The Show Goes On

One of the weird aspects of liberal democracy is that the state takes every opportunity to celebrate itself. Every public event has rituals before the event where members of the state are marched out to be cheered by the crowd. Sporting events have a weird North Korean vibe to them. July 4th has always been a chance for the office holders to celebrate themselves. This year, the F.B.I. decided to hold a parade in the city of Philadelphia to let us know they are always on the job.

Patriot Front is the latest carnival act to get a chance to perform on the big stage of democracy, at the direction of the usual suspects. They are based in Texas, but decided to hold a parade in Philadelphia over the long weekend. Allegedly, they got a permit from the city, but their event looked ad hoc. They showed up, danced around just long enough to get media attention and a reaction from locals. Then they got back in their vehicles and headed for parts unknown.

Some will no doubt say it is unfair to assume these guys are just another honeypot cooked up by the secret police, but that is the way to bet these days. The Oath Keepers are looking like they were created by the secret police a decade ago. This exhaustive deep dive by Darren Beatty into the origins of the group and the dodgy nature of the founder should cause everyone to rethink the authenticity of these groups. The best you can say about any of them is they are led by unstable people.

The Oath Keepers are not an outlier. The Proud Boys, which was started by Gavin McInnes, went from goofy fan club to paramilitary operation. Instead of drinking beer and celebrating western chauvinism, they were rolling around in the dirt with Antifa and other state-sponsored extremist groups. It turns out that the guy who took over the group was a “serial informer” for the secret police. This is  pattern with these groups that goes back a very long way. It is the default position.

The essential tool of all secret police operations is to use unstable informers to infiltrate the target group. The reason this works is outsider politics tends to attract people just looking for a home, many of whom are unstable. Go to a Libertarian Party event and it feels like the day room of a local insane asylum. One of the results is people organizing outside the system will encounter a lot of crazies. They get used to seeing them, so the one that is actually an informer slips through.

A good example of how this works is the Bolsheviks. A fellow named Roman Malinovsky was a prominent Bolshevik before the revolution. He was also an agent of the Okhrana, the Tsarist secret police. He was able to become close friends with Lenin and Stalin, two highly paranoid and suspicious men. Malinovsky even setup Stalin so he could be arrested at a social event. He was so good at his work that even when everyone was in jail but him, they still did not think he was a spy.

Malinovsky was always the most enthusiastic supporter of the cause. This is what won him notice from Bolshevik leaders. He was a guy who never deviated from the party line, however it was being expressed by the leaders. It was why Lenin could not accept that he was a spy, even when the evidence was clear. It is always hard to distrust the guy who is your most loyal supporter. Eventually he was betrayed by his ex-mistress and the Bolsheviks had him killed.

Another reason the secret police find it easy to infiltrate outsider groups, especially those claiming to be on the Right, is that they are usually run by stupid people who never learn from the past. Look at this Patriot Front outfit. The “flag and costume” act has been a failure in America going back to George Lincoln Rockwell. The general public find it weird and off-putting. The only thing these antics do is isolate the group from normal society, making them easy targets.

What did the Patriot Front people think they were doing? They already managed to get themselves put on the terror watchlist. If they were hoping for attention by the Feds, they need not worry. Was anyone in Philly going to be impressed with this stunt and say to themselves, “You know, I think I may consider becoming a fascist”? Was this event going to bring them positive coverage from the media? As Jason Köhne noted, the only thing it did was drag young men further into the abyss.

Politics in a liberal democracy is a drama run by the ruling class. Think of it as a big stage on which politics is acted out for the masses. In America, this means the Left opens the show by demanding action against some threat to “our democracy” or demanding action to defend a victim group. Their fluffers go into the crowd to get the audience excited for the next drama. The actors perform the familiar story, sometimes combining the two into a single story.

At this point, the so-called conservatives waddle onto the stage in their comfort-fit chinos and golf shirts. They dismiss the claims of the Left, either claiming they are  exaggerating or that the issue is just not important. The crowd is encouraged to boo and hiss at them, which causes their knees to shake. Before long, some of them break ranks and join the Left in jeering at their old colleagues. The crowd keeps booing and the conservative are eventually run off the stage.

Every once in a while, for reasons science has yet to explain, the conservatives do not start to shiver and quake. They hold their ground. This is when the the spotlight illuminates the right side of the stage and we see the Hitler outfit. Over the sound system comes, “Who in the crowd will perform this vital role?” Sure enough, some idiot from a group fond of weird flags runs up on stage, dons the costume and begins to strut around on stage as the crowd throws rotten vegetables.

This is what the Patriot Front did over the weekend. They also took credit for defacing the statue of the blessed George Floyd, peace be upon him. These guys are performing a vital role in the political drama. This is why the Feds are endlessly trying to coopt and create groups that will perform this role. It turns out that the supply of idiots willing to do this without prompting can never meet demand. The secret police make sure the supply is always there so the show can keep staggering on.


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NateG
NateG
2 years ago

Malinovsky sounds like a hero. I read that he got the pig Sverdlov jailed also. Well, Sverdlov wasn’t his real name, most Bolsheviks changed them to sound Russian. Yakov Sverdlov, I believe, gave the orders for the Czar and his family to be executed.

UnScottable/Southern Daily News
2 years ago

A great article describing exactly my thoughts on this event with PF.

Also there is a typo in the last sentence of the 4th paragraph.

“This is pattern with these groups that goes back a very long way. It is the default position.”

Love your work and keep it up Mr. Z.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
2 years ago

“waddling onto the stage in their comfort fit chinos and golf shirts” Pure gold. The pen as a razor, God bless you brother.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Dennis Roe
2 years ago

I would have died laughing if he went for the “Untuck-It” shirt meme

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
2 years ago

Zman, what is your opinion of the orthodox church?

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  karl mchungus
2 years ago

km: opinion of the orthodox church Not Z, but Ang1in thinks they’ve been co-opted by the Frankfurt School; go to his site and look for an essay called “Holy Sacrament of the Sacred Needle”. Wikipedia says there are only about 400,000 Old Believers left in Mother Russia; apparently Putin offered for their ex-pats to come home from the United States, and many here in the United States took up Putin on his offer. But I don’t know whether a mere 400,000 is enough to turn the tide. In order to prevail over the Frankfurt School, they will have to be… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Not My Usual Pen Name
2 years ago

the orthodox church has several “centers”, was thinking primarily of the Greek orthodox church.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  karl mchungus
2 years ago

I believe that the bulk of the Greek Orthodox churches closed their doors because scary China virus. This puts them squarely in the camp of accomplices. That said, it did have a large number of dissenters – both at an individual and church level. But if you wish to practice a faith, you must really count on studying scripture yourself. The shamdemic has shown us who we can rely on. One more thing – the Greek Orthodox church has a large number of modern and near-modern holy figures who writings are very interesting; and of course prophesied much of the… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
2 years ago

Zman, Putin retakes Constantinople, then moves on Mecca…do Christians world wide join the final Crusade? What’s the smart move for Israel? [asking for a (white) friend…]

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  karl mchungus
2 years ago

The British will fight and die to protect the Turk, they did it over a century ago when the Czar had designs on Constantinople. I would suspect the Americans would sent every jar head they had as well. You have to understand the Western governments are anti-White and anti-Christian. They will side with the Muslims.

Lets be clear the Western governments have waged a 20 year war against secular ME governments.Libya, Egypt,, Syria and Iraq. 3 of the 4 are ruined states today thanks to American military intervention.And made sate for terrorists.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Rwc1963
2 years ago

“The British will fight and die to protect the Turk”

Of course we will… who else will staff the kebab shops we love so dearly and appear to celebrate as our own. ‘Spose any other dirt person could do it, mind.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
2 years ago

” This year, the F.B.I. decided to hold a parade in the city of Philadelphia to let us know they are always on the job.” LMAO! This is lulzy AF and part of why I read this site. Just like Jan 6th just like Charlottesville the supply of low IQs ready to perform in the next ‘Buffalo Jump’ (h/t Bracken) seems rather endless which as you said just makes their job that much easier. Normie really does take a while to catch on which is shocking after the railroading and 3rd world treatment the Jan 6th people are –still– getting… Read more »

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Apex Predator
2 years ago

J, here’s the thanks we got [over the weekend] from the Frankfurt School for having rescued the prisoners of Dachau:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bry7j3t-wJw

Never. Forget.

JohnWayne
JohnWayne
Reply to  Apex Predator
2 years ago

Small group of white supremicists march in philadelphia, threatening the peace & tranquility of the city of Brotherly Love.

Hundreds of shootings and murder in that same city this year, mostly by PO very dark C.

Ipso facto, we need to struggle ever more to stamp out WS!

A society wherein such retarded logic prevails can not long survive.

Whiskey
Whiskey
2 years ago

And to amplify this, for those who want “action,” every move, every thought, every public appearance or parade, should be aimed at peeling off segments of the elite onto our side. Consider this: the Weekend FT had a hilarious article about how the wealthy hedge fund masters who sent their kids to pricey private boarding schools like Eton are now screwed for college. Those schools went from providing 50% of Oxford and Cambridge enrollment to less than 30%, and the 30% being mostly black scholarship kids. Oxford dons can no longer get their kids in. What happened was a BLM… Read more »

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Would be interested to hear more. Perhaps a future Z post or show topic? Opening lines and elevator speeches to surreptitiously spread the good news would be very interesting.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Those elites created this anti-white system. Let them and their children burn. They will never be on our side and can never be trusted.

Anonymous Fake
Anonymous Fake
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

The elites are already a step ahead of everyone else. That’s why they’re elite. They’ve already figured out that modern education only results in feminism and reduced fertility rates, but working at Starbucks and getting started investing early in life results in better “net present career earnings” than just about any supposedly prestigious formerly middle class career that requires college. They’re handing over obsolete institutions to black nationalist idiots who are better off not reproducing too much. And their elite status largely comes from a very high expected rate of return from their investments, high enough that they are paradoxically… Read more »

Gedeon
Gedeon
Reply to  Anonymous Fake
2 years ago

The control freaks have nothing to offer white working class Americans, so there is no latent pool of cannon fodder for them to tap into in that demographic. The same applies to Hispanics and that is why the Latino propaganda disappeared with the Bushes. The blacks, however, already “own nothing and love it” because they just cannibalize each other when they decide they want something someone else has. I don’t believe for a minute that the small hats are going to make blacks elite anywhere and that this is just a temporary alliance of potential opportunity. Eventually, the pit bull… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

I didn’t read that piece (you can link it — hint hint). But it does sound like a bit of schadefreude for the Elite. The only flaw I see in your story is that even at a posh prep school, the white scions of the “elite” are probably getting a watered down, Woke curriculum, at least compared to what Daddy and Gran received. Ah, the irony of it all: The “nogs” get preferential treatment without merit and one’s own spawn are educated to nog-compatible level intellect.

B125
B125
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Good observation Whiskey. I’ve seen this happen first hand, with my upper middle class peers from high school. These are not elite elites, but top 10% families – parents are senior accountants, long-time public servants (with that golden pension), senior sales, etc. Big house with a luxury car and frequent vacations, you get the picture. While the liberal parents are well off, the male children are doing quite badly. First of all, they were told to “follow their passion” – which usually meant going to party while getting a useless arts degree. Or, maybe a mediocre business degree. I decided… Read more »

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

the odd redpilled white gentile like myself who is for whatever reason immune to brainwashing Your Amygdala [source of Common Sense & the innate Inner Moral Compass] dominates your Insula [source of Fantasy, Delusion, True-Believer-ism, Mesmerizability & Brainwashability [note that it’s also likely to be the case that the Insula plays a strong role in substance addiction, such as the marijuana abuse you’ve described]. If true [i.e. if not fabricated in its entirety], then the following is the single most important work in the biological sciences since at least Watson & Crick, and arguably since Mendel [I wouldn’t even put… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Good observation Whiskey. I’ve seen this happen first hand, with my upper middle class peers from high school. These are not elite elites, but top 10% families – parents are senior accountants, long-time public servants (with that golden pension), senior sales, etc. Big house with a luxury car and frequent vacations, you get the picture. While the liberal parents are well off, the male children are doing quite badly. First of all, they were told to “follow their passion” – which usually meant going to party while getting a useless arts degree. Or, maybe a mediocre business degree. I decided… Read more »

My Comment
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

You raise a great issue of the elite betting frozen out of institutions they once dominated by the replacements. They thought the only people being replaced would be the bad whites. Unfortunately the left is, as Tom Wolfe pointed out in the 60s, a religious movement and throughout history people have been willing to martyr themselves and their families for their religions. Good whites did that in the 60s during the Jewish led surge in black crime. It was bad whites and other normies who rebelled. Worth a try but not sure that the good whites will be willing to… Read more »

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  My Comment
2 years ago

Worth a try but not sure that the good whites will be willing to be heretics even to salvage the future of their young

Maybe VD could get on here and tell us the difference between a Goodwhite Boomer and a Badwhite Boomer [from the point of view VD & his fellow Xers].

Whiskey
Whiskey
2 years ago

Agreed weird costumes are a loser. Instead, we need to put on a NEW SHOW. This show should have all the leftoid freaks, weirdos, and others … aiming at various factions of the ruling elite and their key people/organizations. How awesome would it be for the Rise of the Moors, or Nation of Islam, to picket the FBI every day and demand that all the White agents and leaders resign to be replaced by blacks, starting with Christopher Wray. It should not be too hard to stir those guys up for that, along with various GoodWhite Karens. Or marching freaks… Read more »

Dave Bowman
Dave Bowman
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Every white employee of the NY Times needed to resign like yesterday. That Adolph Ochs’s parental units Julius and Bertha were slave-owners of some kind, I have seen, albeit in the NY Post — which is a reliable source here if not necessarily anywhere else or regarding Kamala Harris’s children books.

A stopped Black Twitter is right twice a day.

B125
B125
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Agree and amplify.

Gedeon
Gedeon
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Viktos and it is called “grunt style”.

Frip
Member
2 years ago

Z: “The essential tool of all secret police operations is to use unstable informers to infiltrate the target group.” Unstable? Or uber-stable. Imagine the titanium balls and equilibrium it takes to be a double agent. That feeling you get when you step to the edge of a cliff for the 5 second terror-thrill. They live every moment with this feeling, yet sleep like old basset hounds. Or perhaps them beating fear pacifies their inner psycho. More than a few guys I know, myself included, actually get calmer under duress. Well, men *should* be that way. But more specifically, getting calmer… Read more »

FeinGul
FeinGul
2 years ago

’m very curious as to why the Feds are making it so public that they’ve infiltrated this group and that. Stewart Rhodes must be pissed now.

Why leak your agents?
That’s either madness, or fear.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  FeinGul
2 years ago

His cover was blown and threw this turd to the sharks. All CI’s are disposable.Rule 1 of police work. No one likes snitches not even the Feeb. That said the FBI isn’t what it what it once was. For the last two decades they have been hiring Ivy Grads like crazy. This means they are larded up with Woke and Marxists, Not the bright bulbs in the package so to speak. Vicious, fanatical, yes. Smart, no.Look at Comey, Strzok and the rest of the clown posse from the 7th floor. None of them are impressive in the least. In real… Read more »

FeinGul
FeinGul
2 years ago

No organization means nothing can be done. But if you organize there’s risk. Yes. Somehow Lenin and the rest triumphed anyway, despite traitors. They had an organization ready when the opportunity came. Same with everything in human history and commerce, the ISP carrying these words, even the small business man or lone tradesman needs other organizations to do commerce. What is desired of course is MAGIC. One day suddenly everyone will have had enough and will RISE. Now such risings DO happen- but they never work. Ever. They invite a backlash and matters are worse than ever, see Trump and… Read more »

JohnWayne
JohnWayne
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

We need a leader. There is great enthusiasm on our side, but but no place to channel it. T demonstrated how thirsty we are for a leader, even someone as imperfect as he. Think of the force we could muster if we had a strong, fearless, leader who just won’t back down.

I won’t back down. You can stand me up at the gates of hell but i won’t back down…laa de dum…
Well i won’t back down.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  JohnWayne
2 years ago

We need leadership, not a leader. A leader will be isolated, frozen, and brought down. Any identifiable target is a dead man walking, ask General Flynn. Their strategy has always been “you don’t have to kill all the injuns, just any injun that gets out front of the group.”

A loosely assorted group of people with common interests, however, cannot be targeted by the state apparatus with any effectiveness.

slumlord
slumlord
Reply to  JohnWayne
2 years ago

Nope. No leaders. What you need is a clear ideology held by a group of capable men. That protects the movement against decapitation attacks and gives it strength “in depth”. Osama was a bogeyman for the U.S. but the triumph of radical Islam in the middle east has come about from an ideology, supported by a lots of capable local commanders, implementing the program in piecemeal fashion locally. Taking Osama out did not stop radical Islam. The core problem of the “Right” has been a lack of ideological purity. That’s why it’s been so able to be co-opted by the… Read more »

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  slumlord
2 years ago

The core problem of the “Right” has been a lack of ideological purity.

For Christ’s sake, the entirety of the professional “Right” is dutifully obedient to the ideology [i.e. the psychological warfare campaign] of Alisa Rosenbaum, as defined by the Frankfurt School’s Chamber of Commerce subsidiary.

ALL IDEOLOGIES ARE PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE CAMPAIGNS.

What we need is not ideology but rather character.

Dowitcher
Dowitcher
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Who do I organize with? I know no one outside of work in my city that isn’t a foreigner or miscegenator.

Ex-Pralite Monk
Ex-Pralite Monk
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Every group more complex than “me and some friends I’ve known for years and drink beer with” has been infiltrated and neutralized. Plan accordingly.

John Skookum
John Skookum
Reply to  Ex-Pralite Monk
2 years ago

Every group more complex than “me and some friends I’ve known for years and drink beer with” has been infiltrated and neutralized. Plan accordingly.

And if it suits the State’s needs, you can be damn sure they can find something on one of your beer-drinking buddies that will turn them into an informer.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  FeinGul
2 years ago

Fear not. Keep organizing local and off the internet. Recruit only people who have established work histories and have roots in the community. No outsiders. No freaks, no hot heads or so-called ex-special ops.(the latter have their own networks) Start a club like for board gaming or ancient history book club. Or even turn a garage into a gym where your guys work out and meet up on Sundays to watch joggers playing ball. When you go to meet up leave your phones at home. No Alexis or Nest type gear in any home. All conversations are in meat space.… Read more »

Ex-Pralite Monk
Ex-Pralite Monk
Reply to  FeinGul
2 years ago

Miracles happen but if your plan requires a miracle in order to succeed, your plan SUCKS.

Steve
Steve
2 years ago

Most of what passes for “demonstrations” at this point are orchestrated by and for the benefit of “The Media.” People looking to cash in on their fifteen minutes of fame stand/jump around in front of a TV camera crew, then go home (or to their homeless encampment, if left-wing) and turn on the TV news and wait to see themselves. I learned this first hand about thirty years ago, when the wife and I were spending a weekend in NYC, just about the time the Catholic Cardinal said something not entirely adulatory about gays. Sunday morning, a crowd dressed up… Read more »

ChuckSneedly
ChuckSneedly
Reply to  Steve
2 years ago

Lmao typical conservative attitude. You refuse to non-violently organize or raise a fuss now, but at some vague point in the future there will be a time, in your words, to “start shooting.” Shut the fuck up, you wont do shit. You’ll be waiting for the KGB with your dick in your hand like the rest of the them. The Turner Diaries was right that you conservative cowards will be the first in line to hand over your guns. Patriot Front’s march was not organized for the benefit of the media. The media has not covered the march beyond one… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  ChuckSneedly
2 years ago

And we can see you leading the charge of the White Brigade where and when, exactly? What time does your imaginary revolution begin? I’m sure the rest of your Red (Pilled) Brigades will be right behind you.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Steve
2 years ago

about thirty years ago… NYC… the Catholic Cardinal

It turned out that that particular Cardinal wasn’t exactly “Catholic”:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O'Connor_%28cardinal%29#Early_life,_education,_and_military_career

Nothing you were taught was as it appeared to be.

Welcome to the DR.

Durendal
Durendal
2 years ago

I’m not so quick to label Patriot Front as feds. From my perspective they have done lots of great work with their activism. They haven’t had any screw ups and no one has been doxxed as far as I can tell. It seems like a good way to engage “our guys” who are younger and need an outlet without sending them to another Charlottesville. That’s my nickels worth of free advice.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Durendal
2 years ago

How on earth is that march, which is deliberately supposed to evoke the spectre of you-know-who, more productive than a private, fanfare-less range day and bbq? They are peacocking, playing a role, so Z has a valid question: who created that role, why, and who is the audience? None of those answers are good for us.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
2 years ago

Because “fuck you, we’re here” is more invigorating than standing around at a BBQ? Because having balls means something? Because the rewards for broadcasting is better than the risks? Because who among us wouldn’t want to deface a George Floyd bust? (REAL MEN would deface an MLK statue though.) I understand Z’s argument that a fascist boys’ club is not exactly something that attracts the normie to dissident politics. Until recently PF has been on the down low, but maybe they are confident enough now to be a lightning rod. I don’t think they’re feds. Maybe they are aware of… Read more »

SidVic
SidVic
Member
Reply to  Marko
2 years ago

Iike Patriot Front. God bless em I say.

SidVic
SidVic
Member
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

PS did you catch the comments on the news stories? pure gold.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Durendal
2 years ago

I am very sympathetic to Patriot Front, but as No White Guilt (Jason) pointed out, many of these guys got arrested and were forced to reveal their identities to the authorities. It is likely that these guys will lose jobs and wives over this, or have forfeited their ability to attain those things. I don’t see the upside.

No one likes a fashy march more than me, but in this environment I don’t see how the gain outweighs the risk.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Durendal
2 years ago

All public groups are compromised. Get in bed with them and you put a target on your back and if any big event happens you get a visit at 3AM by SWAT. Thats what happened after OKC when militia types were rounded up by the gross. Form your own local groups by invite only and only after screening the prospects. You keep the prospects on a leash so to speak for some time to observe their character for tells. You do nothing in public or on the internet. Everything is person to person. Right now is the time to build… Read more »

Ex-Pralite Monk
Ex-Pralite Monk
Reply to  Rwc1963
2 years ago

Counterpoint: don’t form a group. Instead form a three-man cell with guys you’ve known for years. Discuss operations only in person and only outdoors at a pre-arranged meeting place, not at your home, not at a bar or restaurant.

Almost impossible to detect much less infiltrate.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

Often said here: lurk in the shadows. When opportunity avails, strike swiftly and silently. Don’t brag.

Goes without saying: don’t organize.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

Organizing is dangerous.
But without organization nothing will happen.

So nothing happens.
Nothing happens favors the state.

State wins.

Durendal
Durendal
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

We need to organize but it has to be done in the shadows and smartly.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  Durendal
2 years ago

Agree. Its not happening. And when I hear the word smart I walk away. When Smart is branded on anything… There’s no risk free path to survival. The Dems and Left for instance take enormous risks. So do the Elites. They win by forfeit- there’s no opposition, and the entire right works very hard to make sure there never will be. There’s no shadows dark or deep enough to hide any group that could accomplish anything. The State/Dems/Left win by default because they make sure there’s no other teams. Part of that is demoralizing any potential opposition by convincing them… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  FeinGul
2 years ago

Just a few off-the-cuff “psychological” answers to your last question: Q: Why would the Feds leak their agents, or equivalently, want it known (or “open secret”) that they are actively infiltrating groups? A1: To instill fear in the opposition. But why? Conjecture 1: They really are that competent, they really have those agents in place. They will roll up the opposition whenever they want. Meanwhile, they are collecting good intel. That seems unlikely on a few counts: they have no recent history of competence; good poker skills (indeed, the rules) prohibit telling the truth. Usually, bragging about your advantages offers… Read more »

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

The goal of this nonsense is to prevent organization by increasing the perceived risk. Look what happened after the selfie sixth. Some of this was of course narrative building, to make everyone afraid of White Right Terror but there was a real underlying core of utter panic. The economy is dying, the social fabric is unravelling. skilled workers leaving, water is running out in the West (Lake Mead is terrifyingly low right now) . On top of all that everyone is arming up every day and China is about ready to grab Taiwan and end the US military chip supply.… Read more »

nailheadtom
nailheadtom
2 years ago

Politics, after all, is the art of persuasion; the political is that dimension of social life in which things really do become true if enough people believe in them. The problem is that in order to play the game effectively, one can never acknowledge this: it may be true that, if I could convince everyone in the world that I was the King of France, I would in fact become the King of France; but it would never work if I were to admit that this was the only basis of my claim. In this sense, politics is very similar… Read more »

trackback
2 years ago

[…] ZMan turns drama critic. […]

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

The one lesson none of them ever learn is that street protest is for leftists. Street drama never accomplished anything the “elite” didn’t already want. It was just used as social proof that what they wanted was popular with the rubes.
We have all grown up being told that the way you change the system is by playing at street theater.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

I found this:

“…they will never acknowledge what they did. Their audience wants to be lied to for partisan gain and emotional pleasure.”

Gain and pleasure. Catchy!

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Spot on! Don’t play on the home field/court of your opponents. They monopolize all the advantages there. Also, as you indicated, street theater almost always serves the purposes of elites. In the rare instances when it is does not serve their purposes — Charlottesville, January 6 “insurrection,” etc. — they crack down on it and quickly convert it into serving their purposes. It’s stupid to assist them in that.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

Lol. Don’t play on the home field of your opponents.

LMAO.

No one is playing.

Anonymous Fake
Anonymous Fake
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

“Street protest is for leftists” isn’t true in the oriental despotism model of society where cities are built on oases (or in the Slav sphere, are built compact to save on heating) and conservatives have no distant subdivisions to flee to. Western societies have deep blue islands in light pink oceans due to the automobile and the infrastructure built around it, and whenever conservatives try to perform street protests they always move to the blue island and try to put on a show in someone else’s territory. It fails catastrophically and predictably at this point. This explains Charlottesville as much… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Anonymous Fake
2 years ago

We Conservatives would love to build our own cities. The only problem is, at least here in the USA, we would have to be able to throw away a lot of law and court decisions made since, oh, 1947 or so (1859 for the uber-conservative) 😀

ChuckSneedly
ChuckSneedly
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Oh man if only Adolf Hitler had taken your advice in 1928, he’d… actually he’d have never taken power because sitting inside at your desk accomplishes jack shit. Take Kotleiba in Slovakia, the Yellow Vests in France, ELAM/Golden Dawn in Cyprus, Forza Nuova and Casa Pound in Italy, and the Nordic Resistance Movement all the ascendant fascist movements in Europe have street presence. Having a public presence is a necessary condition to holding political power. Sorry there aren’t shortcuts when fighting an occupation government. People back the strong horse, and no one is going to grant power to a bunch… Read more »

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  ChuckSneedly
2 years ago

America has not been european for 300 years. Comparison therefore fails.
The German people would not be self-genociding after slaughtering tens of millions of her own sons and daughters if The Corporal had sat at home behind his desk.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Someone up thread noted that most leftwing “protests” are actually little made for TV productions. They’re done exclusively for the cameras and then end when the footage is shot.

A strategy for the alt right would be doing the same thing. Make little video productions that are over quickly before the authorities take notice or normies get annoyed with the inconvenience. Then distribute them via You Tube or any other video sharing service. Forced perspective, tight scripts and decent acting can create any impression you want to create for viewers.

Barnard
Barnard
2 years ago

I assume the Rise of the Moors group that got arrested outside Wakefield, Massachusetts is not infiltrated by the FBI due to the gross incompetence of the organization. The funniest part of the whole story to me was that they were out of gas 60 miles from where started from in Rhode Island. They should send in some informants to control the operation just as general public safety precaution before one of these goons screws something up and does some real damage.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

That whole story was asinine top to bottom

Not the least of which is a group of guys who think they can change the world but then can’t even manage a short trip somewhere without running out of gas

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

They had thought it through to the point where they brought lots of gas with them, but didn’t fill the tanks before they left. They also thought filling up on the side of the interstate was less conspicuous than at a gas station. Also, where were they going in Maine that would allow them to conduct “training?” The whole thing is bizarre.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

Black people only buy $5 worth of gas at a time. Race is real.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Marko
2 years ago

Check that;
They put what’s left of the $5 in the tank after 2 Swishers and a grape pop.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 years ago

This is the first time I’ve seen this Jason Kohne. Was he right on the Philadelphia event? Yes. Was he obnoxious and trying to catch flies with vinegar? Also yes. It’s sort of haughty to put an umlaut over your last name on this side of the Atlantic. Just as it’s haughty to remind misguided kids who engaged in this parade that you’re a “real man” while they’re not…over and over. Way to win them over by being a dick! As a side note, no one really knows who is a real man until all the chips are down in… Read more »

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

I don’t know if Kohne is a fed or not, yet I agree with your basic point about the counter-productiveness of displaying an obnoxious or arrogant attitude. Seems that a lot of the younger kids on this side of the divide have a poor grasp of decorum. Think of our movement’s elder statesmen such as John Derbyshire, Jared Taylor, Peter Brimelow, etc.: the mainstream despises them, but they still manage to carry themselves with an air of dignity typically absent among our youth. Or maybe I’m just turning into more of a curmudgeon in my middle age. There is a… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

I agree with you on optics. That’s very important. But I don’t think it’s a decorum issue. Decorum was left in the mud at Woodstock. None of our leaders have it. Schumer, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Marjorie Taylor Crossfit-Whore Greene, none of them. What made Trump popular was not having it. I was just on a plane near a middle aged woman who was wearing her pajamas. Decorum won’t return to this country, or any country until the passing of late stage democracy.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

I can’t disagree with you there. Perhaps I should have selected a more fitting word. Does “perspective” work?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.” Says Saul Alinsky, who heard it from Old Scratch. The ring of rhetorical power.

In all seriousness, the younger lefty set they deal with don’t show, demand, or deserve decorum.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

But yeah, after a point optics matter.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Once again, I can’t disagree. It’s a dirty game. My word choice was off. We need PERSPECTIVE — the ability to prioritize higher values over lower ones. Optics is part of that. Decorum, not so much.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Decorum is optics for sure, and powerful when deployed at the right time. I think I get what you’re saying.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

That’s how the Dems win, good optics.

😂

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

They shape how normie sees the world, so, yes.

ChuckSneedly
ChuckSneedly
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Jason Kohn, besides having a Jewish last name, looks like a serial killer. His argument against Patriot Front was that their posters and marches “terrify” poor wickle non-White childrens.

Aw, I didn’t think a man who looks like he skins cats alive would have such a soft heart. Weird faces go with weird politics I guess.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  ChuckSneedly
2 years ago

Yes, I recall that poor-little-brown-kids line. Even if it was true, it’s the ammunition of a left winger and speaks volumes. This from a guy concerned with optics.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  ChuckSneedly
2 years ago

Jason Kohn, besides having a Jewish last name, looks like a serial killer.

Continue to work on your physiognomy skillz and you will start to see sadistic psychopathy EVERYWHERE.

And moast especially in the aforementioned bloodlines.

Andy Texan
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Jason Kohne broadcast was inspiring. He is making a real difference.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

You betcha, done professionally by top talent, this industry no doubt has degree courses offered at elite collages. Since 1960, the year the ‘Mad Men’ ad agency is set in: The Mighty-Wurlitzer: How The CIA Played America- Hugh Wilford Wall Street attorney Frank Wisner, who would soon become the chief architect of the CIA’s Propaganda Assets Inventory, a “Mighty Wurlitzer” network of media assets and front companies, small organizations and magazines that the agency used to propagate its message during the Cold War against the Soviet Union. The director of the CIA expanded the program into “radical” groups on both the left and… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 years ago

Posts and comments got me thinking lately. The weapons of freedom, progress, and prosperity, having conquered communism, got turned inward. All the SJWs are indeed warriors. The boomer stereotype is SJW 1.0. GloboCap is a war machine. War is theater. People talk about civil war. One side is currently killing people with Covid drama, the other trying to figure out how to win the next election. Civil war is de facto. More war theater. Imo, it’s all settled with little if any additional bloodshed, albeit at great cost of impoverishment and discomfort. That’s the problem, though. Life is cheap, lifestyle… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 years ago

Anything with the word “Patriot” in it, even before the Patriot Act was signed, is suspect. Patriot of what? Something that died in its sleep years ago? About the time Ford was President? The second problem is that they were waving American flags. Literally waving the flag of the oppressor that will put them on no fly lists and ruin them. When you look at that flag, at best you should see a vessel of emptiness that no longer has meaning, much like the word “patriot.” The “oath keepers” is another one. “I’m keepin’ muh oath!” Oath to what? The… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Too lazy to look but I thought “Oath Keepers” started as a group of men whose main concern was keeping an “oath” to their families (or kids, if the marriage didn’t work out), a kind of white version of the values supposedly espoused (and quickly forgotten) from the “(sub)million man march”. I thought it sort of interesting, but then figured them for loons when they showed up in Ferguson during the riots in the spirit of CivNattery B.S. (“blacks love law and order and yet the government will not help so we will!!”). The results were, of course, not surprising:… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

Fed will never let 100 let alone 1000+ white guys who own guns organize around anything — anything overly threatening

As others have said, casual club around beer drinking or something

My personal suggestion is that we should organize around ethnic groups or some kind of shared history because that gets people fired up, and these are things felt in the marrow of one’s bones, and from there it’s a short walk to getting all of these various groups united in a common cause against Prog and Poz

ChuckSneedly
ChuckSneedly
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

The New Jersey European Heritage Association basically does that and they’re still subject to all the same attacks. At a certain point you just have to stand up and organize on the basis of what your are being attacked for- your White racial heritage.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  ChuckSneedly
2 years ago

My grandfather belonged to the Italian American Club in Tampa. I used to hang out there as a boy, and across the street was the Cuban club. A quick aside, you go into the Italian club and it’s loud and boisterous and music playing, but you go into the Cuban one and it’s only guys playing cards and smoking cigars in the absolute quiet. …anyway. I do believe that at some point the Feds were watching these kinds of ethnic clubs and fraternities. But I doubt they would today because, for one, it would be more informal and we wouldn’t… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

You need an oath to show loyalty and follow through with your family? That’s even more retarded. Even the most bloodthirsty savages still have familial loyalty. It sounds to me like prehistoric virtue signaling.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

I think the original Idea was that they were all government types who had sworn an oath to the Constitution that they would keep regardless of orders from above. Primarily of course cops/military types.
What would you expect from people whose day jobs require them to dress up?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

I think you may be confusing the Oath Keepers with the Promise Keepers, unless the latter changed its name to the former. At any rate, the name is silly and is probably representative of its membership.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Thank you, I thought I had a wire crossed but made the mistake of thinking the group in Ferguson was one in the same (it was not).

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

It’s geared towards the military. They take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. Fundamentally CivNat.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

The stars and stripes, when flown by whites–and who else has ever flown them?–is the Sign of the Cuck.

As for patriotism, I’m patriotic for an America that no longer exists. I no longer have a country, therefore I cannot be patriotic.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

“Literally waving the flag of the oppressor that will put them on no fly lists and ruin them.” Spot on. I have found this a tough nut to crack with the normie Fox News set of all ages/generation. There is a needed disengagement from the flag and the bunting and the Lee Greenberg soundtrack that they can’t let go of. I know this is a process, I did not wind up here overnight either. But even with some folk I thought I made really solid progress with this year, they recounted to me how moving it was this weekend when… Read more »

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  Valley Lurker
2 years ago

“If tomorrow all things were gone I worked for all my life
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife
I’d thank my lucky stars to be living here today
Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can’t take that away”
Lee Greenwood deserves a little bit of a pass on his over the top ode to patriotism. A lot has transpired since the song was released in 1984. Reading these lyrics today makes me want to puke.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Judge Smails
2 years ago

My beef isn’t with Lee Greenwood (I erroneously called him ‘berg, whoops). I want to live in the country he believed in also. But that probably isn’t happening any time soon.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

“The Euphemistically Named Act of 20XX”

All laws are passed this way now. The more idealistic it sounds, the harder you need to hold onto your wallets. And guns.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Well, I nominate one good thing that has “Patriot” in its name: the Mel Gibson movie. I’m sure the story line is fictional, but still inspirational. Mel is gentleman in Colonial South Carolina. He’s a good British subject, loyal to the King and his men, until he gets a wake-up call that makes him question his allegiance. Very good flick, IMO.

As is the (perhaps) film’s moral: we don’t make difficult choices until we have to.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

I’m sure the story line is fictional, but still inspirational.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYl58yK4znE

Gibson’s script is actually an outstanding theatrical recreation of the bloodlust which the Presbyterian Patriots felt for the canterburian papish traitors:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyle's_Massacre

93 traitors under Pyle’s command were hacked to death, in hand-to-hand combat, by the Patriots.

Eddie Coyle
Eddie Coyle
2 years ago

sending in their fluffers to get the crowd excited

such a great line, and your observations never disappoint, Kudos Zman.

Josey Wales
Josey Wales
2 years ago

Sh1tholedelphia is still around? I figured it would be a Chinese autonomous zone by now as a gift from the glorious peoples republic of Pennsylvania in honor of comrade chairman Beijing Biden and the Big Steal.
Groups are always to be avoided unless you want to see stupidity and insanity multiplied.
The only good democracy is an Irish Democracy.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Josey Wales
2 years ago

“Empire of Dust” was filmed there.

fbi informant
fbi informant
Reply to  Josey Wales
2 years ago

Native American Democracy

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
2 years ago

leftists, progressives, etc are parasites that infect anything involving more than one person; i.e. group, team, company, etc. but they are not concerned with running the group/company, they only care about increasing their control, and stripping the joint of anything of value. then the group/company dies. when they take over the entire country, it dies. the thing is, they are opportunistic, always waiting for the host to weaken so they can make their move. america got weak culturally, due to immigration, and took just over 100 years to sicken and die. and have no doubts, heritage america is gone. best… Read more »

BTP
Member
2 years ago

“They started engaging with citizens of Philadelphia, who were none too happy about what they were saying. These males felt threatened, and, at one point, somebody in their crowd threw a type of smoke bomb to cover their retreat, and they literally ran away from the people of Philadelphia,” said Philadelphia Police Officer Michael Crum.

And then everybody clapped.

B125
B125
2 years ago

I never get too involved with these groups. If they aren’t feds, they implode because the organizers are incompetent or power hungry. The only exception is Christian groups who seem to have higher quality human capital running them (of course most of the time you’ll be demonstrating to end black abortions or something). “Guys meeting up for beers” is a better strategy, imo. That said, there’s nothing wrong coming out to a demonstration like this. Cover your face (trust the science!) and get out early if things are turning sketchy. Keep an eye out for provocateurs and antifa. It’s a… Read more »

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

OK, but be very, VERY careful. You might be having a beer with a Fed. I’d be willing to bet that at least one fourth to one third of the guys at that demo were infiltrators. Neighbors/co-workers that you have known for a while are a much better bet, IMHO. By all means network, but remember, this is not the United States you grew up in.

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  Altitude Zero
2 years ago

Also, don’t ignore the importance of family connections – a fed can pretend to be your fellow demonstrator, Christian, Muslim, or conservative, but he can’t pretend to be your brother or cousin. It’s not just a coincidence that the enemies that USG has had the hardest time breaking were family/clan based – Taliban, Somalis, organized crime families. The Left has always hated and feared the family, since the very, very beginning, and there’s a reason for that.

Tempazpan
Tempazpan
Reply to  Altitude Zero
2 years ago

Absolute gold comment! Blood is thicker than water.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Tempazpan
2 years ago

That’s how Hezbollah started during the Israeli occupation of Lebanon following their 1982 invasion. First, the Lebanese were not unhappy of the idea of the Israelis expelling the Palestinians, who had been unwelcome guests in their land for decades doing far more talking about liberating Palestine than actually liberating Palestine. Then the Lebanese realized that the Israelis had no intention of leaving. Resistance began with numerous family and clan groups, which eventually coalesced into larger and larger groups until they had a national organization. I’ve read that one membership criterion was a recommendation from a blood relative who was already… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Altitude Zero
2 years ago

As someone joked on Gab, one thing to do is to loudly proclaim that you wish you had some explosives, and if someone says “they know a guy”, that guy is totally a Fed.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Altitude Zero
2 years ago

If we live in constant terror of the supposedly omnipotent/omnicompetent feds, we will never do anything. Rather, we will simply waste away having done nothing more substantive than make irritable Internet gestures. At some point, we must act. That doesn’t mean act recklessly, but it does mean taking some chances.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

thanks agent OK

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

No one is saying that the feds are omnipotent/omnicompetent, they are not even all that good at infiltration, the “Greetings, Fellow (fill inthe blank)!” meme didn’t come from nowhere. That’s why it’s so infuriating to see righties falling into honeypot messes like the above. Attending a mass demonstration that almost by definition can accomplish nothing, carried out by an organization whom you know nothing about, with a name designed to suck normies in, in an enemy city, and striking up relationships with randos you meet at said demonstration in an attempt to overthrow the government is just about the stupidest… Read more »

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

Yes to all of this, but it’s not enough to just say . . . don’t be a stupid idiot and join a crazy club. It’s also imperative that we educate the sane with respect to what does work in our modern police state. Get fit, go dark, and then Simple, Secret, Solo, and Spontaneous. Get out of the city, mind you own business, stay in the shadows, improve your skills, learn to survive on your wits & local resources. If you have your heart set on being highly proactive in the present, then consider an occupation that may come… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

@TomA. If the world ever became peaceful and just I think you’d lose your mind and start agitating for disruption just so you could reignite your near adrenaline levels of action-thriller hysteria.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

Luckily he probably won’t have to worry about that.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

The most efficient killers in the history of the planet have all been totalitarian tyrants, and this efficiency was always enabled by a disarmed & compliant citizenry that lacked the will to fight back. Since you’re bringing up idealistic Neverland Utopian wishful thoughts, what if some brave soul chose to eliminate the tyrant before he fulfilled his bloodlust for murdering millions of innocents? Would not that be a desirable outcome? Would that not be a more humane act then playing the part-time badass at next Thursday’s militia confab and pretending it makes a difference.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

eliminate the tyrant

Okay, well fess up, who’s the tyrant?

Cause it sure as he11 ain’t Tater Joe or Kamalatoe.

The fact that we have no earthly idea as to the identity of the ackshual tyrant himself is all you need to know in order to understand the magnitude of our unpreparedness.

Ex-Pralite Monk
Ex-Pralite Monk
Reply to  Not My Usual Pen Name
2 years ago

Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it. – Woodrow Wilson, “The New Freedom”, 1912.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
2 years ago

“At this point, the so-called conservatives waddle onto the stage in their comfort-fit chinos and golf shirts. They dismiss the claims of the Left, either claiming they are exaggerating or that the issue is just not important. The crowd is encouraged to boo and hiss at them, which causes their knees to shake. Before long, some of them break ranks and join the Left in jeering at their old colleagues. The crowd keeps booing and the conservative are eventually run off the stage.” This is too real. Serious question for Z. You don’t advocate for “voting our way out of… Read more »

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  Reynard
2 years ago

I second this. In the last podcast he talked a bit about activism but it didn’t go beyond making niche content and making comments in blogs and livestreams. What else can we do that won’t get us a ride in an FBI party van?

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Reynard
2 years ago

Think of the current regime as a raging fire that’s just past the point of being able to be put out. You have four options: fight it even though you can’t put it out, throw accelerant on it so it burns out faster, move far away from the flames and do what you can to insulate yourself from them, or do nothing. Obviously, fighting the fire does nothing except increase the odds of you getting burned; this is akin to voting. Adding accelerant might be helpful, but basically guarantees you’ll be badly burned; this akin to undermining the regime. Doing… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

option #5: take the opportunity to burn a few witches

Ex-Pralite Monk
Ex-Pralite Monk
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

The two career options for men in the future are
1. Monk
2. Pirate

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Reynard
2 years ago

Not to speak for him, but something else he has brought up from time to time is to perhaps focus on a single issue to push and own. Recently he’s brought up second amendment fights, but also in the past the legalization of freedom of association (something normie-cons doublethink in thinking it both exists, and should be illegal). Homeschooling rights is also something that is brought up by others. Except in the case of FoA there are already powerful organizations on those fronts that could always stand to be made more powerful. As far as FoA goes I keep trying… Read more »

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Reynard
2 years ago

“Is it your contention that we can only attempt to form our own communities within our atomized society, and then hope to rebuild whence it all crumbles decades, maybe generations from now?”

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Dan Hardesty
2 years ago

I have known several lower member Oath Keepers over the years, and they were good solid people. Something didn’t set right with me, so I didn’t join. I was asked to join the KKK, again, didn’t even think twice that time. To play the other side that is never mentioned. The NFAC’s Grandmaster Jay was indicted for things in the Breonna Taylor protests. Can’t forget an oldy but a goodie, Louis Farrakhan, and the nation of islam (NOI). They too have been quiet lately. I supposed they are letting the “crackers” do the damage to themselves. More groups on all… Read more »

Severian
2 years ago

The problem with this system is that it’s designed to preserve a status quo, but the very people tasked with maintaining it are fanatics… and none too bright to boot. Even if we the it as read that the Oath Keepers were an op, at least a decade in the making, I doubt the Feds have the competence to pull that off now… and more to the point, I doubt they have the brains to understand why they even need to bother. They obviously have no problem rigging false flags like the Four Hour Insurrection; pretty soon some dumb, ambitious… Read more »

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

The Frankfurt School made an even moar famous movie about Whitey Bulger & Robert Mueller & James Comey, called “The Departed”.

Alec Guinness played Mueller, Martin Sheen played Comey, and Jack Nicholson himelf played Bulger.

Just like Deep State asset Jeffrey Epstein, Deep State asset Whitey Bulger was also assassinated in prison.

But Jeffrey Epstein won’t get his own movie until the Frankfurt School scriptwriters can figure out a way to make Epstein the true victim of goyische subterfuge.

usNthem
usNthem
2 years ago

So it would seem even”normal” society is filled up with cranks, crazies, informants, fanatics and infiltrators. As Derbyshire said, we are evidently doomed, wandering around in this liberal democracy matrix with little to no hope it’s going to be seriously challenged, let alone collapse or implode. Man, welcome to the machine…

Thorsted
Thorsted
2 years ago

Here in Denmark in 1972 we have a vote on becoming members of the “European Community” (which later became the EU). Back then there was only on television station run by the state. Many people was in doubt about what to vote. But, in the last news report on television prior to the election, they showed a clip of a demonstration against the “European community” with some very long haired hippies dancing and making very odd music on their instruments. After that those in doubt what to voted had not doubt about that anymore.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Thorsted
2 years ago

are danish women as pozzed as german and american women?

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Thorsted
2 years ago

See also the Iraq Attaq: in the U.S. only the most absolute incoherent lunatics were allowed to voice opposition to the war. Level headed opponents (mostly paleos) were brushed off to the very bottom of the discussion.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Not sure what you guys think of BAP, but he had an amusing thread where a bunch of anons took a picture of his dissident book next to their credentials as operators in the system. There were a bunch of military guys and even a California judge. He’s been big on avoiding open gatherings where it’s easy to get identified and doxxed, recommending instead to the infiltrate organizations and finding jolly renegades of like mind within these organizations as well as one’s personal life. Basically it’s the opposite mindset of groups like Patriot Front. Still of the opinion out institutions… Read more »

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Curtis Yarvin is wrong about a lot of things, but he is absolutely right that Leftist-style “demonstrations” don’t work for the Right, because for demonstrations to be successful, they have to have the support of at least a fraction of the power structure, which the Right does not have at the moment. As the Chinese will tell you, calling mobs into the streets is only a supportive adjunct to faction fights within the elite, where the real action is. At this point any right-wing group that encourages street theatre demonstrations must be assumed to be an op until proved otherwise.… Read more »

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  Altitude Zero
2 years ago

Yeah, street demonstrations are demonstrations of power. Civil rights was an insider movement and the marches were PR.

OTOH, I think there may be something to PF desecrating of the Floyd statue PBUH. Just look at the comments under the local news’ story on the event.

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  Astralturf
2 years ago

Agreed, but it would have been better done anonymously, under cover of night. For example, the tactic of distributing those “It’s OK to Be White” flyers everywhere secretly was highly successful, it made the Left even more paranoid, and it arguably set the stage for people calling CRT “anti-white” which is a moderate breakthrough. Never let the enemy know who we are, or exactly how many of us there are.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Altitude Zero
2 years ago

The relative status of the “sides” is probably the only thing he’s right about, but it’s the biggest thing and people refuse to believe it. I’ve been drilling it since “Read ‘Rules for Radicals!’ Know your enemy!” caught on back when Clinton was elected. Alinsky wrote only for the heirs to power—the ones already in the will. When anyone outside the family tries to “rule 13” (or whatever), nothing happens. When the favorite daughter cries, Dad hands her the keys. IIf you mention leftist theorists to actual leftists, they consider the names right-wing shibboleths. Though the books are only for… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Who is BAP? I hate having to decipher acronyms.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

Bronze Age Pervert.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Popular on Twitter with the weightlifter lifestyle set, wrote a book of his essays.

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

One thing about Bronze Age Pervert, his suggestion that young righties infiltrate the military, intelligence, and security forces absolutely and utterly terrified the Left, it’s at least partially behind their clumsy and ham-handed purge of the military, which has been a huge red pill for a lot of normies. Whether or not this is a serious or reasonable suggestion (BAP is one part serious strategist, one part right-wing performance art) it goes a long way to show what the Left is really afraid of. As Orwell said “Dictators can survive ‘moral force’ (ie, demonstrations) till the cows come home. What… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Altitude Zero
2 years ago

I was having similar thoughts. I’m sure this isn’t an original observation, but floated in mind past day or so. (Clearly, what I describe could happen to any group in power). As the Leftist get ever loonier in their goals, their demands and their actions, they will inevitably injure, insult or otherwise alienate many of the people who were in fact their most loyal supporters. I’m not sure this is precisely the meaning of “The Revolution eats its own.” But maybe it is, to some degree. An example I’ve used before: as the Woke-ists scramble ever harder to root out… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Our host has named us the “Dissident Right” for a reason. We have to accept that we are now dissidents and need to start acting accordingly. If you understand this, you won’t be out in public waving your freak flag around.

Now is the time for other tactics.

Whitney
Member
2 years ago

Why is the left so much smarter than we are? Why do they relentlessly advance generation after generation? It’s not just one person, it’s a collection of people over decades and eras. I am baffled and frankly a little awed

Severian
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

That’s it. The average Leftist is NOT smart, and whatever native intelligence she might have had has been beaten out of her by ideology. They’re just ruthless. Same deal as the Mafia. “The Sopranos” did a great job with that. None of those guys were physically intimidating. I doubt any of them was particularly good in a fight. They won because they went straight to “beating you with a pipe wrench” before you even got out of the “we’re having a social chat” stage. That whole “let’s have a discussion” thing is just a ruse, to get within wrench swinging… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

To put a little color on what Z said, I used to live in one of the inner suburbs of DC. One of my neighbors worked for a conservative Christian NGO. He had worked earlier for some GOP politician. In the five or so years that we lived around them, he had his tires slashed once, his house egged once and people yelling outside his house at 2 a.m. once. And this was back in the early 2000s, long before BLM and the recent rise of the SJWs. Several liberal neighbors openly refused to talk to this family. The dad… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

I prefer to use the term “tribalism” rather than the modern “partisanship.” This behavior exists because it’s in our DNA. We are descended from tribesmen and it became a trait of our species because it “worked” in the evolutionary sense. Higher order thinking (rational cognition) has only been with us for about ten thousand years, but the innate tribalism proclivity extends back into our predecessor species, i.e. perhaps a few million years. Last, a parasite doesn’t really need rational cognition in order to survive & thrive; just a host to latch onto.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

“Our” tribalism, in this case Northern European tribalism, isn’t nearly as tribal as tribes from warmer parts of the world, where clannishness and in-group preference are everything.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Not so. Clannishness was (and is) a major feature of central European Celtic culture and also Scandinavian cultures further north. The tribalism trait will reawaken when things get gnarly again after the collapse.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Objectivism is no match for partisanship.

Objectivism is precisely the psychological warfare campaign which was intentionally designed to castrate partisanship.

All ideologies are psychological warfare campaigns.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

“Why is the left so much smarter than we are? Why do they relentlessly advance generation after generation?”

cause they have all the money, even the republicans need corporate money

after they got rid of the monarchies the usual suspects control all of the west’s finances

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

They had their eyes on the prize. This goes way back. “The long march through the institutions.” (Gramsci), the Frankfort School, Post-Modernism, etc…

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

The left isn’t “smarter” so much as more “devious.” They’re a lot like movie critics, in that they are really good at pointing out flaws and failings of other men, but are incapable of greatness themselves. A critic can make astute observations about a movie, and point out subtle flaws in its story or filming, but is generally incapable of making any sort of film let alone a good one. Leftists are the same, in that they can agitate for a cause, even a worthy cause, but are incapable of thinking systematically which is why whenever they are in charge… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

They also practice Taqiyya, the Muslim belief that it’s okay to lie and deceive if it gives you an upper hand on the enemy.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  DLS
2 years ago

They’re getting that from the Talmud, not the Koran.

Javelina Rider
Javelina Rider
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

Your point about leftists is valid, but the movie critic analogy is a dud. It’s not the job of a movie critic to make movies (although Francois Truffaut did). His or her job is exactly what you suggest, making astute observations and expressing them with style. Generally people who evaluate things are not the kind who make them, but those who add value to them.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Javelina Rider
2 years ago

(((Who the he11))) watches any (((movie))) made in the last 15 or 20 years?

The very fact that a person watches (((movies))) is all we need to know about their utter absence of character.

Anonymous Fake
Anonymous Fake
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

The left doesn’t consciously march through institutions. The average leftist is motivated by the hindbrain, sexual impulsivity, and this drives him to move to the most densely populated cities in the country with the most sexual opportunities available. Elites love dense cities because their time is so valuable and they cannot ever afford to lose time stuck in some subdivision packed full of traffic. Conservatives love low taxes and cheap infrastructure, so their long commute times are absolutely inappropriate for appealing to potential elites. Over time the elites and leftist sexual deviants merge in the cities, though their original motivations… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

Because as Conservatives, we represent(ed) the status quo, the way things were. A Leftist (in this context) is someone who wants to improve the world. Perhaps sometimes to good effect, but not always. To use an example (we’re all racists here, so no one will be offended, I assume?): Back in the days of rigid segregation, at some point a Liberal made the perfectly reasonable seeming observation that wasn’t it a shame that this honest, hard-working, chuchgoing family couldn’t rent an apartment in our building just because they were Negroes? Fast forward seventy years, and that apartment building is now… Read more »

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

All due to good intentions, one tiny step at a time.

Good intentions on the part of the Insula-dominant shabbos goyische slaves of the Frankfurt School.

But the sanhedrin of the Frankfurt School knew PRECISELY what they were doing.

PS: If somebody wants to make an outstanding rock-n-roll parody video, then rewrite the Beach Boy’s epic hit with lyrics which expound upon the theme of “Good, Good, Good, Good Intentions…”

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
2 years ago

I think you’re right that the best thing to do would be (as usual) the opposite of what the republicans did, and rather than trying to stymie the January 6th show trials, they should have let it go, encouraged it, fanned the flames. Seeing hysterical women like Pelosi or Chuck Schumer or Ocasio Cortez talking about how they were almost murdered can only make the ridiculous system look even weirder. Plenty of people who hate Trump but aren’t crazy see this constant lawfare against his organizations as evidence that all the institutions that are supposed to be checks on lawlessness… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Joey Jünger
2 years ago

> and rather than trying to stymie the January 6th show trials, they should have let it go, encouraged it, fanned the flames.

Sounds like the classic technique of Agree and Amplify when dealing with a ridiculous demand. It forces the other to either put the brakes on themselves or hit the accelerator into a wall. Either way, you win.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Good point. Shame is also a powerful weapon, but unusable against The Left as they are all quite obviously shameless. The Right could use a good Mocker in Chief. Someone like Twain, or Mencken – although their rapier wit would largely be useless as the average Lefty intellect is so subpar they would’nt know they were being mocked. Trump’s brand of mockery, though warranted, was too grade school-ish to be effective.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Stranger in a Strange Land
2 years ago

Like how the Babylon Bee keeps getting branded as a spreader of misinformation. But I disagree on Trump. His mockery was very effective. The way he could make a nickname stick was unbelievable. He knocked out Little Marco and Low Energy Jeb with ease. That is why they banned him from social media. His mockery was too effective.

Manc
Manc
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

There’s a reason why the footage from Jan 6 hasn’t been and probably never will be released to the general public. It’s in all probability filled with examples of Our Esteemed Representatives behaving like panicky cowards in the face of a giant fraternity prank.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Manc
2 years ago

That picture of the Congressionals ducking and hiding behind the seats, in terror for their lives?

The full picture shows the rows behind them.

The Congressmen there are bored, checking their phones, looking down with puzzled disdain at the front row playacting for the cameras.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

If the GOP was anything other than a junior partner in politics, they could have easily mocked the Democrats for their hysteria. This strips them of their authority. Mockery says “you do not have the authority to dictate what I should take seriously.”

Yeah, but instead you get ostensible Grand-Wizard Arch-N@zi Pat Buchanan of the GOP stabbing all the patriots directly in the back and calling the d.c. abomination a “sacred temple of the Republic”.

There’s a special Place for you in the innermoast 9th Circle, Traitor Pat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_%28Dante%29#Ninth_Circle_%28Treachery%29

A very Special Place for you.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Joey Jünger
2 years ago

Occam’s razor suggests that the national Republican politicians are fighting a show trial over Jan 6th because they’re stupid, or they’re hip deep in the fraudulent setup.

Falcone
Falcone
2 years ago

Yesterday I came up with a good one

Covid was the Blair Witch Project of pandemics, all meta and hype with nothing really scary happening inside

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

That is a good one. And this is an aside, has anyone else had the experience that DuckDuckGo has totally collapsed. It’s become almost unusable for me

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

DDG been working for me

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Works for me as well. It uses the Bing search engine, but with a privacy interface on top.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

How so? Do you mean technically, or just returning unhelpful results?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  RoBG
2 years ago

It works. In that I search for something and it comes up.

Haven’t noticed any problems

Falcone
Falcone
2 years ago

I can see Chris Wray conducting the band

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

He’s the one holding the cue cards for the audience.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

Waddle out on stage.

Now there’s a visual for ya……

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

That was usually the role for Hannity at his country music events

Semi-Hemi
Semi-Hemi
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Hannity couldn’t suck any worse if he tried. But even Hannity seems to have had some sort of minor epiphany. He seems maybe a little more aware lately.

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
Reply to  Semi-Hemi
2 years ago

He probably came across this website.