The title of the show this week is taken from the title of a book by the guy most consider to be the founder of neoconservatism, Irving Kristol. He was one of the first far-left intellectuals to break with the Left and migrate to the new Right. He embraced the term neocon, in an “own the insult” way, which is probably why the term has remained with us, despite it originally being an insult. The Left used it as a way to criticize their former colleagues for their break with them over various issues.
Today, of course, our side uses the term as an insult. Even within what is left of mainstream conservatism, the term and the people associated with it is falling out of favor, especially as the neocons get nastier in their critiques of populism. David French now sounds like a less masculine version of Robin DiAngelo. That is not an exaggeration, as he sounds like Mickey Mouse, and she sounds like she has had one too many Pall Mall’s with her boiler makers.
Just as it is useful to understand the language of the Left, it is useful to know the intellectual history of the legacy Right. When the Left uses the slur “racist” they do not mean it in the way normal people understand it. This is why it is stupid to debate them on those terms. When you deny being a racist, you are legitimizing the term and their definition of it. If you try to own the insult, you do the same. Instead, when you know their definition, you can attack them from the moral high ground.
The same thing applies to the history of the neocons. Understanding why they say America is an idea, rather than a nation, is key to dealing with the claim. Someone like Ben Shapiro does not really know why he believes America is just an idea. He was simply taught that by his Straussian professors. The same is true of his chanting about Judeo-Christianity. You can strip away the intellectual authority of the claims when you know the source of it. Knowledge is power.
The other thing that we can learn from studying the neocons is how the conservative movement was so easily coopted by them. The reason is that the New Right, as it was called early on, had no moral philosophy of its own. The Buckley movement started from a disposition and then became a reaction to current events. They were not starting from a body of moral philosophy that contradicted the Left. The neocons supplied a morality framed by the founding documents.
It is why any genuine opposition to what is going on in the West must first start with a moral philosophy that stands outside of the prevailing orthodoxy. Only by being able to say, “this is who we are, this is what we believe, this is why we believe it, and this is why it is superior to the alternative” can a genuine alternative blossom. Simply starting with a laundry list of outcomes, desired or opposed, like the Buckley crew, means falling prey to the same sort of corruption that killed conservatism.
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This Week’s Show
Contents
- 00:00: Opening
- 02:00: The Origin Story
- 22:00: Leo Strauss
- 42:00: Never Right
- 57:00: Closing (Be Like Me)
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I say something like only by being able to say, “this is who we are, this is what we believe, this is why we believe it, and this is why it is superior to the alternative” can a genuine alternative blossom. 24-7 on other boards. Problem is that getting so called Conservatives to cooperate or sacrifice for the common good is not easy. Something tin the psychology of these men is fundamentally broken, too much TV/Internet not enough Faith or Fathers are maybe a just plain pathological obsession with economic systems and materialism. I don’t know. Many are utterly repelled… Read more »
When you get back to Strauss, you might include some comments on the Michael Anton/1776 Project controversy: Chronicles Magazine and Paul Gottfried and the other side at side at AmGreatness which would then occasion some comments on the neo-Machiavelian nature (or its caricature) of today’s culture war politics.
Who else broke out laughing when the intro music to a session on Neo-cons was Hava Nageela?
Listened to it 3 times, took notes. Doing my homework. Thanks Zman.
The show avoided the J question. Immigration is a j issue. Professor McDonald laid out the reason for this- Jewish people are safer in a multicultural society as opposed to a majority white gentile society. Or so they think
Neocons were primarily Jewish. Frum, Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz and on and on. They primarily endorse the Middle East wars because those wars made it safer for their people in the special country. This has been prevailing wisdom for years. Not anti semitic. Just realistic.
“Jewish people are safer in a multicultural society as opposed to a majority white gentile society”
Are they too short sighted to realize that no one is safe when civilization breaks down and civil war breaks out?
Signs point to “yes”
You know what is truly tiresome?
Listening to normies pontificate how the US is going to debate and vote its way out of its current predicament.
Yeah, no.
@ Stephanos Xytegenios
Leave it to a Greek to fixate on anything anus related lol
But thanks, yes, I needed a laugh.
The Neo-CONS?
Even Joe Slovo Biden will run circles around them.
The breaking news today was that the Frankfurt School ordered somebody in the Pentagon to unleash the B-52s. When I first saw it this afternoon, I thought maybe it might be a parody [of a meme or something], but apparently it’s a real story: US sends in B-52s in desperate bid to stop the Taliban seizing key Afghan cities – where British troops fought and died – as fighters seize prison and set all the inmates free in latest town to fall https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3983001/posts I’m telling you, the Frankfurt School is hell-bent on Neo-Khazaria extending from Warsaw in the east all… Read more »
I’ll take a stab stating at a moral philosophy that “works.” We all evolved, and that evolution has been ongoing for a few hundred thousand years. And as we spread out around the globe, each cohort of our species adapted to the local environment in which they settled. This adaptation produced “traits” that “worked” in the sense that it enhanced their ability to survive & thrive in the midst of hardships & existential threats endemic to that region. In a sense, our ancestors were the survivors of a unique gauntlet that rewarded what DID work locally and penalized what didn’t.… Read more »
But the whites seem to do well enough in Brazil’s torrid climate. (It’s polite there to ask a guest, “do you want to take a shower” when they come over just to visit.) If there’s ever a global catastrophe visited upon the Earth, I think Brazil might become the new center of world civilization. I have an article I wrote on this at my blog. Click on my name and scroll down to “World Civilization At Its Most Resilient.” I wouldn’t be surprised, however, if in such a circumstance the whites of Brazil visit a genocide upon the browns and… Read more »
Yeah, drop them into an Amazon backwater with just a spear and loin cloth and see how well they do.
Man’s defining characteristic is the ability to create tools to allow him to adapt to his environment and adapt his environment to him. Modern Whites would die in Europe, too, if you dropped them into an uninhabited Europe with just a spear and loin cloth. We have brains so we don’t have to live like apes with accoutrements.
The first Homo sapiens to arrive into what is now called Central Europe were in fact hunter gatherer tribesman with spears & animal skins as clothing. And they migrated into dense & dark forests with many existential threats, including large animal predators that dominated these forests. No doubt many of these early inhabitants died from these extreme hardships, but you are descended from the ones that survived, prevailed, and reproduced. That is your evolutionary heritage. Squander it at your own risk.
No such thing as evolution. Good grief. THeres no evidence for it, and its philosophically impossible. Why does this attract people? My guess is the nonsensical theory of evolution allows man to be God, and to say that morality is a creation too, so I can do what I want
TomA—looks to me as though you’ve simply restated the basic principle of Race Realism—the outcome of which dictates separation of the races. Not sure where the “moral” in moral philosophy comes in (I’ve always been slow in these matters). It seems simply HBD science principles, and scientific inquiry to me is an amoral undertaking.
Not just race realism, but evolutionary history realism. Everyone of us was born into this world with an evolutionary heritage that we did not choose; it was bequeathed to by our parents. Ditto for the place of our birth and all of the customary & cultural baggage that came with it; which we absorbed in our developmental years long before we could even understand what it meant to be “of a people.” Nevertheless, you must play this hand in life regardless. Now the morality part. There are “persons in a position of power” in this world who are actively mixing… Read more »
Great show this week Z.
I agree! I come not to bury Z Man but to praise to him! Encore!
Seriously, thanks for putting together a succinct history of Neoconservatism to point those newly acquainted with race realism after years of indoctrination in the school system.
I wonder whether young people are more prone to being liberal-progressive, or if it is because they have spent most of their lives in the progressive factories called school. I wonder if the kind of idealism attributed to young people actually existed before mass public schooling.
Tars, I think about that question a lot. These poor kids today are water boarded with propaganda like none of us were. Some kids are naturally rebellious but we must observe how easily these rebellious instincts are directed by those who control the media. The hippie phenomenon is probably the best example. Most of those boomer kids were manipulated into being hippies by the controllers of the media. The boomer kids did NOT rebel against the actual authority. They followed the media authority and submitted to it. In general, youthful rebellion is bVsh1t. Rebellious kids follow the media because they… Read more »
Line Out: “These poor kids today are water boarded with propaganda like none of us were.” Funny way to put it. But sad. Yep, I thought we had it kinda bad in high school in late 80’s. Sure, back then if you had good Right instincts and a nose for manipulation, you could see that every page in the history and sociology textbooks had either subtle or blatant Prog bias. Blatant in our sociology texts for sure. Those books may as well had the words BECAUSE BIGOTRY typed in bold letters on every page. But now, like you said, they’re… Read more »
There’s been a nearly complete reversal, in my experience. In any crowd where masks are “recommended,” you see almost every member of two groups wearing the face diaper: the old (who have a reasonable case, though one that I believe is over exaggerated) and….teenagers. Those natural, instinctive rebels can’t wait to conform. I saw the same thing with college kids back when – junior volunteer commissars, all of them (bear in mind that I retired some years ago; I can’t even imagine what the Junior Volunteer Thought Police are up to on campus these days).
Severian, you’ve stated this before. And as previously, your point is so prescient I must again agree and emphasize. I too see the younger folk—teenagers/20-somethings—wearing the mask of “submission” proudly and openly. Like a badge of honor, worn even in crowds of non-wearers! It is perhaps the most disheartening thing I witness in my daily routine. As they say, the youth are our future, and it’s not looking bright.
They’ve been brainwashed and gaslighted from infancy.. You think the bignoses don’t know how to manipulate the cattle?
I slightly disagree because it seems as though the rebellious instincts in most people don’t surface until the pre-teen and teen years.
The Bolsheviks are well aware of this, and they know they can limit these instincts if they can start the brainwashing as early as possible in a person’s life.
Line In: “Most of those boomer kids were manipulated into being hippies by the controllers of the media.” It’s good you said “most”, because it shows that you grant that it can’t be totally reduced to a Pavlovian: Media Stimulus = Predictable Public Reaction. And this is where I usually differ from the DR view of societal change. DR says our degenerate media lords feed society low quality degenerative poison. I agree it’s poison. But strongly disagree that it’s low quality. I think the music, art, architecture, fashion, movies, etc, from every era is great. And when it gets stale… Read more »
My sense of things is that family divorce has made them A). Perhaps less trustful of families and open to what government has to offer in terms of stability B) afraid to start families of their own and they find an outlet and acceptance in the “group” C). Less willing to take on adulthood head on Not saying that divorce is 100% the cause but I have definitely noticed that kids who come from intact families are more confident and willing to take more risk. Seems divorce has shellshocked so many young people. Another crime against our people among the… Read more »
My homeschooled kids have tended toward the dissident right.
Another great show. Love this political theory stuf|.
Really enjoyed the show 10/10. Thanks
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IMHO, FDR doesn’t get enough blame for the problems of the 50s and 60s and of today. FDR very fundamentally changed this country and especially the courts and particularly, the field of law. Not only do you get a generation of FDR appointees throughout the government and the entire SCOTUS, but having all of those progressive judges throughout the system fundamentally changed law. Not only did they do their evil activism with the actual law, but as a side effect of being such a large force. They had outsized influence on the entire field of law through the prestige of… Read more »
Yeah, he was a real doozy. But Im starting to see that all of the country’s politicians since the income tax have just been opportunists Seems they were always about how to buy as many votes as possible while disguising the motivations in moral dressing. As we say, democracy attracts the worst people The only ones who could have stood in the way were people of old money and perhaps the military but they weren’t strong enough if they ever even tried Moral of the story, the moment the concept of democracy was hatched began its countdown to its own… Read more »
Calvin Coolidge was the last American President.
Just for fun, I’ve read a few legal papers that gave a history, perhaps slanted, that showed what a hodge-podge the various state laws were about public acomodations and similar access issues (pre 1964 Civil Rights). Like it was ok to refuse service to someone in a military uniform, or because they weren’t wearing a tie, but not because of race, etc. America has lost a lot of rights over the decades, not the least are most rights to decide who can and cannot enter private property. I suppose the logical extreme all this would be when the State nationalizes… Read more »
Well, why not, they already tell you who you share your neighborhood with. 😉
Speaking of … El Jebe! is back in the news. Tweeting out how much he dislikes Americans and how much he loves foreigners, and how disappointed he is that the Olympic Team is not 100% foreigners for hire. Its not playing well. So it looks like people prefer the strong horse. Rather than the weak one.
Anyone with a twitter account should remind him that Orange Man beat his ass with 1/10th or less of money and zero media or party support while he was the party and media favorite. Not only did he knock him out of the race, he utterly humiliated Jeb Bush, turned him into a laughing stock and the but of jokes. He is so repugnant that people voted for a reality TV star with seemingly ZERO chance of winning at the time, so as not to support Jeb friggin Bush. What a scumbag. The whole Bush family, every single one of… Read more »
Speaking of…El Jebe – the north end of a southbound horse.
The Bush family will do anything for a buck
and in fact when Jeb was Gov of Florida his people screwed over my dad on a real estate deal
Via the so-called “Christian” Roger Staubach who is a total fraud and a low down pos
PLEASE moar info.
Thanks.
Basic details My father negotiated a new lease with a state agency. They were a long term tenant in a building he owned and up for a renewal when their lease expired. So my dad negotiated it directly with them. Which was how it was always done in Tallahassee. But Jeb comes in and had hired Staubach to be the state’s exclusive brokerage for all state leases. This was during his push “to privatize” much of the state’s dealings. So my dad was set to get his broker’s commission for having negotiated the lease by himself, which was a decent… Read more »
Obviously none of us know with any certainty the background of any of the others of us on an anonymous bulletin board like this.
But that poast of yours reads like nothing I’ve ever seen on teh innerT00bz, and I go all the way back to FTP & Gopher for muh gossip.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_%28protocol%29
Thanks.
PS: Deeply deeply disturbing about Staubach.
But I guess that explains why he’s sitting on a billion dollar real estate empire.
Because all other things being equal, psychopaths always win, and Nice Guys always finish last.
Dead. Last.
The Neoconservatives policies, ideology and effect on the country, have been an area of interest to me for the last 20+ years, especially as a former service member. The grand ideas and goals they have tried to implement in foreign policy took me around the world. I was not a high-level analyst or spook, yet even as a 22 year old kid my intuition and background told me that many of the actions after 9/11 did not pass the logic test. Shortly after that event, I went to the library to expand my prior knowledge, and research the region I… Read more »
Later in the day I’ll share a cheers to your fallen friend.
Falcone:
That is much appreciated sir.
…that continue to put the young through the meat grinder for nothing…
Not nothing, silly little shegetz:
Housing Prices in Israel Continue to Soar
JULY 05, 2021
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202107051083308872-housing-prices-in-israel-continue-to-soar-but-can-the-nations-new-govt-reverse-the-trend/
New mortgages in Israel soar to all-time high
JULY 11, 2021
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/new-mortgages-in-israel-soar-to-all-time-high-673506
Not nothing whatsoever.
Nothing as in nothing for my people.
Death for your people, silly little shegetz.
But soaring real estate prices for the only “people” who ackshually matter.
It appears as though you have a deep & personal understanding of the problem, and also direct experience in failed solution implementation. We have lots & lots of people endlessly studying the problem in ever greater detail and nuance, but relatively few are studying & planning for a tangible & effective solution to what ails us. And it all starts with premises. Is it realistic to think that we can talk our way out of the mess we’re in? Is it realistic to think that an epidemic of sanity will sweep over the nation, leading to a significant electoral course… Read more »
Very well said.
As for esoteric writing, mostly it’s just bad writing, which Germans (except for Schopenhauer) excel in, rather than any attempt to encode a message. Rather, it’s a means of creating a cult: it casts an aura of an important bit of wisdom, if only you are smart enough to figure it out. When you reach the center of the labyrinth, you find there’s nothing, but by then “it’s too late, after all these years of study, to do anything but become a professor of Heideggerism” (as Walter Kaufmann said). It also gives you the ability to then dismiss all criticism… Read more »
Walter Kaufmann—last great Jewish intellectual? probably—was Jordan Peterson for men with still-somewhat-classical educations and normal testosterone levels. That’s why he’s forgotten. Yours is the first reference to him I’ve seen in about twenty-five years.
Neocons: when I was a teenager, short on money, I bought lots of “remaindered” books from the Barnes & Noble mail order catalog. One of these was a collection called “The Neoconservatives” by NYT’s Peter Steinfels. IIRC, it was mostly a bunch of articles from Dissent by big names like Harrington. Harrington said he didn’t coin the term, but it was “widely used” among the editors at Dissent. And yes, it was a slur, like “neo-homophobe” or “neo-heteronormative” or “neo-racist” would be today. Like “neo-confederate.” As the joke went, a conservative was a liberal who got mugged. These were liberals,… Read more »
Oh, and there was always a hint that the real problem was big city Jews who didn’t want to deal with bleks. It started in NYC when there were demands that Jewish teachers be replaced with black teachers. Turns out the “Jews heroically teaching in black schools to tikkun olam” were actually rather protective of their closed shop. And of course, crime. So an early example of the Jewish motif of “Integration for you badwhites, gated communities for us goodwhites.” Today they’re still arguing about this kind of thing in NYC schools.
Interesting backfill. I knew Harrington had at least popularized it (and that the term was always meant pejoratively). It wasn’t synonymous with Scoop Jackson omni-invader foreign policy until the 90s. When you’d read the N word before that it usually referred to some United Social Workers’ Call-In Hour type of dispute, e.g. “broken windows” or alcoholism or porn/censorship.
After another cup of coffee, and downloading the kindle preview, I see that Steinfel’s book is not the one I remember. I return to my original memory, that Epstein was himself the editor, in his capacity of pre-neocon liberal. The book, a Dell paperback, is nowhere on Amazon, and Epstein’s wikipedia page doesn’t mention it. Of course, a web search for “epstein and neoconservatism” is pointless. Is this the Mandela effect? Or is somebody hiding something? Anyway, the kindle preview has the whole 2016 intro, which is worth reading. Steinfels talks about 3 stages of neocons, which he acknowledges he… Read more »
Hey Z man, I suppose that this is a bit off topic, but could you tell me the name of the song (I am presuming it was Dean Martin) that you closed this episode with ? It would save me a lot of time trying to go through the Dean Martin catalog trying to find it. Thanks. BTW, as always, an interesting look at a subject that I might never give a second thought to without you bringing it to my attention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXq-XdyGehk
Great show, Z! Remember, Rod Stewart hated Maggie May and thought it would be a flop…you never know what the masses want!
That’s the only thing Stewart and I have in common.
When I was a kid I was told I looked like him
Later on some said Matt Dillon
Even later I’ve gotten the Baldwin brothers
Wtf?
Man I hated those comparisons.
You think that’s bad? I’ve been compared to Troy Garrity, the unholy spawn of Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden! But also Harry Connick, Jr., which is not too bad, I spose.
Stay away from my mom. She loves Harry Connick jr
Popular culture is full of things that their creators were lukewarm on and turned out to be maximally successful. It’s entirely possible the Dark Enlightenment will follow the same road of popularity. Right now we dissidents appear to be small in number, but we could be sitting on a winning lottery ticket. There is supposed to be a “tipping point” at which a small number of people suddenly infect the rest with their idea and it becomes majority rule. Historic Christianity falls in this camp. For decades it was much on the outskirts, and then suddenly the Eastern Roman Emperor… Read more »
Excellent episode. With regard to Marx, doesn’t the ambiguity and long-windedness of his writings come from the influence of Hegel? Anyone who has read Schopenhauer’s ferocious skewering of Hegel and his followers for their gobbledygook can never forget it.
All German philosophers before Nietzsche were linguistic obscurantists, and all the ones after him are linguistic obscurantists and also liars. This is my only “Straussian” opinion.
As a recent “expert” on Nietzsche (I’ve read his catalog within the past year), I concur with your post and Hemid below. He was no fan of the prolix German authors. He had not so nice things to say about Kant, Schopenhauer and Strauss. Nietzsche is credited, probably by one of his critics, eschewing sesquipedalian Hochdeutsch for a clearer German adopting styles of English and French prose. His writing style, not just his philosophy, influenced later Kraut writers. Humor: one famous Monty Python skit/song (Philosophers Song*) posits that all famous thinkers are drunks. I have no data on Nietzsche, but… Read more »
Here is a good article about the recent troubles in South Africa.
I was heartened by the reports of White citizens and communities organizing to form effective self-defense units.
The fire rises!
Argh….forgot the link!!!
https://neociceroniantimes.wordpress.com/2021/08/06/south-africa-as-an-unintended-example/
Yep. If they can do it in SA, it’s possible all over the Anglosphere, especially America.
Is the “west coast” Straussian, Michael Anton, threading the needle? His last, lengthy, article for American Greatness made some good points laying out the synthesis between the founders and St. Abe.
Loved your “Be Like Me” closing song.
If I were crafting a “moral high ground” campaign, I might steal a page from Warren G.* Harding: “It’s ok to be Normal.” Witness the success of “It’s ok to be White.” It drives them stark raving mad, because it puts the onus on them to explain why, exactly, it’s not ok to be White. The smarter ones try desperately to change the subject, while the dumber ones (i.e. 95% of them) are all too happy to tell you, which makes them sound like Heinrich Himmler on Whip-Its. That’s a big win either way. So… it’s ok to be normal.… Read more »
There’s been sort of a reversal
Used to be the drama queens moved to L.A. and the norms stayed home
Now the people I L.A. are almost too boringly normal and all the caked up drama is in small town America
I hope that’s a trend. It all starts in the cities.
> The fact is, most of us just aren’t that interesting, and that’s ok. You can be a wonderful human being, even without indisputable video evidence posted all over social media. Just being an average, decent guy these days is, in fact, pulling off the kind of quadruple axel that would force even the French judge to give you a 10. The Ned Flanders Option I would only add when being intentionally a pain on the system up to and including being essentially ungovernable, do it politely with a sincere smile on your face. HR: I noticed you didn’t get… Read more »
Heinrich Himmler on Whip-Its! Love it! Gotta “adapt” that one.
Great show, Z. But I have something bothering me and I’ll be damned if I can shrug it off. You talk about Strauss and some of his ingeniously crafted ideas that stroke the egos of the people in such a way that they forget the nonsense they’re based on. Let us be honest. Sometimes those things sound right because they ARE right. Not trying to be a dink here – but – as an example: the dissidents are all over race realism and tribulations and challenges of dealing with blacks. We have a black family at our church – and… Read more »
There are multiple replies to you “nice black family” example – which comes up often in various forms. First, the moral answer. Short version: The nice black family is not my people. Simple as that. If whites allow every nice, smart non-white family into our community, it will no longer be our community. Eventually, we likely won’t even exist as a people as the various groups mix. Your nice black family is the first step to the end of my people, something you’re literally watching happen before your eyes. Real men have understood this danger for millennia, which is why… Read more »
Yes, and – the enemy always frames immigration as: “If you’re against immigration, it must mean you’re a white supremacist,” as in you must believe whites are superior to all other races. People don’t want to seem snooty or arrogant (and REALLY don’t want their lives destroyed by a whiff of white supremacy) so they shut up and submit. But that’s not really the reason to be against immigration. My house is my house. If you and your 10-person extended family demand to move into my house and I say no, it doesn’t mean I think I’m superior to you.… Read more »
This is why I push the concept of “Who are you people?” Once you answer that question, the answer to so many other questions become clear. More importantly, it’s morally defensible. If I have a people – and I have every right to have a people – and I want the best for them, just as I want the best for my family. Therefore, every question can be answered by asking yourself “Is this good for my people?” or “Will allow my people to survive and thrive in the future?” Does allowing a black family into our community pass those… Read more »
Multiculturalism is saying that YOU specifically are not important enough to keep living If you say you need protection, safety, and that is best achieved by living among your own who would be willing to die for you, then multiculturalism says too bad. Take your chances with these hired guns, and if that’s not good enough and doesn’t work, oh well. If you want a wife who follows your same cultural traditions and who “gets” you, too bad, your choices are this weird looking thing from that continent or this brown one from this other continent. And if they end… Read more »
The left and neocons would argue that you don’t have a right to have “your people.” I’ve teased out this moral logic With them, and their ultimate answer is that “our people” is the human race. The end game (at least with the leftists I’ve conversed with) is that some day there will be no races or borders. We’ll all be under some United Earth Government. You and I know this is foolish, and that the vastly different cultures of the different races could never allow this, but they see this as their endpoint in their “arc of history.”
Greek,
Just ask them about the Jews. Are they anti-Semitic?
Their better answer is that it’s okay for other countries to based on race, such as Israel, but that the United States is different. We were never based on race but on ideas.
It’s pretty easy to show how that’s wrong, but they don’t care. They have their morality with “All men are created equal.”
I simply tell them that I don’t care. I have a people and that every race on earth deserves to survive. They have a tough time with that.
Is that what white supremacy means? That a white person believes whites are superior? If so, sign me up. My understanding, however, is that white supremacy means that white people, by dint of their superiority, are justified in ruling over PoC. By that definition, I most certainly am not a white supremacist because my most fervent desire is to live in a white nation entirely separate from PoC.
I think that’s well said. There’s also a good tie-in, I think, with Zman’s often saying that the best way to ridicule a Progressive is to just laugh at him or otherwise make fun of him and his absurd ideas. I’m White, I think I’m pretty good. I don’t especially feel like a “supremacist:” Socrates would ask “What do you mean by that?” I don’t want to lord it over Blacks nor anyone else. I’ll agree with you, Whites certainly were unkind to them, in the past. What better way to avoid hurting them, going forward, than to minimize all… Read more »
Pete: the enemy always frames immigration as: “If you’re against immigration, it must mean you’re a white supremacist,” as in you must believe whites are superior to all other races. CoaSC: And it presents a ton of dangers to my community. Their presence might lead to more blacks moving in. Their children might mix with our people, thus making us less of who we are. OK: Is that what white supremacy means? That a white person believes whites are superior? Truth be told, none of us believe in White superiority; all of us necessarily “believe in” [i.e. understand all too… Read more »
It’s the “extended family” business that I find useful for talking about this. Yes, the nice middle class, two parent black family is fine. But… the “cousins.” There are *always* “cousins,” from places like Chicago, with names like DeAndre, who show up six months later. Freaking *always.* And then you can kiss your neighborhood goodbye.
simply put-I prefer my own kind. Crows don’t nest with eagles.
Exactly. And back in the days of rigid segregation, the better Black family was the shining beacon on a hill, in the Black neighborhood. They were a guiding, stabilizing influence. Put another way, they were the best of a bad bunch. Come Civil Rights and Whitey’s loss of restrictive covenants, etc. the Blacks who could had every rational reason to get the hell out of the slums. Problem is, as Citizen notes, is regression to the mean. And even if that weren’t a factor, the better Black family is going to be in White terms, merely middling, nothing exceptional, save… Read more »
I think I have an answer, teacher
This one is easy
You CAN’T say just because you know a good black couple that ALL black people are going to be that same way. In fact, every day life and stats prove out that the more blacks there are — 20% is the threshold — the worse things get.
See I told you that was easy. We went over this problem like a year ago.
You sure that stat was 20%, or is it 2.0%?
I think Professor Z has used 20%
Meaning that blacks are okay up until they are 20% of the local population after which Africa creeps in
That seems mighty high. And I can say from personal experience that if a Hutu pack moves into the house across the street from you, you may very well find yourself experiencing Ougadougou in an all too direct manner.
CoaSC and Falcone— Thanks bros. I knew ya’ll n-ggas would be on it! (see what I did there? 😉) It is distressing how many on ‘our side’ of the great divide still don’t get it. The IKAGO syndrome is so deeply embedded in their worldview I don’t know that we can ever be free of it. We are suppose to be the -most- aware and yet here we are listening to someone proclaim- Bbbbbbb…bbbbbuuuut- “I Know A Good One”. Pro Tip: We –all– know good ones. And the 1 becomes 2 becomes 4 becomes 16 becomes 256. Blink your eyes… Read more »
Yup, and then THEY look around and see that they outnumber you…suddenly your children are being told to leave what is no longer their land.
Pete, this is a very good point. All the previous points made obviously stand. However, that one black family in the white neighbourhood (or Asian, for that matter) may act all white to begin with. They’ll want to fit in. But many simply need ask: “What when mine’s the only white family in the neighbourhood?”.
They’ll soon change their tune. They most always do. And even if they don’t, why take the risk? I mean, wouldn’t you rather wear six masks in your car, than three? Why take the risk?
I don’t know what’s so hard about “Yeah I have black friends but doesn’t mean I want their whole extended family living on my street”
Since we’re talking about moral battles here, whites have a moral right to survive as a people. We won’t survive as a people if we don’t exclude other races from our lands and/or communities.
It’s as simple as that.
Immigration of non-whites into white countries/communities is a slow form of genocide. Not sure how people find that to be morally superior to whites surviving as a people.
Amen Apex.
I must be wired pretty differently because I know several IKAGOs from my time in the Third World.
I still wouldn’t want them and their families in my US neighborhood.
I regularly call Civnat normies out on their IKAGO anecdotes and how they don’t disprove the larger interethnic group dynamincs.
Just a guess, but is “IKAGO” == “I Know A Good One”?
Naxalt is thrown about as an epithet at times. That is nonsensical. Naxalt is factual and indisputable and someone who believes themselves to be a ‘race realist’ would be disingenuous to not realize that variance occurs in every group. If we are embracing realism though, we should be honest and understand that forced cohabitation with vastly different folks in any significant numbers always ends in discord. We have no examples in the history of our species where this is a successful arrangement. It is also fair to say that some races more easily cohabitate with each other. Further, there are… Read more »
I agree with Penitent Man that NAXALT is literally true. Nonetheless, most non-whites have an ethnocentrism that overrides the values that you imagine that you share with them. Glen notes that there is a wonderful black family that attends his church. On a micro level, they are probably good neighbors. But how do they vote? How do they feel about OJ, Trayvon, Michael Brown, and BLM? Or how do conservative Hispanics feel about strict immigration enforcement? Most Hispanics have illegals in their extended family. In almost all cases, this is where the ethnocentrism comes out. They may be good neighbors… Read more »
The sister of my ex dated a black man who was as nice as could be. The only way you would know he was black was his skin color. Otherwise, he acted white in every way. They were shocked at his positive reaction to the OJ verdict.
Nuggras gone nuggra.
The sister of my ex dated a black man
I hope you broke up with your “ex” just as soon as you learned that there was mudsharkery in her family.
Indeed. Heartiste memorably coined “Diversity + Proximity = War” to express just that slice of reality. I like to imagine an aboriginal of the eastern region of what has become North America (colloquially, Indians — feather, not dot) telling his tribe mates not to get so worked up about these encroaching Europeans because, hey, that Puritan fellow John Smith and his family are so kind and helpful. I imagine the Aztec guy who said, hey, these Spanish guys with their guns and horses could really help us with our enemies. Or the Sabines who said, hey, that Titus Negronicus is… Read more »
I think the best answer I’ve read on here to counter your good black argument is this: yes, absolutely, there are great black people. Thomas Sowell could live in my neighborhood any day. However, for every Thomas Sowell, you get 9 below average individuals that’s are more likely to be criminal. The societal trade off just isn’t worth it statistically to get that high performing above average IQ black population (I believe it’s 4% if I remember correctly).
Why go to the trouble of even defending them. Simply say “I just like to live around my own people.”, and be done with it.
Mind you, you’d need to be wary who you say such a thing to these days… there are why ‘spremaciss everywhere.
Thank you.
What the fuck is with people trying to find excuses for not wanting non-whites in their communities/countries.
They are not my people. I need no other justification than that.
I tell normies something similar when I start code-switching on them.
It’s not about sitting around hating other groups 24/7/365.
It’s about always preferring to be around my people and wanting to see my people succeed.
I don’t lose any sleep if my people’s success comes at the expense of other peoples.
Not complicated at all.
I don’t discount the validity of your argument that people have a right to their tastes without need for justification (I like mint chocolate chip because I like mint chocolate chip). However, different arguments and reasoning will resonate with different people. I also think there’s value in explaining why The Godfather is a better movie than Justice League or some other comic book drivel.
Greek, I get your point, and some of the other arguments may resonate better with some people. But they don’t have a moral underpinning and that matters because it always leaves you vulnerable. Arguing that blacks have a lower IQ and higher crime on average and therefore the nice black family’s kid or relatives will regress to the mean or that the nice black family will cause more blacks to move into the neighborhood are true. But that’s not a moral argument. What about Asians? What about Indians? You have accepted the other side’s morality and therefore will lose eventually.… Read more »
That’s not the best answer because it has no moral underpinning. What about NE Asians? They’re smarter and less violent on average than whites; therefore, under your logic, the more the merrier in your neighborhood or country. Wrong! The moral answer is that neither blacks nor Asians nor any other non-European are my people and my people deserve to survive and thrive. We deserve our own communities and lands. I don’t want to keep the black family out because blacks have a lower IQ than whites. I want to keep them out because . . . THEY ARE NOT MY… Read more »
Citizens, I think our back and forth today has illustrated that there’s also a divide within the race realist community on our side of the divide. Z pointed out the divide between Christians and agnostics on this side of the divide, but there’s an additional one. Your argument illustrates the ethno-state side, while there are others that are race realists because of the science, logic, and reasoning, and just desire to live in a society that looks to recognize these differences and address them realistically. People on this side of the argument are OK with a nation that has races… Read more »
So Greeks get to survive as a people, but not European Americans? How is that moral? Doesn’t sound so great to this European American. Regardless, your making the Steve Sailer commentators’ argument or as I disparagingly call it, the “Faculty Lounge” argument. Instead of being colorblind CivNats, they’re HBD-aware CivNats. They recognize racial differences but also understand that certain races are more similar to other either genetically or in terms of IQ/temperament. They also get that even amongst blacks, you’ll find smart, thoughtful people such as their beloved Thomas Sowell, or Saint Thomas as I like to call him. In… Read more »
One of my favorite subtly (?) sardonic summations of this phenomenon:
“There are some good Blacks, just as there are some bad Whites.”
The beauty of dry wit like this is that it takes a certain level of intelligence to realize it is sarcasm. You could deliver this line straight-faced to many Whites, nearly all Joggers and they’d accept it at face value, never realizing they’ve been had. 🙂
However, for every Thomas Sowell, you get 9 below average individuals
For every Thomas Sowell, you get more like 9,999,999 below average individuals.
Thomas Sowell is a 1-in-10-million kneegr0w, and even he was a Never-Trumper Neo-Con.
Thomas Sowell is 80+ years old; that ratio is a lot worse than 9:1
There’s a strange thing where on one hand a White person gets upset/disappointed at another White person (lazy, slovenly dressed, blaring gangsta rap, etc.) and finds an example of an Other who impresses you, and it’s more wanting Whites to be more like that guy in whatever trait it is you like. Like how Jesus is impressed with the Syro-Phoenician or the Samaritan, and says “Never have I found this much faith in Judea and Galilee”. My granddad would use the phrase “workin’ like a nigger” in a positive way, like you’re doing really arduous work But then it mutates… Read more »
I think the American rat race has a lot to do with it What it did was heap big rewards on the people who work hard and are more intelligent than most. You hear it framed “life is about making the right decisions. I didn’t go blowing my days in high school getting high. I studied. I went to school and I work hard, if you’re poor and can’t get ahead it’s because of bad decisions you made.” Then these people inevitably drift toward the wealthier cohorts of people around whom they have more in common, isolated from their old… Read more »
I’ll put here cuz Hopkins played the role you describe, in The Human Stain…& cuz “free will to the max” (“what one man can do another man can do!”): My people? Hand picked, & that’s mutual. Not defaults. I’ve had a share of scrapes with blacks. But I’ve had more scrapes with whites. Way more. The scraping’s the thing, not what scrapers look like. My only interest in large groups is how large a distance I can put between my people and those groups. But as prerogatives go (& would it were the prerogatives went more commonly) everybody’s innocent until… Read more »
While you have heard from the race realists and other members of the Dissident Right, perhaps you could benefit from the viewpoint of a Christian who is also a neoreactionary. The reason why you are having trouble squaring away the race realists claims, and your experience with that black family is because race realists are the flip side of the same coin as the progressives. That is, they are ideologues. For the race realist, the eikon they rally around is genetics and heritage, thus everything in life must be interpreted in those lens. For them, they see a hated symbol… Read more »
HBD-aware civic nationalism is just colorblind civic nationalism for higher-IQ folks. It’s still sticking your head in the sand and is completely detached from reality. Colorblind civic nationalism was the strategy for the past 50 years in this country. How’d that work out for whites? You have no empathy for your fellow whites, perhaps because you are a Christian who view all Christians – white or non-white – as God’s children. Well I do. l love my people. You go live in your multi-racial paradise where you magically pick the “good ones” from every race and you all live in… Read more »
Where we differ is that you and yours occupy a maximalist position that you either let none in, or you let all in. That is indicative of a black and white worldview that doesn’t have any place in reality. It makes since because race realists are at their core ideologues. Therefore, everything, everyone, and everywhere has to be interpreted and squeezed through the lens of your ideology. There isn’t a bit of difference between you and the progressives except for who/whom. Ideologues never see the humanity in humans. My advice to the original poster is that just because he and… Read more »
I’ve long held the borderlands, the edges: all is good, nothing is just as good – it’s the herniated middle that’s no mans land. But I apply that edge hone to the prerogatives, those inherent inalienables that apply to persons irrespective of geography as defined by lines on maps & other model-makers Frankensteins that are monstrous, but that aren’t the territory. And all the satellite stuff orbiting around the star/chamber is good, or spacejunk, based on its emergence/property of the prerogatives, or not. How is what matters. How it “turns out” doesn’t matter at all. That’s the maximalism of persons.… Read more »
As an aside, I’ve no loyalty to “Whites”, what that is. I am Greek and a Christian. My Loyalty is to Greeks and Christians. I’ve no kinship with you and yours Remember, it wasn’t that long ago that you and your fellow barbarians were living in mud huts and flinging dung at each other while we Greeks were building cities of marble. The same way you look down on the other ethne is the same way we look down on you. The only reason you and yours are even civilized was because we educated you barbarians in the ways of… Read more »
Well what is it?
If they’re Christian but also come from mud huts they’re okay? They’re kin? Or not?
@Falcone, the hierarchy goes like this:
On top is Greek Christians, then other Greeks, then other Christians of a different ethnos, then there is the dirt, the worms inside the dirt, my stool, then you and yours.
Does that answer your question?
So your loyalty is to Greeks, but other peoples should slowly genocide themselves by allowing in other groups?
Or are you in favor of allowing 50,000 to 100,000 smart Africans who want to assimilate into Greek life into Greece each year? You know, to avoid innervation.
@Citizenship of a Silly Country, isn’t that what being a nationalist is about? Determining you and yours own destiny free of manipulations from outside the nation? You white nationalists are reminding me more and more of woke imperialists who believe that they and only they know best how to run our society. You and yours are not Greek, nor any other ethne other then your own. You don’t have the right nor the authority to tell us what we must do. You haven’t shared in our triumphs, nor in our failures. As for your second “question”, the fallacy of false… Read more »
You seem to have a massive and fundamental misunderstanding of what I and others around here want and believe. First, I’m not a white nationalist. I’m an ethno-nationalist. They are not the same thing, not even close. Europeans and European Americans are an incredibly varied people. To say that a Dane is the same as a Greek is insane. (Believe me, commentator Felix Krull would be very insulted by that comparison.) The same is true European Americans. The Yankee from New England has a very different ancestry, culture and history than the Scots-Irish of Appalachia. And while I’m an ethno-nationalist,… Read more »
Race realism being argued vis a vis nation/al unrealism, or maybe surrealism, is funny. No “this nation is (or was)” declaratives in this thread are correct, accurate, or true.
These battles of the narratives neverending are…bear chow…”you want to die out here, ha?”
“If the doors of perception were Windex’d everything would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro’ narrow chinks (eurowhites, blacks, hispanics, etc) of his cavern.” ~ William Blake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPCIsIJ7nhY
White America has tried to coexist with blacks for 250 years now, no expense spared, and nothing worked. They must go. This is the only solution left. They must go.
Guess what, “let only the nice ones into our neighborhoods” has already been tried. Repeatedly. With the same outcome every time.
Let America’s loss be Liberia’s gain.
I know. He seems like he just arrived on our shores
He has no clue about our history and is trying to see it through a European or some other lens.
“Only by being able to say, “this is who we are, this is what we believe, this is why we believe it, and this is why it is superior to the alternative” can a genuine alternative blossom.” This. We’re in a “morality” battle, not a college debate where the team with best logic and facts to back them up win. (I’m talking to you, Steve Sailer.) This is why colorblind CivNats get so triggered when I ask them “Who are your people?” I’m pushing them to answer Z’s questions, and they come up looking like fools. Who are your people?… Read more »
The problem with people like Sailer is is that he has never seen his homeland invaded by a rival or hostile clan. They never came to rape his wife and daughter. This came to me last night watching the clip of Tucker with the Hungarian PM, Orban. Hungarians are a people and they need their own land just for them. Their own part of the land mass, their part of the zoo. And the reason is because they need to protect themselves form outside adversaries. Makes perfect sense in that context. Chances that a CivNat will be able to grasp… Read more »
Problem is, Hungary is under the EU cosh. Other states with a very strong dislike of the EU, Greece, for example, also have their hands tied in many ways. There is a hell of a lot of dislike for the EU, but some of the countries (UK included, really) sold their souls without thinking. Now what? Got to either forcefully leave or hope the crappy thing crumbles. Once the EU gets it’s progressive foot in the door, the poz will creep in from on up high. And eventually saturate everything beneath – some of the Eastern European countries might realise… Read more »
Falcone says that Steve has never seen his “homeland invaded by a rival or hostile clan.” But he has. He’s lived a lot of his life in SoCal. He’s watched it turn from a white supermajority into Mexico and the problem is that he doesn’t mind. He may be the kind of guy who looks at how cheap lawn care has become and thinks that’s he’s the big winner. I can’t image seeing the world the way Steve does, as much as I respect and admire him. Living in SF made me a racialist even when I didn’t want to… Read more »
Steve Sailer lives in my neighborhood in fact. It’s like 75% white and heavily orthodox Juice in one part. He travels around only in studio city, Sherman oaks, and valley village where he and I both live, going by his blogging. He never really leaves his bubble. These are all wealthy to rich areas. Plus he’s a total homebody. I doubt he even knows where to find a taco stand Plus he doesn’t care, like you say. All of this crap just gives him material to make a living. He’d be nothing without having multiculturalism to talk about. Incidentally, I… Read more »
Another thing that made the lockdowns perhaps even a net benefit for many was the rapid adoption of remote work. I have a remote job now. It’s crap and pays crap but… most of the people I “work with” are abominations. Purple hairs, tatt-sluts, qwerty-sexuals. The thought of actually spending a day around them in person makes me feel like throwing up. A lot of guys like me also enjoy having an excuse not to spend money on stupid chick stuff like eating out at “ethnic” places. I think the Coof may have actually taught my wife that it’s better… Read more »
His preference is pithy snark. Not sure what that means but it seems to fit. I could live a whole life without seeing “black girl magic” again or reading about black women’s obsession with their hair. He is still obsessed with sports also which is a major turn off. I agree that he doesn’t really care about anything besides having material to write about.
Just some general principles. The quotes come directly from the New Testament as far as I know. I offer some editorial comments, or if you prefer, the Devil citing Scripture for his own purposes. “Whoever is not for us is against us.” This is at once one of the most powerful tool of rhetoric but also one of the oldest political lies of all time. The implication of course, is that anyone who’s not on board 100% with your ideology must be an enemy or a “wrecker.” From the radical’s point of view, this is wonderful, since you can paint… Read more »
||| “It is why any genuine opposition to what is going on in the West must first start with a moral philosophy that stands outside of the prevailing orthodoxy. Only by being able to say, “this is who we are, this is what we believe, this is why we believe it, and this is why it is superior to the alternative” can a genuine alternative blossom.” ||| – Given the state of Christianity in the Occident, how will that be achieved? – When we say ‘we’, we transcend ourselves. The ties of blood get strength and nourishment under a healthy… Read more »
That was the exact thing that came to my mind when reading Citizen’s comment including the scheduled debate (which I want tomorrow not next April dammit!). It’s that double-edged sword aspect to Christianity: is it the force that binds us or the philosophy that makes us vulnerable to destruction? The practicing Christians I know well simple don’t care about “heritage” only if you’ve accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. At the same time, except for their refusal to accept HBD, they are exactly the type of people with whom to build great communities. The older I get the… Read more »
That’s interesting about the heritage thing, as I think that one of the commandments talks about honouring your father and mother. Which presumably would establish some sort of chain of honouring all the way back down the lineage.
Who knows, maybe I read the wrong Bible.
I’ve never had a devout Christian be able to explain to me what the Holy Spirit is. It’s not really spelled out anywhere in the NT. I take it to mean the thread (DNA) that connects one with their ancestors. Not honoring the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin in the Bible which I find exceedingly interesting.
Holy Spirit is how God connects with us
Simply stated, God is Good, but he’s also not of this material world.
The goodness in our hearts, the goodness in our souls, the goodness we find in others, the spirit of goodness all around us, is God sending and infusing us with his goodness through the Holy Spirit
Peabody: explain to me what the Holy Spirit is I guess we could start with the three synoptic gospelists, who are united in agreement as to the greatest sin [that being the only sin which is unforgivable]: Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Mark 3:28 – 3:30 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: but he that shall blaspheme against… Read more »
OrangeFrog: Excellent point. Whenever I see a mudshark, I think of how her great-grandparents and various ancestors would have been shamed by her, and shunned her. With ample cause. Miscegenating and birthing children of mixed heritage is not honoring your parents nor the heritage and race you are by virtue of your God-given genetics. The vast majority of modern Christians are irredeemable cucks. They will happily parade a sub-Saharan son-in-law as a ‘good Christian man.’ They utterly ignore that Jesus did not instruct Christians to go seek brides from other peoples. He said to spread His word, not to bring… Read more »
‘Modern Christianity’ if defined as Moralistic Thereputic Deism, and/or whatever it is J Osteen purveys, is not Christianity.
To Not My Usual Pen Name – first of all Arghhhh! I accidentally pushed the disapprove button. What a brilliant and interesting response to my comment! Thank you for taking the time to share such your thoughts and understanding. Since we’re now on to a new post I’m going to reference this for anyone interested (hopefully I can find an appropriate opening) in digging through Friday’s post to find it. Well worth the effort.
Good podcast, very educational.
Just want to thank Mr. Zman for all the great content. It’s the only blog I read every day and it’s my favorite podcast, one that I savor each Friday when I have the time to listen to it without much distraction.
Cal Thomas was the quintessential Evangelical neocon way back in the day. his columns were everywhere, with swarmy smug style that made readers feel good while never taking the right to task about their absolute failures in their leadership. I guess later in life he pivoted to saying that Christians should not try so hard to attain political power and the dangers of associating the Christian right with the Republican Party. Oh, and he was fanatically pro-Israel. He seemed a sincere guy who, like most of his generation, misunderstood how political power works by accepting the gaslighting of his neo-con… Read more »
Democracy started out as self rule and has become global rule
Funny how that works
Good podcast and Excellent choice for opening music on a show about neocons. I just finished reading a hilarious book called Never Trump in which all the never trumpers are interviewed and explain themselves. Turns out they’re mostly driven by their tribal affiliations. And when they listened to trump talk they heard the hoof beats of the Cossacks.
All it ever is, tribal affiliation
And it’s an inferior way to approach and view the world.
But it’s what works now and a protection against the worst of universalism. But it’s just sad we had to let our society reduce to a state where we’re survival and simply getting by means acting like a pack of animals.
Ain’t multiculturalism grand? Was sold as the height of sophistication and turns out it’s the height of rancor and primitivism
Universalism might work if we required others to come up to our standards. Instead we grovel and accommodate, and this is the natural result.
It’s a satanic inversion of the Christian ethic, or the transvaluation of values, or clown world. Pick your poison.
Saving the world instead of saving souls. Sermon over.
But right now, I agree, it’s about surviving.
In the land of plenty we are, yet we’ve been reduced to the level of animals struggling to survive as if we’re starving
What an inversion of what was always thought the natural order
Again, multiculturalism leads to a bare, pack animal existence.
Another lesson in history where there is never getting away from the idea that the juice have not been good for America
As the smart kidz say, it all gets so tiresome
Also noticing the internet is now just as Kosher as the MSM. Same companies own pretty much all of it, Except for a dwindling number of sites like this.
I’m going to enjoy it while it lasts. Good show btw,
Given that we live in a time where we have to deduce the race of the perp by what the press doesn’t tell us, Esoteric Writing doesn’t sound all that far fetched.