If you were to go back in time to the 1980’s, scoop up a group of conservatives and show them this post from the National Conservatives, those retro-conservatives would be very confused. For starters. they would be puzzled as to why such a thing was even necessary in 2022. Surely by this late date everyone would know the general framework of the American Right. More important, it would be the general framework of the nation, given the trajectory of the conservative movement.
Once the present situation in America was explained to them, they would no doubt want to know what went wrong? Was there a horrible calamity that derailed conservatives and sent the nation reeling into authoritarian degeneracy? Did the Left stage a revolt and seize the country by force? Did we lose the Cold War? At this point, the room would fall silent as none of the signatories of that post could provide a coherent explanation for why things have gone so horribly wrong.
Many of them have been participating in a long running debate about what fills the void left by the implosion of Buckley conservatism. A few camps have formed up around various concepts. They all agree that Buckley-style conservatism was a failure, but there has not been much discussion about why it failed. In fact, they seem to think Buckley conservatism was fine, as they make clear in that document. Again, everything there was baseline conservatism in the 1980’s.
Those 1980’s conservatives would also be a bit puzzled by the names. Once they got their bearings, they would quickly figure out that many of their favorite conservatives in the 1980’s did not live to see 2022. New voices would have come along to fill those spots, but surely some would have made it. Which of these names are taking up the banner once held by Sam Francis, Pat Buchanan and Paul Gottfried? It seems like those guys were right about the direction of conservatism.
Imagine the shock when it was explained that those guys were not only purged from conservatism but pre-emptively purged from the new conservatism. Sure, this statement of principles is being posted in a magazine founded by Pat Buchanan, but not a single name on that list would want his name in the same sentence with Buchanan or any of the other guys from the 1980’s who turned out to be right. In fact, many have denounced the old paleos as immoral.
There is something to be said for getting back to basics in a time of stress, so this statement of principles makes sense for a group that largely seems dedicated to going back in time and starting over. By embracing what was standard issue conservatism in the 1980’s, they are hoping to reset the movement and install themselves at the top, with all the benefits that come from it. That means their central claim is that real conservatism has never been tried.
It is in that document, however, where you see the seeds of failure within the old Buckley-style conservatism. The first principle starts with “We wish to see a world of independent nations.” It finishes with “We endorse a policy of rearmament by independent self-governing nations and of defensive alliances whose purpose is to deter imperialist aggression.” The fact that this obvious contradiction was not obvious to the signers suggests they have leaned nothing from failure.
As George Washington explained in his farewell address, a nation cannot remain independent when it forms alliances with other nations. As history makes clear, when you agree to defend Poland from its enemies, you inherit the enemies of Poland, even if that contradicts the interests of your people. Washington correctly argued that “inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded.”
One can maybe debate this point within the larger debate about conservatism, but there is no debating the bit about deterring imperialist aggression. The sole source of imperialist aggression in the world today is the Global American Empire. By the reasoning in that first principle, the world should unite in opposition to the United States and perhaps even the collective West. You can be certain that not a single signer of that document would agree with that point.
Of course, it is the last point where they give the game away. This is surely the contribution of Yoram Hazony, who seems to lack even a high school level understanding of human biology. Instead, he just accepts the far-left claim that race is skin color and that biology is a social construct. Whether he really believes this is open to debate, given that he is an Israeli, but he makes a point of denying biological reality whenever the opportunity arises.
That last principle is worse than ignorant, it is traitorous. These are the guys claiming to defend the tradition, history and culture of the people. At the same time, they insist “The history of racialist ideology and oppression and its ongoing consequences require us to emphasize this truth.” Really? Who are those racist oppressors? Is it the guys whose statues lie in ruins? Is it the guys lying in graves desecrated by left-wing goons bellowing about the history of racialist ideology?
This gets to the failure of Buckley-style conservatism. At some point, Buckley figured out that he could enjoy the lifestyle he deserved by conceding the moral high ground to the people he claimed to oppose. Once he conceded that basic point, he condemned himself to a lifetime of performing as a useful idiot for the benefit of his masters on the Left and he condemned his movement to failure. There is simply no room for conservative ends within the left-wing moral framework.
A nation is a people, not a collection of abstract concepts. Within a nation there can be a fair degree of variance, but relative to other people the differences are tiny from the perspective of outsiders. To a Swede, a Finnish atheist is no different than a Finnish Lutheran or Finnish pagan. They are just Finns. On the other hand, no one, not even these egalitarian nationalists, would confuse a Finn for an African. That is because they are obviously different people.
Finally, what this and the larger discussion within the group debating the future conservatism reveals is they have learned nothing. That is because they have not bothered to think about why conservatism failed. Perhaps the danger that lies in such a project is the issue. Maybe they lack the intellectual firepower to tackle it. Either way, repeating the slogans of the past, hoping to recreate the past is called a cargo cult, not a serious political movement.
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To nitpick a bit: One of the things that annoys me is the virtual disappearance of the word “man.” The use of the slangish “guy” in its place is way overdone and quite frankly undignified. When speaking of accomplished men like the late great Sam Francis and Pat Buchanan, they should be referred to as exactly that, men. The communists insist on the use of the word “woman” to ridiculous extremes (even though women no longer exist in their fevered brains), while men have been reduced to guys, boys, males, etc. Part of reclaiming our manhood is to call ourselves,… Read more »
I find myself largely in agreement with the “conservative principles” enunciated in The American Conservative, but like everything to which there is “largely” agreement, there are items with which I do not necessarily or wholeheartedly agree. That being said, I found many of the comments enlightening as well, which got me to thinking about the whole concept of “white nationalism.” The problem therewith is that white people do not have a history of identifying with others of the same skin color, whereas blacks in America seem to do so, mostly because of their shared identity as the offspring of former… Read more »
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” they would no doubt want to know what went wrong?” We know what went wrong. The sensitisation of society, caused by the feminisation of society, amplified by the advent of the internet and social media, and facilitated by global mobility. None of that has anything to do with politics. Politics simply clusters around the prevailing public sentiment, like ants around a drop of honey. There’s no political solution. The cat is out of the bag – and clawing up the curtains. It will only get worse until the Great Debacle, the collapse of the world’s financial system – I… Read more »
Most small nations are small because they’re doing something wrong. They exploit the charity of great powers by aligning with the globalist hegemony. Great powers that compete with the hegemony, even if it’s the most basic competition of wanting to be the next hegemony, don’t deserve to be artificially held back by being unnecessarily respectful of pathetic minor powers. Great powers aren’t empires. The imperial model is the one that props up petty nationalists. Truly independent small nations that aren’t consistently willing tools of empire are a rounding error. The great exception to the rule is of course that little… Read more »
One of the recurrent themes Z-man mentions is the need for a coherent dissident narrative. And it’s become clear that one of the failures of conservatism in its current iteration, is that it can no longer offer an overarching narrative, within which its individual components make sense, and come together to form a coherent, self-consistent whole. Say what you will about the founders and framers, they understood why they believed as they did: when challenged, they could point to an overarching narrative within which their beliefs and actions made sense. And they got a lot of things right: they were… Read more »
Fundamentally, without the spiritual the West has no heart and cannot survive…Because only spiritual beliefs provide a coherent basic moral and life narrative…Another word for that is community, and community requires an agreement on morals and spiritual beliefs…Women who sacrificed their children to some version of Baal would be executed, but the opportunity would never arise…
I guess…. it depends on what you mean by ‘spiritual’ We no longer need to rely on myths to give us a sense of who we are as human beings, and how we got here. It’s now clear that we evolved, over hundreds of thousands of years. The genetic isolation of the various people-groups, and their gradual adaptation to their varying locales, explains how the various races came about. The human biodiversity we see is entirely to be expected, just what the evolutionary narrative would predict; it would be astonishing if the dramatic differences in appearance that distinguishes Swedes from… Read more »
People need to know when they’re conquered.
Would you know? Would I?
“Those 1980’s conservatives would also be a bit puzzled by the names.”
When I clicked through to the post and looked at it, I read the first name as *Wilt* Chamberlain. It was much more entertaining that way.
Semi-OT:
Looks like the summer fun is beginning as RvW protestors in Kavanaugh’s neighborhood are openly threatening residents and their children:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/kavanaughs-neighbor-claims-pro-abortion-protesters-are-threatening-homeowners-fck-you-fck
For the love of God, what will it take to kill this Civic Nationalism beast?!
Fifty years of utter and complete failure at every level possible and these twits are still pushing it. The pussies refuse to plant their flag on anything. This is just CivNats getting their panties in a bunch because they were promised that non-whites and the tribe would adopt Anglo-Saxon values and they reneged the minute that took power.
Beats me.
I think I made iSteve mad by implying Susan Rice was one of the main puppetmasters in the WH.
Turns out there are people out there who still seem to believe Biden is fully aware and in charge.
Wild Geese: Before he hid under his bed in fear of covid, Sailer very notably avoided any post (that I can recall) about the legitimacy – or lack thereof – of the 2020 election. Not that it makes a damn bit of difference at this point (and I personally want Trump to just go away), but it was an obvious avoidance of a highly controversial subject dear to many conservatards. Sailer and his boomer and IAMSOSMART followers perform intricate maneuvers to avoid facing the crux of any issue because it might be genuinely divisive. Really, they just daily rehash the… Read more »
Sailer avoids everything but the obvious fact that there average racial differences.
He never writes about what whites should do about identity politics. He never writes about whether groups should identity with their own people. He never acknowledges the complete failure of civic nationalism.
Honestly, the guy never takes a stand on how whites or any group really should fight back the Woke mob.
He just presents another graph in hopes that it will finally change their mind.
And wouldn’t a genuine conservatism start by insisting on describing things accurately? Wouldn’t a genuine conservatism make no bones about the fact that pretty much every discovery and achievement that contributes to civilization as we know it— whether in geographic exploration, philosophy, government, science, technology, medicine, the arts— was accomplished by a White person? Wouldn’t a genuine conservatism counter Progs’ vague charges of “White supremacy”— whatever that is— with the clarification that *supremacy of achievement* has always belonged to Whites? Wouldn’t a genuine conservatism insist that excellence is nothing to be ashamed of, that the ongoing striving for excellence has… Read more »
Agree with everything you say one hundred percent. The main element you’re demanding of a “genuine conservatism” is simple: BALLS. The vast majority of self-described conservatives are White. Today’s White people as a whole, with exceptions (but not nearly enough exceptions), essentially have NO BALLS. If they don’t recover their courage (and self-respect) in time, they may end up losing Western Civilization altogether.
P.S.: We White people — yes, us! — are the indispensable ingredient of Western Civ. That so few of today’s Whites appear to understand that is arguably our biggest problem.
Even if a conservative forcefully stated all your points, it would persuade few. The population of the country has entirely changed since the 80s.
Few want to dance to your song, even if it is a really good one.
No doubt you’re correct. And yes: that’s part of the problem.
Isn’t the true story of America, and our justified pride in the achievements of our ancestors— which is a chapter in the worldwide story of White achievement— one of the most important things conservatives should have been conserving?
Never gonna happen, brother. Conservative Inc, just like Liberal Inc is owned and controlled by the same tribe of satanists. Coke or Pepsi? The illusion of choice, while nothing ever fuckin changes. The neworldorder marches on while we concentrate on diversions. We’re being led to the slaughterhouse or the holding pens of the talmud plantation. They print the money to do it and the tv and bagelwood to gaslight the dumbfucks into oblivion.
I thought for sure that Ben Shapiro and Rich Lowry’s names would be on the list of signatories.
A revolt, yes. By force? I would say yes, as the understanding is that anyone who shows disagreement with the Left is persecuted by the state, which is ultimately backed by force.
The “argument” or statement of principles in the American Conservative is invalid because not all the premises are true—or can be true. Biological differences are real and denying them—even those based upon a “lab test’—is denying observable reality and basic science.
Wishing something true—even when not, is part and parcel of the Left. No true “Conservative” restatement of principles can use this tactic and call itself a new organizing platform.
Right: a genuine conservatism begins by separating fact from fiction: by distinguishing
‘what we can show to be true’
from
‘what we wish were true’
or
‘what would be true in an ideal world as we envision it.’
And fortunately for us, the facts are on our side. We can embrace ‘the science’, because every day science is demonstrating the reality of group biological differences, and all that implies. Every day science is producing more evidence confirming that Whites rose to the top through merit, not through oppression.
I gave you an upvote. Your only error is the all-too-common tendency to ascribe faults to (only) one’s opponent. Only the Left is guilty of self-delusion? Really? And what makes you think that the rest of humanity is immune to this fault, dissident right included? Of course, that doesn’t mean that everything of “theirs” is bad/false any more than all “our” stuff is good/true. As always,the same tests of admissibility of evidence and rigors of proof must apply to all claims, no matter the source. Anything less is intellectually dishonest.
I’ve never seen, read or heard of any black or brown ever saying “I don’t see color.”
Fairly certain I’ve heard Candace Owens say exactly that. But she’s a clown so…
Professor Alfred Sharpton: I don’t know about a clown, but she’s always had her eye on the main chance. When she observed that being yet another black leftist didn’t pay enough, she did a volte face and promoted conservatard magic principles, immediately becoming their beloved brave, independent black justification for muh equality. She snagged a financially comfortable White Englishman and quickly birthed an extremely odd looking mulatto (whitish skin and mother’s exact nose and face). She’s movin’ on up.
I think they call that a “high steppin yella”.
In fact, it’s just the opposite: race is the FIRST thing Blacks think about, whether it’s describing themselves, or explaining the world around them. Have you ever heard a Black person being interviewed, who didn’t begin with some variation of: “As a woman of color” or “As a Black man…”? But you’ll rarely hear Whites talking that way. And although Obama campaigned on a promise to usher-in a “post-racial world”, in point of fact he began the process of racializing everything: encouraging Blacks to identify first and foremost as victims of a racist system, and to view everything through the… Read more »
Race is their religion.
you misspelled “oxygen”
That was their bold statement? That was weak. Things that stood out: 1. No mention of individualism 2. Why are non-Americans authors and signatories? Good for the UK, Poland, Israel … I wish you well. Just like an individual must accomplish his own goals so must a nation. I wish you well in building your nation. But my nation, its people and their resources are to be used for building and maintaining our nation. But out of our business. This is insane that people from other nations are writing our nation’s statement of nationhood. That right there tells you nothing… Read more »
Individualism is one of the main reasons why we are on our knees.
I’d say abuse of individualism, actually.
To clarify, the questionable “individuals uber alles!” fags and fagettes are not acting alone or simply minding their own business.
Collectivism is why we are on our knees. Disorganization is why we are on our knees. Lack of self worth multiplied across is why we are on our knees. Atomization is why we are on our knees. Shame is why we are on our knees. Lack of erudition is why we are on our knees. Individualism is not every man for himself on his own. Individuals have rights. Individuals commit crimes. Individuals elevate themselves and perform acts of valor. Individuals cooperate with like minded individuals to achieve something greater than one individual can achieve alone. Individuals are not defined by… Read more »
Regarding the distiction between Swedes and Finns, neither of which would be mistaken by anyone sane for an African of any sort, it still remains unclear to me how we ultimately decide who a people are in the sense of “are they my kindred?” It cannot be purely language because many Kenyans, South Africans, and Nigerians, to name just a few, speak passable English. It cannot be purely cultural, in the cultic sense, because many Africans share my religion or some other transnational viewpoint, e.g. the science behind boiling water. Is it simply geographical? I am from this region and… Read more »
When you have mobility and allow free association, a natural sorting process always ensues and gets to an optimized result end eventually. And there are many paths that can be taken along way. Each local environment will likely have its own unique path that works well there but not necessarily elsewhere. Only tyrants and bureaucrats demand a one-size-fits-all solution.
The conservatives are mensheviks to democrats bolsheviks. The history tells us that the most ruthless wins.
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Anna, it’s a pleasant surprise to agree with you. From where does the fierceness and ruthlessness of the democrats/leftists/progressives come?
I’ll add that, as a certain painter once observed, conservatives’ highest values are comfort and security and so they will never really fight the establishment.
The problem with conservativism is that they’re Washington Generals of politics in bi-factional ruling party Kabuki play. I can see them snapping their fingers after every defeat and saying “oh dagnabit, we lost again. Let’s get ’em next time.” They cave every time, just like with the guns in the Senate. Or they reach a compromise with the forces of darkness, celebrate it as a win for them (hey guys, we owned the Left) and then the Left comes back a year later, two years later and demands more. And then they compromise again, giving the forces of Satanic chaos… Read more »
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Any organization which is not explicitly anti-Semitic sooner or later becomes Yoram Hazony.
Vegetius, and any country which is anti-semitic sooner or later becomes Ukraine.
That’s why I stand up to the American antisemites:
to protect this country from the Higher Power’s wrath. I don’t bother with other countries antisemites.
Anna: Sugar britches, Ukraine and its native people have been raped by yours (Kolomoisky and his protege Zelensky as prime examples) for decades. Ukraine has enough natural resources and inherently capable people that it ought to be a comfortably middle class nation and not a financial basket case, but it’s been sucked dry by parasites. They needed a Putin of their own and didn’t get one.
Hoo boy, 3g. With its resources and literate white population, Ukraine should be richer than Germany.
SHOULD be
And in support of your proposition that Ukraine (as currently constituted…)officially) could be in a great position, this post ought to do it:
https://sonar21.com/why-the-west-lusts-after-ukraine/
So many potential advantages, such an demon-ridden place, albeit a totally fictitious nation under any applicable definition.
Terrifying idea, that we may be invaded aggressively by Mexico due to our antisemitisms, being shelled mercilessly by the Burrito Battalion. Higher power is really looking out for us. Oh, wait a second…
This is a formal declaration of surrender, isn’t it? They’re applying for positions under the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers.
They are actually a cargo cult of a cargo cult. The only thing 1980s conservatism accomplished was surrendering every battle and making Con, inc rich.
Imagine the grandchildren of a cargo cult believing the cargo cult of their grandfathers worked and brought lots of great cargo and so set out on rebuilding the bamboo airport!
Of course, the modern conservative would look at their peers building the bamboo airport and drone on about how the building the airport is creating jobs and growing the economy and calling it an investment in our future.
Did Buckley ever really have that much appeal, even in his early years, outside the professionals of the 1950’s and 60’s? My dad liked him because he was raised by a 1950’s CPA who liked Goldwater, who was really big on the west coast. It seems to be, and I’m completely alien to that era, born far later in a post white society, that Buckley politics were sort of aspirational in a middle class pecking order of the time. Once you went from the Chevy to the Buick, and the GE oven to the Thermador oven, you embraced Buckleyism. Your… Read more »
What? But you too can join the Royal Order of Water Buffalo- that’s patriotic democracy in action, by golly!
I can remember being a little boy in Seattle in the 70s. Buckley came on the TV and my Dad said, “This guy has a mind like a steel trap.”
And so he did. There is no doubting the man’s intelligence. But being smart doesn’t make you right. Look at Karl Marx.
So did Bernie Madoff. The problem of judging his popularity among the conservative voters is the mainstream was even more controlled then than it is today. I get the feeling though that he was a bit like Sean Hannity in that the boomer conservatives follow him because that is what the mainstream feed to them. If the conservative movement of the time had the choice, I’m thinking they wouldn’t have chosen him. There’s video on youtube of Buckley debating some black guy at Oxford. He was horrible, even in the 50s. He tried arguing against the “civil rights movement” by… Read more »
I grew up with parents who regarded Buckley as ‘the world’s greatest genius’. So, being young, I just assumed that Buckley was our Maginot Line against the enemy, the Left. Boy was I disappointed, when I got a bit older and checked out the man for myself. Back in my NR days – we’re talking 1985-1995ish – I avoided Buckley’s essays because they were prolix and confusing to me. On TV his verbal and physical mannerisms – quite aside from that obnoxious accent he picked up in college – made me suspect that Buckley was playing a role, acting in… Read more »
Thank you for the background. It only lends support to my claim elsewhere, that Buckley was a CIA property from the start. (I claim no intimate knowledge of the man; chances are I am just parroting something I read once.) I’m sure books or at least articles have already been written on the topic: Isn’t it possible that the Deep State used people like Buckley for the express purpose of de-fanging potential opponents (e.g. “True” [Paleo-]Consevatives)?
Buckley tended to be on the insufferable side. Kind of slumped in his chair, speaking in affectatiously (is that a word?) pretentious language. I guess since he was nominally taking on the left, he had some use, but not much…
The key to understanding the East Coast conservatives is they never actually wanted to CHANGE anything. The Buckleys, Kristols and Wills, et al were just a big, snotty debating club created to show the world how superior they were. That’s why they were absolutely horrified by people on the right like Reagan and Trump who really wanted to do stuff.
A southerner named Robert Lewis Dabney said the very same thing many years ago.
Northern conservatism will conserve nothing.
https://counter-currents.com/2012/11/robert-lewis-dabney-on-conservatism/
If memory serves, George Will loved Reagan, until the disarmament deals with the USSR worked out by Reagan’s team in his second term. Will was so upset by this ‘appeasement’, attacking the agreements in his WP columns, that Reagan invited Will to the WH to straighten him out. Thereafter Will was again a Reaganite; he mollified his tone in ensuing WP columns, and all was well.
Tubman DF in action.
The only thing the Buckleys and Kristols (or more properly their ancestors) changed was the demographics of the Northeast. They conserved nothing because why would you conserve something you had no part in? As far as Reagan: he signed the Amnesty (w/o any enforcement) that changed electoral politics forever. Candidate Trump v. President Trump is one of the biggest reversals in the history of politics. I’m not sure what to make of it.
” We are citizens of Western nations who have watched with alarm as the traditional beliefs, institutions, and liberties underpinning life in the countries we love have been progressively undermined and overthrown. ” They could have as easily said, ” We are citizens of Western nations who have watched with alarm as the traditional beliefs, institutions, and liberties underpinning life in the countries we love have been undermined by Progressivism.” But, as they are progressives themselves (albeit the foot-dragging variety), the distinction doesn’t occur to them. No wonder they are whipsawed with confusion. Same with Douglas Murray and his latest… Read more »
Yeah they watched in “alarm” as the success of their grift has gone beyond their wildest dreams. A sucker born every second and all that.
Used to be every minute, but now things are speeding up.
Political ideology is just bullshit that “educated” midwits throw at “uneducated” midwits so the “educated” midwits can make a living. It makes a fetish out of words and phrases like democracy, or the “right side of history”. As per my post of yesterday, what “works”? That should be the only thing that historians and political “pundits” should be concerned with. If something doesn’t work, remove it. Don’t try to make it “work” less destructively. Pontificating about the future is just mental masturbation. It allows despots and people that shouldn’t be given a public forum to engage in stoking fear and… Read more »
The reason “conservatism” failed is the same reason “liberalism” failed: They start from false premises. All modern political theory comes from two guys: Thomas Hobbes and Karl Marx. Marx would go into one of his trademark murderous rages if you showed him how his Science of History has been perverted into “everything is a social construction” (Marx was the original I Fucking Love Science ™ guy), but it’s obvious how it happened, and how it flows logically — no quotation marks — from his premises. Hobbes is a different story, but his premises are equally flawed. Hobbes gave us the… Read more »
If I set my clock to 1651, then I’m going to meet Machiavelli instead of Hobbes. Guy behind the guy, as they used to say. Also, Hobbes does say in Leviathan that the state of nature exists in North America: “It may peradventure be thought, there was never such a time, nor condition of warre as this; and I believe it was never generally so, over all the world: but there are many places, where they live so now. For the savage people in many places of America, except the government of small Families, the concord whereof dependeth on naturall… Read more »
Ol’ Hobbes apparently ignored the Great League of the Haudenosenee, the Iroquois Confederacy, who had a functional government both internally and externally. The “state of nature” did not exist in North America either. Every single French, Dutch, or English official in America who did diplomacy with the Haudenosnee would have flat out told Hobbes he was wrong, but Hobbes never went to America to see for himself. There’s a reason that the People of the Longhouse still live where they did 1,000 years ago, and the Delaware and Shawnee and Cherokee live in Oklahoma today. “It would be a very… Read more »
Hobbes was joking. He was himself an investor in the Virginia Company.
If you set your clock to the 2020’s, and you follow the I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE crowd, you’ll probably encounter Bill Nye the Science Guy, lecturing us that race is all about the sun’s rays and nothing more! What a dingbat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zHWk0LlBIo
He could have lived a comfortable life living off the happy nostalgia of now adults who loved his show as children. Instead, he became a regime clown.
I’ll never forget a Reddit AMA, of all things, that just mercilessly pummeled him what what he had become. Even the hard left is turned off by him.
The future consists of a mandate of righteousness. Refusal of righteousness is variation in self destruction even as a nation state. “Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.” Proverbs 14: 34 The United States is vastly demonstrating self destruction through sin. Gigantic degeneracy has overwhelmed a once godly people. “Conservatism” cannot replace Christian morality and the ever greater demand of it that technology amplification brings upon us. The hoofbeats are now ICBMs, biowarfare labs, cognitive warfare and food as a weapon strategies. So… you want to play endless ‘conservative’ pinball wizard while drifting away from… Read more »
Some extremely Christ-like, moral, and good people have had absolute success turning a well ordered city and state full of typically competent and reliable Scandinavian descendants into a rapidly declining 3rd world shithole. Sorry Christcuck, but what passes for Christianity today is largely weak tea and needs to be completely thrown away in 90% of cases. Minnesota is now Somalia and Minneapolis is now Mogadishu. This was all done by some very moral and well meaning Christcucks like yourself. Please explain to a heathen like myself how this comports with maintaining civilization? The Christianity of Old built Europe & western… Read more »
I wouldn’t say Christianity is weak per se, more that the institutions of Christianity saw which way the wind was blowing and followed power towards the left a la “every institution not explicitly right wing eventually becomes left wing activism”.
Better to rule ten billion Africans in hell than to serve ten whites in heaven I suppose.
If those 5000 black Zimbabweans were real Christians – ie Bible following, Holy Spirit led, then they would support the maintenance of all God’s boundaries – including racial ones. They also would face up to their own sin and not project it onto Whites. They also would be so concerned for their own race and nation’s salvation, that they would return to Zimbabwe to improve their own people. This goes for all Christians of whatever race – so if they do none of these things and push for “rainbow” nations – they are clearly false Christians. Unfortunately the majority of… Read more »
Tough call – the Zimbabweans might be more morally compatible in some respects, although the Icelandic heathen worshippers would have more biologically desirable mates from my perspective at least. So you are looking at a biological v. moral trade off. Some game changers: Can I convert the heathen (at least the one I would marry)? Do the Zimbabweans include former Rhodesians?
Theoretical Zimbabweans versus real life Scandinavians, plus:
You can change a goddess of Thule’s religion, but you can’t make a Ubangi a goddess.
Ask DeNiro about his kids.
The O.J. trial was a televised performance piece as much as the Chauvin one. A big show in other words. No different than the current J6 performance. They pull these off to stoke the divide and carry on the continual subjugation of White folk to their desegregation project. It’s their hammer, to bludgeon any solidarity and identity from White Americans. Sadly, so many lap it up as real. The OJ Trial was all one giant contradiction from them removing the grand jury for excessive media coverage, which would be against California’s own statute, as first degree murder charges must be… Read more »
You are clearly not a California attorney and display a woeful ignorance of criminal procedure. 1. I, in my former career, and many other deputy district attorneys routinely try first degree murder cases. The only counties where this is not the case are the two or three of the 58 that are so small that the elected DA has no deluties. 2. Trials are a matter of public records, and the minute order kept by the court clerk memorializes who the attorneys of record are for any particular case. While it would be tedious, it would be a trivial matter… Read more »
I appreciate your response but don’t understand the snarky put down at the end. It leads me to believe your a pompous ass, but regardless, and again, I appreciate your response. 1) I am glad you informed me that deputy DA’s do prosecute 1st degree murders, however, you neglect to counter my point being why in the HELL would they allow one to prosecute a case with this magnitude? Where was Gil Garcetti? If this was as real as they implied, it would have been icing on the cake for a glory hound like him. I’m simply asking the question.… Read more »
Why are you citing to a federal rule if the trial was in state court?
“The website of the California courts says an experimental rule was adopted in 1984 allowing broadcast of court proceedings, but again they don’t say who adopted this rule and by what statutory method. And conveniently the bill search at http://www.legislature.ca.gov only goes back to 1993.”
States generally follow federal guidelines. I’m asking the question when did California change it, and where is the record.
That would almost certainly be a judicial counsel Supreme Court thing, not legislature.
Cre and FRE are generally the same. There might be a few differences in hearsay exceptions or such. Usdc and sup ct are fairly similar on procedural stuff.
Every courthouse, Fed or state, i have been in within CA (that I can recall) has an order posted forbidding any recording, photography, etc. Most courts have such a rule, in my experience.
I honestly neither want to go too hard on these old men sporting their Members’ Only jackets nor do I want to even think about them very much. They’ll fail either way, and make sure to ignore or expel anyone who’s not onboard with the continued project of being a Beautiful Loser, so what’s the point? A little bit of analysis from Z and then moving on sounds about right. Regarding not going hard on these guys, it’s important to remember that, as mentioned, they are like battered wives and so one should probably feel more pity than hate for… Read more »
Very well said. Hopefully it’s also becoming apparent that they can’t actually run or produce anything of value.
The challenge is how to harness that 70% with the vast array of forces working to channel it against its own interests.
Semi-OT, but I often find the most insightful material from old lefties. I’ve recommended Tragedy and Hope before. Maybe it’s passe, maybe everybody’s read it, idk, but I think it’s an indispensable book, not for the secret history of a secret society, but for its simple, lucid telling of world history in economic and sociological terms. I think it’s especially useful for people like the DR, who are dealing with a right that’s stuck in ideology and the blank slate, and being written by an old lefty, it’s not woke, although you often see the seeds of woke in high… Read more »
The crux of Z’s argument is this: one cannot be on the Right in any meaningful sense if one is not a race realist. That is absolutely correct. Acknowledging the irreducible difference of race and its sociopolitical significance is the sine qua non of any Right offering another option from the Left. If, on the other hand, we procede from the postulate that race is a pernicious social construct or that it is real yet inconsequential, we must conclude that the obvious difference in outcomes for the different races spring from invidious forces such as racism. In this schema, those… Read more »
Race is the foundation. If you get that wrong, such as believing there are no racial differences, then everything else that follows will be wrong. That’s why it’s so important to be on the side of reality.
For a good example of the point you make— that there will be no end to the increasingly-radical interventions aimed at “achieving equity”— just look at California: For the last 40+ years, they’ve poured *billions* of dollars into efforts to “close the Black-White performance gap”. They’ve tried every conceivable program: Black teachers, Black textbooks, Black tutors, Black posters in the classrooms, Headstart programs, school breakfast programs, school lunch programs, programs to get Black parents involved, eliminating standardized tests and honors classes, eliminating requirements (like turning work in on time) seen as favoring Whites….. And the result? NOTHING has worked! The… Read more »
I understand similar things, including grading, and penalizing absence and disruption of class, are being jettisoned in the Chicago public schools for the very same reason. If blacks cannot live according to the standards of civilization, then civilization must go.
(Jesse Jackson and a mob of Stanford students bellowed as much back in the 80s. “Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Western civ has got to go!” The Hutus are so charming when they make their crude efforts at poetry.)
Honors classes and advanced placement classes are being eliminated in schools all across the country. It’s not just in urban jungles like Chicago.
Albert Schweitzer explained the situation to us decades ago.
If only we’d listened.
They could have simply left that part out, you know. It’s tacked on at the end without any particular reason, except that they accept the morality of the left.
Here’s a principle that I would like to see become a lodestar for the dissident community. I would like to see a world in which the fat, good-for-nothing, parasitic, grifting, backstabbing, fake, squishy, oily, preening, self-absorbed, shit-stain disease cells just quietly begin to disappear without much notice and in novel ways that remain obscure and unexpected. And after a few years of this, everyone notices that the species has rebounded with epidemic sanity and renewed robustness in the absence of this scourge. No species can long survive when the majority of its DNA heritage is pathological. Or, we could just… Read more »
“just quietly begin to disappear”
Yet they are the most privileged people in our society.
It’s like when my conservative friends think that they have crafted a brilliant compromise for the tranny athlete problem by saying they should have their own categories in the sporting events. My reply to them, which they hate, “You are trying to negotiate with them. They are trying to destroy you.”
“You are trying to negotiate with them. They are trying to destroy you” Indeed! You’re trying to ‘win an argument’ or ‘convince your opponent’; while they’re looking to destroy the very ground you’re standing on, and you with it. And as Z-man has pointed out, in the very act of engaging with them— whether you realize it or not— you’re tacitly acknowledging the validity of their viewpoint. You’ve come onto the ground *they’ve* chosen, in order to do battle with them; failing to realize that by doing so, you’re affirming their definition of things; and that when you’ve done that,… Read more »
“You are trying to negotiate with them. They are trying to destroy you.”
The left is just entropy. Arguing with or even hating entropy is pointless as if you could take a piece of poop and yell at it until it turns back into a hamburger.
The only way to deal with entropy is to expel the waste and keep pumping energy into an ordered system.
I nominate this comment for the Nobel Prize in literature.
“You are trying to negotiate with them. They are trying to destroy you.” That sums up Bill Buckley National Review “conservatism” in two short sentences.
I don’t disagree: arguing with Progs is a waste of time.
However, there’s another battle going on: for the hearts and minds of upcoming generations. Ultimately, the direction America goes in will be determined by what future generations believe.
So to the extent that arguing with Lefty means exposing young people to the right ideas, it makes no difference whether or not Lefty gets it.
SADS, my man, SADS.
The phed-poasting is strong with this one.
Said the Fed tasked with monitoring my posts.
These guys think they’re George Kennan and it’s still 1947. My God the utter cluelessness to reality. This is science fiction-tier fantasy. The US is turning into French Guyana and they’re talking about arming the world.
This, a million times.
I am beyond tired of hearing the world + dog’s, “Arsenal of Democracy, ” fantasies.
The US has not had that kind of top to bottom industrial capacity coupled with the political will behind it since the late 60s/early 70s.
“2. Rejection of Imperialism and Globalism. We support a system of free cooperation and competition among nation-states, working together through trade treaties, defensive alliances, and other common projects that respect the independence of their members.”
So… reject globalism by creating global networks of trade pacts and military alliances.
Clownworld.
Now that the left has kicked color-blindness to the curb, conservatives are going all in on it. Even Tucker Carlson is constantly referring to race as “skin color.” The left has decided that not seeing color is itself racist, since Whites have to acknowledge their own racism, and aren’t allowed to ignore race, according to them. The left wants to make everything seen through the lens of race. Conservatives see this as an opportunity to differentiate themselves from the racially-conscious left. They can shout “Dems are the real racists,” and virtue-signal about how “we’re all one race, the human race”… Read more »
Right: the notion that “colorblindness” is a good thing is based on a fundamental misconception: the erroneous idea that “race is only skin deep”.
Once you realize that group racial differences are real, and consequential, then colorblindness ceases to be a virtue.
It becomes clear that ignoring the reality of racial differences can get you killed.
I still read Buchanan and listen to Gottfried, the destruction of these mens influence in conservatism was shameful.
Whatever our movement becomes and how ever it progresses from here we must constantly be aware of the tactics that our enemies might use.
The positive thing that is happening in this century is that normie out there is not quite as trusting of the GOP establishment nor the media that supports it.
You’re right. These guys are Twitterlitterati compared to intellectual heavyweights like Gottfried and Buchanan. Not that there’s anything necessarily wrong with coming from the academic/bureaucrat class (until lately, that is…), but seriously, this posse has two foreigners and zero first-hand experience with the American working class. Again, not that they are outright hostile against the working class like that NR psycho Williamson, nor are they as phoney as JD Vance. But is it too much to ask that our inteligentsia have some association with the men and women for whom these ideas are supposed to defend? This group could just… Read more »
“It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre” – Enoch Powell
The pyre is finished its just about who has the matches from here on in.
ZMan:…”A nation is a people, not a collection of abstract concepts. Within a nation there can be a fair degree of variances, but relative to other people the differences are tiny from the perspective of outsiders”…
Therein lies the fault line between the National Conservative manifesto and the Dissident Right.
Also, it would appear point 11 of the NC manifesto was omitted: We believe you should vote harder in the future.
How exactly does one vote harder? Do you press the button with more force?
Is it accurate to suggest that— however much truth its principles may otherwise contain— a movement can (and will) be brought down, by the presence among its beliefs of even one blatant falsehood? > And that for conservatism in America, that fatal falsehood is the belief in, and embrace and defense of, radical egalitarianism? And that once the central premise of egalitarianism is granted— once conservatives have accepted the notion that all races are essentially alike in their endowments and capabilities— *then the eventual demise of the entire conservative project is inevitable*? Because once it’s assumed that all people-groups are… Read more »
Once conservatives embraced egalitarianism, their eventual fate was a foregone conclusion:
Divorcing themselves from fundamental biological reality by denying inherent human differences, ensured that so many of their beliefs and positions— regarding sex and male-female relations, race, relations with other nations— would be wrong.
And how could a movement which was wrong about the essential
fundamentals ever hope to endure?
Maybe you are correct. I think that, had they simply allowed the right of free association, it would have been the kind of hypocrisy that helps. Yes, yes, there are some who are still benighted and choose not to associate with the Black man- we, of course would be happy to commune with such men, if any could be found who qualify (on the merits, you see, on their own merits) for admittance to our club. Sadly…
Right: like so many things, ‘affirmative action’ sounded reasonable when first introduced: ‘let’s do everything possible to give Blacks the chance to perform at White levels. We’ll ‘level the playing field’, to make sure everyone is getting equal treatment. And when a Black and a White are performing at equal levels, we’ll agree to pick the Black.’ Was it ever that way? Or has affirmative action always been what it is now: rather than raising Black performance so they can compete with Whites, lowering standards until Blacks can pass them. In the name of ‘equity’, discriminating against Whites, with lower… Read more »
Correct, real Bill. When you fail to achieve equality despite numerous programs and money invested in the project, what’s left is to eliminate the standards set up by (White) society. After that, I think we all know what they might like to eliminate next….
I hope Paul Gottfried responds to this. Of the names I recognize, Julie Kelly is the only real surprise. She has been good on defending the January 6th protesters. I wonder what she is thinking throwing in with this group.
From what I gather, there is some sort of schism in the Claremont world. One camp is open to rethinking conservatism, to a point, while the other side is ordering new powdered wigs. The former group, the people behind that TAC post, are a little bit open to right-wing ideas, but very hesitantly.
I’m sure they’ll sort out their schism in about 10 years, by which time there won’t be anything left to conserve. We talk; They Act. Until that changes, there is little hope.
So, does a nation that should be able to control its borders for the benefit of its own people be able to exclude whomever they wish? If country X doesn’t want, say Africans, just to pick a totally random people out of a hat, is that ok? Or is it now racist, because they are excluding based on looks, or intelligence (lack thereof actually) or culture? I mean if we’re all equal in the eyes of God, how can any country truly be able to control who lives there? The idea of freedom of association was done away with decades… Read more »
I wonder if they really believe it. If they do, they simply have not been exposed to the Urban Ape. If not, it’s more insidious, and they are misleading others into believing something that isn’t true.
The reality is that, with regards to the Sainted Negro, they, like every other race, can be charted on a bell curve. Most are in the middle, and are violent and dangerous. Guys like Ben Carson or Thomas Sowell are WAY on the right, outliers.
Apparently, reality isn’t a “thing” anymore. That is, until it carjacks your ride and shoots you in the head.
I think Dems/liberals understand race biology more than Repubs/normies. Look at how they live. They are simply and ruthlessly exploiting anti-biology for personal political benefit. It’s why they have no true problem embracing former outright racists like a Biden or Byrd, as long as they play along with the strategy.
I mean if we’re all equal in the eyes of God
Equal in God’s eyes for God’s purposes. Unequal in man’s eyes for man’s purposes. Just ask the (((chosen))).
Reminds me of those signs “In God we trust. All others pay cash.”
Remember, Hillsdale went all in on the covid scam. There’s not much of a difference fundamentally between them and any other random institute of higher learning.
Non-white countries can exclude anyone they want. For example if China is full of Chinese or Eritrea is 100% Eritrean, no one is going to raise an eyebrow.
But if white countries try to exclude anyone at all…”Oy vey! It’s anudda shoah!”
Forgot how bad The American Conservative’s comment section was. What a train wreck. A bunch of leftist and moderate midwits thinking they’re owning the right.
That really is a dumpster fire. I noticed that the few remaining NRO readers are also well to the left. The weird part is the commenters are well to the left of the writers, who are left-of-center for the most part.
There are leftists who appear to spend most of their day commenting at a website called “The American Conservative.” I have seen people ask them, why are you here, they don’t have a good answer. They are also publishing columns by Peter Van Buren, who just wrote this column on how the Democrats can win his vote back. Buchanan should make a public statement against the magazine and ask them to no longer run his column.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/wish-list-of-a-swing-voter/
It was Rod Dreher who attracted all the lefties. He had a serious case of TDS and attracted the lunatics. TAC had some good conservative commenters but they gave up once the flying monkeys took up roost.
I’ll admit I don’t know much about Buckley biography, so I read the Wiki page. It’s quite an eye-opener. Yale, Skull and Bones, CIA. This doesn’t make him an evil person, but isn’t it more than just a little bit likely that he was one of many paid influencers during the Cold War? People forget just how deep is the influence of the Deep State, and it goes back generations.
Controlled opposition. Sounds about right. Is anything legitimate anymore?
plus he was a closeted homo and a huge A-hole.
Yoram Hazony, who seems to lack even a high school level understanding of human biology.
What is a white man?
I don’t know, I’m not a biologist.
I’ll take a wild guess.
The best thing to be on planet earth?
There is no upgrade to White
give the abject and comprehensive failure of conservatism, from its very inception, why is it worthy of discussion? why should we care about the bugmen at NR and their fantasy manifesto? i have turned my back to conservatism (and conservatives) and am focusing my attention on the new society that is emerging from the ruins of AINO.
I agree with the sentiment, but the new society is going to require a lot of converts.
The converts will come via sky high gas prices and sexual perverts being forced on our kids, not through some high-faluting prick in a bow tie and trendy glasses lecturing them about what Bill Buckley or Russell Kirk would have done.
DLS: I’d rather live in a small, rump society of genuine hard right racial realists than one filled with lukewarm converts of convenience who can never truly be trusted.
Me too, 3g4me. I guess the trick is not so much gaining a lot of converts, but moving a critical mass just far enough that we are left the hell alone. Like Putin, we need our own neutral Ukraine as a buffer from GAY (Global American Yiddishville).
Like Putin you are going to need nukes to enforce your own boundaries, otherwise its Gadaffi time.
Likewise with the sentiment, but their readers comprise a not insignificant portion of the populace that is most likely to come around to our side. It’s not the writers we should care about, but their audience. Same sentiment with Hannity types. But if he is a gateway to Tucker who is gateway to the DR, we should care.
“For starters, they would be puzzled as to why such a thing was even necessary in 2022.” Conservatives, being almost entirely white, the ethnic group with the least ethnocentrism, could not imagine the power of fundamental tribalism over all other groups on the planet. Consequently, they were unable to foresee how unappealing their race blind civic nationalism is to almost everyone. Even minorities that espouse conservative platitudes rejoiced when OJ is acquitted and when Obama was elected. Further, the blank slate egalitarianism, promoted but not believed by those who run our media, caused them to assume that all races were… Read more »
They also fail to appreciate that they are defeated. The man or woman who lives in comfortable surroundings and only has the rudeness of formerly subject others to deal with doesn’t yet appreciate the magnitude of their fall. Our society is filled with people who still think they are kings (privileged) and won’t feel threatened until it’s their house burned, their kid terrorized, their community destroyed.
For those that do believe, I think they sustain this misconception because of contact with the odd specimen that is intelligent, law-abiding and diligent. Problem is, they extrapolate that specimen to the rest, and fail to look at averages or typicality.
I think it was DeMaistre that said if something needs to be written down, it shows the nation’s decline is almost complete. Beforehand, what it was to be an American wasn’t something you needed to write down, since it was known implicitly. Overall, the document would not be that bad and most ion our side would nod along with most of it. Unfortunately, it contains the poison pills of its own undoing, and not really hidden in any way. Race: We condemn the use of state and private institutions to discriminate and divide us against one another on the basis… Read more »
At this point even the most well-intentioned ‘conservatives’ are merely running against the wind.
“Was there a horrible calamity that derailed conservatives and sent the nation reeling into authoritarian degeneracy? Did the Left stage a revolt and seize the country by force? Did we lose the Cold War?”
Yes (the Bush Family)
Yes
Yes
I really like Z’s phrase ‘authoritarian degeneracy’. It’s the best label I have seen for what we are being subjected to. Our rulers remind me of a punt returner who has nothing in front of him for 50 yards to the goal line. Our only hope – and it is not unrealistic – is that the returner starts doing a victory dance ten yards from the goal, and either fumbles the ball or is tackled through inattention to pursuing defenders. NB: Yes, for those here with long memories, I am thinking of the Leon Lett fiasco toward the end of… Read more »
It wasn’t the 1992 Super Bowl, it was Thanksgiving 1993.
No, it was the Super Bowl. The Cowboys won 52-17, and could of won 59-17 except Lett celebrated his fumble return for a touchdown too early, and it was either Steve Tasker or Don Beebe who tracked him down, tackled him, and forced a TO. Not that it mattered to the outcome, but it was a moment of pride for a defeated team.
If memory serves, that Thanksgiving game the following year was won by the Bills. Hell, I have to check it out.
It was Beebe. When you watch a compilation of “early celebrations” in football, a very distinct trend emerges regarding the hue of those players doing the show boating and those who see the play through.
Yup, Super Bowl, the second one the Bills lost to Dallas and their fourth in a row. Beebe caught up to him just before the goal line and knocked it out of his hands for a touchback. Respect for doing this in a blowout game, and shame on Lett for showboating.