The Three Questions

One of the segments of the show this week is a topic that seems to be difficult for smart people to grasp. This is something that comes up in the discussion of conservatism and where to go now that Buckley-style conservatism has failed. All of the debates just assume some starting point without thinking much about it. They talk about Burke and Locke as if they were gods, rather than men. We have to respect what they said because they are the authority of all political knowledge.

A political theory is a lot like a proof in mathematics. In math, a proof will rest on axioms of mathematics and certain constants like the speed of light. You start from these fixed things that are always true. From there you derive knew truths or new solutions to problems of the universe. Political theory works the same way. The Founders started with Locke because they started with Natural Law as their authority. This was the universal constant upon which they built their politics.

This sounds rather esoteric and pointless at first, but the biggest question in all politics is by whose authority? When put to left-wing politics, few people championing things like critical race theory or antiracism could provide an answer. They just assume they are our moral superior. They do not know that the stuff they absorbed in college or had fed to them by coreligionists in their political cult come from some rather bizarre theories of history and human relations.

Not that it matters, as a practical matter. These people are quite dumb, but simply asking the question puts them on their heels. From our perspective, the effort to build an alternative politics has to start from this question. It is why things like “common good conservatism” must be viewed as a distraction, possibly a deliberate one, aimed at preventing genuine analysis of the current condition. They want to avoid any discussion of the authority for their claims.

This is obviously a big-brained topic that gets boring for most people, but it has important practical implications. That is the point of the show today. The practical questions that naturally arise from these theoretical issues are useful in dealing with the political crazies, but also in dealing with allies and converts. Being able to talk sensibly about the practical application of politics, segment three of the show, is probably the best thing anyone can do to change minds.


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This Week’s Show

Contents

  • 00:00: Opening
  • 03:00: By Whose Authority?
  • 23:00: To What End?
  • 43:00: How Do We Do It?

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Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 years ago

I’m still chewing on this two days after the podcast, Z. For me it was a profound piece of work because it took something blatantly obvious to everyone yet nobody ever saw fit to to articulate it as you did – at least to my knowledge. It occurs to me that I started asking these three questions of Lefty on a regular basis almost a decade ago without realizing it. I come from The Hive, and I can tell you that if you ask these questions of Lefty – he is going to be offended and disgusted to his core… Read more »

NoOneImportant
NoOneImportant
2 years ago

“Keev” is the way all the “cool people” are pronouncing Kiev now. I’ve heard several State Department grandees and other regime mouthpieces say it that way. It’s based on the Ukrainian spelling: Kyiv, and supposedly the Ukrainian pronunciation.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  NoOneImportant
2 years ago

It’s their new “Cutter” (Qatar)

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  NoOneImportant
2 years ago

i am going to start using “koof” (instead of “coof”) then.

dougg
dougg
2 years ago

perhaps i’m missing something but doesn’t the gist of this week’s podcast seem to boil down to a sort of fatalism? you repeatedly ask “well, what is the point of doing X Y Z?” , “what does one hope to accomplish?” in turn you talk about this stuff for an hour a week, you devote time and energy towards writing articles. what exactly do you hope to achieve? to what do YOU devote such time? i’m honestly not trying to be cheeky here, but I’ve picked up on this thread in your output over the years and it seems as… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  dougg
2 years ago

What is the point of it? Why, It’s the quest for the Holy Grail. First, you attempt to cull wisdom from history, then analyze all in the context of current circumstances, and finally arrive at the magic words which, when invoked, persuade the masses to repent their sins and see the “Light.” Then it’s Kumbaya all the way down. Once upon a time, a people migrated into the northern latitudes where they settled in an environment of extreme seasonal variation (long cold winters). Every year, they had to run a gauntlet of deprivation in which the weak died off and… Read more »

BeAPrepper
BeAPrepper
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

It is as Sisyphus struggling to push that boulder up that mountain only so he can take a short breather when it tumbles back down again.

Hard men, easy times, soft men, hard times, hard men….

Whatever did we do to anger the Gods so?

Aristotle’s Golden Mean. No more hard times, no more easy times, learn to live within our natural boundaries.

cg2
cg2
Reply to  dougg
2 years ago

its kinda fun reading tho. doom n gloom porn

Memebro
Memebro
Reply to  dougg
2 years ago

I kinda heard the same tone in this. “All of this is pointless”. And it made me think about cynical neocons who never really do anything or act upon the will of their voters…because “resistance is futile”. I don’t think this is what was meant by this podcast. But it does come across that way. My opinion is simply this: the left never asks these questions and the left currently has the power to have someone fired from their job, their bank accounts frozen, their life wrecked, simply for exercising rights that up until recently we’ve taken for granted. They… Read more »

Anson Rhodes
Anson Rhodes
2 years ago

The left will escape the reality argument by bringing in the validity argument. They escape the facts by appealing to the causes of the facts. When they can’t deny something is real they can still deny its validity in terms of their deranged teleological scheme. In any case, the reality argument relates not so much to biological reality as to human nature which overlays it, and the latter is much more open to interpretation. The left’s aim is therefore to replace replace human nature with post-human nature and thereby create what is effectively a new reality. The usual argument against… Read more »

james wilson
james wilson
2 years ago

United we fall, divided we stand. There was recently a long thread around Lincoln’s birthday about the man himself, Our Greatest President (or not?) at American Digest. Gerard has been placing the question mark in recent times due to an informed argument against. Most commenters at that website remain Lincoln worshippers even as they are throughtful and often informed. But man is a religious animal and the Prophet of the Second Founding is not easily denied. To preach the Second Founding you must reject the First. To claim the Second is only an improved version of the First is to… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  james wilson
2 years ago

Our worst President.

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

Lincoln established the fact that once you’re in the Union, you can not leave the union. While the Federal government becomes more tyrannical, your state loses its autonomy. The Federal can do things you don’t like, but that’s just too bad. You can not leave. Thank you Mr. Lincoln.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  james wilson
2 years ago

You lost me at Lincoln was our greatest president.

But the “?” next to it gives me hope for you.

Stick around and you might learn to reject some of your federally supported public school propaganda .

Heresolong
2 years ago

You have said during multiple Podcast that the Miami coach who got fired was apparently a good coach and that he was fired because the owner didn’t like him. Actually my understanding is that he was 24 and 25, so did not have a winning record, and he was fired because the general manager, also a black man, didn’t get along with him and the owner decided to keep the GM and fire the coach.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
2 years ago

the police all over the world have chosen poorly. who cares if one gets shot in the face, or railroaded in court. who cares if their pensions go unfunded. pretty soon they will have to live in compounds as their houses are burned down. this madness will pass, is passing, and the cops who helped evil will be paying a very high price indeed. lots of civil lawsuits and forfeitures in their futures. and of course they will lose their jobs and be unemployable.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

Cops beating your head in and causing lifelong injuries is just “overtime” to them.

Brandon Lasko
Brandon Lasko
2 years ago

I wonder who the hell decided that every media outlet now needs to use the ugly, gender-obliterating term “Latinx” to describe western hemisphere people who, generally speaking, have some form of mixed indigenous-Iberian ancestry.

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  Brandon Lasko
2 years ago

More alphabet dejecta made up by guilty White Liberals. Even most Latinos think it’s bullshit.

trumpton
trumpton
2 years ago

So how many think the state of emergency powers stay in Canada permanently?
Especially around complete control of currency systems and banking

Just in time for a transition to a Canadian digital currency.

In some ways it seems the truck thing has been a useful mechanism to transition this to a “new normal”.

For some reason I can’t get rid of the same feeling that I had when they used Snowden to normalize the mass acceptance of surveillance which every one now takes for granted.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Problem: Mass of truckers clog up the national capital with semis in protest.

Reaction: Gov’t invokes emergency powers to seize truckers’ funding.

Solution: Implementation of government-run all-digital currency to permit immediate seizure forever.

It’s probably just me, but I feel like the US convoy is really starting to glow neon green…

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

One could write this as (as wih jan 6):

Problem: How to get digital currency and widespread powers to permit immediate seizure of all monetary assets and remove property rights

reaction: create a protest rally movement with lots of media coverage that never causes any damage or spills into real violence which enable use of emergency act and anti-terror expansion powers

solution: problem solved

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Excellent simplification.

Freeland was giddy in her press conferences because, real or not, the truckers gave the govt the perfect cover for their major goals of claiming emergency powers and further centralizing govt control over currency.

She was smiling and laughing because she couldn’t believe how easy it was!

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

“Problem: How to get digital currency and widespread powers to permit immediate seizure of all monetary assets and remove property rights.”

Not that our rulers care about it much, but how to legalize everything?

Digitize the constitution & the Bill of Rights and regularly post updates.

They could easily specify which ppl are to follow the law and those who are exempt.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  BeAprepper
2 years ago

Roll out the Terms of Service society in its full, refulgent glory.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Completely agree. Others post with bravado, conjuring their best Patrick Henry, but are you going to risk asset forfeiture and bank account freezes and losing your jobs. All the Convoy demonstrated is that the Government is completely against you, they will sodomize you, and the media will gleefully report your deflowering.
All this convoy illustrated is that most people do not care (I bet only 15% of Americans know anything about the Convoy) and that the Government can invoke whatever draconian policy it desires with no pushback. Welcome to the New Normal!

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

disagree, canada has dealt itself a mortal wound. who will migrate there, or start a business there, or build a factory, or engage in any business with canadian companies? they have made themselves pariahs. they just don’t know it. how is the cuban economy doing? north korea? venezuela? why would any person there put themself out in any way, to make things work? the banks are in the midst of a mini-run that will only get bigger. actions have consequences. trudeau will be forced out and arrested (along with his hench people) in order to try and reverse the mind… Read more »

John Flynt
John Flynt
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

While I support the cause. I’m not going to soyack over right wing extremists who hate me and would gladly trample on my grave. These POS go out of their way to hunt down “nazis” to get a pat on the head from conservative politicians.

The right wing goons and police deserve each other. I support the normal people there but if you are some rightoid who thinks the worst thing that Trudeau did is wear blackface then rot in prison.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

i’m surprised no one has mentioned this but does anyone find it odd that the covid story began in march 2020 – just when the viral season starts to wind down? It kind of makes me wonder how much we would even know about COVID if the media didn’t talk about it? My guess is it would be like ebola, sars or west nile – something you know about, but never experience.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

Concerning COVID, it took a while for the mortality rate to become apparent. Below 50 yrs old it is essentially 0%. But above 80 it rises to 14%. Of course, over 80 a stiff wind can take you out. But who is currently running the show? Largely octogenarians. Largely those with hypochondriac, let’s say neurotic tendencies. On a final note I’ve begun to notice the olds walking around with safety jackets festooned with reflectors. I really hate them. Almost as much as the idiots driving around wearing surgical masks. They hold their lives so very precious. When the years of… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

Viral seasonality was one of the facts we thought we knew about viruses that the panic mongers managed to successfully memory hole.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Well, they gamed.it a bit through a couple of stratagems: push recovering patients into nursing homes and recovery hospitals just full of people with senescent immune systems, multiple comorbidities, or pharmacologically supressed immune systems, and watch that death count rise, baby; adopt intubation as the go to strategy for the infected, keeping ’em alive for a while to run the money meter, and then decide that the strategy failed, ahh so sad; stampede the credulous into massive numbers of jabs, also resulting in more deaths from subdural hematomas, strokes, etc., still more on the death count. Amd all of this… Read more »

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
2 years ago

if what you’re saying is true – that makes this the biggest medical scandal since thalidomide.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

They did not inject 100s of millions of people with Thalidomide.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

Bigger. Yes, people did die from the push over the edge from the Coof; but people with these issues of sensecent immune systems, or underlying comorbidities have been taken off by the garden variety flu for many years. The distinguishing feature to me is the calculated manner in which these vulnerable populations seem to have been deliberately exposed to a respiratory virus that had been engineered to be more transmissable, that additionally presented in ways different than the quotidian flus or pneumonias for which fairly efficacious therapies were available to protect at least some of those infected. This cranked up… Read more »

Gauss
Gauss
2 years ago

Of the two critiques of the HBD folks, one is well justified and the other is not. They *did* lose their minds over COVID, which is inexplicable since they are supposedly into quantitative and rational thinking. It just goes to show that anyone has an irrational side, especially when fear is at work. The criticism that the HBD ideas are irrelevant to policy or that they never talk policy implications is false. The prime example is in the area of disparate impact, which is a legal doctrine based on the blank slate. Without HBD data and reasoning, there’s no good… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Gauss
2 years ago

The corona freakout on pretty much the whole race-and-IQ right showed that for them, voicing trust in the reality of intelligence measurement is an obscurantist proxy for endorsing the whole extant order, our “meritocracy,” the “experts,” etc.

So really, they’re the Real Conservatives™, with just a quibble here and there—like, “Why does Matt Yglesias make so much more money than I do?”

TiredCitizen
TiredCitizen
Reply to  Gauss
2 years ago

Just look at the blacks out in public. When not looting, raping and killing, they’re always masked up. The only people in my hood who wear the face diapers now are our diversity saints. They wear them in their cars, outside, etc. that should be an indicator to normie where they are on the IQ curve.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  TiredCitizen
2 years ago

Same with wearing safety vests from whatever menial job they have, when they’re not working.

Guns or Roses
Guns or Roses
2 years ago

One of the convoy organizers B.J. (appropriate name?) Dichter turned tail and ran. Chris Barber and Tamara Lich got busted and released, but B.J. couldn’t take the heat. And he’s starting a Twitter war with Marc Friesen who has been against the coof tyranny from day 1. Not a good look, BJ.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Guns or Roses
2 years ago

The fact he is on Twitter shows he is a fed plant. People should ignore him.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Also a small hat. I find myself checking compulsively these days.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

Early life on Wikipedia is a real wealth of practical information.

RedBeard
RedBeard
2 years ago

There is only one true authority and when we recognized this we were logically able to draw nearly all aspects of our western culture from this point (and it’s fundamentally UNWOKE I might add). The long march towards western liberalism, wokenss, whatever “ism” you want to call it has simply been an effort to turn our eyes from this authority towards temporal things “rendered under Caesar”. We can buy more guns, and start “conservative” LLCs and think about “living off grid” (if you’re a millionaire) but maybe we just need to get back to church. Maybe fake it till you… Read more »

Vajynabush
Vajynabush
Reply to  RedBeard
2 years ago

I’m no Catholic but my understand is that the RCC is pretty thoroughly pozzed from Bergoglio down through the homo perv priests and their enablers.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Vajynabush
2 years ago

It’s at most partially pozzed. Lots of solid and traditional clerics and laity. They don’t get talked about, let alone celebrated, by the carnies, but that’s the bulk and bulwark of the church today, and as it has been in the past.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  RedBeard
2 years ago

https://odysee.com/@FerociousChihuahua:6/HistorywfcDegrelle:6

Highly recommend this interview of degrelle. He was a strong catholic.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  RedBeard
2 years ago

I agree with your statement regarding the fight, but if you think you have to “be a millionaire” to live off grid, you’re doing it wrong.

hokkoda
Member
2 years ago

The issue here is extreme collectivism. Common Good Conservatism is just another way to embrace collectivism. It’s the same stupid logic that says I have to wear a mask because of your feelings. The antidote to collectivism is individualism. Individualists get steamrolled in our collectivist-oriented government. Do they select for corrupt deceivers? Yeah, you bet, but ultimately in Government, they select for drones who will support the Hive. The choice as it has been for a long time is up or down, feet or knees, free or slave. We lose because we play on their terms and we try to… Read more »

Red Foreman
Red Foreman
Reply to  hokkoda
2 years ago

There’s a lot to unpack with that comment. I generally agree with the sentiment and the points you made, but I’m not sure I agree with the idea this boils down to “individualism vs. collectivism” as the connotation might imply. The Left wants to bend you to their will, they demand conformity. So, it is true they are collectivists in that sense: they order, you obey. However, I don’t think it should follow that we could respond (and win) through hyper individualism. Team work — organization and relentless pursuit of victory — is what wins politics, and the Left has… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  hokkoda
2 years ago

Sharp take.

“The truck drivers up in Canada are losing, but they are showing the way by highlighting the vulnerabilities we as individualists face in confronting the collectivists.”

Point taken but they actually won when the provinces ended the mandates. There is indeed much to learn from these guys, and they have exposed both boobytraps and holes in the system. It probably is a good time to ditch bank stocks and draw down accounts, for starters.

tashtego
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

They did win and they made a lot of personal sacrifices to do it. Cracks were formed in the cohesiveness of the political framework and the government lost a great deal legitimacy. Instead of compromising and saving face they drove the citizens further away from the institutions used to control them and lost anyway in most of country where mandates are being rolled back.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  hokkoda
2 years ago

We are soon approaching the time where many (if not most) of the sane citizenry will realize that this hinge point in history is not patty cake and the Cloud People and their Jackboot enforcers mean business. IOW, there is no time left for high-minded and esoteric debates over political philosophy and persuasion-based vote mongering. Millions saw the storm clouds building in Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany in the 1930s. The lucky ones fled early while most buried their head in the sand, crossed their fingers, and deluded themselves that the worse could never happen here. We are poised to… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

And the smart people who lived rurally were just left alone by the Bolsheviks and lived happy ever after.

Oh wait…

TomA
TomA
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

The purpose of being in a rural safe haven at the start of the collapse is to survive the initial bout of Crazy. Then wait for the fog before doing anything proactive. This is just common sense. No one said anything about sitting on your hands and waiting for the Jackboots to show up at your doorstep. That notion came out of your head.

B125
B125
2 years ago

As of 6 pm, the protestors and trucks are still there, there’s thousands of cops in riot gear with AR-15s, horses, and other weapons. I am a little skeptical that these are all Canadian cops. Would not be surprised if foreign UN related troops are here. A giant perimeter around the downtown area has been set up – all roads are blocked. You need to show papers to prove you either live or work in downtown Ottawa to enter the “red zone”. The diversity hire black Ottawa police chief has stepped down and been replaced with a thug white guy… Read more »

Guns or Roses
Guns or Roses
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

B125, you should consider coming. You don’t have to show the cops ID at the checkpoints nor tell them where you’re going. I hope people still come and flood the parliament area like the last 3 weekends. The cops can’t do shit. Just saw photo of a mountie horse trampling an elderly woman. Pigs on horses now too, to move the crowd.

B125
B125
Reply to  Guns or Roses
2 years ago

are you up there rn?

Guns or Roses
Guns or Roses
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Nope, didn’t go. I got paranoid about my kids, and I have nobody to babysit them (none of our so called friends are on our side of the divide). Sorry I couldn’t practice what I preach. By the way, Chris Sky and others have said the so called arrests, the cops let the people go on the street outside of downtown. Theatre arrests to boost the stats. The Ottawa Police Twitter feed is comical at best. This just in: photos of woman trampled by horse is a photoshop job. Earlier: protesters threw has canister. The OPS have a bright future… Read more »

Guns or Roses
Guns or Roses
Reply to  Guns or Roses
2 years ago

*gas canister.

Referring to the BS police tweets

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

I am starting to wonder how real this is at this point in time (maybe it was earlier and everyone went home). On the live streams there are very few trucks (<10) and not that many people maybe 50-100 or so. Most of whom appear to be observers or livestreamers just there to grab footage or the see police line like a tourist. Its mostly just a few lines of police trying to look intimidating and walking slowly forward every so often against no real opposition,or numbers. The cops massively outnumber the few people, The streams are all tight shots… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

yeah i agree i think it’s just for show (for now). tough guys with their colorful uniforms and toys guns. I don’t think the mass arrests will start until Tuesday.

There are alot of trucks though, it’s hard to visualize it from a single video. it’s like several miles of trucks parked in a row down one street

Xman
Xman
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

“there’s thousands of cops in riot gear with AR-15s”

I thought AR-15s were banned in Canada.

Oh, wait — they ARE. If you are a prole, you are forbidden to own “weapons of war” which have “no purpose but to slaughter people.”

If you are a cop… well then you may have “weapons of war” which have “no purpose but to slaughter people.”

So I guess we can infer that the cops are at war with the people, and intend to slaughter them…

B125
B125
Reply to  Xman
2 years ago

Good thing only 160 of the ~100,000 “illegal” firearms have been turned in: https://ipolitics.ca/2021/12/24/most-owners-are-holding-onto-their-banned-weapons-before-buyout/

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Xman
2 years ago

It’s pretty likely what the cops have are M4s or M16s — select fire weapons. AR15s are just normal rifles.

Catxman
2 years ago

“By whose authority”?

A natural elite that’s willing to pay up.

PART ONE: A natural elite.

Socially adept men who are also cognitively able. They can paint themselves into a corner and work their way out. They can talk to women.

PART TWO: Willing to pay up

They pay for the privilege of the franchise. If, in order to vote, you’re willing to pony up little bits of gold you get in. That’s it.

Guns or Roses
Guns or Roses
2 years ago

Cops arresting people in downtown Ottawa, some are being beaten, Windows broken in vehicles. Guys in military gear with assault rifles, suspected US Army soldiers. Paddy wagons galore. Snipers on roofs. Livestreams cut off, and media kept out. But people still filming and posting.

Tyranny has come to the great white North. Pathetic Turd and his regime.

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  Guns or Roses
2 years ago

What is interesting is the seizing of bank accounts, canceling insurance, being extended to any donor. All without any warrants or judicial oversight or any appeals process. It just happens. Supposedly the person running Trudeau, Freeland, some ex news-whore with a notch count higher than Maggie Trudeau’s, has “asked” the Biden Admin to seize all US accounts (and cancel insurance etc) as they are labeled “terrorists.” My guess is that Biden in fact does that, the master plan of Dr. Jill and Psaki seem to be seize opposition voters/pols money and then ?? then profit. The underwear gnome theory of… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

State banking commissioners control who can operate banks within their states. Cucks, of course, won’t do act but there are some states that will. A number are disinvesting from Blackrock, and while that is not a bank, it shows they are aware.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Guns or Roses
2 years ago

Weird. So lines of riot police. Constant intimidation. Smashing a truck window and dragging a guy out in front of the crowd and the response is just hundreds of people holding up their phones while the guy is cuffed and dragged off, followed by a few chants of shame, but no push back. The cops just pull people through the lines and still just filming. It looks like sheep herding. Hundreds of grown men getting pushed about, women wandering around in the crowd as if its not actually happening and they just keep filming their own oppression like its a… Read more »

Drew
Drew
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

“Persecution fetish” is a phrase I’ve heard used to describe these sorts of people. It strikes me as rather accurate.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Guns or Roses
2 years ago

These guys need to learn some basic formation tactics and practice. The cops only know how to form a line. There are so many group formations the truckers could form into to totally disorient the cops and break their line or flank them etc. You are going to get arrested anyway so give them something to think about long and hard for next time. And let the world see how the cops are trained to respond.

B125
B125
Reply to  Guns or Roses
2 years ago

Maybe this will finally make the “Blue Lives Matter” crowd smarten up. Turns out that Blue lives don’t matter. They’re the front lines of the Globohomo oppression of normal white people. The military said no. The police said yes.

Heard it all around Ottawa. Speakers saying how they support the police. People thanking the cops for “being there”. The cops just kept their emotionless stare. I was cringing and kept thinking over and over “these cops you are thanking now are going to be the ones screwing you later”.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Nothing will ever get through to badge-lickers. It’s an absolute, permanent disqualification for being useful in any SHTF situation—of which this is a notable one. The “protesters” deserve to be crushed, because there’s not one fully human man among them.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

“The military said no. The police said yes.”

I don’t think that would happen down here. The military would join with the police.

The optics are horrific for Trudeau and Western leaders, but I do feel for the truckers. If it gets bad enough, we need a national strike in the States.

B125
B125
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Do the optics even matter? I’m just wondering if the normal person even knows or cares what the true story is.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Good question. I assume “yes,” but that really may be old thinking so your point is taken. We may have arrived at the place where oppression has to happen at the personal level before Normie takes note.

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

They won much of the optics battle. It does matter. They put the media and the government into a yet more absurd position. Consider how difficult it is for the middle-of-the-road liberal to think outside the party-line. They have a natural tendency to back track to their original position. But the truckers showed that not behaving like hooligans goes a long way to gaining support, tacit or otherwise. It helps that foreign country leaders are piling on with derisive comments. That’s humiliating for liberals, who like to think of themselves as bastions of virtue on the world stage.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Indeed,
When there was a rave thousands of people turned up to “show support”.

When the cops turned up no one to be seen and they watched it on TV like they had been to some LARP convention and the point of it was meaningless.

I really think optics are BS at this point. Its just another narrative to stop you acting.

It never prevents them acting.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Iron Maiden, spot on. The truckers have done AMAZINGLY. And optics really matter. It is incredibly ‘useful’, to use a regrettably cynical term, to have pictures of cops arresting and even brutalizing, ‘common folks’. People where Normie can’t put a mental barrier between them and himself.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

I want to hate the “ACAB” slogan just because it’s owned by a bunch of filthy antifa. But they’re not wrong.

trumpton
trumpton
2 years ago

This is sort of related and interesting as to how politics works inside the Netherlands and the effects on culture and what its trying to achieve. Its Thierry Baudet discussing his experience. The guy sounds actually what we would call reasonable.

He makes the same point as zman about how politicians just behave differently and have a different quality about them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHO_wkET_Sw

For those who think voting will help it is probably worth a watch.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Just to add, I have some reservations about him , as some of his interactions seem a little controlled. Its just the bit about parliament and the use of ideas.

JustMe
JustMe
2 years ago

Another great show!
And here’s this:
thepeoplesconvoy.org
These guys have Malone et al with them as well as retired military strategists.
A word from their spokesperson:
https://davespaper.com/breaking-the-peoples-convoy-set-to-begin-february-23rd-in-california/

Maus
Maus
2 years ago

Just started the Friday dive (a bit later than usual).
Quick gut takes:
1. Book Zman references is “All I Ever Needed to Know I Learned in Kindergarten” by Robert Fulghum. As you might expect from a Unitarian Universalist pastor, it’s as bland as the graham crackers they used to serve as a snack just before your nap at my own midwest kindergarten in the mid-60s.
2. By Whose authority? BFYTW! The playground is where you learn about the dominance hierarchy and exactly where you fit.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
2 years ago

While not the primary topic, your points on the iconoclasm are spot on. It was interesting how quickly the statue topplers backed off when there was pushback. The attempt to topple the Jackson statute in D.C. springs to mind, as does a really heartening incident in Gainesville, Florida of all places when desecration of a Confederate monument was stopped by credible threats of violence.

Those were the exceptions, though. Few came forward to protect their heritage out of sheer fear. That was what stuck with me.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
2 years ago

In Re: “Cultural Genocide” -it’s redundant

The most widely internationally accepted definition of the term “genocide” doesn’t differentiate between mere mass murder or abolishing culture. This is why the Australians got in trouble when they tried to forcibly put aboriginal kids in white homes “for their own good”.

Best read in Article 2 of the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of 1948.

TLDR; Cultural genocide IS genocide. The Zman is spot on about the concerted effort to wipe out any white, American culture. They know exactly what they’re doing.

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

This is the natural result of feminized culture. Everyone from Norman Mailer to Bill Gates seems to worship blacks as the ultimate man, i.e. the anti-Whites, with the more favorable characteristics to appeal to women. That is, low natural IQ, low cooperativeness, large endowment, high levels of violence, inter-personal dominance, irrational unpredictability, low deferred gratification, high impulsiveness, extraversion, and petulant, aggrieved attitudes. It is only among those who simply ceased caring, or had high enough status that did not worship blacks. Steve Jobs, John Wayne, Elon Musk, Mel Gibson, Eric Clapton, maybe a few others. At any rate a feminine… Read more »

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

I wonder if they really do worship this population or whether it’s really more self-worship in a condescending “aren’t we so enlightened?” way.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 years ago

Excellent lecture as always Z. Let me take a swing: By whose authority? By my own, and that of my Maker. The heavy lifting and deep thinking has already been done, it’s all right there in the Bible. We can blame Biden or Turdo for our circumstances; we the people put them there, and we took the knee to them when they started running amok. For 99% of this stuff it really isn’t that hard. Do what’s right. Answer to God as you do it. Easy peasey. To what end? To restore our humanity and souls. One of the things… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

“How do we get there?”

Well, propaganda seems to be pretty efficient. Look at this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10525275/Record-number-adults-say-identify-LGBTQ.html

Drew
Drew
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

92.9% of adults DON’T identify as LGBTQ. How is that success?

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

Agree that each man who is truly in accord with the natural law implanted in his conscience by the Creator is THE authority; and that the proper end of that authority is a flourishing family. It’s your last take I find problematic. Consider this likely scenario: Men, you look prepped for action with your Hawaiian shirt and your locked-and-loaded AR15. The Big Aloha is about to kick off. Fortunately, with modern optics you won’t have to wait to fire until you see the whites of their eyes. Now reach out and touch that globohomo scum! … Wait, what’s that you’re… Read more »

leggs luther
leggs luther
Reply to  Maus
2 years ago

Those drones are operated from somewhere. Find out where and you win a prize.

Double bonus prize if you find out who works there.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

The “anti-racists” don’t want a world without “racism,” they want a world without White people. They are extremely racist. They are the most racist people around. They talk endlessly of “eliminating whiteness,” which is another way of saying eliminating White people. They don’t want a world of puppies, they want a world of pit-bulls at our throats. The only reason the land is not littered white dead white bodies is for now, there are too many of us.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Numerical superiority has been the sole break on White genocide. Enough fangs have been bared to put the fear of God into even White leftists, although they never will admit it.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

US Whites are too well-armed and too many are vets with combat experience.

Omegatron Variant
Omegatron Variant
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

I’m so sick of hearing that myth. The same people who acquiesced to the Jim Covid hysteria and just accepted the Biden regime’s theft of the 2020 election aren’t going to do anything. Saying otherwise is a cope to avoid actually doing anything in the present. “Someone else is going to do something in the future, just you wait. Those other people have all the guns (mostly low powered sidearms and rifles ineffective against air support, body armor, and an organized army equipped with automatic rifles), so they’ll win the conflict for us in the future … someday.” Should Biden… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Omegatron Variant
2 years ago

ABSOLUTELY!!! The right uses their guns as pacifiers. It makes them feel all warm and fuzzy to have one. And every single one of them anywhere near the “mainstream” puts the line in the sand as taking the guns. It is truly retarded. The gun to them is not a tool to be used to further an end, it is an end in itself. They also define tyranny in such a way that we never get there, no matter how tyrannical the government has become. As long as people aren’t being dragged off the street in the middle of the… Read more »

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

I don’t know ask your dick.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Omegatron Variant
2 years ago

To an extent, I agree. However, I think there are some dissidents who are way too eager for violence. Violence can certainly be a solution to a lot of problems, but it is rarely the best solution to any problem. If the government were to go door-to-door grabbing guns, the most obvious thing to do is hide the guns and tell the agents you sold them for cash at a show years ago.ost likely, you keep the guns and avoid a shootout. Of course, they could be prepared to thoroughly search someone’s property, but they simply wouldn’t have enough manpower… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

I certainly do not advocate violence and most certainly not publicly. But I also don’t have any romantic notions about what such a scenario would look like and how badly it would affect everyone. It would be VERY ugly and there would be a lot of pain to go around. However, if you have a gun and you take using the gun off the table, then having a gun is rather pointless. To me it isn’t their taking it off the table that is the most frustrating, it’s all the fake posturing and preening about their cold dead hands. While… Read more »

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

This! Sand in gears, not copper-jacketed lead in bodies, for the win

Sand Wasp
Sand Wasp
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

I don’t thinking talking about starting violence on a public forum is a good idea.

What bothers me is the people who reflexively disavow it.

Pacifism is idealistic nonsense inconsistent with all of human history.

It also dangerously emboldens your enemy to assume he can do anything he wants with impunity.

Don’t disavow violence, just shut up and keep your rulers second guessing themselves.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Omegatron Variant
2 years ago

On the other hand, it’s possible that things really don’t happen according to your schedule and in accordance with your personal preferences. It’s possible that the right time simply hasn’t yet come.
It’s possible that *you* will recognize the time when it does come, which will be within the next ten years. There are three presidential election cycles to come during this decade: ’24, ’28, & ’32. The final crisis will come during one of those cycles. Everything is cyclical, and nobody can rush the cycles.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Omegatron Variant
2 years ago

Yep. The biggest cop bootlickers and most scrupulous followers of “the law” are the flag-waving, Blue Lives Matter gun Fudds.

I got kicked out a of a very rural (and overpriced) gun shop that wanted me to wear an absurd covid mask and “sign in.” They were deathly afraid of getting busted by the government for letting someone into their shop in violation of the mask edict.

These are the same guys who all claim they are willing to shoot a masked robber on the spot, though…

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Omegatron Variant
2 years ago

Excellent comment. Empirically private guns are not effective at preventing tyranny. 100,000 atomized guys with guns are a medium police problem. 1000 organized guys with guns are a tough problem for the military. 200 organized guys with international support, can win. Examples are Northern Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Without a common doctrine to rally around, the 350 mill. guns in America will be of no avail. History is clear on this. The German Peasant’s War is an example of how organization beats numbers; 300,000 peasants defeated by 9,000 organized men.

John
John
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

All the examples of success you gave had major support from states. IRA had American, European,Soviet,Libyan support.
Iraq was sponsored by Iran,Saudi Arabia.
Afghanistan was a Pakistani, Saudi op.
Imperial estates backed the Landsknechte? army.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

350 million Indians ruled by 5,000 British.

Ghandi’s question to the viceroy ; How can this be?
Answer ; We are better than you.

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

The goal is Power: Condemn society for racism, over and over, until society capitulates into their hands to provide salvation. The antiracism consultants charge big big bucks. The ninnies out in the street yelling are selling themselves out for free. And they are killing us off. We should be strategic about the using the word “racism.” Analytical discussion of how they use charges of racism and how we can utilize that is generally useful. Calling them racist as an insult is probably unhelpful, it might reinforce the idea that it’s bad to have racial preferences. If “racism” can become so… Read more »

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
2 years ago

Totally agree with the statistics mill leading nowhere. It’s good to know, but not a valuable tool for changing normies brain. Same with the whole ‘ Bl-em did that and they didn’t get put in jail or if trump did that all hell would have broke loose, hell has broken loose by the way.waste of time to keep bringing that up. They don’t care. Keep your lamps trimmed and burning out there.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Panzernutter
2 years ago
ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

6 million (hours)?

I don’t believe it. Seems rather implausible. Or a troll.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

# of service men x hrs of training each. Plausible.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago
trumpton
trumpton
2 years ago

Looks like the police are clearing Ottawa.

Hearing people trying to appeal to their better natures is somewhat strange.

They appear to still think they are not going to get assaulted.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Awful but predictable. The potential for violence has been great all along and the only shock is the Canadian government has not gone full Tiananmen Square, at least yet. I think this has done more to forge White identity than anything in recent history, though, and the reason for the unhinged reaction.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Given the second line appears to military/tactical in fatigues with long weapons ready, they better hope the canuks back off or some guy driving his truck through the lie is going to cause a shitshow.

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

The situation also shows how feckless the “conservative” opposition is in any Western country. At the very least, Canada’s opposition parliament members should be out there en masse standing with the protesters and daring the police to arrest them. That act might inspire widespread civil disobedience in other Canadian provinces and embolden the army to consider removing Trudeau. But no. All they do is talk and plead with an unreasonable tyrant whose hate rhetoric already caused terrorist attacks against their constituents — church burnings, specifically. I would posit that much of the Left’s advancement comes from conservative fecklessness in opposing… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

Right. I’m sure Candice Bergan will make an indignant statement on the floor of Parliament when the smoke clears, only to tell the media afterwards that the protestors should have known enough to go home first.

Again, the words of Reagan come to mind, “Here’s my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” Today’s conservatives either don’t care about winning or, worse, they quietly believe that enacting the left’s causes is winning.

Give us a winner, give us a strong horse, and you’ll have a formidable army at your back.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

No one is surprised when betrayed by an enemy.

It’s the betrayals from within that hurt the most.

The silence (or worse, condemnation about) the Jan 6 political prisoners and their total lack of due process from the Republican Party is a stain that should end the entire excuse of a party.

I imagine the truckers feel the same way about their elected officials.

Brandon Lasko
Brandon Lasko
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

I don’t think this has done anything to help forge White identity. The truckers and allies are happy to have Sikhs and schvartzers aboard if they’re down with the cause, while Trudeau and the rest of the totalitarian government are mostly white.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

No effort should be spared to identify every single cop/soldier involved in this. If for no other reason than to repeatedly dox them and plant a seed of doubt in their minds. Just as a reminder: “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  KGB
2 years ago

KGB: To which I respond, as I have to others – Why wait? Where are their neighbors right now? Why aren’t their wives and children being shunned, their families uninvited to any neighborhood party or gathering? Why aren’t other White people publicly turning their backs on them? There’s plenty of pushback that can be done when the elite’s enforcers aren’t in uniform and one can clearly demonstrate contempt . . . but crickets.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

I agree wholeheartedly. It’s no wonder conservative politicians love to talk a big game on the hustings but meekly grab their ankles once in office. They surely see that their alleged constituents are just as timid.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

my understanding is the majority of canadians are in favor of the tyrant’s actions. might be propaganda, but it fits all evidence of past behavior by the herd of normies.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
2 years ago

As an agnostic, I’ll say upfront that without God, some unquestionable law giver, there is no satisfying foundation for morality. In the absence of God, we require a foundation nonetheless. Our Founders put their faith in the “inalienable rights” of Natural Law and individual human rights. We find that this foundation cannot withstand organized ethnic groups that control the culture. My best guess for a non-religious foundation for morality coincides with Aristotle: human nature. We aren’t blank slates. Humans have inborn moral instincts and unchangeable characteristics that are the axioms from which we derive our morality. (This is where we… Read more »

mikey
mikey
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Race doesn’t have anything to do with morals, which are a cultural feature. Many white Europeans don’t have a problem with eating horse meat but it’s effectively illegal in the U.S. Cockfighting, a favorite pastime everywhere, including the British Isles, isn’t legal anywhere in the US yet is passionately practiced by whites from one end to the other, especially in the south, as it has been for centuries.
Locke, an advocate of private property, would have a difficult time prohibiting a person from eating his own dog.

Red Foreman
Red Foreman
Reply to  mikey
2 years ago

I guess that depends upon how one might define “morality.” My definition =/= social mores (eating a dog, for example) but causing harm to others. Under equal circumstances, I’d expect far more Europeans to oppose dog torture than Africans. Culture plays a role, but so do the innate personalities conferred by genetics.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  mikey
2 years ago

Culture is downstream of genetics.

Separating them out is no different than trying to pretend gender is a thing without sex.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  mikey
2 years ago

Thanks dude. I always value a civil contrary perspective.

Text to placate the filter: Goood Day Sunshine. Good Day Sunshine!

John
John
Reply to  mikey
2 years ago

Cockfighting is not a favourite pastime in the UK. Don’t assume everyone on this blog is a compatriot of yours.

You are just making stuff up

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Yup, Sandy, yup yup.

Morality comes from either biology or theology.

Our biology, ie our culture is a mish mash of almost every biology in the world. Our theology to the extent we have one, is DIEism, (which is more mish mash) is a mish mash of almost every religion in the world.

Small wonder we can’t even agree on anything. Which is how our overloads like it as we end up squabbling with each other rather than them.

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

OK, just finished the podcast and it reawakened an old memory. The first website to ban me (many moons ago) occurred after I asked the blog host “who made you God Emperor of the Universe?” and it was in the context of challenging his self-allocated Grand Authority. A phase which he later mimicked and used against others. Yes, this tactic can be useful for remote interactions like the internet, but a face-to-face confrontation in which is tangible pain is at risk is much more consequential. The incipient tyrants that currently afflict us are all posturing behind a phalanx of Jackboots… Read more »

Red Foreman
Red Foreman
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

The first website to ban me was The Free Republic. My second or third ban came after I claimed Mitt Romney would lose due to the black vote, and I was immediately permabanned because everyone just knew that was the year black voters were finally getting off that pesky old democratic plantation. For years I’d make troll accounts — say common sense things and watch them ban me in response. GWB Era: “Guys, I’m not so sure this illegal alien amnesty thing is going to help us win elections.” Banned, racism. Obama Era: “Guys, Newt Gingrich isn’t going to beat… Read more »

Mountain Rat
Mountain Rat
Reply to  Red Foreman
2 years ago

Ah, Free Republic. The home of the cucked, normie, griller, boomer brigade.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

You mean Teddy?

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

I really like TomA but he frequently invokes “jackboots” as his ultimate bad outcome.

TomA, we can’t live in peace on this planet with limited resources and differing plans.

When will you come to love the jackboots of your own people?

Nick
Nick
2 years ago

By whose authority is a very important question. I read Alex Berenson’s substack from time to time. On Feb 7th in response to the Rogan flap he said “The n-word is out of bounds for white people, okay?…I can’t believe we’re even talking about this.” After your podcast today I watched that Portnoy video you mentioned (which was also on Feb 7th and was a reaction to Rogan). Portnoy and the three Meiselas brothers are sitting around discussing who can say what words. They agree white people should never use that word. So basically we have five jews telling white… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Nick
2 years ago

The agreeing in media is just a way of one group of primates in their own small group to subvert the primate hierarchy “observe and emulate” behavior in larger troops to arrive at direction for the whole troop.

Its not any different to repeating the calls one sees in howler monkeys, and the like.

The trick is identifying which monkeys are in your troop, and which only appear to be.

trumpton
trumpton
2 years ago

For any society which is non-uniform or has fault lines that cannot be resolved via shared goals I think civil war is the answer to “Says who?”. We see this over and over. Ultimately it comes down to those who have guns and those who dig trenches. Once the majority blood is shed and the groups accept this is the state of affairs, things get entrenched into founding myths and written reasons. This time it appears to have been done without bloodshed just using media conditioning and fifth columnists. The push back around the world seems to be a start… Read more »

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

“This time it appears to have been done without bloodshed just using media conditioning and fifth columnists.” This new(ish) form of warfare is crucial. We are not evolved to deal with a purely ideological war, conducted without the use of overt force. This environment selects for different people than those who faced, shall we say, different challenges in the past. The new era will yield new survivors.

Sand Wasp
Sand Wasp
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

I have become increasingly sceptical that any kind of talking is going to change peoples opinion. Nobody “convinced” me to be on the far right, I have naturally gravitated towards this way of thinking my whole life, and have no idea how to “convince” anyone who hasn’t moved in this direction on their own. Trying to get people to see things our way might be like trying to convince a gay man to like women. Talking and argumentation are far less useful than most people assume. Perhaps the assumption that we can get people to agree with us if we… Read more »

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  Sand Wasp
2 years ago

This cultural programming in part worked because we are the people of the Word, used to resolving disputes both through conventional warfare and through discussion over centuries of conflict. Our Constitution presupposes that we will use are variety of linguistic means to redress our grievances and mitigate our differences.

But as you say, these means have their limits, and culturally and ethnically distinct groups that lack shared history can’t talk away their differences in all cases. Nor can their ‘benevolent’ masters sweet-talk them into agreement. However much the managerial class thinks it can control the narrative, reality steps in.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Iconoclasm proves your point about destroying and contorting founding myths. It is a multi-generational effort to erase history and generally dies with the last generation to have lived fully in it. For Westerners, that means Generation X for the most part. Sometimes erasure is unsuccessful, though. In the United States, both the South and Hawaii (the more surprising of the two) have frequent outbursts of cultural revanchism, in the UK Scotland moves toward independence and language and culture never got put down for good in Wales, which is similar in that way to the American South. Similar efforts have been… Read more »

Steven
Steven
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Your point about Scotland demostrates how powerful corporate culture is in your mind and thus refutes your point about the immutable nature of culture. There was never an English attempt to erase Scottish culture, on the contrary the UK like all imperial states attacks the core demographic ie the English. Scottish nationalism and identity has always been tolerated and even encouraged whilst English identity has been opposed by the British elite since the inception of the UK. Scottish people can wave their flags,physically assault handicapped Englishmen in wheelchairs and nothing happens but if one Englishman says he is proud to… Read more »

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  Steven
2 years ago

The question of the extent to which the English were or were not able to eradicate the native Celtic cultures of the UK is a thorny one. At different points in their shared history the English have had a greater or lesser tolerance for the Scottish and Welsh populations with which they shared an island. But for myself, the experience of the UK is more illuminating in contrast to the US when we consider the geographic barriers available to those populations which allowed them to preserve their culture and distinctiveness. America is different in that we don’t have a mountain… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Iron Maiden
2 years ago

Geography plays a key role in the States as to cultural preservation. Appalachia remains culturally intact primarily due to geographic isolation, for example. Still, propaganda reaches everyone, everywhere and it destroys culture in an even more insidious manner.

Sand Wasp
Sand Wasp
Reply to  Iron Maiden
2 years ago

I disagree somewhat. Appalachia isn’t geographically isolated in the traditional sense. It just that most people don’t really want to live there so it wasn’t invaded by outsiders like California was.

Any valuable land in the US is vulnerable to easy migration. The peoples who live in the undesirable lands aren’t preserving a culture that is going to really matter. Appalachia is inhabited by “left side of the bell curve” people who don’t have very many options.

My guess is that culture could be easily annihilated if conditions were to change.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Steven
2 years ago

I stand rebuked and corrected, and apologies about your skin.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

“Once the majority blood is shed and the groups accept this is the state of affairs, things get entrenched into founding myths and written reasons. This time it appears to have been done without bloodshed just using media conditioning and fifth columnists.” I think you just described the process of civilization. No morals, no civilization. Pain is moral— it disciplines. Whether inflicted or self-imposed, it’s what keeps people in line. Myths only have power if they touch a nerve, if there’s truth in them iow. Maybe even a race memory of past pain, who knows. What’s going on is lies… Read more »

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

Since we’re getting to the root of things, how about we start with the notion that there is a “universal truth” underpinning anything political. I submit not. In all things that evolve with respect to the interactions of groups of humans, what persists is what works in a particular environment. And by “work” I mean that it enhances the ability of the group to survive and thrive over the long run. Work means continued existence and not work means eventual extinction of either the group or the political behavior. In northern European regions, cooperative behaviors tend to persist because that… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

By whose authority

They’re answer is “The People”. As revealed by Twitter.

The enlightenment and the rejection of God meant that “man” (as in human beings) were god. Whether individually or collectively.

But it was always hard to know the collective will of humanity. Every fool can claim to speak for the unheard majority.

But now we have social media to reveal the will of the divine group.
It’s an oracle accessible to everyone.

bruce g charlton
bruce g charlton
2 years ago

There never was any basis for conservatism. I suppose the original division was Tories representing the waning landed/ agrarian interest, and Whigs representing the waxing class of finance/ merchants/ business. But once both sides dropped any basis in religion, they both became variants of The Left i.e. oppositional and negative ideologies defined by what they are against. The Left is now the entirety of politics, worldwide; and the only possible alternative to The Left would be a party of religion – but that would need to be a religion that had based itself in different and deeper principles than any… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  bruce g charlton
2 years ago

“ Conservatism” began as a defense of the established order against the demands of the left.

But the left has taken control of the establishment at all levels.

Which leaves what for conservatives to defend?

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

The left against you.

Severian
2 years ago

Haven’t listened to the show yet, but this is a topic near and dear to my heart. Locke only said what he said because of Hobbes — it’s not too much of an exaggeration to say that pretty much all of modern Western political theory is an attempt to keep Hobbes’s method (arguing like a geometry proof from the “laws of nature”) without coming to Hobbes’s conclusion. The problem is, Hobbes’s premises are false. There’s a “state of nature” all right, and in the state of nature it’s all against all, but Hobbes’s thought experiment* starts by assuming that in… Read more »

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

The frustrating part is that everyone knows in their core, perhaps subconsciously for many, that people are not born equal. However, the thought is self censored from polite society. The greatest example I use for people is this. IVF and sperm banks to this day heavily recruit donors from Ivy League medical and law schools and athletes from D1 sports teams. Why don’t they just get the sperm of homeless people if everyone is born equal? Surely the homeless people could use the money. Perhaps it’s as simple as the fact that the reality of one has direct consequences if… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Greek
2 years ago

That would be funny. Get some single rich female graduate wanting to spend a few grand on a kid and tell her we are just going outback to randomly grab a sample from a lucky dip, could be white, black, some dwarf meth head from papua new guinea who knows? We are all the same under the skin right? I wonder how long it would be before she was wanting to speak to the manager. And yet even after doing this, she would always still assert when questioned the very thing she proved to be false 10 minutes earlier. However,… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

“How one fixes it without control of the conditioning mechanism is another matter.”

Classical conditioning: reward & punishment.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Indeed. Hungry serfs make excellent agricultural laborers, but not much else. So, unleash the UBI, but also create de facto sumptuary laws by ending all food aid to the poor. Inflation from the creation and circulation of the UBI will require the bulk of it to be spent on necessities, lest the recipients starve or freeze. No more Ford Mustangs or 60″ flat screen TVs or iPhone 10+s for the masses. Equality is a lie; and equity is a delusion.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Maus
2 years ago

Very few poor people have new or fancy anything. That’s from the old moralistic “the poor should suffer” canard. As for UBI and welfare . Its as much a corporate subsidy as a personal handout. The economy is 40% State now (at all levels) probably more since COVID . If somehow your replacement system could go “Full Silent Cal” and get rid of nearly everything non essential over time, the result wouldn’t be an economic bloom but a 25% decline in GDP probably more on a permanent basis . That doesn’t account for spill over effects, vastly reduced consumption and… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  The Greek
2 years ago

That really is a great counter-argument to the ‘born equal’ mentality. Question: If you were needing a sperm donor to have children, would you screen the donors?

I’m betting there wouldn’t be any answers in the negative.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Outdoorspro
2 years ago

Outdoorspro: Largest demand is for Danish sperm (lots of Latinas want to lighten their kids) and second place is American (meaning traditional White American). Couldn’t find the precise article I remembered about this, but here’s a link to womyn’s explanation of why Danish sperm is preferred:
https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a6134/danish-sperm-donors/

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

You should tell Felix Krull, he could have a lucrative side business going.

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

So much of modern American politics can be (facetiously perhaps) reduced to this sort of phenomenon. “We hate you but we want to mate with you”.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  The Greek
2 years ago

The Greek: It appears to me that the core of the problem is refusing to accept man’s physical nature. Sure, the left loves its formulaic ” A cockroach is a rat is a dog is a boy,” mocking humanity’s place in the natural hierarchy – mocking the concept of a physical hierarchy itself, particularly one ordained by God. But they simultaneously deny that man’s nature can be altered by breeding, just like any other mammal. For the right, there’s that same blindness but it seems to flow more from the feminized construct of churchianity. Any talk of man’s nature or… Read more »

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

Feminized Christianity is perhaps the last gasp of Christianity, and a terrible end at that. So much of our modern madness is related to pseudo-Christian heresies rattling around in the heads of an increasingly ignorant population. Complex theological concepts get reduced to ‘Be Kind, Inc.’ If Christianity doesn’t revive itself it will perforce be replaced by a robust, stand-the-test-of-time alternative. The present order is, to use modern parlance, unsustainable.

RedBeard
RedBeard
Reply to  Iron Maiden
2 years ago

Christianity has always been under assault since the get-go by people, often Christians, wanting to undermine it. But it always seems to revitalizes and survive mostly through the Saints and martyrs.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

Our political theories have not come to grips with evolution.

Hobbes’ musings on the state of nature (or really those of any other enlightenment thinker) are laughably preposterous to anyone familiar with evolution.

Thoughts on humans state of nature should begin with something like a baboon troop and work out from that dynamic as home sapient developed physically and intellectually.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Yep, I was going to write exactly the same thing.

Hobbes was writing from the creation perspective so Man would never be thought of as a higher animal.

That ship has sailed. Politics still suffers from this, and its like having a NASA programme based on euclid.

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Without a doubt, evolution and the discovery of DNA shined a spotlight on the errors of enlightenment ideas and how our politics needed to be adjusted. However, humans have really known these things since the ancients. Historical writings talked about coming from good stock, and the apple not falling far from the tree. Truly great families were sometimes said to trace lineage to a god. All these things acknowledged biological inheritance of traits. As severian noted, Hobbes and enlightenment thinkers that mused “we are all born equal” was more of the equivalent of a college kid smoking weed and talking… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Greek
2 years ago

Hobbes was also writing about homogeneous European type nations and their internals.

It is obvious that one cannot generalize these observations to different human groups that evolved entirely separately, with different gene admixes.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  The Greek
2 years ago

Always found it interesting how much people instinctually know this, but don’t know how to articulate it. One of the main plot points of Pride and Prejuduce was getting one of the wilder younger daughters married off to the soldier before everyone found out about her behavior. It wasn’t just to keep her from shame, but the fear from the other daughters that others potential suitors would see them as coming from bad stock. Never had anyone who watched it who thought, “that’s silly”, what their sister does gives any indication of how I’ll be or how my children will… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

I always appreciate a life lesson from a source I hadn’t considered. Thirty years ago I had a feminist English professor ask me my favorite novel. When I said Pride and Prejudice, she said “That’s a great choice…for a male.” That really rankled me and was one of those moments that temporarily arrested my standard-issue college leftist inclinations.

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  The Greek
2 years ago

Exactly – equal before God is not the same as ‘equivalent in all respects’. We are not amoeba.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

It’s been 22 years since I read Leviathan, but didn’t Hobbes base his notion of living in a state of nature on the English civil war? Nasty, brutish, and short. Wasn’t he opposite of Rousseau in that regard?

I remember him as a strong proponent of civilization and hierarchy.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

I always took him as a misanthrope trying to figure out how to keep the idiots in line, and not much more. Men aren’t blank slates in the exalted sense— just the opposite. Got the impression his contempt was that intense.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Misunderstood you a little re: state of nature, Severian. Apologies. Off my game (as such) yesterday, I guess. You nailed it.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

At work, haven’t heard the podcast yet so just a quick note w a link that seems relevant, especially towards ‘How do we do it?’ now that it seems Trudeau is getting ready to Tiananman Ottawa this weekend. It’s the SOE secret agent manual from WW2. Much of it, especially in surveillance and technology is completely obsolete. OTOH it is written before PC nonsense and for use against a genuinely dangerous and serious police state, Nazi Germany. The price of genuine, no-nonsense info on how to work in hostile territories, is that parts will be very obsolete. The parts that… Read more »

Fenster Moop
Fenster Moop
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

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The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

” … it seems Trudeau is getting ready to Tiananman Ottawa this weekend.”

It is a necessary stage, though, and I doubt that the truckers are shocked by this turn of events.

What’s next?

The People’s Convoy leaves California Wednesday, weeks ahead of the original date:

https://thepeoplesconvoy.org/

As somebody said on this site yesterday: This is the beginning, not the end.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

I regrettably agree that we need something that will make Normie really angry at Globohomo and see it as not just ‘Our Democracy’. To build a bigger network we need a common belief system. The American Revolution, Muhammedans and Commies all had that, a shared idea of what they wanted to do, not just what they were against. We need the same. Until we have it we’re atoms, ready to be picked off one by one.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

If one searches enough they can find YouTube channels with such valuable tactical info they have to be honey pots that are part of a larger glow op.