Emerging Lunacy

Emergent behavior is one of those things that people struggle to grasp, because it seems to violate the expected cause and effect relationship. Most people operate on the assumption that whatever we are seeing is caused by something that can also be seen or at least described. Of course, most people like to think there is some human actor behind everything, operating from the normal human motivations. It is always tempting to reduce things to the personal as it is relatable.

There are lots of examples in nature of emergent behavior. Cross-breeding of plants can result in a characteristic that does not exist in the two plants that have been crossbred by a curious gardener. Domestic animal breeders, from time to time, will bump into this. The Ocicat is a great example crossbreeding two animals and getting a result that has qualities not present in the parents. Insects colonies are a great example of emergent behavior.

Something similar can happen with human behavior. Put the right group of people in the right situation and you get behavior that seems to spring from nowhere. Some historians have argued this is what happened in Germany in the period after the Great War when the Nazi rose to power. The panic over witches and witchcraft in early New England is another cited example. All of a sudden, people began to act in ways that were not typical of their past behavior.

This is, in part, what we are experiencing today. The people in charge have unleashed forces they do not understand for short term gain. The massive wave of irregularities in the election are one result. The bizarre, superstitious behavior of the Covidians is another manifestation. These people have been swept up in a frenzy and have become untethered from the normal restraints. “Through any means necessary” has become a rallying cry for direct action against the imagined enemy.

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Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
3 years ago

Good podcast. I have to disagree (for now) that the establishment is just going to ignore Trump, for both practical reasons and fanatical reason. Ted Koppel had a point when he told the porcine, rubber-lipped lizard man from CNN (Brian Stelter) that Trump is good for the ratings. The news about Blumpf will technically be “soft” most of the time, but there will be so much sadism in the reporting (“Watch Blumpf the fat white Oaf miss this easy Putt on his Golf Course”) but that will harden more normie white hearts. That brings me to the fanatical aspect: These… Read more »

Puma
Puma
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

Iraq, our “occupation” cough gag of Iraq has many lessons for us.
For example the COVID restrictions are essentially a mild DeBaathification for whites, small business, etc. So are the constant humiliations and degradations.
The loss of control of crime and gangs, political movements with guns in the cities, etc. There is something very wrong with our elites far deeper than ideology, the constant impulse to insult and degrade others is a defect.

If only Stalin knew, he’d never let the Communists act this way, certainly not in public.
*This was part of Stalin’s actual rule you know.*

B125
B125
Reply to  Puma
3 years ago

Wonder who is opposed to both white Christians and Arabic Muslims and wants them both as cattle and slaves living in poverty?

Puma
Puma
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

I don’t wonder 🤣

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

Considering that German and Irish are the majority strains in the largest white tribe outside of Europe, combined with the outstanding traits and history of the rest, their militance and their savage treatment by other tribes-

careful, that tinder is stacked high and deep.

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Demographic facts
Demographic facts
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

“Considering that German and Irish are the majority strains in the largest white tribe outside of Europe.”
No they’re not.

Puma
Puma
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

They’re probably going to regret awaking certain long buried traits. Probably. Of course they love to stir up trouble and poke animals [in their view] with sticks.
Then cry out after they strike you. < diseased.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

If I’m understanding you correctly, I agree that (((they’ve))) been able to make something of a martyr out of Trump with this non-stop 4-year harassment and criticism. There is no one but the (((media))) to blame for this situation. Sure, there are Whites who despise Trump, but were it not for the (((media))), their numbers would be a fraction of what they are now. (((They))) create their own problems and then cry anti-semitism when non-Jews shine a light on it.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  KeepTheChange
3 years ago

Memes and running the particularly annoying ones into the ground was another sword the alt-right loved to fall on.

Ripple
Ripple
Reply to  KeepTheChange
3 years ago

Whatever happened to Exile? He was the biggest Jew-hater around here.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

The left is steadily drifting off like an iceberg into a sea of unreality…or, I should say, into a state of reality entirely of their own making.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

Have to wonder if the upside down world we are having forced on us isn’t a manifestation of the paranoia and lunacy that goes on in (((their))) heads. They have remade the world in their image. And now we all know just how f—-ked up they all are.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

What good has come from normalizing relations with china?

CAPT S
CAPT S
3 years ago

“Put the right group of people in the right situation and you get behavior that seems to spring from nowhere.” Exactly right. The scolds, the cowards, and the barbarians don’t “spring from nowhere” … that behavioral DNA is part/parcel of humanity. But my family, community, and culture taught me, from breast to manhood, that busybodies, sissies, and lowlife knuckle-draggers were the scum of humanity – not to be tolerated, and certainly not to be emulated or celebrated. That’s what my culture did for me – transition me from selfish/prideful boy into a civilized man. Heaped on top of that was… Read more »

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TomA
TomA
Reply to  CAPT S
3 years ago

Yes, and these idiots will continue to dominate the rest of us until some counter-force arises to change that. Some believe that community organizing is that force. While others believe that voting will eventually prevail. Yet others believe that we will simply “muddle through” this malaise and life goes on, so in the words of Alfred E. Neumann . . . What, Me Worry? My advice, anything thing worth having is worth fighting for, and if you’re not up to the task, what good are you really.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

A counter-force is absolutely necessary and is under development; we have Trump to thank for adding many to our numbers. Still, our side has an unfortunate tendency to divide into impotent cliques … instead we desperately need alliances. It’s not in everyone’s DNA to be a 21st century minuteman, but if I’m going to pick up a rifle I want to know that there’s a community behind me, a church that’s praying for me, and that the muddle-through “neutrals” won’t be grassing on me. It seems we’re both pointy-end-of-the-spear types, but we also need some fellow travelers in the rear… Read more »

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TomA
TomA
Reply to  CAPT S
3 years ago

Yes, living among like-minded people is a valuable resource and support system, which is why I advocate for moving into a rural community. Clans evolved in Europe because they “worked”, not because someone talked them into it. But a successful war against modern tyranny cannot be won the old fashioned way. A new paradigm is necessary. The paramount goal is to win, not die bravely.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

“…which is why I advocate for moving into a rural community.” Couldn’t agree more. After military retirement I brought my brood to a small farm – best decision of my life. But relocation – in and of itself – isn’t enough. If we’d melded with my rural community my clan would be as lost and helpless as ever. Once settled in the heartland, our people need to remove their kids from the government schools – period. We need to raise young people that know how to shoot, grow food, cook, and amuse themselves without teevee. They need to hang with… Read more »

Puma
Puma
Reply to  CAPT S
3 years ago

Do you have a trade? Because your country needs you to ply it, and you live here too…

Including and especially truck drivers and mechanics, as well as coders, etc…etc..
https://news.clearancejobs.com/2020/04/24/military-specialties-that-match-with-critical-civilian-jobs/

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/complete-list-of-army-enlisted-mos-s-3346173

Puma
Puma
3 years ago

Is the Trump we wanted Emerging? Against all previous analysis and judgment – cold judgment – that Trump is purging DS all round (he just dumped a bunch of DS neocons including Kissinger from Defense policy board yesterday) I am beginning to whitepull on Trump. I hate to sound Q-ish, and I don’t think there’s a plan, but what he is doing are not the actions of concession. I am only looking at facts not consistent with concession. Not to mention the legal cases in GA and MI, and the nationwide PR disaster of using Dominion, the sub amateur vote… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Puma
3 years ago

A U.S. House election is one option. Another is that GOP-led state legislatures appoint GOP electors after being shown massive vote fraud. Yet another is that one or more courts halt action by the electoral college. And still another is that several swing-state elections are outright reversed—either by court or state legislative action—giving wins to Trump. We are living through a stunning historical moment, with the outcome yet in doubt.

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jim Smith
3 years ago

Having that many paths to victory is very Sun Tzu.

So was disassociating from Sidney Powell and allowing her to operate independently.

The Flynn pardon is strategic in the sense that it nullifies Judge Sullivan’s ability to use his lawfare campaign to distract Sidney and team from the all-important electoral fraud effort.

Feeling a lot better about the Trump lawfare effort than I did last week.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Jim Smith
3 years ago

Are you certain? Because I’m not seeing that on any news feeds.

(kidding. Kinda.)

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

LOL ProZ: That was then, this is now. Check out non-MSM newsfeeds re events in Pennsylvania over the the last 15 or 20 hours.

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Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Puma
3 years ago

It’s as if our President is quickly following the path of enlightenment we have all taken (but four years too late, IMO). Perhaps the CivNatty President is dead and the dark side President is here. May it be so, and may it also be that he has four more years to exercise his new self.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Puma
3 years ago

One man is not a government.

At least, not here. At least, not yet.

The snakes in his own party have always been, and will forever be, his greatest Achilles heel.

Last edited 3 years ago by ProZNoV
Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Snakes can be eliminated, ProZ. It takes time, but everyone knows there is no place in the new GOP for snakes (not to mention other swamp creatures). True, we’ll never be rid of them entirely, but that doesn’t constitute an Achilles Heel, merely a problem to be managed.

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LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Puma
3 years ago

Trump will do nothing to protect our rights to speak or assemble. Trump will not get us out of any foreign entanglements. Trump will do little about mass immigration.

We are his booty call whom he calls when he has no one else. He spent all of his time trying to appeal to Javanka’s friends: global finance, jews, blacks, hispanics, and trannies.

Only when his back is against the wall and no one else answers his calls does he do a small amount on immigration, border security, election fraud, free speech, or endless wars.

Nonetheless, Trump is better than Biden.

Last edited 3 years ago by LineInTheSand
Puma
Puma
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

Dear Sir, Even TNR/ The New Republic noted that under Trump there was an egalitarian economic revival, which of course COVID and the lockdowns reversed. We have 500 new miles of wall, BTW, and I can go on. Just ending TPP was a massive blow he spared us. He didn’t start any new wars, and did his best to end the ones we have. He tried in person to open North Korea. All this while fighting off coups, and now a stolen election- all for the little he did for us, which was quite more than a little until 2020… Read more »

David
Reply to  Puma
3 years ago

I was white pilled on these points until george floyd and the jogger riots. Blm did 2 billion in damage, killing 36 people at least, and every major entity excused it. Supported it. Economics dont mean shit when you see your race will be hunted by others with impunity. So yes i support trump, but now only because we need to buy time for a real awakening and a real leader.

Bigtony
Reply to  Puma
3 years ago

ya you’ve gotta do the house cleaning before you enter. Not on your way out

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
3 years ago

The based Jew, the based Korean, the based Nigerian or whatever you fancy, always causes me some suspicion. Seeing that race is a significant factor in loyalty, I’d rather not have to deal with these fifth columnists. Naturally, when we must live in other communities we will choose the based Jew as a neighbour over a soppy white middle class leftist; but when defining our own community, I am afraid I would consider Mr Solomon Goldstein a liability. This does not mean there can be no functional relationship between different communities – but exclusion of people not matching certain base… Read more »

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  OrangeFrog
3 years ago

Separation/Segregation doesn’t need to imply no interchange or interaction. Since Tom Metzger died (Jim Goad’s eulogy is worth reading), there are all these old clips of him online. The Whoopi Goldberg interview was an enlightening reminder that America used to sort of take the free speech thing serious. Just like with Jared Taylor or Pat Buchanan, most of the times they tried to set him up, the interviewer came off liking him. There would be a lot less racial animosity if we weren’t foisted on each other against our will. They could visit and conduct business with us. I doubt… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

The possibility of being the situational ally. No more and no less, ever.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

Jim Goad is a grifter.
I get that people aren’t where they are today last week. But I not believe for one moment that he thinks any different than he did 20 years ago about any subject any dissident cares about. In addition to being a grifter, he is just a gadfly.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 years ago

Reporter, opportunist, grifter…mere synonyms in this context. Who cares. The guy wrote for a living for his entire professional life.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Forever Templar
3 years ago

Grifters, opportunists, gatekeepers, they are all bad for dissident politics.

B125
B125
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

Yeah, I have plenty of nonwhite friends and acquaintances. At least you can call a brown person “faggot” without him calling the cops for hate speech.

That said I’m highly aware of who is part of my group and never put positive experiences with other groups in front of it. My group is family, conservative Christians and generally any white person who is not woke and self hating. Other badwhites are starting to think tribally too – I dont even need to talk politics explicitly because we are smiling through unsaid words and it’s great. We’re on the same team.

Mockingbird
Mockingbird
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

Speaking of which, Pat Buchanan’s website (buchanan.org) has been “Suspended.” No explanation given.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Reply to  Mockingbird
3 years ago

I was just there;
it’s still online.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  OrangeFrog
3 years ago

Suspicion is healthy. There’s nothing abnormal about being such with people who aren’t similar to you. Privately, people who are quick to adopt new ideals (sometimes ideas) and accept outsiders quickly struck me as whores. Oh noes, the edginess.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Cross-breeding of plants can result in a characteristic that does not exist in the two plants that have been crossbred by a curious gardener. Domestic animal breeders, from time to time, will bump into this. The Ocicat is a great example crossbreeding two animals and getting a result that has qualities not present in the parents. Insects colonies are a great example of emergent behavior. I’m gonna geek out a little bit b/c that stumbled on one of my interests, zoology and also I’m kinda enjoying a slight break from politics. So if this is too OT apologies and the host… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Hah, call you a nerd but well-meaning chiding doesn’t come across well via text. What got you interesting in zoology?

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Forever Templar
3 years ago

Haha I’ve always been interested in animals. I went to Africa as a student, that’s where I picked up my moniker. I think Africa is a must-see, it’s life w/o cushions or safety rails. But I believe ‘Africa’ should stay in Africa; there’s a reason they don’t ride zebras or raise African buffaloes for beef, they’re too wild.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

You really should look into the origins of cows and probably wild horses and really ANY domesticated animal or even plant. If you found wolves in Africa (maybe you do, I don’t know), you could tell a GREAT story about how wolves are just too wild and too vicious for domestication. This is one of the dumbest arguments Jared Diamond makes in guns, germs and steel. No domesticated animals is proof that there were no animals suitable for domestication. We have all kinds of staple foods whose ancestors were basically not edible. Some Russians domesticated foxes in a few generations… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 years ago

Hehe reality is always more complex than a brief comment on a blog allows for. I actually largely agree w you. But take bovines. Buffalo Bill killed thousands of American bison and was never harmed, many others had similar records. And this is in the black powder days, not modern cordite magnum rifles.Even today, w modern big game hunting rifles, PH’s (professional hunters) are wary of the African buffalo even though it is smaller than the American bison. Big game hunters during the Brit Empire were in the best position to judge b/c they could hunt African buffalo, Indian water… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

That hunting bit is interesting. Seriously, do you run a blog or got some favorite zoology sites you like to visit?

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Forever Templar
3 years ago

Thanks. I dont actually have a blog, I don’t think I have the time which may be a lame excuse coz Im not saying those who do have too much time. But I think there are tons out there and some are good. And animals are fascinating, also b/c you can recognize animal behavior in us.

David
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

I was about to object and reference 10,000 year expllosion and some of gregory cochrans articles, but you steered in the right direction there at the end. It seems cold winters may have lead to the discovery of farming, domestication of animals, and even the gene for digesting milk, all of which controllled for higher intelligence and altruism, aka, the domestication of europeans. I read somewhere that besides a few aging birds, colorful eyes only exist in european descended humans and their domesticated animals. Coincidence.?

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  David
3 years ago

I don’t know about the color of eyes but I suspect that you wanted to object b/c it sounded Jared Diamond-like. And while I DO believe in the specific case of bovines than the African buffalo is more dangerous than aurochs or bison, based on what serious hunters say, the only control case I can think of is the Asian water buffalo. India has two giant bovines in the jungles, the gaur and the water buffalo. The wild water buffalo is far more feared than the gaur. But the water buffalo has also been domesticated. So maybe you COULD domesticate… Read more »

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  David
3 years ago

The cold winter excuse seems like BS because it was cold in North America and they never invented the wheel..

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Haha, rich douchebag, if we want to see african animals we can go to detroit or philly Why deplete the trust fund to seek the real deal.card carrying banana cheiftan?

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Dennis Roe
3 years ago

lol you’d scare yourself shitless if some of the stuff I saw happened to you haha

Severian
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

One thing I’ve been thinking through a lot lately are the dysgenic implications of permanent caloric surplus. Our emergent behaviors track pretty closely to the emergent behaviors in Calhoun’s “rat utopia,” which, though it was supposed to be about overcrowding, actually showed what happens when permanent caloric surplus sends all survival instincts haywire. Unless you’re a bodybuilder or distance runner, you’re carrying far more fat than the “natural” homo sap body is designed to handle (I speak as a fat guy). That has all kinds of interesting biochemical effects… and we’ve been in that state for a couple generations now,… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Could very well be that caloric surplus is a situation that trips up our survival instincts. Anonymous Conservative argues that humans can transform from a K strategy suited for scarce resources (hierarchy, distinct male and female roles, competitive, strong distinction between in-group and out-group, aggressive territoriality) to an r strategy, suited for an environment where food is not a limiting resource and which is largely the opposite. He thinks ppl who instinctively favor a K strategy are ‘conservatives’ or ‘right wing’ and ppl who want an r strategy are leftists. I find the idea intriguing.

Severian
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

I’ve thought a lot on that as well, and I agree with him. I’m in the process of thinking this through, as any new political theory for the new age will have to take some basic biological facts into account (prior political theory assumes that human nature is unchanging, which is false).

Puma
Puma
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Oh stop worrying about caloric surplus. That can easily be reversed by this one neat trick; $Dollar+Price Discovery=HUNGER You see the American food distribution system- not food itself but the distribution system requires money to function, or it collapses. With it goes ‘caloric surplus.’ Its also the next big repressive step, and so obvious. Hunger is classic repression, ask the Irish, Ukrainians, Ethiopians, the oldest Germans perhaps too. BTW $+Price Discovery=gasoline distribution breakdown as well. And without the trucks ain’t shit on the shelves either. So you can stop ninnying about surplus calories and start worrying about 2500 a day.… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Puma
3 years ago

I think you’re missing the point, that caloric surplus for the last 100 yrs has dulled healthy tribal instincts. That seems quite plausible. That food distribution may break down in the future and that that may have some interesting effects on society, is true but a different issue.

Puma
Puma
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

I actually agree partially, only partially. I just don’t think its a particularly useful tack to take. What can be done? Nothing. Will it continue? No. I think even if history is not obeyed – I mean history’s lessons and methods of repression for elites, not Marxist History – I think hunger happens because our finances are insane, and = hunger. Hunger putting it mildly will be a shock to Americans more than most. It hasn’t really happened since the 17th century. Isolated examples such as The Donner Party – good 19th C. SJWs that they were – are not… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Yes, life form dynamics a very complex puzzle, and there are significant modal differences between ocean-based and land-based species’ dynamics. More significantly yet, for about a billion years, natural forces dominated evolutionary development. It ‘s only in the last few millennia (or even perhaps the last few generations) that artificial (man-made) evolutionary forces have come to dominate our path forward. Personally, I think we are now in a race between a natural colony collapse event and artificial DNA manipulation into an entirely novel neo-species.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Severian, I have been following your blogs for a while, and your rat utopia/permanent caloric surplus discussions caused me to think through the situations of all my known high school/college peers, as to their marriage and children status. Dozens of well-off white people, few marriages, almost no children. Less than 50% ever married, and perhaps 15% to 20% ever started a family. I don’t count post-college peers, because my own experience as married and a parent dictated almost all of those relationships. Question to the commentariat, is my tally one that you see as well?

B125
B125
Reply to  Dutch
3 years ago

Wow that’s extremely low. Even goodwhites in Toronto have a fertility rate of about 1.

Severian
Reply to  Dutch
3 years ago

When you start looking at it, it’s everywhere. The characteristic rat utopia behavior develops everywhere you get a group in permanent caloric surplus. It explains the instant weirdness of the Roman Empire’s elite much better than, say, lead in the water pipes.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

I can remember reading one of the Taubes or Luestig books on diet and food where one of them made the point that fat tissue is self-perpetuating.

Apparently fat tissue releases hormones that encourage a person to feel hungry and eat to fill the hunger.

The more fat tissue, the more hormones and the stronger the sense of hunger.

Rinse and repeat.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

How would we know if it was emergent behavior or iterative evolution?

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Higgs Boson
3 years ago

It can be both, those are two different things. Evoluton IS iterative, each generation is an iteration.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
3 years ago

I question how well Jews were policing their own ranks 100 years ago. The ADL was formed about a hundred years ago and it was explicitly anti-white. It was basically formed to defend a Jew (Leo Frank)who raped and murdered a white child and then tried to pin it on a black and blamed antisemitism for his being blamed. The Leo Frank story is a pretty good example of why we live in our countries and why we should. This guy was probably just a pervert weirdo. But because he was an ethnic minority, his fellows saw his being blamed… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 years ago

Yeeks. I’ve got a twitter thread somewhere about millenia of ritual child sacrifices, with a number of both biblical quotes and historical examples. Mary Phagan may have been such a ritual murder, like Indian Thuggees, thus the conspiracy to coverup.

(And, the promotion of abortion products as an industry. Kosher and halal slaughter too.)

This is something hidden in their culture that has been fought over for a very long time, since their beginning.

The fight against it may have been an emergent movement. Thus, the existential battle against the Christ as the final sacrifice. No more feeding.

Last edited 3 years ago by Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Not hatred.

Pity. Pity for them all.

We are resistant, they are vulnerable.

Not their fault, not anybody’s fault, not even the blind Creator.

(We are the palliative, the best the universe can do with the materials at hand.)

We have the largest numbers who are born with natural resistance- due to our cold, slightly weird mechanical, frontal cortex brains. K-theory reinforces such a trait.

The hot passions, the throbbing social focus of the insula dominant breeder-brains: they are more vulnerable, more susceptible.

And our caloric, hygenic, and medical success has caused the explosion of the vulnerable r.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Oops. What am I referring to?

The Infection.

The ‘spiritual’ driver of Nature’s hungry ruthlessness, her expansions and collapses.

We call it evil, but it is really merely mindless.

(I’m thinking right now it’s a resonant wavefront below 6 Mhz, but that’s very tentative, as I am deeply ignorant with much to learn.)

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tarstarkas
tarstarkas
3 years ago

I used to think these past periods of behavior were really fascinating. People actually ran up the prices of tulip bulbs, at least some rare varieties to the price of a fine home. Our so-called leaders look at these old events and feel smug and superior, completely blind to their own madness. They have even gone as far as developing entire academic schools of thought designed to encourage mass delusion. It never even occurs to them that maybe the version of themselves 10 years ago who did not think a man in a dress was self-evidently a woman might have… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 years ago

I think the lunacy today is greater than it has ever been before. The gender confusion would be exhibit #1 to support that.

whitney
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Yeah screaming ‘trust the science!!’while denying biologic reality is near the top of schizophrenic behavior

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

No one’s cutting your balls off, slitting your throat and sticking your head on a stake. Lunacy has a presense, that you’ll be aware off, too late.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 years ago

The hunchback can’t see the hump on his back

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
3 years ago

The problem with multiracial society is that it becomes much harder to have a common culture.

An Englishman and a Belgian can both look up to King Leopold II, a Belgian and an African can’t. Or a Dutchman and a Black celebrating black face Santa in the Netherlands.

The more multiracial, the more generic and weak your culture.

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Tykebomb
3 years ago

Partially correct. However mixing White cultures is little better, Englishmen naturally have little affinity for Leopold II, though certainly more than an African who may have a legitimate beef with stuff he did as ruler.
The desire to rule over people who are not our own from birth is poison. I get the urge, it makes one richer and more powerful but it never a good idea.
English Kings for English Men is the best way to go.

TomA
TomA
3 years ago

Just got up. Haven’t had time to listen to podcast yet, but would like to add one more item to the list of bizarre emergent behaviors that could be in our offing. Colony collapse (and it’s variants) is observed in many species in nature where some underlying pathology runs rampant through the population and all of the normal checks & balances have failed to self-correct.

B125
B125
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

Great example: South Korea

Total fertility rate in 2020: will be about 0.85 children per woman.

Dont know anything about Korean culture. But I do know that this is an extinction level fertility as each generation will now be shrinking by over 60%.

TomA
TomA
3 years ago

OK, just finished the podcast. We agree that the 2022 election cycle is a good opportunity to send a message to the Uniparty. But I don’t think your plan for community organizing a boycott of the GOPe is likely to be effective. If you really want to play to win this battle, then the fatal shiv is a new Trump political party that will actually rally all the diehard MAGA fanatics to a third party. Ross Perot proved that this is no trivial option. Not only would that crater many incumbent GOP dinosaurs, but more than a few new MAGA… Read more »

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

The MAGA party. That’s one way to get the opposition (RINOS included) jumping off rooftops.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Higgs Boson
3 years ago

Trump leading and funding a Third Party challenge to the Uniparty would be deadly to the DC ruling class. Populism would explode because a Biden Administration will double-down on COVID restrictions, killing off almost all small businesses (think how popular that will be) and a rebirth of Obamacare will doom healthcare services just as the Boomers start to breakdown and really need it. But best of all, Biden will throw open the borders and outsiders will flood in by the tens of millions. The muddle-through believers will be the last to see doom in oncoming freight train. And Nero and… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

Trump leading and funding a Third Party challenge to the Uniparty would be deadly to the DC ruling class.” Utter foolishness, Tom; the result would be permanent limitless Democrat/Socialist power. The emerging GOP IS the alternative to the Uniparty. Look at the Lincoln Project and so many other RINO’s jumping ship, sidelined, or eliminated: Paul Ryan, McCain, George Conway, Karl Rove, Corker, Christie, Whitman, Scarborough, Flake, the 55 House Republicans who retired in 2018, every Republican who has accepted Biden as the “winner”, the list goes on and on. And we’re just getting started.

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Puma
Puma
Reply to  Jim Smith
3 years ago

Seriously? Still talking about elections?
Our votes don’t exist. We didn’t vote.
Our vote this month never happened.
Just getting started? That’s nice. The other side is just mopping up.
Our votes don’t exist.
We keep believing in elections and laws and we won’t exist.
More People’s have vanished from the Earth than survived.
Let’s not join them.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Jim Smith
3 years ago

The road to redemption does not run through the Republican Party. Only a grassroots rebellion by honest-to-God real and patriotic Americans can save us from the cancer of tyranny that infests all of DC. Rooting for the Republicans to have a Come-To-Jesus reincarnation is a fools errand and only delays the inevitable crash and rebirth.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
3 years ago

“…they are going to have to fear us a little…” I keep wondering how far they can push people around before people just get mad. These people are incredibly vulnerable. White people had all the money, power and guns in Haiti. Every last white person was either murdered or driven off of the island. Illiterate African slaves did this. The elite, by definition are a tiny minority. Our elite is way too big, but it is still maybe a couple percentage points. Their money and power can protect them from a lot, but not an angry determined population motivated to… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 years ago

The Foundations. Why do they exist, why are they protected? They’re the seed money and laundry of the deep state.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

How soon you forget.
Go have a look at the 1954 Reese Committee on Foundations and the Dodd report that summarized the findings.
The Foundations were aiming for a system of global governance.

Rich
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Pardon Snowden and Assange, declassify tons of documents going back to the JFK assassination, watch the fur fly, and the chips fall. What’s a bigger national security risk, the existing pace of corruption or the revelation of the truth?

Sidvic
Sidvic
Member
Reply to  Rich
3 years ago

I would like to see Trump pardon Rittenhouse that would be funnier than hell. Intellectually i understand that Trump or Biden doesn’t really make a difference to us. Nonetheless I find myself being pulled into being angry that these bastards are so blatantly stealing election.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 years ago

>> White people had all the money, power and guns in Haiti. Every last white person was either murdered or driven off of the island. Illiterate African slaves did this. None of these statements are very accurate. Haiti had a substantial free mulatto population who were referred to as “colored” rather than “black” and who owned and operated their own slave plantations. The distinction between “colored” and “black” still survives in the Caribbean. The colored population vied with the white population for power in the colony. The black slaves who revolted got quite lucky and fell into a large pile… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Guest
3 years ago

Hmm, I read a book called “Where Black Rules White,” which is either late 19th century or early 20th, basically before PC ran amok. It shows at length how dysfunctional Haiti became. I don’t recall whether I got information about the revolution in that book or somewhere else, but I am wanting to say it was somewhere else, so I might have some of the details wrong. (I pulled up that series. Thanks for recommending it) Still, I think it does illustrate that without voluntary compliance with social norms and laws, the police are very quickly overwhelmed. We see it… Read more »

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  tarstarkas
3 years ago

People still believe in democracy so they won’t revolt. That is changing fast with this election though and if Biden gets anointed as President , all bets are off.
Personally I think the purpose of the Q Anon psysop is to slow the repudiation of the system however we shall see in a few weeks I guess.

Dirtnapninja
Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

In terms of how vicious these spiteful mutants are, Richard Meyer is a guy who got started on youtube creqting cheap videos in his car,on his phone that made light-hearted fun of the crappy comics these people make. They went berserk with rage, and tried to ruin his life. Fortunately, Meyer is doing just fine, and shrugged it off, and now creates his own comics for a living. Meyer was a soldier in Iraq. He fought honest to god real terrorists and fanatics. He said that none of the people he fought could match the viciousness, heartlessness and sheer vindictiveness… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

The murderers the US sent t\o Iraq were the “terrorists and fanatics”.

James O'Meara
James O'Meara
3 years ago

“Some historians have argued this is what happened in Germany in the period after the Great War when the Nazi rose to power. The panic over witches and witchcraft in early New England is another cited example. All of a sudden, people began to act in ways that were not typical of their past behavior.” “Some historians” should just admit that the smartest, best educated people in Europe began to notice a problem and tried to fix it; no need for complex psycho-biological explanations. “If a nation wants to exterminate its pests, what business is it of any other nation?”… Read more »

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  James O'Meara
3 years ago

No one could accuse the Nazi leadership of being smart. Indeed it was their inexhaustable supply of potent stupidity that led to their utter defeat from the most favorable position in 1938. Most of the Nazi leadership was on a par with anti-Fa. Child molesters, homosexuals, deviants, weirdos, mystics, and worse. The officer corps until the takeover was devoid of Nazis who were considered weirdo street brawlers. Until the takeover there were no Nazi professors, no doctors, no lawyers, no normal middle or upper class people. Afterwards yes ambitious people like Oscar Schindler joined the party for business advancement. But… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

So you’d make the perfect Nazi then.

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
3 years ago

The same (((media))) that brought us non-stop, 24/7, “Russian-meddling in our 2016 election” for 4 years, also brought us non-stop, 24/7 ACTUAL-meddling in our 2020 election via non-stop lying about systemic racism, BLM, Antifa, the fraudulent election, etc.! How is it that we all don’t see that the main problem is the (((media)))?? There are other Deep-State problems, but I think that the media provides cover for all of the (((others))).

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
3 years ago

The levels of violence and lack of impulse control might be an indication that regressive DNA is being activated. Perhaps a set of survival skills that would prove beneficial is the positive to that negative. Just when you think life isn’t an adventure anymore, it is.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Higgs Boson
3 years ago

The Zman has pointed out how hanging the bad seeds gave us nice, useful betas a chance to have the kids instead and build an Industrial Revolution.

Now, prosperity has allowed sociopathy to breed again, since it was a mate-gathering strategy in the first place.

Look at Mexico. No death penalty, so they end up ruled by Cartel broods.

Tainter’s complexity theory needs to include mating biology. Ruthlessness is the oldest way to reach the top of the tree and get the largest harem.

May the trees bend under their weight!

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Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

One possibility for the emerging new survival skill set is the acceptance of a future without the evolutionary dead ends presently fouling our world.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Higgs Boson
3 years ago

You’ll have to be ruthless about it. I’ve even seen soft headed liberals at the Atlantic getting squeamish about voluntary testing and voluntary eugenic abortion for things like Down’s Syndrome.

James O'Meara
James O'Meara
3 years ago

“Recounts very seldom change anything”

Except, of course, if it would favor the Democrat. Funny how that works.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  James O'Meara
3 years ago

They just finished a recount in Wisconsin when an audit was required.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

The podcast now running in the background, I completely agree w Z’s theory on how the fraud happened. There are fewer conspiracies (but there are still some) and more instinctively synchronized behavior than we often think.

Hamsumnutter
Hamsumnutter
3 years ago

I know that giving nick a chance, and assuming he’s going to act like a 20 year old and not holding that against him makes sense. This thing isn’t or shouldn’t be treated like hobby ( done once in awhile or on the weekends, or for a half hour every morning) we have to live it. And that’s going to require young blood. And every thing that comes with that. I just hope he doesn’t hang around with Alex Jones and his silver bullet snake oils to much. When I see that guy, I tune out. Unless it’s Saturday morning… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
3 years ago

Your fourth paragraph perfectly encapsulates the situation.
Well done,

Whiskey
Whiskey
3 years ago

Great podcast. I will say that liberal people of a certain background are reading the tea leaves which since the 1990s at least have been pointing towards a comprehensive solution of the Deplorable problem. So they are just getting on top of the wave hoping to surf it and avoid wipeout. I do agree with the emergent behavior, and the need to make elites fear us, but disagree that the emerging behavior is not predictable. I think Nietzche’s approach, of assigning the worst possible motive one can think of for behavior then assuming an even worse one upon consideration is… Read more »

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
3 years ago

OK, if I’ve seen this once, I’ve seen it a dozen times … if you put the word, “Jew”, in your comment, then it’ll will be set to “Awaiting Approval”. What is there to approve? Are those people ruling over this site, as well??

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

Saw a great banner on a barn driving through a rural area today.

It read:

Democrats for Trump-

Stop China!

Save the USA!

PaoloG
PaoloG
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

Yea cuz China gutted manufacturing, increased housing and healthcare costs, concentrated the wealth of the country into jewish hands, and so on. Yup, China. People on the right are dumb as rocks, I swear.

Hamsumnutter
Hamsumnutter
Reply to  PaoloG
3 years ago

And made some pretty nice neckties too

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  PaoloG
3 years ago

Agree.

whitney
Member
3 years ago

Good podcasts. On the theme of things breaking down I really enjoyed Delta’s just total collapse on Thanksgiving Day. That was really something to see. When I was a little girl I used to fly by myself from time I was 6 on and always on Delta, the only Airline my parents trusted. Amazing

Frip
Member
3 years ago

Around 22:00, a reader asks for podcasts to listen to. I’ll offer some. Mostly via YouTube. Since almost every D-Right YouTuber has been purged, most the following fall under the vague category of Anti-PC. Well, you take what you can get when you’re stuck in traffic. My list will be made over a few postings.

Kieth Woods – Young Irish political philosopher. Anti capitalist. 27K subs
YouTube – Keith
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGe8kzr_18FIOzjkmzGzzuA

Bitchute – Keith. 7K subs
https://www.bitchute.com/keithwoods/

Morgoth’s Review – Middle aged Scottish D-Righter. 34K subs
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzIe02cUmtDWJtch8mU3I9A

Red Elephants – Vincent James – banned from YouTube. Bitchute. 47K subs
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/bWargwAUQYXi/

CF O'Mally
CF O'Mally
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

I took Zs advice and looked up The Myth of the 20th Century podcast. I picked one that I know quite a bit about, but unfortunately clearly they didn’t. Thanks for the heads up on Gell-man amnesia. Fool me once…

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  CF O'Mally
3 years ago

Which episode or topic?
In general I have a high opinion of the Myth boys but I’m still curious about your criticisms.

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CF O'Mally
CF O'Mally
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

Just pick one that you feel like you know well to test the hypothesis.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  CF O'Mally
3 years ago

I know cryptology well and they are solid on that. Why won’t you be specific?

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

Morgoth is not Scottish, he is an Englishman from the North-East. His channel is excellent and he is one of the best original thinkers anywhere.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
3 years ago

You’re being signed up for a rigged game, with rules that favor the few. A new world order is for the rich. the working man is just soylent green.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
3 years ago

Now that the DNA banks are full thanks to all those fun-for-the whole family mail-in swabs, it will be interesting to see what kind of iterative evolution eugenics the globalists will cook up in their labs. Good to know there’s a backup plan in case they accidentally wipe out too many hominids.

Bilejones
Member
3 years ago

As posted on Unz.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, is there any truth to the rumor (that I’ve just started) that Biden’s first official act will be the purchase of Epstein’s Lolita Island to be the new Camp David?

Frip
Member
3 years ago

Around 22:00, a reader asks for podcasts to listen to. I’ll offer some. Mostly via YouTube. Since almost every D-Right YouTuber has been purged, most the following fall under the vague category of Anti-PC. Well, you take what you can get when you’re stuck in traffic. I’m not including links, as I think that messes up the posting rules or something. Kieth Woods – Young Irish political philosopher. Anti capitalist. Both on YouTube and Bitchute. 27K subs Morgoth’s Review – Middle aged Scottish D-Righter. 34K subs Red Elephants – Vincent James – banned from YouTube. Bitchute. 47K subs Douglass Murray: Brit pub intellectual.… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

Continued: Some of these are just entertaining background listening. And at the very least not Prog. The Jolly Heretic – Prof. Edward Dutton. Evolutionary Psy. Eccentric, jumpy. 48K subs Mark Collett – British political activist.  95K subs Identity Dixie – Independent channel, no YT. Liberty Media – archived Nick Fuentes YT videos Liberal Hive Mind – Woke sarcastic clips. 340K subs Revenge of the Cis: ROTC – Regular Joes. Good time bar convo. Often annoying and adolescent. Subtle woke on race and bagels. 38K subs Salty Cracker – 30ish guy’s snarky take on topical stuff. 508K subs Awaken with J.P. – Skits about modern PC culture.… Read more »

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KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
3 years ago

Did anyone listen to Trump on the Maria Bartolomeo show this morning? I did and I was very disappointed in Trump. This was his big opportunity to lay out his case, tell us where things are going, etc., but, instead, he was woefully short on any details and just repeated himself alot. Maria tried to get the analysis going by using a state-by-state approach, but Trump went off on his own train of thought, which was short on details and anything that we could hope to hang our hats on. Probably millions of people watching and he just seems completely… Read more »

greyenlightenment
3 years ago

The holidays are slow and this is among the slowest

awildgoose
awildgoose
3 years ago

Here’s a white-pilled contrast to Whiskey’s last post, an affadavit that was posted on a thread over at ZeroHedge:

http://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18693929/1/15/king-v-whitmer/

This is supposedly one of dozens, possibly similar filings.

If true, there are clear, documented signs that foreign powers were involved in and interfered with our federal elections. Those signs point to powers including Iran and China.

Also, if this filing and its brethren are true, it points to military intelligence as Trump’s best and most powerful ally in battling the Swamp.

WCiv...---...
WCiv...---...
Reply to  awildgoose
3 years ago

It would be called a wild goose chase, Goose. Evidence, points of law, trials, poof! Gone. The state can do whatever it wants to now. Arrest you, censor you, get you fired, lose your credit, take your money. Who is going to stop them?

Steve Ryan
Steve Ryan
3 years ago

Dan Carlin kicks ass.

Whiskey
Whiskey
3 years ago

I would like to add that Trump was a predictable disaster. He made lefty furious and hungry for vengeance but did nothing to stop them. It was like taunting a pit bull behind a rickety fence. Trump will almost certainly die in prison after a show trial. And indeed there will be show trials and imprisonment for nearly all Trump voters. Tlaib and Omar are pushing a bill to abolish prison (but only for blacks) and its a likely slam dunk. After the Dems fake their way to power in Georgia, by stealing the election, its a packed court, gun… Read more »

Joe
Joe
3 years ago

Such dishonest coverage of Groypers. They don’t claim to be right wing and fight with the left? YOU don’t like TRS for some reason. It seems to me that something personal happened behind the scenes and you are holding a grudge.

Explain how the Groyper strategy of trying to infiltrate the GOP is going to work when you yourself have admitted that that strategy won’t work? These people are a year away from being TPUSA.

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ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  Joe
3 years ago

Not a fan of Fuentes personally. He seems like a little weiner who likes hanging out with sexual weirdos. The fact that he is able to stay on Youtube makes me suspicious that he might be controlled opposition. That being said, his people are essentially on our said, and the feuding between him and the TRS guys is silly. But this is something that is a two way street, and his group of freaks and irony bros are just as responsible for this feud as the TRS side. The thing that makes me lean towards the TRS side is they… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  ronehjr
3 years ago

The fact that he is able to stay on Youtube makes me suspicious that he might be controlled opposition.” As far as I can tell his channel was banned from YouTube at the start of 2020. If you can still see him on YT it’s because other channels sometimes post his content.

Sam
Sam
Member
Reply to  ronehjr
3 years ago

I don’t know what trs is but I like Fuentes. Seems alright to me…

Raslip Mugfrid
Raslip Mugfrid
Member
Reply to  Joe
3 years ago

Man cannot live on memes alone

Jason
Jason
Reply to  Joe
3 years ago

I would imagine Z man correctly recognizes the TRS crew as a cult. There can be no disagreement with the cult’s positions. None will be tolerated. Their positions (or their “take or the “shot” as they refer to their opinions/facts) can also change dramatically. At one time, Trump was the “God emperor”. Now he is absolute scum and deserves to be jailed, or worse.

Some Guy
Some Guy
Reply to  Jason
3 years ago

Agreed. I was a paywall subscriber until they started deleting any comments I made that didn’t fit their narrative but not in a cartoonish way that could be pointed and laughed at. When they deleted a comment about The White Hot Takes (saying it would be nice if they put out more content again), I walked away. By that time, Marcus Halberstram, Lauritz con Guildhausen, Larry Ridgeway, etc. had left so that decision was an easy one to make.

Some Guy
Some Guy
Reply to  Jason
3 years ago

The content on TRS is bad: TDS – No real attempts to be funny, the slap fighting between Sven and Mike is tiring. They’re more or less stuck with each other and that’s likely why they haven’t split. FTN – Rarely covers the news, focuses their attention on how everyone and everything is controlled by the chosenites. Jazzhands is extremely arrogant, outright saying “we’ll tell you what to think” even though they lost serious credibility getting COVID wrong and never bothering to own up to it. Strike and Mike – Two Duginist/Strasserists rambling for three hours about Jews. The Third… Read more »

Jason
Jason
Reply to  Some Guy
3 years ago

FTN is undoubtedly the worst. The arrogance is off the charts. Never seen anything quite like it. Third Rail used to be good with Borzoi. TDS remains somewhat listenable, due to Mike’s “gift of gab”. Otherwise, they are all very angry, hate their audience and probably hate that they can do nothing in life but do more and more nihilistic podcasts.
I predict they will do either a mass shooting or group suicide. Or perhaps COVID will take them all out as predicted on FTN for several months.