The Projectionists

People often join mass movements as a way to replace their own hated identity with that of the group. They immerse themselves in the movement or cause, losing themselves in the identity of the group. Their sense of who they are gets blended with the cause so that they are one with it. It is why their life is quickly organized around the cause they are in at the moment. Not everyone does this, of course, but every mass movement has true believers, people who become one with it.

This is why the true believer reacts to all criticism of the movement as if it were a physical attack on their person. They treat all opposition to their cause as a violent threat, because from their perspective, it is an attack on their person. Once who they are is indistinguishable from the identity of the group, any criticism of the group becomes a threat to their very existence. It is why reasoning with a true believer makes them more belligerent and hostile.

Another consequence of this fusing of identities is that the true believer tends to project onto others the things he hates or fears about the group. Since the very nature of the true believer precludes self-examination, it also precludes a critical examination of the cause they have joined. For the same reason they look at criticism of the group as an attack on their person, they cannot criticize the group. Instead, they project these faults and fears onto some external entity.

A good example is this post from the neocon website the Bulwark. The neocons, of course, have been driven berserk by Trump and the rise of populism. They were sure their scaly tentacles were so tightly wrapped around the Republican Party that it was nothing more than their personal golem. Then Trump comes along and shatters that certainty by sweeping the primaries. Not only that, but he also pointed the finger at them as the reason for why things have gone wrong in America.

This is a good bit of evidence that whatever it was, neoconservatism had transformed into a weird political cult. The first generation had practical reasons for the transition from Trotskyists to Buckley conservatives. They saw that the American Left was getting cozy with the Soviet Union. It was not so much their flirtation with communism, but their friendliness with the ancient enemy in the East. The neocons dropped their own communism and became libertarian Cold War hawks.

The following generations, on the other hand, were not so clever. Bill Kristol, for example, has been wrong about everything for thirty years. He thought Dan Quayle would make a good second for Poppy Bush. He though Sarah Palin would make a good second for John McCain. Quayle and Palin were decent people trying to do the right thing, but their appeal to Kristol was that he believed he could outwit them, which meant they were not the sharpest tools in the toolshed.

Putting that aside, you really see the cult-like aspect in this post. It is pure projection of neoconservative defects onto their enemy. The post’s subhead says it all. “Claiming to love America while believing that it is broken and that many of your fellow citizens are your enemies.” These are people who spent the last six years claiming that Trump and his voters need to be exterminated on the grounds that they are evil. Bill Kristol wants to genocide the “lazy” white working class.

Later in the post we get this gem, “In his public addresses, President Biden has made a conscious effort to speak to all Americans. Donald Trump, by contrast, typically reverts to the language of us-versus-them…” This is the sort of thing you get from someone who is no longer engaged with reality. It is also the way a cult member projects the defects of his cult onto enemies. The hive-minded neocon is projecting the things he most despises about his cult onto the enemies of the cult.

The transformation of neoconservatism into this bizarre hyper-violent subculture raises an interesting set of questions. Was it always a blood-soaked political cult obsessed with bringing about the end times? On the other hand, is this what happens when a bespoke identity cult loses its primary purpose? After all, neoconservatism was built for the Cold War, so when that ended, their purpose ended. Like a hive who loses its queen, the remaining members of this cult buzz around in anger.

There is another angle here. The first generation of neoconservatives went through a period where they aggressively attacked their former host. It was as if they were trying to purge themselves of the old identity to make room for the new one. That could be what we are seeing here. The current neocons are shedding their old conservative skin in order to grow a neoliberal skin. This will allow them to attach themselves to what they think is the permanent new order in Washington.

Additional support for this the tone and language in their posts. Note that in the past they differentiated between “Trumpists” and conservatives. Increasingly they conflate the terms, using them as synonyms. Note also they are not trying to reconcile with their old allies in Conservative Inc. Instead, they have retreated into their own ghettos while they go through the transformation. The next chapter of neoconservatism will take place within the neoliberal order, they hope.

It is an interesting phenomenon to behold, if you can avoid being emotionally drawn in by their projection. Perhaps that is another reason that cults project their hatreds, fears, and insecurities onto others. It is a distraction. The endless feverish attacks on alleged enemies draw the eye away from what is happening in the cult. That old self-loathing, the desire for self-abnegation, at the root of the true believer, results in a group behavior that always seeks to distract from what is happening in the cult.


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Frip
Member
3 years ago

Citizen of Silly County: “Now, the Jew-cons might have an issue being accepted by the new guard of the Dems, but that’s going to be a problem all around for American Jews, not just for the neocon types.” Barnard: “Their sphere of influence is down to almost nothing…” Not every Neocon is Richard Pearl or Bill Kristol or old. Meaning, only a few neocons are rejected by the Left. After all, the Jewish intelligentsia still runs journalism. Far from losing their influence in barely-alive NR type outlets, they are welcomed with open arms to influential Left mags. Such as the… Read more »

Hun
Hun
3 years ago

, my comments are stuck in moderation. Please, could you have a look? Thanks!

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
3 years ago

Palin was the only good thing about that ticket.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  La-Z-Man
3 years ago

I couldn’t do it. I just could not bring myself to vote for McStain. I voted for Bob Barr.

Bilejones
Member
3 years ago

Meanwhile in the real (is there such a thing?) world.
This won’t get the attention it deserves

2.8 million more disabled than 6 months ago,
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2021/07/the-numbers-leak.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/voxpopoli+(Vox+Popoli)&m=1

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Bilejones
3 years ago

This guy has been spreading panic porn about airline flights cancelling due to “mysterious deaths” due to the vaccine.

Trust me, he’s either an idiot or a do-anything-for-clicks loser (or both)

He hasn’t the first idea what he’s pushing about airlines cancelling flights presumably due to pilot vaccination deaths; he’s so far from being right he’s not in the same galaxy, much less the same solar system.

Extrapolating, he doesn’t know the first thing about much else either.

“Trust the plan, the God-Emperor will save you!”

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

He makes about .25 great posts a day. Shame he posts about 10 times that much. Like all of us, he used to be better. The part of the flight cancellation thing that I understand is the part that’s fake, and maybe that’s the whole thing. I know that one airline is trying to make people who booked cheap flights back when nobody knew if corona restrictions were ever ending rebook on “new,” normal flights at normal prices. The passengers who call and bitch might get to keep their deals. The ones who rebook or don’t—free $$$. It’s probably industry-standard… Read more »

Hun
Hun
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Vox Day is a moron. He was on the Q train to the bitter end. Maybe still is, I don’t know… Apparently, Denninger, whom Vox quotes, is a moron too (or a liar). The chart he is talking about isn’t showing what he claims. It’s not showing 2.8 million more disabled people. What it is showing is the labor participation rate among disabled adults (16+ years olds). Plainly, it states that 19.6% of disabled adults worked in January 2021, while 21.3% of disabled adults worked in June 2021. That is all. Over long term, there is not much interesting in… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Hun
3 years ago

VD was never on the Q Train. What he said was that Q is more correct than the mainstream narrative. That Q was more than one person.

Yes, he was a plan truster.

Runs a comic book company: Arkhaven
A book company Castalia House
A social media company. Unauthorized TV and Social galactic.

Say what you will about some of the dumber stuff, like ‘plan trusting’ but VD is doing great work. We need new stories that cannot be blackfaced or turned into LGBT propaganda.

Nobody hits a home-run every swing.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

Why don’t you address the facts I pointed out in my comment? Both Vox and Denninger are either lying about the rise in the number of disabled or they are stupid and don’t understand what they are talking about.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

Apparently, De*****er or that other name is a banned word that puts my comments into moderation.

Anyway, please address the concerns in my comment, before kneejerking in defense of VD.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

The “I didn’t say it…someone ELSE said it, I just forwarded a link!” defense is a tiresome trick of the left. Lie down dogs, get up with fleas. VoxDay had a fun personal as a don’t GAF pickup artist wanna-be. His transition to “serious grown-up thought leader” never really took off; the incessant forwarding of Qanon. As to struggling airlines: Zman has alluded to how there would be consequences to shutting off a global economy like a light switch. The airline industry is a perfect example of this. For the airlines, currency and training requirements are extremely strict; without flying,… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

I never understood VD’s popularity until a few months ago, when I learned that he was one of the first D.Right bloggers. So I’m guessing people who should know better, still follow him simply out of habit. And defend him out of loyalty to the early days.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

I see that butthurt VDs fanboys are downvoting. None of them addressed his lying..

Hun
Hun
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

My comment is in moderation, because of a link to source.
So, just an excerpt for now:

Apparently, Denninger, whom Vox quotes, is a moron too (or a liar). The chart he is talking about isn’t showing what he claims. It’s not showing 2.8 million more disabled people. What it is showing is the labor participation rate among disabled adults (16+ years olds). Plainly, it states that 19.6% of disabled adults worked in January 2021, while 21.3% of disabled adults worked in June 2021. That is all.

James J O'Meara
James J O'Meara
3 years ago

“Was it always a blood-soaked political cult obsessed with bringing about the end times? On the other hand, is this what happens when a bespoke identity cult loses its primary purpose? ”

I can think of another Jewish cult that had its hope disappointed (crucified, in fact) and became a blood-soaked cult obsessed with bringing about the end times.”

Anonymous Fake
Anonymous Fake
Reply to  James J O'Meara
3 years ago

Christianity rejects millennarianism as a heresy (except Calvinist protestants but who cares what they think) and only God the Father knows the exact end of days but Judaism encourages “Tikkun Olam” to bring about the end times. It often brings about their end indeed, for what it’s worth. Rejecting the perfection of your own being to glorify God (rejecting the sacraments), and instead encouraging instead a mortification of oneself and a demonizing of nature, seems to channel spiritual energy instead towards fulfilling fantastic prophecies and attempting to help troll the messiah back to Earth because he somehow can’t do anything… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
3 years ago

At last, somebody explains the MLK cult of Conservative radio.

ArthurinCali
3 years ago

Conservative Inc. and its affiliates continue to prattle on as if conditions remain the same as they were during the Reagan Era. They fail to realize the situation resembles the meme of the man in the burning house, repeating to himself that everything is fine.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  ArthurinCali
3 years ago

Except the men in the house are we common whites and we’re listening to a voice on the Radio. They the voices on the radio are fine. We are the ones burning. We must accept we have no common cause with our purported leaders. They serve themselves, we are not their constituents or clients- we are a product- sheep that were shorn and are now to be mutton. We are leaderless, we have no team, we refuse any that could lead us, we mock or abandon all who strike on our behalf (anyone up for a riot for Kyle Rittenhouse?… Read more »

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  FeinGul
3 years ago

Fear not, the sleeping giant that is normie is about to awaken and kick some commie ass.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Judge Smails
3 years ago

“Fear not, the sleeping giant that is normie is about to awaken and kick some commie ass.” Funny.

Normie at all-you-can-eat salad bar watching Fox overhead. “Holy crap Hannity looks mad as hell. Hold my tongs honey it’s goin’ down!”

Prof Alfred Sharpton
Prof Alfred Sharpton
Reply to  FeinGul
3 years ago

For what it’s worth, my longtime Facebook account got permanently deleted last year because I posted so much in defense of Rittenhouse. Although I’ll admit I’m not mad I’m off that god forsaken website.

Shane Fulorgie
Shane Fulorgie
Reply to  FeinGul
3 years ago

An important thing to remember I think is that despite all of their bullshit, destructiveness, degenerate aspects of their culture (these aspects rather than the positive ones always being conveniently pushed by the bosses of the music/ other entertainment industries and political leaders), and our questionable cultural compatibility in general in the American context we still have much more in common with the general population of “POC”, people of color, in this country than with our current elites and political “leadership” group. One problem the real right often has in this country is focusing too much on the failings of… Read more »

Dave Bowman
Dave Bowman
3 years ago

This is why “Fat Pride” movements have always been a joke. Nobody wants the identity of being a disgusting blob. Now, you might not particularly mind that “identity” (more of a phase, in chemistry terms) but you’d surrender it in the blink of an eye if it were that simple. Anti-lard-o-phobia-proudists are actually militating for the exact opposite of what they say, i.e. compensatory ratcheting up of artificial shame blanketing their enemies among the mixed-mass others who have been (successfully) shaming them for being corpulent pigs. Incels were never a coherent movement, perhaps in backhanded tribute to the original incoherent/”entitled-to-change-her-mind”… Read more »

Chiquitastan got big Banana
Chiquitastan got big Banana
3 years ago

Are the Kristolians and RINO’s Long Marchers in the burn it all down plan or just lovable jobbers (wrestling term for someone who is in it for the pay only and not to win), my bet is on Long March.
Utopia is banished and the malignant stain thought up by comrade Karl Marx is all about nation destroying while fooling clueless useless idiots about some statist paradise just around the bend.

RoofTopBlueCommunionSuit
RoofTopBlueCommunionSuit
3 years ago

Ref Andy Kim, NJ Blue Suited hero..

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndyKimNJ/status/1412399056090021889

Hi, this is his BlueCommunionSuit.

This is all fraud, he had Mexicans clean up and then he sent me to the Dry Cleaning cousins and Quadruple billed the Taxpayers.

The Truth is he never liked me, and hasn’t worn me since Communion.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  RoofTopBlueCommunionSuit
3 years ago

AOC Donates Casket She Was Buried In After Being Killed On January 6th To Smithsonian

– Per Babylon Bee.

The only religion I still have use for being the Babylon Bee.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  RoofTopBlueCommunionSuit
3 years ago

what happened to the people in congress? Dick Gephardt or Tom Foley wouldn’t have acted like this.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
3 years ago

Unrelated, but speaking to another twisted cult, engendered by the same Spirit that lords over the Neocons: “…cults project their hatreds, fears, and insecurities…”

A pink and blue fringe is included in the Pride flag as symbolic of the inclusion of the T, trannys.

Fookin’ right they want your babies.

It’s buried so deep they dare not admit it to themselves- yet, it is the only way they can reproduce, (procuring new vessels for their Lord.)

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

All colors blended together = WHITE.

The republicans should adopt this as their flag and call it “inclusive”.

(It’s also the universal symbol of “surrender”, so it really fits the R party nicely)

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FeinGul
FeinGul
3 years ago

What happens when and I suppose If the Kristolism, having already seen Antifa Antiwhite Kristol-nacht in 2020 moves beyond to the next logical steps in the playbook?

For there is nothing in their way…

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
3 years ago

The Neocons will probably lose out, but if they’re clever enough there is “shelf space” available for them inside the Democrat Party. Where? Militant Globalism!

Big Tech and Corporations wanting to bust some heads abroad may find these jokers pretty useful. But they will struggle to adapt and play nice.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 years ago

The eye of militant globalization openly gazes at us…

Oh there’s room for the bloodkin of Yagoda here…

They are in fact auditioning for the job. Its far from an idle proposition.

Shane Fulorgie
Shane Fulorgie
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 years ago

I think they will be accepted pretty quickly by most of the neoliberal establishment/ true believers simply by adopting and espousing some of the “right positions” and expressing a “healthy” amount of vitriolic disdain and hate for some of the right bad guys.

Dirtnapninja
Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

Alot of this is explained by the striver/deplorable dynamic. Elites create the values. Strivers accept the values in the hopes of joining the elite. Deplorables reject or are rejected by the elite values. Neo-cons are the free market side of the striver caste. The thing about strivers, esp white strivers is that their identity is lightly wound up in their status. And a big part of that is sense of superiority to the Deplorables. The biggest fear of the striver is losing status, and thus they cannot bear to be mistaken for Deplorables. The neocons hates Trump because Trump’s followers… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

“Neo-cons are the free market side of the striver caste.”

War is a business.
Neocon parasites use neo-libertarianism to claim that government must be hands off of, few limits to, government subsidized or sponsored business, such as Mockingbird media, multinational corporate charters, university research, or military contracts.

But, our original government’s job was to protect our people, the citizen’s, rights and freedoms from all threats- including those from “private companies”.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

this is why I never liked Elizabeth Warren. It wasnt that she was an elite law school professor. That misses the point. It’s that she’s nowhere near as smart as other ivy leaguelaw professsors and seems to be a striver. Same with Katie Porter who also seems like an obnoxios midwit.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

True. This is why I think the covid scam broke many of the former normie strivers from their progressive trough. Suddenly they were non-essential like us dirt people. Their employment, while mostly intact, still demanded of them a level of submission and compliance normally reserved for the lower castes. Their precious striver spawn in the special school with highly papered teachers were sent home alongside the dirt kids and pocs to be minded (gasp!) by them! They felt betrayed. It is also why the new normal is becoming the normal normal. They are striving harder now. Moving to dirt states.… Read more »

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Screwtape
3 years ago

I have a small sample of people I am watching digest this special year. Keep us updated on the psychological states of the folks in your sampling. Because I have long since walked away from all Elitist and even Normie acquaintances, and I only ever talk to muh fellow Dirt Peeps anymoar. The thought of socializing with a Normie, and especially the thought of attempting to socialize with an Elitist, puts very very very bad thoughts in muh mind. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=blue+diamond+the+gift+blanchett+ribisi [j00tube won’t let you see it, but if you move your mouse pointer over the bing search result, then you… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
3 years ago

Neoconservatism never got anywhere on its own two feet. They were always defended and promoted by the (((mass media))). They relied on top down Walter Cronkites telling us (((the way it is))). The media is now a bottom up world where bubble heads on TV read tweets. Where anyone can have a blog. Where information has been democratized. I thought they liked democracy. The doors of their hothouse are flung open, leaving a chill in the air. They’re trying to retreat into the Democratic Party, which retains both the mass media, what’s left of it, and the power institutions themselves,… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

This is brilliant. Like ((they)) used to say about the Palestinians, the Neocons “never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity”. In the end, they will lose out for the reasons you, Zman and Dirtnapninja point out.

But the essence of it is pure ideology; it’s never about real-life results. Guys like us would get fired for the same results Neocons have produced since 9/11. These jokers prattle on while the Taliban loot Bagram Air Base….you just can’t make this crap up….they learn absolutely nothing.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 years ago

Absolutely true.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 years ago

They learned we will let them get away with anything, because we do nothing but snark.

You can’t make this stuff up and yet it is the truth. Stalin and Mao would have never dared toy with the masses this way.

TomA
TomA
3 years ago

At the root, a true-believer is a human parasite who possesses strong feelings of guilt about being a useless & ultimately harmful freeloader. This sense of guilt will be persistently painful & debilitating if it is not masked by some form of psychic suppression; which is usually alcoholism or illicit drug addiction, but can also be achieved through manufactured faux fear. As described in today’s post, true-believers often delude themselves with a sense existential dread by conjuring up an enemy-at-the-gates as part of their daily routine. They care not about the specifics of the cause they have adopted, only that… Read more »

Bill
Bill
3 years ago

Or could it be that it’s the feelings that matter? The emotions of belonging; regardless of what it is you belong to? That the point of it all is feeling the emotions— of membership in an in-group, of superiority, of us-against-them, of disdain for your enemies and fear of what it would be like if they were in charge, of the camaraderie of agreement— and that the particulars (of what you stand for and who you stand against) are only secondary? Could it be that the disingenuousness and contradiction of switching sides is lost in the exhilaration of once again… Read more »

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Bill
3 years ago

The post modern era is dying of a lack of belonging, It turns out people need to belong of they go mad and die. No tribe no future,

Post Modernity is nihilistic and wants interchangeable consumers.

And paraphrase the Big Lebowski “Say what you want about Woke, at least it an ethos.”

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Bill
3 years ago

TomA: true-believer Bill: could it be that it’s the feelings that matter Again, this is the moast important scientific paper since Watson & Crick: Red Brain, Blue Brain: Evaluative Processes Differ in Democrats and Republicans https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0052970 February 13, 2013 “Democrats showed significantly greater activity in the left insula, while Republicans showed significantly greater activity in the right amygdala.” If the paper is correct & true, then the Insula is the source of delusion & fantasy & mesmeriz-a-bility & brainwash-a-bility & True Belief & the passionate Muh Feelz that fuel True Belief. Which in turn means the Insula was the existential… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Pardon my lack of knowledge on the neocons, but weren’t/aren’t they a combination of libertarian-ish white goy chicken hawks like Cheney and Jews just doing what Jews do, which is hate Russia, work for Israel and push Jewish interests in the state? If so, then I can definitely see how the goy contingent lost its purpose after the Cold War, but I don’t see why Jewish neocons would have an identity crisis nor why they wouldn’t be accepted with open arms by the old guard of the Democratic Party, such as Biden, Schumer and Pelosi. Now, the Jew-cons might have… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

People like Kristol and the other Jewish neocons don’t have much to offer the old guard Democrats other than their personal votes. Their sphere of influence is down to almost nothing outside a small group of aging suckers they have been grifting to keep up their lifestyle. I would imagine there is at least some acrimony left over from the Bush years between the two groups also. Plus the old guard is desperate to hold off the rising multicultural tide trying to take power from them within the party. These people hate the neocons, so it gives them another incentive… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Barnard
3 years ago

With White Cold War almost over (we lost), the next big fight will be between the Jew/Puritan faction and the POC. The Jew/Puritan faction has the money, the organization and a good amount of voters. The POC contingent has their team’s morality and a lot of votes. (The Indians are also starting to create their own money and organization.) Who get to rule? Hard to say. I’ve been surprised how the Jew/Puritans have managed to hold power on the Left. Even California has had white governors and until recently Jewish senators. But eventually, the Jew/Puritans will need to give up… Read more »

Dirtnapninja
Dirtnapninja
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

The SubCons will succeed the Jews. They will play the “follow POC” card. They arent as cohesive or as smart as the old Jewish elite was though, and i dont think they can hold together the POX coalition.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

I live in Northern Virginia. We have a lot of SubCons. They’re basically low-rent Jews, not as smart, not as smooth, not as cohesive, but close enough. And they’re hungry, far hungrier than the local Jews, who are rich and often times, only half Jewish anyway, i.e. their sociopath genepool is getting watered down. The rules don’t me shit to SubCons. Just make money. Buy things. Buy businesses. Work the system. Whatever. They’re going to give Jews a run for their money – literally. The problem for the SubCons is that no other group likes them and they can’t pretend… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

India’s tyrant, Modi, had the same solution for dealing with Covid that the Communist Chinese did: close the stores, lock people in their homes, and let them starve to death.

By the millions. Yup, that’s why they had so few “covid deaths”- so at least we have that to look forward to under President Haley.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

the thing about the subcons is that if you want them in power – you need subcon men. Subcon women seem downright psychopathic (Vanita Gupta, Neera Tanden)

Dave Bowman
Dave Bowman
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

The NY Times ran a story over the weekend about the (frankly amazing) SubCon dominance of spelling bees, insofar as these are prestigious and not completely destroyed by plandemic and/or lack of interest in proper spelling. If that is the kind of thing they are naturally drawn to focus on, I am hard pressed to believe they will take over anything… All the Bengal-tiger-mothering may wind up creating a new generation of SubAntifa though

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
3 years ago

More’s the pity, as (some) of the races native to India are, technically, Caucasian 🙂

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

One of the funniest aspects of the whole Neocon meltdown is that the younger Neocons were the ones most hysterically against Trump, and are also the ones most likely to shriek “Anti-Semitism!” when they are the Jews who are least likely to have ever experienced any. The older generation of 60’s-70’s Neocons, some of whom are still around, never really felt it. Sure, a few of them made pro forma anti-Trump pronouncements, but you could tell that they didn’t really get it. Say what you will, the earlier generation of Neocons were serious people, as much as you might disagree… Read more »

Joe H
Joe H
Reply to  Altitude Zero
3 years ago

Norman and his wife Gertrude Himmelfarb actually supported Trump, which was mildly surprising to me, even though they have always been obviously superior to their son, John.

B125
B125
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Nobody likes indians. Not blacks, not east asians, not hispanics. Whites still pretend to be colorblind but don’t like them either. Even indians don’t like each other, especially from different castes/religions/ethnicities. I don’t see indians being able to run anything, except either as functionaries in a white/Jewish society, or their own narrow ethnic enclaves. It’s one thing to have a (((white))) governor issuing gun confiscation bills, but imagine if a greasy indian governor declared all guns illegal. The indian trick is to fool normie white conservatives with the “hello fellow conservative, I have conservative values too”. See Nikki Randhawa. Happening… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Much credit to our host for slyly pointing out the Trotskyite origin of our flag-waving neocons.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Yes, what I’ve seen is the Neocons reaching out to the Israel lobby. Israel wants their American golem to fight their wars and the Neocons want to fight ANY war, so it’s a more natural marriage than swimming Left.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Gunner Q
3 years ago

“Reaching out” is the most sanitized way to put it. Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and Paul Wolfowitz cooked up the fake WMD evidence, the fake “high tech caves in Tora Bora” and the lies about anthrax (which turned out to be from a US lab.) Thousands of US troops were killed and tens of thousands maimed because of those lying liars.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
3 years ago

Definitely a realignment going on. Bunker mentality taking hold of Dems. Joe hiding in his basement wasn’t just a joke. Populists moving into GOP. That’s chafing the pure nationalists.

Others have said Dems are toast, and GOP will split to fill the void. I think that’s right, but the dinosaurs are rich. They’re abandoning the state in favor of corporate power, so they must be aware of what’s happening. The crackdown is a rear guard action methinks. Just needs to be endured for a short time.

Where’s Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 years ago

TR would be an unpredictable live wire if he was alive today, but I would love to see what he would do to Silicon Valley and the banks.

Severian
3 years ago

If if helps, there’s a way to take politics out of the analysis. I had a buddy who really got into running marathons. I say “really got into,” but that’s redundant — you pretty much have to go all in to even think about running one. Soon that was his entire life. We’re no longer friends, because all he could talk about was running. We couldn’t do anything that might interfere with his training, which was basically everything normal humans do. Soon the only friends he had were fellow runners. He met his wife at a marathon; they got married… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Cycling. All the cardio and more. You can torture yourself on a bike all you want. And it’s easy on the joints.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 years ago

The crotch though…

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
3 years ago

My experience: sore (perineum) for a couple of weeks, then my body got used to it. (Gonads) unaffected. Wears out the gym shorts and boxers, though. Damned if I wear tights 🙂

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
3 years ago

A good seat and padded shorts. I am 57 and do 8 hilly miles a day (which is nothing on a bike), and have never had a problem. It’s the only cardio I can enjoy.

Severian
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 years ago

That’s the point though – he’s not doing it for the cardio. He’s doing it because that’s his *identity.* “Marathon runner” is *who he is.* If he can’t run marathons, his entire world collapses.

That’s the political cultist’s problem. It’s why they’re desperately pushing Covid “variants,” and why, if the vax side effects are half as bad and prevalent as they seem to be, there’s going to be a major problem *for the government*, just to use one example…

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Yep. Where I live there are identity cultists hives around multiple adventury outdoors pursuits. Kayak, climb, triathlon, cycle, mountain bike, yoga, etc. its a constant consumption of selfies, go pro vidyas, apple watch stats, branded gear affiliations, and hookup sex swinging. Extremism is boring. Like addicts of any kind. Boring. The “healthy” lifestyle can mask a great deal of defects. Having done tours of duty among many of these cults it is very similar to the politik of progress. The holiness spirals, purity and commitment tests, and all encompassing “world view”. Everything is political a la “I am an ultra-marathoner”.… Read more »

Winthorp3rd
Winthorp3rd
Reply to  Screwtape
3 years ago

There’s solid medical evidence that excessive cardio (marathoning, bicycling) over time remodels the heart, leading to arrhythmia and, in some cases, sudden death. I see/know a bunch of running/cycling cultists, guys in their mid-50s, with disordered personalities who appear depleted and broken—poor posture and range of motion, bad skin and hair, skeletal frame evidencing loss of bone and muscle mass, etc.—yet they’re fully committed and out every day trying to escape death.

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

If he didn’t love it, he sounds like the sort who will find something else to glom onto. They’re survivors if nothing else.

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 years ago

Real men lift weights. Biking two days a week is sufficient. Neglect your upper body muscles at your own peril. If you’re over 65, take testosterone replacement therapy to preserve muscle mass. Do not go gently into that good night.

B125
B125
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Endurance athletes always look unhealthy, almost like they have AIDS. A little cardio is fine, but nothing too extreme.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

I agree, a body needs some balance. And some R & R. No worries about looking like an AIDS patient here lol.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Your friend’s story contains a moral. Consider my case. I really am to some extent, a layabout. I have enjoyed a decent life. I never lacked for anything. It’s true I never had a lot of ambition. Part of that is my psychology, of course. Why work hard for something if you’ve already got what you think is adequate? But more to the point: why take risks, including to your physical health, that are unnecessary? Today’s superstar athlete is tomorrow’s barely-functional man with chronic health issues. As is your ex-runner friend has found too. I’m in my declining years, but… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

The reality is it does not require very much to keep your factory equipment running. Think a couple days a week of barbell lifting and pilates and a walk every day is all you need physically.

Nutrition is far more important, and is also far more difficult in this age.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Chet Rollins
3 years ago

I agree. Moderation in everything. Even nutrition, beyond just moderation, is limited in effect. Your genes account for 80%+ of your health.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Chet Rollins
3 years ago

Thank gosh cofee and tobacco are Nature’s finest supplements.

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

That makes two of us on a number of fronts: declining years, quite content with my financial/economic situation and perhaps most important, for the past 23 years, I’ve owned my time and own it still. God willing and the creek don’t rise, I’ll have completed 75 years in under two weeks with “factory original equipment” still in good condition, although I may learn this afternoon that I have arthrosis in one knee. Drag if true, but there are worse fates.

JohnWayne
JohnWayne
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

Sounds like you enjoy a life of the mind, as do i. 45 minute daily walk, 30 minute HIIT workout, 3 times a week. Fit as a fiddle. No aches, no pains.

Life of the mind. Is good. Sit on the bank and watch the river flow. But pay some attention to the other 95% of the body or else mind goes soft.

Hi- Ya!
Hi- Ya!
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

I did a half marathon and that was it. my whole body hurt.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

“What’s going to happen to him?”

Either new knees or he’ll transition to competitive swimming, which is much easier on the joints. He’ll be fine.

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Swimming in summer, xcountry skiing in winter. Both easy on the joints and they don’t mess with the genitals like cycling does.

Astralturf
Astralturf
3 years ago

If the neocons give up conservatism what will the other Jews in con inc do? Will Dennis Praeger and Ben Shapiro stay behind to continue managing the plantation or will those sorts try to wrangle their chattel toward a firmly neoliberal position? Will Jewish money dry up in right wing politics?

No, I doubt it. It will be interesting to see how the dynamics change.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Astralturf
3 years ago

Jews won’t abandon the GOP because they want to hedge all bets. But, yeah, a populist GOP will be of far less use to Jews than a Conservative Inc. GOP, so it would get less money.

Also, the GOP will soon become a permanent minority party so its usefulness will be limited anyway. But it’ll still have some utility and Jews have plenty of money so the GOP will continue to get (and need) the tribe’s dollars. Probably something similar will happen with Chinese money as well.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Even were the GOP to vanish today, and the Democrats were the only remaining party, that doesn’t prevent schisms and fights therein. Witness the curious New York City mayoral primaries. Eric Adams, a Black ex-cop, just won the Dem nomination, which I suppose means he’s all but guaranteed to win the November election. I know nothing else of the man, and wish him luck. Just the qualifier “ex-cop” gives him a lot of qualification to rule an unruly, dangerous city. As one of my now-long-dead older friends said of DC politics: “Every white liberal’s nightmare: a competent Black.” 🙂

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

There certainly must be competent “Blacks”, but where in the public sphere? Perhaps I’ve just turned off to all things “colored”, but I fail to bring even one to memory. Even for me, this seems highly unlikely. Could it be the competent ones shun the public, political limelight?

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

Compsci, with all the affirmative action and diversity agendas, it’s impossible to know if even the ones who seem competent are just verbally intelligent.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

It’s all good, Adams is as CRT a Dem as they come.
Shade of Dinkins.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Even if they get a Black DeBlasio who cracks down on crime somewhat, it would seem a big win for NYC. If he has any integrity (rare, I know), he could go far. Just being a Melanic Hominid™ helps one go far in politics. Allow me to revise my late friend’s quip: Every white liberal’s worst nightmare: a competent, conservative Black!

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

“Also, the GOP will soon become a permanent minority party so its usefulness will be limited anyway.” That’s very likely true at the national level, where the GOP doesn’t have a good answer to ballot fixing. But at the House/Senate level, it’s harder to maintain a majority through cheating. I can see some percent of Hispanics turning against a blackety-black Dem party, if the GOP continues on the populist/working-class path. That feels too white pill, so I will add that we are still headed to a nicer version of Brazil, with enough whites to keep the lights on.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

the problem for the dems is that all the demo changes are happening in already blue states. If WI, GA and AZ narrowly go R but dems win a million more votes in CA, it creates a situation where you win by 5 but lose the EC. I kind of wonder if that creates an 1876 type bargain (age limits for the SC maybe?)

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
3 years ago

Hmmmmmmm. Joshua Tate almost reads as an odd, inverted Anti-Z Man. Like you, he seems to focus on conservative identity and dogma. In his eyes, we are the cult creatures. He needs a name for us… so we wear the Trumpist label…even though half the dissidents despise Trump. It’s an interesting read. It is my contention that there are two kinds of human stupidity. There is the innocent stupidity we all have – we don’t know what we don’t know. It’s forgivable for the most part. Then there is the deliberate, willful pig ignorance of the zealot or the partisan… Read more »

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

“There is the innocent stupidity we all have – we don’t know what we don’t know.”

Sorry for hair-splitting, but you’re describing ignorance. Stupidity is more along the lines of inability to learn and lack of interest in doing so.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Montefrío
3 years ago

Agreed. I’d add in Mark Twain’s observation (paraphrased) “The problem isn’t so much what one doesn’t know, it’s what you think you know, but is actually wrong.”

This could be restated as:
It is more assuredly NOT true that what you don’t know won’t hurt you. Ignorance can cause loss.
But what you “know that ain’t so”, as Twain puts it, will probably lead to far worse disasters, because your premises are false at the outset, rather than merely unknowns.

usNthem
usNthem
3 years ago

Do the (((neocons))), furiously shedding their skins really think they’ll be able to slither in, undetected by the current neoliberal order? While they’ve surely been outed as anything but “conservative”, will their parsel (sp) tongue truly be accepted by the hive? If so, I suppose it’ll make it easier to eradicate the whole group in one fell swoop – when the time comes.

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  usNthem
3 years ago

Did a bunch of literal communists get accepted as conservatives overnight? Well there’s your answer!

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Astralturf
3 years ago

Still baffling how a bunch of Trotskyites got elevated to being the voice of a generation of conservatives and people just accepted it.

Looking back, the only one I can think of whose writing stands the test of time is Burnham, and he might have just been a fluke.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Chet Rollins
3 years ago

Familiar story. Eastern establishment GOP was being eclipsed by relatively populist “Western conservatism” (Goldwater, Reaganites, the not yet coopted libertarians, “women in tennis shoes,” etc.) and defended itself by bringing in mercenary immigrants who shared its hatreds.

Remember when “women in tennis shoes”—Orange County housewives who in their new kitchen-machinery-assisted boredom became activist Republicans—were the domestic terrorists Buckley and Kristol were protecting us from? Good times. Palin was the last echo of that archetype, not the first Trumpist.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Astralturf
3 years ago

And the conservatives always get wet when one from the other side starts mouthing “conservative” platitudes. Especially magical negros such as Candice Owens, Allen West, Tim Scott etc. The leftards aren’t typically so easily duped.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  usNthem
3 years ago

Kristol isn’t being welcomed into the left with open arms. Some of the old guard might be friendly with them, but the people on the ascent are going to hate them as much as they always did. The neocons are attracting no young followers, eventually the movement will completely die out once this boomer generation of them does.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Barnard
3 years ago

Yes the bootstrapping freemarket cultists of the neocon boomer generation will likely come to find much in common with their millennial spawn. Just not how either envisioned it. Boomercons mistakenly believe they can throw their heritage under the bus of progress incrementally and in the end they will have a place at the table because economics. Millennials have no such delusions for their economics are transitory, the pesky binds of a future or a past or progeny don’t exist beyond the latest conspicuous product to be consumed. For them their heritage is a sin already cast into the mold of… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Screwtape
3 years ago

If and when times get really dicey, I suspect that those former White Urban Liberals, those who’ve survived such a violent disabusing by the non-Whites they viewed as allies, will make good, er, um, “expeditionary forces” in a future conflict.😎

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

Rod Serling’s “To Serve Man” comes to mind.

Often said they think they will be eaten last. I think they are far more arrogant. They think they will always be voted a seat on the cloud council.

Its “good white” after all. Not “better than other whites”. The moral high ground is obscured by the cloud. The view down to badwhite is clear but the view to the next peak not so much

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
Reply to  Screwtape
3 years ago

I’m a boomer who never inherited a penny.

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
Reply to  Barnard
3 years ago

I’ve heard Kristol gives a world-class blowjob, so maybe the ascendent left will make some accommodation with him. Plus, he brings his beard with him to service the few hetero leftists.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
3 years ago

“The current neocons are shedding their old conservative skin in order to grow a neoliberal skin.” Indeed. Seeing that these people always seemed to want leftism/wokeism/whatever-we-are-calling-it just a tad slower than actual leftists, this is natural to them. “Hmm”, they ponder, “I see reticulated pythons are going out of fashion now, perhaps I can use this as an opportunity to bring myself closer to my dream of becoming a king cobra.” and thusly they shed the python skin and move into that of a rattlesnake. Who knows when it’s time to move on from the rattler… but it’s what they… Read more »

My Comment
Member
3 years ago

“Was it always a blood-soaked political cult?”

Yes. As Ron Unz pointed out, the tribe were per capita the greatest mass murderers of the 20th century but through the magic of Hollywood they convinced people that they were the greatest victims.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  My Comment
3 years ago

And they are auditioning to do the blood letting here is 🇺🇸, to be the Bulwark against us.

And they will, for there is nothing in their way.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
3 years ago

From the Washington Times article, quoted from the pasty, soft Kristol: “I don’t even see how you can talk yourself into thinking that an awful big influx of immigrants into southern Arizona and Texas and Southern California and pockets in North Carolina and other places really ruined your life,” Hmm… I wonder where Kristol lives? I wonder if Kristol has ever walked through a very, ahem, diverse, neighbourhood that used to be white and respectable. Hell, even white and a bit rough. Feeling like an alien? Check. Different smells and sounds? Check. Neighbours far louder? Check. Local politicians all far… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  OrangeFrog
3 years ago

That’s why I support the Open Borders for Israel movement.

It is frighteningly pale, way too Jewish, and desperately needs some enrichment.

I’m sure a good natured advocate for diversity like Mr. Kristol will be all for it.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Why yes! And they have so many sand countries at their borders, they’d never be short of applicants.

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  OrangeFrog
3 years ago

I believe the theory that Jews instinctually feel uneasy in a homogeneous society, especially one that’s white. It’s a genetic survival strategy to undermine the social cohesion of the host by throwing open the gates which then gives them an improved set of dynamics in which to practice parasitism and employ their tricks. There are lots of reasons they don’t like healthy white societies. Sure, they hate whites and fear them but they also seem to hate wholesomeness and cleanliness. Anyone who has spent time in middle or “working” (that term has a different meaning for Jews) class Jewish community… Read more »

gotit
gotit
Reply to  Astralturf
3 years ago

Crazy talk. I intermarried into a very snobby WASP family and I could not possibly be happier. Especially when I enjoy amenities at certain country clubs which a perfect vision of the nation as the Founders intended. Let WASP racial purity continue forever.

Alex
Alex
Reply to  gotit
3 years ago

“Don’t tell them you’re Jewish, Wang, I think this club’s restricted…”

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  gotit
3 years ago

This is how Woody Allen envisions your home life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8TSvMx2wPI

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  gotit
3 years ago

Shnook. They were pissed because elite Jewish golf clubs wouldn’t let the Brooklyn Red Diapers in, knowing them for what they were.

No WASP Republican clubs were involved, but rewriting history is what the Radical Judah faction does, seeking first to lift their tribe as First among the Tribe(s).

That, by the way, is what the White tribes did, and are supposed to do. Leave others to their own squabbles.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

(Oops- edit for clarity:

I mean each people are to contend to be First amongst their own as nature’s forge, not rewrite the history of it.)

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  OrangeFrog
3 years ago

One of the inflection points in my racial awakening was going to a convenience store outside of the Bay Area in which I was the only person who spoke English. Everyone else glared at the only white person in the store.

You feel that on a visceral level.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

Zman refers to this as “a tax”, which it is. Instead of going into a store and buying a few items, you wind up standing in line as: An elderly Chinese couple argue for expired coupon discounts with an Indian cashier, The black lady behind the counter won’t take cash because she doesn’t want to ruin her nails, The one frazzled white guy “manager” is trying to do everything can’t do the one thing needed (hire/fire employees), but can’t because he’s the only one authorized to, Accept the cash from all the Mexicans who are using Transunion to send remittances… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

never been sure why so many YT’s bust their ass to keep things running when foreigners with low mental capacity are all around them. i’ve mentioned before how I do not ever help a vibrant with anything at work.

anyways, these examples are a small tax. a worse tax is being unable to go buy a soda because cartel thugs have taken over the 7-11.

we all pay the tax, sometimes it’s a small payment, sometimes it’s a large payment. over time it adds up.