Lesson Of Trump #2

One of the ironies of the Trump phenomenon is that his most ardent supporters and his many opponents focused on the man, when it was never about the man. Ten years ago, no rational person would have picked Donald Trump as the face of populist discontent, much less the most consequential political figure in generations. When he ran, it was assumed it was a publicity stunt, as he had spent his life as an entertainment gadfly, finding ways to draw public attention to his real estate schemes.

Yet, as the Trump era draws to a close, both his supporters and his enemies have developed a political cult around the man. His supporters are sure he has some last trick up his sleeve to do something to save the country. His opponents are sure he has some trick up his sleeve to steal their democracy from them. So much so, in fact, they have turned the tiny internet fad called QAnon into a subversive conspiracy. There are more anti-Q fanatics now than genuine followers of it.

The thing is, Trump was always an opportunist. In fact, he is the extreme expression of the opportunist, which is how he went from Queens landlord to one of the most famous and successful real estate developers in the world. Real estate, especially the business of high-profile resort properties, is about opportunity. You find a deal before everyone else and cash in before the next big thing. Trump got rich finding the next big thing before everyone else realized that it was the next big thing.

Trump got into politics for all the same reasons everyone else runs for office in a modern liberal democracy. He wanted affirmation. Unlike the narcissistic robots that fill up both parties, Trump saw an opportunity outside the system. The swelling ranks of disaffected whites, unhappy with both parties, looked a lot like a neglected property with tremendous promise, if the right investor came along. Most important from Trump’s perspective, they were a motivated seller.

The first eager seller was Ann Coulter, who was one of the most prominent celebrities to get on the Trump train. Well before anyone thought Trump was a serious threat to the Republican nomination, she was saying he would not only win the nomination but win the general election. Queen Ann completely bought into Trump being the daddy she had been waiting for her whole political life. She went to war for Trump the man, believing he was the answer.

She was not alone in thinking Trump was the savior. The alt-right that had been forming up on-line in the Obama years also went all in on Trump. They convinced themselves he was the American Pinochet. Mike Enoch of The Right Stuff jumped on the Trump train with the same enthusiasm as Ann Coulter. Richard Spencer was a full-blown MAGA man. The alt-right went to war for Trump in the 2016 election, so much so that even Hillary Clinton felt the need to notice them.

The trouble is, Trump was never that man. He could never be that man. He could never have won the nomination and the general election if he was that man. Only an opportunist with no regard for what he was saying could have gamed the system the way he did in 2016. Unlike Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot who came before him, Donald Trump won because he was not constrained by the truth. Like every opportunist, he was only focused on exploiting the opportunity.

Of course, when this reality became too obvious to ignore, many people jumped off the Trump train and became droning critics. Like jilted lovers they could not stop talking about how the mean old orange man did them wrong. They were not wrong to point out Trump’s faults. Their error was in thinking he was their savior or that any man can be the savior in this political system. They were sure and remain sure that you can vote your way out of the defects of liberal democracy.

There are three lessons here. One is that Trump could never have existed without the realty of the masses that supported him. He was just a front runner, a guy who jumped to the head of a wave of people coming to terms with the fact that we are entering a new era of politics. With or without Trump, those people exist and will continue to exist with the same grievances and concerns. Just because the dull knight vanquished their champion, does not mean they cease to exist.

Another lesson is there is no way to reform this system. The sort of person who can win an election is either a careerist sellout like every member of the GOP or an outlandish outsider with no ability to govern. The only way forward for dissidents is to focus on building outside the system. A third of all adults and close to half of white people no longer think the system is legitimate. Every day the people in charge convert more people to this view with their authoritarian actions.

The final lesson here is that the old political labels are no longer relevant. That is what the Trump era demonstrated. It is no longer about conservative versus liberal or red team versus blue team. It is not socialism versus capitalism. It is about those who live in the lie of liberal democracy and those who live in the truth. If you live in the truth, you not only oppose the people running the system, but you also oppose the system that allows these criminal aliens to rule over us.


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Epaminondas
Member
3 years ago

Disagree with the premise that Trump was merely an opportunist. I believe he was genuinely disturbed by the incompetence and unctuous political piety of establishment Republicans. But he was marinated in a civic liberalism and egalitarianism that is part of the atmosphere where he came to manhood. Trump is part and parcel of Queens and Long Island. And he is the grandson of immigrants. It’s not as though he were on fire to protect the Historic American Nation. And his sojourn in the media made him aware not only of its awesome power, but also of how deceptive and seditious… Read more »

Last edited 3 years ago by Epaminondas
Drake
Drake
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

I agree. He desperately wanted to return to the 80’s and 90’s and thought the right President could do it. (A sentiment I shared 4 years ago) Repeated stabs in the back by the media, the deep state bureaucrats, and even his own party showed how wrong he was. Unfortunately there is no going back.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Drake
3 years ago

You Can’t Go Home Again

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

And that was a bitter brew to swallow. For us Boomers, Trump was a false Spring. I had hoped to at least reach my mid-eighties in calm political waters. Not going to happen. Implement Plan B.

Last edited 3 years ago by Epaminondas
Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

we survived the 70’s for god’s sake! why do we have to go through it again !?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

This much worse than the 70’s in many ways.
No serious person though the US could end up in a genocidal war at that time. Some violence, a bit of terror and the like but the US was fine, would be fine.
Hell cities were grimy in the 70’s but not Mumbai 2.0 like L.A. is now
On top of all that serious people are seriously freaking out and worried about a coats to coast Bosnia x Rwanda civil war in a very short time.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

This is where the liberal’s tolerance of novelty, and disregard of history or consequences, gives them the edge.

They’ll adapt to any new normal, focusing their efforts solely on grabbing the bag. They save nothing, since we are no longer kin.

We’re the evil that must be erased that they might receive accolades. After all, white people have an evil strain in them, and might turn into Nazis or Klansmen at the drop of a hat.

Funny how people on two sides believe the same things- only, about each other. In their inverted world, we’re the ones infested with demons.

Last edited 3 years ago by Alzaebo
Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

ooo, whats plan B?

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

Stay out of the Gulag.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

Very well said. I don’t think he gets enough credit for trying to stand up to the tsunami of venom directed at him. Very few people could take that without buckling. He is also at great risk for vindictive IRS persecutions when he is out of office.

Last edited 3 years ago by DLS
Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

yes, his own personal risk is a big part of this. My dad is his age, and he just wants to squeak by, not put oneself into that much harm

B125
B125
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

God bless trump, he did more than any of us.

But trump is trump. Seeing him as a god and saviour is wrong. He would never be that. Seeing him as a vile traitor is also wrong.

He’s just another character in the play of life, strutting across the stage. Now his act is over.

I think he legitimately likes and supports blue collar America. He wants a return to 80s or 90s america. He probably doesn’t understand why and is racially ignorant. The truth is that by 2016 it was far too late to turn things around anyways.

B125
B125
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Ie. Imagine the blowhard construction worker at your local bar somehow got elevated to president.

Sure he might complain about “damn mexicans” but he really has no clue about the bigger picture. He’s not a bad guy but he’s in way over his head as president and gets rolled.

That’s basically Trump.

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

Absolutely, well said. And clearly written, too!

Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

Trump’s main accomplishment was showing just how much the system was willing to do to stop what they perceived as the threat from him and his followers. The reaction to Covid and then the summer of burning, looting, and murdering was the big tell. The Establishment was clearly willing to destroy a lot of it’s own wealth and credibility to get rid of this threat. To top it off, they are now, exactly as many of us predicted, going to brazenly declare the problems solved and tell us to return to “normal” over the next few months. All of this… Read more »

I.M. Brute
I.M. Brute
3 years ago

Dr. William Pierce couldn’t have said it better! Oh wait! He did! Many decades ago. Watching the white working class slowly wake up to the truth is sorta like a parent watching his child, in stages, learn to talk, walk, read and write, ride a bike, etc. Dr. Pierce’s shortwave American Dissident Voices broadcasts opened my eyes way back in the 1990’s. Now, some of us are just standing there smiling, waiting for our toddlers to catch up!

David Wright
Member
Reply to  I.M. Brute
3 years ago

What plans have you come up with all that time on your hands. Any ideas that the rest of the dopes missed?

The white working class has probably been a little more based for a long time but leaders don’t usually come from there. So while you are smiling in self satisfaction, you’re not the only one knowing early where this was all going. People like Buchanan and even Perot were early bellwethers who actually put in on the line and tried.

B125
B125
Reply to  David Wright
3 years ago

The middle and upper middle class whites are in for a rude awakening too. Do you know how many soft UMC white kids are sitting in their parents’ basement with a useless degree? “Finding yourself” in your 20s was maybe ok in the Boomer days. Today, with intense 3rd world pressure, as well as anti-white affirmative action preventing hiring, these kids are screwed. They might live one generation off of inheritance but that’s it. They think that by selling out lower class whites they will be rewarded. They won’t be. However millenials are now sliding into poverty and seem woker… Read more »

sentry
sentry
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

However millenials are now sliding into poverty and seem woker than ever. 
American University millenial: if you went broke then you need to get more woke, vote israelite bernie! Hurrah! That’s the solution everyone!

Last edited 3 years ago by sentry
Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Sink or swim time when they have to fend for themselves. Many will swim. Society never had faith in millennials imo. Kept them on the conveyor belt, coddled them, corrupted them, made puppets of them.

It’s hatred posing as love. Mama’s love, as JLP would say. The collapse will be the shove out of the nest they need.

whitney
Member
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

This bazillion dollars that Bidens giving for covid release is just a transfer of wealth. The reason Democratic Governors are talking about opening up their states now is because they know they can get on the grift which is a transfer of money from white people to non-whites explicitly stated. I know a lot of these upper middle-class people and they’re extremely soft precious children. It’s going to be very difficult for them. Some of the young men are hard though. Not many but a few

B125
B125
Reply to  whitney
3 years ago

Yes, I’m one of the hard ones from a privileged background. The true rich are fine, they actually don’t fuck around that much with their kids’ education, and there’s that nepotism too.

The snooty, soft, and mediocre UMC strivers are in trouble. Most of them are doing well because their boomer parents were in the right place at the right time.

Many from this group have a meme degree and are “travelling the world” to “find themselves”. Every year more hiring departments turn coloured and that’s one more place they won’t get a job.

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

I think that in the long-run, perhaps optimistically, that small and medium-sized businesses will be a great landing place for competent white males (and white females if necessary). As big globohomo corp pushes out competent, talented white men, they’ll land on their feet at these SMBs that cannot afford to play the diversity game and are scrappy and lean. They just want talent. They will help grow the shit out of them. As a Consultant, I see this with most of the clients we work with that are <$1B revenue, and definitely below the $500MM revenue level. Hardly a jogger… Read more »

My Comment
Member
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
3 years ago

“Of course, all this assumes that globohomo won’t nefariously seek to regulate, tax, and hound these businesses into oblivion.”

We are already seeing that with affirmative action sourcing in government and The Great Pretender announcing that he won’t bail out or give aid to small businesses run by white men

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  My Comment
3 years ago

That was shocking

Herbert Marcuse
Herbert Marcuse
Reply to  Hi-yah!
3 years ago

That was shocking

Even 4cuck doesn’t understand the gravity of the situation:

Umm, guys?
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/303837059

The Frankfurt School is now working feverishly to acclimate the mouth-breathing goyische idiots to the idea of (((First Husband Douglas Craig Emhoff))).

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Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Meme degree, eheh

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

One hundred percent. It is happening now in tech, and of course middle class jobs associated with fossil fuels will be gone soon, management, engineering and sales along with extraction. Biden would probably like to expand vehicle manufacturing, particularly, electric, and those jobs are blue collar but pay middle class wages; his handlers will limit his ability to do so. Essentially any private sector industry job that has a large contingent of Whites and pays them sustainable wages will be devastated. While the POZ has been in government sector jobs for about three generations now, the anti-White pain will be… Read more »

Mis(ter)Anthrope
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Funny, I’m a late Boomer and I never had the opportunity to “find myself.” I have held a job since I was 15 years old. I worked the entire time I was in college. Those jobs included laying asphalt in the hot summer, dishwasher, busboy, maintenance crew at an apartment complex … . My father was in Vietnam (career military) when I was in the second and third grade. I don’t remember it, but my mother told me later in life that I used to cry in school because I was worried about my father. I grew up on military… Read more »

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
3 years ago

Our host and many posters here still buy into the circular firing squad mentality of blaming their fellow lower class whites for all their woes. It’s stupid and counterproductive but that’s how they roll.
The ruling class loves this shit because it takes the heat off them and their associates.

B125
B125
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
3 years ago

It wasn’t an attack on all boomers.

I just know alot of them who were ski bums and hippies and travelled to South America or wherever during their 20s. Things worked out for them in the end.

Things are not going to work out for gen z doing the same.

Mis(ter)Anthrope
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Fair enough.

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Im in this online book club and there are two boomers that are exactly that. Explored the world, thne went into big advertising and one just retired as an exec at amazon. Maybe he’s lyingtho

My Comment
Member
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
3 years ago

Everyone who is younger than boomers thinks all boomers grew up wealthy and were hippies. They find it unpleasant to believe that most of us were working class, head to pay or way through school and voted for Nixon not McGovern.

Unfortunately, the right is nearly as historically illiterate as the left when it comes to American history especially the 20th century

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  My Comment
3 years ago

Slow clapping, friend, slow clapping!

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
3 years ago

Yes, as a late Boomer here, I find it amusing. It’s no doubt traditional to blame one’s elders for the state of the world one inherits. When someone wants to blame us for the wreckage from Civil Rights, all you need point out is that the last major brick in that wall was 1964 or 1965, when the oldest Boomers were not even of voting age (it was 21 back then). Nope, that credit goes to the Boomer’s parents, the “Greatest Generation.”

Sjh
Sjh
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

Also have worked since 15, now 66 and working for benefits for younger spouse. Too busy working to decide how other people should live/think. Homeschooled kids, so lived on one income and most wealth tied up in home and surrounding land, but that may be a good thing. Also shaking my head at where my white privilege is hiding.

Raslip Mugfrid
Raslip Mugfrid
Member
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

At the very least, as a Millennial, I am grateful for the more honest prognosis found here–whether it ends up being poverty or making the turn around happen–that other older adults still refuse to give. They keep wanting to entice you with another silly fools’ errand or scam. It’s like when at an Optimist International convention, they aired a short documentary about a Type 1 Diabetic who succeeded in climbing Mount Everest without damaging his insulin pump. And don’t get me wrong–that’s an amazing, extraordinary feat… But what does that have to do with an average Joe with limited capacity… Read more »

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  Raslip Mugfrid
3 years ago

How do you know you are a millennial?

Oldtradesman
Oldtradesman
Reply to  David Wright
3 years ago

“Any ideas that the rest of the dopes missed?”

Here’s one: Local and regional organization, formal and informal, open and clandestine.

Like the American Left. Better still, like Hezbullah.

Unfortunately, the people comprising the American Right are ideologically-theologically compromised, leader/saviour-worshipping, short-sighted, greedy, and indolent.

Last edited 3 years ago by Oldtradesman
Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Oldtradesman
3 years ago

Upvoted for the premise ending in “Like the American Left. Better still, like Hezbullah.” Excellent.

The rest of it, though… when you can walk on water, run for President, ok?

Last edited 3 years ago by Alzaebo
KGB
KGB
Reply to  Oldtradesman
3 years ago

The Hasidics in NYC are another example of strength in community. I’m not sure there’s been another group in the States that’s been more effective at thumbing their noses at the Covid Commissars.

They also provide a counter-argument to the idea of going invisible. It seems like if you’ve got the community building correct, you can actually flaunt your membership.

Oldtradesman
Oldtradesman
Reply to  KGB
3 years ago

Both open and clandestine organization is necessary.

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  KGB
3 years ago

Amish have signs up that say dont wear a mask in our store!

ABCer
ABCer
Reply to  Oldtradesman
3 years ago

Peoples War by Clausewitz, or capter 6 On War. Mao was just copying. Or the spanish guerrillas of the peninsular war.

now note – safe lands, state or region sized, resources and money needed, and regular forces the guerrillas work with and for. Otherwise perish.

let the enemy have the cities, yoked to them. They cannot have the run of the counties.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  David Wright
3 years ago

In fairness, what to do about the mass bred up to consume and obey but watch the thing come down and let nature take its course?

I’ve wasted too much time and too many brain cells trying to make a difference, never realizing most people can’t be other than what they were made to be.

Slavers and their slaves have been the fly in the American ointment since the beginning imo.

pyrrhus
Reply to  David Wright
3 years ago

And now Buchanan has become just another Conservative Inc. mouthpiece, attacking the very Americans who supported him and oblivious to the threat that BLM/Antifa pose to the very existence of America…..

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  pyrrhus
3 years ago

hmm, someone here recently called out pat as another grifter, and caught flak for it. 🙂

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  pyrrhus
3 years ago

Yeah, shee, Pats one of ours, shee…

Lugh
Lugh
Reply to  David Wright
3 years ago

No, those two denied the importance of race. The hapless Buchanan actually picked a Black woman as his running mate – the ultimate bonehead pc move that sickened and confused everyone.

Jimbo
Jimbo
Reply to  I.M. Brute
3 years ago

You can find all of Pierce’s broadcasts at archive dot org:

https://archive.org/details/william-pierce-audio-archive

This Bitchute channel has been rolling them out gradually:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NFcgFN5hGh7r/

Pierce is one of those guys who is preemptively smeared by the left in order to create “crimestop” (in Orwell’s term) in people’s minds. If you actually listen to Pierce, he’s very sensible.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Jimbo
3 years ago
I.M. Brute
I.M. Brute
Reply to  Jimbo
3 years ago

Hey, thanks for the links! They’re now in my Favorites. It’ll be good to hear his voice again. It inspired me to action 25 years ago, maybe it’ll do so again.

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  Jimbo
3 years ago

I listened to what I suppose is his “theory of everything” from ‘76 and its warmed over Jungian/pantheism. Its really kinda worn out. I think his goal, free association, is good. And his naming the (((enemy))) is good, but why do we have to think that we are a little part of Brahma in order to do it?

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  I.M. Brute
3 years ago

thanks for the pierce suggestion!

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  I.M. Brute
3 years ago

I listened to the first two, the guy is fiery. His beyond right and left to find the spiritual side of “our thing” is flat out pantheistic. Why is it so hard to just say “ we don’t want our daughters marrying blacks, and frankly we don’t want to be around blacks, because we said so, thats why”?
The Cosmic Christ was stupid and heretical when it was cooked up by that French Peking man priest, and it remains so!

Chester White
Chester White
3 years ago

My biggest concern about Trump at the beginning was that he obviously had never read a history book. It seemed unlikely then that he understood what was happening to the country, and his own situation. It is no surprise that he hired swamp critters to help him, and it’s no surprise that they did everything they could to make him fail.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Chester White
3 years ago

what’s odd is that Trump never corrected for that. it almost seems like he was a front for some unseen faction, and was never actually in control personally.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

He began correcting course at the end of the term, but it was far too late.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

I just think there was no one turn to. He should have stuck with Flynn, and fired everyone else on day one. All US attorneys, FBI leadership, Intelligence traitors, etc. But to be fair, it would be difficult to anticipate how traitorous they would be. And there just weren’t enough warm bodies outside the GOP swamp to turn to.

TammyFan
TammyFan
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

Every cabinet post or judge had to be approved by the corrupt Senate. Trump never got a chance to make a recess appointment because his own party kept the Senate officially open with pro forma sessions.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  TammyFan
3 years ago

send the one cabinet candidate you want, and if they don’t approve him, just appoint him as “acting” and leave it t that for the entire 4 years. or leave it empty, it’s not like those guys ever do anything real.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  TammyFan
3 years ago

Mitch Mconnell and Paul Ryan are two of the best Republicans the Democrats could have ever owned.

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

He was the ultimate outsider yet staffed & surrounded with insiders ramming shivs in his back @ every opportunity. He exposed the rampant corruption in DC which – to them – is absolutely unforgivable, hence the rush to impeachment 2.0.
“What can’t continue, won’t” & this can’t continue.

Buckle up.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

Makes you wonder. To hear him speak, though, it seems just as likely he believed he could make the sale.

Some Guy
Some Guy
Reply to  Chester White
3 years ago

That was a strength and a weakness. Appealing to voters who stopped showing up since the 1970s and 1980s required someone to cut through some ideology which was a strength that won him the election but it cost him when he kept making mistakes after the election. At the time in 2016, people were baffled that Trump often ran against Hillary from the left on economics and trade.

David
David
Reply to  Some Guy
3 years ago

This is the right economic strategy from a national level. Our avg IQ is too low to have one party completely enamored by “free market principles.” Unless right wingers can expell all minorities, its a battle of the gibs from here on out, if republicans ever want to win again. Either way, we all lose.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  David
3 years ago

There is an alternative to expelling them https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f608.svg

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Chester White
3 years ago

Weeks before either got their party’s nomination, Trump and Clinton appeared before an AIPAC convention on consecutive nights to give their support to Israel. I think each appearance was even televised live. I still voted for Trump but I knew tge fix was in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZGgMJ3QDAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mktOMLKYojI

B125
B125
Reply to  Chester White
3 years ago

Trump assumed that Washington worked the same as business. You have enemies, sure, but at the end of the day everybody is trying to make money.

In reality, Washington is nothing like that. Trump’s competitor, the Democrats, want to make his customer base extinct. Trump’s company, the Republicans, are full of people who’s job is to make sure they *lose money*.

There is no art of the deal in this swamp. Trump proved that reform is not possible. Even if he wanted to, you can’t micromanage every aspect of the entire USG.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Chester White
3 years ago

McConnell was dictating most of his appointments that required Senate approval.and understand that he HATED Trump. This is why Trump couldn’t do a recess appointment for AG and was forced to hire Barr.
As for the others they were approved by Pence.s people.

Sandmich
Sandmich
3 years ago

Made me flashback to Trump debating repubcucks during the 2015 primaries. Trump’s debate performance was good, not great, which shone just how badly the others were. I sat there thinking “I can’t believe they’re going to lose to this guy”, and I don’t mean that in a bad way, I was just impressed that it could be done at all! To the point of the post though, yeah, from here on out we’ll only get a slate of gray-men candidates that have been vetted and approved by the system.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Sandmich
3 years ago

Sixteen candidates and only one would say the Iraq war was a mistake. One of the main Trump attackers was a woman who as a failed tech CEO outsourced thousands of jobs. There is really no way Trump could have lost once he understood the anger the average voter felt towards the people running the party.

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  Barnard
3 years ago

Very good point about Iraq. When the words “sadam” first came out of bush s mouth I remember thinking, where did that come from. But like a good “support the troops “ republican I got on board.
for me personally, I had not been aware of all the outsourcing, and I just assumed immigration and white replacement was a natural phenomenon!

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Hi-yah!
3 years ago

Among everyday folks I talk to about immigration, almost all have no idea of the specific history of immigration, the 1924 act, the 1790 act, Hart-Celler in 1965, the numbers of legal immigrants admitted annually, the ethnicities, etc. They just think immigration “happens” naturally, and as long as they’re legal, all is good. It’s similar to outsourcing. “Free trade is good,” is all they know.

David
David
Reply to  Wolf Barney
3 years ago

We have the highest raw immigration in the world, about 1.5 million new americans per year! Youd think we would have had a say in the matter being a “democracy” and all. Its been a liberal tyranny for 60 years at least.

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  Wolf Barney
3 years ago

I posted a quote of William Vaile in the 1924 act, in a conservative leaning group, and they went nuts and eventually took it down. What I’m struck at is limiting Asian immigration to 100, thats right 100, per year is now seen as evil. We MUSt let in 10s of thousands because, well, they deserve to be here fro some reason. So what does that make every single on of our ancestors? Well, it makes them evil racist White supremists, doesn’t it? so, in this way, America IS systemically racist, and needs to be torn down. Thats what I… Read more »

ChrisZ
ChrisZ
Reply to  Barnard
3 years ago

Good point. And more telling, only one stood up to defend Iraq War 2, even though nearly all of them promoted it back in the day. And the defender (Jeb) did so on account of his brother, not the war itself.

Milestone D
Milestone D
Reply to  Barnard
3 years ago

I was a vocal proponent of the Iraq adventure when I was in grad school in 2003. I was ready to invade the entire world to spread GWB’s freedom jihad. (cringe) Fast-forward a few years and I found myself in Iraq … what a shit-show! Catharsis is good for the soul, so I made a point to track down one professor from grad school and confess my mistake. That email coming from iraq.centcom.mil email address probably entertained him a bit. I guess all those other candidates had to keep up the lie that Iraq was anything other than an unmitigated… Read more »

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  Milestone D
3 years ago

What is it about trump? Just that hes not from the club? There is something about him that makes otherwise normal people go bananas…

ABCer
ABCer
Reply to  Milestone D
3 years ago

We were behind Trump, so we got nothing.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Sandmich
3 years ago

from here on out we’ll only get a slate of gray-men candidates that have been vetted and approved by the system.” and no one votes for, because voting is a synonym for LARP’g

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

Precisely. Trump stood out compared to the rest of the candidates. He stood out exactly because he was not of the vetted mode. About that time, I realized that all the others were of the same ilk that would accomplish nothing in office and reverse all their “positions” in short order. Of course voting for Trump was betting on the come, but I still do not regret it. Many concepts were formed for me during the Trump administration that would not have occurred if Trump had not been elected. In that his election was a victory of sorts for the… Read more »

David
David
Reply to  CompscI
3 years ago

Whats there to regret? Was there a better option? The left’s response to him, like fbi pleading guilty to falsifying evidence to spy on his campaign, russia investigation, impeachment over something biden did, election fraud, and second impeachment have woken up tens of milllions of people to how corrupt our institutions are. I still think its too late to save the US, but maybe more of us will take our families to eastern europe or a few states will secede one day.

PauliT
PauliT
Reply to  Sandmich
3 years ago

You have to admit, watching Trump destroy Jeb Bush was one of the funniest things I’ve ever watched.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  PauliT
3 years ago

he castrated Jeb! live on tv. which was tricky because the bush males have undescended testicles.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

“Please clap”

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  PauliT
3 years ago

My favorite debate memory was when Jeb was ranting at Trump about how brave and strong his mother was, and Trump told him then she should be running.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  PauliT
3 years ago

Damn could he make a nickname stick. He destroyed Little Marco just with that alone. And when he asked who would want to look at Fiorina’s face for 4 years – so mean, but so true.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

it helped she winnied when he said that

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  PauliT
3 years ago

This is the moment I will love forever

https://youtu.be/3MdIri5ji68

Drew
Drew
Reply to  PauliT
3 years ago

TBH, that alone was worth his election. If you can’t break the system, at least belittle it.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  PauliT
3 years ago

Calling Chuck Schumer “the head clown” was equally priceless…

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Sandmich
3 years ago

It was wild to see him go after John McCain’s war record. Sure, he was at the bottom of his class at the naval academy and had a history of crashing planes and other screwups, but still, that was out of the box thinking.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

The thing is tho, that was what EVERY military vet I knew was saying about McCain

They hated him

One of Trump’s skills was knowing what regular vets were thinking

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DLS
DLS
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

That was my understanding as well. His father was an admiral, and thus he could screw up and strut around like the rules didn’t apply to him. Perfect training for a career in politics. Even the legend about him demanding other POWs be released before him was likely fabricated.

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Bilejones
Member
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

I ask McCaine supporters to name one Vietnamese with more confirmed kills of Americans than their hero.
Shock, horror, outrage, silence.
“Why do you think they erected a statue to him? ”
Ends the discussion.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Bilejones
3 years ago

haha too funny

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

the blue falcon

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Sandmich
3 years ago

Nature abhors a vacuum, somebody will rise. The danger is, politics having failed, he’ll be a man on a white horse, an Austrian corporal— a foreigner. But maybe we’ll get lucky.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 years ago

Dictatorship is coming. Hell, it’s already here at the national level. It’s just a question of whether we get Chavez or Pinochet.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

We’ve already got our Chavez. What we now need is a Lech Walesa.

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Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

or at least a Peron 😛

Drew
Drew
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

Or, hopefully, Napoleon.

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  Drew
3 years ago

as I remember that did not end well and not just for the Emperor himself but for the rest of Europe.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  tonaludatus
3 years ago

To quote Tom Cruise in Cocktail, “Nothing ends well. Otherwise it wouldn’t end.”

Drew
Drew
Reply to  tonaludatus
3 years ago

Yeah, but it was better than the revolutionaries, at least for the peasantry. I don’t much care what happens to elites or foreigners, so as long as the dictatorship makes my life better, I’m all for it.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Sandmich
3 years ago

Every single major US sponsored conflict in the past 55 years has begun with a US lie.

  • Vietnam – Gulf of Tonkin
  • Greneda – “Save the Medical Students!”
  • Gulf War I – (Babies in incubators dumped on the ground)
  • Gulf War II – Weapons of Mass Destruction!
  • WWIII/Civ War 2.0 – Putin backed the “Insurgents”!

Millions of deaths, based on half-truths and lies. Yeah, love the troops, they are necessary and good men are among them. But they do what they’re told, no matter how bad it stinks.

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DLS
DLS
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Not to mention that we had no business jumping into the WWI stalemate, which inevitably led to WWII. It is also an open question if Pearl Harbor was known in advance.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

so what if it was known in advance, it was still an attack on the US.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

Agreed, the Japs deserved what they got, 100%.

The US really put the screws to them with trade embargos…steel and oil. Pressure to make them stop raping China, but let’s be honest…Japan threatened the US Pacific empire, the Philippines especially.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

They certainly did come 1942. My Dad was on one of our subs in the Pacific in those years. He never had any war stories. One of his few was his Capitan saying: “Men, I can forgive mistakes, but the sea never does.” That one has stuck with me.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

The “so what” is 2,403 Americans died that day.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

and what would those men have been doing, if they had survived the attack? say, 6 months later?

why don’t you read up on the Coventry air raid in WWII.

Massagynist
Massagynist
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

Pearl Harbor “surprise” not an open question. War Lord Roosevelt bated the Japanese.

william williams
william williams
Reply to  Massagynist
3 years ago

Pearl Harbor was surprise in Hawaii, but a delightful fulfillment of Lord Roosevelt’s long term plans.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Massagynist
3 years ago

why did he hat e the japanese? did he catch polio from a sushi chef?

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

Just listened to a fascinating interview about WW2 with Mark Weber on Guide to Kulchur. “The War that Destroyed the West”.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

WW2 – We had an undeclared naval war with Germany, we were already giving Lend-Lease to the Soviets and actively poking tge Japanese to attack us (rather than the Soviets).
WW1 – We were providing aid to the Entente. Then there is the matter of what exactly US zionists did to warrant the acknowledgement of the Balfour Declaration.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  skeptic16
3 years ago

The USA’s aid to the Soviets pre-war is itself inexcusable. Long before the war (1920s) the USSR was already well into its Gulag Archipelago phase. Rumors and reports of that had leaked to the West, but (and note parallels in today’s world), liberal, social and communist sympathizers in the West said it was all falsehoods. The Reds tortured and murdered its own citizens on a scale rarely seen in history, only (probably — I’m not an expert on history) exceeded by the Nazi death toll 1930s-1945.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

A soldier that thinks for himself isn’t a soldier, he’s an infiltrator. You cannot have a functional aren’t without the absolute discipline of the ranks. Consequently, it is the commander in chief, and only the commander in chief, who deserves criticism for bad wars and false pretenses.

WJ0216
WJ0216
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Babies dumped out of incubators according to the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador who hadn’t been in Kuwait in 3 years. Also the US ambassador to Iraq April Glasbie telling Saddam that “the US has no interest in the conflict between Iraq and Kuwait”. Greenlighted US approval 3 weeks before the Aug 2 invasion.

william williams
william williams
Reply to  WJ0216
3 years ago

It’s almost like the US government actually wanted a war!

WJ0216
WJ0216
Reply to  william williams
3 years ago

PJB got into trouble during the run up when he called out the Amen Corner of special people in the establishment that wanted that war. Tom Lantos of Cali (holocaust survivor or something like that) told the Prime Minister of Israel “we are going to get that bastard” referring to Saddam.
The crock of lies and manipulation that got us into PG 1 opened my eyes. However, to this day, even the people that hated PG 2 still consider Desert Storm to be a “good war”.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  WJ0216
3 years ago

The lies (actually perjury-she was under oath I believe) told by “Nayirah” the fake nurse to Congress in October 1990 were orchestrated by a New York public relations firm- Hill and Knowlton who were paid by the Kuwaiti government. If conspiring to commit perjury to Congress to forment US involvement in a war doesn’t constitute treason, what does? This became known within a few weeks in late 1990 and there was no reaction from Washington- no-one was hanged. That was the point when I realized the US was a Commercial Empire not a serious Country. Hill and Knowlton recently won… Read more »

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  Sandmich
3 years ago

“Low energy Jeb” is in a secret government laboratory being cloned as we speak.

Milestone D
Milestone D
Reply to  Sandmich
3 years ago

In retrospect, my first indication of the Trump phenomenon came in 2014. My dad, poster child CivNat, Team Red, worked on GWB campaign, etc., commented that he was tired of getting campaign donation requests from the GOP. When I asked him about it, he got a bit angry … I think he was starting to realize he was being used. I remember him commenting that all of the donation requests made reference to needing money to “fight the Obama agenda” but him then stating “they’re not going to do a damn thing except bend over.” I also remember his saying… Read more »

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Sandmich
3 years ago

I wonder if there might not be a real upheaval in the Republican Party. Mitch the betrayer was blaming trump in a senate speech for the so called riot, and the thought is he might support impeaching trump. I hope the gop senators do that. There would be hell to pay from the maga crowd. Might not change anything but it would be all the cannons on the deck rolling loose.

Jimbo
Jimbo
3 years ago

“It is the essence of politics to be able to distinguish between different degrees of evil.” Paul Johnson.

The thing is, Trump isn’t even evil at all. He’s just a scummy chancer–which is different from evil.

The Biden team (including the “larger team” in the swamp & media), however, has a lot of people who are genuinely evil. It’s amazing that a lot of people, including a lot of white people, didn’t see it.

It’s still kind of depressing, though, that the only two choices in your country’s election are scummy and evil.

veeze
veeze
Reply to  Jimbo
3 years ago

Well said, Jimbo.

whitney
Member
Reply to  Jimbo
3 years ago

Yeah the reason they seem to hate Trump is because he is NOT a Satanist pedophile. That is some bar placement they have there

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Jimbo
3 years ago

I think everyone has experience dealing with scummy, uncouth individuals and many mistake it in their sheltered lives for “evil” or what they think passes as that. “Oh, he insulted a gold-star muslim family, what an evil man!” Easy to paint such a man as evil in these soft times. Most people cannot comprehend what real evil is on that basis, and willingly allow lots of it into their homes because it seems if not truly safe, then at least benign.

usNthem
usNthem
3 years ago

I’d rather see the whole damn system with all of it’s vile inhabitants annihilated in one fell swoop where something new and righteous can arise from the ashes. Going through the tedious process of forming a new alternative to the present system will not likely allow for these criminals to be held to account for their seditious activities – which they must be.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  usNthem
3 years ago

it almost never happens that way. pol pot and mao and stalin all died in bed.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

Mao? I’m about to start a biography on the guy, thanks for the spoiler!

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Forever Templar
3 years ago

sorry bro! Maybe switch to a biography of Ceaucescu?

Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

The deaths of the Ceaucescus are a lesson and an inspiration to us all. The most instructive part is that supposedly there were 10 bullets fired at Elana for every one they shot at him. The most evil regimes are always those with a woman as the real power behind some fake tough guy. It’s a good thing there’s no dynamic like that here in America, isn’t it?

whitney
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

the death of Stalin is a great movie

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  whitney
3 years ago

I might of seen it, but will look it up on your recommendation 🙂

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

Nicholas II, Mussolini, Chaucescu and Hitler, however, did not.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

Nicholas II does not belong on that list, IMO.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  usNthem
3 years ago

I know

Waiting and tinkering around the edges doesn’t feed the appetite for destruction

Which is why I never bought into the “long game” strategy

Our side, for better or worse, our ind of people, are too fiery to play that game. That’s for (((them)))

WCiv...---...
WCiv...---...
3 years ago

Due to our genetic limitations, maybe this is the best we can do. After centuries and centuries of experimentation, from freedom to tyranny, maybe this the best we can hope for. After all the history books, from Herodotus and Thucydides to Gibbons and Kenneth Clark, what have we learned? Like Sisyphus, we are doomed to continually watch that boulder fall back down hill again.

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sentry
sentry
Reply to  WCiv...---...
3 years ago

there’s a reason why greeks invented the cassandra metaphor. Not everyone is surprised when a civilization collapses, but no one can do anything about it, winter is coming no matter what.

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Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  WCiv...---...
3 years ago

The classic good times create soft men comes to mind. It’s both a dysgenic effect of people reproducing who would have died in harsher times and simple laziness from living off the past generation’s success. It seems the only way to avoid the cycle is for a ruling class to ensure times never get too good, and to force hardship on themselves and their people, even if for goals seemingly arbitrary and unnecessary.
Of course, in a democracy, good luck selling that.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Chet Rollins
3 years ago

Yeah well, the whole point of thriving in hard times is to enjoy easy ones.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

Exactly, Dinodoxie, exactly.

WCiv...---...
WCiv...---...
Reply to  Chet Rollins
3 years ago

Some truth in the warning that good times may be dysgenic and cause soft men, the Spartans being an exception.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  WCiv...---...
3 years ago

Even Sparta eventually went soft and broke.

BTP
Member
Reply to  WCiv...---...
3 years ago

The Spartans lived, by choice, without walls around their city. It kept them on a constant wartime footing. By foregoing the safety of walls, they made their society mostly immune to the temptations of safety and softness.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  BTP
3 years ago

And they still died off. You can buy more time but no society is forever.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  abprosper
3 years ago

being complete homos kind of inhibited their reproductive rate.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

The rest of the city states had similar kinds of homosexuality as well. It didn’t really matter that much.
The real issue was simply that every society comes to an end, most a horrible one and Sparta however much we extol their past martial virtue was one such society.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Chet Rollins
3 years ago

Someone over a Gab pointed out that a flaw in our system was that it was long on “rights” and short on obligations. Not sure of the fix, and it doesn’t matter right now anyway as the system sure doesn’t want certain people involved in its administration and maintenance.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Sandmich
3 years ago

Obligations make sense in a big state. Ours was designed as near minrachy so obligations were all local and and mostly voluntary
Federally it was roughly voting (assumed not required) militia duty and jury duty as there was not much else to do for a nation that wasn’t interventionist .
Alternate models won’t have much to do either and claptrap like national service just ends up furthering Leftist goals.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Chet Rollins
3 years ago

that was always the angle the Church took, knowing that keeping people in a state of relative poverty but always longing and praying for something better was critical to their strength and survival

A lot of wisdom there

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  WCiv...---...
3 years ago

We are limited, thats true!

KGB
KGB
3 years ago

If it’s true that a man more honest than Trump couldn’t have been elected, then we were probably quite lucky that he came along to demonstrate that the percentage of the country under the sway of globohomo is not so great as to preclude their defeat. He was a necessary failure, cannon fodder who helped us take the first redoubt of the enemy. Just before the election, Z pointed out that an election that was quite nakedly stolen by TPTB was probably the best outcome in terms of bringing more people to our side. And that’s happened, too. The entire… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  KGB
3 years ago

Agreed. Trump brought so much to the surface. Millions of whites now see the media, the Dems and the GOP more clearly, some whites even see them for exactly what they are.

That was a huge plus for our side.

The stealing of the election and now the persecution of anyone working with Trump or the Jan. 6 protesters also will turn out better for our side than Trump winning. Whites are beginning to see that the other side will come for them and that free speech is dead.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  KGB
3 years ago

Agreed. He charged into battle with an army of unarmed troops, and no officers. In doing so, he exposed the true nature of the enemy.

Moe Noname
Moe Noname
3 years ago

“The final lesson here is that the old political labels are no longer relevant.” As a child in the 80’s, I modeled my life after “Alex P. Keaton” from the TV show “Family Ties”. Work hard, look good, respect your country, mock hippies. I thought that made me a Republican, a conservative and a patriot. Now, I am a father with a wife, kids, private school tuition, a mortgage and a property tax mortgage. Am I a Republican? No. Am I a conservative? No: what would i conserve? Am I a patriot? After another one of my lost nephews joined… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Moe Noname
3 years ago

the word you are looking for is “survivor”

Hi-yah!
Hi-yah!
Reply to  Moe Noname
3 years ago

I think we can still be patriotic in that we love, and weep for, the land we were born in. Which is what makes massive immigration from non white countries so awful.

this past few years, few months, has made me really think about what patriotism means.

i dont think Russians during the 40s would say they didn’t love Russia. But they knew they were in the grips of something that they could NOT love, nay, should not love.

something like that must have been going on here.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Hi-yah!
3 years ago

The government is not the country, let alone the nation.

France is on what, it’s tenth government of the last two centuries, but it’s always been France.

The first delusion of America is that the federal government is the country and nation. It isn’t.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

separating the government from the nation is going to be very hard for most Americans b/c it’s always been more or less one and the same

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

not necessarily disagreeing; IMO the US is somewhat unique in that it isn’t a 1:1 relationship between populace ethnicity and government.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

The problem is America is not one nation, but several. The government, disgusting as it is, is the only point of unification.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Moe Noname
3 years ago

Ha, my experience to a T! Now I feel like an emigrant to Mexico who is just trying to navigate being ruled by drug cartels.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

I feel for you. I left coastal CA 4 years ago, for that reason, among others. Good luck in your navigation.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Moe Noname
3 years ago

You should have sent your lost nephew your condolences. It would have been better if you had convinced him NOT to join the Israeli Foreign Legion.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Moe Noname
3 years ago

After another one of my lost nephews joined the Army, I was proud. That he finally got a job…

Question: Should we discourage the younger gens from enlisting in the U.S. military? Asking for a friend.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Tom K
3 years ago

Uhh…. YES!

Moe Noname
Moe Noname
Reply to  Tom K
3 years ago

I did not discourage him. He was flopping around, living in his (rich, Boomer) parents basement.
Pray for international peace and that he learns something.
The sad thing is, what are the odds the beautiful, blonde haired, blue-eyed lass he is dating will stick around? I am sure the camp follower who he knocks up and who milks him for 18 years (and 1/2 his pension) will be worth it.

Drake
Drake
3 years ago

It wasn’t his intention, but Trump managed to red-pill tens of millions of Americans. His fumbling attempts to restore some semblance of clean government forced the DC establishment to act against him openly and reveal themselves for all to see. Political discussions with like-minded people are dramatically different than they were 4 years ago.

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  Drake
3 years ago

I went to a 2A rally yesterday. Normie is thinking differently. No one is saying that we need to find the right guy for Congress in 2022. It was all about, do I send my kid to college? No one bought that Biden is a legally elected president.
But, they still love the “all colors all creeds, men women, gays and straights”….The idea, that America is this proposition, or idea, is very deeply ingrained…

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

Baby steps…

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

The mess in D.C. is garden variety election shenanigans, common as pea gravel in the Americas and not unknown in the US. What makes it weird is the 1860 feel to the whole thing and the emotional craziness on the part of the winners, the vast overreaction to civil disobedience. Questionable elections during a pandemic and economic crash were a volatile combination , Who could have known? Yes that was sarcasm Hell its so bonkers one the militia right bloggers N.C. Renegade got a visit from the FBI out. He’s not a war advocate but does have skills and is… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Drake
3 years ago

Judas goat or sacrificial lamb? Time to let go, and remember the good parts.

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Yak-15
Yak-15
3 years ago

The best part about being a burgeoning third world country is that we now understand how democracy works for most of the world. You don’t vote on issues or ideology, you vote for your team to benefit yourselves at expense of the others – regardless of the issues. In this system, the losers pay and the winners collect from the losers while the corrupt mainstream party plays the role of “House” and collects its tax. Likewise, in this system, losing is a very big deal because it directly affects the course of your life. Which is why you see people… Read more »

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  Yak-15
3 years ago

What happened in the 60s?

Yak-15
Yak-15
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

I wasn’t around then – I am from the Captain Planet, participation trophy generation. You tell me.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Yak-15
3 years ago

Democracy is a racial headcount.

whitney
Member
3 years ago

Yeah. We’re in for a difficult Road. But on a lighter note I’m watching The Lord of the Rings for the first time. I’m halfway through the trilogy and I cannot believe a movie that white was made in 2001. I don’t think there any black people in it except for Orcs. Orcs! Wow I can’t believe it hasn’t been banned

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  whitney
3 years ago

Orcs are the blacks….

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  whitney
3 years ago

They’re rectifying that ‘lack’ with new movies and tv adaptations. Just as with European history, any fiction/fantasy that is the product of a White mind based on White history or inventions has been blackened.
There was a Twitter storm earlier this year when some decided all the descriptions of Orcs were too reminiscent of noggers so Tolkien and all fantasy is rayciss. There is not one thing you love, not one pastime or corner of your life, that they will not twist and destroy. There really is no escape.

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

men’s tennis tour is the only thing that hasn’t gone full woke, but they make half-hearted gestures to it. And US Open two main stadia named after Arthur Ashe and Louis Armstrong. But what you expect from NYC….. The Indian Wells tournament (it’s been cancelled again unfortunately) was like living in 1950’s America lol. You could count the poc in attendance on one hand

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Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

In the new Dune movie they replaced Liet Kines character who is male with a black female. Which really screws up the entire movie and turn Leto II into a mulato.
AFAIK the new LOTR has been blackened and females get a bigger role as well.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Rwc1963
3 years ago

shame i won’t get to see any of that.

9 hours of LOTR isn’t enough?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  whitney
3 years ago

The unspoken secret to Game of Thrones’ record-setting global popularity: All White People

Ambitious opportunists might revile us, but we Elves are treasured, for good reason.

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  whitney
3 years ago

Great movies

I haven’t seen them in years but I bet they have held up well

One of Many Georges
One of Many Georges
3 years ago

Even though he’s an opportunist, it’s still infuriating that he didn’t even try to keep any of his election promises. It’s just a question of basic honesty and morality.

He said he’d do something about immigration, and we desperately needed something done, and he just didn’t do it.

Plus the thing of throwing his supporters under the bus. I don’t have to right-wing TDS of the wignats, but make no mistake, I have come to hate Trump. He let us down, bad.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  One of Many Georges
3 years ago

at least he should apologize for failing everyone, yet he still strolls around pretending he’s the god emperor.

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Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  sentry
3 years ago

…yet he still strolls around pretending he’s the god emperor.

Alright, that’s quite a strut for someone who pussed out so fast.

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  One of Many Georges
3 years ago

Note how he was full of encomia for Sheldon Adelson and not a word about Ashli Babbitt. That is more than just scummy.

Why do the Trumpists have such a hard time recognizing his history of prevarication, stiffing his creditors (particularly guys in the trades), and throwing his “friends,” loyalists, supporters, and toadies under the bus?

Gunner Q
Reply to  Liberty Mike
3 years ago

Babbitt is not the martyr we’re looking for. She was a D.C. insider then a frivorcing whore, then she got shot breaking & entering while protesters were being quietly allowed inside elsewhere.

I got questions about her behavior that’ll never get answered.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Gunner Q
3 years ago

When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.

Never look a gift horse in the mouth.

Need any more?

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  KGB
3 years ago

Nothing is too good for the man who shot Liberty Valance.

WJ0216
WJ0216
Reply to  KGB
3 years ago

Yes, she was an unarmed demonstrator murdered by a cop. That needs to be the official line. You don’t see the other side saying “well, George Floyd is not our perfect martyr. He was a convicted felon with a high amount of Fentanyl in his body”. The time of nuance is done.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  WJ0216
3 years ago

Bingo.

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  Gunner Q
3 years ago

She didn’t have to be shot. We could say the same thing about every pussy-hat wearer at Kavanaugh’s hearing. Its not even the point that a pussy hat would have been made into a saint by the media, its that the police would never have shot a pussy hat in the first place!

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Gunner Q
3 years ago

She can be wrong—but so can her killer. When her killer stands under inquiry, then let her actions and background be subject to the same scrutiny. Right now no effort in finding out the truth seems in the offing.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Liberty Mike
3 years ago

because it’s always the self same msm doing the reporting on those things.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Liberty Mike
3 years ago

Sheldon flew Jonathan Pollard to Israel on his private jet after lifting the travel restrictions on poor Mr. Pollard.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  One of Many Georges
3 years ago

He said he’d do something about immigration, and we desperately needed something done, and he just didn’t do it.” this is flat out wrong (or a deliberate lie on your part).

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

He was able to (temporarily) suppress refugee resettlement.
Deporting the Dreamers on day 1 would have been a far more effective message than the wall. The Dreamers were not even a creation of an Obama Executive Order.
Trump didn’t even issue an EO to challenge birth right citizenship like he boasted.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  skeptic16
3 years ago

Mandatory E-verify would have been great.

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

he did a lot for immigration. Better that every president in 30 years, no?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

yes. and the dreamers were kept here by dem judges.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

no one said trump wasn’t better than bush or obama, many who talk shit about trump did vote for him, that don’t mean he was a good president.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

You had to pick Bush-the-elder as your benchmark? The Immigration Act of 1990 doubled legal immigration. Created “chain migration,” “Temporary [ha!] Protected Status,” introduced the H1-B, OPT and other anti-US worker visas. You’re setting the bar pretty low.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

A delay, but not a lasting solution or repeal, so go punch a commie instead.

Last edited 3 years ago by Alzaebo
skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  One of Many Georges
3 years ago

There is still about 24 hours left as I write this. Trust the Plan!

B125
B125
Reply to  skeptic16
3 years ago

Trump is coming back in 2024 and the Patriots in the Intelligence Community are going to install him as God Emperor!

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  skeptic16
3 years ago

I am so not going to miss that stuff.

BTP
Member
Reply to  skeptic16
3 years ago

We all just need to trust harder, guys.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  BTP
3 years ago

I think its wait 48 hours right now since the usual Q people got to hear his very Trump concession speech.
No doubt the believers will keep up with the cult for a long time, I mean there are still two Millerite groups left with sizable membership after multiple abject failures but at least the amount will decline and maybe a certain Dark Lord will move on.

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CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  One of Many Georges
3 years ago

He didn’t even try to keep one of his promises… Perhaps you’d best study up on the issue before making such blanket statements. Trump did a masterful job of “building the wall” during his one term in office. And he never mislead people as to his stand on “general” (legal) immigration, which as a CivNat, he obviously promoted. He also did quite a good job barring “catch and release” at the Southern border and secured MX cooperation in doing so. I would note here that MX currently keeps several thousand *African* migrants from reaching the border—not just South Americans and… Read more »

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  CompscI
3 years ago

Unfortunately, his work on the wall started with the “big, beautiful door”.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  One of Many Georges
3 years ago

Not doing anything to stop the summer of looting is what lost me I know “civics is your friend” arguments that he didn’t have jurisdiction. Like that would have stopped anyone else? Like he couldn’t have been on TV every day pointing out how bad these Dems were for letting it happen? Guess he was always an East Coaster and what happened out West didn’t register. So he was never an “American” president but a regional president. Tho he did care a little for CA. But then his son ends up dumping the mother of his kids for Gavin Newsome’s… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
3 years ago

The primary achievements of Trump have been inadvertent. Many if not most people now know the Rule of Law is a sham, and they have no or very little say in their governance. Every institution of the government, even the cuck-loved military and police, is increasingly viewed harshly. Trump’s primary achievement, which in fact was intentional, was forcing propaganda organs not to hide they are propaganda organs. In the long run, this is the most important thing Trump did. It will take generations, which the United States does not have, to fool a majority of people with state-sponsored information again.… Read more »

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

Well put, I would also add awareness that all immigration must stop. This was not on my radar, but the fake news was, and that what initially attracted me to Trump: “Fake News”. But by focusing on illegal immigration, and his phrase, “if we don’t have borders, we don’t have a country” brought someone like me to ask, who are we as a nation? Are we a nation if 1 out of 9 people in my state are foreign born. i would not have come to see the immigration issue if it wasn’t for trump. And pro-life issues. He stopped… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
3 years ago

I want to share something with the Zcorps. Was watching some nature show on army ants in South America. they were swarming over an area of the jungle, and the camera man zoomed in on this one insect that was many times larger than an ant. at first it had no trouble dispatching ants by the dozen. but ants emit a chemical on attackers that causes the entire colony to attack that individual. and that is what happened, the big bug was over run and devoured.

good lesson there.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

So who, today, are the ants?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  KGB
3 years ago

the left, of course. hivemind and all.

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  KGB
3 years ago

75 million?

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

There are insects that infect the brain of another insect to care for the eggs they implant. When the eggs hatch, their first meal is the host. There is a book about this featuring several instances of parasitism and behavior control in the insect world. Wish I could remember the title. It fed off (pardon the pun) the zombie craze of about 10 years ago.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

Holy schmidt, the ants were pointing and screeching.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

I’m amazed enough by fungus

It makes itself itch your skin so you scratch at it and in turn spread it around to make it bigger and badder

pretty ingenious

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

ever get poison ivy on your hands? guess where you get it next? 😛

Falcone
Falcone
3 years ago

Any system that says George Floyd has just as much a right to determine what happens in my life as say a next door neighbor is preposterous on its face

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

on the nose. Seeing Ilmar Omar or whatever her name is, dancing at the state of the Union is a sign we live in a degenerate society. ALl those women.

That was moment when I realized, only women would do that. Only women , or blacks, would start dancing in Congress. White guys never would.
Yet, it was White guys that made it possible, so thats when I just say to myself, “Your’e just along for the ride, cracker, try to merit heaven by the Grace of God…”

B125
B125
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

They take pleasure in destroying what white men created. They can’t help themselves.

Just like a dog who will eat until it explodes of obesity, non-whites will drain away the lifeblood of white society until there’s nothing left and they starve.

It’s biological and if they were able to see future consequences, well, Somalia would be Wakanda and Ms. Omar wouldn’t be in Minnesota in the first place.

Wilbur Hassenfus
Wilbur Hassenfus
3 years ago

For the normies I know, the surreal official overreaction to the 1/6 protest has increased their faith in the system. That’s because they’re forced to choose between accepting the official version, or admitting that the official version is an insane, childish lie. This began to be evident with the Russia hoax: It’s less terrifying to pretend the President is a Russian spy than to admit that the entire Democrat/media complex is either psychotic, or a gang of pathological liars. Or both. Trump is a problem that can be solved, if he’s the only problem. That’s a far more comforting thought… Read more »

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
3 years ago

Z mentioned “the Big Lie” the other day. I have found that concept to be true in my experience.

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TomA
TomA
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
3 years ago

I use Bongino as my barometer of the normie state-of-mind. In yesterday’s podcast, he had real panic in his voice and was desperately trying to find a ray of hope somewhere. His big solution still involves voting harder (more cowbell) and now boycotting Google and Amazon. I don’t think some normies will wake up until they’re standing in the ashes of their illusions.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

I’m hearing the fear in his voice. He understands what’s happening.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

“Voting harder”

That just cracks up.

Normies are becoming comical

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
3 years ago

I’m told “cutting off the head of the snake” will make all the reasons we voted for him in the first place go away.

The Comfortably Screechy think he’s a personality cult. They understand nothing.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
3 years ago

She was not alone in thinking Trump was the savior…The trouble is, Trump was never that man. He could never be that man. He could never have won the nomination and the general election if he was that man. One of the troubles I had with the Trump crowd and the cult of Q, was their blind faith in Trump. They attributed to him qualities the man clearly did not have in the slightest. In these last months since the election these types are claiming that Trump is once again playing 4D chess, and like some Roman emperor, is sitting… Read more »

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TomA
TomA
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

Throwing rocks at Trump postmortem won’t keep the Jackboots at bay, and whining is not wisdom. The way forward is to see with clarity the real and present dangers that are coalescing in DC and then act accordingly. Being a couch potato or erudite debater is neither a survival strategy or competent problem solver. It’s time to man-up. Get smart, get fit, get ready.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

This post was in moderation for some reason.

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Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

Throwing rocks at Trump postmortem won’t keep the Jackboots at bay, and whining is not wisdom. I don’t think I’m throwing rocks at the man or whining. I’m trying to understand who the man really was. I’m trying to understand the circumstances before me, so that I can assess reality properly and act accordingly. The way forward is to see with clarity the real and present dangers that are coalescing in DC and then act accordingly. Again, I don’t think I’m insulting the man, I’m agreeing with Z’s general assessment in this very essay. It’s time to man-up. Get smart,… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

Sorry for the misconception. I wasn’t criticizing you or your comment directly. I was trying to make the important point that we no longer have the luxury of endless analysis and debate about how we got here. The Huns are at the gate and they are not going to be talked into a time-out while we get our act together.

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

I don’t know what it is about “getting fit.” What do people think they are going to be called on to do? Run a lot?
I think there are some practical things we should be doing. Staying reasonably in shape should be one of them, but hasn’t it always been?

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

…some practical things we should be doing. Staying reasonably in shape should be one of them, but hasn’t it always been?

I agree with you. But for the record, as a former track and field and soccer athlete, if all I’m called on to do during le Revolution is run alot, I’m set!

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

you might need to take a shot now and again, too 😛

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

i honestly believe about 90% of the population has 0 fitness. they would get winded if they had to stand up and go change the channel at the tv.
although it sounds dramatic, being able to hop over the back fence and run a couple of blocks, might come in handy one day.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

if you can do pull-ups and not got winded doing simple chores in the yard you are in good enough shape

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

You also want to minimize your contact with the sickness care system. Both from a cost and hazard avoidance perspective. That means sensible exercise, not triathlon training.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

Cardio is unbelievably important for any kind of fighting or any other activity where there is an adrenaline dump. People vastly overestimate their abilities because they fail to anticipate the effects of an adrenaline dump. I have personally witnessed a lot of street fights and you see the same thing over and over and over. A lot of guys are really effective for about 90 seconds. All of your abilities are heightened. You are stronger, faster, can see better and much faster reactions, though far less generalized. But then you lose your coordination, your arms get heavy and you lose… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Gobstopper
3 years ago

Rule # 1: Cardio

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

Wisdom comes from experience. Unless we want to waste energy and time we don’t have fixating on the next conman that grabs the spotlight there is value in examining the entire spectacle that was Trump. I think we can do that and prep for what’s coming too.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Peabody
3 years ago

I guess I could have written my comment in a more conciliatory manner. I didn’t mean to insult Trump or any flavor of his supporters, but I can see where I may have done just that. I’m just trying to be honest about who the man really was, and what his presidency actually accomplished. We can disagree about what Trump’s intentions were and argue about the level of effort he put into achieving this or that goal, but at the end of the day we need to understand where we are left after these last 4 years and what we… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Peabody
3 years ago

Given the current events in DC, I think it is wiser to prioritize immediate survival actions over recent history cogitation.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

I think you are underestimating the size of the enemy he was up against. It reminds me of the ending to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

or Charge of the Very Light Brigade

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

A point we frequently forget. Constant attacks.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

It could all be theater for the proles. Indulge yourself and go look at the historical political donations of the Trumps and the Kushners.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

Here’s something to comfort you. It is no longer about Trump. It probably never was. Let it go.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

Agreed. Trump is neither the problem nor the solution. That obligation and responsibility resides with each of us as everyday American citizens.

Gobstopper
Gobstopper
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

Trump was the funnest candidate to root for. I don’t see what’s wrong with rooting for the guy. I never though he was going to single-handedly change America to what I wanted.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

His supporters are sure he has some last trick up his sleeve to do something to save the country.

You inspired me to go check out Vox Day. Wow, he’s always been a bit odd, but he’s full-blown crazy now. It’s actually kind of sad. Indeed, Z might owe Vox an apology. A grifter wouldn’t act like this.

Of course, cult members never seem to leave the cult with the aliens fail to materialize, but this doesn’t seem the best way to run a con.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

yeah, VD is all in on the plan. of course, his usual MO is to deny he ever was for the plan (once it all blows up). he’s not really grifter as he has genuine businesses he makes money on. but he is a pathologically needy fellow…

A1@gmail.com
A1@gmail.com
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

Sorry but I am relatively new to all this – can some one explain Vox Day and the God Emperor nonsense?
I am sure that when Biden runs into issues they will blame Trump – this is standard operating procedure – until they can’t. This is called a honeymoon. But this notion that Trump is an evil genius is absurd. Bumbling fool is more like it.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

Yeah, grifter isn’t the right word. He has the book and comic book business, which, obviously, his blog help to promote and get customers, but he’s not running a con. And, yes, he does seem to have some emotional issues. That said, he introduced my to the phrase: They hate you and want you dead. It was a very clarifying moment. He’s also good about calling out gatekeepers, so he has his uses. But his talk of a secret coup just about to be sprung is really nuts. I’m sure that he’ll deny that he ever believed it, I’m not… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

i read his site which is more than i can say for the cuck sites like the boy reynolds runs.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

as he has genuine businesses he makes money on. but he is a pathologically needy fellow…
???
pretty sure he inherited his money from his daddy, yet he seems to hate boomers.
his tv podcast site was/is a disaster
his video game is laughable
i think he crowdfunds his own comic books
i’ve not read his books/don’t care to, so i can’t say whether they’re good or bad.
he’s a gifted cult leader though

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Vox is a late life Christian convert which makes him highly susceptible to “belief” related memes, leader following and ideas like Trust the Plan.
He wants, no, needs that hit of dopamine to recapture the magic.
The Q Anon crypto-puzzle B.S. also appeals to his high intelligence and known fondness for erudite stuff like Umberto Eco. Its feeds the ego, stimulates the mind.
Smart people can be quite vulnerable if you know how to play them.
Other than that vulnerability he’s a good and honest guy IMO with many good ideas not a grifter.

Bot Gay
Bot Gay
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Incoming Q Drop. Authentication Code: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Voice Dies. India Quebec Eight Niner. Washington September 14, 1936. Over. They speak in symbols I’m no semiotician specializing in occultic esotericism, but the Turner Classic Movies schedule for January 20th does tend to cause one to raise an eyebrow. Notice a certain pattern?6:00 AM Ode To Billy Joe (1976)8:00 AM Polo Joe (1936)9:30 AM The Fabulous Joe (1947)10:45 AM The Story of G. I. Joe (1945)12:45 PM Joe Smith, American (1942)2:00 PM A Guy Named Joe (1943)4:15 PM Pal Joey (1957)6:15 PM Mighty Joe Young (1949)8:00 PM Murder She Said (1961)9:45… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
3 years ago

And this is where you are flat out wrong, Z. There is nothing wrong with “the system”. The problem is the people running it. You forget: that system produced the most successful, prosperous nation in the history of mankind. The ideals it was founded on are as valid today as they were in 1776. Trump literally stood up to the swamp alone. I am a Trump fan, I’d hoped he’d have the courage to go all the way the same way the Alt-right did. Historically all kinds of good things start with one good man doing the right thing at… Read more »

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

Some people never learn.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Hun
3 years ago

On that we agree.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

systems change, evolve. what worked for grand dad won’t necessarily work for grand son.