Arguably, one of the most important political concepts to come out of the 20th century was James Burnham’s theory of managerialism. It is important mostly because it is a set of accurate observations that allow for a further understanding of what is happening in Western societies since the Second World War. Once you understand that our society is organized like a corporation, with senior management and a large layer of middle-management, things make much more sense.
The trouble is most people do not want to see this. Instead, they indulge in reductionist theories about secret cabals manipulating the system. Others pretend that the system is what is advertised and you just have to vote harder. Still others insist we have drifted into something randomly called socialist, Marxist or communist, not because the system possesses these qualities, but because those words are epithets. Despite being incredibly useful, the concept is hardly used.
One reason for this is the managerial class controls access to that which has value in modern society. If you want your ideas to get heard, you must pass muster with the people who keep the gates of the system. Just as in a corporation, you are not going to get to speak your mind around the bosses if they are not going to like what you have to say about them. Management always gets conservative about its position within the organization which means it is naturally defensive.
Another reason this idea languishes on the fringe is that most political commentary comes from mediocrities excluded from the elite track. The commentariat is populated with people unqualified to run a hotdog stand. As you see in the dreaded private sector, middle-management tends to be a cheering section in this system. Unlike a private company, the managerial class never has to worry about making a profit, so the cheering section can be stuffed to the gills.
There is also the fact that the commentariat is devoid of people who have experience in the dreaded private sector. Someone like Sohrab Ahmari struggles to understand managerialism because he never read the source material and he has no idea what goes on inside a company. He cannot see the parallels between the corporation and the corporate state. It is extremely hard to use a concept when you do not understand it and lack the capacity to comprehend it.
Interestingly, the people at the top of the managerial class and especially those seeking to reach the top are ignorant of the concept. They have achieved class consciousness to the extent that they naturally identify with the others in their class. They mark themselves with their dress, their language and political beliefs. The latter jumps out at the lower ranks where they tend to embrace the most extreme versions of elite opinion as a way to gain attention from the bosses.
The idea that animates the people in the system comes from Gramsci. They seek to control the centers of cultural production and they are aware of it. They want to control official truth in all areas of society. They do not see themselves as controlling access to and the benefits that are derived from property, capital or information, even though that is exactly what they are doing. Controlling institutions is about controlling access to what is valuable within the domain of the institution.
This means the managerial class has achieved class consciousness, in that they consciously identify with those in their class. They see themselves as distinct from the rest of society. On the other hand, they suffer from false consciousness in that they think they are motivated by altruistic reasons, like the spread of liberal democracy, individual freedom and equality. In reality, these social causes are a defense mechanism to protect their power over society.
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This Week’s Show
Contents
- Background
- The Terms
- Marxism
- Burnham’s Innovation
- Managers
- The Managerial Class
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You tried to kill the Jews. Dummies. Jews can’t be killed. Not all of them. Now they’re killing you and you can’t handle it. That’s why you’re all here. Typing away like neurotic lost-cause secretaries of the realm. Hitler’s lost-cause bitches. Your little brother beat you up and you can’t get over it. You had your chance in 1940 and blew it. Cry cry cry .
Good ol’ Frip!
Worse, brah. They told us the plan, and we ignored it.
The people are the body of a church. Likewise, they are the body of a nation.
The Antichrist arrived, and seated his throne in Jerusalem, to rule the world with the false peace, as he said he would do.
The Antichrist arrived in 1948.
The nation of Israel is the Antichrist.
Very informative podcast this on Managerialism. It’s nice to register a return to one high-brow theme in place of the lighter commentary on deranged press articles – although very funny indeed – of the past few weeks. I have to find Burnham’s book. I read this in the introductory piece though: Once you understand that our society is organized like a corporation, with senior management and a large layer of middle-management, things make much more sense. The trouble is most people do not want to see this. Instead, they indulge in reductionist theories about secret cabals manipulating the system. I… Read more »
I mean, is the acknowledgement of the extent Managerialism able to reveal the hierarchy within the Elites?
Should be
I mean, is the acknowledgement of the extent Managerialism has spread across society able to reveal the hierarchy within the Elites?
What’s being manigerialized in the YUK is the cops, they ain’t copping no-one. The cars batteries run out.
https://www.westernjournal.com/electric-police-cars-running-juice-way-rural-emergencies/
“I am down to six miles of battery on the Tesla, so I may lose it here in a sec,” he radioed at the time. “If someone else is able, can they maneuver into the number one spot?”
The suspect being chased got away,
No shit Sherlock.
This is in a Country of 1200 sq miles: area if a square 35 x 35 miles.
County not country.
Heavy acceleration is a great way to rapidly run down the charge on EV batteries.
Rapidly pulling all that current out of the cells is a great way to set oneself up for overheating issues. Trying to shove chage back into the cells can produce similar effects.
The opening music is redolent of Firing Line. But Buckley never lived up to the genius of the Brandenburg Concertos and should have opened his weekly talkshow with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0&list=PLyN0GYQy_cl-4bxf6AbEJvs1ahNcdsrPQ
Weekend Whitepill #1: Due to spiraling youth unemployment, the Chicoms are literally telling their college grads to go forth to smaller cities and rural areas and decentralize: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/china/unemployment-growing-among-chinese-youth/ That is a remarkable directive from a group that are arguably the #1 statists and centralizers on the planet. It also flies in the face of the globalists’ Agenda 2030/Smart Cities goals. Weekend Whitepill #2: Elon has forced Twitter to admit that their account review process has no automation, AI, or machine learning, just some humans randomly sampling 100 accounts per day: https://nypost.com/2022/07/15/elon-musk-responds-to-meritless-twitter-suit-says-he-wants-to-push-trial-back-to-2023/ So, it is abundantly clear that Twitter has been… Read more »
Z: “Arguably, one of the most important political concepts to come out of the 20th century was James Burnham’s theory of managerialism.” You often see this error in ranking talk. “Arguably” is needed if you’re saying something was at the very top. E.g. “THE best” or “THE most influential”. Or you specify the number of top spots, e.g. “Top 3 of all time.” But when you say “One of the most”, you’re giving the subject enough breadth that there’s no argument. No knowledgeable person would disagree. Incorrect: “Star Wars was arguably one of the most influential movies of the 70’s.”… Read more »
Downvote for writing nonsense that has no relevance to the thread
What we’re trying to do here is understand society in order to change it. So far the focus has been on identifying the locus of power, which is not necessarily the elected leaders. Allow me to summarise what I see as the general picture, which is certainly influenced by this site, but I think is significantly different. For want of an outright dictator, power is generally seen as concentrated in the covert machinations of a disparate collection of individuals, ruled by intellect, and vaguely but nor formally connected through ideology (called around here the elites or the Cloud people). I’ve… Read more »
I agree that effective leaders exist in all societies and all eras, and the ideal is that these men will eventually rise to the top. In the hunter-gatherer tribes of old, this was the model because everyone in the tribe knew everyone else and when something “worked” it was immediately obvious to all. But then civilization happened and things got muddy. A good king was often succeeded by a derelict son because the “system” did not allow for the highly competent peasant to rise up. Today, things are much worse. Our political system is now geared to promote corrupt showmen… Read more »
well thought out but you miss two points. the middle classes emotions are controlled by the 6 hours a day of media they consume . one picture of a drowned child caused every woman and simp man in Germany to weep uncontrollable and demand that Merkle open the borders to Europe . which they happily did . the media play the emotions of the masses like a violin . that’s why there are no videos available on YouTube of the hundreds of burning and semi roasted people jumping off the twin towers in agony to end their suffering . I… Read more »
The middle classes […] are also the ideology factory ruled by their emotions
Even though it sounds very sweeping, the above quote may very well be true. After all, the mere suggestion -as it is divulged by media- that agreeing to patriotic opinions or to anything Donald Trump says associates you with the dregs of society, is enough to achieve complete mental control of these people. I remember what it was like.
“today’s article is much nearer the practical nub of the power-flux issue than I have seen before (which tended to obsess about the elites).”
Totally agree. I would that the Zman do more, a lot more, in this vein.
His strengths really shine here.
This one lit my happy ass right up! Excellent.
I think this may be a great illustration of Zman’s point:
“”An official at the FDA put it this way: “I can’t tell you how many people at the FDA have told me, ‘I don’t like any of this, but I just need to make it to my retirement.’”
Without the order followers, the ticket takers, and the soul sellers, the cabal could never have brought their plans into fruition as far as they have.”
Do you think the assholes saying that realize they are allowing/perpetrating mass murder?
They scrupulously avoid that line of thought. They are orobably capable of drawing the syllogisms, but weakness intercedes. I watch enough “true crime” productions to know that this is all too common a course of action, whether from fear, or from some concern for the well being of themselves, or that of those who rely upon the individual in question. It is tempting to cast all of the blame on the individual, but the systems within which they must move, and over whose course they functionally cannot exert any influence, can instill a sort of learned helplessness. And that is… Read more »
That should be “probably”, and “matrix”, of course.
Their current internal dialog is trying to rationalize away their complicity in mass murder and crimes against humanity.
“It’s not like I pulled the trigger!”
“I was just following orders!”
Uh huh.
I got news for you overeducated motherfuckers. You’re witnessing a genocide. Right in front of you, but you can’t see it. Sad shit, right there.
Yeah, but it’s the other guy.
Guess everyone thinks their gonna be one of the 500,000,000 allowed to live by the people perpetrating said genocide.
Dennis , you are correct . the WEF wants a very small number of easily managed peasants . If you read the book or revelation in the bible about the end times , it will make your hair stand up it is crazy accurate description of what is going on.
I think that the managerial state with the associated banksters grew so large and resentful of having to share the goods from the capitol that they regulated that they began to meet and discuss what to do about the great unwashed. I believe they probably got to gather and said to one another “now that we have automation and AI, why dont we get rid of all those useless eaters taking so much of OUR stuff to keep going? “. after decades of planning , I think they finally decided to implement their plan. I’d guess they would meet at… Read more »
All of the mid 20th century ideologies – socialism, communism, fascism – are not accurate comparisons of what the so-called “elites” are trying to create for us. Of all of these comparisons, Mussolini fascism is probably the closest analog. But even it is not a good analogy. Managerialism is probably the best description of the current system and I consider Robert McNamara to be one of early creators of it. We had the managerial state in the 1950’s and 1960’s, which began to break down in the early 1970’s. It was largely discredited by the time Reagan came into office.… Read more »
I’d take another embarrassment like Vietnam over bellbottoms, TBO.
A pair of well-fitted Angel Flights? Ohhh yeah. Bring ’em back, along with muscle cars, Aerosmith concerts, and the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Streaking! Every halftime was waiting for the streaker!
I wouldn’t rule out bell bottoms. I see a lot more women and girls wearing those thick soled sandal type shoes that were popular with gals back in the 70’s. Also making a seeming comeback are the old canvas style Keds that were staple footwear when i was a kid…
Well I think TPTB have another ‘Nam repeat on deck, embassy rooftop evacuation and all.
Didn’t we just do that?
Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria
And now Ukraine.
Told yesterday get shit togeather
Standing up an FRA
Doing it again.
If only I still believed.
X is not only more complex than we understand
X is more complex than we can understand
Haldane
Thinking back, when Ray Manzarak joined Exene, John Doe, DJ Bonebrake, and Billy Zoom on stage, that was peak rock and roll. Los Angeles has to be one of the most in-your-face songs ever recorded.
All these years reading your comments and I never knew you were a boomer. Sad!
“Peak rock” happened somewhere nobody noticed, while a band that would never be famous played to an empty bar in full daylight.
It probably happened in the mid ’90s.
Not a boomer. Gen X. We are legion. Grunge killed rock, along with Rrrriot Grrrrls
Peak rock and disco was 1978. Best year in music.
Uh, GenX is much smaller than the Boomers or Millennials.
The grunge scene had extremely strict self-limitations built into it from day one. They were always going to sell out after a few years of success.
Neil Young’s [asshole, but musically…..] Rust Never Sleeps, cf. Powderfinger, was the fin de siècle dirge
of the Rock era.
I find it interesting how back in the day – you had people like Gene Kelly or Jim Garner who supported liberal causes – but still seemed like normal all american guys. Did the left lose its ability to self discipline?
That what happened with the “managerial class ” after Second World War is simply bound to happen. Its natural result of the. winning side of this war .It was inevitable. Every other explanation is nothing but a pointless babble. If you want different results, you must have taken the opposite side in the Second World War.
Results would have been bad regardless of who won WW2, just in different ways. I would argue that truly the wrong side truly lost WW1. If the central powers win WW1, WW2 almost certainly never happens. Tens of millions of Europeans never get slaughtered and we see more robust populations today. The Germans don’t go stark raving mad with guilt. Perhaps Europe doesn’t import tens of millions of refugees. Maybe the US never becomes the world’s sole super power with the ability to export its corrupt globalism.
Don’t you realise that Usa fight on the side of Stalin and Mao in Second World War?? Do you know who this two represent ?? Comintern .Do you know what that mean .Communist International. Usa fight on their side in the most important war in last 200 years after Napoleon wars and you are asking yourself questions like “what happened with our Christian European civilization may happen anyway. Not.. It happened because of our wrong choice. The greatest blunder ever in the history of Christian nations in last 1700 years .Constantin made Eastern Roman empire Christian in 325 .That started… Read more »
Sorry General Patton .For misspelling YOUR NAME .IT BOTHERS ME .
Another great podcast. Educational, enlightening, and esoteric knowledge of which I was substantially unaware. But now what? Of what use is this unique knowledge? Do we really have the luxury of absorbing some random arcane history just for general interest? Are we supposed to use this newfound information in yet another attempt at persuading others to reacquire sanity. Does this knowledge inspire innovative thinking that may lead to a novel remedy? When the house is on fire, does a lecture on fire prevention have any immediate value? As the spring winds tighter, and the economy/inflation turns the screw, methinks people… Read more »
I don’t think there is a solution. As many have said, including Machiavelli, every society is cyclical regardless of its system of government. For some time it is virile and achieves peace and prosperity through strength, then those goods weaken the society and it declines. You are here. All we can do is observe and prepare. And record for posterity, I suppose. Things won’t get better until they get bad enough to make the poz untenable. Think about it this way: how would anyone have fixed Rome circa 350? It was too far gone. Human affairs are like a force… Read more »
This may be true, and if so, then the personal goal for each of us should then be to go out like a gladiator in the ring. Fight it out with all your heart and soul, and let the chips fall where they may. Die with a sword in your hand knowing that you gave all you had to give and let that example be your legacy. The famous motto . . . “Today is a good day to die” . . . spoken with pride and a stiff back, should be your last words. We stand on the shoulders… Read more »
Boots on
In a pile of hot brass.
Sorry, but depending on circumstances, that’s just insane suicidal talk. Should the last of the Trojans have just stood their ground and been slaughtered after the Greeks breached the walls? Or was Aeneas right to lead survivors to found a new settlement? The new world was filled with groups forced out of the Europe in the early colonial days. Joseph Cotto recently wrote a book about the Huguenots doing exactly that in Florida, and talked on Greg Hood’s podcast about how this could serve as a template for dissidents in the current age.
The valorous die but one death, the coward dies a thousand. You sure you want to pass on those genes to your offspring, assuming any woman would willingly mate with you.
Great rational retort. The stupid don’t pass on their genes either.
To what extent extent is “managerialism” just another obscurant word. Or put it another way to what extent is managerialism itself the problem and to what extent is it really women, j-ws, female j-ws, homos, j-w homos etc. There’s definitely a comorbidity here.
I tend to fall on the side of not finding all of this durable enough to warrant a precise and lasting definition. So I think you and I are in agreement in not wanting to make too big a deal on the terminology. And for me it’s obvious that the managerial state came into being because of surplus wealth. No surplus wealth, no managerial state. So I see it as more of a sorry effect of things rather than a cause of things. If money is tight and controlled you don’t get these kinds of managerial state problems. You have… Read more »
1000%, Falcone.
I used to blame the overpopulation and pollution (same thing) spilling over our borders on white success- we gave the wogs plastic trash that they were not prepared, mentally, to handle.
But no. The excesses of corporatism are solely due to the inflationary effects of imaginary money.
It no longer reflects weight or worth; it fuels ruinous expansion breaking natural limits.
The fiat is the sugar feeding the cancer.
No war loans, no global wars, no global piracy, no druglord dollars. No corporatism or Green New Deal.
Well, women and other (((immigrants))) have been in America since the early 18th but Managerialism has only really taken off in the last eighty years, so it should be pretty obvious which variable is the one most on play.
A bit of crow and its aquired taste, but I was hastily dismissive and rude to Le Comte, D. Heretic, and Outdoorspro yesterday. Wrong tone, wrong approach, I regret it and apologize.
Re JFK Jr., he probably flew home nearly every day; knowing the lethal history of all things Clinton, I don’t think his crash was merely a connivance.
I think it was a statement, a message.
The Kennedy dynasty was finished, and with it, the last shreds of the old American system. Nothing but raw power and no-holds-barred grudge matches by gauche criminals left.
Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, the list is long, are formulaic:
“Oh No! Look at what they are doing Now!”
“They” can be Liberals, Luciferins, mangers, something unidentified so it can’t be combated.
The thing is presented as fate accompli. Thus it is gets accepted as irredeemable.
The audience just gets another load of emotion, that sinking feeling, well it’s too late now, nothing we can do, we’ve lost again.
But see here, there are real people doing real things. They can be combated. Bad doings are reversible.
We can act to our own good outcomes. .
Take the beatings until the other guy gets exhausted. Wouldn’t want to be evil, like THEM, right?
The beatings will continue until morale improves, and morale is so low right now everything is backwards. Can hardly blame people for expecting to lose, or trying to make losing out to be a path to victory, but it’s still frustrating, hard to take, and hard to not mock.
Mocking and its cousins irony and critique, are potent as a Saxon sword. They have to be used consciously. One has to wield the pen without becoming tattooed. Yes? The ironybro is a given up pose, which is to be rejected. Strengthen useful meaning-frames for us; destroy enemy meaning-frames. The enemy seeks to wrap their meaning frame upon us, we reject that. We establish own beneficial frame as the superior overarching frame. Optimism is a force multiplier. We do have winning options. By keeping that in mind we are more likely to execute upon those and to conceive of even… Read more »
“The enemy cooked up the winning by losing plan. They themselves pursue the winning is winning plan.”
Why I was ambivalent about accelerationism. Losing is losing, but it does eventually light a fire under self-respecting people. Hard to watch, though.
Agreed on all points.
The managerial class has made the US one of the most unproductive places in the world. The managers all live off of us and what is left of our productivity and what is left of the wealth we once possessed. I don’t think it is a coincidence that the American managerial revolution really got started as America began to wind down as an industrial and economic powerhouse. I was born into a world where Americans had, by a very large margin, the highest standard of living in the world. In every way that could be measured, Americans were far better… Read more »
Part 2 is the smoldering ruins of that once great country
We are living it now
I think Part 3 is what is going to mean something and that is years out
I used to not want to die for reasons as simple as I didn’t want to miss out on what great technological achievements were going to come, flying cars, visiting other planets. Now I am more bothered that I may. It get to see western civilization reclaim its greatness. Part 3.
The robotic space exploration technology is actually pretty impressive, the problem is that its overshadowed by all the other technology developed that just makes everyone miserable: smartphones, ubiquitous spy cameras, and man-made viruses.
Yes to your observations.
People talk about loafers on relief, but there are no more effective scammers than bureaucratic scammers, and no more pernicious parasites to be observed; they constantly contrive to sustain, nay, intensify the freeloading through surreptitious apologia for their fecklessness and waste.
That chinese-made clothing supply chain example is only possible because our tax dollars subsidize the whole agreement. Products would never travel around the world safely and cheaply without our tax payer funded US navy guarding all the trade routes for free. If china was required to protect the trade routes themselves, the products would be too expensive. We’re 30 trillion in debt partially because it was cheaper to use china.
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Zman, how could you betray your Nazis?!
Both heads of my double-headed eagle hang in shame!!
Okay, the double eagle is Polish, but still…
Quite intriguing, really. I’d like to see more of this expanded on by both the Z and Captain Willard. I like the idea that even conspiratorial cabals and cartels are more ruled by their own structure than rulers of it.
That would make them predictable.
Perhaps…exploitable. Can we use that to better the interests of white people?
Alzaebo: “I like the idea that even conspiratorial cabals and cartels are more ruled by their own structure than rulers of it.” You simply cannot begin to understand “managerialism” without acknowledging the underlying psychological engine which is Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder. PAPD is the meta-sociological cancer of end stage civilizations. PAPD destroys everything in its path. All you can hope to do is to stay out of its path, and watch it self-immolate from afar. And woe be unto the ostensible Free-Thinker who believes anything constructive can come from standing athwart history and yelling, “Stop!”, at the Passive Aggressive Industrial… Read more »
The double-headed eagle is Byzantine/Austrian/Russian. The Polish and German eagles have one head.
One thing I constantly see in my corner of the world is the utter cultural ignorance of the PMC. I feel like I see the same thing in Brandon’s treatment of and trip to Saudi. Americans have this very snarky, sarcastic, even snotty way of speaking to each other. They also have an expectation the other party will ignore or even return insults in kind. Most of the rest of the world does not communicate in this fashion. Especially Gulf Arab cultures like the Saudis. On top of that, the GAE PMC is constantly hectoring the Saudis about going green… Read more »
I’ve been hearing the term “brics” being thrown around again lately. People seem to forget the B is Brazil, the I is India and the S is South Africa. Russia and China are the only real powers in this BRICS thing. Yes, Russia and China are formidable powers, but that’s it. India has an average IQ in the low 80s. it’s a 3rd world country. South Africa is, well, South Africa aspiring to be a 3rd world country and Brazil is a Latin American 3rd world country. China and India don’t even like each other and each would be happy… Read more »
BRICS will be commodities based. Those players have tons of that and will thus dictate to much of the world the price and so forth. That’s the power of that confederation. Now sure, you will need white people to turn those commodities into something people want, inventions, etc. but they might have all of us over a barrel. And they will be getting richer and richer while we get poorer. At some point the IQ line intersects with the productivity/ROI line and if the lines start altering you could find that a 95 IQ is sufficient to generate significant ROI… Read more »
Brilliant insight there, Falcone, although it might as well be etched in stone. When high IQ individuals cannot accept reality, two things happen: IQ drops while reality stays. To borrow from Z, reality is the one thing that does not go away when you stop believing in it. I once made the category error of thinking the fantastical beliefs of the intelligentsia were formulated and pressed as a control mechanism. That may have been the motive way back but for a long time those beliefs have been seriously held. Even more than the transgender psychosis, the belief that product magically… Read more »
India has its own home designed and produced jet aircraft fighter. They produced atomic weapons and a missile delivery system. They build and run nuclear power plants. They did that on an 80 IQ population? Well yes, sort of. India a huge, but not homogeneous population. Really, Indian is a country of many populations. Reich identifies 5 major ones and discusses even more importantly, India’s caste system. The higher castes, e.g., Brahmins sit on top of the heap (with a couple of others) and there are millions of those folk—all with high IQ’s comparatively. They compose what may be termed… Read more »
if you have a 1.4 bil population , the 7 sigma above the mean super genius population is still huge .
brasil is a 2nd world country.
Karl, you’re too kind here. Hell, Brazil couldn’t even maintain their newly built Olympic pools for the duration of the games.
yes, but in a 3rd world country the pools would have had crocs in them!
Tars- You make many good points. I would only add that, based on what they are doing, the countries under discussion are moving to position themselves ahead of a petrodollar collapse. The other key motivator, beyond exchanging real commodities for nothing, were the openly piratical actions of the US’ seizure of Russian assets in response to the Ukraine invasion. The high level of global trust in the USD was a priceless asset, perhaps the most priceless asset any nation has ever held. Tossing that trust aside like a piece of litter will prove to be one of history’s most foolish… Read more »
Saudi Arabia, Turkey and one other just announced that they want to join BRICS+
And just to rub it in Saudi did it while Biden was visiting.
@ CrispyCreme I appreciate your tenacity, but they are in fact exceptions. You say no one cares about the governor of Wyoming? Or that he is on par in importance and influence with the CEO of an insurance company? I find that preposterous on its face. For one is raw power. A governor can marshal forces such as the guard and police agencies. He can veto legislation that affects everyone in the state. The residents of Wyoming care about him far more than people care about the CEO of a company. They go out of their way and arrange their… Read more »
Answer: E. All of the above.
I hope Zman will review the “public choice” economists’ commentary on managerialism. These Economists, led by James Buchanan, explained this gov’t managerial-class/”agency effect” stuff very well. Their work was at first hotly debated. My professor/advisor derisively joked with me the week Buchanan announced he was leaving our university : “Buchanan thinks he’ll win the Nobel Prize some day for this stuff, hahahaha”. So this conversation has been going on a long time (40+ years). In contrast with public choice economics, the idea of emergent, rent-seeking behavior in private managerial classes was never controversial and was discussed widely by the mid-80s;… Read more »
This is good information. The problem with this discussion is how many wings/variants of the managerial class there are. They are not all equivalent. The cultural wing is its own topic. In my experience, the HR people have been granted their authority by the more technocratic wing. That is true in my experience where the HR commisar(s) have been given license by the business managers who don’t have the intellectual means nor the sense of self to tell those people to pound sand. It is poorly formed men in dereliction of their duty. That these are men is dubious. Between… Read more »
OT:
Anybody heard any updates on when Bidump is ending the mandatory science juice jab for foreigners to enter the US? I can get into Mexico, EU, UK, Venezuela, Cuba, and Russia with no jab, but not the land of the free.
The border guards are generally not asking about vax status at the land borders but it’s too much of a question mark to try it right now.
We will know when and if Novak is allowed into the US to play at the Open It’s embarrassing how ridiculous this country has become. And the land of the free no less. Glad to hear the French government vetoed Macron wanting to impose the Vaxx mandate on anyone entering the country. But my understanding is that I would not be allowed into Canada without Vaxx proof. LA county is maybe going to reimpose the mask mandate. Like it’s going to be more effective than the juice which even Fauci admits is weak protection, if any at all, Ok so… Read more »
Yes, vax mandate is still in place for foreigners to enter Canada. Everyone also has to fill a tracking app with phone number including citizens. Unvaxxed citizens coming back in still need to test and quarantine. It’s a disaster and tourism is hurting on both sides but especially on our side. Seems to be the goal though based on how our governments are acting. 10 Kansas city Royals players are skipping this upcoming series with the Blue Jays since they can’t cross (or don’t feel like dealing with the paperwork). It seems like a giveaway that they are going to… Read more »
Sounds almost like you are required to have a smart phone ? Carry it with you at all times like a drivers license? I have a smart phone and a flip phone. I don’t think the flip phone could many of the apps but ATT just made my first obsolete because it wouldn’t work with 4g so it just stopped working with no explanation or forewarning. So had to buy new one and deal with the ATT store where some black lady was screaming at the staff lol. They way the manager handled her was pretty good though, she was… Read more »
The only thing wrong with this story is that the black woman did not beat the White enabler until she pissed blood. Sex and violence are the only thing Karen understands and she doesn’t get laid often.
On July 3rd my son and I flew from Dixie back to my place of origin; Los Angeles. My mother and my brother and his family still live there. When it came time to buy tickets back in June, I looked at the LAX rubrics on Covid prevention and I realized that the airport authorities had the authority to take us, upon entering the airport, and sling us into a Covid hotel if they thought we looked feverish or sick or if we popped positive on one of their silly Covid tests. That’s too big a risk, so I decided… Read more »
NEVER! clearly there is a reason all the WEF controlled countries like canada and the USA are still mandating the military , health employees , any foreign travelers get their genetics modified . given that it doesn’t prevent the disease , prevent the spread , or match the current variation at All , they must have a really sinister reason for doing this. God knows what it will do to people after 4 or 6 years. but it is clearly something . my guess is sterilization for population control. but thats just a guess based on recent data that says… Read more »
Great explanation of the managerial estate.
Barnum understood the science and nature of power. He wrote:
“No theory, no promises, no morality, no amount of good will, no religion will restrain power. Neither priests nor soldiers, neither labor leaders nor businessmen, neither bureaucrats nor feudal lords will differ from each other in the basic use which they will seek to make of power.”
Nothing will ever prevent them from taking everything from the dirt people.
Except the ruler of another nation. Eat bugs, use the pronouns, live in the pod is not an inspiring way of projecting military power. This is the barren emptiness of the Managerial Class.
No one will fight and die for the Colors of Benetton. They will for Mother Russia and China.
If the regime manages to land us in a two or three front WW3 and tries to stage a draft to get bodies in the field, we are going to witness heretofore unseen levels of hilarity.
Time to get long popcorn futures!
Good point.
And all the major American corporations will be far too busy conducting racial equity audits until the very end.
“They mark themselves with their dress, their language and political beliefs. The latter jumps out at the lower ranks where they tend to embrace the most extreme versions of elite opinion as a way to gain attention from the bosses.” Something similar occurs in academia. Specifically, professors at South Alabama and the University of Idaho see their colleagues at Harvard and Princeton claiming trannies deserve preferential treatment, and they respond by declaring that Plato, Aristotle, Mozart, Tolstoy, Copernicus and Einstein were trannies, and that earth’s survival depends upon imprisoning all and sundry who deny the central role trannies played in… Read more »
See Falcone’s anecdote above about the black woman who turned on her White Karen enabler. The Ivies will do the same to the podunk schools that try to move the Overton Window leftward without their permission. Legacy status and gate keeping are all the Ivies have left since quality and originality have been deemed too White, and no South Alabama is going to encroach on that turf.
“The trouble is most people do not want to see this. Instead, they indulge in reductionist theories about secret cabals manipulating the system.” It’s because I DO see this that I know there is a deep state. Because the country is a just a soulless corporation, I know that the trapping of so-called democracy, like elections and public representatives are total kabuki theater. There is a clearly a permanent unelected who own chokepoints of society. Again Z-man, I question your credibility as I question how you can possibly deny a deep state “cabal” or believe Biden got 80 million votes.… Read more »
I wonder if we could meet Z Man half way and ask him if the managerial state and the deep state are the same. Why not?
You must be new around here, as Z has a pretty lengthy track record of claiming that and explaining how Biden stole the election. He’s also been pretty consistent about saying there is a group of people that put against the common good. That they can be named and easily identified pretty much disproves the bottom that said group is shadowy or secret
When Sailer demands of commenters that they state exactly who’s making Biden’s decisions for him (and then ignores whatever they say in response), I understand him. He’s signaling allegiance to the overclass idea men he imagines are out there jotting down Sailerisms to smuggle reworded into a Times column next year. (Sailer’s the only real example I’ve ever seen of Vox Day’s “secret king” type.) Sailer’s demand that we name names is purest who/whom: “Name the winner, loser.” I don’t understand Z’s cabal/emergent distinction. The cabal is emergent. Great Sam Hyde quote: “Civilization isn’t dying. It’s being killed by people… Read more »
Great comment.
“The Biden admin doesn’t call itself WestExec, therefore Joe isn’t non compos mentis. Justin Trudeau is a cat lady masturbation fantasy who can’t name a single academic economist, so the WEF can’t do anything. Etc., Q.E.D.”
It’s a negative form of epistemic closure and thus quite real and quite destructive: Justin knows X and Justin doesn’t know Y, hence Z is impossible.
David Rockefeller founds and funds the Trilateral Commission in 1973. Zbigniew Brzezinski, Trilateral member and international affairs specialist becomes national Security Advisor for President Jimmy Carter 1977. Russia invades Afghanistan 1979. Carter bans wheat sales to Russia1980. Russia turns to South America for their wheat, where Rockefeller interests have become the largest landowners. U.S. farmers angry, Russia not injured. Rockefeller interests rewarded.
Tell me again about “…indulging in theories about secret cabals manipulating the system”.
Boy, that David Rockefeller was one farsighted dude. Perhaps he had supernatural powers.
you don’t have to be clairvoyant to see a future your money is creating
I really appreciate your writing and your commentary in your podcasts. Today’s essay wasn’t your best work. For this topic, you need specific examples to back up the claim, or it is very hard to follow. One of the reasons is that these cultural pathologies have a different purpose and meaning and motivation for all of the participants. When a society offshores most of its productive activity, and imports labor en masse for the manual, entry level physical labor it is left with little to manage. I think the rise of the bureaucracy, the managerial state/class if you will, was… Read more »
I take the part about confusion about rights and virtues back.
There are those who are very clear about what rights are and what virtues are. We are in the minority. The rest are certain about what rights are and what virtues are. However, their certainty is based on a deep ignorance and a craven immorality. Moralizing is not being moral – it is morality’s very opposite. I see it in the teenagers raised in the Clouds on a daily basis.
an idle mind is the devil’s playground-
any discussion about this subject is incomplete without mentioning the role of government (i.e. public) schools in producing a corporate ready populace…
C’mon man, if you’re going to open with the old “Firing Line” music, at least you’ve got to do the whole podcast in an affected Knickerbocker accent.
And mention “Yale” every few moments.
I thought that was the “Of Cabbages and Kings” intro.
It was sort of perfect that Buckley used NPR music as his intro. Nice creases, that man.
That theme was the beginning of the third movement from the Brandenburg Concerto #2 by J.S. Bach, and a sparkling performance, too. Bach composed 6 concerti as a job application to some nobleman. Not only did he not get a job from that jumped up ass, but there is no evidence that these works were ever performed during his lifetime, but the manuscripts were preserved. Let’s give a shout out to librarians. As with most of Bach’s works, it was likely composed “ad gloriam Dei”, to the glory of God, whether he wrote it on the title page of the… Read more »
I just don’t see it. What we are witnessing in the west is way bigger and more sinister than what you get in large corporations where the mediocrities have pushed out the competent and the founders have long since checked out. Only way you can make the analogy work would be if every director of a giant corporation had secretly shorted the stock, and held blackmail over all the C-level execs to get them to slowly but deliberately drive the company to bankruptcy. It doesn’t matter if they are called “cabal”, “cathedral”, “globalists”, “communists”, “oligarchs”, or “juice”, it is self-evident… Read more »
well, not only ‘christian’ economies are being destroyed. china, japan, sri lanka, et als are not christian…
Because that’s the real meaning of “trickle down.”
If they can take the top, that is, us, the rest down stand a chance. Easy pickings.
don’t stand a chance
This is true. But who’s to say a corporation cannot be evil when its controllers have adopted an evil ideology? Now I am not entirely persuaded by the managerialist argument, but it seems to me that the organizational dynamic is far less important than the ideology which animates it. Whether it is a corporation, a Power Structure, or a Deep State is rather immaterial. The important thing is that, whatever the nature of the structure, it has adopted postmodern theory and used it to justify malignant anti-white racism. Now it is too late to destroy the organization (whatever its form)… Read more »
Also strikes me as being organized like the Catholic Church Pope = president College of cardinals = Senate / congress Archbishop = governor Priest = mayor Altar boys, choir, etc = political volunteers Flock = voters One issue I have with the corporation analogy, and I think it’s important, is that no one slobbers over or worships a CEO, they are often shuffled in and out, and they rarely have much lasting importance to the organization. I say this as the son of a former president and CEO where the board of directors are all that mattered and the ceo… Read more »
>no one slobbers over or worships a CEO
Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, even Bill Gates in the 90s or Donald Trump long before he was president. I am sure there are many more.
I’m so old, I remember when Lee Iacocca was treated like a freaking rock star.
Exception that proves the rule
Not really exceptions
The high profile corporations have well known leaders just like the big important governments have well know leaders.
Nobody cares about the CEO of some insurance company just like nobody cares about the governor of Wyoming or the mayor of outer podunk.
Yeah, but you gotta balance the Ford Mustang, Mercury Cougar, Lincoln Mark III, Mercury Marquis, Dodge Daytona, Chrysler Minivans, and LeBaron convertibles with the Ford Granada, Lincoln Versailles, K-Cars going on waaaaaaay too long, and the Dodge Dynasty/New Yorker Landau. 😏
Ooh, Baby, let me enjoy those rich Corinthian leathers!
Soft porn came to auto ads with Ricardo Montalban and then we drove to hell with a handbasket in the trunk. 😉
Jack Walsh!
Al “Chainsaw” Dunlap!
Tom Peters!
Rosabeth Moss Canter!
Richard Branson!
Come pray at our feet…we’re a broad church.
I’m so old I remember when Cornelius Vanderbilt was simply the bee’s knees.
Would you like us to get off your lawn, or do you want to shake your cane at us whipper-snappers?
They were founders / inventors not ceos
Like comparing Orville wright to the ceo of delta
There’s probably some parallel with the normie-con worship of the Founders + Lincoln (second founding) and their relative lack of interest in those who followed.
Elon Musk didn’t found Tesla.
Yep, Bill Gates in particular. Before the Internet, MS had a subscription service for MS product line support where they’d send you cd’s with FAQ’s, new versions of software, patches, tools, documentation, and whatnot. The first cd on the monthly set was devoted to *Bill Gates*—his musings on all things technical and political. Nothing to do with MS product maintenance, just Bill’s prognostications on the *future* and world events as he saw them. Some of these musings were quite staged, where he’d have a flunky employee “interview” him and ask obviously pre-planned questions. Gate’s “worship” was obvious and sickening. Every… Read more »
Ok, yeah, if you really think comparing Gates as CEO to a POTUS makes for a very strong analogy, be my guest
I think you guys are grasping for straws
I’m not comparing Gates to POTUS—only commenting on a type of “hero worship” we have seen during the dot com revolution. These CEO/Founders (IMO) got high on their own supply and began to pontificate in fields outside of their expertise. That coupled with the largest repository of wealth historically in private hands—theirs—is the cause of a myriad of problems and a reduction in the freedoms and liberties once enjoyed in this nation.
A materialistic society will worship the greatest producers of material.
our society is organized like a corporation, with senior management and a large layer of middle-management, Or is it the other way around, the corporate organization being patterned after society? Couldn’t the corporate leaders be considered descendants of tribal chiefs or feudal lords and their henchmen the predecessors of the numerous vice-presidents and executive assistants? Since no individual, not even John D. Rockefeller or Andrew Carnegie, can become wealthy solely through his own personal actions, the corporate/capitalist scheme involves senior management whose primary role is financial innovation, the accumulation of investment funds from others. The real work is done by… Read more »
Where the analogy begins to wobble a little is that in 99% of the cases the CEO is a nobody, and Corporations are run by committee, the board of directors. Even if the government is also run by committee, the POTUS gets far more reverence and gets the worship treatment by thousands, whereas the CEO is lucky if he has five guys in the entire organization he can trust. And it takes enormous skill in elevating them into positions to further on and expand his governance and influence in the organization. Most of the time they are blocked by rivals… Read more »
Corporations have had an agency problem* forever. Governments have their own version of that agency problem*.
* Agency problem, where one person acts for another, making decisions, commitments or similar that impact that other person or persons. See shareholder, constituent.
Fair enough, but I think the corporation analogy is somewhat superficial in that the hierarchy tree of government and corporation might look similar, but then so does pretty much any organization’s tree look similar because that is just the nature of things. That’s the entire meaning of the ancient pyramids and a reflection of the natural order. Very few if not one special soul at the top and tons of average people at the bottom. I remember in college that some leftist at the time was snarkingly going on about how rockets look like a male member, as if we… Read more »
“If I am not for myself, who will be for me?”
I’ve been reading a book of published 18 speeches put out by antelope hill recently. Mr funny mustache actually states that one of the several reasons the flag he designed had a large red field incorporated into it was to attract volks with communist leanings to his thing. Maybe we should incorporate a bull with a nose ring into ours if that day arrives for the obvious reasons.
I noticed years ago in my organization that our processes were becoming more important than our products. I figured if we kept on this trajectory we would eventually reach a point where our processes would simply become our products. Then I learned about Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy.
Your points here and elsewhere about the “managerial class” tie in well with my own observations… and Pournelle’s!
Keep up the god work.
Ah, “in any organization most people reach their level of mediocrity and remain there.” I had a poster of “Murphy’s Law(s)” with that on it.
And while we might also say you ARE doing “God’s” work, do keep up the “good” work at least in the meantime! I love it when I try to carefully check my spelling and grammar and then come back and see I slammed myself once again!
You could say that Managerialism is the synthesis (in the Hegelian sense) of capitalism and socialism, as it builds on the “industrial management” aspect of both, but is neither wholly competitive and private nor wholly cooperative and public. Because the manager class is incompetent, and not too sharp, it has basically succeeded in giving the proletariat the worst of each system. The system could be fixed by an influx of talent, but human nature being what it is, incompetent people who have been promoted beyond the skill set will resist demotion no matter how deserving they may be. This is… Read more »
I suppose it’s a form of regimentalization similar to the military officer corps (or most national militaries I guess) where demotion effectively can’t exist. Usually an officer’s trajectory is either upward or resignation, the odd transfer to a “lower” position that’s more lateral to the rank rather than outright demotion. Though I did know of a few light colonels who screwed up somewhere, couldn’t get their bird, resigned, then went into the National Guard to become warrant officers.
Yes. And with respect to government the canard was always “Well, if you don’t like how their doing, throw the bums out.” But our electoral system has become so unreliable that it no longer seems possible to fire a bum via the voting box. Bad politicians, and their bad policies and poor execution, must now be suffered like an infestation of cockroaches. At some point, the problem becomes more than just an annoyance. Shortly thereafter the tools of the exterminator are sought and employed. Call me a Boomer, but I cling to the idea that even grillers will reach a… Read more »
Even if you throw the bums out, the replacements are also bums. The only people who can get “elected” in AINO are bad people, and it is the stupid masses who are doing the “electing.” That’s democracy for you.
Maus: “Call me a Boomer, but I cling to the idea that even grillers will reach a point where they realize that we don’t eat bugs, we kill them.”
Ostei Kozelskii: “The only people who can get “elected” in AINO are bad people, and it is the stupid masses who are doing the “electing.” That’s democracy for you.”
Ergo stalinism.
This is now almost forgotten, but I wonder if it can be applied to society as a whole: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/
His book, “Be Slightly Evil,” is also quite good.