Election Math

Note: I have a Thanksgiving themed post up at Taki this week. I have a long essay in my long promised on the subject of the Puritan Question. This a small taste.


An iron rule of the universe is that anything that has value will inevitably be forged or stolen, usually both. This is especially true of elections, because the election promises to bestow the most valuable thing of all to the ruling class. Elections give the ruling class legitimacy. As a result, every American election has had irregularities. Whether it is the Democrats calling out the dead vote or Democrats busing in illegal’s to vote in the suburbs, Democrats have been gaming elections since forever.

This most recent election may set a record for irregularities. It is hard to know if the claims being made by Trump are real. Trump’s track record on truth telling is not great, but even putting his claims aside, this election has more strange angles than any election in American history. Too many states have had ballots magically appear in the middle of the night or last minute rule changes that favor one side. When this happens in the third world, the West demands new election.

Here’s a bit of data that should jump off the page. In the modern era, no incumbent that has increased his vote total from the previous election has lost. Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and Bush all won reelection by increasing their vote total from their first election victory. Obama saw a slight down turn in his vote total, but his 2008 victory was landslide. Trump increased his vote by 17% over his 2016 total, 73,763,979 versus 62,984,828, yet his vote share declined and he lost.

To call this unprecedented is a wild understatement. A contested election between two new candidates generates a lot of interest. Elections with an incumbent are referenda on the person holding the seat. If people are happy with him, his vote total goes up. The voters now have more certainty about the man. If the voters are not happy, then his vote total goes down, as people who voted for him sit out or vote against him.

What the vote totals are telling us this time is that millions of people who did not vote for Trump in 2016 either came out to vote for the first time in their life in 2020 or switched from opposing him to supporting him. Yet, despite millions being happy with his term in office, millions more were so outraged that they came out of nowhere to vote against Trump. The improbability of this is hard to overstate.

This brings up probably the most absurd anomaly in election history. According to the official narrative, Joe Biden brought in close to 15 million new voters. The last four elections saw the following vote totals: 121,056,394, 129,390,000, 126,035,116,   128,824,246. The vote total for 2020 was 153,548,144. If we net out the 11 million extra who voted for Trump, we are being told that the vibrant and exciting Joe Biden, a man who could not win a primary, added 15 million new voters.

Everywhere else in life, an extreme outlier is a red flag that warrants investigation, because it suggests something unexpected has happened. If a sprinter shows up at an international event and runs a sub-nine second 100-meters, his life will be torn apart on the assumption he is cheating. If it snows in July, people are going to wonder if the gods are angry at us for some reason. When things don’t follow the normal patterns, people naturally wonder why. Can you spot the oddity here?

 Election Year US Population Total Vote % of Population
1948      146,600,000      48,399,989 33%
1952      157,600,000      61,093,955 39%
1956      168,900,000      61,319,768 36%
1960      180,700,000      68,334,742 38%
1964      191,900,000      69,972,432 36%
1968      200,700,000      72,514,998 36%
1972      209,900,000      75,645,594 36%
1976      218,000,000      79,973,609 37%
1980      226,500,000      84,843,024 37%
1984      235,800,000      92,032,260 39%
1988      244,500,000      90,695,171 37%
1992      256,900,000    103,756,701 40%
1996      269,700,000      94,686,514 35%
2000      282,200,000    104,338,854 37%
2004      292,800,000    121,056,394 41%
2008      304,100,000    129,390,000 43%
2012      313,900,000    126,035,116 40%
2016      323,100,000    128,824,246 40%
2020      331,000,000    153,548,144 46%

Now, the claim will be that the public was so outraged over the terrible Donald Trump that people who had never voted came out to vote for Biden. The plausibility of that claim is undermined by the fact that we have no example of this. The pattern is that the unpopular incumbent sees his voters either stay home of vote against him. Carter lost 13% of his vote in 1976. Bush lost 20% of his vote in 1992. We’re supposed to believe that Trump increased his vote by 17% because people were angry?

Compounding all of this is the fact that exactly no one found evidence of this in their polling in the run-up to the election. It is one of the things that pollster try to gauge when doing a poll. How enthusiastic are the voters for each guy? Trump had a big lead in enthusiasm, which was obvious in the final weeks. He was speaking to massive rallies, while Biden was speaking to empty parking lots. Apparently, those enthusiastic Biden voters really went out of their way to conceal themselves.

Of course, the basic vote totals make the post-election analysis about why Trump lost sound rather ridiculous. You cannot seriously claim he failed to appeal to his voters in some way when he increased his vote total by 17%. That means we have to believe that an 80-year old dementia patient inspired millions to vote for the first time, because Trump did not appeal to his base enough. That’s the sort of logic you get from people who want attention, not answers.

Now, we will hear a lot about the “Tucker Carlson standard” where any questioning of the system must include incontrovertible proof. That is just an effort to create a false dichotomy in order to avoid explaining the weird anomalies about this election. Where the facts lead us is to shift the burden of proof. The principle of parsimony says that something very unusual went on during the voting and counting process. It is on the defenders of the process to explain what happened.

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Epaminondas
Member
2 months ago

The thing about mathematics is that it is non-partisan. Strangely enough, the left keeps trying to enlist math. The numbers seem to be resolutely resisting their progressive charms.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 months ago

Everything is now partisan

Last edited 2 months ago by Marko
skeptic16
skeptic16
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 months ago

I though it was a well-established fact that math is racist.

Mo'ray Washington
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 month ago

I love effin science?

skeptic16
skeptic16
Reply to  Mo'ray Washington
1 month ago

I effin march for science! Wearing a pussy hat.

Diversity Heretic
Member
2 months ago

Another anomaly of the election is that the Democrats lost seats in the House of Representatives in the same election as a Democrat won the presidency. That’s very unusual–the normal pattern is for a candidate to have “coattails” that help his party’s candidates to win. Presidents tend to lose seats in off-year elections. The lack of coattails might be explained if a very charismatic candidate won an election even though his party’s policies were not popular, but that’s clearly not the case with Biden/Harris. The most likely explantion is that the ballot stuffing and miscounting that went on were directed… Read more »

RDittmar
Member
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
2 months ago

I think stealing the election only for Biden was a deliberate part of the plan. The Dems knew that the nut-less wonders in the GOPe would immediately get onboard with the theft as long as a few of their beaks stay wet. It will be interesting to see if the Left openly steals these Senate seats in GA now. If they get away with stealing the Presidency there’s little to stop them from going all out to steal the Senate.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  RDittmar
2 months ago

Stealing both of these Senate seats is a best case scenario for the fast collapse outcome. It will be like a junkie going on his last bender, the descent to the bottom will be quick and definitive. Very likely all of the debt bubbles will explode in quick succession and DC will then tax the dead corpse of the economy into final submission. Real hardship will return and then it’s either World War time or the Fall of the US Empire. Fitness selection coming on like a freight train. Are you ready?

B125
B125
Reply to  TomA
2 months ago

If I lived in georgia I would vote Democrat just as a middle finger to the corrupt and traitorous Republicans.

However, if they could rig the election for Biden, theres no reason they couldn’t rig the election for a GOP senator, to keep the illusion of a 2 party democracy going.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  B125
1 month ago

Yeah, that would be 4D chess kind of shit indeed. Either way, any sane person now knows that voting is a fools errand. But habits die hard and plenty of normies will flock to polls to appease their conscience.

Hoosier Mama
Hoosier Mama
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

I will continue to vote in every election because even if they cancel or reverse my ballot decisions then I will still be a consideration they must account for.

If I do not vote, I am empty space, a non-entity, and a zero they do not have to account for any longer.

Hold your nose and make them work for it. Showing up in person to vote can indirectly influence events; sitting around with one thumb up your arse and the other scrolling here contributes zero influence.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Hoosier Mama
1 month ago

Fair enough, but the other side of the coin is a reasonable response as well—voting implies consent. To me consent can only be given in a “fair game”. It is obvious the game is rigged—you can’t win, you can’t break even, hell, you can’t even quit the game (if folks who are touting democracy are to be believed). Well, I quit. No more. Want to get me back in the game Republicans (and any honest Dem’s)? Then make substantive and demonstrable changes to the present system of voting. Just that simple. Of course, this will never happen as long as… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  CompscI
1 month ago

Very well said. I do not consent to participate in a rigged game of pretend voting. I do not consent to being part of the ‘polity’ of Weimerica. I do not consent to living in clownworld.

Dan
Dan
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

The leftists that rule over us would like nothing better than having conservatives not vote. You can vote and understand that it is only one avenue of several to pursue. It feels like a bunch of incels over here, hating women because they got rejected a few times. Those men who are successful (and everyone for that matter) have racked up tons of rejection. Trump did win the presidency. He appointed three actual conservatives to the Supreme Court. He stayed the hell out of wars, had a successful economy and imposed considerable rule of law with the border. If people… Read more »

Member
Reply to  CompscI
1 month ago

I think the way this works in corrupt third world states is that if you have any ambition you work on buying off the local party bosses in your area and can then set about ignoring the law. So the system here would be that the Democratic Institutional Revolutionary Party gives the Karens and soyboys their mask rules for instance, and then businesses and individuals just pay someone off to go about their normal lives sans masks. It just turns into an informal tax system where local thugs get a cut of the prosperity that can actually only exist in… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  pozymandias
1 month ago

Yea, immigrants have a lot of first hand experience dealing with corrupt destructive governments.

YT still thinks “the government is us”

Dan
Dan
Reply to  CompscI
1 month ago

Voting doesn’t imply consent. If you don’t vote, you are accepting your lot. The best answer is not to throw away all remaining power. The best answer is to try your best with voting and also other avenues. Protests, legal action, building communities, supporting important voices, all of it. I try to do all I can. You aren’t guaranteed to win, but the surest way to lose is not to show up. Would Trump have a win right now if every conservative had voted for him? Of course. Folks imagine they are ruled over and hopeless. This is pathetic. Republicans… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Hoosier Mama
1 month ago

You are apparently new here and unfamiliar with my recommendations for making an actual difference. When you show up to vote and think you are forcing them to cheap to an ever increasing degree, you are not really deterring them, you are making them into better cheaters.

Last edited 1 month ago by TomA
Dan
Dan
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

Urging conservatives not to vote is something leftists would advise.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Hoosier Mama
1 month ago

nah, got to kill the GOP to have a chance at getting rid of the dem crime machine. enjoy your stay in the matrix…

Dan
Dan
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

If the nationalist right refuses to vote they cede the conservative party to the Mitt Romneys of the world. I just threw up a little in my mouth thinking about that.

Dan
Dan
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

Voting has stopped many harebrained immigration schemes in over the years. What would America look like without that?

Dan
Dan
Reply to  B125
1 month ago

The GOP has fought for real conservatives many times. They allowed Trump to be their candidate and their President, for goodness sake. Throwing in the towel is pathetic. I’ll keep voting and keep trying. If Trump can give so much effort every day, we can do so much less.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
1 month ago

I thought that the dems losing house seats even as they won the presidency was sure evidence of fraud. So I looked at the past 50 years worth of house results in presidential election years. And was surprised to see that the winning presidential candidate party lost house seats about half the time.

Montefrío
Member
2 months ago

“It is on the defenders of the process to explain what happened.”
Just so. Will an explanation be provided? Not looking to go Guiness for longest-held-breath.
Unless Sidney Powell does have very convincing evidence re Dominion, the dem steamroller is likely to pancake her and many, many others. Should this take place, my faith in the solidity of USA as a nation will be lost.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Montefrío
2 months ago

It takes this for you to lose faith? Where have you been?

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  David Wright
2 months ago

I’ve been in South America for a long time and will continue to be. I should have written “faith in human decency in the USA”, a faith that in spite of everything I contined to hold, shaky though it has become. The USA has clearly changed more than I understood. I imagine I’d have lost it earlier were I there.

Yak-15
Yak-15
2 months ago

I am pretty sure that Sydney Powell is paid opposition who will talk about election fraud being likely and then somehow find none. Or she will only find small batches of fraud that are inconsequential. You cannot be too cynical, as ZMan says.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

she caught it off Schumer or Schiff

Hun
Hun
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

There’s no such thing as “paid opposition.”

All conservative pundits are paid opposition. I thought that was obvious to everybody here.

William Middleton
William Middleton
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

ZMan,
Do you think Sidney Powell is in it for the grift (she has set up her own grifter website) or do you think she has truly gone insane? I’m inclined toward the former but you can’t rule out the latter.

Also, does the Right suffer from a higher degree of grifters than the Left? My guess is yes but not sure if people have any other thoughts.

Starboard
Starboard
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

What’s Lin Wood’s excuse? He’s now actively undermining the two GOP Senate candidates for their lack of fealty to Wood and Powell’s delusional ravings.

Is he a secret Democrat or just publicity-crazed.

If the latter it won’t end well for him.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Yak-15
2 months ago

As soon as I heard a few statements in that trembling voice, I knew it was over.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  David Wright
2 months ago

As soon as I heard her mumbling something about “algorithms” I knew it was over.

William Middleton
William Middleton
Reply to  Peabody
2 months ago

She claimed that Trump broke the algorithm and that there was a raid on a server in Germany and “our guys” got it. The libel suits by Dominion are going to be astronomical. Maybe she truly went insane?

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Yak-15
2 months ago

My hunch is she may have been gaslit on purpose. Her history is not of getting over her skis. Taking her out as legitimate opposition would be a very smart move by the Leftists.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Yak-15
2 months ago

She knows the vote is ginned up, and is trying to get out front in showing how it was done. Whether or not she can make a case, we will see. I have doubts she can get there in time, if at all.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Dutch
2 months ago

The Trump team have already decided on a path to victory via the mail-in ballot fraud. It’s good to have strong statistical evidence the computers are rigged, but since they don’t have time for a thorough software/hardware investigation, the Trump team is going to let Powell keep pursuing it on her own. She understands and agrees with the plan. Those computers are definitely a problem. Steve Cortez gave a great explanation this morning on Newsmax.

BaselessFacts
BaselessFacts
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 months ago

The Plan?
Are you serious?

Biden is President in 57 days.
Start planning around that.
Interesting front runner for SECDEF; the 2d most corrupt woman in America; Michelle Flournoy. Lol.

Happy Days are here again…

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  GetBackUp
1 month ago

Keep your fingers crossed. This could bring down a lot of people. It could change the course of history. Or not.

Bridges Up
Bridges Up
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 month ago

A thorough investigation? Computer forensics can be rendered extremely fast as compared with paper.

Lightning fast if you have NSA recording and building a 3D holographic data picture on every server communicating via webz in foreign countries.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Reply to  Bridges Up
1 month ago

only if NSA answers toTrump…
if they’re independent of him,thte way the CIA apparently is, then all bets are off.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Yak-15
2 months ago

Powell is a clear and present danger to the GOPe because she intends to expose their culpability in the coup and election theft. People like Romney will go to prison if she succeeds. Trump’s legal team is trying to finesse things so that these treasonous bastards can skate and still recover the election.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  TomA
2 months ago

One lawyer, or a small group of lawyers, funded by donations, cannot possibly go against the establishment uniparty.

I wish it were not so.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

The SPLC would like a word with you. And the NRDF, Sierra, NAACP, Greenpeace, blah blah ad nauseum. Lawfare works, stop being a jackass of doom.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

The SPLC has something like a half billion dollar endowment.
They’ve (as well as the other grifters you’ve mentioned) been at it for decades, and half, if not more, of the political establishment backs them without question.

But yeah, send Sydney Powel $20. That should work. Money well spent.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

You think they started with 300 attorneys at 1/2 a billion? Or do you think they started back in the 30’s, 40’s, and 50’s, and worked for decades to build up what are no extreme left institutions with huge cultural and legal power? You seem to be falling into the “I can’t get total victory in 6 months, let’s just not try” category there. Despair is a sin, my man. Send Powel $20, go ahead; not being sarcastic. We raised $2,000,000 for Saint Kyle of Kenosha’s bail – USDC filing fees are what, $450? $2k a deposition? You can do… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

All of those groups are basically in cahoots with elements of the deep state. They’re not winning against hard competition. They’re one side of a kabuki show.

Which, come to think of it may also be the case with Powell.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  TomA
2 months ago

IMO Trump would rather bow out somewhat gracefully than burn the house down. He actually loves the country, in the old-school CivNatty way, and will only go so far to take things down, not because somebody has something on him, but because he does not want to see the country burn. If a good case can be made in his favor on the vote, he will keep going. But he isn’t pushing things. I think he has all the goods on a lot of things, and has seen all the treachery in DC, and is measuring his response as to… Read more »

skeptic16
skeptic16
Reply to  Dutch
1 month ago

I wish he would burn it down. Release all classified materials on USS Liberty, JFK, 9/11, Ukraine, financial bailouts, Israeli spying, Epstein. I don’t care if it outs CIA or FBI agents or operations.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Dutch
1 month ago

Yep, I’ve been saying for a while that Trump isn’t a Sulla or Pinochet – and that’s exactly what we need.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Dutch
1 month ago

well then he will deserve what is coming his way if he steps down.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Yak-15
1 month ago

It seams to me that unless she drops some huge bombshell by friday, that she is evidence of some vector causing insanity. She is a former federal prosecutor that became a crusading defense attorney, won a number of cases and exposed the corruption of the DoJ along the way. She’s not a nut job or gadfly.

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2 months ago

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Rick
Rick
2 months ago

Q is in control whether Trump retains the presidency or not. Sit back, relax and enjoy the show. The Storm is coming.

Chiron
Chiron
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

You mean Mossad, right Z? FBI couldn’t put something like this off, is purposely made to target gullible boomercons.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Anyone have a guess as to why this week’s coordinated news updates are heavy on the “hospitals are full of covid sufferers that dont believe they have it”? I see the coordination (the catch phrases are almost identical no matter the news source) but the why is baffling me.

JustaProle
JustaProle
Reply to  Penitent Man
2 months ago

Last week CNN had a nurse from nowhere South Dakota saying she had wards of dying folks in pure disbelief and anger that Covid was killing them. Like anything else, this campaign seems like the body shots meant to set up a major blow. Perhaps to get everyone psychologically on board with all these vaccines and their miracle level efficacy?

Vizzini
Reply to  JustaProle
2 months ago

And she was promptly proved to be a liar by stats from the hospital system she works at.

Last edited 2 months ago by Vizzini
Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

If a factual rebuttal comes two days after the headline, does it actually make a sound? Science says “no.”

B125
B125
Reply to  JustaProle
2 months ago

I think the “white men last” schtick is a psy-op to make white men want the vaccine more. Boomers and MAGAtards will soon be protesting for “equal access” to a vaccine. I personally don’t care, I will generously donate my dose to an oppressed POC.

Sand Wasp
Reply to  B125
2 months ago

I think the sterilants in the vaccine only work on females (which is all that is needed to accomplish their goals)

They just can’t come right out and say that only women should get the vaccine, because then it would be obvious.

However the “White males last” line furthers their goals without raising too many eyebrows.

PopWarner
PopWarner
Reply to  Sand Wasp
1 month ago

In my case, White man zero. I’ll kill before I take this vaccination.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  B125
1 month ago

Actually, Daily Stormer suggested bribing a diversity doctor to sign a doc claiming you’ve had the vaccine without actually getting the shot. Worth a try. I certainly won’t be getting any government vaccines.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

That’s not a terrible back-up plan. Of course if mandatory vaccinations do not produce revolt it’s over, the verdict of history will be that we dared not refuse the imposition of serfdom over us.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  JustaProle
2 months ago

Plausible. I really dont have any good theories on this one. I just hear the same weird news updates with the same verbiage from disparate news entities. These pigs have brought me to the point where I assume everything is lies and subterfuge. Another thing they’ll have to pay for when the reckoning comes.

Starboard
Starboard
Reply to  JustaProle
2 months ago

The SD nurse was just a fantasist who was confirming the media’s biases. None of her nurse colleagues said they’d ever had or heard of a similar incident as the nameless one the nurse averred.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  JustaProle
1 month ago

Something similar in Canada. Per the CBC report the staff was “triaging in the parking lot”. Some curious local drove over and found the parking lot and ER nearly empty.

Jacques Lebeau
Member
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 month ago

If CBC says it, expect the exact opposite to be true. Rule #1 when trying to understand Canadian media.

theRussians
theRussians
Member
Reply to  JustaProle
1 month ago

Same thing happened in Steinbach Manitoba on the weekend. The state broadcaster, during the national news hour, claimed the hospital was overflowing into the parking lot. Local girl called bs and filmed the empty hospital the very next day.

https://mobile.twitter.com/fredfredderson1/status/1330234521799823367?prefetchtimestamp=1606204972820

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

Death to the unbelievers, follow the herd, “freedom is slavery”.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

My husband spoke yesterday with an old friend who still lives in El Paso. He said that, besides the fact that no infrastructure or morgues have been built in over 40 years, the hospitals are overrun by Mexicans. Not all the magic paper ‘murrican Mexicans, but Mexican Mexicans, for whom they’ve opened the border and taken to the hospital. If someone collapses after stepping one foot onto the bridge into the country, they send the American EMTs to get them and take them to American hospitals. So take the ‘tragedy’ in El Paso stories with a full container of salt.

Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

The media has been toying with the idea of “secret Covid” since this thing began. You can have IT and not even know you have IT and you can spread IT and all your friends and family will DIE!!! I think the idea is just to lay the groundwork for blaming essentially any death or illness anywhere on Covid. The thing is that there’ a lot of truth in the secret Covid meme. I’m not convinced, for instance, that the recent “spike” in deaths isn’t just the return of seasonal colds and flu combined with an atmosphere of hysteria that… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Rick
2 months ago

you’ll still be saying that in 30 years…

dr_mantis_toboggan_md
Member
Reply to  Rick
2 months ago

Q is the biggest scam since Obama’s long form birth certificate and is designed to deflect attention from the real goings on. There is no “Storm” coming because the reprobates who really run this dying husk of a nation have won a complete victory. Hunter’s laptop will disappear like a fart in the wind and the plotters of this bloodless coup will get promoted instead of doing hard time as they deserve. The problem is voting fraud, even on this level, is impossible to prove in court. You can easily counter numerous sworn affidavits as anecdotal and not proving a… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  dr_mantis_toboggan_md
2 months ago

Agreed. Add this: Pre-Civil War, states & their citizens thought of themselves first, and the national union second. Hence their jealous guarding of their privileges for appointing electors specifically enumerated in the Constitution. Fast forward today: States are just economic zones with different tax rates. No state legislature is going to invalidate the popular vote and appoint their own directed delegates. The legislators have kids they want to go to Ivy league schools, many have their own personal climb-the-greasy pole ambitions for national office, and so on. They’re not going to let themselves (and their families) be branded as lepers… Read more »

Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

Meh, Federalism based on the historical state boundaries may be dead but if enough people get angry enough those can be redrawn too. Here in Oregon, there’s a pretty large and growing movement called “Greater Idaho” which is for the conservative counties to just join Idaho and let the commies and Antifags have a much diminished state centered on Portland and Salem. The glue holding “America” together is getting weaker by the day. Not only are internal forces pushing to explode it from the inside but external ones are also trying to tear it apart.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  dr_mantis_toboggan_md
2 months ago

The QAnon psyop is especially hilarious given that “Q” said himself (?) that he was deliberately posting disinformation to throw off the scent of the opposition. When someone tells you he’s going to lie, there’s just no point in paying attention any more.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

A while back (right around the 2016 election) there were “dueling Q’s” accusing each other of being deep-state frauds. The fact stands that none of Trump’s AGs pursued corruption in the intel agencies or anywhere else when it came to “Russigate.”

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  dr_mantis_toboggan_md
1 month ago

And this is why physicians should stay in their lane. “Anecdotal” evidence is relevant, admissible direct evidence. FRE 401, 402. There is no FRE allowing exclusion of “anecdotal” evidence. Eye witness testimony of a murder is “anecdotal,” yet I doubt the good physician would claim an eye witness is “not evidence” for a murder trial. In fact, all non-statistical testimony will by definition be anecdotal. But if “anecdotal” unaggregated evidence is insufficient, surely aggregated statistical evidence meets your version of the burden of proof? No, says the physician. IRL, statistical evidence meets Daubert all the time, and is frequently not… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

I think he’s saying that the courts are not going to bite. Do you disagree w that prognosis b/c I think he’s right.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  dr_mantis_toboggan_md
1 month ago

Mandatory voting means little if you turn in a blank form—unless of course they decide to simply fake your vote as well. 🙁

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Rick
1 month ago

I now favor war, revolution, chaos, burning the house down. When you enter that sphere, the one thing you don’t want, is lunatics who believe in voodoo, magic juju or howl at the moon. Which means that ‘trust the plan’ Q-monkeys are the last thing I want. But I say again, this cannot be reformed.

Falcone
Falcone
2 months ago

My guess is Trump’s numbers are bogus too. Inflated a few million. He got maybe somewhere in the range of 68-70

they were inflated so Biden’s massive fakery wouldn’t be so obvious

but it’s obvious even so

Last edited 2 months ago by Falcone
Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

My thinking is that the Dems were the ones who inflated Trump’s numbers while also inflating Biden’s. As if dominion told them it would more mathematically plausible if they did it this way and created the “algorithm” to do it

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

It was organized as several smaller scale operations. I still think they sent flunkies around target cities in September and October collecting discarded/unwanted mail in ballots. They filled out the ballots in mass in advance and showed up with these ballots when the count was stopped in the middle of the night.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Trump votes make sense in that way on a percentage basis but they don’t make sense in raw numbers where he got 10 million more votes than last time. That’s a lot of people. Who are they? Where did they come from? On top of the 15 million for Biden, like you say.

Put it this way, if there is some truth to an algorithm being used to manufacture fake votes, then I bet that the algorithm was made to increase Trump votes too just so it came across as mathematically more plausible

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

but they don’t make sense in raw numbers where he got 10 million more votes than last time.
democrats don’t dominate cause they are loved by the people, they dominate cause they’re the main globalist party, communists didn’t rule over eastern europe cause majority of people loved them.
as time goes by more people start despising leftists, democrats are very unlikable because each year their policies are getting worse.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  sentry
2 months ago

Yeah, but then Trump was way more popular than Obama.

Just seems fishy to me that he got 73 mm. My guess is Biden got a little more than Hillary.

I could be wrong. Just my gut.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Biden never campaigned. Also Biden :”We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” A politician making a flub on camera is just them accidentally telling the truth. Personally, I think Biden was briefed about the efforts a year ago, then let it slip when the dementia hit. The fix was in on this election for a very long time. One wonders if Obama didn’t benefit from much the same thing. Always thought Pelosi’s tearing up the copy of the SOTU address along with the sideways “clap” was over… Read more »

Last edited 2 months ago by ProZNoV
krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

what did Pelosi know was coming?
reduced control in the house and a minority or tied senate?
They should have let Trump win so they could take back the senate easily in 2022

Last edited 1 month ago by krustykurmudgeon
PopWarner
PopWarner
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

There were multiple concurrent irregularities during each of multiple concurrent inflections. Unpossible to account for it other than massive, centrally-coordinated actions.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Republicans couldn’t manage a vote fraud campaign to literally save their lives. You can’t keep secrets when your party’s schtick is betraying their own. The Left is practically monolithic compared to that batch of Benedict Arnolds.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Penitent Man
2 months ago

I think the problem that a lot of Republicans have, especially the rural ones, is the the one the royalists faced in the French revolution. They try to preserve the integrity of the system by abiding by the rules because they know if the system loses its integrity violence and chaos rules. They’re trying to use the social machine to correct itself, since that’s the only path to preserve things peaceably. I don’t think it will work, but the attempt is noble

Milestone D
Milestone D
Reply to  Drew
1 month ago

I don’t think it’s that complicated. Most conservatives simply remain convinced that playing by the rules, doing the right thing, etc. will produce a good outcome, bc … reasons. It’s a lot like my approach to dating in my 20’s … be nice, do the right thing, good behavior will eventually be recognized/rewarded. Same results too.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Milestone D
1 month ago

conservatives “play by the rules” because they are cowards and hypocrites.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Cowards especially and selfish. Backing each other up in thick or thing, taking a stand cuts into “I got mine.” and subjects them to risk. That they can’t have. All they want is money. Frankly outside a few poor and working class/dissidents/militia types , there isn’t a Conservative I’d trust in a real pinch or to not hop right on to the boxcars, you can get a shower when you get there. And no, the Left aren’t the good guys but getting power for your own ends is a noble goal at least and while their views are utterly crazy… Read more »

T. Morris
T. Morris
2 months ago

Can you spot the oddity here?

https://youtu.be/qw-yn2RLcu0

CAPT S
CAPT S
2 months ago

The most useful math course – well beyond algebra, trig, or calculus – is Probability & Statistics. Maybe there’s a strategic reason the education establishment ignores it. Trig and Calculus are relatively benign, but a basic understanding of Prob/Stats is the reddest of red-pills.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  CAPT S
2 months ago

Make my living in that world. And believe me if we got this sort of unexpected variance our quants would be defenestrating themselves.

Henry Lee
Member
Reply to  CAPT S
2 months ago

Back in the last century at Georgia Tech, the three big killers were German, Thermo and Statistics.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Henry Lee
2 months ago

But not “The Rap Videos of Run DMC”?

Samladams
Samladams
Reply to  Henry Lee
2 months ago

Though one of my kids would add “Ship Dynamics” to that list.

Milestone D
Milestone D
Reply to  Henry Lee
1 month ago

Let’s see … didn’t take German, but got a C in Thermo and a D in stats. The joke when I was there was Emag, Re-mag, three-mag, management. thwg!

Milestone D
Milestone D
Reply to  CAPT S
1 month ago

Heresy! NR says every Mid must take Calc & Calc-based physics! How dare you suggest that some other math might be more important! If Nuclear power admiral says it is important, then it *is* important. So it is right and good that Stats is relatively ignored.

Falcone
Falcone
2 months ago

Like I say, I will at least get some amusement at watching the establishment act like Biden really did get 77 million votes. How they going to frame that when it makes Obama look bad? I guess it was a massive vote for Obama 2.0? That might be the narrative they have planned. but also when universities and intellectuals have to analyze the success of campaigns. How is anyone seriously going to be able to state that Biden ran the most successful campaign in the nation’s history. at some point the schism will have to appear between what really happened… Read more »

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

I mean White Men are just better than Blacks and Women. Duh. Democrats just have to never run a non-white or a female again and they’ll get 80 million votes and up and up from now on.

To turn serious, when Kamala loses in 2024, that will legitimately be where the evidence points.

B125
B125
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

President Kamala will be happening much sooner than anticipated. Joe Biden will be in a wheelchair soon, his dementia is bad.

I don’t believe trump lost any white male support, or old folks support. The election is just entirely false. Trump had great support but as I said he could win by 50 million and Biden would find 90 million more ballots.

We live in the clown world, 3rd world now.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  B125
2 months ago

Biden won the cyber vote, is about all we can assume is true

trump won the actual human vote

Dicksister
Dicksister
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

I’m stealing that

Moe Noname
Moe Noname
Reply to  B125
2 months ago

Throwing little lies like “Trump lost white male votes” is part of Screwtapes method. The blackpill may be magnified in Z-Man’s virtual hall, but sorry guys: we are NOT representative of Joe 6 Pack or Tommy White Wine Spritzer.
I may have a small social circuit, but all of the Trump ambivalent in 2016 were Trump fanatics in 2020.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Moe Noname
2 months ago

I didn’t vote this year

First time in my adult life that I didn’t vote.

I live in CA, so myTrump vote wouldn’t mean anything, but even so I didn’t feel Trump was worth my time.

And my ambivalence may speak for many.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

same for me (not voting this year; live in CA). had a mail in ballot but just couldn’t get it done. the lack of any convictions the previous 4x years, and the total worthlessness of the GOP, smothered any enthusiasm i might have had.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

Im a white guy and didn’t vote either. I understand Trump supporters, but you could give the guy a complete dictatorship, get rid of congress and the supreme Court and he still wouldn’t get much done because the problems in America are past the point of correction, and because their would still be massive resistance by leftists. As such, I just don’t see any point in voting for Trump because the best case scenario is not much different than the worst. If you’re still focusing on voting rather than preparing for problems, you’re crazy.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

I only vote in CA to keep my taxes down. Sometimes it works.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Gunner Q
1 month ago

same here

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Gunner Q
1 month ago

Fag.

“I only care about low taxes.” You deserve what you get, traitor.

Enjoy that goddamn fine cuisine!

Last edited 1 month ago by LineInTheSand
Gunner Q
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 month ago

Notice that is not what I said, Mister Binary Thinker.

Crispin
Crispin
Reply to  B125
2 months ago

True enough.   The voting in the USA is no longer legitimate.  It is now obviously manufactured to deep state requirements -probably since Ovomit in 2008, at least. I confess, I saw the excitement across Michigan & Wisconsin over the summer and I voted.  Never again. All done voting. Losing a real election is one thing, but being a chump is another matter. It took me a long time to get here, but I now realize I am no longer a citizen in a republic. Your votes are stolen here, ergo, there is no vote. I am now officially a dissident. Very curious… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Crispin
2 months ago

Yep, we are merely the audience to the show that is politics. People in the stands cheering on our team but otherwise have no control of the play calling, who gets hired, fired, traded.

Our vote is like buying a ticket for admission

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

Your “vote” is meaningless, but your “abstention” from the process perhaps not so. We will see, but in any event it would seem less gut wrenching to abstain.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  CompscI
1 month ago

I’m definitely abstaining

They don’t want me around, fine by me. Done voting for their stupid little drama games and their bull.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

The establishment will have no difficulty talking about Biden getting 77 million votes. Lying and talking themselves into ridiculous ideas are what they do. Their minds have been in a constant state of cognitive dissonance for a long time.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 months ago

The establishment and the actual useful fools that voted for the Cryptkeeper. I’ve already decided not to be drawn into any arguments with the people I know or suspect who voted for Dementia Joe. It’s just not worth it.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Peabody
1 month ago

Nonsense. The propaganda potential is huge. “Wow, that old white guy was wayyyy more popular than Obama, huh?” Make them live up to their own standards, convert the normie. Ours is an evangelical task, to redpill those that might still be reached.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Educated.redneck
1 month ago

You think anyone who voted for a man with obvious dementia is actually reachable? I know these people. They aren’t. They will go down with the Good Ship Progressive and blame it on Trump. Not that a good mocking isn’t warranted but only for the squirm factor.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Peabody
1 month ago

Do what makes it fun for us and ours. Mocking them is fun, especially when it’s phrased such that they have to squirm between the Scylla and Charibdis of their cogdis. And remember, the arguments between V and Chancellor Sutler are for the audience; what the characters say or does not change the end result of the conflict between them (the movie ends the same each time!), but are there to inform each successive viewer.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 months ago

I can see the politicians and MSM keeping up the lie with a straight face but I can’t see it in the graduate school classrooms at places like the Harvard Kennedy School where they do their case studies on the do’s and don’ts of campaigns, where they train the future campaign operatives on tactics and marketing and so forth.

Unless stealing the election is now part of the learning

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

LBJ would like a word on electoral fraud… This is about as new as jewish funded pornography.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

haha where do you think all these psychopathic fukkers come from?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

Serious? What’s this word “serious”? The US is no longer a serious country.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

Everybody knows the vote was faked, even the Dems and the media. The next step for the Dems and the media is to claim “this is dogcrap and we are going to make you eat it”. It’s all part of the long game. Humiliating their enemies is part of their strategy. As a side benefit for them, it corrupts and destroys yet another western institution, to their benefit.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Dutch
2 months ago

As has been pointed out, even Harris knows since she hasn’t retired her senate seat.

Tyche
Tyche
2 months ago

The strangest bit of election mathematics, by my estimation, is how Biden was able to pick up a few hundred thousand swing state votes in the hours after those states announced they would stop counting for the night.

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  Tyche
2 months ago

Try upwards of a million just between Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Tyche
Tyche
Reply to  T. Morris
2 months ago

I was counting them distributively for each state, but yes you are correct. I suppose gaining a million or so votes by means other than addition is an even stranger mathematical phenomenon!

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  Tyche
2 months ago

Yep – like flipping a coin a few hundred thousand times and it coming up TURD every time.

David Wright
Member
2 months ago

Knowing the current vote count and how it was trending before we all went to bed and then waking to the new numbers, we knew the fix was in and worked.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
2 months ago

What gets conflated here is “irregularity” vs. “fraud”. Seen plenty of frauds in my business career and can’t think of an example that did not begin with detection of “irregularity”. And no examples where the sort of multiple std. deviation variances you see here did not yield a fraud under careful examination. Problem is those frauds are complex “paper cases” that require careful examination of the documentary evidence and then usually turn on the willingness of some of perpetrators to cut a deal and provide direct testimonial evidence. The timeframes we’re dealing with here don’t afford that luxury. And the… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  SamlAdams
2 months ago

Saml, I think we do the same, or similar work. Living in the realm of probability sets and expected outcomes, the BS detectors become rather sensitive. One gets anomalies all the time, but not patterns of anomalies, or whirlwinds of repeated, pat, and rather impossible anomalous outcomes, all in the same direction, in the same way, at the same time. As if one had four hurricanes hit Newfoundland in a weekend.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Dutch
1 month ago

Though it is true that the good Lord did not love Louisiana this season.

Based5.0
Based5.0
Reply to  SamlAdams
2 months ago

“The timeframes we’re dealing with here don’t afford that luxury.”

That’s the biggest obstacle and one that team Trump simply won’t be able to overcome. Math is hard and trying to get most folks to understand all of the statistical variables so that they truly appreciate the amount of fraud is impossible in the time that remains before Biden’s inauguration day.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 month ago

The problem is that our elections are not auditable. Recounting illegitimate votes won’t yield a different count. Even registering to vote is an honor system in most places, often requiring no more than a recent utility bill. In MA you have to actively and repeatedly decline to register to vote if you renew your driver’s license online. Uncreased mail-in ballots? How do you prove they’re frauds?

B125
B125
2 months ago

Obviously the fix is in.

But, we live in a society where children can have other genders than “boy” and “girl”, and where blacks (and some muslims) are deified as sage people.

Truth doesn’t matter anymore, Biden could get 6 billion votes and it would all be the same.

Moe Noname
Moe Noname
Reply to  B125
2 months ago

“Of course there was massive fraud, but Orange Man Bad”, they explained.
Signed,
Every Single Biden Voter
Pronouns he/him
Black Lives Matter
We are all individuals.
Science!

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Moe Noname
2 months ago

You forgot “Wear A Mask!”

Corn
Corn
Reply to  Moe Noname
1 month ago

Sadly, even if Trump and Co. could prove the fraud in time, the NY Times and CNN would basically argue, “Yeah, it was stolen. But it’s Trump, so who cares?”

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  B125
2 months ago

Notice they didn’t cheat their way to victory by a narrow margin

they went full audacious double down chutzpah and say he won in a popular vote landslide

what this foretells in terms of their governance is anyone’s guess But it’s probably not good

B125
B125
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

It means permanent lockdowns, mandatory vaccines, extreme mass immigration, green new deal, impoverishment of middle America, etc.

And worse, I’m sure

JustaProle
JustaProle
Reply to  B125
2 months ago
RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  B125
1 month ago

So basically the status quo. (There won’t be a green new deal in the forseeable future, unless the oil & gas industries branch out for some sweet government gibs. They are after all in the donor class.)

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  B125
1 month ago

Optimists. Take off those rose-colored glasses, will ya?

whitney
Member
2 months ago

It was blatant theft. He won by a landslide. All the new red seats they’re all riding his coattails. The only people I know denying it are legitimately terrible people. These are people that lie and steal and think nothing of it. They think they’re good people. And like we all know we’re not voting our way out of this

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  whitney
2 months ago

No one believes Biden crushed Obama watching ing them wiggle and squirm holding up the lie for the next four years at least promises some possible entertainment but could get ugly too if they play the double down game and claim it means a huge mandate. I can see Kamala sent out to make that case to the sheep. “The most popular president of all time with 77 million votes is a clear mandate to that America wants the green new deal and wants public option and wants…..” notice how ever since Clinton, it’s like everyone is auditioning for the… Read more »

JustaProle
JustaProle
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

Why would they wiggle and squirm to hold up anything? The lie is being cemented now. They will strut and shout from the rooftops, not wiggle and squirm.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  JustaProle
2 months ago

Correct. Wiggling and squirming is for people who actually have some semblance of a conscience and shame.

GetBackUp
GetBackUp
Reply to  whitney
2 months ago

For your consideration:
Rudy lays it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0h6sRuC8bQ&t=798s
Powell lays it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y68pEknYyCM

TomA
TomA
Reply to  whitney
2 months ago

You are absolutely correct, and this election is an IQ test for the masses. If you cannot see reality for what it is, then you deserve the consequences that are about to unfold. As others have commented, this attempt at election theft is an inflection point in our history. If they succeed, social trust will go negative with a vengeance. And that is no trivial thing.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
2 months ago

don’t you mean Tucker Romney?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Karl McHungus
2 months ago

He prefers to be called Tucker Von Romney

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Karl McHungus
2 months ago

Eff Cucker Tarlson, esq.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Reply to  Karl McHungus
2 months ago

I’m thinking that MSM news presenters are there to distract, misdirect and ultimately, demoralize their audience. The demoralization comes at the end of their usefulness when they suddenly change.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  skeptic16
2 months ago

they can only demoralize you if you watch and listen to them; which i don’t. at all.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Karl McHungus
2 months ago

On that topic, check out this zerohedge article. Don’t let the headline mislead you. Our alternate universe appears to be the truth more or less while the opposition’s is well you’ll get the idea.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/do-trump-supporters-live-alternate-universe

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Karl McHungus
1 month ago

Please, this Sidney Powell cargo cult is risible. She got pwned.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
1 month ago

there is plenty of room between calling carlson names, and being a fan boi for powell.

usNthem
usNthem
2 months ago

Ok, so everyone knows the fix is in. I guess the real question is wtf is ever going to end this shit? If these cock******* actually get away with this blatant, fraudulent shit, there really may not be any hope. Great way to kick off T-giving week.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  usNthem
2 months ago

The fact that no one really cares the vote was stolen can only mean people know the country is bullshit and a joke and not worth getting upset over

wait until they ask young people to die for it

thats going to be interesting

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

You mean they aren’t willing to die for a glorified shopping mall?

Moe Noname
Moe Noname
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 months ago

You mean you and your family haven’t visited the Blessed Shrine outside Harrisburg dedicated to the mall cops who laid their life down in the course if duty? They have an Aunty Em’s pretzel shop…

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

As Darren Beattie once quipped “Imagine if an enormous shopping mall and a multi-trillion dollar casino had the world’s most powerful military.”

skeptic16
skeptic16
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

Why any sane white make would enlist in the military is beyond me. Let the alphabet fight and die for globohomo.

Cubs
Cubs
Reply to  skeptic16
2 months ago

Desparation. National Service. The latter because the former. Unconnected young folks won’t be able to find work between the newly imported and children of the connected. Whites will be forced out from the trades. School will be pointless. National Service will offer a path towards social credit advancement. The food will be better. They’ll get out from the basement. Enough will take the deal and fight for their oppressor.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  usNthem
2 months ago

Do not despair, that is part of their strategy to defeat us. Go dark, survive, and be patient. The time to act will come, and it must be deployed in singular doses from the shadows.

Sox
Sox
Reply to  TomA
2 months ago

Resistance will be crushed like the Palestinians. We will not just be fighting our oppressor but nearly all of our neighbors as well. And our neighbors will be literally drugged into compliance.

This biotch ends with the collapse. Our kids won’t see the light. Their progeny won’t know how to run anything and our expectations lost.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Sox
1 month ago

Clearly you’re not up to the task. Stay on the sidelines and out of the way. You may want to go into the closet and masturbate. It will help you relieve your anxiety.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

LOL

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

Easy to say for those of us who already squeeked past Checkpoint Charlie into the land of milk and honey. That is a TALL order for a 20ish White Single Male in a blue city. Help where you can.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

and whom exactly will be waiting for? there just aren’t enough people — of any color — that are willing to support a non-socialist form of government. use imperial Rome as an example; where/when/who rose up to do as you want here (and were successful)? Will the GOP lead us to Elsian fields? guffaw.

Last edited 1 month ago by Karl McHungus
Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
2 months ago

Bush 92 might be an anomaly because of the Ross Perot factor. But another good example making your case is Hoover 32, vote total down 24%. It’s also good because this year we also had an economic depression, with unemployment above 15%, the common definition of a depression, albeit briefly.

Vizzini
Reply to  Jack Boniface
2 months ago

I am pretty sure the unemployment numbers are cooked to appear lower than they really are. They’ve been doing that all along, of course, but it is worse now.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Vizzini
2 months ago

Yeah the inflation numbers too, which are at Soviet levels of believability at this point.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Vizzini
2 months ago

Bogus unemployment numbers is nothing new. In the USA they only count people who are registered and actively looking for work. People who are disabled, able-bodied welfare recipients, retired or otherwise unemployed, people who work for volunteer activities, Etc are not counted. Even in the best of times the unemployment rate would probably be two or three times if a more realistic definition were used.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

You drop off even if you’re seeking work if you don’t find a job w/in a certain number of weeks.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Nothing bogus about the figure commonly used for unemployment. It is traditional to use this number and has been for just about ever.

There are other obtained figures for folks unemployed, but able to work. You can look these up, but they are not hidden, and are collected along with the unemployment figures you cite.

The growing number of employable folks outside the “unemployed” category you decry as bogus was commonly discussed during the Obama era to dispute his recovery claims.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  CompscI
1 month ago

but they were still excluded from the official figures.

JR Ewing
JR Ewing
Member
2 months ago

It all stinks to high heaven, but what’s the point of arguing about it? This result has been predestined since November 9, 2016. There was no way Jose they were going to let Trump win again and there is no way Jose that this “election” gets overturned. Point being, I’d LOVE for it to somehow be proved and the skies to open up and it all become clear, but that will never happen. And since that will never happen, the media will just push the narrative and the Uniparty will move forward and be glad to be rid of that… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  JR Ewing
2 months ago

There was so much spontaneous and organic support for Trump and literally none for Biden that this stolen election has to be obvious to anyone who is at least willing to open their eyes and tune out the pathetic msm. If this is allowed to stand, we are beyond hope. Maybe it’ll be a tipping point – if not, I don’t know what will shake people out of their stupor.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  usNthem
2 months ago

I think people, consciously or not, realize the country is split into two

On one had there are the people outside of government, or all of us. And then it’s them, and everything they do is for the organization that is the government. We are the people in the stands, the audience.

Why get upset with what goes on on stage? It’s their deal. Their problems.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

The problem is that what goes on, on the stage eventually affects the audience, often in unpleasant ways. Everyone knows the dems are crooked from the word go. But after four solid years of colluding against and caterwauling about orange man bad, then to attempt and perhaps pull off this massive a fraud – talk about jumping the shark. But it looks like we’re gonna have to bend over and take it sans the k-y…

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  usNthem
2 months ago

What’s going on onstage will affect the audience by the MAGA audience never voting again if the Dems get away with the steal. I know I won’t ever vote again. What’s the point?

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 months ago

I agree about voting. This will probably be it for me. I just loathe these lefturd progs with a white hot hatred. On top of it all we’ll have to constantly hear how legit the election was an how the people have spoken and all the other smarmy bs they can dredge up. Makes me sick.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  usNthem
2 months ago

I think the Biden admin is going to be hamstrung by a legitimacy problem

Everyone knows he didn’t win

Perhaps the Russia hoax was preparation for how to deal with a real hoax

Who knows. But if Kamala thinks Trump voters are going to obey her dictates, she’s got another thing coming

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

Falcone, that’s right. They bought it, they own it. They get to name it and clean out the litter box. Make them own it like LBJ.

Bridge Up
Bridge Up
Reply to  usNthem
2 months ago

They want you to know it’s all lies and that you cannot change anything. That’s their thrill and why they do it.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  JR Ewing
2 months ago

Anyone with two brain cells can see that the steal has been proven conclusively. All this has done is confirm what we all already knew – the US is a Leftist dictatorship. Trump was simply an accidental intermission.
But nothing (other than a few redpillings) will come of it.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  JR Ewing
2 months ago

The question is, what will Trump do with his enormous political swat in the coming years? Cadaver Joe will be the “official” president but Trump will be the shadow president. If he chooses to do so, he could gum up the works of this society by encouraging his recently disenfranchised supporters to engage in all sorts of disruptive behaviors, and most of them (us?) will go along with his injunctions. Trump could, in effect, be the tribune of an essentially separate nation from that ruled by Biden and the Power Structure.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Why not? It’s what Obama did.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Peabody
1 month ago

Right. But I think Trump could be Obama on steroids in this role.

Hoosier Mama
Hoosier Mama
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Trump is a carnival barker. Most of us who supported him initially realize the hoop diameter is smaller than the overinflated basketball. His opportunity to scam us is past and we’re not gonna pay attention to him anymore.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

what other handles is this person using?

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Disruptive behavors – such as?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
1 month ago

A very wide range. Everything from refusing to pay taxes, to civil disobedience, to acts of infrastructure sabotage, to street violence, to–dare I say?–white national organization.

Now, do I think Trump will push it that far? No. However, the opportunity exists for him to become one of the very most significant historical figures in America’s or post-America’s history. It is within his power to wreak fearful, possibly terminal damage upon the Power Structure. It’s simply a question of doing it and staying alive after the fact.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

if trump couldn’t do anything to keep them from stealing a national election — while he was president — he won’t be able to do fuck all later.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
2 months ago

Haven’t done the deep math, but it’s plausible the massive increase in voting absentee and mail-in cause some of the shift. It’s simply more convenient to not have to bother with election day lines.
It goes without saying the mechanisms for eliminating fraud by these methods were neutered by design too.

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 months ago

they knew the number of mail ins gong in

Pretty sure the massive increase is from purported in-person voting

David
David
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 months ago

This is the only argument they have on the left, that Mail in ballots are so successful, even a terrible candidate with no enthusiasm can earn more votes than anyone in history without even campaigning or being able to speak. Someone should really address this possibility or conservatives will never win again.

Spin geraht
Spin geraht
2 months ago

Ray Charles could see it.
The question is what are you going to do about it?
They are their lists.
I’ll make mine,
Accountability on the rocks.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Spin geraht
1 month ago

San-ta Claus
is coming,
to towwwn

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 months ago

Just spitballing in light of the Tucker/Powell stuff and how the SC is stacking up. Hypothesis: Trump was offered a deal for a favorable SC in exchange for maintaining the facade of democracy. Hence talk of Dominion and the Germany raid being portrayed as Q conspiracies, Tucker’s outburst and the distancing from Powell. Can’t have people realizing how wide and deep the fraud goes. Art of the deal. Trump gets a second term, the left gets to mount a color revolution and try to unseat him, the deplorables get the shaft (again), the party goes on for a dying establishment.… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 months ago

Maybe, something like that.

I still think Don is going to win, somehow, or at least get close before a ruling in the SC sinks him.

I’ve cooled off since the election and realized that I don’t really care either way, Trump is gonna legalize DACA as soon as he gets back in.

Trump is good, but he’s no saviour. We are failing the course, Trump got us a 65% on the final exam when we needed a 95% to pass.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  B125
2 months ago

That’s about the only “cope”: things are going to get much worse over the next four years no matter what. It might work out that from a political and organizational standpoint that a Biden victory, and especially a Biden “victory” would work out slightly better for us (though certainly not enough to actually make me “want” Biden).

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 months ago

President Harris might spark a revolution. If it’s Trump the left can cry foul and stage their own revolution. Trump would actually be more advantageous to the left— especially an emasculated Trump who avoids conspiracy and other edgy topics. As for me I’m about sick of Trump rebuffing his supporters in favor of snakes. I was a willing pawn, but not simply so he can stay in office. Not in it to cover his ass if he won’t cover mine. Supported him to the extent I felt he was supporting me. Mustered what I could for the campaign but I’ve… Read more »

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 month ago

He lost me by doing nothing about the rioting

He didn’t have to send in the troops but he could have been on TV every night railing against it and how Dem politicians won’t let him do anything.

Something

But instead he sat by while America burned. He can go f00ck himself as far as I am concerned.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

Charlottesville started the slow bleed for me. It was pretty obvious in the aftermath he was going to spend the rest of his term proving he was for everybody but white people. I like to finish what I start but that’s not license to take me for granted.

Whatever. Best of luck to him I guess.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

Why should we lament Nuggras and other riffraff burning down their own lairs?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

It makes me angry

I understand your position. But it bothers me deeply that any American president would let our cities burn. It wouldn’t have killed him to stand up for civilization. But he decided to play politics, which he sucks at.

At one point he was saying “Without borders, you have no country”

Well, without law and order you don’t either, so pick a side Trump or GTFO

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

your point is valid, as is the one to let them burn. just two different discussions is all 😛

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 month ago

I think Biden is the one, not Trump, who are going to give us those additional four years we have all be wanting to get ready

He’ll be a sufficient plug in the dyke for four years

then get the hell out !!!

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 month ago

Well guess I was wrong about that!

el-porko
el-porko
2 months ago

The moves on election night to simply stop counting votes were such that anyone with the common sense of a 5th grader could see that something was fishy.

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  el-porko
1 month ago

True, but when discussing the Leftist throngs and common sense, they’re 2 yr olds. 5th grade common sense is not something they aspire to – let alone could achieve

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G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
2 months ago

We could see this coming a mile away yet we were powerless to stop it. I blame the GOP for being feckless and Trump was not on top of his game for smelling out a setup. It was clear with the hysteria over Covid at the beginning of the year that this was a ramming rod to bust up Trump’s front lines. Mail in ballots are notorious for their ability to be manipulated and conservative inc put up no opposition to them. Let alone any electronic fraud that also happened. The democrats and the black populated and controlled cities are… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
2 months ago

IMO Trump thought he had the fraud covered by simply overwhelming the states with enthusiasm for his side. In an ordinary election, he would have been right. The Wuflu/mail-in ballot thing snuck up on him, as did the stretching out the vote count for days and weeks this time around. and also some states being willing to simply flip the voting machine switch to openly post millions of votes for the other guy. All of these elements came up unexpectedly in recent months, and caught him out.

Beetle McTurk
Beetle McTurk
Reply to  Dutch
1 month ago

“Caught him out’?
The Bolshies were openly saying in the press they planned to steal the election. Biden was on film talking about ““most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”

Anyone who unironically voted, anyone who is dismayed and clucking over the results, is living in all-encompassing Denial. Didn’t they learn anything about the true nature of their ‘representative government’ when the whole Jeffrey Epstein debacle was eliminated from public consciousness?

Christian Attorney in Ohio
2 months ago

Great post, as usual. One would think even the liberal media would acknowledge that the numbers are somewhat curious. Where did these 15M new Biden voters come from? Democrats need a large minority turnout to win. They achieved this in 2008 with Obama at the helm. A record 62% of registered voters turned out. (Wikapedia does not show the turnout for 2020, probably because it would be in the high 60’s.) In 2016, the minorities did not turn out for Hillary. Most Democrats blamed their loss on this (before the Russia collusion nonsense started). Now they want us to believe… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Christian Attorney in Ohio
2 months ago

100 million people knowing Biden is illegitimate could turn out to be a good thing ????

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B125
B125
Reply to  Falcone
2 months ago

The Canadian government is already proving itself to be illegitimate based on its, and the peoples’ response to the COVID pandemic. Rural areas are completely ignoring everything (and not spreading it much either). Browns and blacks in the city are spreading it alot, they’re ignoring everything too. The government has been reduced to pathetically begging the brown people to please social distance. People seem to be learning what the Soviets did – do enough to not be noticed but basically ignore everything else. Another example is the Canadian government’s “assault weapon” ban. As far as I can tell the number… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  B125
1 month ago

do enough to not be noticed but basically ignore everything else”

That’s going to be my new thing

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Falcone
1 month ago

It could be, maybe dissidents are the real winners of this sh*tpie of an election. Civ nats are in cognitive dissonance meltdown now. Some of them will emerge from the other side of their stupor as hardline dissidents.

TomA
TomA
2 months ago

Now connect the dots. We’ve just witnessed an overt, in-your-face, power grab via election theft on a scale never before seen in this country. The media is awash in propaganda and memetic warfare aimed at pacifying the masses and pushing the new Homogeneous Mankind model of social engineering. The rule of law is officially dead and there is no cavalry coming over the hill to save us. Hunker down, go dark, survive. If you appear feisty and smart, the jackboots will come for you first. Ancient wisdom.

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ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  TomA
2 months ago

Read “The Gulag Archipelago”; really should be required reading for dissident politics in the US.

There’s no hunkering down, there’s no escaping, short of leaving the US.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

Hunkering down is about basic survival and not cowering in the dark. You can’t fight back from a concentration camp or a grave. Don’t make it easy for them to target you. And if you think it can’t happen here in the Good Ol’ USA, then your DNA is of no use to the rest of the species. Die bravely on the barricades if you must, but your impact will be small and fleeting.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 month ago

that book was written by a guy who got caught. look for works by the mice that didn’t get caught.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

The “rule of law” hasn’t existed for some time now. What is commonly referred to as the “Law” is arbitrarily interpreted and selectively applied based upon the politics and characteristics of the parties involved.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

Sports stadiums are empty.
I propose a new boost to the economy-

Lions and MAGA voters!

Imagine, just imagine the pay-per-view!
All proceeds, of course, will be donated to the World Wildlife Fund.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
2 months ago

given that the left kills anything it gets ahold of, and also given that the left has demonstrably captured the federal government, it is only a matter of a few years before they bring that whole shit show down around their heads. now that the GOP has been thoroughly discredited (only the truly dim witted will still bother supporting them) the internecine fighting will start within the dem party to divvy up the spoils. further, they have radicalized a huge swath of the country to monkey wrench the prog project every chance they get, even if it just means slacking… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Karl McHungus
2 months ago

Pretty spot on. This was the moment the Ruling Class decided to be openly hostile to its subjects.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Karl McHungus
2 months ago

It seems like the AOC wing of the party would be in to the modern U.S. military as it turns into a giant make-work project for diversity outcasts who are unable to score enough to get a no-work corporate job, but she was out there calling for defunding again recently. I wonder then if maybe, just as conservatives hide their pro-white views behind railing against anti-Semitism, if leftists like AOC hide their anti-Jew views behind anti-white racism.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Karl McHungus
2 months ago

Hayduke Lives!

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Range Front Fault
1 month ago

looks like an interesting read 🙂 thanks!

Arcadian
Arcadian
2 months ago

“This most recent election may set a record for irregularities. It is hard to know if the claims being made by Trump are real. Trump’s track record…” Part of the 1984 effect is getting you to not believe, trust your own eyes. And thus, trust your own ability to process. The apparent TDS of the bog host here leads to these limiting terms, “may”. If this election “may set a record” then that would mean there is some other more blatant, quantified election event it is competing against. “Claims being made by Trump…” In the words of Reagan, “there you… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 months ago

Saying Trump was going to win because he filled stadiums is like saying that at least 51% of a city likes monster truck rallies because they fill the local stadium.

Yes, Trump had a lot of support, but he animated the partisan left in a way I’ve never seen. It was his demeanor. They would have voted for a rock or a tree or anything else on the ballot against Trump. The irony is that Trump mostly governed as a left wing Chris Christie Republican.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
2 months ago

If you believe the system is beyond repair and needs to be replaced with something not hostile toward our people, widespread voter fraud obvious even to the most obtuse was the best possible outcome. It took something of this magnitude to shake NormieCon out of his slumber. This did it. We were signaled for months that the unsolicited, mass-mailed ballots would be how the State made certain the outcome was acceptable to it. And indeed it happened. The same-day totals were determined, ballot counting stopped simultaneously in the four most corrupt cities in the swing states, and backdated ballots marked… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

The taint of fraud will haunt Biden

I think that is Trump’s plan. To lay a big fart in the elevator before exiting and leave Biden behind locked inside

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Christian Attorney in Ohio
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 month ago

Maybe I know lots of obtuse people. Even when you confront people with the numbers, you receive responses like “Well, everything is different now because of Trump.” It seems like a high IQ does not protect one from being deceived. I bet most Ivy League graduates believe the media that “claims of voter fraud are unsubstantiated.”

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
2 months ago

I could not agree with your essay more today. Like probably everyone here I think the election was probably stolen. But as somebody just said a few days ago, suspecting something and proving it to Legal standard are two very different things. In a similar vein I am one of those who believes that covid-19 is caused by a virus that escaped from a lab in Wuhan almost exactly one year ago. There is ample circumstantial evidence to support such a hypothesis. But again, proving that to a scientific standard will probably never happen.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

“proving it to a Legal standard”
That argument only has merit in a country where the rule of law still exists. As with voting, the illusion of a legitimate legal system is necessary to keep the masses from going postal.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Proving to a legal standard is not the be all and end all. Corruption aside, the SCOTUS is not bound to rule for the law. They may very well take into consideration the effect of any ruling. Chief Justice Roberts is accused of this in his ADA tie beaker vote. Brown vs The Board of Education deseg ruling was another. The discussion among the Justices centering more upon the civil effects of outlawing segregation, than its Constitutionality.

Jacques Lebeau
Member
2 months ago

An excellent analysis — really works for me because it is possible to check and verify. C’mon Tucker, do the friggin’ math and get on board. (Not holding my breath.)

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Jacques Lebeau
1 month ago

still watching Fox, eh? why not just watch NBC straight up or something?

Bill H
2 months ago

I don’t find the 2020 election numbers to be convincing, especially comparing down ballot results to the presidential race, but turnout is less dispositive that you present, I think.
In 1992, when George HW Bush lost to Clinton, turnout increased to 40% from the previous presidential election turnout of 37%. That makes the 46% turnout in 2020 over 40% in 1996 somewhat less startling.

Christian Attorney in Ohio
Reply to  Bill H
1 month ago

In 1992, Ross Perot motivated many to vote for the first time running on Trump type issues. Bill Clinton seemed charismatic and a new type of Democrat (man, were we fooled). A 46% turnout in 2020 for Joe Biden is shocking indeed.

Starboard
Starboard
2 months ago

During the Trump era, 2017 to 2020, starting with the special election for Tom Price’s House seat in Georgia (Handel v Ossoff) the Democrats have outperformed their previous totals when they’ve highlighted opposition to Trump in the local race.  If you recall Handel barely won less than a year after Price easily did. You can probably remember other special elections that were far closer for Republicans than people expected, even though the GOP candidate was a competent choice who had won before.  In other words the Democrat didn’t matter, nor did the Republican. What especially energized voters was voting against… Read more »

Starboard
Starboard
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

I’m not left wing. I’m a race-realist and a reader of yours for 5-almost-6 years. And the statement is not rhetoric. It’s a practical way of judging things, Z.

And the answer to your question is that lucky bullshitter, Donald Trump. The reason is the mail-in balloting which, like Trump’s defeat, was unique in American presidential history.

As I said later, Trump is the only Republican who could have won in 2016 and the only one who could have lost in 2020, much as I regret the latter.