Observations On The Drug War

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For generations now, libertarianism has been synonymous with the legalization of recreational drugs. It is probably a bit unfair, as libertarianism has a lot more to it than just legalizing weed, but there is no getting around the fact that they have been obsessed with the topic for a long time. Libertarians take the broadest possible view on what could be considered recreations drugs. Their belief is that people can figure out for themselves what drugs they should or should not take.

The libertarian case rests on a number of assumptions about the human condition and human organization. One is that people are rational and act in their best interests or what they believe to be their best interests. The other is that you are responsible only for you and you have no duty to your neighbors or community. Those unable to sort their best interests may kill themselves with drugs, but that’s their problem. You and the rest of society have no duty or right to stop them.

Again, there is more to libertarianism than the legalization of drugs, but it makes for a useful entry point to examine their claims about a wide range of things. Their arguments about drugs can be applied to many other areas of life. That is the stock response from libertarians when they are chided about their drug obsession. Although they are extremely careful to avoid being explicit, the same arguments about drugs could be applied to speech, assembly, personal defense and so on.

Unlike most of the claims from libertarians, we now have some real-world experiments in the drug realm to test their claims. Not only have we had drug prohibition, we now have a lot of experience with legalization. We even have the unofficial decriminalization of drugs in several cities now. If the cops are told to ignore open drug use in a city, that is de fact decriminalization. Generations of claims about the drug war can now be measured against the reality of drug legalization.

The easy stuff to look at are the claims about crime. In places that have legalized marijuana, overall crime rates have not changed much. Property crime rates have not changed significantly and violent crime has actually ticked up, but that has happened in areas that did not legalize weed. In the cities that have effectively decriminalized drug use, like Seattle and Portland, crime has gone up significantly, but there are other factors at work in these cities driving the rise in crime.

There are fewer people in the court system for possession charges now, but no reasonable person doubted that claim. If we stopped arresting people for murder, the courts would see a drop in murder cases. The argument for or against legalizing drugs was never about courts of prisons. It is about the overall quality of life. If a big robust criminal justice system is what we need in order to have a high quality of life, only crazy people will complain about that trade-off. Life is nothing but trade-offs.

When you look at what has been happening in the country in total since states began to experiment with drug legalization, a pattern emerges. We have seen a sharp rise in taxes at the state level, some owing to taxes on drug sales, but also a sharp decline in the rule of law. The Western states, where marijuana legalization first started, has seen a collapse in civil order. You have massive homeless camps in Los Angeles, anarchy in Seattle and Portland. Anarcho-tyranny is the rule out west now.

Another point worth mentioning is that the states rushing to legalize drugs have also been some of the worst offenders of Covid lockdowns. California is operating under a bizarre form of martial law. Criminals and bums can run wild in the streets, but normal businesses are being shuttered over Covid. Maine has wrecked their tourist industry over Covid, despite few cases. Massachusetts is operating under a curfew. Maybe these states did not legalize weed for libertarian reasons.

 

It is important to underscore that the collapse of civil order in drug legalizing states is not caused by drug fiends running the streets. The bums, drug fiends, petty criminals and bourgeois revolutionaries are symptoms of a larger decline in civil order. The image that is beginning to emerge is that drug legalization efforts correspond with a collapse in the willingness of state government to maintain order. The Covid hysteria is probably just another indicator of this collapse in civil order.

There is another angle to the drug legalization claims. For generations, the image of drug legalization promoted by libertarians was that potheads would be growing weed in their backyards and drugstores would be dispensing harder drugs just as they sell products for foot fungus and allergies. If you liked smoking pot, you could grow some plants in the backyard with your artisanal lettuce. If you had a heroin addiction, your doctor would provide a prescription for safe heroin.

On the latter point we have plenty of evidence that the libertarians were completely wrong about legalizing hard drugs. The opioid crisis in America was created by those benign drug companies. The claim for generations was that business would never try to kill its customer base. It turns out that was false. The Sackler family was perfectly willing to genocide the population for a quick buck. Just imagine if they did not have to work through the legal system in order to deliver drugs to people.

We won’t have to wait to learn what would have happened. The marijuana business is well on its way to becoming the marijuana industrial complex. Companies operating what amount to government monopolies in the growing of pot are now worth billions and growing rapidly. When the business plan for billion-dollar corporations with special access to government is built on getting your kids hooked on drugs, it is not hard to predict what will happen. Let a thousand Sacklers bloom.

As with the breakdown in order where drug legalization is popular, the abuses of global capital in the drug trade are a symptom. Former Speaker of the House John Boehner is a marijuana lobbyist now. Former Speaker Paul Ryan is an off-the-books lobbyist in Washington, as he gobbles up corporate donations in preparation for a 2024 presidential run. Former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor is Managing Director at Moelis & Company, where he lobbies for business deals.

Taken in total, what we will see from the supply side of drug legalization is the same thing we see everywhere with global capital. Instead of government regulating business, it is business regulating government. The state is always the junior partner. It is a form of post-national colonialism, where global corporations extract resources from communities with the support of local politicians. The opioid crisis was just the first wave of what is about to come in the normalization of drug taking.

There are two takeaways from the first wave of drug legalization. One is the results are nothing like what libertarians predicted. The states that are legalizing drugs are not experiencing empty prisons and courtrooms. Crime has not plummeted as the trade has moved from the streets to the strip malls. There may be fewer people in jail for marijuana possession, but that was always a false metric. Those people are now in jail for other crimes now that they cannot plead down to possession.

The other takeaway is that drug legalization is not the point of the libertarian spear, but the leading edge of anarcho-tyranny. The states rushing to legalize drugs are experiencing the most civil unrest. These state governments are not legalizing drugs because they love liberty. They are doing it because they no longer have the will or the desire to maintain order. In fact, drug legalization appears to be a traveling partner of a growing wave of illiberal authoritarianism.


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WCiv...---...
WCiv...---...
20 days ago

In the beginning, the people ran the government. Then the government begins to run the people. Then the corporations begin to run the government, which runs the people. Who runs the corporations, that run the government that run the people? Let’s ask Adam Smith.

“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self interest. We address ourselves not to their humanity but to their self love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but to their advantages”

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  WCiv...---...
20 days ago

Best bakers, brewers, etc are the ones who do it out of love for their customers, seeing everyone happy enjoying their food and beer. Making a profit is the cherry on top.

WCiv...---...
WCiv...---...
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Without profits there would be no bread no beer no nothing to put the cherry on top of.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  WCiv...---...
20 days ago

That’s bull

yiure going to make money if you do a good job making people happy.

if profit is your sole motivator, you’ve already failed

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

You don’t own a building and loan business do you?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  David Wright
20 days ago

Lemme guess, you’re an accountant who is also a great chef

right. You can do it all. 😁

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  David Wright
20 days ago

Great movie.

Sadly our world no longer works like that, if it ever did.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
20 days ago

The requires a strong community
Community is not a thing to be encouraged under Capitalism.
As a matter if fact it has to be destroyed to maximize profits in the short run.
The fact that this increases the size of the state is irrelevant as many busineses prefer state money to market money anyway.

Major Lamp Light
Major Lamp Light
Reply to  David Wright
20 days ago

How many people own a building and loan business? Should society be run in the interests of a tiny minority or the overwhelming majority?

WCiv...---...
WCiv...---...
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

If you are in biz to make ppl happy, then you won’t be in biz long. Profits, my good man, and if you deliver a high quality product at a fair price then you can stay in biz and your customers will be happy. Maybe give your workers a Christmas bonus and make them happy too!

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  WCiv...---...
20 days ago

I’ve done great in business and my primary concern was keeping my clients happy

The money followed and was the cherry on top

I see you point, but putting money first and foremost is a big turnoff to clients and you won’t be very successful over the long haul. Anyone can do that. Anyone can read textbooks on how to manage money. But going the extra mile for the client / customer is what separates the men from the boys

jim regina
jim regina
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Suppose you could make more money if your customers were UNHAPPY…..would you continue to want to make customers happy??
Honesty to yourself is VERY important..

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  jim regina
20 days ago

Honesty to myself is I get a form of pleasure in doing a job well done and being appreciated for it by happy clients. It’s a symbiotic relationship, as it were.

jim regina
jim regina
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Just sayin’ that you make more money doing it your way….that’s a lot of the satisfaction….I’m on your side (but I see it)

Major Lamp Light
Major Lamp Light
Reply to  jim regina
20 days ago

Hollywood has made billions from self-hate propaganda and horror movies. People love to hate and be afraid. There’s definitely money in it. … but is that good for society, having Michael Moore tell Whites to hate themselves? China would never permit self-hating propaganda to be distributed in their society. Thus, they don’t have a situation where half the population hates and wants to destroy the other half.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  jim regina
20 days ago

The armchair free market economist says: “As long as the transaction is voluntary (customers are not forced to buy from him; your point is valid if seller was a monopoly perhaps), the good or service was sold without deception or fraud, the feelings of the customer are irrelevant.”
The armchair psychologist says: “Given a choice, people seek to maximize their happiness. Therefore, it is possible, but unlikley that a rational customer would choose to be unhappy, if he had the alternative to be happy.”

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

The mom and pop businesses, mostly bar and grill type pubs, now have realtor signs on the property. A lifetime of sacrifice down the tubes and the quality of life further diminished for the community.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Higgs Boson
20 days ago

Yep. Why Fauci needs to pay a real human price for his b.s.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

The appropriate price would be for him to be discredited in his lifetime, but don’t hold your breath. He’ll be long dead before the historians catch up to him. It’s a shame.

Well, at least Hillary got what she deserved in her lifetime. And it gets better when KH becomes President.

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Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

This is my town. It used to be safe and beautiful. The left has destroyed it. Fauci should not be allowed to walk away from this laughing as a warning to the others.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Our garbage government is going to find out the hard way what happens when desperate people become ungovernable.

Spin geraht
Spin geraht
Reply to  Falcone
19 days ago

Short rope, tall tree perhaps? Lol

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Eventually—hopefully—profits come. But in the meantime, bills always come. Most companies fold before they grow big enough to make *profits*. Can’t see what we are arguing over. The wife loved her job/business, it was the best days of her life—but 10+ hour days for no wages is unsustainable.

There were times that one hoped for $300 in sales in a day. In the end, some days were pulling in $10-15k, but it was a long, long haul.

Major Lamp Light
Major Lamp Light
Reply to  WCiv...---...
20 days ago

There’s more to life than profit. If you build a society where money is all that matters, don’t complain when corporations outsource key industries to competitors and flood your country with cheap labor. Putting material concerns above all else is why things are the way they are. Why would any (unregulated) company want to reduce its potential customer base by promoting exclusionary, non LGBTQ ideology? They wouldn’t, so now it’s actively promoted. Why would any company solely concerned with profit invest in a community when they can just push to immigrate a poorer, more pliant one? They wouldn’t; thus, Boeing… Read more »

ruralcounsel
ruralcounsel
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

He never said sole motivator. Don’t move the goal posts.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  ruralcounsel
20 days ago

“not from their benevolence” and out of “self interest” pretty much rules out everything but making money as the sole motivator, especially the language of that day and how it has been interpreted by every economist since then

Unless you’d care to explain

Major Lamp Light
Major Lamp Light
Reply to  ruralcounsel
20 days ago

Profit is the first thing libertarians run to without consideration for anything else. You get the impression that it’s the only thing they care about.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  ruralcounsel
20 days ago

He never said sole motivator. Don’t move the goal posts. This JIDF troll ,MLL,appeared here recently and moving the goal posts is what (((they))) do best. Juuuuuust enough convincing language to make rational people give it a 2nd thought but the more insidious agenda lies just beneath. Notice this (((agent))) never identifies WHY companies need to pander to LGBT, poor immigrants, etc. because all his skin suit wearing cohort torpedoed the nation that use to be like the Han Chinese where ethics and ‘community’ were at least partially baked into the cake. I’d advise taking anything this troll says with… Read more »

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Drew
Drew
Reply to  WCiv...---...
20 days ago

Which is there aren’t any non-profit businesses. /S

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Drew
20 days ago

There should be. The non-profits really rake it in 😀

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

King Tars would have them all arrested. Non-profits are a racket.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Unless you were being deliberately facetious, this attitude is precisely why people believe in socialism and communism. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” sounds high and noble. The only problem is it doesn’t work in the real world and never has. If such is really the law, then most people will want to be consumers with a “need,” to be supplied, presumably, by the workhorse willing to work 12-hour days seven days a week with nothing more than bread and water for a salary. Why would a person expend any effort,… Read more »

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

What does socialism have to do with a guy who finds joy and meaning in life in seeing others happy and appreciative of his work?

Give me a break lol

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Falcone – Perhaps consider a synthesis of the two. I absolutely believe you enjoy your work and pleasing your customers, but in exchange you were able to make a good living and provide for your family. The folks who refer to “It’s a Wonderful Life” have points on both sides. George was a solid, decent human being who sacrificed many of his hopes and dreams for others, made them happy, and was repaid by their friendship and kindness. In other ways, George was the classic ‘goy’ – he helped others prosper but at his own expense – and in real… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
20 days ago

I hear ya. I just like doing things right and well. It keeps me alive.

Major Lamp Light
Major Lamp Light
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

And yes, the profit motive can lead to excesses too. But that is well tempered if competition is allowed. Corporations naturally seek to lower competition through various means to increase their bottom lines — mergers, illegal business practices, theft, etc. When those same corporations control the government regulatory bodies (which they certainly do now), you’re not getting any competition. That’s the logical endpoint of libertarian dogma, regardless of how you sugar-coat it: >Libertarians: “Small government, little regulation” >Corporations rig the market by manipulating weak regulatory bodies >Result: less innovation, less competition >Libertarians: “we need less regulation to fix this problem… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Major Lamp Light
20 days ago

Much of what you say is valid. One of my favorite LIbertarian authors (Browne) would say: “There is no idea too good that it can’t be taken to a logical extreme.” Surely this would apply to the opposite polls of anarchic capitalism vs. state-controlled socialism/communism? And I agree with you on some points. For example, I never joined the Libertarian Party because even as a teen I saw the folly of unrestricted immigration. A monopoly or moving jobs overseas are worth a quick look too. We all know monopolies are “evil.” Or are they? A monopoly rarely is enforceable unless… Read more »

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tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”
that was always complete and total bullshit

threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  Falcone
18 days ago

That may be true in a small village. But we don’t live in a small village.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  WCiv...---...
20 days ago

But muh prosperity.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

But muh communitay!

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

Hey I’d rather be poor and free than a well-kept slave.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

We agree.

So, don’t give the IRS another dime.

Don’t pay any more property taxes.

And, only buy black market weed.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

When bankruptcy, revolution, or my ascension to the the throne happens. I know which one I’m rooting for.

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Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

I assume “black market” is a euphemism for looting.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

You would assume erroneously.

Major Lamp Light
Major Lamp Light
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

So, don’t give the IRS another dime.Don’t pay any more property taxes. Live selfishly, don’t contribute to your communities. I’m sure that will turn out well in the face of united opposition. >The Left: More immigration from communist countries. >Libertarians: “Okay, it benefits me personally in the short term. I made it in life and have zero sense of ethnic or community solidarity, so what’s it to me? Also, natural conservatives or whatever.” >Democrats win all elections. >Libertarians: “Hey, why are communists winning all the elections all of a sudden and why are they campaigning to raise my taxes to… Read more »

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Major Lamp Light
20 days ago

How does opposition to the confiscation of wealth by parasites constitute living selfishly and not contributing to one’s community?

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

It is not the tool, it is the purpose to which it is put. Unless your name is Rosenbaum or you’re some whackadoodle AnCap, you understand taxes are necessary to a functioning government. The uses to which the taxing power is used is our gripe, not the existence of taxation. Get off the lolbertarian plantation.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Educated.redneck
20 days ago

The power to tax is the power to destroy.
The tool need not be part of a high functioning society.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

Globalism and cheap wages are also parasitism. You have reciprocal obligation to your fellow nationals and this comes at a cost to you in taxes, in higher cost for some goods and in limits on your personal; behavior. In exchange you get stability, a good level of prosperity, public safety, a moral right to punish offenders (that is not a given such things must be earned) and a future where your people, presumably White can afford to have kids and are encouraged to do so. I know modernity is expensive I get that and there are a lot of people… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

No community gets you this dystopia we live in. Oh, sorry, gotta move that plant to Africa so the CEO can have another 10 mil bonus. Too bad your city is now in the rust belt, wages dropped by 75% and half the city is on meth, Oh I won’t make working at that job safe or pay a decent wage. Nah, I’ll bring in immigrants illegals are even better since they are cheaper and can’t complain. Your community now looks like Brazil or Lagos. Well not my problem I got mine. People who put economy entirely before the needs… Read more »

sentry
sentry
Reply to  WCiv...---...
20 days ago

In the beginning, the people ran the government. Then the government begins to run the people.
government ruled by the people!?
britain was ruled by an absolute monarch until parliament revolted and brought israelites back into the country.
150 years later
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I’m curious, at what point were THE PEOPLE in charge?

the blueprint is similar in many other western countries

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Dr. Dre
Dr. Dre
Reply to  sentry
20 days ago

The taller guy is saying, “Hey, kid, that’s a nice necktie you’re wearing. Looks a little like one that I have.”

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Dr. Dre
20 days ago

the taller guy is evelyn de rotschild

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Dr. Dre
20 days ago

Maybe he’s inviting him to a hot dog party.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

or a lemon party.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr
20 days ago

Had to look that one up. Wish I hadn’t!

Herbert Marcuse
Herbert Marcuse
Reply to  WCiv...---...
20 days ago

Zman: (((The Sackler family))) was perfectly willing to genocide the population for a quick buck.WCiv: (((Who))) runs the corporations, that run the government that run the people? The Marijuana legalization drive was funded almost entirely by (((Peter Lewis and George Soros))). (((Soros))) in particular also happens to fund the “schizophrenia.com” aggregator website, which openly acknowledges that Marijuana use causes the onset of Schizophrenia in at-risk neuro-psychiatric personality types: 33,900 results https://www.bing.com/search?q=marijuana+site%3aschizophrenia.com (((Soros))) knows damned well that increased Marijuana use will cause increased psychosis which will accelerate societal breakdown & disintegration, and that’s precisely why he and the sanhedrin of the… Read more »

Major Lamp Light
Major Lamp Light
Reply to  WCiv...---...
20 days ago

“Let’s ask Adam Smith.”

Why bother? As Pat Buchanan pointed out, Britain was the world’s unrivaled superpower back when they embraced tariffs and mercantilism. They only started declining once they foolishly allowed freer trade with lower-wage America. Seems familiar, almost like there is some other modern day equivalent I can think of …

Maybe we should consult the Chinese example instead of quoting a guy who lived and died before indoor toilets (lavatories) were popular. The 2020s will be the decade when nationalist, heavily regulated Corporate China destroys atomized, greedy Corporate America in international competition.

Falcone
Falcone
20 days ago

My feeling was always that a government that allows marijuana use is a government that doesn’t have your best interests at heart. government is supposed to be the square boring nerd that tells you what you can and can’t do. Life is always about the cat and mouse. Government is not supposed to be the drug pusher.

legalizing drugs is just one more facet in how government has become increasingly a criminal enterprise. And pretty much everything they used to arrest the mafia for the government is now involved in.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

While it sounds cynical, one definition of government is it is supposed to have the monopoly on use of force, typically to enforce contracts or other standards of behavior (laws, regulations, rules). Unless you are a total anarchist, any legitimate government must have at least some coercive powers: the power to tax (e.g. “protection money”), charge fees and regulate entry to professions (e.g. licensing, certifications), to punish (take property, freedom, sometimes life) for violations of its rules, etc. A good government, or local mob for that matter, not just be a taker, but also a giver: provide security, some form… Read more »

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jim regina
jim regina
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Personally don’t take any drugs (including alcohol)…. more damage is done by alcohol then all the other drugs combined…if that drug came upon the scene now, it would be banished immediately

Reply to  jim regina
20 days ago

But alcohol, in modest quantities, does no harm and may even do a bit of good. The same cannot be said for heroin and cocaine.

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

It’s genetic. Nearly all addicts have a certain copy of a certain kind of gene. That’s why one should avoid drugs; not because doing it a little bit would be a bad thing, but because one might not be able to resist doing more. That goes for booze, too.
I have this aforementioned gene. (Strangely, though, I never liked alcohol.) Clean off all drugs now, but do you know who introduced me to speed? Why, good old elementary school councilors and the school doctor, that’s who!

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tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

true but the same can be said of cannabis

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  tonaludatus
20 days ago

Perhaps, but the strength an potency of alcohol are known and can not be exceeded. The marijuana of today is waaay more potent than in flower child times and its current uses—like in candy and such—problematic. Also, as with alcohol, there is indication of potential mental impairment.

Sub
Sub
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

Absurd. All 3 of those substances have been used medicinally at one time or another.

Reply to  Sub
19 days ago

Leeches were also used medicinally. :rolleyes:

GK Chestnut
GK Chestnut
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

from what I’ve read, alcohol is far more damaging than all other drugs. BUT like you said, in small amounts its not that harmful.
But look at the ad money sunk into selling alcohol. Apparently, “wine coolers” were deliberately aimed at teens.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  GK Chestnut
20 days ago

Alcohol is indeed the most destructive drug. While it does plenty of damage at the individual level (I have first-hand experience), I think alcohol being “worst” means in overall damage to society as a whole. In other words, at the individual level, there are far worse drug habits than alcohol (meth, herion, crack, maybe coke.) but, to my knowledge, these are drugs that you either leave alone, or you become a slave to them, often unto death. There rarely, if ever, is the option for a middle setting. I’ve never heard of a “recreational” or “moderate” crack or meth head… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Part of the problem is that we live in clownworld where everything has been turned into a racket. We now have cops robbing people on the side of the road all under the guise of the war on drugs. Cops literally take your money, hand you a receipt and send you on your way. There are PDs that spend the majority of their time riding up and down the interstate looking for out of state plates to pull over. It is so offensive and so anti-American that most people don’t even believe you when you tell them this happens in… Read more »

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Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
20 days ago

A people who support a war on drugs are anti- civilization, dirty, degenerate hicks who deserve extinction.

Herbert Marcuse
Herbert Marcuse
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

A people who support a war on drugs are anti- civilization, dirty, degenerate hicks who deserve extinction.

/SARCASM – ?

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Herbert Marcuse
20 days ago

The WOD: Cui bono?

Herbert Marcuse
Herbert Marcuse
Reply to  Liberty Mike
19 days ago

The WOD: Cui bono?

As above, the (((reptiles in human skin suits))) who profiteer from societal breakdown & disintegration.

There are infinite shekels to be made in the DESTRUCTION of a society.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

God—what a “troll”….

Spin geraht
Spin geraht
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

weed & lotteries now.
Hard drugs and prostitution soon enough.
Idiocracy is the goal, almost there.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Marijuana was legalized in AZ through public initiative this year. That makes it the equivalent of a constitutional amendment in AZ. There is a current attempt to have the courts invalidate, but the fact remains—the people voted for it. So the people asked for what they deserve I guess. But the “government” had little to do with it.

Epaminondas
Member
20 days ago

If we were to examine this drug legalization trend (formal and de facto), we would see a startling contrast on a county-by-county basis. The map shown above would more closely resemble those red and blue election maps showing how counties voted. And in turn, this would also reveal where the Historic American Nation still lives and exerts its influence. As the drug culture seeps into these red counties, as it already has been slowly doing, you are going to see some startling results. Demographic transformation is also trending with drug use. This is no way to run a serious nation.… Read more »

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Reply to  Epaminondas
20 days ago

i’m not sure whether it’s hatred or apathy. Profits, man. They need us. They need us to buy their stuff, perform their menial labor. You can’t have a aristocracy without peasants.

ABCer
ABCer
Reply to  WCiv...---...
20 days ago

No, a clear decision has been made they do not want us. They cannot afford us and our threat to their power no matter how latent. White people have strange ideas about Liberty and Dignity they cannot afford, latent and armed if atomized and presently cowardly force. This would be an intolerable risk if they needed us. They don’t. They need money, not customers. Money comes from the Central Bank, from Finance, from Woke Capital- which is really Woke Finance. MMT is our actual death warrant. They need only money- MMT- Brown domestic servants and guards, and some Asian coders.… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  ABCer
20 days ago

They want power and immortality. Money, sex, whatever, are just the trappings of power. They think they don’t need us anymore because of tech. They also think tech is the vessel of immortality. They are insane and satanic.

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ABCer
ABCer
Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

Yes but they’ll still kill us, because we are weak.
By choice.
The War of No Choice is not chosen, so we will perish.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  ABCer
19 days ago

Go kill yourself, get it over with, fudgepacker.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Epaminondas
20 days ago

That historic American nation was hooked on drugs before the more recent waves of mass immigration. in fact, everyone being drunk and high is mostly what prodded employers to look for immigrant labor, from what I remember. I know it was that way in the 1980s in Los Angeles where there are pot stores on every corner, I’m not seeing anything too crazy. In fact, seems to be going in opposite direction where there is social pressure not to get high in public. Strange how it works but people seem to have this sense that getting high in public is… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

But that is my point. Blue counties are that way for a reason, just as Zman pointed out. Liberal governments in those counties were/are a reflection of those people, drugs or not. Back when we enjoyed rights of association, we didn’t care what idiots did in their own neighborhood. Then “their” neighborhood expanded to become the entire county, and its government simply absorbed the new culture and went on with its vision of tolerance. Over time, places like Portland have become toxic. So far, red counties want no part of this. How much longer they/we can hold off the tide… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Epaminondas
20 days ago

I think I get your point but back in the day, as you know, there was no red America vs blue America. It was one big blob with regional differences. But it was still a blob. I could travel the country and no matter where I went, people were pretty much the same. If you had basic manners, you’d go anywhere and be accepted.

I don’t know what happened, but at some point politics took over. And I have always seen a correlation between that and a certain (((people))) gaining in influence, but not to beat a dead horse

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ruralcounsel
ruralcounsel
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Your experience was one frame of a two hour movie. Back in the early 1770’s, the nation was split between revolutionaries and Tories. The Tories lost the battle of “burn out your neighbor” and fled to Canada or back to England. And of course, we had our little neighborhood spat between 1860-1865, which actually extended for decades or more both before and after. Some would say it is continuing today, and based on what I see, I’m in that cohort. And there was terrible labor unrest in the late 1800’s through around 1920. The Wobblies out west, the West Virginia… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  ruralcounsel
20 days ago

Drug use in New York City tracks right along with this chart…but in the opposite direction.
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GK Chestnut
GK Chestnut
Reply to  Epaminondas
19 days ago

ahh! My eyes! My eyes!

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  ruralcounsel
20 days ago

Sure, but for 100- 200 years you could be born in Maine and move to California and find that everyone was pretty much the same. I am not a historian and do not see life through the prism of battles or family feuds. Just a guy who looks at life from the standpoint of a person living it, and who has travelled a lot, and I know people much older and younger than me who moved to my area from different parts of the country and we all are all pretty much the same on the things that matter most,… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Epaminondas
20 days ago

South Dakota voted for legalization of pot in this election 54-46%. Over half of the counties voted for legalization even though Biden only won one non Indian reservation county in the state. People really don’t understand this issue and what they are inviting into their communities when they do this.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Barnard
20 days ago

It sucks, but it seems some lessons must be relearned every generation or so.

Tim from Nashua
Tim from Nashua
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
20 days ago

. . . and the Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return.

Reziac
Reziac
Reply to  Barnard
20 days ago

Montana supposedly did too, by a similar margin.
Funny how the FOR margin was mostly in the techie-and-hippie counties where there’s already circumstantial evidence of Democrats committing bulk voter fraud (counts that don’t show up til the whole rest of the state is counted, then with just enough tilt ensure the margin of victory… I’m lookin’ at you, Jon Tester).

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Epaminondas
20 days ago

The example of my beloved Lancaster County:

It started with tourism. Then retirement homes for tourists who wanted to die someplace nice. Then trendy BS to make Lancaster liveable for urbanites and commuters. Then locust developers started buying up the farms, and many locals encouraged it because, hey, it’s easy prosperity and we’re on the map! Then it’s ‘affordable housing’ in your town and obnoxious shitlibs crowing about their divine mission to civilize the racist hicks.

Control the real estate. Never let it get in the hands of anyone who isn’t rooted there.

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Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

Does the private promotion of tourism inevitably lead to affordable housing and anti-racism?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

Yes after 70 years or so it seems. When you build an economy that depends on people bringing their money to you it’s more efficient to simply bring them and let them consume in situ.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

Somehow, don’t you think we can have a world in which people are proud of their area and promote that for tourism purposes while simultaneously prohibiting affordable housing and anti-racist rubbish?

Its an America, to some degree, that once existed. At least my elders told me that.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

I hear you but I’m confident that’s how it started here. Florida is an entire state where that process played out.

There are always people willing to sell out.

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Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

It depends upon the place in question. Cape May, NJ has been a resort community for well over 100 years and its population has remained steady. Indeed, from the 90s to the present, the population has been declining. I guess that’s the main reason it’s still such a nice place.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

That’s interesting. Haven’t been there since I was a kid. Do they have strict zoning regs? Or maybe it’s the location.

I know our problem is location. 4 hours or less to any spot from NYC to DC. Great for tourism, not so much otherwise. Actually all of south central PA is getting hit. Frankly if it weren’t for the plain sects, a good zoning master plan, and farmland preservation we’d have been screwed long ago.

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B125
B125
Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

We’re seeing this in Canada too. Shitlibs are fleeing Toronto and moving to smaller, whiter towns, cities and suburbs.

“Gun violence”, “bad schools”, “unaffordable rents”, are all caused by their own anti-white diversity agenda at the end of the day. But they keep spreading it.

If philly wasn’t a dangerous shithole they would leave other areas alone.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  B125
20 days ago

It’s like societal cancer.

Reply to  Paintersforms
19 days ago

I imagine the zoning regs are pretty strict, but, of course, if the will was there, they could loosen them. Note also that Cape May is a very short jaunt from Philthadelphia, while NY, Bawlmer and DC are also not too far away.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

I’ve visited (c. 1980). Was a pretty area. A region that has both Blue Balls and Intercourse can’t be all bad. Problem and remedy! 😀

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

Don’t forget Bird-in-hand!

Sub
Sub
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

You are right that it began long before marijuana legalization. The drug legalization movement started back in 1933 and what is happening now is just the logical progression from that bit of legislation.
The Anheusers and the Coors have destroyed a hell of a lot more lives than the Sacklers and street pushers could ever dream of, yet for some reason they get a pass.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Sub
20 days ago

totally agree, and why I actually see some wisdom in the Prohibition laws

In fact, I wouldn’t mind moving to a dry county because I need that extra roadblock to over-drinking because I often lack the willpower on my own. I don’t drink a ton, but sometimes I wish it were next to impossible to get a drink because I know I’d be better off for it. In fact the Covid lockdowns of bars and so forth have been a great thing for my personal health and fitness. A man has to know his limitations.

Sub
Sub
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

The correlation suggested about blue and red counties applies equally well to dry and non-dry counties. It turns out that if you make alcohol harder to get, you get a lot less alcohol related social damage. Drug warriors never seem to include this incredibly dangerous drug in their views though.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Sub
20 days ago

Probably varies by State just as alcohol laws do, but I’ve seen in articles that complain that in CA most counties don’t license legal marijuana sales. So even in fruitcake state, there is widespread — most rural and Red, no doubt — opposition to marilized legalwana.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

In CA, I’ve heard that the problem is that legal pot is taxed so heavily that illegal pot is still worth the risk.
“Why aren’t the addicts willing to pay a 15% excise rate, 80% markup rate, $3 per leaf cultivation tax and 10.25% sales tax on our cannabis? Are they addicted to it or not?”

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

You may be on the right path. For some of us there is AA or other programs.What you’ve described in AA is jokingly called the “Geographical cure.” The drunk still wants a drink. He may be far away from booze now, but he’s liable to drink later unless… The ideal outcome is a former-drunk who has lost the urge to imbibe, who can safely live down the block from a bar or liquor store and think nothing of it.

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GK Chestnut
GK Chestnut
Reply to  Falcone
19 days ago

how about no alcohol advertising? And “drink responsibly?” Uh, our product is a deadly, addictive poison, but its YOUR responsibility to drink in a way that it doesn’t hurt you?

THats disgusting

Spin geraht
Spin geraht
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

My state legalized weed several years ago. Now everywhere you smell skunk, if you look around 99% of the time its blax getting high in public, driving etc. Everything that was promised not to happen. Funny story. A couple years ago I was in a local sporting goods store looking at ammunition, (none to be had now) black dude reaking of weed and wine comes up looks for a minute, says to me Shiiiiiit man day ain’t got no bullets fo my gun man. I ask him what gun he has dude reaches down into his shorts and whips out… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  Epaminondas
20 days ago

Does it? From what I can tell, white people from all regions and socio-economic statues use far more drugs than non whites (with maybe the exception of blacks). Most of the opioid crisis regions are Trump country.

I think it’s part spiritual problem, part curiosity. Rich white kids “experiment” and often end up ok, poor white kids get hooked, it’s all the same in the end.

I’ve never had a taste for drugs or psychedelic experiences myself. But many many white acquaintances cannot enjoy themselves if they’re not f*cked up.

Xman
Xman
20 days ago

What to you think all those heavily-armed cops in MRAPs are going to do when drugs are legalized? Answer: the War on Drugs is going to become the War on Guns. There is a very high positive correlation between states and jurisdictions legalizing dope on the one hand, and cracking down on gun ownership with the other. Just as cops would bust you for paraphernalia or rolling papers or residue even if you didn’t actually have any weed, they’re going to start busting you for having a 15-round magazine or “unregistered ammunition” or the like. It’s already happening — in… Read more »

whitney
Member
Reply to  Xman
20 days ago

I know two people recently who got text messages saying ” it’s your last day to apply for your carry permit. Click on this link to fill out your information.” Both of them were smart enough to just delete the whole thing but that was an obvious fishing expedition to find out who had guns

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  whitney
20 days ago

Pretty sure “they” already know who has the guns. Didn’t Facebook get caught data basing gun-“selfies” a few years ago? Right up to recording serial numbers combined with facial recognition matching.

Dozens of ways for Big Brother to find the firearms. Range cameras, online ammo purchases, accessory reviews, that sort of thing.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  ProZNoV
20 days ago

Back in 1970s in California (?) there was some anti-gun initiative being promoted. 2A proponents wanted to get a mailing list to agitate against it. How to compile a list of likely donors? Somebody hit upon the idea of a database of pickup owners. At the time, the motor vehicle records were public, but could only be inspected in person. So they hired a bunch of old ladies to hand copy the records, they got their database, and were successful.

Reply to  Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

What a shameful example of stereotyping! Dear, oh dear, oh dear…

Pete
Pete
Reply to  ProZNoV
20 days ago

Finding the guns doesn’t really matter since no one has the balls to use ’em anyway.

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  ProZNoV
20 days ago

I know there are no second acts in American life, but stuff like this is why I favor starting over.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Xman
20 days ago

Expect them to use the tax hammer, especially on ammo and all its constituent elements.

Things like cartridge brass and primers will get slapped with 1000% tax increases they sneak through as riders on some bill, “for the children.”

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
20 days ago

soon we will be seeing “Eric Garner” selling Albanian made illegally imported single bullets from open boxes tax free on the corner of 43rd street.

Spin geraht
Spin geraht
Reply to  tonaludatus
20 days ago

That means MAN PADS RPGs, claymores. Full auto. Anything goes.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
20 days ago

A black market would pop up faster than you’d believe. I’d bet there already is one with the ridiculous ammo shortage right now.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Xman
20 days ago

The correlation between broader drug rights and narrower gun rights has a real-world tether. American gun owners, by and large, are disciplined and responsible with their weapons. Drug users, by and large, are less stable, less responsible, and tend to “go off” more frequently. We are all better off not seeing gun ownership crossed with illegal drug use. Red states emphasize one side of the gun-drug ledger at the expense of the other, and blue states flip the equation.

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  Xman
20 days ago

This is a very interesting correlation “…jurisdictions legalizing dope on the one hand, and cracking down on gun ownership,,, ” Actually I believe you are right in that “The Government wants you BOTH stoned AND disarmed” but is it really true?

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  tonaludatus
19 days ago

Yes. Thatcher did it to the working class in England after she gutted the country’s industrial sector and turned millions of blue collar brits into wards of the state.
They got subsidized housing, all the booze and pot they could handle and their kids turned into complete degenerates.
What the promoters of drugs on this blog want is the same thing.
There is no upside for mass drug use in a society.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Rwc1963
19 days ago

Plus gun control. The rifle confiscation of 1986 was accomplished under the “conservative” Thatcher, and the handgun confiscation of 1997 under the “conservative” John Major.

Just wait for the Romney wing of the Re-pube-lickins to ally with the Harris administration to enact national gun control.

Bet money on it.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Xman
19 days ago

Cops like pushing and shoving the weak. The armed angry and irate are a different animal.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
20 days ago

I noticed in the small town where I grew up that the car dealership and machine shop are closing January 1st but a brand new Marijuana producing factory is opening up.
May the libertarians and the Sackler family get their just rewards in the coming years.

whitney
Member
Reply to  thezman
20 days ago

Or any corporate job. We’re running out of places you can hide

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  whitney
20 days ago

This is what I thought. Some corporations want to destroy your life slower than others, but still.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Jack Dobson
19 days ago

You do realize without business you’d be using leaves to wipe your ass after taking a dump and using mud as a wound dressing.Food will be what you could grow. Forget about hunting. There isn’t enough game to sustain anything near our current population.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  whitney
19 days ago

Most corporate gigs don’t destroy your way of life the way drugs can and do. Unless it’s Amazon or Walmart.
Most small businesses or corps are beneficial to a community.

Reply to  thezman
20 days ago

I already have. I work at a university.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  thezman
20 days ago

Someone with a two-dimensional cartoon landscaped mind would call this an opportunity.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
20 days ago

It truly is despicable that the Sacklers (as well as many others who profited) may never be held accountable for the fact that 10% of babies born in towns throughout Appalachia are addicted to opioids. These communities were targeted by Purdue.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Melissa
19 days ago

Also by the Feds who allowed this to happen. The current Fentanyl epidemic is directly caused by China who sell all the chemical precurors to Mexican cartels who then turn it into opioids.
BTW you can even order the precursors yourself as well as bulk chemicals for almost every other illicit drug out there from designer Steroids to Pink.
I wish white Americans had enough guts and brains to make the Sacklers and others pay for what they did to the country.
The fact whites have become a obscene joke is why the country is dying.

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
20 days ago

One thing I’ve noticed is that these legalization movements are always presented as a libertarianish “live and let live” proposition. That is almost never what happens. My Body, My Choice always seems to morph into My Body, My Choice and Your Wallet as soon as the ink is dry on the legislation. And don’t forget to bake that cake, comrade! The problem isn’t the legalization, it’s what’s going to come through the door with it. Expect drugs to be promoted from a personal choice to a Human Right, which will of course will need to be supported with taxpayer subsidies,… Read more »

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
20 days ago

A government that profits from me poisoning my body is not something I think is worth keeping. When I say “I” I mean it rhetorically.

I don’t see how the system can last when the government has an adversarial relationship with the people. It’s just a time bomb waiting to explode.

Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

It’s not just the government; it’s the entire Power Structure.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

it’s become that way

Crazy

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Falcone
19 days ago

Whites are not going to explodeover anything.
After the LBO’s and NAFTA I expected to see whites go postal on the corporate execs and investment bankers but it didn’t happen
When the Sackler family was exposed comitting genocide against blue collar whites again I expected whites to bring some fire. It didn’t happen.
They won’t fight for anything anymore.

ruralcounsel
ruralcounsel
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
20 days ago

I understand that most legalization states are very disappointed in the tax revenues they thought (and anticipated) would occur. The black market adjusts price and quality, and is able to undercut the “legal” price which has to carry the burden of all the taxes and fees that were supposed to be such a windfall to state governments.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  ruralcounsel
20 days ago

Of course. Legalizations also gives the black market additional breathing room they will certainly take advantage of.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  ruralcounsel
20 days ago

Somehow people also seem to think that drug “taxes” are the final tax to fix everything. That incremental government revenue generated from weed would be spent better than say that from gasoline, cigarettes, gambling, 8.75% general sales, telecom, energy, toll roads, hotel stays, and sept. 11th security surcharges. Que shock when roads still have potholes, school districts with 54 different languages spoken are still full of illiterates, infrastructure is crumbling and must be pub-private bond funded to get fixed, and that $3T L3 pork scanner you just walked thru still requires a team of nigerian retards to grope and wand… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  ruralcounsel
20 days ago

Of course states are disappointed with their tax revenue. Just about every bill I’ve seen legalizing pot is the same—and from the same source. They all allow private growing of pot. Who the hell will pay $200 dollars plus the state tax for an oz of crap they can grow in their back yard for a buck? And of course, the Black Market will crawl in and sell you your stuff for less than the State stores. Cartels now are stopping smuggling across the border for illegal growing within States, or smuggling between States.

roberto
roberto
Reply to  CompscI
19 days ago

Unless you enjoy growing weed, why bother ? I havent smoked weed for decades, but if I wanted to, i’d go down the street to the pot shop and choose from the several hundred different varieties they stock. I could buy a gram of excellent weed for 10 – 25 bucks. and thats more than I could smoke in an evening. No more expensive than one or two six packs. Growing your own will take 8 or 10 weeks minimum and thats if you buy clones, plus the hundreds of dollars (thousands if you want to get serious) of equipment… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
20 days ago

“My body, my choice,” only applies to birthing people carrying clumps of cells and trannies.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
20 days ago

You cite perfectly the point I made in my above harrangue 🙂 What’s missing is the freedom of association. Live and let live yes, but we should have the right to live far away from those who don’t live as we want to live and to screen anyone who would enter our sphere. And also we shouldn’t be obligated to provide any support to others.

Reply to  Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

But that contradicts the new dispensation: Diversity, Inclusion, Equity. DIE, for short.

Vizzini
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
20 days ago

Addiction treatment and support plus the associated social services to deal with the family destruction is already a multi-hundred-billion business almost exclusively controlled by the left, heavily funded with government grants. You don’t think they want all those drug counselors and social workers to be out of jobs, do you?

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Vizzini
20 days ago

And sadly, addiction treatment has a poor success, or call it recidivism ? rate. Even in AA, perhpas one of the more successful (and, may I note, non-money-grubbing!) options out there, we only claim about a 5% success rate.

Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
20 days ago

I imagine another side effect of legalization is AWR entrenchment. AWRs view legalized drugs as a sign of regnant Leftism and the locale that has done it as a place where they would want to live. Legalization is a lure for AWRs. Thus, any place that legalizes drugs will be fast-tracked to Portland status.

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
20 days ago

My Body, My Choice and Your Wallet” how true. Yesterday the House of Representatives of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts overrode the Governor’s veto and legalized infanticide until the end of full 9 months, and of course all to be paid by taxes for the indigent and who is not counted as such when the need arrives?

Gunner Q
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
20 days ago

Hey, whatever happened to “my body, my choice” now that Bill Gates was to jab us with DNA-mutating chemicals?

Severian
20 days ago

“Decriminalization” is one of the dumbest ideas I’ve heard. A very large part of “crime” is, quite simply, habit. One becomes accustomed to breaking laws. “Decriminalization” allows that habit to form. I favor drug legalization simply because we probably lack the resources, and definitely lack the will, to enforce the laws consistently, and thus reinforce bad habits. Having a law you won’t enforce is the worst possible situation.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Severian
20 days ago

You don’t think that a government that allows people to f-ck themselves up is a government that is going to be able to last and maintain respect ?

Government has an obligation, even if it is something of a pose, to be the bad guy in matters like this. Ideally, the government is supposed to know what’s best for the people. Or maybe that’s just in theory, but it used to work well enough in this country. Now what we have is no one trusts or respects anyone else. No bueno.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

If you buy the grift that government knows what is best for the people, you have been scammed.

ruralcounsel
ruralcounsel
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

Seriously. The government really does not care about you any more than they are forced to, and they are continuously working on ways they aren’t forced.
And assuming they know what is “best” for you is a whole other canard.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

People who think corporations or the government, “care, ” for them have IQ 0.

Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
20 days ago

If you’re white, not only do they not care for you, they actively loathe you.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

So then what’s its purpose? When the society and government are on the same page, the government is really just an extension of your family writ large. And family cares about its members. That’s how it used to work when I was growing up. And that is the kind of government I am referring to, one that grows naturally and organically from the people. Not this crape have today. I say let it burn. It’s not “my” government, not my people.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Who are the type of people attracted to government?
Who wants to be in law enforcement?
Who wants to be assistant commissioner of public health?
Who wants to be deputy chief of diversity and inclusion?
Who wants to be a county covid compliance officer?

Not the best and the brightest.

AND NO FRIEND OF THE WHITE MAN.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

Sure, but I am being more reflective of a time when things actually worked

I have seen government both good and bad. Perhaps it goes in cycles. But today’s government is something I want nothing to do with.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

If it is Sheriff Andy Taylor, then I am with you.

GK Chestnut
GK Chestnut
Reply to  Falcone
19 days ago

you are right. People organize, the\y rely on tradition, for what type of society is best for their community. There has always been government, and it is wholly for the citizens good. There is no other point

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Liberty Mike
20 days ago

Whether they care or not is really not the issue. The issue is whether they are able and willing to enforce prohibition wrt pot use, and whether this is a good in society.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

So you’re in favor of bringing back alcohol prohibition then?

Vizzini
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Ideally, the government is supposed to know what’s best for the people. 

Where did you get an idea like that?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Vizzini
20 days ago

I discussed what I meant above. My fault, as it were, may have been that I grew up in a town where the government was comprised of people I knew, and I respected them and their authority, as did everyone else except perhaps for blacks and criminals. Can’t win them all.

Severian
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

I’d criminalize not substances, but behavior. Driving under the influence of *anything* gets you jail time. Public intox – on *anything* – ditto. It seems counterproductive to ban substances, when the behavior is the issue.

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  Severian
20 days ago

 Having a law you won’t enforce is the worst possible situation. I can’t think of a good way to enforce sodomy laws either. But what I do know is that as long as they were in effect, gay marriage and trannies in the lady’s room were off of the table. Along with the accompanying civil rights lawsuits. Here’s the problem. Once you’ve legalized something, you’ve legitimized it. And once you’ve legitimized it, it’s a small step to framing it as a behavior people have a “right” to indulge in. And once we’ve established the “right”, the government has an obligation… Read more »

Severian
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
20 days ago

That’s why I favor criminalizing behavior, not substances. I don’t care what caused you to drive impaired; I care that you’re driving impaired. Similarly, I don’t care what specific acts you commit behind closed doors; I don’t want anyone having sex of any kind in public. For marriage specifically, I’d rather reserve the word for a religious union, but I don’t care if two homos want to play house together, designate each other as their insurance beneficiary, etc. That can easily be done with private contracts, and it’s none of my business.

Reply to  Severian
20 days ago

By the by, I dare say a sail foam is deadlier in an automobile than a crack pipe.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Severian
20 days ago

Even allowing insurance benefits and the like is whistling past the graveyard. It’s tacit approval of an immoral behavior.

ABCer
ABCer
20 days ago

Agree.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
20 days ago

It is a form of post-national colonialism, where global corporations extract resources from communities with the support of local politicians.  Exactly, brilliant insight and beautifully described. The Libertarians’ greatest argument for legalization was that criminalization led to grotesque civil rights violations and an intrusive nanny state. True, true and true. The reality, as you point out, is that state oppression has intensified against normal people. With the focus off crime-prone addicts, the State now can turn its full fury and power against the kulaks. Covid fascism is a taste of things to to come. As always, they will be doing… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jack Dobson
20 days ago

“We’re doing it for the people’s health,” the federal police will say right before they put a bullet in your head for not wearing a mask during a sunny 85F day on the beach.

A-Bax
20 days ago

Legal weed by state looks to be somewhat negatively correlated with how much personal liberty that state allows. Seems strange on the surface, but the super-blue, devout Branch-Covidian states have largely legalized weed. (CA, MA, OR, WA, now NJ, etc.) Whereas the less-pozzed, less in-thrall-of-Covid states still want to be able to arrest dirty hippies for being dirty hippies. It’s of a piece with the self-conception of leftists as being super-tolerant, when in reality they’re super-tyrannical. I wonder too if its a way to numb and enstupidate (a perfectly cromulent word!) the population so as to make them more accepting… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  A-Bax
20 days ago

Don’t forget MI.

Dope stores are essential businesses, open from 9A-9P on Christmas Eve.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
20 days ago

I was just stunned. Canada legalized dope and outwardly, around here, not much has changed. In my former workplace, back before it was legal, out of 12 employees only me and two others didn’t smoke. One day we had problems with a lady in our cal lab who came to work high as a kite. She was promptly fired – and then she sued us because it was ‘medical marijuana’. We had to hire her back and document her mistakes and problems out the wazzoo before we were able to get rid of her. It was the damnedest thing I… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Glenfilthie
20 days ago

I think it’s more that degenerates take drugs

I know lots of people who would blame their asshole-ness on “I was addicted, I wasn’t myself”

Then they became sober and were still assholes. And I realized it was always the other way around with these people

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Yep. Drugs are the sacrament of assholes.

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Back when I was using, I seemed to be the exception to this. I was just easily bored despite having plenty of hobbies. Maybe it’s because I was drugged by doctors as a young boy.
Sometimes, I feel like there’s a missing section of my soul that I will never recapture.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Lanky
20 days ago

I hear ya. I was thinking more along the lines of people who use drugs as an excuse for being assholes

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Yeah, well aside from a beer now and again, I’m not a user and people still think I’m and asshole. 😉

CAPT S
CAPT S
20 days ago

The drug issue (like many others) is a symptom of our nation’s spiritual cancer. Having spent a career at the pointy-end of the “drug war” I can’t emphasize enough that federal efforts are worse than ineffective. I’m no libertarian but I’m also wise enough to recognize we can’t legislate or imprison our way out of the drug problem. What we really need is a benevolent monarch to make pushing/distribution a capital crime … then hang all the lobbyists. Democracy is for chumps and dope smokers. But fixing spiritual symptoms is like squeezing a balloon … the cancer is going to… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  CAPT S
20 days ago

My brother in law had a serious drug problem. The courts and cops merely fed off of him and people like him. He was noting but a cash crop.

It’s just a sad state of affairs. But this insatiable hunger for money at whatever the cost has destroyed any semblance of a normal society.

Only thing that saved my bother in law was his family. Same as it ever was.

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

He was noting but a cash crop.

Same thing in healthcare, which is more correctly called, “sickcare.”

We’re all just profit centers for Big Medicine and Insurance.

Rich
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
20 days ago

Especially if you can be tagged with COVID.

Durendal
Durendal
20 days ago

Setting aside all of the horrible optics and brain washing propoganda against it a Third Position sounds somewhat attractive. That being said I’m not overly familiar with the politics but it is seemingly a good counter to the pitfalls of unfettered liberal democracy and market capitalism and communism.

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Durendal
20 days ago

I’d be for whatever works with the caveat that it’s only white people I have to deal with

I don’t see how a country full of blacks can ever work for white people. I’m like Dr Strange with his head whizzing around contemplating all the millions of possible outcomes, and t the end of it I can only see one solution

Durendal
Durendal
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

Agreed sir.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Falcone
20 days ago

It can’t.

I’ve been to South Africa.

The loneliest I’ve ever felt in my life was in the stands at a soccer match in Cape Town.

Hun
Hun
20 days ago

Portugal decriminalized hard drugs a long time ago and I don’t think they became much worse. Only third world immigration has had a negative impact. Czech Republic has de-facto legalized marijuana and it’s a safer and more orderly country than most, if not all of the US. Poland decriminalized marijuana and it’s considered “based”…

The real problem is cultural. In the US, money is god. All problems stem from this attitude.

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Hun
20 days ago

My take on subtle but major differences between Europe and here. They treat you like an adult over there. Here they treat you like a child who needs his hand held. Then in taking that paternalistic attitude, they pull a fast one over here. While pretending to be your dad, they move in for the kill and profit over you poisoning yourself. Bottom line, and it can never be said enough, the real difference is that in America we are run by a foreign tribe who has no regard for our welfare and sees us only as a crop to… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Hun
20 days ago

Removing the taboo factor and focusing on education and rehab really seems to have worked for Portugal.

However, they are tiny with a somewhat homogeneous population of 10 million. I don’t think their experience extrapolates to the US.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
20 days ago

Precisely, but that is the point. US culture values money and business above everything and the country is flooded with aliens. That is the root of its problems and not marijuana legalization, which is really just a distraction.
(In case anybody’s wondering – I don’t smoke, nor do I consume any drugs)

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Hun
20 days ago

“The love of money is the root of all evil.” Probably not all, but certaily a large portion of them.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

10 stars—if I could—for the correct quote.

Spin geraht
Spin geraht
Reply to  Hun
20 days ago

Those countries do not have any significant population of blax.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Spin geraht
20 days ago

The US is 13% Black many of which are in custody at any given time.
If you igniore the folk who are decent and work for a living , probably a quarter at the minimum and the ones in prison , the actual jogger population is probably 8% nationally at least twice this in the South.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  abprosper
20 days ago

Yeah, but at 50 to 1 murder and violent assault ratios, 8% is horrendous.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  abprosper
19 days ago

You are far too optimistic. 25% of noggers decent and working for a living? Try 5-10, at best. They’re constantly finding, via modern DNA tests, ‘respectable’ nogger grandfathers who raped and murdered decades ago and got away with it until now. I’ve said for years the only noggers without a criminal record are those who’ve yet to be caught, and I stand by that statement still.

Barnard
Barnard
20 days ago

Former Senate Majority leader Tom Daschle has also been lobbying to legalize pot. I assume the primary methods to go after those who sell pot outside the government system will be tax evasion charges. In most states where it has been legalized, it has been by popular vote. People are contributing to the anarcho-tyranny of their own states.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/irisdorbian/2019/05/24/ex-senate-majority-leader-daschle-joins-cannabis-firm-northern-swans-advisory-board/?sh=5633af2333ab

American Citizen 2.0
American Citizen 2.0
20 days ago

I think your analysis overlooks the cause-effect relationship of the fact that a lot of states that are being run by Woke people are explicitly trying to undermine “White Male Normative Culture”, which means they see your desire for orderly, clean streets and rational principles as being merely an expression of your racism. Legalizing/decriminalization is an effect of that ideology. Similarly with legalizing/decriminalizing shoplifting and vagrancy and homeless encampments. The fanatical Woke Elite are pushing for a new set of norms. Whatever ends up offending your sensibility will be the new norm because they want to define everything to be… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
20 days ago

The opioid crisis was just the first wave of what is about to come in the normalization of drug taking. The opioid crisis was the trailing edge of the normalization of pharmaceutical drug taking – which is a much worse social crisis than recreational drug use. America survived the pot and heroin surges of the 60s – 70s, the cocaine surge of the 70s-80s and the meth mania of the 80s-90s. Im not sure we’re going to survive the Ritalin surge of the last twenty five years – that has upward of half the adolescent population on one or another… Read more »

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
20 days ago

Don’t forget all the drug cocktail in the water supply that has effects no one is talking about.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
20 days ago

One only has to look at the strong correlation between anti-psychotics and political disposition to see the truth of this.

Drew
Drew
20 days ago

“The libertarian case rests on a number of assumptions about the human condition and human organization. One is that people are rational and act in their best interests or what they believe to be their best interests. The other is that you are responsible only for you and you have no duty to your neighbors or community.” In fairness to them, the opposite extreme is way worse. There is no tyranny worse than that which is exercised for the benefit of the tyrannized. Moreover, the lie of democracy is that you are responsible for your neighbor’s actions, which is why… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

You raise some valid points but ignore many others. First is the overall issue of Prohibition. Even a cursory examination of the history of America’s alcohol prohibition of just a hundred years ago will reveal it was a monstrous failure, with knock-on effects of government regulation and organized crime that continue long after Prohibition was repealed (c. 1930). The opioid “epidemic” is little different from the dangers of hard drugs going back forever. You completely ignore the legitimate medical uses of drugs, hard or soft. Do we ignore valid medical needs just because there’s a risk of addiciton? If drugs… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

That’s a very high price to pay to punish someone who was selling a product to someone who wanted it.

Where these libertarian arguments inevitably fall apart is in thinking that the criminal selling poison to kids is going to suddenly go into a legitimate line of work if the stuff that he sells is legalized.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
20 days ago

I will go to jail if I sell alcohol to high school students at school. Alcohol is strictly regulated, taxed and its users subject many legal restrictions. Why would it be any different for legalized drugs? Your last point is valid. I’ve read that CA still has a booming pot black market, I’d guess to avoid the taxes and regs. I forgot to put into my earlier rant: Would you trade ALL drug (and alcohol) prohibition laws (but let’s allow limitations on where, when, and to whom sold) in exchange for a return to the level of freedom that the… Read more »

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CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
20 days ago

That’s my biggest fear, prevention of true therapeutic use due to the “drug war”. Having some recent issues involving doctors and hospitals, I’m nervous. 30 years without seeing a doctor, then needing one, I had to sign forms agreeing to such prohibition. For example, my current physician will not treat “chronic pain”. Surgery papers stated blankly—no pain medications given for longer than ten days—and to be prescribed and taken within the confines of the treatment facilities. Ad’s run on the radio simulating a doctor patient conversation where the patient asked for a refill of a pain medication after an operation… Read more »

Jeff Spicoli
Jeff Spicoli
20 days ago

Comrade kommissar weepy Boehner and Obama’s beard Pauly Ryan are in on the big cash in?
I quit. It’s trendy and uncool now.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
20 days ago

For Michiganders, looking at the billboards from Detroit to Grand Rapids is reading into a dystopian hellscape, incessant advertisements for pots (probably 1-in-3 billboards). Then you see billboards warning parents of their kids vaping, something far less dangerous than pot. Then you see the mask up signs, followed by a billboard of dark masked people in a black background thanking Whitmer for ‘keeping us safe’ and advertisements to sex shops to top it off.
Good luck protecting your six year old kid who just learned to read.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Chet Rollins
20 days ago

Sounds like Oregon. There’s a big yellow billboard on one of the main roads out to the Coast that suggests your entire family will die if you don’t mask up. It enrages me every time I drive by. I shouldn’t let it since that, or shaming for the gullible, is the point.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
20 days ago

This is a hell of an essay. You really had your dander up this morning, and put some real heat into it. But then, beating up the useless libertarians always does that for you. Going to email it to a bunch of people.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Major Hoople
20 days ago

Meanwhile, even Z knows that the most consistent and outspoken voices against the lockdowns and mandatory mask orders have been libertarian voices.

It has been the likes of Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul, Tom Woods, Eric Peters, and Tom Dilorenzo who have, ab initio, recognized that the Church of Covid is demonic.

It has also been the likes of small business owners, motivated by profits and furnishing good services to their patrons, who have courageously stood up to the tyrants and the Branch Covidians and the maskeratti.

Thud Muffle
Member
20 days ago

Another side effect we’re seeing in our 300,000 person hamlet in the Central Valley is the drug cartels moving in to take over the business. We’ve had six murders of young black men this month. I’m so old I don’t have to worry but it’s going to be interesting to see how mooks like Gavin Buzzwords handle being shoved aside by a cartel rep.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Thud Muffle
20 days ago

aztecs > zulus

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  sentry
20 days ago

And their food is better 🙂

Vizzini
Reply to  Thud Muffle
20 days ago

it’s going to be interesting to see how mooks like Gavin Buzzwords handle being shoved aside by a cartel rep.

No, not that interesting. It was so quiet you didn’t even notice.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Thud Muffle
20 days ago

6 out of 300,000?

those are rookie numbers.

Chicago has had 787 folks (and people) put down this year. In fact, since 2009, almost 7,000 inhabitants of The Windy City have been ended.

Do the math, but as smarter people than me have stated on this site, avoid crowds, and diversity.

Thud Muffle
Member
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
20 days ago

That’s this weeks tally.

TomA
TomA
20 days ago

The house is on fire and you’re complaining about a leaking toilet valve. Voter fraud has just destroyed a foundational pillar of our country, and you think re-instituting the Drug War should now be our highest priority? The Dementia Patient is owned lock, stock, and barrel by Communist China, but first we need to start locking up potheads again? The FBI has become a full-fledged criminal enterprise, but the bum on the street corner soliciting change is Public Enemy No. 1? WTF?

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Moe Noname
Moe Noname
Reply to  TomA
20 days ago

I agree, TomA, that the election fraud is the most important event since the Civil War.
However, we don’t come up with a new topic to write about every day as Mr. Z Man does. I appreciate the forum provided here and it certainly keeps more than a few of us sane and focused in a mad, mad world.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Moe Noname
20 days ago

I’m not criticizing Z. His writing is among the best that can be found anywhere on the internet these days. But the pot is starting to boil and we can’t keep pretending that we have the luxury of yakking endlessly. It’s about to get real (as in 1776 real), and grousing about potheads is not a necessary survival skill when the Jackboots start marching.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  TomA
20 days ago

Damn Tom. You’re such a ray of sunshine… 😉

Josh
Josh
20 days ago
Drake
Drake
20 days ago

I’m not sure I’m seeing the connection between legalized drugs and the breakdown of rule-of-law. Correlation versus causation.
In the 1800’s laudanum was an over-the-counter drug but we somehow maintained law and order. It’s a loss of a willpower that’s been evident for a long time. I lived in Los Angeles in the 90’s and there were bums everywhere openly flouting laws against drug use and public drunkenness. It wasn’t punished then because the authorities lacked the will.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Drake
20 days ago

I do not think it is the rule of law so much breaking down but the mantle of and respect for authority that are. Let’s be honest, if the government is out there essentially promoting getting high that at some level a person determines the government is not an authority worth respecting. Who is going to respect that? People don’t always like being told what to do but they need it in their lives. Even criminals crave some semblance of a legitimate authority because it gives them that thing they are meant to fight against. Like Trump for the liberals.

Member
20 days ago

“These state governments are not legalizing drugs because they love liberty. They are doing it because they no longer have the will or the desire to maintain order.” But that does not follow, Z-Man. As you yourself noted, legalizing states are positively zealous when it comes to enforcing order via Kovid Krackdowns. What we’re really seeing here is modern Leftism reified in the legal realm. Hence, the Leftists approve of destructive criminal activity because it harms the civilization they loathe and the crimes are disproportionately committed by their preferred people, namely blacks. Thus, various forms of crime are either formally… Read more »

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

Yeah but even with the crackdowns the pot shops remained open as “essential” businesses in CA

From what I gather, seeing friends and just hearing the talk on the street, is that a lot of people were cool with the crackdowns as long as rent wasn’t due and they could get high all day. My sense is the claustrophobia is now taking over and people are starting to rebel for that general reason.

anonymous
anonymous
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

“You’re operating your business as a nonessential 5th class citizen!”
“But officer, I’m also selling vice! See, marijuana. It’s not all sump pumps and compressors!”
“A likely story!”

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

Since they lost the will to enforce the laws, they decided to get a cut of the action through taxes instead.
Mess with their tax revenue and they will react with force.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

Solzhenitsyn in Gulag Archipelago makes exactly that point. In the prison camps, the common criminals (“Thieves”) were considered (I forget exact term) “socially friendly elements” to the Marxists precisely because their crimes (such as theft) hurt the Burgeois (e.g. ordinary citizens like us.) In fact they were indeed “useful,” as Thieves got lighter sentences, were treated better in prisons, often having positions of authority, etc. It was the political prisoners who were treated worst, and continuied being victims of Thieves even inside.

Reply to  Ben the Layabout
19 days ago

I know I’m on the right track when I’m in accord with Solzhenitsyn.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
19 days ago

And who is behind the anti white end game….come on you can say it, big nose, little hat, long walks on saturday. Thinks you’re cattle….wants you dead.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
20 days ago

The main argument I have always heard for legalization, especially marijuana legalization is that the prisons were full of “non-violent drug offenders” caught with personal use amounts of marijuana. This was always a lie. Prisons are filled with dangerous men who belong there. The biggest part of this lie is that prisons were filled with black men because of racist drug laws, especially marijuana laws. But in the big blue cities with large black populations, it’s pretty difficult to get sent to prison. You really have to screw up to get sent to prison. Nobody is/was going to prison for… Read more »

Tumescent
Tumescent
20 days ago

The marketing done to sell marijuana is interesting. Part of the strategy is to pretend that all of the various strains have all these varying positive effects, like this strain will spur creativity and this other strain will help with anxiety. It’s all pretty much the same.  Getting high, regardless of the strain, pretty much just results in you being stupid for awhile. Even more stupid than normal.

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CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Tumescent
20 days ago

Not necessarily “awhile”. Results in younger persons over the years of growth do not bode positive.

roberto
roberto
Reply to  Tumescent
19 days ago

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Tumescent
Tumescent
Reply to  roberto
19 days ago

You must smoke a lot.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
20 days ago

Dissolving the rule of law is having an overall effect of culling the herd. This appears to be the intent. Legalizing prostution and euthanasia will probably be next. Throw a few haplotype specific pandemics into the mix, and Mr. Gates won’t have to yell at anyone to get off his lawn. Dissolving the rule of law is having an overall effect of culling the herd. This appears to be the intent. Legalizing prostution and euthanasia will probably be next. Throw a few haplotype specific pandemics into the mix, and Mr. Gates won’t have to yell at anyone to get off… Read more »

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Allen
20 days ago

I see it more as the low intelligence set trying to show how forward thinking they are. In real life important things require maintenance and repair to keep in good functioning order. That’s just boring and not very flashy. To really impress your neighbors you have to engage in an over the top light and sound show. Whether it makes sense to do it is not the point, the point for them is the display. It’s like the guy who buys a new car with all the bells and whistles. For him it’s not about whether it’s good transportation or… Read more »

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
20 days ago

Sam Francis wrote: “In reality, there is no foe in the war against drugs that could not be well met by a county sheriff armed with a wad of Red Man, a couple of .12-gauges, a local posse, and a few yards of strong rope.” His point was you can tell who’s really in charge in a society by looking at who controls addictive drugs. Control once was at the local or state level. Then the federal government took over with the War on Drugs, which nationalized the problem. Today, as Z writes, the same drugs are a profit center… Read more »

Shreveman
Shreveman
20 days ago

I’ve been wondering if the push to legalize drugs is part of the rulers’ plan to further erode our freedoms. Give the masses the stuff to anesthetize themselves, increase their apathy and decrease their motivation.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Shreveman
20 days ago

Give the masses the stuff to anesthetize themselves, increase their apathy and decrease their motivation.
no doubt, same with women, who when seen(by a man) debauching themselves and turned feminist makes one give up on family and society.

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anonymous
anonymous
Reply to  Shreveman
20 days ago

I was saying almost the same thing below. These drugs are anesthetics, not stimulants. They’re intended to numb and pacify, not enable.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
20 days ago

Mall cops trying to violate the First Amendment rights of a guy wearing a Trump mask:

https://twitter.com/Calloutfortruth/status/1343973345474338822?s=19

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
20 days ago

Is the Mall private property?

KeepTheChange
KeepTheChange
Reply to  Bilejones
19 days ago

It’s probably owned by a private real estate firm (maybe Simon Properties? … I’m serious) and they could have rules about masks, but it better be plainly visible at entry to the mall. On the other hand, there is the idea that the mall is open to the public, unlike, say, a private golf resort, that is also private, but requires membership to enter. The mall requires no membership, so it’s “public” in that regard.

anonymous
anonymous
20 days ago

(Was a libertarian when younger. It had nothing to do with wanting to get high, and mostly to do with a desire for consistency and principles in how society is organized. These days, society operating according to principles and respectful of rights seems like a cause so lost it’s a fairy tale. I just want to ensure the survival of my family as everyone goes mad and grasps for power.) As to the drugs: Have you ever noticed that the ones championed by the left (which includes the so-called-libertarians) are the useless drugs? The ones inducing stupor, passivity, and disengagement?… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
20 days ago

The central lie in Z-mans case is this:

The other is that you are responsible only for you and you have no duty to your neighbors or community.

His moral and ethical structure seems to be such that only Government force creates a Duty.
Other people may recognize factors other than fear of State violence in determining their actions.