Historical Fiction

“The future is certain; it is only the past that is unpredictable” is an old Soviet era joke about the party’s habit of rewriting history to serve the current moment. Like so many things Soviet, it applies well to the current American regime. Not only do they rewrite the past, but they also magnify events from the past to make them seem like they just happened yesterday. They diminish more recent events so they seem distant. The old communists were amateurs compared to liberal democrats.

The rewriting of history is best done by people who have a certain historical outlook and a facility for language. It is a unique sort of sociopathy that allows them to create highly complex models of the past that are decorated with well-established facts, but are otherwise filled with distortions and outright fabrications. Erasing a man from a picture and banning any mention of him still leaves a hole. Rewriting the man’s history, weaving it into the story of the opponents solves two problems.

You can see how this works in this hysterical screed from the left-wing propaganda site the Bulwark. At this point it is inaccurate and dishonest to put the neoconservatives on the political Right. They agree with the establishment Left on everything except some foreign policy items. They actively make war on the establishment Right. Of course, they are even more hostile to dissidents, nationalists, and populist than the most deranged lefty. Neoconservatives have returned home.

Putting that aside, note the natural way in which the writer builds an intellectual framework that fits the needs of the moment. Within in that framework are all of the usual bogeymen that haunt the minds of these people. We have various internet characters who have tormented them. There is the Russian conspiracy hoax and the foaming at the mouth Trump hatred. Of course, Evangelicals are in there. The only thing missing from the list of bad actors is Tsar Alexander III.

All of this is designed to dirty up the Claremont Institute, which is the only establishment Right operation to take seriously the crisis of the present. They operate American Greatness and the site American Mind. Of course, they have been willing to look at Trump and the movement that carried him to office in a serious way. Michael Anton was one of the first establishment figures to make the case for Trump in 2016. This is why the fevered minds of neoconservatism despise them.

The psychopathic hyperventilating is amusing at a certain level, but it obscures the really important nugget at the start of the screed. “The Claremont Institute was founded in 1979 by Peter W. Schramm, Thomas B. Silver, Christopher Flannery, and Larry P. Arnn, all students of Lincoln scholar Harry V. Jaffa.” Then just a bit later, “Jaffa’s work on Abraham Lincoln was groundbreaking, and can be credited for recovering a sense of Lincoln’s intellectual seriousness.”

It is easy to skip over that as the cult of Lincoln has become a fixture in both the establishment Left and the establishment Right. Both left-liberals and right-liberals claim Lincoln as their own. National Review trots out Lincoln every time the left-liberals are banging them over the head about race. You see, Lincoln was a Republican, so it means it was right-liberals who saved America from slavery! They do the same ridiculous thing with MLK, even though he was a Marxist.

Forgotten is how this cult of Lincoln was created and who created it. That person is Harry Jaffa, who should go down as history’s greatest fabulist. He is responsible for what is known as the second founding thesis. You see, the real founding the country was not with the Constitution. That is just words on paper to solve practical issues facing the newly independent colonies. The real founding of the country, the moral and spiritual founding, was with the Declaration of Independence.

According to Jaffa, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” is the primal roar of the new people, a new concept of a people. The Founders wanted America to be a land of universal equality. That was the ideal they setup for themselves. The Constitution fell short of that because of the needs of the moment.

The Civil War, however, was not a continuation of a cultural dispute dating back to the English Civil War or even a war over slavery. It was the second founding. The old errors and sins of the first founding were washed away with the blood of millions so America could continue toward that original ideal. Slavery was abolished and the Constitution was modified. Those modifications have been used ever since to alter the country in pursuit of the founding ideal contained in the Declaration.

This is also where we get the proposition nation stuff. “Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.” You see, that original rhetorical flourish was actually a call to create an entirely new type of nation, a proposition nation based on ideas, rather than people. It is not hard to see the mischief that has come from the embrace of this rewriting of history.

In a slightly different context, John Derbyshire noted that some people have an unnatural skill at creating “elaborate, plausible, and intellectually very challenging systems that do not, in fact, have any truth content”. Harry Jaffa and his followers were such men. For that matter, Strauss falls into this camp as well, but that is a topic for another day. Because the second founding idea provided the right-liberals with a fig leaf over the race issue, it has become their creed.

That does not change the fact that this is nonsense, but like Stalin rewriting history, it is powerful nonsense. In fact, the current antiwhite pogroms aimed at extirpating all signs of whiteness are rooted in this. The advocates justify their cultural genocide on the grounds that it is part of this process to reconcile America with its long failure to live up the original idea. Ibram X. Kendi and Robin DiAngelo are really just modern day manifestations of the Founders, dreaming of a proposition nation.

At the core, the dissident project is about peeling back the layers of lies and fabrications like second founding theory. History is a story of a people and our story has been rewritten by strangers who see us as enemies. Correcting the record is not just an exercise in trivial exactitude. It is about re-centering a people on the foundation of their past so they can once again reach for the stars. If the folks at the Bulwark want to know “what they hell is happening” there is the answer in a nutshell.


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Pozymandias
2 years ago

Correcting the record is not just an exercise in trivial exactitude. It is about re-centering a people on the foundation of their past so they can once again reach for the stars. This may sound campy but I often think of this stuff when I’m out walking my dog and look up at the stars. You can actually see them most nights in Oregon during the summer. I used to think it was inevitable that one day people would live out there among those suns. Nowadays I look up and just think, no, the future will likely just be a… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

It’s hard for me to imagine what could possibly motivate the millenials and zoomers in their quests for “social justice” and “equity”.

Some combination of boredom, self loathing and frustration over falling short of their expectations.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

When we went to the moon (allegedly :-), many blacks resented it.

Gil Scott-Heron’s “Whitey’s on the Moon”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

I can’t really blame them. A bunch of people who aren’t your people off on a vanity project while your family rots in poverty would piss me off too. And note while people like to make envy out to be a sin, normal human societies they kind we spent 90% of our evolved life in had a basic degree of equality,. You and your tribe suffered together and while big men got more, they earned it and frankly the more had to be shared anyway to buy status. The current situation is untenable for that reason and when people have… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

The Lighter Side of Dark Matters Dept.

While the South Africa civil disorder continues apace, here’s a wry report from Daily Mail. Jailed leader’s son asks followers to “Please protest and loot responsibly.” Good to see that a bit of that dry British wit remains, as well as at least a glimmer of propriety. (Damn! I’ve been reading too much Derbyshire! 😀 )

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9786731/POLICE-caught-looting-goods-South-Africas-descent-lawlessness-continues.html

Pozymandias
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

He should have added “please remember to be ‘mostly peaceful’ when murdering people”. More of an American joke though, a brit might not get it.

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

When I was a kid, the saying went, “If negroes can’t eat it or fuck it, they shit on it.”

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 years ago

While working in the hood for several decades, the phrase was, if they can’t eat it, burn it or fuck it, they break it.

ArthurinCali
ArthurinCali
2 years ago

If able to stomach it, review the latest offering from a Harvard educated Sophist who at one point, compares himself to Sarah Conner from the Terminator franchise… https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/voting-rights-black-heroes/ Getting past all of the rhetoric of the opinion piece reveals what it all comes down to: Power. Stolen elections are conspiracy, unless it pertains to someone like Stacey Abrams. All history is re-imagined as if Wakanda would be real if America hadn’t been such a meanie for no reason whatsoever. The future they envision is not equality or absolution of grievances, but to merely hold the whip and repeat the scenes… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  ArthurinCali
2 years ago

Once a parasite seizes power over the host, the bloodsucking escalates until the host is bled dry & dies. As such, we are on a collision course with collapse and it’s best to develop a contingency plan for this outcome. Do you really want to be in a big city when the rioting goes berserk and roving gangs run wild? Do you have a safe haven where you can retreat and protect yourself & family? And you cannot eat lamentation & I-told-you-so, so best get busy now.

JohnWayne
JohnWayne
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

Out of a multitude or disaster scenarios there’s always room for another, no?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/will-china-attack-the-united-states_3899959.html

c matt
c matt
Reply to  JohnWayne
2 years ago

Why attack what you already own?

I, personally, welcome our sino overlords.

Hi- Ya!
Hi- Ya!
Member
2 years ago

The thing that gets me, is that after civil rights, shouldn’t the country be more happy? If segregation was so evil, that would reflect in our manners and crime and behavior.

But its been the opposite. “Death Wish” and Dirty Harry weren’t popular becasue things were good.

Incidently, I remember seeing a “End Apatite” in a BIll Murry movie, I think it was Scrooged.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hi- Ya!
2 years ago

I’m sure the AWs would say we’re unhappy because we’re still segregated, albeit informally rather than juridically. If we could just force da ebel whi suprimiss to include the saintly African-Americans, all would be well.

creekman bob
creekman bob
2 years ago

Soviet historians: Those who predict the past.

cameron
cameron
2 years ago

David Frum in his Atlantic column says Trumpism is becoming facism. He’s gracious enough to admit that Trump’s no Hitler.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

Frum is the wave of the future

See, they’re adapting. Just like little chameleons

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

Trumpism is not becoming fascist, of course. That’s just nonsensical rhetoric designed to whip the flames of AW. However, if fascism–as opposed to Nazism–is required to prevent white genocide and preserve Western civilization, sign me up.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

But….but…we could get rid of … you know…. 🤫

ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

What if it takes actual Naziism to save White people. Is being compared to Hitler just too much of a sacrifice for you?

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  ronehjr
2 years ago

Why do you people continue to insist on allowing the enemy to create the vocabulary & grammar upon which foundation the discourse will proceed?

Until you create your own vocabulary & grammar, you are merely intellectual [& much more importantly, PSYCHOLOGICAL] slaves of the parasites which spend every waking hour of their parasitic lives inventing new & ever moar seductive vocabularies & grammars for you to regurgitate dutifully.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ronehjr
2 years ago

It’s not required. The hypothetical is invalid on its face.

JohnWayne
JohnWayne
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

All we are saaaying, is give Marx a chance.
All we are saaaying, is give Marx a chance.

Imagine.

-Lennon, Lenin
A rose is a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
2 years ago

“It is about re-centering a people on the foundation of their past so they can once again reach for the stars.”

I want to take this opportunity to remind all you bad thinkers that you can only actually reach the stars if you have three sassy black women doing the math for you. Carry on.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Valley Lurker
2 years ago

It’s true.

Black women give me all my change at MacDonalds. They only get it wrong 4 out of 10 attempts.

They’re math geniuses.

Hi- Ya!
Hi- Ya!
2 years ago

Wow, great point. Maybe the second founding novelty is a sore spot to poke at…

Pasaran
Pasaran
2 years ago

Two questions
(maybe obvious for American people, please forgive me for that)

1-Did Lincoln really wanted to expulse every black in Africa?

2- (about “RIGHT-wing liberals”) : was the republican party, in 1860, considered already as a rightist party, and dem party as a left wing party?

(if not, when did the rep party moved from the left to the right?)

Thanks by advance to every answerer 🙂

Hi- Ya!
Hi- Ya!
Reply to  Pasaran
2 years ago

Yes! But, I think the impulse of democracy to harvest black votes, eventually overwhelmed the idea.

Too bad.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Pasaran
2 years ago

“There is an unwillingness on the part of our people, harsh as it may be, for you free colored people to remain with us.”

“The colony of Liberia has been in existence a long time. In a certain sense it is a success. … The question is if the colored people are persuaded to go anywhere, why not there?”

“The practical thing I want to ascertain is whether I can get a number of able-bodied men, with their wives and children, who are willing to go, when I present evidence of encouragement and protection.”

https://hd.housedivided.dickinson.edu/node/40448

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Pasaran
2 years ago

Did Lincoln really wanted to expulse every black in Africa?

The only thing anyone knows for certain about that particular hominid is that every word out of its mouth was a lie, including the words “and” and “the”.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Pasaran
2 years ago

…was the republican party, in 1860, considered already as a rightist party, and dem party as a left wing party? Depends on how you define right a d left. The Republican Party was created in 1856 as an explicitly abolitionist and anti- polygamist party. Does that sound right wing or left wing today? What it was not was traditionalist or conservative. It also was not advocating a small government. It wanted a more robust federal government to reform society by eliminating the above mentioned cultural factors. Does that sound like a right wing or a left wing political agenda today.… Read more »

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
Reply to  Pasaran
2 years ago

Any political party which abandoned the original constitution and based its raison d’etre on a sentence in the Declaration of Independence, basically a declaration of war sent to the King of England, that party would have to be considered not only radical but revolutionary. Furthermore, any political party which would justify massive bloodshed in order to further its goals would also have to be considered fanatical.

Gauss
Gauss
2 years ago

Regarding the Bulwark screed: “What an odd endorsement of the Claremont Institute.” (paraphrasing Michael Malice)

Bill
Bill
2 years ago

For Lincoln— and for virtually every other White man at the time who favored freeing the Black slaves— an indispensable correlate to Emancipation was Repatriation: sending the freed slaves either back to Africa, or to some other far off locale. None of them imagined the full equality and integration into American society that today’s liberals take for granted. None of them were under the illusion that that could possibly work.

And damned if they weren’t right….

Raslip Mugfrid
Raslip Mugfrid
Member
Reply to  Bill
2 years ago

There’s a story in “The King in Yellow” (1895) that considered a future 1920 America would have at least one Negro state like “Swanee”

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Bill
2 years ago

You should avoid attributing our enemy’s actions to stupidity when malice is more fitting. John Brown and his ilk not only wanted full equality, they wanted “involuntary miscegenation” to genetically eradicate the Southern nation, followed by black supremacy. The primary plan for a good subset of Yankees (“radical abolitionists”) was for the blacks to rise up and go full on Haiti/Angola/Zimbabwe on the White Southrens. That was the original intent of Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation.The Morganthau plan for the South, as it were.
Again, they hate us and want us dead, and have for centuries.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
2 years ago

Again, they hate us and want us dead, and have for centuries.

As I have said in these parts recently, all of classical American History, from circa 1750 to 1900*, was just one long century and a half replay of Culloden, war after war after war.

*When the Frankfurt School seized control of the ship of state.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  Bill
2 years ago

Jim Crow was poor whites living as rich whites did then, and as rich whites still live now.
Apart.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  FeinGul
2 years ago

Poor Whites == the losers at Culloden.

Rich Whites == the winners of Culloden.

[The rich Whites weren’t actually AT Culloden; they sent their hannoverian scabs to do their fighting for them. You see the same pattern in Culloden IV, the war of 1861-1865, when, once again, the rich Whites cheated and imported myriad taters & lutherans & jews to do their fighting for them.]

Bill
Bill
2 years ago

Whatever Jefferson may have been up to with his words in the Declaration— about all men being created equal— many other things he wrote reveal him as a race realist who could not possibly have been intending or imagining full civic equality for Blacks. “Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them….. Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination,… Read more »

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  Bill
2 years ago

The Declaration was written for a specific problem that could not be resolved except by Independence and war to break from England. The problem being dreadful misgovernance all round. Below is the beginning, the Founders explained WHY they had to separate from England. Why British government had become unbearable (and it was incompetence from afar). “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and… Read more »

Severian
2 years ago

If I might be permitted a very small, very limited defense of my former profession, it’s not so much that professional historians are rabid ideologues, it’s just that they’re incredibly sheltered, incredibly naive, and not nearly as smart as they think they are (I told you this would be a very limited defense). Assume that you were hired to write “An Introduction to the Japanese” for some reason. But you don’t speak Japanese, have never been to Japan, and your internet is so inconsistent that all you’ve got to work with is a few old anime videos and the collected… Read more »

Hi- Ya!
Hi- Ya!
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

very instructive description of the historians challenges, thank you

Severian
Reply to  Hi- Ya!
2 years ago

This is of course not to diminish the role of ideology – lots of them *are* rabid ideologues, and even the ones that aren’t rabid are far Left. All I mean to say is that I don’t think “starting with an ideologically predetermined conclusion” is as common as outsiders think. They think they’re following the evidence. It’s just that what they don’t know is so vast that “the evidence” can only point to a few basic things.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

All ideologies are psychological warfare campaigns, and they only work on the ideological-ize-able.

[HINT: Insula versus Amygdala…]

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

Always interesting to lift the robes on the academic clergy. Reminds me a bit of Dalrymple. He worked with criminals and the insane as well and came to many similar conclusions.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Screwtape
2 years ago

The problem with academics is they can’t do anything remotely useful. This will exacerbate as we head for collapse, chaos and ruin. Who needs a professor when heads are rolling…nobody.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Dennis Roe
2 years ago

Some of them especially any young comely ladies might make good slaves.

And yes I jest, some.

Slavery is already a problem in California and elsewhere with illegal weed production and sex work and who knows what else. That old evil is certain to reoccur.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

You came up through the ranks after I did, Severian. When I took the GRE–1994 and 1995–the quantitative portion was still very much a requirement. But what you mention is just further proof of dumbing down in academia. Not so very long ago a relatively high baseline of intelligence was required to obtain a Ph.D. and to become a professor. No more. The professoriate has always had more than its fair share of fools, of course. Now, alas, it is becoming inundated with idiots, to boot. PS–I was recently speaking to a history prof who was my informal mentor when… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
2 years ago

The dissident project is about “re-centering a people on the foundation of their past so they can once again reach for the stars.” True, and nicely said.

Yak-15
Yak-15
2 years ago

To ourselves and our posterity

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

I’m working my way through Plato now. It’ll take a long time. However, rhetoric and sophistry frequently make their appearance. Rhetoricians were clever orators who were skilled at persuasion but light on content (ie., politicians); Sophists were cunning and specious debaters, what we’d call “gaslighting” today. Clearly, this skills and others are helpful in re-writing the past. Whoever said “The winners write history” was only partially correct. It’s those who keep the archives, and update it to suit current policy, who control the past. The Winston Smiths, if you like. When the Idealists are in control, whether they were the… Read more »

Hi- Ya!
Hi- Ya!
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

I just finished Gorgias and Platagorus, and I read a few smaller ones too.

I don’t know what to make of it yet. But I do see the seeds of Aristotle, who was the seeds of St. Thomas. So I’m reading it in that view.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

Slightly off topic here but I’ve been trying to read more of “the Classics” that educated men would have been made to study. I’m not just looking for a list of books but any convincing arguments as to whether to read online, hardcopy, audio-book, brain implant chip (just kidding). I’ll also consider non-Western stuff. Right before the Coof Panic shut down my gym I was listening to The Art of War (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biZnHA-e73A) while on the treadmill. Plato is an obvious pick but a lot of the modern lists of classics are compiled by wokists whose entire point is “look how… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

The internet is your friend. In the first place, virtually all of “the Classics” are public domain (unless a recent edition, clearly). That means you can get an ebook version or (less available) audio book. Archive.org, gutenberg.org, and librivox.org are my go-to places. If you use a Bittorrent client, there are plenty of similar public domain collections available, including from the above sites. Naturally your local library should have some. I’m not even opposed to printed books, but I hope you will be able to avoid fattening the wallet of Amazon and their globohomo partners-in-exploitation. What to read? There’s probably… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

you can get the harvard classics set of books free, or for $2 from amazon. these are from the 1920’s harvard and represent the best in human knowledge at the time.

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago
Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

Plato was one of the most very wickedest men ever to walk the face of the earth.

To read Plato is to read pure unadulterated Evil.

FeinGul
FeinGul
2 years ago

Z, thank you for this clarification of the Dissident Project. “ At the core, the dissident project is about peeling back the layers of lies and fabrications like second founding theory. History is a story of a people and our story has been rewritten by strangers who see us as enemies. Correcting the record is not just an exercise in trivial exactitude. It is about re-centering a people on the foundation of their past so they can once again reach for the stars. If the folks at the Bulwark want to know “what they hell is happening” there is the… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  FeinGul
2 years ago

Yes, but the exercise of power does not have to include the slaughter of innocents. There is a better way. Power should be used sparingly and be highly focused on the root of the problem. As Z has pointed out in recent posts & podcasts, the disease models as an emergent behavior like that found in bird flocks and fish schools. You just need to focus on a few cells and the rest will follow en masse.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

TomA,

Those with power decide that.

And the winner- won’t care.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

TomA: Yes, but the” exercise of power does not have to include the slaughter of innocents.”

Tom, what is your opinion of what the Allies did to Dresden? Hiroshima?

Basil Ransom
Basil Ransom
2 years ago

My beef with Jaffa is the whole idea that Lincoln was consciously trying to reforge the American Union. Everything he did during the war suggests a desperate, improvisational quality to each and every act. He knew his mandate for the presidency was slim and his actions against the copperheads and other southern sympathizers suggest he was well aware that he was staying in power on a wing and a prayer. All indications for postwar policy point to him taking the ex-slaves and shipping them somewhere far away from the shores of the US. Point being, he was far too busy… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Basil Ransom
2 years ago

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? How many different ways are there of interpreting Lincoln’s words and actions based upon events that took place 150 years ago? How many differing opinions can you extract from a confab of “experts” debating Lincoln’s legacy? How many divisions does the Pope have?

When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail.
When all you have are words, every solution looks like a debate.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

That is brilliant TomA,
And I’m stealing it.

“ When all you have are words, every solution looks like a debate.”

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Basil Ransom
2 years ago

Yes. The excellent book on the Civil War period “The Fall of the House of Dixie” does a very good job of outlining the incremental, improvisational quality of Lincoln’s presidency. The amount of revisionist history around Lincoln just fills an ideological need among the Left and retconners.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Basil Ransom
2 years ago

Basil; Agreed. Lincoln was neither the messianic figure of Jaffa, et al, nor was he the satanic villain as portrayed by some. Just to begin with, he was *not* a New England Abolitionist absolutist. His 1860 platform was ‘Free Soil* and Union’, *not* freeing the slaves, per se. After the war began, as you say, he was, first of all, mostly just trying to hold his coalition together. He was very open about this. As evidence, here’s a link to his famous letter to abolitionist Horace Greeley. http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm The money quote: “My paramount object in this struggle is to save… Read more »

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  Al from da Nort
2 years ago

Thank you, it is so lost to history that Lincoln and the Republicans we’re trying to Keep the slaves from taking work from free men.

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
Reply to  Al from da Nort
2 years ago

What Western Territories were slaves going to be working in? Neither the terrain nor the climate were suitable for the kinds of cash crops that would make chattel slavery profitable. Beyond a fringe of southeastern Kansas, there was really nowhere a planter could go and make money from slave labor. By the time of the troubles in Kansas, Cyrus McCormick had already invented the threshing machine. There may have been a possibility of introducing slavery to the irrigated lands of the Southwest, but by the time those areas were being settled and irrigations systems buit, machines were replacing human labor… Read more »

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 years ago

Epi; All of what you said is mostly true. But it is also mostly irrelevant to the world of 1856 US politics when the Republican Party was formed. There was very little common knowledge about agricultural conditions W of the Mississippi at that time. Besides this, there was no shortage of lying hucksters extolling ‘the bountiful West’. Those hucksters were trying to induce gullible settlers to migrate W in order to make their own land speculations pay off. Who can predict future inventions and their commercial success today_? Why would that situation not apply to the world of 1856_? In… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

Integral to the idea of a “proposition nation”, a nation of ideas, is the religious foundation of the people writing the story.

One people can see their God. He looks like them, has a name, and once walked amongst them, as one of them.

Another people cannot. He has no name, no face, and can be anything.

Now, which story is more likely to rooted in blood and soil reality, versus anything our imagination needs it to be at the moment?

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Yes once a nation is something you cn conjur from the ether, a proposition, the rest is a matter of who owns the inkwell.

The gum on the soul of the progressive jackboot that is the “proposition nation” is like the joke with the punchline: “we’ve already established you are a whore, now we are just negotiating your price.”

AnotherAnon
AnotherAnon
2 years ago

Christopher Caldwell had the opportunity to step up to the plate as Claremont’s most influential member, with his latest book, “The Age of Entitlement”. It’s probably the most important book this century and it clearly shows how the post 1965 State itself was altered to act as both carrot and stick for enforcing the DIE agenda (and all its offshoots, present and future). Caldwell does successfully put everything onto paper, but he stops shy of connecting the dots. Inferring what can and must be done is left to the reader. Zman, a couple of months ago, you cited a talk… Read more »

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  AnotherAnon
2 years ago

The opiate of prog status is something we all must confront if we are to be honest about which God we serve and to which people we desire to live on. Who are we? Cannot exist in the blood and soil if we serve the cloud gods. This affliction takes a representative from flyover and turns her into a beltway cocktail whore by night and twitter warrior by day. Our perspective from dirt looking up at the balcony reveals the elixir of prog status to be rather obvious. What is less obvious is the myriad of ways in which we… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Screwtape
2 years ago

I’ve found that the way to cut the legs out from under both Progs and their (((kindred spirits))) is to tell them “I’m pagan” They have no answer for it and can’t even begin to think on how to use it against you. It also helps that I am being serious. I mean, I see a lot of wisdom in the old folkways, and if I am any “ist” it would be a naturalist, and that goes hand in glove with a pagan. And when I tell them quite seriously that I am part wolf and part dolphin, they almost… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  AnotherAnon
2 years ago

Yes, I just finished “Age of Entitlement.” I get the same idea of Caldwell. While overall I think his arguments in the book are firmly in the DR camp, he clearly throws in a few sops to modern (Liberal, Zionist, whatever) sensibilities. For example, in his critique of the Eugenics movement of a century or more ago (in fairness he covers both sides of that volatile issue) he mentions how the evil strict immigration laws of the USA (1920s onward) forbade the U.S. consulate to let in the flow of Jews and other refugees who needed asylum in the years… Read more »

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

I don’t know what Caldwell knows but there were times I felt the book sounded how I imagine one written by a full fledged amren type would sound like but with the more R-rated stuff removed.

Gauss
Gauss
Reply to  AnotherAnon
2 years ago

Guys like Caldwell and Charles Murray can’t quite connect the dots because it’s too big a leap for them. After being indoctrinated in CivNat ideology for decades it’s hard to do a 180. Some of these folks will tell you what they really think in private or if you get a few drinks in ‘em but otherwise they don’t step too far out of line.

I’ve only encountered one exception among high-profile figures and she (yup, it was a woman) has paid the price but doesn’t care.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Gauss
2 years ago

A Nicole Fuentes, as it were 🙂

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Gauss
2 years ago

Nah. They get it.

Caldwell still has to earn a living.

Murray is in his twilight years. His latest book should’ve been written in such a way that made him banned on Amazon.

Rush Limbaugh did the same. Very disappointing.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  AnotherAnon
2 years ago

AnotherAnon: Very well said. I have been accused of purity spiraling for not hastening to welcome erstwhile ‘allies’ whom I consider right liberals getting rather concerned that their project is getting out of hand. Your reminder that they ‘have a foot in both camps’ is duly noted. I shall attempt to moderate my words.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

Please do not, and accept my full and sincere apology.

I abase myself. Your experience, education, and full throated defense of your people and of honest womenhood- all while eyeing the snakepit that Dallas is becoming- is of far more value than the rambling of a rather ignorant lunatic.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Alzaebo – You are fully entitled to your opinion, AND you are right – I do need to learn to moderate my words. But I still don’t consider Abigail Shrier an ally.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

You are most kind, madam. Much appreciated.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 years ago

I’m familiar with Larry Arne. He has that Hillsdale scam where he rakes in a million a year as the chief priest of the Lincoln cult. One thing that jumped out at me was remembering an old Pat Buchanan saying that the Declaration of Independence was actually the birth certificate of a nation already born in the hearts of men of a certain culture and ethnicity. I think that says it pretty succinctly. These “founding documents” are mere outcroppings of something that was designed to produce them. A rose bush creates a rose. By replacing a nation of European whites… Read more »

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

‘In a slightly different context, John Derbyshire noted that some people have an unnatural skill at creating “elaborate, plausible, and intellectually very challenging systems that do not, in fact, have any truth content”.’ I actually do believe that some, SOME, historians in the past have been RELATIVELY honest and followed the evidence wherever it led. I was raised on Will Durant’s History of Civilization and The Lessons of History. I know he had many preconceptions, but overall, he was a RELATIVELY honest and ethical historian of “the big picture.” However, today’s historians that make a living out of telling people… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

Excellent point. Let’s hope that South Africa is successful in exiling or otherwise destroying the remaining non-indigenous people, who clearly have been the source of the centuries of misery that continent has suffered, up to and including the current riots, looting, injuries and deaths.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

The joggers there are done for, once their little fun is over they’re gonna experience starvation at a national level.
South Africa ain’t the united states where there’s still enough abundance to keep welfare still going.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

Edward Gibbon was the best historical writer, ever. Period.

Knew gods how many languages. Published an epic work that is still examined 400 years later. Influential in politics and as a writer.

Severian would probably tell you (correctly) that nearly all of today’s “historians” are complete poseurs.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

I like the Geo III quote upon being gifted with Gibbons’ latest “Another damned great thick book, always scribble scribble scribble, Eh, Mr Gibbons?”

Old George gets a lot of bad press for some reason.

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

Obviously there is some value in educating others about current events and the malefactors publishing literary insanity on the internet media pages. But that education only has usefulness if you believe that we are going to talk our way out of the mess we’re in. In theory, this new insight would enable you to more effectively persuade others that The Bad Guys are totally wrong and, voila, the light bulb goes off, everyone change their minds and miraculously become sane. The problem with this is that natural selection has been extinct for a few millennia now and DNA pollution is… Read more »

Fred Beans
Fred Beans
2 years ago

I remember an article in the National Review, early 1981, when MLK’s birthday was formalized as a national holiday. I recall it cautioning against what was the right’s wholesale embrace of MLK, even though many of his philosophies were opposed to conservative principles. It’s been amusing over the years observing conservative commentators just assuming that MLK would be a supporter of free market capitalism, anti-affirmative action, etc. I believe they had this vision that if MLK had survived, he’d be marching arm-in-arm with Ward Connerly (black activist who fought affirmative action in California in the 80s) in protest of minority… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Fred Beans
2 years ago

It is an open question how many Conservatism, Inc. hacks understand the truth about MLK but lie about him and how many truly believe the myths that have been created about him. The younger ones clearly believe the myths. I wonder how many current writers for National Review have read much of the archives and how they reconcile what was written then with what the magazine’s editors write today. I remember how pissed Jim Geraghty was when at some point during the 2016 Presidential primary cycle, several of us in the comments started comparing them to the Washington Generals. He… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Fred Beans
2 years ago

For research purposes I just visited The Root and found their take on MLK in the comments…familiar:
RightWhite: Conservatives are idiots, King was a communist who hated white people.
BlackyBlacks: Conservatives are idiots, King was a communist who hated white people.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

Finally. Intersectionality defined.

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
2 years ago

The paid buffoon shills at the Bulwark aside, it’s really remarkable how far to the Left ConInc has moved in the last ten years. I mean, with regard to the Claremont attack, there is nothing that the Claremont Institute believes in, as cited in the attack piece, that William Buckley or Russell Kirk, supposedly the founders of movement conservatism, would have disagreed with – Hell, Jonah Frickin Goldberg would have agreed with 95% of it ten years ago. The move left has been relentless, and fast, and it started before Trump. It sounds odd, but I believe that the collapse… Read more »

SigmundF
SigmundF
Reply to  Altitude Zero
2 years ago

Well– can’t really blame Jaffa for that.

My only 2 points of reference to this fellow’s output is that he really liked Lincoln and he really hated any legal lenience toward paraphilic intercourse of the Greek variety.

I’ve heard about the name & his books so many times, couldn’t be bothered to read them but when I do see a journalist writing some errata about him, it tends to be about one of (why not both?) those topics.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Altitude Zero
2 years ago

TheZman is right:

Whenever you see the word “Pride”, substitute the word “sodomy”.

We live in very decadent times.

JohnWayne
JohnWayne
2 years ago

Nice to see that John Derbyshire quote. He is one of our greatest and one of our most under rated writers/thinkers. Quote JD again any ol’time.

JohnDerbyshire.com

Federalist
Federalist
2 years ago

What group of people have this “certain historical outlook” and a “facility for language”?

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 years ago

We live in truly remarkable times, do we not? Selling historical revisionism used to be child’s play, back in the good ol’ days of gate keepers, paper, and printing presses. Now? Unsavoury poisoned minds, dissidents, and Pepe The Frog are around the world twice and home for coffee by the time the shitlibs cook up their steaming crocks of docudrama. Belief in their dreck is strictly voluntary – and this is where the dissidents fall down. Hell’s bells – we have the library of Alexandria at our fingertips, everything is only a click of the mouse away! There should be… Read more »

cameron
cameron
2 years ago

“some people have an unnatural skill at creating “elaborate, plausible, and intellectually very challenging systems that do not, in fact, have any truth content”

In order to be believable lies, they have to be elaborate and intellectually challenging.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

I think you’re right. That’s why there is such a great market for these ‘challenging’ lies, particularly in the middle classes. People who have never lifted a finger to learn the basics about groundwater, how to sharpen a knife, or how clouds are formed just want you to know how knowledgeable they are. I see it all the time. The important thing is to be seen believing, and also heard divulging, such challenging lies. People’s beliefs tend to come and go out of fashion like clothes. Covid is a good modern example. This is why it is important to think… Read more »

cameron
cameron
2 years ago

Is it indecent to point out that Harry Jaffa was Jewish?

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

It is without the obligatory triple parentheses.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

🙂 We can speak with relative freedom here. Hell, the topics we discuss here would be banned in short order from any social media site I’m aware of. I’m guessing Z-man doesn’t have much of a presence on those, even if he’s not (“yet”) received the scorched earth Nick Fuentes treatment.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

In re: Nick Fuentes.

I can’t spare this man. He fights.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

I was afraid to look.
You can’t say that, anyways, because both of his parents were gassed before he was born.

cameron
cameron
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

I honestly didn’t know until I looked it up just now. Somehow in my mind, I guess I thought a Lincoln scholar, someone who felt he had the authority to proclaim the meaning of the founding of this British nation, would in some way be quasi-old stock – really foolish of me.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

Strauss, too, apparently.

I once asked on here if any people had so fully embraced modernity as Jews. Somebody replied that, no, they’d created it, which I thought was a stretch. But by the day it seems I discover another influential Jewish figure! And of course, less notable gentile figures whose thinking I often find myself agreeing with.

cameron
cameron
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

The host here is not jew obsessed so it’s not like he goes looking for examples to cherry pick.

cameron
cameron
2 years ago

Thomas Fleming of the Rockford Institute used to refer to him as “Mad Harry Jaffa.” Mad as in crazy.

Ulithi
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

Once Fleming left Chronicles the magazine suffered.

cameron
cameron
Reply to  Ulithi
2 years ago

The irony – Paul Gottfried runs it now. They hate each other.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Ulithi
2 years ago

The biggest loss for Chronicles is when Sam Francis passed away.

ArthurinCali
ArthurinCali
2 years ago

This process of rewriting the historical record leads to some peculiar outcomes, especially when the new narrative is involved. Robert E. Lee is the foreshadowing of 20th century Hilter according to the updated version. However, if it is pointed out to a Progressive-Leftist that Lincoln asked a Southern slave owning Virginian to lead the Northern army to bring the states back into the fold, a blank stare or confusion settles across their face. Pointing out that the Emancipation Proclamation had zero effect on the status of slaves in the Union states that didn’t secede is futile as well. Today’s knowledge… Read more »

Muhammad Izadi
Reply to  ArthurinCali
2 years ago

I think much of the blame rests with Whiggish historiography.

Pickle Rick
Pickle Rick
Reply to  ArthurinCali
2 years ago

Lincoln got another Virginian to betray his people and lead the United States Army in 1861. Winfield Scott.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  ArthurinCali
2 years ago

Apparently little knowledge of the not very kind treatment that prisoners of war received, on either side. Scant as my knowledge of history is, even I have heard of [quickly Googles for data…] Curiously, Andersonville is first result for the worst (the Confederacy’s fault, of course). I had to dig deeper to find the Union’s answer: Camp Douglas.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

I kind of think that Jaffa-ism is a weird sort of white/jewish version of kangz and/or nation of islam.

nailheadtom
nailheadtom
2 years ago

The Civil War, however, was not a continuation of a cultural dispute dating back to the English Civil War…. It was absolutely. As was the American Revolution itself. For many centuries royalty, kings in particular, stood between the aristocracy and the commoners, looking out for the interests of the general population and the country itself. They sometimes misconceived their role and at other times failed while accepting it but nevertheless their duty it was. The failure of Cromwell’s Puritan regime in the UK meant that it could only survive in the New World, which it did. New England Puritan thought… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  nailheadtom
2 years ago

I think it was Hoffer that noted the Roundheads ranks were swollen by urban poor who had been pushed off the land by the enclosures. And that the roundheads would not have been triumphant without that element.

So in a way, that was another fallout of the Norman conquest and their dispossession of the native English.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  nailheadtom
2 years ago

Superb. Very interesting is the idea that “royalty, kings in particular, stood between the aristocracy and the commoners”. That places them in the middle, as a limiting factor, not the top, as a State tyrant. Thus, constitutional monarchies for the modern, literate age. Note that in the ancient empires, emperors were the middlemen between the gods above and the people below. Pretty much every empire styled itself as a kingdom of Heaven, with the emperor divine, legitimately representing his people to the gods. A limiting factor, the Face of a national family with sanctioned authority. If that face of the… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

It’s odd that such a thoughtful comment can be birthed from such a complete misunderstanding of what you wrote.

cameron
cameron
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Yeah I thought the same thing. Good job in making his point but he was preaching to the choir. Oh well – I sometimes read these columns fast and carelessly.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Did not Cromwell and his Puritans bring Democracy to the Colonies?

Jaffa gave us Lord Protector Lincoln, just as his people, wanting back into Albion, brought up Cromwell and the corrupt Parliamentarian aristocracy.

Of course the story is revised by the priesthood to justify the victory, and excuse the bloodshed.

The question now is a King, or even a Lord Protector, possible in a multicultural democracy?

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Yer gonna get warlords, and the winner decides.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  FeinGul
2 years ago

Actually, I was trying way too hard- but you are correct, I’d erased the part about the coming Period of Warring States.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  nailheadtom
2 years ago

Times change, terms change, but in the end it always comes down to hierarchy vs equality. Heirarchists suffer from the vice of high-handedness, but the egalitarians always become the most vindictive tyrants when they achieve power.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

To put a finer point on it, I’m not sure whether or not you’re implying the Puritans played the aristocratic role.

In any case, I’d argue they were outside of the political hierarchy. Bourgeois, Levelers, feminizers, proto-Marxists, Judaizers (as EMJ would say)— pick your term. Revenge of the Nerds.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Played the outsiders in the hierarchy. (There are times when I miss the EDIT button)

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Agree. They were offered a deal as conquistadors.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

I’m intrigued. Have to ask, by whom?

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  nailheadtom
2 years ago

Trump tried to play the role of the king protecting the commoners but, unfortunately, failed.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
2 years ago

The main characteristic of the Left/Prog restaurant is that there is an intellectual dish for all tastes. The revisionist History stuff Zman discusses here is just one of the items on a big menu: For the Blacks: the 1619/CRT/reparations stew For the alphabet soup: the right to show your junk in a day spa or marry your dog For the guilty Whites: the “Second Founding” souffle’, “Equity” omelet For the Hispanic immigrants: welfare state tacos And finally, for the rest: just steak tartare – the raw power of the State. The raw stuff attracts bureaucrats, the subcons, many Asians, the… Read more »

Pozymandias
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

The problem with having a large menu is that you need a large kitchen staff. I think of the bloated American university system and media as that kitchen. It grinds out all these different flavors of propaganda for all these different factions. This worked for a long time because they all saw Whitey as the common enemy. What we started to see in 2020 was a power struggle among all the different groups. Given that their “ideology” is a mass of contradictory impulses this could be very bloody indeed. You won’t see gangs of Pajeets and Jews having knife fights… Read more »

Member
2 years ago

There’s a new way to mess with left – demand that we open up our country to white refugees from S, Africa. Where I live, in the Great White North, it would be deeply amusing to watch our leader squirm when asked why we are not accepting white S. Africans as refugees.

WJ0216
WJ0216
Reply to  Raymond Reichelt
2 years ago

Idly web surfing I ran across a web site dedicated to helping SA citizens emigrate to Australia. Reading the open forum I thought there would be some good tidbits about why they were leaving. Nothing in that forum. No mention of the elephant in the room. Just a little talk of rising crime rates and bad schools. Even those SA citizens leaving are good whites, probably supported Mandela but are leaving still for obvious reasons. They just wont say it. It’s infuriating.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  WJ0216
2 years ago

They dare not say it. ANC bureaucrats hold their travel papers in their hands.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Alzaebo – it’s not the fear of the ANC bureaucrats but even more the fear of the Australian or New Zealand ones, who would be quick to refuse entry to any avowed raycist. Plus, even once they’ve escaped the South African hell, a lot of the emigres try to keep their heads down and fit in socially, and that involves the usual pieties about race.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

Not the South Africans I know. They are all pretty vocal about both blecks and Juice Incidentally, they were the DR before it even existed, in terms of their mindset But then so was everyone else prior to 1982 or thereabouts when everyone started putting on an act and pretending they never made black or Juice jokes even 10 minutes ago. But it is highly highly highly improbable that as people get older they don’t find themselves reverting back to their roots or to their thoughts when they were younger and life in the west was far more open and… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Raymond Reichelt
2 years ago

What I fear will happen is that White SA’s will be set upon by an aroused Black populous and before the world will declare a genocide in progress, their numbers will be reduced substantially. The White SA’s are preparing to hold out under such attack in the hope of holding off extermination until an embarrassed world comes to their rescue.

A drowning man clutches at straws.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

I thought overpopulation and fratricide were what pushed Europeans into the New World, not some lofty social experiment by eggheads.

That, and a bunch of inventions by white people like longitude and deepwater ships.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

The original puritans and the quakers came to North America to build utopia. Others came for more undone reasons.

Overall though, most immigrants came here to get rich quick.
That’s really our founding ethic. Which reverberates today. Whether the dissident right likes it or not.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

My ancestors came here because Americans were practically giving away valuable farmland. Nothing wrong with that, but it wasn’t because of any garbage about equality or democracy.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

“Overall though, most immigrants came here to get rich quick.”

Isn’t this pretty much the bottom line of the ‘American Dream’?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Pretty much The country was founded for pragmatic expansionary reasons, adventure, and fairly pedestrian desires such as getting rich. Or rather I’ll rephrase it; not “founded” but “driven by.” And that’s where the problems start imo. Because society’s “priests” or the people who feel it their obligation to give some kind of mythological or religious context to this project have fixed on the puritanical themes. Thus, it was not simply a bunch of guys coming here for whatever reason, but a “founding” borne of religiosity and a moralistic enterprise. That creates a massive disconnect between the reality of why people… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Pretty sure mine were redcoats who came to fight the French and Indians. Liked it enough to stay and fight for independence. Simply wanting your own nation— what a thought!

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Not only an English disease. The Spanish had it at least a century or two earlier. Hernan Cortes, early Conquistador, is possibly misquoted as saying (in good Castilian of course) that “We came to save souls, but also to get rich.” Even if the quote isn’t accurate, the stated and actual motives of the colonization are.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

John Harrison, the man who effectively solved the longitude problem in ever greater increments with his sea-going clocks, H1, H2, H3 and H4, must surely be one of the greatest geniuses who ever lived. At the time, this problem was considered so difficult, that is it alleged even lifelong virgin, antagonistic bell-end, and part time theologian Sir Isaac Newton reasoned that it could not be done. I jest when I say those things about Newton, of course; but the point is Harrison’s undertaking was monumental, not just intellectually, but also from a practical standpoint. He was, if I recall, a… Read more »

Anonymous Bosch
Anonymous Bosch
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

I think your chronology is wrong. Influx from extra-Europe occurred before Europeans pushed out into the world.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

Memo for future empires: Emigration to new lands permissible and even encouraged. Immigration back to Mother Country forbidden under any and all circumstances.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

OrangeFrog: I visited the Maritime Museum back in 1980, but was still so ignorant at the time as to Harrison’s historical import. Wish I could go back and slap my younger self. So many missed opportunities.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

Good for you my dear. That was four years before I was born, so I reckon it may have even been quite white then. A double plus: Harrison’s clocks (H4 is a staggeringly complex piece of machinery) and a lesser chance of mugging.

Severian
2 years ago

Pro history is a lot like pro wrestling. There are a few Heels, a few Faces, and a whole bunch of Jobbers. The Faces get away with anything – e.g. proven plagiarist Doris Kearns Goodwin, or Michael Bellesisles (still employed in academia). Their function is to push the narrative, and the Jobbers’ job is to run with it… which they are happy to do, for entirely mercenary reasons (only “original” “research” gets published). Indeed, when I first started, decades ago, I was told that teaching is “an inherently political act,” so go ahead and use your classroom as a soapbox.… Read more »

ChickenGeorge
ChickenGeorge
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Did Doris Kearns Goodwin have sex with LBJ during her days ‘on the ranch’? The guy slept with everything that moved, and that category would include a women as homely as young Doris. Maybe she can speak on this?

Caro books be damned, hers has the subtitle, “The Most Revealing… Ever” in it. Caro a foppish TDS sufferer, yes, but still authored the multi-volume bio that I would, since I read them all, put ahead of Ms. Goodwin’s weak sauce, which I also read part of. I could not finish it, it was so bad.

Severian
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

It did indeed win the Bancroft (which is basically the Nobel Prize of American History, for those who don’t know the arcana). I don’t have the link to hand, but the whole saga started because an amateur, a lawyer, started digging into it. Nobody in the biz could be bothered, even though situations of that sort — “this one record group that explicitly says exactly what I need it to, that no one has ever heard of before” — are *always* bullshit (Bellesisles wasn’t the only one who ever tried it, by a long shot). Specifically, he cited records that… Read more »

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Bellesiles was sanctioned by the history profession. But that was 20 years ago. Probably wouldn’t happen today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arming_America

Severian
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

@Jack Bonifce, google up “Michael Bellesisles today” and find out what a censure by the history profession is worth. The fact that I’m about to quote from a New York Times article about his rehabilitation should give you an indication: “Mr. Bellesiles, who has been teaching history part time at Central Connecticut State University in New Britain while working two other part-time jobs, did precisely what he had hoped to avoid: revive the controversy about “Arming America.” Then, in June, an article he wrote for The Chronicle of Higher Education about teaching students military history during wartime stoked further discussion… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

I remember when it used to be “queer as a two dollar bill.” Good times.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

The first propositional nation was Christianity.

Which means that styling America as a propositional nation is a religious conception. A particularly aggressive and proselytizing one, that will tolerate no competing faiths and recognize no geographic limits.

Pickle Rick
Pickle Rick
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Which is why that Yankee song written by that abolitionist fanatic woman, Julia Howe, perfectly encapsulates the insanity of her Puritan New England class and her Black Republican martyr, Lincoln, which first destroyed the South, and is busily consuming the rest of the world. “ In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me. As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on. (Chorus) Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Our God is… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Pickle Rick
2 years ago

Shortly before I left my last—and final—organized church, we’d sing any number of familiar hymns. “Battle Hymn” was my favorite—better than a cup of strong coffee in the morning.

Until one day, they changed the lyric

“As He died to make men holy, let us *die* to make men free,”

to

“As He died to make men holy, let us *live* to make men free,”

Nothing escapes Leftist revision.

Pickle Rick
Pickle Rick
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

My hymns are sung in Latin, and not written by crazy women who were delighted to kill my Southern ancestors by the hundreds of thousands for their precious Negroes, so you’ll have to pardon me for saying God damn that song and the black hearted bitch who wrote it.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Composci: I thought for sure they’d take out any mention of Christ. That’ll come a bit later. Everything has its utility and its expiration date and they’ll find and use both.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

I don’t know about that?
There is spiritual or metaphysical equality and their is social equality. The apostle Paul had no problem returning the slave Philemon to his master. I don’t think the apostle believed in the modern progressive Christian idea of social equality.
I also just cannot see the apostles running around advocating that the Greeks or Romans would be enriched by more Ethiopians.
What we are living in is a perversion of Christianity.
True, Christianity is universal. But only in a spiritual or metaphysical sense.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
2 years ago

There’s quotes in the Bible of Jesus telling his followers to reject their parents and families. And that their fellow cultists are their family now.

That type of belonging was one of the major draws of Christianity in its first several centuries. Especially in the fourth when the influential bishops were preaching a community of poor – and rejection of the preceding local identities.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

True, it’s there. And just like the words of the Declaration of Independence about equality. Those words in that section of the Bible can be taken and run with to no end. Christ was probably talking about His rejection by the Jewish leadership and social structure of His time. I don’t think He was advocating for Christianity to break up the family structure. Obey your father and mother is a part of the teachings and commands of Moses and Christianity after all. However I will grant that Christianity is a universal religion frought with many ways to use it for… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Your last paragraph almost perfectly mirrors Nietzsche’s various critiques of the founding of Christianity. He deals with topics sometimes scattered about his various books. But a core one is his essay “The First Christian,” of St. Paul. Paul was, says Nietzsche, looking for a way to update Judaism into something new. He took the teachings of the Nazarene, incorporated philosophy of Plato, and made his new faith more popular by incorporating aspects from various Pagan traditions then popular. Among these included resurrection, eternal life and championing the plight of the poor against the rich. “Inversion” or “transvaluation” of values will… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

There is plenty of scripture besides Paul that references an afterlife. Maccabees for starters – why pray for the dead if they’re, you know, dead (which is why editing 1000+ years after the fact causes issues). So not sure how much of an “innovation” that was. IIRC there were different schools of thought within ancient Judaism on the afterlife question.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

And yet the Pope crowned kings and emperors, and mediated disputes among nations.

Exiting the Cithaeron
Exiting the Cithaeron
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
2 years ago

Agreed – the modern day cult is essentially a heresy gone to seed. In the absence of a vital Church to reign in the loons, the heresy has gained institutional support.

All madness ends eventually. In our era, sane men need to assert themselves. They stand like Pentheus, transfixed before the mad cult of Dionysus to the point of being devoured by it. Where Pentheus failed, the sane of this era must succeed.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

The translation I usually see with respect to the great commission is “make disciples of all nations” which seems to presuppose the existence of nations. Didn’t say destroy them or make them disappear. Much like you can be both an Italian and a capitalist. They are not mutually exclusive categories.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

c matt: Those ‘nations’ are still separate nations in heaven. There’s a distinct difference between spiritual salvation and earthly miscegenation. And nowhere did Jesus speak against slavery or servitude, only on mutual social obligations. The only slavery part I recall was Moses et al, now used as justification for so much evil.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

The Bible (indeed, probably any venerated holy text) can justify great good – or great evil. Here’s a few examples (I don’t have citations tho.)

Abolitionist? Quote Jesus: “He came to set the captives free. Those in darkness have seen a great light.” Etc.

Slaver? “Servants (or Slaves) obey your masters.” Or the letter to Philemon, already mentioned today.

As [?] said, the Devil can cite scripture for his own purposes (and he does, in the temptation of Jesus). So can everybody else!

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

You think ? I mean, the Romans did the same thing. bringing “civilization” to the hordes. In fact, it always seemed to me that the spread of Christianity was a like the kid brother’s attempt at playing a Roman. And before them the Greeks. My Greek friend never forgets to hit me over the head with the fact that the Romans stole pretty much everything from his people. And I say, ok, except for the butt plugging. And I suppose aqueducts. Point being, as people have long maintained, the English essentially carried the torch of the Greek Empire, or western… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
2 years ago

> Erasing a man from a picture and banning any mention of him still leaves a hole. Rewriting the man’s history, weaving it into the story of the opponents solves two problems. One of the greatest memory-holes of history is that Rhodesia even existed at all. It’s especially that way because it showed what might be the greatest resistance of Whites to an existential threat, and also their greatest betrayal by fellow whites. As the new state of Zimbabwe collapsed into a typical African country, they had to ignore any memory of the peaceful and stable country that the West… Read more »

Severian
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

SA will be a great test of what, if anything, remains of Whitey’s testicular fortitude. Afrikaaners were once like Canadians, Aussies, and New Zealanders, in that they punched WAY above their weight class militarily. Even the Japanese feared them.

Now? I guess we’ll see. As for the rest, I’ll just note that my tablet’s autocorrect changes “Aussies” to “sissies”… and they’re still pretty macho compared to us decadents here in the Evil Empire.

Frankforce
Frankforce
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

“I met an Afrikaner…” I met one too. Asked him why he didn’t stay and fight for his country, told me he “wanted better for his children…” So emigrated here to USA. We are playing tennis, and there are these two middle aged white guys in the parking lot across the street from the courts flying electric radio control planes. Big ones. So they start entertaining themselves by flying over the courts, where we two were the only ones playing. This agitates my SA friend. I shout over to these clowns, they ignore me. I tell Mr. SA that one… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Frankforce, I recently had a similar situation at a gas station with a little foreigner who parked in front of the air pump station and went inside to shop. When he came out five minutes later I gave him a few choice words about where to park. He challenged me to a fist fight, and my adrenaline almost got the better of me. I was a good high school wrestler and can bench 225. He weighed about 140 pounds. So I knew I would crush him like a bug with one or two punches. But I quickly remembered the world… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

I met one SA’er at a conference here in the desert. He and I were the lone spouses—it was the wives’ conference. One of the resort features was an evening bedding-down of a large herd of Javelina, which are best describe as a type of native, pig-like, desert animal. There were many visitors from other lands who had never seen these animals in their native environment before. This nightly herd bedding was an advertised attraction. This SA’er was I believe a Boer farmer and he was observing with me and few dozen others. He scoffed and said they were just… Read more »

Hi- Ya!
Hi- Ya!
Member
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

My onyl contact with SA’s was a woman. I was in college in Ireland for a semester and she was living with her irish boyfriend she met at, ahem, a kibbutz.

She was sooo bossy, and I hated her accent.

That was in the early 90s.

Incidentally, her Irish boyfriend gave us americans the initial tour around campus (Galway). A coed from Bard college asked where the Lesbain and Gay club was, he assured her they had one, and that Ireland was A-O-Gay.

I was clueless in those days.

Frankforce
Frankforce
Reply to  Hi- Ya!
2 years ago

“But it’s a different world today.”

I get you, but only intellectually. My nature overrides that programming if you push too far. But I also have training and experience to handle myself in these situations that comes through the transgressors backed down.

Spending a night in jail would not stop me from straightening you out if you fucked with one of mine. Let little things slide, then medium. Then large. Don’t ask ‘wha happint’ when it all goes to shit.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Hi- Ya!
2 years ago

She’s Sud Efriken. she’s got a grudge. it’s where she keeps her Kaa.

Severian
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Vox Day thinks Anders Brevik will be canonized before too long; I think Ian Smith and Hendrick Verwoerd are much likelier candidates.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

We’ll accept any immigrant but the Afrikaaner and Boer.

If that doesn’t say it all, I don’t know what does. I guess we were afraid of their inherent racism.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Biden’s administration said just the other day that they don’t want and will stop people fleeing from Cuba from entering the US. Not that I disagree, but their only doing it because those people will be anti-communist.

Severian
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Personally, I agree with Totally Legit Joe on this one. Those refugees must be insane, fleeing Cuba’s legendary 100% literacy and free health care.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Perhaps someone here knows whether this is “law” or simply “regulation”, but Cubans have for years had special status wrt remaining in the country. I believe it’s law. Basically, if a Cuban touches land, he can remain—asylum needing no justification. If they catch him in open water they can immediately return them. It was mockingly termed, the “one dry foot rule.” It is as old as Reagan era.

FlatStan
FlatStan
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Put on some John Edmond and fire up a stogie. Good way to reflect on the current times.

B125
B125
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

If the Globo elites were smart, they would immediately airlift the Boers to European countries, and spread them out so that their numbers / influence is thin. Whites might start getting some of the wrong ideas if they see Boers fighting in Africa. Unfortunately, what’s more likely is that they successfully carve off a chunk of territory in the Western Cape. Then, the USA, France, or England nukes them, or provides South Africa with arms to relentlessly attack the white section, kind of like Rhodesia. However, it’s not 1990 anymore. Would China be opposed to a white state in Africa?… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Russian population declining; Boers and Afrikaners need a place to live. I see a win-win here. Ponimayu?

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Funny how the Naturalization Act of 1790 and the preamble to the Constitution seem to get swept under the rug.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

The preamble is answers why the government was created and thoroughly refutes the notion of a propositional nation. IMO. The American revolution was mostly an anti-colonial rebellion. The declaration used a lot of specious rhetorical flourishes to justify that rebellion to enlightenment intellectuals in Europe that had their own hostility to their monarchies. The founders at the time certainly didn’t believe most of the BS. But then, after being successful more and more people came to accept the specious DoI on its own terms. Cialdini’s book Influence has a chapter on that phenomenon, wherein an argument used to justify an… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

According to the very good people who put out propaganda for the Federal Court system, the preamble makes the United States effectively a Kritarchy. Watch the second video where a diverse group of students talk about what the different phrases of the preamble mean to them. An Asian claims that “for ourselves and our posterity means, “for our children and the children of others.” A black kid follows up with saying it means, that whoever comes to this country should have “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” They won’t hesitate to rewrite the meaning of the Preamble to fit… Read more »

Hi- Ya!
Hi- Ya!
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

we’re in trouble!

Muhammad Izadi
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

The founders should have explicitly mentioned race in the main body of the constitution.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Wolf: Ultimately they’re all just words on paper. It’s the spirit of the people and their progeny that give them any power or authority. Same goes for ‘rule of law.’ No such thing as magic dirt nor magic papers . .. nor magic people. Just stouthearted men who were willing to sacrifice for the future and their progeny. Genetically, we are not the same people; we are so much lesser than they were.