The World State I

One of the things that plagues opposition to the ruling regime is a poverty of language to label what is happening. The bad guys have a million ways to label their enemies, but the good guys are lacking a language to categorize the other side. The paleocons got close when they coined the term managerialism. This is both accurate and simple, but it only describes one aspect of the current system. Managerialism is one result of an ideology that has evolved over the last century.

When people hear the word “Marxism” or “communism” they immediately think of a set of economic arrangements. They may not know much about Marx or Marxism, but they know that it means the end of property and the rule by a party of ideologues. It is a simple and effective label. The same is true of communism or socialism. These words have connotations that make for effective shorthand. Even capitalism, a thing that may not actually exist, carries meaning for people.

We don’t have a label like that for the current political regime. Liberal democracy is probably accurate, but it has positive connotations. Democracy is supposed to be a good thing and liberal government is peaceful and accommodating. There are examples of things that are good separately but horrible together, like fish ice cream, but that is not really the same thing. When people in the public square use the term liberal democracy, they tend to use it in a positive way.

This conundrum is the inspiration for the show. Instead of trying to come up with a clever label for the current political order, maybe the better starting place is to just describe some of the big attributes. After all, the word “Marxism” did not come into use until the thing itself existed in some form. Once we can come up with a description for what we are experiencing, then maybe a label comes into focus. At the minimum, it starts the process of thinking about it beyond platitudes.

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This Week’s Show

Contents

  • 00:00: Opening
  • 03:00: Managerialism
  • 23:00: Pluralism
  • 43:00: Democracy

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John Bechtel
John Bechtel
2 years ago

To trumpton: Thanks so much!!! I may have to add you to my Will. I am one of the old geezers y’all make fun of, except I’ve been apolitical all my life, don’t watch TV, have no interest in professional sports, use no social media, and I’m not very good at grilling. I’ve always been aware of evil in this world, I just never guessed how utterly prevalent it is. It seems there is a little tiny tyrant hiding in all of us trying so hard to get out. I have a neighbor who has taken it upon herself to… Read more »

Pozymandias
2 years ago

Media coordinated gynocratic totalitarianism. I’m using each of those terms for what I hope is a good reason. – Media coordinated: This is to distinguish what we’ve got from earlier models like the Soviet or Nazi system. Those were bureaucratically coordinated. Stalin would be out travelling by rail to visit some collective farms or factories and would send a telegram to the Inner Party. They would read it, think about how to implement his new ideas without getting shot, and give orders to the somewhat lower apparatchiks. Pravda often wasn’t even in the loop until the new plan was halfway… Read more »

Ede Wolf
Ede Wolf
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

I can recommend the following video “The Hive Mind” from Colttaine that has a similiar theme: a global hive mind given rise by communication technology and dominiated by the gynocracy inherent to the human ape:

https://odysee.com/@colttaine:d/The-Hive-Mind:3

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ede Wolf
2 years ago

Short version:
Women vote liberal

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Woopsie, reply to the Hive Mind, no disrespect to Pozy’s magnificent outlay

*plus bonus points for “gynocracy inherent”- we are bonobos, not apes

Frip
Member
2 years ago

Off Topic Weekend Playtime: So this morning, Djokovic, the world number 1 ranked tennis player was banned from playing in The Australian Open. In the world of tennis, it’s like the NFL not letting Tom Brady play in the Super Bowl. I grew up in the tennis world. All the women who run the show have deep voices. All the men running the show are sissies of the highest order. It’s a big blow to Djokovic because he’s tied with Roger Federer (40 years old) and Rafael Nadal (35 yrs) for the most career Grand Slam tournament wins. 20. Pete… Read more »

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

I think Australian athletes competing in other countries should be heckled unmercifully going forward, if not outright banned from competing outside of Australia.

I plan to attend a PGA tournament this year just to follow around and heckle the Aussies (Cameron Smith, Jason Day, Adam Scott, Marc Leishman, etc.).

“Go back to your totalitarian hellhole”
“Show me your vax card”
“Put your mask on”
“Greg Norman sucked”

I am sure I’ll get tossed, but it will be worth it.

Hell, the Presidents Cup later this year in North Carolina would be a great venue to let the Aussies have it.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

Couple of thoughts, and thank you Frip for giving the skinny on the tennis guy.

That said, who cares? Unless you’re his wife or some other loved one, who wins a grand slam or a super bowl means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sorry, but on the grand scale of important shit happening, that stuff is simply a distraction.

Finally, is the frizzy haired one even a thing anymore? Who cares what that dingbat says? He’s WAY past his expiration date.

Frankly, I didn’t even know he was still on the air.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

The PTB hate Joker because he’s taken stances against the feminists who run pro tennis. And against all the Covid BS. They sense he’s of the Right. I have little truck with the tennis world, but I get the sense that it is well and truly the sport of Karens around the globe. I have a bit more knowledge of resort skiing, which the Karens have done an admirable job of effing up to the point that just about every resort now has idiot face diaper rules and many require compliance injections to access their on-mountain dining services. Back to… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Unforgivably off topic: The most beautiful vision you Europeans will ever see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ER4i-py3S8

Sure, it’s LARPing but there is nothing more wholesome and pure. This video is my religion.

You may disparage, but in your heart you know this is what you most deeply want, but only if you’re white. Well, I guess ideally there would be many children too.

tashtego
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

here is one of my favorites. I call it “the antidote.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d4xXvF2ukY

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  tashtego
2 years ago

Strange couple of videos—no diversity in the lot. 😉 What makes them particularly stunning is the juxtaposition to the filth and “poz” that overwhelms us in our local media. Sigh…

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

I’ll say it again and again;

They hate us cause they ain’t us.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  tashtego
2 years ago

Ahh, tashtego’s aborigines in their native habitat, with their quaint costumes and rustic charm

Frip
Frip
2 years ago

I gave you guys the heads-up about a year ago that Djokovic is a guy to root for. Even if you’re not a tennis fan or you’ve rightly turned your back on sports. As I said in that comment, the PTB and cocktail crowd desperately want their posh darling Federer to represent the sport as the greatest tennis player of all time. In tennis “Greatest Ever” status is measured by the number of “Grand Slam” (big tournament) wins for a player. There are 3 players in competition for that now. The PTB is trying to bar Djokovic from the this… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

Joker just got deported for, “inciting dissent,” and the risk he would become, “…an icon for free choice,” comrade.

Forward, Soviet!

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 years ago

PA: where North, South, Midwest, and Appalachia meet.

Maybe it could be argued Midwest and Appalachia were, in decent part, ‘born’ here. Conestoga wagons, Kentucky (PA) rifles, Daniel Boone, Arthur St.Clair, restless Scots-Irish, German farmers, etc. Much of the Great Appalachian Valley settled by people crossing the gap in Lancaster County. Not that PA was the sole source, but the contributions were considerable. Cool history, even outside of Philly and Pittsburgh.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

I don’t have the exact percentage, but many, many Southerners, Midwesterners, and Appalachians actually entered the (former) United States from the Port of Philadelphia. There are some states where more people originated from that port than Pennsylvania itself.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

My land was given as a land grant to a guy named Porter by President Martin van Buren in the late 1830s. I don’t know anything else about the guy, but there were a number of Porters in my area, including a little town called Portersville not too far from me. In fact, the maiden name of the wife of the couple I bought my farm from was Porter.

Apparently Porter is of both English and Scottish origin, which would fit in with Scots-Irish heritage, I think.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

does anyone think if Tim Wise was president – everything would be a lot easier. Because you would have a concrete name and person to oppose. Wise has said that he is mostly a prison abolitionist except for the 1/6 people which I would think is a civilization-ending policy. Unfortunately, the people who would depose him might not be us but would probably be other lefties. Like his prison policy would threaten other constituencies of the left since the big blue tourist areas would get bankrupted by his crime policy.

Whitney
Member
2 years ago

You know I remember that commercial with the Aboriginal and the stereotypical Jewish guy. It was really one of the most bizarre ones for sure! And the really weird thing about it is Aboriginal genes is they are extremely recessive. The English noted it right away they really thought they could just breed them out because within one generation you could barely even see that one parent was Aboriginal and within two it’s gone completely. Go look at all the represents representatives of the Aboriginal community in Australia they’re white people now

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

Huh. Everyone who mixes with white gets lighter- almost as if Whiteness is meant to be spread in the grand design.

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

OT, but if anyone doubts that inflation is running amok, Prince Andrew was just cut loose by the Royal Family of England and is facing a 10 million pound payout to settle his civil suit for banging a teenager 3 times 20 years ago. That has to be a world record for the price of pussy. And it may be unorthodox, but it’s a novel way to take down some of these power-mad politicians and oligarchs that plague us. This is the kind of counterattack that I would like to see continue. Think outside the box and smarter, not harder.… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

Let’s check in on liberal democracy

“The search is on in Canada for an anti-vaccination dad who is accused of hiding his 7-year-old daughter to keep her from being vaccinated against COVID-19.”

(Tweet by Auron McIntyre)

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

The thought of a father defying fanatical authorities to protect his 7-year old daughter touches my heart. Religious or not, whether it is Christ or Odin on the other end of the line, this is when I feel like praying. God I hope he makes it. I feel an urge to offer him and his little girl shelter. F the regime!

Pozymandias
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Fuck the regime indeed. This kind of reaction is visceral in me and you and most of the people here. When we see things like this, we don’t immediately focus on the particular Canadian twats in the government of America Lite that are harassing this guy but the system that gives them power to do so. This is why the elites are so scandalized when they hear FJB! as well. They know that anyone of any nationality now can say it and know what it means. The fact that the man himself is barely conscious is perfect. He’s the empty… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

It is bad enough that such an intimate measure, (the jab) would be physically forced! But that the rationale for the jab has fallen apart and is now widely agreed by the world authorities as no longer effective—and therefore unnecessary—is infuriating. These extreme measures remove all doubt as to the evil intentions of those presently in charge of our governments in much of the Western world.

This dispute is no longer a disagreement as to “the science”. It is now a test of wills. To lose this battle (masking, jabs, isolation/quarantine) can only lead to abject authoritarianism in the future.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Bless that father.

We Hate Everyone
We Hate Everyone
2 years ago

Zman towards the end: “They see conservatism as protecting the status quo”

That’s the perfect analysis to the underlying lefty ideal. Possibly even unto their souls. They are genetically inclined to “upset the apple cart”…

Think about it, The instinct of every “bad thinker” is resistance to lefties progress, which hinges on how forceful, coercive, or violent they attempt their “progressive agenda”. Then their are the libertarians!

Regardless, please don’t notice, much less comment, on the small hats in the current “progress”…

Memebro
Memebro
2 years ago

Re: the right to personal property I saw in some comments elsewhere on this post a discussion about the illusion of property rights. Just yesterday the Supreme Court yielded to the executive branch the right to enforce vaccine mandates on healthcare workers. This essentially was a declaration that Americans do not even have the right to claim their own bodies as personal property, if they happen to be healthcare workers..:an arbitrary distinction. What we live under is worse than communism. At least communists don’t pretend, don’t offer illusions, and you always know where you stand. As a person employed by… Read more »

We Hate Everyone
We Hate Everyone
Reply to  Memebro
2 years ago

The system is not your friend. See Below. Repeat again, by syllable: “The system is not my friend”

Now scream “The System Is Not My Friend and…I’m Not Going To Take It Anymore! I’m a G’dam Human Being!”

May your path have fulfillment every step of the way!

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  We Hate Everyone
2 years ago

Most everyone I meet in public is “not my friend”—but neither is he my enemy. I don’t know him and he doesn’t know me, but he minds his own business as I do. We coexist.

‘We Hate Everyone’ you are much too generous. The system is your *enemy*—not simply “not your friend”. It is not neutral toward you, unless you bow down and cringe at the system’s every edict.

I suspect you meant what I said above by your posting. But for any who don’t perceive the difference…the system is evil and corrupt. It is them or you.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Our desire to coexist and putting merchant values , a society of consumers and individualism ahead of civic virtues is the majority of our problem. I’ll probably be down-voted to oblivion for this but the Left’s emphasis on group identity and the greater good is the way societies are built. Race matters (though its a bit flexible) faith matters, private organizations matter, groups matter. A small nuclear family or worse atomized individual matters much less The ugly truth is a single ideology per polity, plus or minus 10% disagreement driven by shared tradition not managerialism is the only way to… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Memebro
2 years ago

“As a person employed by a company with 100 or more employees, I have spent the last 2 months wondering if I am going to lose the right to govern my own body.”

That’s still up to you. You can quit. My (former) healthcare worker daughter did.

Memebro
Memebro
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

Yes I suppose I can quit the career I’ve invested and dedicated 22 years of my life to, give up my pension, sell my house, start over from scratch, give up custody of my child so that he can go live with his mother… OR I could have the right to continue my life as normal and not be pressured into doing something against my will AND continue to be employed. Why does it have to be either/or? Why can’t I have the right to govern my own body AND be employed? Which side are you on anyway? Btw, good… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

My “Healthcare daughter” had her shots *and* her booster. She and hubby (also vexx’d) got Covid New Years. All the risk and none of the benefit. Basically, the *entire* immediate family got the dreaded Covid in the last year—regardless of vexxination!

I wish no ill on anyone, but it is, I admit, self satisfying that I alone refused vexxination and have survived to bear witness to this national folly.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

The system we’re living under is democratic fascism.

Globohomo as in globalized homogeneity is accurate too, but not as punchy.

We Hate Everyone
We Hate Everyone
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

I think it’s more of the road to self destruction paved with good intentions under the guise of good sounding words, like “democracy”, not complete until the new order lingo is established; which will be instead, “ruled by corporation”. Note that “corporation” and “cooperation” are only different by misplacing an “O” and moving an “R”. They know they have their agenda in the bag based on what they have just witnessed through this current “live exercise”, also known as the “scamdemic”, the “coof”, the “covaids”, or my personal favorite, “just the flu, bro”…. And as the difficulties that arise from… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Demonic fascism.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

Huh. Now that’s interesting:
Political factionalism in the colonies came from ethnic differences.

(Yankee English, Northern Norwegians, Central Germans, Southern Scots-Irish, Delta French, Western Irish, to name a few)

We Hate Everyone
We Hate Everyone
2 years ago

Zman sets the mood and tone with the intro to this podcast, once I heard it I just had to listen to the full song. For those interested to listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=budCAnOazY8&list=OLAK5uy_lT1sJKrCHQJwdnCqYNovEyXRjhJqHIUEI I have to ask if you are implying something subliminal to us. Are we really in a “Dance with Death”? Read the lyrics while you listen to the song… It starts out with “There are more things in heaven and earth Than are dreamt of in your philosophy” And ends with this: “To this day I guess I’ll never know Just why they let me go But I’ll never… Read more »

We Hate Everyone
We Hate Everyone
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

No doubt. Metal is a universal language amongst us all that beckon it’s call…

We Hate Everyone
We Hate Everyone
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

And as an extra to the link in your story, are you saying this man was only subject to listen to metal LIVE and had no access to listen to it in recreation as we are so spoiled?

Maybe all he had was the imprint of the memory to base his metal faith in?

If so, may we only aspire through the good graces of metal to match the fortitude of this man!

cg2
cg2
Reply to  We Hate Everyone
2 years ago

Dont know enough about metal to know if Deep Purple counts, but they still like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nv145Y_-lc

Frip
Member
Reply to  We Hate Everyone
2 years ago

“Zman I’m surprised you listen to this stuff being a full 15 years older than me.” No big surprise. Maiden’s first album came out in 1980. Z was about 14 years old. I’m not a huge Maiden fan but their latest album that came out last fall is their best in years. I’m always humored when bands offer their take on Zeppelin’s “Kashmir”. That Egyptian sweep, as I call it. The best take on Kashmir so far was Rainbow’s “Stargazer” from 1976. What a amazing beast that one is. Also, Blue Oyster Cult’s “Don’t Fear the Reaper” has shades of… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Its to stop Crown liability to damages in the US. Nothing more.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago
The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

In other news, Senator Sinema continues to make the right people really mad:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/were-breaking-her-keep-going-aclu-strategist-issues-chilling-tweet-against-sinema

Some have suggested that this is merely a long-term kayfabe plotline Kyrsten has hatched to appear as a moderate unifier leading to a 2024 presidential run.

We Hate Everyone
We Hate Everyone
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

You gotta say she has a way of bringing some choice taste of “freak” appeal to the congress floor: https://www.alternet.org/2019/01/conservative-faux-outrage-over-kyrsten-sinemas-thigh-high-boots-is-just-the-latest-in-gop-culture-war-stupidity/

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

If Kyrsten’s preferred means of generating tingles buys us a few more months, or even weeks of normalcy, then I’m all for it.

Speaking as someone who works in a plant where no one bats an eye if you show up in a stained wife beater and moth-eaten basketball shorts, it’s refreshing to note someone who gives half a rip about their public appearance.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Maybe we would have less of an actor class of politicians if they were banned from TV or public media in any form.

Then again most of the admin state is not in public and they are just the same.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Kyrsten Sinema is a puzzle to be sure. If the first you’ve heard of her is recently, you might be convinced it’s all show for her chance at reelection and national office. However, Sinema goes back to a long stint in the AZ House. During this time, she was a “maverick” as they say and often went against Dem party line givens. For example, she was the “go to” legislator to introduce pro 2nd amendment legislation during her tenure. AZ went from no concealed firearm carry to “Constitutional” carry—basically, no restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms. Of… Read more »

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

A cynic would say that perhaps she’s doing this at the behest of the democrats as part of a plan. Perhaps they don’t really want to get rid of the filibuster, but they want to make all the motions pretending they do. They know Manchin and Sinema can take the heat in their home states because those states lean team red anyway. This continues the two party dictatorship. Otherwise, the illusion of a two party “democracy” completely falls by the wayside.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  The Greek
2 years ago

You don’t have to be a cynic, although it pays to be one, to realize this is exactly what is happening. Whoever runs the illegitimate Biden junta has demanded the filibuster be kept in place to keep the illusion of the United States’ legitimacy intact.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

“You’re just saying that because you’re upset you can’t date her.”

That made me LOL to the point of hyperventilation. I am trying now to remember what I considered the *best* part of that statement, which had something to do with her boyfriend’s FEET, of all things, but my memory is on strike.

Anyhoo, thanks for the laugh!

Catxman
2 years ago

I nominate a “hyperpower-cathedral” for what we are living under. The French coined the term hyperpower to describe America, a souped-up version of a superpower. It’s more accurate than “empire” but it covers all the military bases spread out over the planet’s surface. It also connotes America’s cultural strength, its Hollywood movies and its exported TV shows. The Cathedral is the Mencius Moldbug term that is a bit like cultural marxism but more its own thing. It is the conjunction of media and academia that pushes for progressivism and Social Justice Warriorism at every turn. If you want to be… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Catxman
2 years ago

Catxman: Curtis Yarvin (Moldbug) has his own agenda, and many before me have noticed it undoubtedly influenced his labeling the edifice of PC and social justice with a Christian term. Reject Yarvin and his word salad. He may not be a full supporter of woke, but he’s not White, not pro-White, and I believe I read he’s also a Branch Covidian.

Catxman
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

If he’s not White, that changes things. When I’m on the Internet, I’m used to assuming everyone I speak with is a White Man like me. I should know better. When I go into my WordPress reader (I have my own website which you can visit by clicking on my name), tons of names flash by which are female. And a good chunk of these aren’t even white girls. I still think “Cathedral” encapsulates the nature and form of our present dominion well. It may be anti-Christian, but it carries a sense of grandeur and permanence that the media/academic Cathedral… Read more »

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Catxman
2 years ago

Christ beat you to it. He called it the Synagogue of Satan, 2000 years ago.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Dennis Roe
2 years ago

There is an interesting ron unz article on the specifics of talmudic judaism.

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/

It points out its not monotheistic at all and has many male and female gods including satan,

So Christ was not being hyperbolic it seems.

For some reason few outside the religion have nay knowledge of the actual practices and mistakenly think it uses the old testament as a source.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

Of course, Moldbug called our enemies “the Cathedral,” to draw attention away from his own people. I can think of another kind of religious temple that would be a better name for the challenges that we face.

John Bechtel
John Bechtel
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Driftwood Central Unz’s article mentions the mysteriously missing English translation of Solzhenitsyn’s two-volume Two Hundred Years Together (about Russian Jews). He claims parts of an unauthorized English translation are available online, but I haven’t found them. I would even settle for a copy of the French translation. The Solzhenitsyn website claims the official English translation will be released in 2024. Parts of about six pages in English are reproduced in The Solzhenitsyn Reader’s section on the original work, and they are straightforward enough that one can understand why a complete English translation has been repressed or delayed for decades. It… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  John Bechtel
2 years ago

archive.org/details/200YearsTogether

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

I read about half of Yarvin’s “Racist Letter to a Progressive from a Narcissistic Technocrat”, or whatever it’s called, and finally asked myself why I was doing this to myself and put it down forever. I don’t understand what people like about Moldbug, but I assume it mostly comes down to pretension.

I read Z every morning and it’s a good time, not a slog. Z knows a lot and has good ideas and expresses them in a way that a dummy like me can understand them. Looking forward to the book.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Catxman
2 years ago

“Evil Empire II” works is accurate and perfectly fine and doesn’t adopt the language of our vile and evil racial enemies.

KGB
KGB
2 years ago

OT: Yeah, not a third world culture at all. You know, these don’t look like the ones I see on every TV commercial. Why?

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1482073372129300480

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  KGB
2 years ago

There’s no better video to summarize America in 2022. I

SwissGuard
SwissGuard
Reply to  KGB
2 years ago

We don’t have a race problem in this country, we just have a problem race.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  SwissGuard
2 years ago

Chimps gonna chimp

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

If you want a term that embodies the visceral essence of the Managerial State and should therefore become common parlance going forward, I nominate “Rectal Cancer on the Potomac.”

Ploppy
Ploppy
2 years ago

Technocracy is probably the most applicable term: rule by an elite of “experts”. Plutocracy and authoritarianism are certainly present, but the way the system processes and neutralizes elites who cause any disturbance in the system suggests that they don’t really have the power, it’s the system that seems to have a life of its own and lashes out to defend itself from both reform efforts and elites that engage in sufficient levels of degeneracy to possibly provoke rebellion. My guess is that technological progress invariably leads to some kind of dystopian hive mind borg-esque civilization, and the problem we face… Read more »

james wilson
2 years ago

Tocqueville If despotism were to be established in present-day democracies, it would probably assume a different character; it would be more widespread and kinder; it would debase men without tormenting them. It is, above all, in the details that we risk enslaving men. Freedom in the big things of life is less important than in the slightest. Thus I think that the type of oppression threatening democracies will not be like anything there has been in the world before; our contemporaries would not be able to find any example of it in their memories. I, too, am having difficulty finding… Read more »

Disruptor
Disruptor
2 years ago

“They” gets tossed about as a universal. As if there is just one large collection of fungibles. If one runs “they” through a multidimensional spectrometer, one will see that it is not a bunch on interchangeables. A progressive soccer mom, Shanaquisha, Chuck Schumer have different understandings. For prog soccer mom, perhaps it is visions of sugarplum negro fairy dust.. Chuck is using it a as weapon: A stupid hodgepodge for us, but behind the scenes it is just weakening and pulverizing us for his ethnonational ambitions. It’s all well and good, I suppose, to use “they” as a crypsis so… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Disruptor
2 years ago

When you ask who “they” are then you are inviting voluminous replies from people, like me, who believe that they know.

Let’s just say that blacks and hispanics cannot create modern civilization on their own. Whatever power that these races have is granted to them by “they.”

The progressive soccer Moms are the most easily programmable creatures. They believe whatever they are told.

So I guess that just leaves Chuck Schumer.

SidVic
SidVic
2 years ago

Poverty of language? Speak for yourself. We are confronted by fuckedy, fucked fuckers. Plan accordingly.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Regarding managerialism it is interesting how the meaning of owning something is being diluted. You have this idea of what it means to ‘own’ something. It is yours to do with as you like. But that’s not what it means anymore. Now you need permits to do this or do that. It is very clear with real estate but not only real estate. There are things you can’t do to your car, even if you ‘own’ it. Here in Europe there is more or less universal firearms registration. I have an old shotgun in a hundred pieces. A pin came… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Moran: Absolutely ‘Marxism by the backdoor.’ You can buy property or acreage in the US, pay in full, but miss your annual tithe to the government and it’s not yours anymore. And then comes the thorny issue of where personal interest stops and community interest begins, i.e. what you can and should do with your property and where (how much zoning is enough and how much is too much). So many points to consider. Is there genuine allodial title anywhere anymore?

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

“Property” is a bundle of rights. For real estate, one of those rights is typically the right to exclude others. But the power company may have an easement, etc.

Rights are intangibles that only have meaningfulness to the extent that one can enforce them in the physical world.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

I know some here aren’t fans of Reagan, and I understand their anger at the amnesty, but he spelled this out 60 years ago in his Goldwater speech. What does it mean if you hold the deed or title to your business or property if the government holds the power of life and death over that business or property? Such machinery already exists. The government can find some charge to bring against any concern it chooses to prosecute. Every businessman has his own tale of harassment. Somewhere a perversion has taken place. Our natural inalienable rights are now considered to… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  KGB
2 years ago

Reagan was an excellent speaker who had some great one-liners.

My disappointment with him is that his actions in office often deviated pretty far from the soaring rhetoric.

Listening to his Goldwater speech, I am always struck by how intrusive the government was in ’64 with the far more limited info harvesting they had at the time.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Having actions that deviated from campaign rhetoric makes Reagan just another politician, which shouldn’t surprise anyone.

We Hate Everyone
We Hate Everyone
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

The magic of the system is to impress on us that we all live with a magical being called choice, and the freedom to engage with it. My impression is that they let us live under subtle oppression by overt impression. 13 minutes in and Z is talking about everything being regulated. Not just for bad thinkers, but for everyone in AINO: Right Down to your present or future movements, enjoyments, progeny, thoughts, beliefs, ambitions, faith, what you trust, all tied in with your senses. It goes on and on and on… I mean everything, And now with the great… Read more »

tashtego
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

I have come to look at it as a natural process in accordance with basic human nature. A ruling class evolved that in our case did so under tolerably unique circumstances so it has some interesting spins on otherwise timeless patterns for the trajectory of an empire. Those differences are unimportant except perhaps for the technical difference that nuclear weapons provide a virtual guarantee of territorial security from outside invasion. This fact extends the depths of degeneracy to which our ruling class may sink without fear of external powers seizing the opportunity their weakness presents to supplant them by direct… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
2 years ago

I could almost accept the “our democracy” thing, if they actually meant it. But they don’t. “Democracy” is the excuse they use to do whatever it is they want to do even if that issue was put to a vote and the voters didn’t want it. Take the gay marriage shit. This was a court ruling overturning the popular vote on the issue in the most progressive state in the country, California. Blacks and mestizos voted overwhelmingly against the gay shit. They didn’t care. They just undid it with their men in dresses. Almost every evil thing they do is… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

“Almost every evil thing they do is entirely outside of “our democracy” or even democratic “rules”.”

Excellent post, but may I just add that it depends upon your definition–or let’s say, rather, *the* definition of democracy?

If you define democracy as
“a polity in which the well-organized few rule over the unorganized many” then the stuff “they” do makes perfect sense.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

The big three evil doers Lincoln Wilson FDR.

Sort order varies according to topic. Wilson for example tops the War mongering globalism, FDR for domestic abuse and all made possible by the demolition of a Federal Republic perpetrated by Dishones Abe.

Spingehra
Spingehra
2 years ago

Hello Z I don’t know how WV land use laws work.. However I imagine there might be some flexibility depending upon how much land you own. For instance in my state (admittedly, communist ) Laws that were written for larger land holders,Timber companies,large farms etc. Often can binifit smaller owners. Here if you own 20 acres or more it can be classified as agricultural. In our case a tree farm. This allows building use on up to one acre while still only paying very low agricutural property tax. This might be something to look into in WV . There other… Read more »

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Spingehra
2 years ago

We have been at it for a while. It’s a labor of love & hope.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Spingehra
2 years ago

Step 1: Live in an unzoned, unincorporated township. After that, nobody can be really bothered to pay attention to what you do as long as it’s small scale. Obviously, they’re going to notice if you start up your own strip mine. But putting up barns and sheds for whatever your mysterious purposes are on agricultural lands, nobody gives a fig. If you’re subtle enough, you can slip it by the county health department, too, but about all they care about is whether you’re putting in a septic or aeration system, and where it’s running.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

Where we are un permitted septic systems are the norm.
Exact boundaries are not always exact. The only thing I’ve had to get any kind of permit for is to drill a well. Only because the drilling company can’t or won’t drill without it. We are not in the middle of nowhere. But I suppose that’s perspective.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Spingehra
2 years ago

When I bought my little piece of Utopia, I asked the realtor how the land was zoned. He looked at me sideways and said, “out here, short of a nuclear reactor, you can do what you want”. Grant it, I can’t see my next door neighbor, but it was refreshing to know that I could dig a hole without having to get permission. I had my Amish neighbors out to give me some numbers on upgrading the exterior of my dairy barn.(no I don’t have any livestock). They were amazed at how good a shape it was in. They suggested… Read more »

Eloi
Eloi
2 years ago

‘Administered collectivism’ would be my label. Undoubtedly, the individual and his autonomy have been completely subverted and replaced by adherence to abstract, state created ‘values.’ I put the emphasis on administered as it is an active process: we are funneled through schools and indoctrinated via media in order to hold these beliefs. The label of collectivism further develops the fetish for multiculturalism, health care, etc.; really, any of their main goals. The fact that it is administered also highlights the top down imposition of values. I believe the built in opposite, individualism, highlights the only counterpoint to this development. Finding… Read more »

John Flynt
John Flynt
2 years ago

An arrow in the quiver of oligarchy (rule by a tiny amount of elites) and against the managerialism model is zionism. Zionism has institutional support despite the managerial class when polled are against it. Zionism is colonialist, identitarian, demands an apartheid state: all against wokeist managerial morality. Yet a small amount of rulers can bludgeon the managerial and credentialed class with brute force (often quite clumsily) to cow tow to a zionist agenda. And the cope that the managerial class puts on to explain this and retreat from a fight against the oligarchs is laughable. Apparently dirt people are the… Read more »

Diversity Heretic
Member
2 years ago

Any term that we devise has to recognize the particular role of women and feminized men in the present managerial state. Matriarchy isn’t quite right because it implies government by mothers, which might be an improvement from what we have now; mothers usually genuinely care about the next generation. I think Z-man has used “gynocracy” in the past, so perhaps a form of that word would be appropriate.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
2 years ago

Re: “Gynocracy”

The word “hysteria” was coined in medical Latin as an abstract noun from Greek hystera “womb,” […]. Originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus.”

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=hysteria

Discuss.

acetone
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Rather than hysteria, how about panic?

From this we get “Panarchy” or rule by emotionally insane. Derived from panikos in Greek: sensation of fear, anxiety or agitation, blocking out logical behavior.

Explains the role of emotional women and feckless men in enabling our politics. Explains how moral outrage is the key political resource (covid, floyd, kids in cages, dead baby on the beach, etc). Fear and emotion is the driver of all political actions now. Shows how Ben Shapiro’s “facts don’t care about your feelings” is the exact reverse of the truth of our age.

acetone
Member
Reply to  acetone
2 years ago

And one more: “Agitarchy”, rule by the anxious. Modern root is agita (agitation, anxiety). Etymology of word is Italian “acido”, or heartburn according to Webster. Similar descriptive utility to Panarchy w/r/t emotion driving politics in women and weak men, reliance on emotion over facts in decision making etc. I do think that a description that references the dominance of emotions/emotional decision making of some sort is the most fundamental way of describing the politics of our age as is explains problems in many arenas (politics, business, law, religion, government bureaucracy, military, press). Only narratives that have emotional draw can move… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  acetone
2 years ago

Both are first-rate suggestions. Panarchy and agitarchy. Love it!

There’s also the (relatively) old “anarcho-tyranny.”

But yes, this is particularly well put:

“Only narratives that have emotional draw can move the political needle now. “

Eloi
Eloi
2 years ago

C.S. Lewis described this government (and all governments) perfectly: Oligarchy, for it ‘is more than one and less than all.’

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

plutocracy (n.)

“government by the wealthy class; a class ruling by virtue of wealth,” 1650s, from Greek ploutokratia “rule or power of the wealthy or of wealth,” from ploutos “wealth” (see Pluto) + -kratia “rule” (see -cracy). Synonym plutarchy is slightly older (1640s). Pluto-democracy “plutocracy masquerading as democracy” is from 1895.

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=plutocracy

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Rule by old people. Gerontocracy.

Biden, Trump, Pelosi, Schumer, Warren, McConnell, Romney, Clinton, Sanders. Why does everyone have to be in their 8th decade?

Because it takes time and money to recruit, bribe, and “season” your team of toadies. They need money to run again. Big loss of power, influence, and money if you lose someone – it means you have to recruit someone new, train him properly, and it make take decades for him to attain that same level of influence, especially if he has an oz of self respect or integrity.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  BeAprepper
2 years ago

It’s alot easier for the Shnozz to keep payin off the old fucks till they’re shit your pants crazy. Starting new with idealogical idiots is a pain in the ass, you gotta get em on film, fuckin a kid, before they grok the program.

KGB
KGB
2 years ago

I wonder if the better tactic isn’t to eschew ideological descriptors and instead strive for the personal. You can’t deny that Trump was very successful in tarring his opponents with easy to remember, disparaging nicknames. In the end, that’s also what drives the cloudies insane — to be ridiculed. If you attack their religiously grounded belief systems, they can dismiss you with claims of being an apostate. But laugh and sneer at them and they shift all their defenses away from the abstract and onto a very narrow ground dealing with their own personal pride. Z-man’s talked about it before,… Read more »

ProZNoZ
ProZNoZ
2 years ago

“Credentialocracy”.

(No matter how stupid you are, how little you’ve accomplished, no matter how many people you literally killed, it’s rule by those with all the right finishing school paperwork)

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  ProZNoZ
2 years ago

Reminds me when, as young, young kids, we would get together to form a “band” even though none of us knew how to play an instrument (“I’ll be the guitarist, I’ve never even seen a guitar in real life but I see people on TV play them all the time so how hard could it be?”)

Aristophanes
Member
2 years ago

“Satanism” comes to mind.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Aristophanes
2 years ago

Indeed. I just call them ‘Evil’.

Everyone knows what that means.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

AOC thinks you are evil.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

But AOC is literally Hitler.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

You’re just saying that because you’re upset you can’t date her.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
2 years ago

One important point people miss about managerialism, or at least don’t talk about much, is how all of these endless rules are weaponized, including the criminal law. This is done primarily through selective enforcement. Bureaucrats and police and DAs and on and on all have “discretion” They can chose to enforce the law or not. Police take it even further with their “no duty to act” and “limited” (unlimited) immunity. The police can literally stand outside a building while children are mowed down inside and do nothing and they cannot be held accountable. The Kyle Rittenhouse trial is a perfect… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

Everything comes down to organized force. There is nothing else.

You have none. So the organized force (with its many actors) is always going to crush you.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
2 years ago

Topics like this always fascinate me because it is an interesting window into how much more ‘we’ care about this than they do. I think people just like to talk and theorize but it really accomplishes very little. Why come up with clever names when there is a perfectly good name already in existence even if it perhaps needs a modifier out in front of it? It carries particular sting because along with ‘racism’ it is the greatest evil ever conceived by these people, hence why they fling it around so freely. Opposite Rule of Liberalism applies here as always.… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Apex Predator
2 years ago

I agree, Apex. Whilst it is academically interesting to think about these things, from a practical standpoint, it doesn’t matter. The word I use is ‘Evil’, and it seems to be known by all. It doesn’t have a fancy prefix and end with an ‘-ism’. This is sort of related to the way that many defend themselves from charges of some ‘-ism’ by attempting to reason with Evil. The Evil does not care; you are best off either calling The Evil what it is, ignoring it, or destroying it (if possible). And it is certainly something that ‘we’ seem to… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
2 years ago

“Why come up with clever names…”

It’s much easier if you don’t name the guy in your sights. It’s less troubling to shoot “Enemy troop #26” than “Bob” even if you know Bob is a bastard.

(Government System) — Your average HOA*

*Yeah, I know who you’re really getting at. That definition is also one written by (Government System)’s enemies.

acetone
Member
2 years ago

synkinarchy — rule by emotion

From the Greek synkinisi: emotion, thrill, pathos

acetone
Member
Reply to  acetone
2 years ago

patharchy — rule by sympathy

From the Greek pathos: feeling of pity or sympathy

Has the benefit of looking similar to pathology (disease).

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  acetone
2 years ago

And the adjective form is ‘pathetic’!

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  acetone
2 years ago

“From the Greek pathos: feeling of pity … .

An excellent book was published in that very subject in 1970. There’s now a 1995 edition of “The Politics of Guilt and Pity.” Highly recommended.

https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Guilt-Pity-Rousas-Rushdoony/dp/1879998076

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  acetone
2 years ago

Sphynctarky- Rule by assholes.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Bilejones
2 years ago

Ooh, I like it.

It would particularly incense The Credentialed who are so often obsessed with concision and etymology. It would be a mindworm to them, undeniably pithy, undeniably accurate, rather like one of Trump’s insults such as “Lyin’ Ted”, a can tied to their tail.

Diversity Heretic
Member
2 years ago

Good show by the Z-man, but my reading of Burnham’s 1940 book is slightly different. I believe that he was still a Marxist when he wrote it, but that he believed that Marx had erred in identifying the class that would take power next. Marx believed that the class that was closest to the means of production would inevitably become the rulers. Capitalists succeeded aristocrats because capitalists were closer to the industrial means of production. Workers would, in Marx’s view, succeed capitalists because workers were closer to the means of production. Burnham still believed that there would be a succession,… Read more »

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
2 years ago

Hoover is definitely the most misunderstood president, mostly because he was a great executive but a terrible politician (an Anti-Trump, if you will). Prior to his presidency, he was generally regarded as one the most well-liked executives, not just in America, but the western world, because of his philanthropy and organizational genius. Ironically, his presidency was sabotaged by Senator FDR who, after defeating Hoover’s reelection bid, proceeded to carry out the relief programs that he had stonewalled Hoover on.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
2 years ago

I tend to trust Calvin Coolidge’s character judgments.

“Barack Obama isn’t fit to hold my horse’s reins.” — Calvin Coolidge, Twitter, 1923.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
2 years ago

One problem we have with the “poverty of language” is our most effective rhetoric gets banned on social media platforms. I’m surprised SJW has largely remain unbanned.

If we come up with a real zinger, like NPC to describe globohomo (itself a banned term), they will immediately ban it.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Here’s another try:

Corporate Feudalism

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Shadowrun without all the elves and dragons.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Feudalism is exactly what we DO need. It is necessarily local and personal. If it ceases to be local, it ceases to be feudalism, and it doesn’t matter that feudalism once comprised the whole of Europe. It was local in every instance. The fact that it was happening at the same time is not a consideration. And it is also reciprocal, with clearly defined obligations on each side. Each party knows *precisely* what his obligations are, and if he fails to fulfill them, he knows what the penalties are. Feudalism also arose and sustained itself in a time when “law”… Read more »

Mark Auld
Mark Auld
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Well hells bells IP, maybe this pandemic will have an upside after all!

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Mark Auld
2 years ago

Something to live for!

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

Sometimes visual imagery can do what words cannot. For example, when I was a young lad, the iconography of my parents age was reflected in the artwork of Norman Rockwell and his caricatures of everyday life in America. This was an effective platform that united people under a common ideal of shared aspirations, even if your personal life was less than ideal. That artwork symbolized a nation of working men and stay-at-home moms raising kids. Those ideals are dead now and have been replaced by an artificial ethos centered around government-fueled corruption and parasitism. If Rockwell were alive today, instead… Read more »

Bob555
Bob555
2 years ago

*ahem*… Globohomo

Redpill Boomer
Redpill Boomer
2 years ago

My fave term is globohomo which like fakeemail put it isapt but crude. Also kakistocracy.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Redpill Boomer
2 years ago

“Also kakistocracy.”

I had to look that one up. Thought it had to do with the German “kacken.” Which does make sense. To me, anyway.

Thanks for the lesson.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Redpill Boomer
2 years ago

Globohomo as initially intended isn’t crude; it has nothing to do with pillow-biters. It is a contraction of global homogenization which is well underway and continuing apace.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Bilejones
2 years ago

It works well as a double meaning and perfectly describes both sides of this problem.

herrman
herrman
Member
2 years ago

I’m getting spam to my email and it’s linked to thezman blog, pretty much daily now. Just another scam out there, which is the actual state of our current political regime. Scamocracy: a political system who’s sole purpose is to fleece the population of as much wealth as possible before the pyramid scheme collapses.

fakeemail
fakeemail
2 years ago

“The bad guys have a million ways to label their enemies, but the good guys are lacking a language to categorize the other side.” On the contrary, there are MANY words to label the bad guys. But they are not political words per se; rather they are crude but apt words that bluntly say what those people ARE. They are not polite and honestly shouldn’t be used (much) in a sane society under control of good guys, but they are truth. As such, those words have been banned as political slurs, hate words, and to utter one of those words,… Read more »

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  fakeemail
2 years ago

I’ve had my name on more than one color of shirt most of my life. So I am not so sensitive, Crudity usually nails it & useing any form of vulgarity to describe those who are destroying western civilization is far far better than they deserve. I would feel worse about steeping on a cockroach than kicking a chair out from under them and watching their last quivers.

Anna
Anna
2 years ago

Call it Corruptocracy

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Globohomo is a fun phrase but isn’t serious enough for the job. Corporatism isn’t bad but doesn’t really elicit the emotional response. Neo-feudalism is probably accurate as to what the elites want in the end, but people won’t buy it because we have “elections.”

Globalism seems to touch a nerve with Normies.