposed “Conservative” pundits attempting to put to bed this election and move on to the “great turnaround of 2024”—where conservative values will once again prevail over an awakened public.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  CompscI
8 days ago

Yup, the Republicans are already trying to tempt Trump into a political show-career. “He could come back in 2024!”

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago

paid stooge. always has been.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  bubba
8 days ago
  1. Joe Biden was so popular he received more votes than any President in history
  2. Democrats lost seats in the House and every “contested” house seat went to Republicans.

Both can’t be true. Fraud is obvious.

There’s what you know, and what you can prove, however. Looks like the mechanisms to resolve this are broken beyond belief. A voting Republic only works if good citizens man it: this is clearly gone, and only going to get worse.

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Mo'ray Washington
Member
8 days ago

I am getting emails from a group I belonged to who meet for a recreational activity. We usually meet in the early summer/late spring. Now, because of the plague, they want to meet in July. Understand, thats 9 months away. a year and a half from the start of Covid mania. They all insist, on this email chain, of wearing masks, presenting testing proof, and even eating out doors and keeping the windows open for our activity (central atlantic state in july!). These are many DC area STEM people in this crowd. NIH, micro biologists, chemists, engineers. All are gaga… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Mo'ray Washington
8 days ago

These are many DC area STEM people in this crowd. NIH, micro biologists, chemists, engineers. All the people I know most easily hoodwinked by The Greatest Chinese Virus are from similar ‘educated’ professions. The biggest mistake we can make is assuming that anyone in these professions is immune to propaganda. They aren’t. Like most edu-ma-cated folks, they are cowardly. They don’t need to be leaned on too hard to toe the line; they will be frowned upon by their well heeled friends otherwise. Most working men I know called rubbish on this months back. It is true that these men… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  OrangeFrog
8 days ago

Hear, hear. We have arrived at a place where its purported elite blindly obey and either outright believe ridiculous propaganda or pretend to do so. It is the hallmark of all totalitarian systems.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
8 days ago

Not a lot of Bravehearts among these types.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  David Wright
8 days ago

that’s what i was thinking.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  OrangeFrog
8 days ago

As they say in STEM, the fundamental forces of the universe are Gravity, Electromagnetism, Weak Force, Strong Force and Funding. And the greatest of these is Funding.

JD EEeeeee
JD EEeeeee
Reply to  OrangeFrog
8 days ago

Spoken as a stem/legal hybrid myself, we learned to live with tunnel vision insofar as what was required to attain our pedigree compelled exclusion of the aspects of life deigned unnecessary, such as news outside our professional domains. Politics got thrown overboard and we simply adopted the political perspective of our mentors and peers for convenence rather than taking precious time to think through positions and engage. For many, it’s just easier to stay the course.

Severian
Reply to  Mo'ray Washington
8 days ago

I know lots of medical people. They all know it’s bullshit. And yet, they do it anyway. STEM = nerds and nerds = the worst kind of wannabe conformists. Mask mandates are their chance — finally!!! — to be in the in crowd, so they’re jumping on it with both feet.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Severian
8 days ago

Maybe they’ll get invited to the French Laundry for a riotous dinner with Gov. Newsome- like the directors of California Medical Advisory Board were.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Mo'ray Washington
8 days ago

Those furry costumes get so hot, I hear!

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Vizzini
8 days ago

Made me spit my coffee out. The joke was good, the coffee crap, so it’s a win-win.

Good one.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Mo'ray Washington
8 days ago

These are many DC area STEM people in this crowd. NIH, micro biologists, chemists, engineers. All are gaga for masks, but most strikingly, for long term covid acceptance.

You could have just written, “incompetents.”

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Mo'ray Washington
8 days ago

Yeah, I work in a medical LAB, full of people who otherwise know their stuff. And yes, they are all-in on the masks. Funny thing is, the more credentialed you are, the more faith you put in other people’s credentials.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Outdoorspro
8 days ago

They have to, don’t they? To deny the other is to deny yourself.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  KGB
8 days ago

Years ago I read of several studies after the Vietnam war looking at why the working class didn’t support the war as much as the edu-mah-cated. It is a generalization to be sure, but these people’s personal identities and self-worth were tied up in their being validated members of a successful system. If the system failed so badly, it gave them the feel-bads.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
8 days ago

They could have easily co-opted Trump, by cutting some deals with him.  As you may have seen here in my comments and in pieces I have written elsewhere, this is what perplexes me most. Why didn’t they co-opt Trump? It would have made the movement he spawned so much less potent. He could have been easily manipulated but, nah bro, they made a really bad enemy in him. Perhaps they were afraid Trump would discover things he apparently never found out or revealed. Maybe it wasn’t a rational reason at all. Simple hubris, moral panic, or some other deranged motive… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

I think the reason they didn’t co-opt Trump is part of the reason the Never Trump issue of National Review was written. They truly hate both him and us. They think he is vulgar and doesn’t share their tastes. It was also embarrassing to them the way we rejected the establishment choices in 2016 and they were angry at the way Rubio and Jeb got humiliated. They want to crush us so it never happens again. They aren’t forward thinking enough to see what problems will develop from these choices.

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Horace
Horace
Reply to  Barnard
8 days ago

Arrogance beyond a certain point becomes indistinguishable from stupidity.

B125
B125
Reply to  Jack Dobson
8 days ago

They’re on the cusp of permanent control due to demographics anyways. Trump is pretty clueless, he wants to expand H1-B and legalize the DACA aliens.

If I were running the Dems I would just lay low and take the L for 8 years, prevent any structural changes, and then with a little fraud beat whatever loser the GOP runs in 2024.

But then again I’m smart enough to know that you don’t get Hispanic support by calling them Latinx Peoplx. The people running the Dems are stupid – but very powerful and dangerous.

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  B125
8 days ago

Others have stated Biden/Harris may be the, “Dead Zone,” administration.

B125
B125
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

Can you elaborate on the dead zone?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  B125
8 days ago

“The missiles are flying… Hallelujah!”

https://youtu.be/Tj9M34DzAKo

Crispin
Crispin
Reply to  B125
8 days ago

Who is the Martin Sheen character?
Who is the Christopher Walken character?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Crispin
8 days ago

For me, Kams is Sheen.

In another popular property she was known as the Whore of Babylon.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  B125
8 days ago

Dagnab, I saw that in theater- a young man comes out of a coma, able to see Future Hitler pressing the button, right?

My bad. Future Trump.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  B125
8 days ago

I think Forever Templar, with his experience in executive security for that crowd, could tell us a bit about how addlepated, yet dangerous, those in power are.

BTP
Member
8 days ago

Hatred, like love, will make you do things without exterior motivation. It will even make you bear great costs to either help or harm the object. We are completely beyond politics, here. We aren’t voting our way out of this, neither are we going to be able to retreat and regroup – the orcs will follow you to Helm’s Deep, frens. We are living in a revolutionary moment which, like the revolutionary movements of the 20th century, are driven by hatreds because they are the same. Instead of Washington, we have trump, which should give you an idea of just… Read more »

SixxSigma
SixxSigma
8 days ago

Is anyone else finding themselves more or less indifferent to all this election stuff? Like, I haven’t been paying attention to it at all. I’m just numb to it. It all reeks of 4D chess, Qtards and other trust-the-plan types. The Four Seasons Landscaping debacle was cringe-inducing. I’m not holding my breath for a second. Downvote away, but I’m just being honest. Tucker apparently called out Powell for a crumb of evidence the other night and was rebuked. I’m beginning to understand why normies just want to chill and grill. It’s exhausting. Perhaps that’s the intent.

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B125
B125
Reply to  SixxSigma
8 days ago

No.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  SixxSigma
8 days ago

I’m starting to get this awful feeling this is all just the greatest kayfabe of all-time.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

A worked shoot, if you will.

Gunner Q
Reply to  SixxSigma
8 days ago

Yep. I don’t have a dog in the fight because I live in Commiefornia and Trump never lifted a finger against Sacramento’s open sedition against him when he had the chance. There is no escaping what’s coming.

I want Biden to lose because he cheated, but that doesn’t give me any happy illusions about Mister Make Israel Great Again either.

Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  Gunner Q
8 days ago

Maybe $10.00 gasoline and heating oil will perk you up.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Arcadian
8 days ago

My general fear as well, however such affects most everyone else as well, Dem supporters and Rep supporters. So that’s a countervailing point.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Arcadian
8 days ago

we don’t use heating oil here. my furnace went out last year and i went all winter without it 🙂 but that was an unusually mild winter…

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Karl McHungus
8 days ago

Here in FL, I am in an all-electric home with an ageing heat pump. Like you, I rarely heat in the winter. Cooling is virtually the only system use, costing about 40% of total electric. Recently I considered replacing the system. I checked prices etc. I discovered two things: the higher cost for the higher efficiency SEER systems is not worth it (30 year payback time, for a system with a life expectancy of 10-15 years!); if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I’ll keep my current fossil system, minor repairs as needed, until it dies a horrible death 🙂

Pin Cushion
Pin Cushion
Reply to  Arcadian
8 days ago

And the umpteenth chills and spasms accompanying your mandatory covid vaccinations.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Arcadian
8 days ago

I don’t want low prices. I want my country back.

Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  SixxSigma
8 days ago

I saw the Tucker broadcast you reference and it seems apparent to me Carlson is under pressure to roll over. Just look how blatant it is at Fox already. With multiple federal cases under my belt that dragged on 1+ years, I understand your mental fatigue. I also understand that there are far stronger people, have hired them, worked with them to prevail in the cases I dealt with in my business life. Usually I had to make judgement calls about who the weaklings were as they cannot be counted on under pressure. You really are better off being honest,… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Arcadian
8 days ago

Tucker, it seems, is walking the tightrope. Laura Ingraham and Rush, too.

Laura had the audacity to mention Klaus Schwab’s Great Reset, that conspiracy theory with its own book, articles, and department at the United Nations.

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Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  SixxSigma
8 days ago

As soon as the counts were stopped, I stopped paying attention, thinking something like: *Ah, 1960. I read about this.* The big elections since then have been nearly legitimate, or at least looked that way. But traditionally they’re fake, and why pretend? Nobody can stop it. Even explaining what happened seems impossible now that we’ve been made stupid. Numerical arguments confuse even the people making them, the law is unknown even to judges, and speaking narratively—sharing a “conspiracy theory”—is forbidden. When I was a little kid we learned in school that Edgar Allan Poe’s death was an election-fraud-related mystery. Interesting… Read more »

Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  Hemid
8 days ago

“Ah, 1960. I read about this…”

This puts you ahead of 99% of the talking heads as they are coming at this as if Trump’s team is trying to prove something that never, ever, ever happened before. Instead of just a better run Joe Kennedy, Lydon Johnson election theft.

Really, it’s all based on the lowest common denominator of the audience as being around a 2nd grade level. Maybe not that high.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  SixxSigma
8 days ago

When Z spoke of the perspective you gain with the passing years all I could think of are the Congressional hearings staged for clips that can be used by both parties’ candidates in their reelection bids w/o ever doing anything for their respective bases. Each party has had times where they controlled both Houses and the Presidency and never delivered for their constituents, but always deliver for the donors.

B125
B125
8 days ago

Lmaooooo I was laughing too hard during the xirl science paper.

But notice, most of the authors are hindu and “south asian”.

Laughs aside, we are fucked, nobody hates you more than “brown people” and they’re our future doctors.

Drake
Drake
8 days ago

I used to bomb comments at Reason until the great exodus 4 years ago. I don’t even bother peeking in there any more. About that time, they lost a lot of their contributors and sold out to the Koch’s.

spinning tigers
spinning tigers
8 days ago

they don’t think rationally that’s the problem,,like the little kid who spends an hour weaseling out of doing his homework when if he’d sat down and done it, it would have taken 10 minutes, they just have the con mans brain,,

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  spinning tigers
8 days ago

I was once that little kid. (-:

Marko
Marko
8 days ago

I’m going to submit this to the Atlanta poetry slam (and probably win):
The Mona Lisa’s ugly
Western ways’ll bug me
I ain’t being colonized
You got times tables memorized?
Equations are white
The forest gives me fright
The wheel is overrated
My hair demands you praise it
My politics’ll freak ya
Vote President Shaniqua
Emancipation
Demonstration
Reparation
Gyration
COP SAYS HANDS UP!
(Drops mic)

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Marko
8 days ago

Very good, but the meter and the rhymes make it too close to actual poetry to pass as authentic.

Moss
Member
Reply to  Marko
8 days ago

Waaay too many white words in there. And your spelling is excellent. Sorry, too white.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Marko
8 days ago

Bravo Sir!

Milestone D
Milestone D
Reply to  Marko
6 days ago

I’m not sure how or why I remember it, but I distinctly remember having to read something in college freshman english class (25+ years ago) that reads a whole lot like your slam poetry. A few minutes digging through my bookshelf … found it: “Cultural Etiquette: A Guide” by Amoja Three Rivers. Published in Ms magazine in (!) 1991. What we are seeing now is a trailing edge of the cultural marxist slog through the institutions; this rot has been metastasizing for 30+ years. Anyway, what you offer as a joke has been academically celebrated for decades.

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
8 days ago

I think that Z has missed a paradigm shift. Covering up the fraud to maintain the respectability of the system was the old paradigm – which required a lot of leg work, created unintended consequences and risked exposure. The new paradigm is just denying reality. It requires tight coordination of media and a high degree of gullibility for a large percentage of the general public. Both of which exist in America today. So the Dems flat out steal the election in a ham handed way and then their media jesters waiver their hands and say there’s nothing to see here,… Read more »

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  dinothedoxie
8 days ago

Both of which exist in America today.

I was having thoughts along these lines last night.

The American public is now so degenerate even proof of massive fraud won’t matter.

This is why the laptop never got much traction. People just don’t care anymore because the Overton window had already been shifted so much by Clinton and Weinstein

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

At some level I don’t know why people on the left even bother to deny the fraud.

If you thought your opponent was literally Hitler – which a lot of the useful idiots actually believe about Trump. Wouldn’t you be proud of getting rid of him with fraud, non violently?

Arcadian
Arcadian
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
8 days ago

“The American public is now so degenerate even proo