The Crisis Of Doubt

A basic requirement of every human society is that it must have a set of rules that define the society and the people in it. It is this shared understanding of what defines the society that keeps the thing together. “Who we are” is defined by “what we do” and it is the commonsense of the people. People living in a monarchy take the king and the nobility for granted. To question the legitimacy of the king is to question the very nature of society and the rules that define it.

In modern America, the experts who run the country have become one of these fixed things that everyone accepts. For example, the head of the Federal Reserve runs the banking system and controls the money supply. Since Alan Greenspan made the job famous, Americans have just accepted that the person in this job is responsible for keeping the economy from danger. He does not set taxes or control spending, but he makes sure the economy avoids catastrophe.

This general assumption is not without merit. It was the Federal Reserve that pulled the country out of stagflation in the 1980’s. They kept the Savings & Loan crisis from creating a bank run. In the 1990’s, they organized the bailout of Long Term Capital Management and then navigated the Dot-Com bust. They came to the rescue of the global economy in the mortgage crisis. So far, they have managed to prevent the Covid panic from cratering the economy.

There is a lot one can quibble with in that list and many will say that those crises were the fault of the bankers, including the Fed. To most people though, the mysterious group of people who run the economy are one thing you can trust. Even though trust in government at all levels has declined sharply over the last few decades, the Federal Reserve remains the most trusted institution. Most years, the Fed chairman has better approval than the president.

In a world where people assume there is an answer to every problem and an expert able to find the answer, there is an assumption that whatever problems crop up, the people in charge will find the solution. This is what makes managerialism both possible and tolerable. If the experts keep getting things wrong, what is the point of having a society run by experts? People put up with the metastasizing set of rules because there is a general trust that there is logic behind them.

This trust in experts is not new. It has been a defining characteristic of American society since at least the 19th century. Taylorism was the attempt to use science to improve management of companies in the 1880’s. That gave birth to the Efficiency Movement, which sought to apply engineering principles to social policy. What we think of as the Left in America grew out of this belief that social reform could be achieved by experts changing the rules of society to achieve the desired outcome.

The fact is the strength of the American system over the last century has been this faith in the experts to find the right answer. When things go wrong, the current experts are fired and new experts are brought in to solve the problem. Elections have been an indirect review of the experts class. If the people are not happy, they vote for the other party who come in with new experts. If things go well, then the party is rewarded with a good election the next time.

That is what makes the current crisis so serious. Most people think the experts badly bungled the Covid problem. The experts said we had two weeks to bend the curve and two years into it the curve is not bent. The vaccine was supposed to be the great triumph of science and technology and it is looking like it is not only not working but possibly a billion dollar boondoggle. The last two years have been a massive blow to the credibility of science in modern America.

Then you have the economic troubles. Most people assumed there would be some trouble from the Covid panic. You cannot close down the economy for months and not have consequences. Unlike those prior economic crises, the Fed is not skillfully navigating this one. Empty shelves and spirally prices are not what people expect from the expert class. Things that could be acquired in days now take months because the supply chain is a chaotic mess.

The deeper problem is the old habit of just voting for the out-party when things are not doing well has not been working either. People voted for Obama to close the books on the history of race. Instead, race relations got sharply worse. Obama was supposed to end the forever wars and he expanded them. Trump was the shot across the bow by the people and the system responded with a four year tantrum. Biden was supposed to be the return to normal and we have chaos instead.

This is why 70% of Americans think the country is in a serious crisis. They are not puzzling it out like this, but they just sense that the system has broken and there is no one around with an understanding of how to fix it. One of the paradoxes of the current age is the people in charge say we are in the middle of a crisis, but then wage jihad against anyone proposing a way out of the crisis. Their solution to “save democracy” is to eliminate any trace of it from society.

The core of the current crisis is that no one can honestly answer the question that is the basis of all human organization, who are we? It is no longer easy to say what it means to be an American. The commonsense that are the rules of society are no longer making sense, which calls into question the basics of society. We used to be a people who assumed the experts would eventually get it right. Now we are a people wondering if there is such a thing as experts at all.


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Wade Hampton
Wade Hampton
2 years ago

“…The core of the current crisis is that no one can honestly answer the question that is the basis of all human organization, who are we?…”

The reason no one can answer that question is that there is no “we”. There is only them and us. Derb has it right when he describes our current state as one of “cold civil war”.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  Wade Hampton
2 years ago

I too wanted to highlight these couple of sentences. but I would say, as a Gen Xer raised in the 80s, that at one time, I thought that the rules did make the people residing in the borders of the US a “we” in that we all respected these rules.

Of course, there were problems with the rules, affirmative action, but it wasn’t bad enough that I mistrused the rules.

But the rules are breaking down, and maybe because the rules , or the “proposition nation” could never make a “we”.

Gman
Gman
Member
2 years ago

‘Quid est homo?’

Always the most important question.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  Gman
2 years ago

a unity of body and soul, designed for the Beautific Vision if one becomes a member of Gods Church, the RCC, and follows His commandment!

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Speaking of experts, I’m sitting here at my kitchen table trying to slog my way through my engineering alma mater’s 2021 year in review magazine after 2/3rds of a good ribeye and a glass of Argentinian wine.

The content and writing is so horrifically bad I’m gobsmacked. All the talk about making fair AI and projects to help the poor that are cover for developing the worldwide slave grid are the mere beginning….

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

What is an unfair AI?

The concept is ludicrous to the extreme. If I had junior programmers that spouted such stupidity I would get them moved off my team in a heartbeat. A denial of the mechanics of the way any of the neural nets or classification algorithms are trained on data is indicative of someone who is going to be a shit developer, producing shit code.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Trumpton-

From the magazine:

“Called, ‘Fairness in AI,’ this project aims to identify and mitigate bias in AI and Machine Learning systems to achieve long-lasting equitable outcomes.”

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

As I said. Anti-reality nonsense combined with algorithmic ignorance.

You have to feed the algorithms knowingly false data in order to produce a fake pre-defined outcome that mis-classifies the real world.

You are training kids to systematically and intentionally falsify data as accepted practice.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

Our institutions may be run by “experts,” many even credentialed, but that doesn’t make them especially competent or even honest. I go way back (to my teens, and I’m in my 60s now) reading some of Dad’s books. He was a paleoconservative. I have read more than my share of “alternative” views of the Fed. One thing Z forgets to mention in the cited financial crises (and many more he didn’t) is a dirty little secret: the Fed exists so that the rich can get richer. I’ll spare you the details, but they can be found in dusty old books,… Read more »

Fred Beans
Fred Beans
2 years ago

“Experts say” “Experts say”…the 2 most discredited words in recent memory. Never used to bother me but it’s almost like a red flag whenever I see it now, it’s always in the twitter sidebar and practically every story from the MSM. If Biden somehow runs again that should be his campaign motto, lol.

Catxman
2 years ago

Yeah, let’s get rid of the experts. I have a great idea that dovetails nicely into that: let’s bring back the religious oracles. They’ll solve our problems for us. Who cares about two hundred years of modern-day practice into economics and technology and science, after all? With Covid, it’s such an EASY solution we should be blaming these experts for fumbling it in the first place. F**k, they’re ALL easy solutions.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Catxman
2 years ago

Faux’xi is a religious Oracle.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Catxman
2 years ago

Hey, that man, is it straw?

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Catxman
2 years ago

Experts are only expert if their predictions repeatedly are more accurate than the average.

Otherwise they are less than useless at best and highly dangerous at worst.

Everyone who fails to cross this line should be booted from consideration without exception.

Frip
Member
2 years ago

Z: “We used to be a people who assumed the experts would eventually get it right. Now we are a people wondering if there is such a thing as experts at all.”

Yep. It’s that shudder you feel once you realize you’re actually wiser than your dad, and your mom’s a bimbo.

jim regina
jim regina
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

“Yep. It’s that shudder you feel once you realize you’re actually wiser than your dad, and your mom’s a bimbo.”

You may think faster and have much better near term memory, but it’s rare to be wiser !!

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Small victory in England as most Beer Flu restrictions are dropped:

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/01/19/government-announces-end-of-pandemic-restrictions-including-mask-mandate-gone-from-january-26th/

Bojo didn’t kill himself.

More importantly, does this mean I can go party in Bermuda without a clot shot?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Holy schmidt. That’s huge.
This news in the midst of the Omicron Extinction Level Event.

Better not be the typical squeeze-and-release psych torture, or I’ll have Niall Ferguson’s head on a pike.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Maybe we should make an agreement with the ruling class, not that we won’t put their heads on pikes but that if they do us a solid, we’ll move them down the priority list for pikings. As Arnold said “I like you, I pike you last”.

Joshua Shalet
Joshua Shalet
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

Or: “I used to kill for money, but because your my friend I’ll kill you for free”

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

Nope.

If everyone skates from this its going to be a disgrace.

I can’t see it happening given the sheeeeep passivity, but there needs to be real consequence for the admin class that has destroyed society over this f’ing stupidity.

Impoverishing them should be first port of call.

Angarrack
Angarrack
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

I have been saying for some time that lumping England in with Canada and Australia is not always the wisest decision. The Coronavirus idiocy just has not been policed as aggressively in England the way it has in much of the West. Mask policy in my neck of the woods has ,at best, been advisory.

Xman
Xman
2 years ago

“Most years, the Fed chairman has better approval than the president.”

Most people have no idea who the hell the Fed Chair is or WTF he does. If Mark Dice were to interview random bimbos and Negroes on the street and ask them who Jerome Powell is, it would be hilarious. Probably not one in a hundred would have the slightest clue… maybe not even one in five hundred.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Xman
2 years ago

@Xman. You must have wanted to simply state the obvious. Because Zman didn’t say otherwise.

imbroglio
imbroglio
2 years ago

This column is a bit flabby, unusual for Z. The Misesians, as usual, called this economic charade as they’ve called similar ones in the past. Granted you can always say the sky WILL fall and one day be proved right, but the LRC/Woods branch of the Rothbardian tree pretty much always gets it right. To the larger point: “Who We Are” evolves. The children of today’s mojados from South of the Border will be tomorrow’s conservative upholders of Anglo traditions. If I were a white nationalist, I wouldn’t bitch about “what have they done to our country.” I’d draw on… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  imbroglio
2 years ago

Excellent advice. That’s how the Others do it, since they’ve been dealing with corrupt liars in their society since forever.

An Indian- in Philly, I think, maybe Jersey- told me his people never worry about banks or babysitters.

They pool their resources so they don’t need outside help, with its strings attached.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

“An Indian- in Philly, I think, maybe Jersey- told me his people never worry about banks or babysitters.

They pool their resources so they don’t need outside help, with its strings attached.”

And that’s how they’ve built such a thriving economy.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Bilejones
2 years ago

Ha! I hear the guys who build walls with glass chips embedded in the top are making a bloody fortune!

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Alzaebo: Just interior strings – you owe your extended family and tribe or jati any favors and employment and payouts you can finagle. How to build a corrupt, nepotistic, tribal society with no social trust and no concept of the common good, i.e. all non-White, non-Western society.

Come on Alzaebo, you’re smarter than this. And using an Indian in Philly or Jersey as a source? Why are you even willingly interacting with him?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

Ooh, good point, 3g.
The ones I talk to are smothered, I mean absolutely choking on the web of obligations, favors, reminders, promises, duties, business responsibilities. And THEN they have to deal with the outside world. At home, that means other tribes and with all of their load too.

Anyone with employees (all tribe, of course) is completely frazzled.
Trust? Heck, it’s more like a high-wire act.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

That’s how the Amish do it. Then again, they ALL work like animals, save every penny to the point of living a largely 19th-century lifestyle, and reinvest heavily in buying properties or starting businesses… but it can produce prosperity.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Lol. The Amish are cash-poor, have genetic defects from inbreeding, and a surprising number of them don’t own the land they farm. Ironically, their supply chains are just trashed as everyone else’s because they are just as reliant on manufactured goods. At least, that’s what two of my Amish neighbors have told me. It ultimately doesn’t matter whether you’re tribalistic or open borders: if your lifestyle is predicated on buying manufactured goods at any point, you are going to struggle the next couple years.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

At the moment with dairy getting squeezed, I don’t doubt they’re feeling pressure. At the same time, I had a neighbor who owned 6 farms when he died, and I know of another guy who bought a couple of farms just to do something with the money he had. And farmland here goes for $20-30k/acre these days. Basically if you’ve got your eye on a rural property with with enough land to build a small horse barn you dread seeing buggies at the auction lol. Maybe that’s just my neck of the woods.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  imbroglio
2 years ago

The Hard Money goldbugs have successfully predicted 5 of the last 2 recessions.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
2 years ago

What broke me of gold-bugism was a book by David Graeber (sp?) called Debt. Historically, debt was only possible in high-trust societies, and led to economic growth. Hard metal currencies only existed when trust was low, and only happened long enough to restore social trust. I would guess there will be a return to a gold standard in my lifetime, but I doubt it will be the panacea the goldbugs claim.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 years ago

Who are we? To paraphrase the TDS guys, we are a large, Jewish owned shopping mall without borders. Our reason to exist is to consume product and do into debt, and to stay in debt, eviscerated and severed from all history and culture. But the mall is getting old and seedy, and full of dangerous foreign thugs. It’s not a nice place to be anymore like it was in the 80’s. And each store now has the same Chinese merchandise. In hindsight, America will clearly be seen for what it was. The refined pinnacle of a modern consumer economy. A… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Very well said. Nothing to add other than you’re right.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

“But tribalism doesn’t exist for the good times.”

Check, and mate.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

As others said, well said!

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Your post made me think of a couple lines from the great Jackson Browne song “The Pretender.” I’m going to be a happy idiot And struggle for the legal tender Where the ads take aim and lay their claim To the heart and the soul of the spender And believe in whatever may lie In those things that money can buy Though true love could have been a contender Are you there? Say a prayer for the Pretender Who started out so young and strong Only to surrender – Though I am no Jackson Browne fan, that, right there, is… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

” But tribalism doesn’t exist for the good times.”

Best line I’ve read in a long time.

Strike Three
Strike Three
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

“The core of the current crisis is that no one can honestly answer the question that is the basis of all human organization, who are we? It is no longer easy to say what it means to be an American. The commonsense that are the rules of society are no longer making sense, which calls into question the basics of society.” I am an orthodox Christian, but do any of the other Z-manians feel that we’re drifting into a new “yuga”, or age, wherein the humans who are born 50 years from now will be another species entirely? As a… Read more »

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

“we are a large, Jewish owned shopping mall without borders.” This reminds me so much of a phrase a BadThinker that was just canceled recently use to say that I found utterly hilarious. ModernHeretic3000 who was on wordpress and I’m surprised it took them so long to nuke that site as it was about as un-PC as possible. But the phrase and I really think I may have some T-Shirts made. Instead of God Bless America! “God Bless the North American Globalist Kosher Bodega Economic Zone!” 😂 Truth. And peak Clown World. Imagine walking around with a T-shirt like that… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Apex Predator
2 years ago

I’m still trying to figure out why Modern Heretic 3000 hasn’t popped up somewhere else. It’s been a few months since WordPress brought the hammer down.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
2 years ago

” Empty shelves and spirally prices are not what people expect from the expert class. Things that could be acquired in days now take months because the supply chain is a chaotic mess.” One of the guys who came up with the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect wrote a book either on “experts” or there was a chapter on “experts” and how they screw up everything they touch. He used an example from the BLM. They took over some land to “improve” it. Of course, comically and predictably, everything got worse no matter what they did. Housing projects are a good example.… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Rather than the Fed being particularly great at its job, I’d say that, like America itself, the fed is burning through capital built by it predecessors. By the early 1980s, the fed’s fund rate was at an astonishing 19%. In addition, private and public debt was at ~160% of GDP. This gave the fed a lot of room to play with. At first, it just used interest rates. Every time the economy or market show any signs of distress, lower rates. Then, in the recovery, you raise the rates back up, but not as high as they were before the… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

The fed’s track-record is terrible. It blew up one of the largest bubbles in American history at the time, the 1920s and then sat back and did nothing as the world went into a deflationary depression caused by the bursting of the bubble the fed itself created. With the exception of portions of the 1930s, which were highly deflationary, the fed has been causing inflation for as long as they’ve been around. With the exception of the war periods, there was no inflation from the 1600s till the creation of the fed. Prices fell throughout that entire period. The problem… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

The dollar being the world’s reserve currency affords the US some serious benefits, but it also helped hollow out the manufacturing base. From the early 1970s onward, we had to run trade deficits with oil-importing countries because they could only buy oil with dollars. Well, which countries import oil? Manufacturing countries. First, it was Europe and Japan. Later, it was China and other parts of Asia. We turned over large portions of the manufacturing to them to balance out the reserve currency system. The world should have reset the global monetary system after the fall of the Soviet Union, but… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Once again all true. ^^^^

But human nature being human nature, like in the Lord of the Rings we would have had to willingly give up the ring. The last thing the D.C. people would have ever wanted. As a matter of fact the whole “new world order” speech from Bush 1 encapsulated their thoughts at the time, and does to this day. As the country destabilizes, watch them all gather behind Pompeo, who, if elected, would start WW3.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

And that idiocy traces back to the Bretton-Woods Conference. They teach you in school the Marshall Plan was created to rebuild Europe, but it was actually to implement Keynesian economics and the US as the reserve currency. This implementation of the US as the gold backed currency inevitably led to deficit – how else could the world do business in US dollars without the US flooding the world with dollars? The Nixon Shock, and its resultant drop in demand for US dollars, led to the aforementioned idiocy. Certainly, though, for a time, there were major perks.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

Boy, you guys are really convincing me tobacco farming is the way to go!

Inquiring minds
Inquiring minds
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

“The problem is that our system is now entirely built around “growth” and if it does not grow, at least nominally, the wheels come off.”

I have never understood why purported conservatives were willing to go along with a highly unrealistic “all growth all the time” model for our country and economy. It boggles the mind that anyone would think that good times can last forever.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Inquiring minds
2 years ago

Hundreds of years of population growth can lead to delusion assumptions.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Inquiring minds
2 years ago

When you’re levered nearly 4 to1 as a society, deflation is not your friend.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Every word that Citizen of a Silly country said above is true, and very succinctly written. Even worse, a substantial increase in interest rates will put that $30 trillion of Federal debt alone into a pyramiding death spiral (not including state, local, corporate, personal, etc.) Heck, it’s nearly there on its own in a few more years. Powell is no better or worse than any of the other clowns that headed the place over the years, but I think in hindsight, in even wanting a second term, like nearly all the others in that position, he chose his own ego… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Probably why Powell was appointed in the first place, so it can blow up under the leadership of the goyim. Before Powell, every Fed Chairman has been a member of the tribe who don’t in any way have any say in the monetary system you antisemite.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

I meant to say every fed chairman in my lifetime.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Third choice
Start a war.,
God help us

Felix Krull
Member
2 years ago

But it seems the first 200 or so pages are about HIV and the conjecture that there is no causal link between HIV and AIDS. No, the bit about AIDS is later in the book, and I don’t think Kennedy says as much. He describes how Peter Duesberg – one of the premier cancer researchers in the world and who proposed the missing link – had his career destroyed by Fauci. Kennedy seems agnostic on the matter but is scathing about Fauci’s penchant for solving scientific disputes with personal ruination of dissenters. However, the handling of AIDS is not the… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

That was a reply to Moran.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

RFK Jr. has given some good interviews where he points out that the controllers have been wargaming pandemic responses for over 20 years.

He says there are two constants at these exercises:

1) CIA involvement

2) A monomaniacal focus on how the pandemic response can be used to roll out totalitarianism

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

“No, the bit about AIDS is later in the book, and I don’t think Kennedy says as much. He describes how Peter Duesberg – one of the premier cancer researchers in the world and who proposed the missing link – had his career destroyed by Fauci.” Okay, thanks for the clarification. As I said, I’ve not read it yet. I am actually relieved that RFK jr is agnostic about the link between HIV and AIDS because I honestly believe that link will remain standing after the dust settles. As I recall, AIDS came to the attention of medical science in… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

So RFK jr. not nailing his colors to the ‘it’s not HIV’ camp, will probably be beneficial to the credibility of his book.

He doesn’t really nail his colors anywhere, he gives you the quotes, the statistics and the sources without committing to one or the other, although a lot of shenanigans can be perpetrated by selecting those statistics carefully, of course.

I’m only about halfway through – most of it is a critique of institutional incest, insider trading and naked corruption more than of faulty medical research, although he gives egregious examples of that as well.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

As an aside, I remember the AIDS-scare which crescendoed when I was in senior high. I can’t say it scared me away from sex, but it certainly made an impression on me, since the campaign was specifically targeted at heterosexual teenagers – the demographic least likely to catch HIV.

Twenty years later, I heard a rare interview with one of the involved politicians doing a mea culpa. She revealed that out of five generations of targeted Danish high school students, only two (2) non-junkie, non-homosexual kids had actually been infected and none had died.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

I think the incidence (new cases) of HIV among straight, non-addict ethnic Danes is almost zero now. It fell from quite low to virtually nil when combined retro-viral therapy, where Denmark was fairly strong early on, began. The HIV public information campaign was not well handled, on either side of the Atlantic.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

There was a guy back about 1990, Michael Fumento, and I think he was one of those willing to entertain questions about the link between HIV and AIDS. I don’t know if this book addresses it but in 1990 he wrote “The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS”

https://www.amazon.com/myth-heterosexual-AIDS-Michael-Fumento/dp/0465098037

ETA: Ah, it’s interesting digging around in 30-year-old controversies. According to this article, Fumento supports the HIV-AIDs link (of which the author is suspicious)

https://www.commentary.org/articles/reader-letters/hiv-and-aids/

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

The author of that first Commentary letter was Peter Deusberg and he was the big anti-HIV/AIDs iconoclastic dissenter of the late 80s and early 90s.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

“Fauci’s penchant for solving scientific disputes with personal ruination of dissenters.”

Typical senior consultant mentality. Doctors have reputations for egos the size of Texas for a reason.

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

Who are we? As a result of prolonged affluence, we are now a majority of parasitic fat-asses driven by the Comfort First Imperative and solely reliant upon the “magic pill” solution for all problems, large and small. That is why we routinely elect the worst of us to high office and then naively expect them to lead us out of the morass we’re in. And that is a foundational dysfunction that can only be cured by a major change in our environment, i.e. collapse and the return of real hardship, existential threat, and the rebirth of natural fitness selection. The… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

Agreed. I have a formula for it: “Americans are too rich, too secure, too sell-fed, and they have way too much time on their hands.”

Our problems are those of rich people who have no *real* worries or problems. I’m sure that “Gender fluidity” is not no the radar screens of the parents of hungry children in Syria or Iraq.

So our “problems” are manufactured; not real.

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

And of course, the idle hands of our leaders help cause those hunger problems (among other things) you cite in Syria and/or Iraq

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

Nope. No way.
I am NOT gonna put a bone thru my nose. Umgowa!

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

You won’t know your true nature until you’re tested in an actual existential threat environment. Half of us will shit their pants and the other half will pull the trigger. Choose wisely.

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

“It is no longer easy to say what it means to be an American.”

When you give the vote to anyone, there becomes no such thing as an American. There are only Hyphenated-Americans.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

The only thing that unites Americans is the glorious “economy”. You’re not an “American”, you’re an “economic unit”.

So when things continue to go sideways, all the economic units start looking at each other and wondering, “What is the point of all this?”.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

Yes, when we no longer were denominated S “citizens”, but rather as “consumers”, our genuine status was revealed. That designation as “consumers” moved from econospeak, to what “Our Elites” felt free to openly state. It is but a short step from “consumers” to “useless eaters”. They haven’t quite gotten there yet, but They are peeing themselves to just come out and say it.

Yak-15
Yak-15
2 years ago

The part that Z-Man left out is that they don’t care because they will suffer zero consequences. In fact, the incentive structure exists for them to further insulate themselves so they can pretend to be experts and continuing make bad choices.

Most of these “experts” are political appointees – whether in business or in corporations. They are wedged into their positions in ways that makes extraction expensive.

Eventually, this will collapse. But that could be hundreds of years.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Yak-15
2 years ago

“Eventually, this will collapse. But that could be hundreds of years.”

The collapse is well underway. It’s not going to happen overnight. It never was. The dominoes have begun falling, and there is no stopping it.

Events have now gained their own momentum and are beyond the control of any power in this world. Events must now go to their logical conclusion, whatever that is. The notion that anybody can now control anything is an illusion.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Yak-15
2 years ago

I think- *think*, mind you- that I saw Dinesh D’Souza on the roster of famous WEF Global Young Leader Forum alumni.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 years ago

It’s over-education. The new god of Science! replaced the old God by promising to eliminate uncertainty and provide and endless progress. In the process, ideas like genius, inspiration, and especially faith were jettisoned in favor of trusting the process. The gray men and bean counters have hit the wall and unsurprisingly can’t claim to work in mysterious ways. Nature found the weak spot and is pounding it bloody, thank God.

My Comment
Member
2 years ago

There seems to only be a crisis of doubt of who we are among White people. Chinese Americans know that they are Chinese. Indians are Indians. Mexicans are Mexicans or Mexican Americans. Whites have been told that they are plain Americans but see Whites demonized and their country changing in ways they don’t like. Experts, most institutions and the press especially have lost a lot of credibility with our side of the divide. But they are more revered than ever by the other side of the divide. 10 years ago I knew no lefty who held the NYT as a… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  My Comment
2 years ago

That is because most of them have a sense of where they come from in that their homogeneous country still exists, so it is concrete as a reference.

Whites in the Us and lots of European countries have had theirs destroyed so have nothing to point to that is a unity and say that is mine.

Pointing at such is just pointing at lots of aliens who should not be there, but its difficult to see what should be there instead as those memories are mostly dead.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
2 years ago

Once upon a time we could “replace” the experts by replacing the politicians. Think swapping Arthur Burns for Paul Volcker. And that there was a difference in these “experts”. Now, as you have pointed out, the “experts” have merged into a singular parasitic class whose interests (and rice bowl) are very different from the rest of us. Success or failure is immaterial to them, failure only hits the “little people” outside the beltway. So we’ll get a war in Ukraine since it’s made many fortunes (or good livings) for the technocrats and the politicians they are fastened to as an… Read more »

EEngineer
EEngineer
2 years ago

HUNDREDS of billion boondoggle!

Vizzini
Member
2 years ago

I’ve been in agreement with Ron Paul about the Federal Reserve for a long time, so glowing paeans to the competence of the Fed really don’t do it for me.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Something seemingly minor happened yesterday that is quite foreboding for the Fed. Larry Fink, the notorious and vile BlackRock CEO, indirectly criticized the Fed for planned and long-overdue rate hikes, saying this will flatten the yield curve. In and of itself, this would be mere corporate self-interest rearing its ugly head. Here’s the rub, and it is a big one: Fink is a de facto part of the Fed, maybe its most important member albeit a purportedly unofficial one. He has been appointed by the Fed chairman to buy assets left and right, mainly bonds, and many of the purchases… Read more »

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

I saw someone refer to what’s happening as the great liquidation. The US is going out of business and everything must go! Low, low prices

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

That’s possible. Either Fink and Co. will ditch their assets in the near future or lay back and buy up even more once the economy craters and people with million dollar shacks get thrown out of work.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Remember, there is Larry’s money and the money other people entrust to Larry. The latter will be toast, but Larry’s will be fine.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

If there’s really a liquidation sale, let me know when you can find bargains on an m249 and a m252

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Agreed.

Definitely a “grab everything you can while running for the life raft” kind of vibe from our pols and the monied class.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Blackrock is the main agent for the money printer the financial class is using to bust out the US in one final looting operation before the US collapses and opens the door for them to attempt to remove all freedom on Earth.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Larry Fink (Blackrock) is also the #1 vector for corporate Wokeness. Vanguard/Blackrock won’t purchase or underwrite commercial paper- that is, corporate bonds- unless they submit to ESG (“equity, sustainability, governance”). Since Blackrock owns not only company shares , but also the shares of the investment companies that invest in those shares, he’s got both the top and the bottom (Joe Public’s 401k) locked in his pincers. Fink was granted this power when he bailed out the Treasury with a $7T loan in 2008; in return he has the Federal Reserve banks as his direct backstop now to buy up all… Read more »

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

This is why you need a business that is either family run not publicly traded or still run by the founder (i.e. the Ford motor corporation when Henry and his son ran things). That way the esg parasites can’t go after you as easily.

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

It is a good thing though that there is some recognition that black rock is up to no good. Like the west Virginia state treasurer just announced he won’t be doing business with them (because of the ccp or whatever) and Texas has said the same bc of (((Larry’s))) well known views on fossil fuels

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

Yes! 16 states- energy producing states- in a compact. If Larry and the like won’t invest in them, then they won’t invest in Larry.

That means their pension systems are protected from the Blob.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

And that really worked for Germany pre war?

Or Ghadafi or Assad?

Severian
2 years ago

If nothing else, this Covid nonsense has destroyed the medical profession forever. Now admittedly I have always been one of those people who just won’t go to the doctor unless I just can’t stop the bleeding (or equivalent), but I did go, on the assumption that the doc will know what this cold is that I just can’t shake, and will give me the appropriate meds. The meds were always the primary thing, but I assumed there was underlying competence, too. Post Fauci, I’d take my aches and pains to a goddamn Santeria shaman before I let an MD anywhere… Read more »

Severian
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

This was supposed to be a reply to Moran y Simba, below. Sorry.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

Even if you find a doctor who, for example would actually write up a prescription for ivermectin to treat covid, there’s a slim chance the pharmacy, at least the big-name pharmacy, would fill it. That’s where we’re at now. They’re controlled by the regime.

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Bought a syringe of Bimectin off Amazon just in case.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

I stopped at a small feed store, asked for Ivermection, she immediately asked if I wanted paste or injectible- then handed me three different brands to compare.

I got 2 tubes of edible paste and 2 bottles of liquid, $119.

The big places, Tractor Supply, Fleet ‘N’ Farm, are often cleaned out- but you can order online at their sites and pickup at the store.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

https://www.reliablerxpharmacy.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Hydroxychloroquine+Sulfate

These guys are in India, I’ve been buying from them for 15 years when I saw the price of my doxycycline for rosacea go from $15 to %125. Never had any problem. Bit of a convoluted sales process and delivery takes a couple of weeks but it always came and was always right.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Bilejones
2 years ago

Very good, thank you I’ve stockpiled bullets, beans, blankets and bandages.
Working on various meds.
Always good to hear of more resources.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Once the Pfizermectin pill hits the market, they will fill that scrip.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

The larger system itself has been discredited at this point.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

Just Rode the Rona last week. Here’s what my doctor told me:

“Can’t see you because you tested positive. There is no proscribed treatment for Covid 19. Go home and isolate until you don’t have any more symptoms. Oh, you’re vaccinated, right?”

This, after 2 years. Unbelievable. Good reminder that doctors are highly trained technicians who follow a cookbook, not scientists.

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

They follow the script the Pharma reps spiel to them. Equating most pill pushers to cooks does a great disservice to cooks.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

During the deadly Delta and ominous Omicron, the health office in our plant of 500+ people has been closed for renovation.

*honk honk*

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

I once dated a woman who was a pharma rep. The things she talked about were mind-blowing to me at the time. Doctors, ultimately, follow a flowchart for diagnosis and treatment. That flowchart is for the most part the same sort of treatments that would have been prescribed 30 years ago (we figured out a lot of this stuff long ago). However, past that, it is heavily influenced by what reps are going through the door, how short their skirts are, and what “speaking gigs” they can give them. Doctors are not going home at night and reading scientific journals.… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Mycale
2 years ago

Had a doctor buddy who made a point to read journals to keep abreast of changes in the field, but of course part of the unmasking of medical incompetence in Clown World is that these journals are only ever put together by “interested parties”. It’d be like some GOP pol sitting down to read National Review for an “alternate viewpoint”.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mycale
2 years ago

All of what you say is true. I’ve a spouse who was a pharma rep. And yes, when age creeped up on her, she was “retired”. Short skirts and tight asses rule. But big pharma is not sexist, there were no shortage of “pretty boy” males in the ranks as well. Everyone “selected” for this gig was an 8-10 on the hottie scale. And yes, my wife married down. I ain’t no 8-10, perhaps a 5. Coming from an academic background I could not understand how a medical professional with even more time in school than I could be lectured… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

ProZNoV: “There is no prescribed treatment for Covid 19” because the government, big pharma, and Gates and Fauci have dictated that there be no treatment until you either get better, or you get so bad you can’t breathe. At that point you go to the hospital, surrender your liberty to the ‘experts’ who ventilate you until you die.

And the handful of doctors who’ve shown some spine and genuine concern for the health of their patients are undergoing forced psych evaluations and/or losing their licenses. When it’s a question of you versus their family’s financial security, the answer is foregone.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

Yup. Their practicing privileges are immediately suspended as “under review”.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Yep, so scared by the Fed’s that my physician will *not* prescribe any pain medication! It’s in his contract! When at the hospital some time back for potential surgery, I had to sign a document acknowledging no pain medication will be prescribed for longer than 2 weeks (or 10 days, I forget) and if not in hospital, I would need to visit “their” hospital pharmacy to receive daily dosage of pain medication—but not to exceed the stated time limit!

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

Well I am an MD and it brings me enormous heartache that this crisis will hurt the progress of medicine very substantially. The foundational basis of the Western medical tradition is what we call ‘evidence based medicine.’ The idea is sound, it is that there must be evidence that a treatment is effective. This is one of two reasons why there are clinical trials. The other important reason is to establish that a treatment is safe. In what may seem a morbid sense of humor, to explain why this is important I sometimes tell people that killing cancer cells is… Read more »

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

What’s your take on ivermectin?

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Maniac
2 years ago

I do not know if it has any effect here. Ivermectin blocks a molecular pathway that some viruses use to replicate and if SARS-CoV-2 uses this pathway, maybe it has effect. I don’t know if it does.

It is a valid subject for a clinical trial I think. There have been some small studies and they are being disputed and discussed left and right. If it has effect it should NOT be used prophylactically (preventatively) because we would have resistance in no time flat. It should instead be used for the critically ill.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Maniac
2 years ago

I wrote a reply a little while back, may be stuck in the spam filter?? Basically I don’t know that ivermectin has effect on SARS-CoV-2. It targets a molecular pathway that some viruses use to replicate and if the Covid virus is one of them it could have effect. It seems a valid subject for clinical trials. There have been some and there are many and long papers arguing for or against the results and conclusions. Currently there appear to be disinformation campaigns from both sides regarding ivermectin. If it does work I think it should not be used prophylactically… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Maniac
2 years ago

I have now twice tried to reply to you and both are stuck in the spam filter. Only two comments of mine to go there today, so far. Apologies.

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Anyone capable of rational thought can now clearly see your profession is filled with little besides outright quacks and devoted shills to the satanists running Big Pharma. I’d trust a random internet search over the prescriptions of a psychopath in a lab coat at this point. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Mr. Generic
2 years ago

That’s quite alright, I’m rather angry at some doctors’ behavior over the last 24 months myself. But it is not entirely true what you are saying, medicine has seen significant improvement over the last 100 or so years. Ironically infectious medicine is probably the single greatest success story. Bacterial infections such as TB, sepsis (‘blood poisoning’) from innocuous scratches, stuff that many used to die from prematurely, were almost beaten down towards the end of the 20th century. This is no small thing. Sadly, we are now seeing a partial comeback of ‘consumption’ as TB was once called and other… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

I’ll trust Moran long before I’ll trust that sadist Fauci, because Moran has done something Fauchi has not- treat patients.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Thanks 🙂 Has he never been clinically active? I didn’t even know that.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Thank you, Moran, no clinical experience of any kind.

Below I asked, asking again –

If anthrax is bacteriological, why did our soldiers receive…a vaccine?

Aren’t vaccines a prophylaxis for viral infection, while bacteria require post-infection treatment?

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

There are plenty of vaccines for bacterial diseases as well, e.g. pertusses (whooping cough), tetanus etc. They probably give the anthrax vaccine in the army b/c they are afraid of potential bioweapons. It’s not usually given to the civilian population so that may be why(??)

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Getting shanked in the driveway by angry relatives of the crippled and the dead….might be the price that’s paid. The medical board won’t seem too important, bleeding out by the Benz.

tashtego
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

I have been amazed at how easy it was for the medical establishment to be steered into debasement. There are many concrete assertions made around the covid panic by the establishment that are easily falsifiable by layman able to review scientific papers, never mind a doctor of medicine. Doctors know these official assertions are false, they know the measures being prescribed are ineffectual at best. It’s as if some NASA political appointee decreed that if everyone puts their pants on backwards the orbits of the planets will reverse direction and all the worlds astronomers and astrophysicists went along with it… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  tashtego
2 years ago

“scapegoating of unbelievers for the failures of the prophets”

That is a perfect and exact description of how demagoguery works.

Another: “The Republicans won’t let Obama/Biden do what he needs to!”

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Let’s not forget, not long ago doctors performed lobotomies, insulin shock therapy, and electroshock therapy. Doctors hack 1 million live babies a year into hash because this is supposedly a “constitutional right.” Doctors cut men’s penises off and administer hormones for the men to grow breast tissue. Doctors approved and prescribed Thalidomide, Vioxx and Oxycontin.

The corruption of medicine is not a recent phenomenon…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Moran, as I posted awhile ago. Doctors are *not* scientists, they are (in the main) “technicians”. Wife told me that, and then told me to shut up about it. As I think upon it, she’s spot on, and we should not expect much more from the medical rank and file.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Hehe, for most clinically active doctors I would agree. Now there is no faster way to flatter a clinician than to call him a ‘scientist.’ But most of them, just like most engineers or state park biologists etc. don’t do science as in serious research. You also see this in the medical school curriculum. They gradually transitioned to ‘problem based’, later ‘integrated’, learning, away from the more traditional approach of pathology, pharmacology, microbiology etc. and then used recidencies to learn to put that together, under the supervision of attendings. This has gone hand in hand with more and more medical… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Well, given that most everything heals itself a high percentage of the time (oldsters excluded), I can see where the feminine hysteric desires a good cry and a hug, rather than physical treatment or simply being told “You’re fine!” Guys are probably getting that way as you’ve noted as well. However, since I don’t give a crap about bedside manner, it’s a real pain in the ass to have to research every damn thing before I get to the doctors office for a consult and perhaps a prescription. Have not yet requested an Ivermectin prescription. As pointed out here, it… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

Severian: I’ve operated on the basis of “highly skeptical of doctors” for years – primarily due to being a parent. Growing up I had the usual (colds, flu, chickenpox, broken bone or two) but no chronic illness or long-standing disability. My kids were both pretty healthy as well – but I learned that each had his own illness tendencies and reactions, whereas doctors always wanted to go by the book. After the first few times, I knew when someone had an ear infection and spent money proving the doctor wrong. I learned a fever always caused massive digestive disruptions for… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
2 years ago

We have a problem where idiots are deciding who the experts are and which experts should be demonized, censored and banned. Dr. Fauci is seen as an expert and giants in their field, like Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Michael Yeadon and many more are cancelled by the “Fact-Checkers” on mainstream media sites. There are plenty of experts out there, it’s just that they may not fall in line with what the regime is imposing on us.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

It would be interesting to give the “fact-checkers” multiple choice tests on basic science.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

I think the checker that canceled Dr. Malone lived in his mom’s basement and was part of a garage band.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

That’s sort of perfect.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

While he is certainly a brave guy, there are also problems with Dr. Malone. For starters, while he probably is a first rate molecular biology scientist, he (or others) is somewhat inflating his credentials when it is claimed that ‘he invented mRNA therapy’. He didn’t single handedly. There were hundreds involved.

He is also now waltzing into other fields, such as mass psychology, where he has no particular expertise. Here he is just an intelligent person offering opinions. It’s going to take a while before we really find out what’s up and down in this whole mess.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

“mass psychology” is not really an “expert” field. It is simply advertising/propaganda given a faux-scientific aura.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Interesting point. I’m not so sure the CIA, Goebbels or the Cultural Marxists would agree though. But that’s a bit of a different angle on it, of course.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Yeah, I agree Malone made some misteps in his Rogan interview.

He should have more clearly pointed people to Prof. Desmet’s work and made it clear that Desmet is standing on the shoulders of giants who came before him.

Joe
Joe
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

I wondered about his phrase “mass formation psychosis.” If anything shouldn’t it be mass psychosis formation? Also, I’m not sure that believing the vax helps qualifies as “psychosis.”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

When delving into human behavior explanations, we quickly leave “science” and enter the realm of opinion. People are a tough nut to explain. However, I give the concept and folks espousing such a bit of leeway. Mass Formation Psychosis is as good an organizing explanation to begin to understand and discuss the phenomenon as any to date.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

They would block the results so why bother 🙂

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Fauci and his ilk are nothing more than suits. Period

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

It seems medical profiles are now resorting to political and judicial means to block the voice of colleagues disagreeing with them. That is just about as unscientific an approach as you can imagine. Many of the dissenters are probably wrong but let science, not legal means or big tech algorithms, sort that.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
2 years ago

“The core of the current crisis is that no one can honestly answer the question that is the basis of all human organization, who are we?” It’s a good question, and one that I started thinking about many years ago when it was already becoming apparent that my thoughts were massively deviating from the accepted norm. How can such a diverse (and not just racial diversity) society agree on anything? Much less thrive? It always seemed that the main things that would tear us apart were the standard two: race and religion. But it seems now that ruptures can develop… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

Orange Frog: Traditionally your excellent list of questions and concerns used to be eased by shared social customs and habits. Even among kindred people various conflicts, both large and small, would always arise. Local traditions and manners served to mitigate unnecessary conflict and smooth daily interactions. That sense of public manners and courtesy was the first thing discarded by the left in the ’60s as “fake.” Letting it all hang out, instead, was “keeping it real.” So we lack even a local consensus on how to behave and what’s appropriate. Add in the divisions of utterly alien religions and races,… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

who are we?

What do you mean “we”, kimosabe?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

Question #1, now:
“Would they turn me in?”

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

“The last two years have been a massive blow to the credibility of science in modern America.” What the whole idiotic farce has shown us–beyond any shadow of a doubt–is how staggeringly deep and broad *superstition* is in modern America and, indeed, in the whole world. Masks = Magical amulets Science = the word of power (like “abracadabra”) social distancing = avoiding evil spirits Joe & Karamela even had magical circles on the ground at an outdoor pep rally in 2020: https://www.alamy.com/democratic-us-presidential-nominee-and-former-vice-president-joe-biden-salutes-during-a-campaign-stop-in-warm-springs-georgia-us-october-27-2020-reutersbrian-snyder-image383697112.html Like drawing a pentagram and circle on the floor for safety when conjuring spirits they had their circles:… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Heh. Just the title in the final URL posted is crazy. An army may come together to fight another army; i.e. a tangible enemy. But how exactly can ‘The Country’ do this against a virus.

It’s the meaningless rhetoric that is two-a-penny now, that is mimicked throughout other wings of government and business. With zero information content, window dressing for the plebs.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

“But how exactly can ‘The Country’ do this against a virus.”

The correct answer is … MAGIC!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

I see lots of pentagrams in our future, for sure…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

There’s strong correlation between belief in magic and primitive (read: low IQ) societies. We have imported many of these societies and lost a bit of our nation’s founding race’s IQ as well in the last hundred years. Coincidence?

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Oh, yeah, and the Minimum Wage Priestesses in grocery stores performing the ceremonial purification of shopping cart *handles.* Never any other part of the cart; just the handles. I remain convinced that the evil spirits inhere only in the handle of shopping carts, and I know that because none of the Minimum Wage Priestesses ever performed the magical ablutions on cans of soup in the soup aisle, or packages of ground round in the meat market, and I finally realized that the particular evil spirit that causes the dreaded Covid-19 (“the invisible enemy”) cannot inhabit canned or shrink-wrapped goods. Which… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Speaking of the grocery store, I took great comfort knowing I was safe seeing the masking tape on the floor in the aisles in the shape of an arrow!

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Yes, but at least they were GREEN arrows! (At least they were where I shop).

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Meanwhile, the girl at the checkout touches each and every item, collects the bugs from each customer and deposits a sample onto your purchases. Strange that we’re still alive.

Here’s Doctor Krull’s recipe for a healthy immune system

1) Never wash your hands
2) Scratch your balls a lot
3) Eat your own boogers

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

We’ll call ’em “Krull’s Postulates.”

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

And they later become Krull’s Postules.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

Right?

Why aren’t the bodies of young cashiers stacked like cordwood in the big box parking lots?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Homeless people! Don’t go near the dumpsters!!

Herzog
Herzog
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

Boogers — had to look it up, and now would like to say thanks for helping this German add a particularly valuable item to his English vocabulary.

Haven’t some French haute cuisine restaurants been serving them for decades though, I wonder?

Texas Chainsaw Makeover
Texas Chainsaw Makeover
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

Check, check, and (gulp) check!

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Superstitious behavior. Here, they were sterilizing the shopping cart handles in the parking lot, in 110 degree sun! The shopping cart handles being even too hot to handle without gloved hands. Nothing, no virus known, could survive but for a few seconds.

At that point in 2020, I knew we were doomed. The people were just too stupid, too cowed to deserve better than the scorn and abuse of their “elected” officials.

As the bully despises the coward, so those in power despise/abuse the compliant.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

> What the whole idiotic farce has shown us–beyond any shadow of a doubt–is how staggeringly deep and broad *superstition* is in modern America and, indeed, in the whole world.

The swarmy “We Believe” lawn signs with the “Science is Real” and “All genders are real” slogans are baffling to your average person unless they realize they are not statements of reality, but magical incantations. It’s so vapid it doesn’t even rise up to the level of articles of faith. It’s primitive animism that is no different than the dance of a tribal witch doctor.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

“The smarmy “We Believe” lawn signs […] are […] magical incantations.”

What a great insight! I should have thought of it but never had. Thanks!

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

I thought they were an invitation for home invasion robbery.

Severian
2 years ago

Frankly I’m amazed it took this long — it’s a real testament to the power of bread and circumstances. For at least 40 years now, it has been a mantra that one must go to college to become an Expert Without Portfolio. Then one goes to college, and spends four, five, six plus years being told for a fact that there’s no such thing as a fact, that all “truth” is relative, and that everybody is where they are solely because of systemic this-and-that. Even though everything’s a social construction and nothing’s truly true, no one can ever be other… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

I gave you an upvote for the last sentence.

However, Brandon may still accidentally squat on it. Give him time.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

No! I will NOT mention AOC’s increasingly generous posterior! Not until she goes full Kardashian, that is.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

To your last sentence, Phil Collins imagined Reagan doing that in his video for, “Land of Confusion”:

https://youtu.be/Yq7FKO5DlV0

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

Severian, did they play Pomp and Circuses at your grad? (Friendly jab at your bread and circumstance autocomplete error).

I believe somebody has already sat on the button by mistake. However, the igniters have long ago rusted out.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Robert Kennedy jr. wrote a book, The real Anthony Fauci. I need to read that. I assumed it was about Covid, gain of function research (deliberately making vira more morbid (dangerous), infectious or adopting them to a new host, in short the first genuine equivalent to nuclear weapons from the science of biology as opposed to physics). But it seems the first 200 or so pages are about HIV and the conjecture that there is no causal link between HIV and AIDS. I had NEVER heard of this conjecture in med school or later in hospitals or in research. Now,… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

I look forward to your review of the book.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

All you need to know is Fauci has been in charge of the HIV/AIDS racket.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Please, don’t fret. You need not reinvent the wheel.

Just do with HIV what has not yet been done with covid: isolate the virus and make samples available.

I don’t think either is a complete fiction; I say they don’t want anyone to see what the bioweapons boyz been up to.

Remember the 28 suddenly dead top microbiologists when “anthrax vaccines” were rolled out? (Hint: there are approx. 10,000 strains of anthrax, a common sheep virus.)

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

(Hint hint: there are no samples of the vaguely named Human Infectious Virus, or of the ‘weaponized anthrax strain’, are there?

So what is the root structure or signature of the H.I.V., then, eh?)

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Forgive my abuse of comment space, but, in line with today’s, there were 5 research directions, 4 seemed to strengthen HIV lethality, one weakened it, so that was the one defunded and shut down. I’m surprised you’ve never heard of the original controversy, the ‘connection’ controversy. By root etc. I meant “descriptor”. (A D- minus grade just to allow me to graduate high school is the extent of my schooling, as everybody here can tell. But then the bar patrons had put up $500 so the janitor kid could could go further! I bowed with delight as the small town… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

I honestly do not recall anyone questioning the link between HIV and AIDS. That was taken as a given, as firmly established knowledge. It is the equivalent of questioning the link between hypertension and cardiovascular disease or stroke. If such a link is severed we are sent spiralling back to square one in the relevant field. And must be suspicious of similar ‘foundational rocks’ crumbling beneath our feet. That is why I profoundly hope the HIV-AIDS link remains. I have of course heard of various ‘wild’ theories about HIV being introduced deliberately etc. But the technology was just there to… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

hehe anthrax is a bacterial, not viral, infection. The reason it is so ‘popular’ as a bioweapon is that the anthrax bacterium produces particularly robust spores. Spores are a metabolically inactive form of a bacterium, sort of similar to seed corns. I believe they’ve found infectious anthrax spores among Ancient Egyptian mummies. Something so robust, just waiting for you to add a little saline for it to ‘wake up’, is clearly a potential bioweapon. Except for that anthrax is a very different problem compared to Covid.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Ah, bacterial. No wonder it’s so common. Basque ranchers usually have numerous small scars on their arms from it.

Wait a minute.
No wonder those ranchers don’t get vaccinated for anthrax, who ever heard of that?

Yet…our soldiers received a ‘vaccine’.
A brand-new diagnosis, PTSD, was invented just in time for the FDA to approve Zoloft for its treatment.

Help me here, Doc Simba.
If anthrax is bacteriological, why did the soldiers receive a ‘vaccine’?
Doesn’t bacteria require treatment, not prophylaxis?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Edit: should read, “The vaccine injured soldiers aquired a brand-new diagnosis, PTSD,…”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Vaccines are not just for viruses. You can produce antibodies for any number of diseases. However, we have (had) antibiotics for many bacteria infections in the past. But I am no expert in this matter to be sure.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Kary Mullis, who received a Nobel for inventing the PCR process and who hated Fauci, dropping dead in August 2019 from pneumonia has to be the most perfect timing ever.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

> IF, should it be, true – which I still do not believe – then everything you learn studying biological sciences, is now cast into doubt. The insane lies of the mental health profession brought the entire medical field in doubt for me. I had a new doctor tell me, with no self-awareness to how insane he sounded, that if you’re not pretty much over a parent dying in 6-8 weeks, you probably have a chemical imbalance and should consider anti-depressants. While there is a small percentage of people who react positively to medical treatment, anyone that separated from the… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

The mental health fields have been in deep trouble for decades. Psychiatry became too obsessed with neurochemistry and clinical psychology took the Kool Aid on Freud and all that nonsense. Some fields of medicine have seen real and incredible progress over the 20th century. Infectious medicine and cardiology/heart surgery are two important examples. Other fields such as oncology have had real but far lesser successes and less impressive overall gains and some, such as neurology, are still largely confined to diagnostics and supportive care for too many of their ailments. Progess has been real but very unevenly distributed across the… Read more »

Buddy Ahearn
Buddy Ahearn
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

You are brave to flip the switch which possibly removes the floor of assumptions beneath your feet. My salute to you, sir. The most painful experiences, besides the obvious big ones (death of a loved one, natural disasters, etc) are the deaths of beliefs, hopes, wishes. In addition to the RFK book, a few people are beginning to find “Inventing The AIDS Virus” by Peter Duesberg. And a few of those are beginning to uncover names like Antoine Bechamp and Gaston Naessens, to name only two. The rabbit hole goes very deep indeed.

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Like others, I’m about 30% through. My takeaway so far. If even only 25% of the evidence Kennedy presents contra Fauci is true, that man deserves to be strung up from the nearest lamppost.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

The Fed was always little more than the sanitation worker following behind the Congressional parade of pooping animals, and this has led to Congress defecating on the streets more and more and it is finally overwhelming the ability of the Fed and their pool of reserve currency to mop up the mess.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
2 years ago

“Now we are a people wondering if there is such a thing as experts at all”.
I am one of the people no longer wondering. I am sure experts do in fact exist, but said expertise will be disregarded, discounted, disparaged, denigrated, defamed, or otherwise denied in the great cause of Equity – and ironically under the banner of Science. At least this is so in the realm of politics. Whether actual expertise continues to be permitted in other realms of endeavor and for how long remains to be seen.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Stranger in a Strange Land
2 years ago

“I am one of the people no longer wondering.”

Yep. We live in a time when “scientists” can speak with a straight face about something called “settled science.”

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

“We used to be a people who assumed the experts would eventually get it right.” Here’s something that addresses this in depth…

https://palladiummag.com/2021/12/29/americas-late-ruling-class/

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

That was first-rate, top notch stuff, Gotterdamn. Recommended, right in the Z-ball park.

Plus, it was rather a blast to read of high society. What have we missed!

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
2 years ago

One other, very visible failure of the managerial experts you didn’t mention is our southern border.

The fact that the rulers are unable and/or unwilling to solve that issue severely challenges their legitimacy to at least a significant portion of the population.

Of course, the results are quite possibly, maybe even likely, the exact desire of the so-called experts.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
2 years ago

The southern border could be closed in a few days, IF the G decided to do something about it,OR got out of the way. One would be take the troops stationed in Europe and lace them shoulder to shoulder on the border. Shoot to kill anyone trying to cross. Problem solved after the first few kills. Two, would be to let the landowners take care of business and not interfere with the owners protecting their property. If a burglar was coming in your window, would you just let him in? I think not. Yet that’s exactly what is happening on… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
2 years ago

The wreckers won’t do anything about the southern border because it serves their entire laundry list of goals.

usNthem
usNthem
2 years ago

Our society has become too degraded in the past few decades for there to be any real semblance of cohesiveness anymore. We’re now just a jumble of competing groups who all want their say in how things get done. When some pajeet, jogger, muzzie, jew or beaner is opining on this policy, or that policy, it’s obvious we’re done. How people like those came to be in a position of influence or power in the American public sphere is pretty much all we need to know about where things now stand. The sad thing is former vast majority Whites were… Read more »

Whitney
Member
Reply to  usNthem
2 years ago

Industry capture seems to have affected all institutions in the West where the regulatory agencies are now owned by who they’re supposed to regulate. It’s very visible in the pharmaceutical industries and the CDC and FDA. They just trade all their executives back and forth. All our politicians have gotten rich in office. The media tells the people what to do at the behest of their masters. The Vatican which can be thought of the regulatory agency for Satan is now almost entirely in his power. What a time to be alive!

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  usNthem
2 years ago

“How people like those came to be in a position of influence or power in the American public sphere is pretty much all we need to know about where things now stand.”

1865 & 1965.

Boarwild
Boarwild
2 years ago

For the thousandth time, the U.S. was formed as a representational Constitutional republic, not “a democracy”.

That is a complete & total lie repeated ad nauseum by the Left/Dems/media.

Mountain Rat
Mountain Rat
Reply to  Boarwild
2 years ago

The republic was murdered quite some time ago.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Mountain Rat
2 years ago

“The republic was murdered quite some time ago.”

By Miss Scarlett in the library with the rope?

Or by Abe Lincoln at Appamattox with the gun?

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Boarwild
2 years ago

While your point may be accurate, it is also a bit spergy. It ultimately matters not whether one classifies the U.S. as a “representative Constitutional republic” or a “democracy” or whatever else; like all governments before and after it, the U.S. is an OLIGARCHY. Any state of even moderate size will be run by elites. The notion that “the people” call the shots is just part of the civic mythology, i.e. the propaganda, designed to help the civilization plug along. The real question is this: Will the elites who control a given state practice some form of noblesse oblige? It… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

“The real question is this: Will the elites who control a given state practice some form of noblesse oblige? It certainly doesn’t appear so in the case of today’s United States.” Because our elite is an artificial elite; a contrived elite; and ersatz elite; a make-believe elite. My grandmother would have called them “jumped up.” They are not an organic elite. They didn’t grow or arise out of a given culture and set of historical circs. They were “decided upon” by this childish faith in “experts.” It’s a real problem. Zman’s article today is one of the most insightful of… Read more »

David Wright
Member
2 years ago

Ford idles a major plant in Michigan for a week due to chip shortage, others may follow.

The current administration hasn’t the will or a clue to do what is necessary to get back on track. The gods will reward them and us if more diversity and anti-racism is implemented. Even that smarmy fudge packer in charge of transportation is all in on racist overpasses blocking teams of black bus riders.

Nothing good will ever come from these retarded incompetents. Look at LA and the looted trains.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

The chip shortage that has been going on for over a year. Wouldn’t a competent industry at least have developed a work around by now?

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

That’s like saying”Since the Coof overwhelmed the ICUs across the country, wouldn’t Hospital’s have created more ICU capacity over the last two years?”

Jogger please…..

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

Not really. The silicone shortage really is screwing with everything we take for granted.. I’ve even seen considerable delays with crap like cycling computers and fitness watches; two big sellers but things nobody thinks about.

nunnya bidnez, jr
nunnya bidnez, jr
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

” Wouldn’t a competent industry at least have developed a work around by now?”
“wouldn’t Hospital’s have created more ICU capacity over the last two years?”…

We did that in NYC nearly two years ago, at the beginning of the craziness. There was a field hospital of tents put up in Central Park; there was a repurposed hospital ship in the harbor for a month or so. Tents are great! (sarc) .. what sick person wouldn’t want to live outdoors in the cold rainy springtime? And the hospital ship treated a grand total of ..TEN PATIENTS! before it became superfluos.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

Hell, MSI re-released the GT 730 because of the shortages. Entry-to-mid range GPUs gamers would scoff as they upgraded for a few more FPS are hugely inflated. I put myself on the list for a MSI’s RTX 3090 Ti Suprim X but I don’t think I’ll see it for months.

EEngineer
EEngineer
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

The lead time to design high volume products is many years. You don’t make changes to running designs until you can secure a delivery schedule for those alternate ICs. Even the low volume scientific instruments I design have become a nightmare to get built by the dozen. An of course you have to spin a new PCB too…

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  EEngineer
2 years ago

But, but, but! All of *the Great Reset, *Green Economy, *Pandemic Pass tracking,
*Autonomous vehicles,
*Internet of Things,
*Social credit bytecoin,

All of these are based on integration into a 5G cellular standard.

The retarded incompetents saw a shiny new toy, 5G, and began making big plans.

And here you’re saying that the wave of the future might remain just that- in the future- for a tad longer?

Dang. We are going to have to train those dusky scientists a bit faster. We need more money to educate disadvantaged youth!

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Don’t forget the integrated vehicle breathalyzers and kill switches they want by 2026!

Putiing a stake in the heart of those techno-utopian bullet points is why the chip shortage will prove to be a good thing long-term.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

In a competent country, something like a chip shortage would trigger a national security crisis and plans to fund multiple plants would be debated in Congress within a week.

But no, let’s depend on a defenseless island country adjacent to our main economic rival.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

I’m again reminded of all the discussions from 2 years ago, which posited that the Holocough would be the impetus for large-scale repatriation of manufacturing to our shores. That talk got squashed quicker than the notion of using HCQ or ivermectin to treat the coof. Who gave that order?

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
2 years ago

“Their solution to “save democracy” is to eliminate any trace of it from society.”
Brevity is indeed the soul of wit. Well crafted.

Long may you run Z-man.

Whitney
Member
2 years ago

I think they’re probably are people that know things and could probably solve some problems in the ruling class but the maliciousness of these people and how much they hate us cannot be underestimated so it doesn’t matter how much they know or what they can do or what they don’t know. That’s all that really matters. And this is amazing. The insurance companies are going to see all this first. Now the question is will the billionaire class throw money at them to get them to look the other way? I don’t know? do they have enough money to… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

I saw the article. Spoiler alert; the insurer refuses to pay because, what do ya know, the guy took an EXPERIMENTAL vaccine for a mild illness voluntarily. They ruled it a suicide.
That, my friends, is priceless.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

I don’t recall there being weird injections and Burnham’s Suicide of the West? Must have skipped that chapter

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

We may be referencing different cases. I assumed the article you linked was about the French billionaire who took out life insurance for his kids and grandkids.

He passed away, and the cause of death was listed as, wait for it, The Jab.

Insurer said, not so fast. He wasn’t forced to take an experimental drug. And doing so, amounted to suicide.

No payout for you!

The courts have so far agreed.

If I am referencing a different article, I apologize.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

I was making a joke. Same article 👍