Never Trust A Neocon

One of the great tricks of the neoconservatives was to reshape opposition to radical causes into support for their own radical projects. In the early days, this allowed normal people to strongly oppose limits on corporate power, in the name of fighting the communist threat from the Soviets. Alternatively, working class people could support the military industrial complex as their patriotic duty. Their own interests and genuine opposition to the Left was always secondary.

After the Cold War, this game rapidly evolved so that so-called conservatives supported a massive expansion of government, as well as a massive expansion of foreign policy entanglements, all in the name of freedom. Most conservative people assumed the end of the Cold War meant America could go back to being a normal country again, but those feelings were quickly channeled into new causes. The old tricksters were up to their old tricks, turning virtues into vices.

This is why conservatism never conserved anything. In the Reagan years, the conservatives were too busy fighting the Soviets to roll back the cultural revolution or clean up the welfare state. In the Bush years they were too busy spreading freedom and smart bombs to address domestic concerns. Despite promising to promote conservative causes, conservatives instead found some war to fight. Meanwhile, the bad guys got to run riot in the culture.

You can see the same game emerging with the war against Russia. The deception here is another version of the big lie. This time the villain is Putin, who for no reason at all, attacked Ukraine. All that opposition to perverts in sundresses and bigots spewing antiwhite propaganda in the classroom is being channeled into opposing Putin in order to defend our democracy. Normal people are supposed to be mad at Putin rather than the sorry state of their own country and its leaders.

You see how this works in this Victor Davis Hanson post. The goal of the post is to divert opposition to the regime’s foreign policy into a Republican brand of the same policies toward Russia. You see, the reason that dude in a dress is chasing your daughter around the classroom is Obama was soft on Russia. Biden is following the same policies, which is why things are so bad. He uses some form the word “appeasement” nine times, because, you know.

Of course, the column is also an attempt to whitewash the neoconservative involvement in the current crisis. You see, it is not the people who started this war with Russia who are to blame for the fallout. No, it is some guy off stage who is turned into the Emmanuel Goldstein of this show. He is the one who set the wheels in motion and all the people currently running foreign policy, all members of the same Trotsky cult, coincidentally enough, are just victims like you.

The truth is this war has its roots much further back than Obama. If you want to point to an incident as a starting place, it would be American involvement in the Balkan war during the Clinton years. American support for Kosovo against Serbia was the start of a new conflict with Russia. At the time, it was viewed in Moscow as a deliberate offense to the Russians. In the years that followed, this affair has become a warning for the Russians about what Washington plans for them.

There are other capers that could be a starting point. Washington supporting Georgia against South Ossetia in the Bush years is a good example. The neocons wanted to add Georgia to NATO. The Russians made clear that they saw this as a provocation, as well as another broken promise. Washington had promised Moscow after the fall of the Soviet Union that NATO would not expand to the Russian border. In other words, the neocons have been at this for a long time.

Of course, one does not have to go back that far to see the grimy fingerprints of the Trotskyites in the current crisis. Victoria Nuland, who is running Russia policy for Biden, was the person running Ukraine policy for Obama. She was right there on the ground when Washington overthrew the Ukrainian government in 2014. She is pals with Ihor Kolomoyskyi, the Ukrainian oligarch who backed Zelensky. The point is this is another neocon war that runs against American interests.

It also needs to be pointed out that Hanson supported all of the neocon misadventures going back to the Clinton years. He wanted Clinton to take an even tougher stance in the Balkan conflict. You will note that the neocons used the same language against Clinton as they are using now against Biden. He was not tough enough against this new Hitler from the hinterlands. Hanson, of course, supported the Bush wars. He also supported the Georgia – South Ossetia caper.

The point of Hanson’s post is to make sure no one turns over any of these rocks with regards to the neocons and Russia policy. Instead, the game is to channel general opposition to the Biden administration into an even more deranged hatred of Russia and Vladimir Putin. All your troubles will go away conservatives, if you just hate the Russians more and vote harder this November. It is a clever trick that works on a gullible but trusting population.

This is why foreign policy must become a litmus test. There are no American interests in the Ukraine, South Ossetia or Tajikistan. Not only does meddling in these areas invite trouble, but it also diverts attention from important matters. Building superhighways in Afghanistan did not shorten a single commute in America. “Standing with Ukraine” does not stop the flood of invaders over the southern border. What these foreign adventures do is divert attention from America’s real problems.

Given that all of these foreign escapades over the last thirty years trace back to the same Trotsky cult, the real litmus test is neoconservatism. Back before most people were born, they hollowed out conservatism and have used to as a Trojan horse to trick decent people into supporting that which is against their interests. A genuine conservative policy with regards to Russia would oppose Biden for meddling in the affairs of Russia, not demand more meddling.


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Patrick McNally
Patrick McNally
1 year ago

This is again overloaded with bizarre references to Trotsky. There were a few, about 4, early neoconservatives who had some temporary links with Trotskyist organizations (without joining the party). Bill King lays out the exact details of that here:

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0304/0304neocontrotp1.htm

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0304/0304neocontrotp2.htm

None of the policies advocated by neoconservatives for the last 50+ years have had anything to do with Trotskyism. In particular, Trotsky’s thesis that WWII was an inter-imperialist war was totally rejected by neoconservatives. This is just a worn out paleocon trope of referring to neocons as “Trotskyist.”

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Patrick McNally
1 year ago

Laughable. I’ve read it has since been hidden, but COMMENTARY magazine’s office featured a huge bust of Leon Trotsky. Judeo-Bolshevik filth always comprised the bulk of neoconservatism, which along with Zionism is the biggest force for mass murder in recent years.

Ronehjr
Ronehjr
Reply to  Patrick McNally
1 year ago

Fine. Just call them jews then.

tashtego
Member
Reply to  Patrick McNally
1 year ago

“There were a few, about 4, early neoconservatives who had some temporary links with Trotskyist organizations (without joining the party). ”

Just the tip!

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
1 year ago
manc
manc
Reply to  Puszczyk
1 year ago

I read that Sec of State Blinken brings up LGBTlookatme rights every time he meets with the Saudis, which must confuse the hell out of them. Isn’t a form of cultural imperialism to assume that our perversions/obsessions are global and must be imposed on everyone else? I know its been stated numerous times but for Christ’s sake can’t we just leave people alone?

Thinker
Thinker
Reply to  Puszczyk
1 year ago

Probably because Biden is destroying the existing world order, and they understand that it is not good. Trump tried to create peace through trade. Biden is a puppet, being used to destroy America, and the Saudis would very likely rather be aligned with the United States than Russia, but Biden is not leaving them much of a choice.

Robert
Robert
1 year ago

They figured out they could misdirect the natural loyalty and nationalism of conservatives away from American interests and into their various projects a couple of generations ago. They destroyed authentic conservatives and replaced them with mouthpieces like Victor Davis Hanson. It’s fascinating that so many have connections to crooked billionaires. They really are acting like a mafia group. Except they’re worse than the mafia. The mafia was happy for society as a whole to thrive so they could make money off of it. But these trotskyites want to destroy our civilization. It’s fascinating that so many of the crooked “Ukrainian”… Read more »

Whiskey
Whiskey
1 year ago

I read the article also, and found it both appalling and ignorant of all the elemental facts and current geo-politics. But if I want to be as charitable as possible I would then say that Hanson hopes a renewed, loonnngggg Cold War with Russia and China will put an end to the White bashing and anti-White animus as Whites as the warrior and engineer caste will be needed. I also shared that hope, but I have concluded that hope was false and destructive based upon the behavior not just of the current Regime but others in Europe also. In a… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Whiskey
1 year ago

Heh. Big, bad radio station (((KFI))) almost lost it calling out La Putina.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Whiskey
1 year ago

That is an interesting thesis about VDH wanting a new cold war as a means to promote white male interests. If that is true, than it is a very passive aggressive approach, and it won’t help us in the long run. The days of passive aggressive, if that theory of VDH’s hidden motive is true, people and political indirection are over. War is openly declared on us now. A new breed of white men must emerge onto the political stage. Instead of building stage one weapons systems for Israel and fighting and dying for every crooked foreign shyster and despot,… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

Victor Davis Hanson is a joke, another old guy pining for the days of Reagan. Our enemy is the American Deep State and he refuses to see that.

Vxxc
Vxxc
1 year ago

Never trust a neocon, trust a neocon before a Greek and a Greek before a Siciliano.

Was that how it goes?

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Vxxc
1 year ago

You have the descending levels of trust out of order. Greek, then Siciliano, and at the bottom, neocon.

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  Vxxc
1 year ago

Only beware of Greeks bearing gifts

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Vxxc
1 year ago

I thought it was “never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line”

slumlord
slumlord
1 year ago

Ortho-connery is not the solution to Neoconnery.

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  slumlord
1 year ago

What you need Is Sean Connery. Not Lazenby. And definitely not the latest guy.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Whiskey
1 year ago

Multiple warheads took out the blond, blue-eyed latest guy. Is somebody sending a message?

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  slumlord
1 year ago

Sean Connery can be a solution to neoconnery

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Greek
1 year ago

Wait, didn’t some wicked wit just mention the gift of a Trojan Horse?

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
1 year ago

” […] I’m from Denmark and up until Kosovo, my country had not been at war since 1864, not unless you count the German occupation in WWII. Since Kosovo, we’ve been involved in five aggressive wars – Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.”

Fra Danmark lyner Tordenskjold;
hver give sig i himlens vold
hver give sig i himlens vold
og fly!

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

Makes sense as a setup up for, “Hillary’s War,” after installation by Dominion in 2016.

trumpton
trumpton
1 year ago

O/T – although related to the never trust bit. I am not sure how many people caught the interview with Jean Lassalle (French MP and previous presidential candidate – albeit with only 3% of the vote) about his own heart issue following the vex that no one wanted to hear about and his assertion Macron and quite a few of the French govt are not vaccinated “I got vaccinated because I didn’t want to leave the feeling that I was not doing my job as a deputy. I didn’t know that Emmanuel Macron was not vaccinated and neither were most… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  trumpton
1 year ago

I bet the people in the club don’t even need a fake jab card.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

The deception here is another version of the big lie.
I think I’ve figured out why your talk with Greg Hood went into the AmRen black hole…
I think JT’s strategy is the correct take over the short-term, but over the long term the whole “discussing *that* is irrelevant which is why we’re going to completely ignore it” contradiction gets tiresome. Like I told one of the commenters here, it’s like discussing the NBA while doing your level best to never notice or mention that black people play it.

RabbiHighComma
RabbiHighComma
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

I’ve listened to quite a few of Hood’s podcasts. He’s a serious thinker, which makes me wonder why he would put up with Amren’s (((topic))) blackout. It may have just been the best job he could find as a dissident intellectual. It gets humorous when he discusses how person x refuses to acknowledge a topic. Surely he’s intelligent enough to be struck by his own hypocrisy. Taylor’s strategy made sense in the 90s when he was being invited on mainstream news/CSPAN, but now? What possible point does it serve?

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  RabbiHighComma
1 year ago

Nothing turns off normies faster than working The Chosen in to a race realism discussion and Taylor is trying to be an on-ramp of choice for normies testing the waters of racial self-consciousness. I don’t fault him for keeping a tightly focused marketing plan, just that I wish Hood would pass the interview back to Z so that he could post it.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

I’ve always wondered if the chosen intentionally get unstable celebrities to spout off about them for the express purpose of cementing the idea in the public that antisemitism is just something for crazy people. Mel Gibson says nothing about them until he’s in a drunken stupor and looks like a fool. Kanye’s Jew tweets are going to be written off as him having a bipolar episode. At the youtube tier, Owen Benjamin acts like a maniac and goes on grabbler rants. At no point is anyone ever exposed to a sober-minded discussion of the problems associated with having a hostile… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

The clarity and cadence of Taylor’s voice signal antisemitism/etc. to anyone who’s seen a movie with English-speaking Nazis, the Amerikadeutscher Bund, right-wing radio, white South Africans, “old money” WASPs, or a fancy country club in it.

He’s *literally* a model for those villains. No normie will ever get past the image of him that’s already been put in their minds.

Gilbert Pinefeld
Gilbert Pinefeld
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

The arguments in favor of anti-Semitic canards are inherently weak. Jews, as a historical “middleman minority”, are overrepresented in all upper/middle class/professional organizations regardless of political alignment or lack thereof (including anti-immigration and paleoconservative groups), affluent liberal Jews are largely indifferent to Jewish identity and have extremely high intermarriage rates, affluent liberal non-Jews are socially indistinguishable from their Jewish neighbors, coworkers, and spouses. You people think there’s this byzantine conspiracy of Murrays and Iras who all been to each other’s kid’s bar mitzvahs and are working together on 100-year plots to destroy to West and further their genetic line. In… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Gilbert Pinefeld
1 year ago

“affluent liberal Jews are largely indifferent to Jewish identity”

They crawl out of the woodwork whenever Israel is at issue (see the Hollywood Left rallying for the Iron Dome). I guess you have a similar comment with a little rephrasing to post to leftwing sites that also have awakened to the actual threat to mankind.

Sorry, the goys aren’t about to die anymore for your anti-White racist ethnostate. That’s over.

Ronehjr
Ronehjr
Reply to  RabbiHighComma
1 year ago

Amren is making itself irrelevant regarding pro-White politics by dealing with Paul Gottfried.and Amy Wax, who are obviously brilliant thinkers, but not explicitly on our side for obvious reasons. Greg Hood knows better, and while I wish him well, will also make himself irrelevant or worse

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  RabbiHighComma
1 year ago

RabbiHighComma: Hood may be a serious thinker, but signing on with Amren means more than just one major topic blackout. One of the reasons I was banned from Amren was for noting that their regular Saturday post “How I Became a Race Realist” featured an endless procession of blacks, orientals, and juice posing as anti-anti-White. Taylor is pushing his own inversion of Sailer’s citizenism – where ‘based’ people of all hues can be White adjacent and White allies. Yeah, I’m going to get the usual downvotes and “What’s my solution” response, all forms of strawman attacks. I’m not publicly posting… Read more »

RabbiHighComma
RabbiHighComma
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Agreed. I have no beef with Taylor other than Amren’s unwillingness to recognize what time it is. I have made several semi-substantial donations (mid four figure) to orgs in our orbit. I have been asked in every case what my priorities are that I wish them to push. I said essentially, “This is your wheelhouse. I am donating because I like what you are doing. Please continue.” But it may explain Amren’s cuckiness….”Oy vey goyim. Here’s some shekels. Be pro-White, but only so much.” My two cents.

Thorsted
Thorsted
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

I think is it is one hour format and there should be a 3.hours recording. So, it likely have to be edited to one hour, send in full format or published on another location in full format if one hour is the limit of the series. I think the problem is related to that.

Xman
Xman
1 year ago

This is what a conservative foreign policy looks like, right here: “AND NOW, FRIENDS AND COUNTRYMEN, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world… should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest… Read more »

Eusebio
Eusebio
Reply to  Xman
1 year ago

America has been a problem from the beginning. That nauseating obsession with platonic abstracts like liberty and mankind.

Dehumanising Americans and foreigners to make the world safer for nouns.

Also the idea that any country is not driven by gritty self-interest is false and generally party to an abhorrent foreign policy.Laughable to believe that that greaseball wasn’t aware of the role of force in domestic or international politics . Priggish and declaratory lies are still lies.

Barney Boggs
Barney Boggs
Member
1 year ago

That’ll be the day when the National Review/Neocon set confess that they are the Neville Chamberlains of the American culture/domestic wars.

HomeyGWellz
HomeyGWellz
Reply to  Barney Boggs
1 year ago

Neville Chamberlain wasn’t even Neville Chamberlain. Knish neos and the Churchill cult overlap quite a bit so they’ve had ample time to rehearse every possible angle of polemical scapegoating and vulgar opportunist exploitation from the “peace for our time” gaffe, because people vividly remember that, of course (having bad optics is the cardinal sin among this crowd, since they never hold down actual jobs but concentrate in media, academia, diplomacy, fundraising instead). In muddling through to salvage the Stanley Baldwin government’s policies, Chamberlain was clearly no brain surgeon — trying to play Italy against Germany, for example — but had… Read more »

Vxxc
Vxxc
Reply to  HomeyGWellz
1 year ago

If Chamberlain had gone to war in 1938 the Germans would have won a quick victory , Hitler wanted and was more ready for war in 1938. Hitler would have been the new Bismarck and Chamberlain Napoleon III. Napoleon III allowed Bismarck to bait him into war in 1870 before he was ready, before France could mobilize, in the midst of a French Army Reorganization. Hitler wanted a replay of 1870 and Chamberlain denied him – gaining a year to build just enough fighters to barely survive the Battle of Britain. Chamberlain was a fool to wave that piece of… Read more »

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Vxxc
1 year ago

Chamberlain didn’t want war. Neither did Hitler. The Germans were never going to invade Britain. They were ill-prepared for a long protracted war. And they lacked the requisite navy for an amphibious invasion of England. If they would have attempted such a thing, they would have been annihilated before they even reached the beach. Even if by some miracle they would have set up a beachhead, it would have been so costly, they could only ever hoped for a few days holdout and a settlement/negotiation. England was a sea-power with a MUCH bigger navy than Germany. They had decided to… Read more »

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B125
B125
1 year ago

It feels like we’re going through a crash course to weed out the fake “conservatives”. Trump – weeded out the very obvious Never Trumpers, Romney, McCain, Cheney, etc. who are actually just Democrat/Uniparty operatives with no conservative beliefs. COVID – weeded out the ones like Sailer who are actually just terrified, selfish Boomers underneath their “racist” or “right wing” exterior. Also exposed alot of churches. Russia/Ukraine – exposes even more neo-conservatives, including “racists” like VDH. I don’t take anybody on the right seriously unless they’re at least non-interventionist. My opinion could change but so far nothing like that has happened.… Read more »

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  B125
1 year ago

Basically, just a remnant.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  B125
1 year ago

Nations are controlled by committed, intelligent, and organized groups who can either control public discourse or grab power directly. Doesn’t matter if we’re only 5 percent, as it’s enough with the proper infrastructure in place to turn a country around, which is why the current regime is so committed to ensuring groups of people on our side are incapable of organizing.

miforest
Member
Reply to  B125
1 year ago

it’s just the two of us now…

Marko
Marko
Reply to  B125
1 year ago

Sounds like your definition of Conservative is someone who just reflexively distrusts mainstream news sources and the American political system in general, and of course hates the interventionist foreign policy.

Sounds like an anarchist from the year 2000 to me!

I don’t even like the word “conservative” anymore. I’d prefer radical traditionalist. As in: an anarchist from the year 2000 who also accepts hierarchy and HBD.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  B125
1 year ago

The big split seems to be on one side folks who are still essentially committed to the system and think reform is possible with some combination of voting harder, dressing up as Captain America and jumping up and down in public, and driving their Ford F-150 around honking the horn. Along with them are the “conservatives” for whom the system is working quite nicely and would prefer any reform to be superficial, such as Turtle Man and Kitten Mittens. Our side are folks who realize, even reluctantly, that the system itself always produces this kind of a society. Democracies always… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ploppy
1 year ago

Ploppy: Very well said and many thanks. It’s so very tiresome to read “Think of the elderly and disabled and don’t forget to prep for your pets!” or some variation thereof everywhere online. Any sane racial/ethnic group puts its own children first, rather than focusing all its resources on people at the end of their lives. Remembering the wisdom and traditions of previous generations is not the same as ensuring all the stupid and complacent people – who remain just as stupid now that they are old as they were when they were young – become sainted ‘elderly’ beyond all… Read more »

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  B125
1 year ago

Yes, VDH and William S Lind have crapped all over themselves on this Ukraine boondoggle, which we know is simply a combination of massive money laundering for the right people and neocons’ crazy desire to fight a war with Russia…

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

I always get push-back when I point out VDH’s many flaws. The only positive attribute he really has is he is nowhere near as odious as most of con, inc. Playing the part of partisan hack, he has to make everything about Democrats and Republicans. How is Biden being “too soft” on Russia? What more does he even want him to do? We have already nuked the already poor relations with Russia. What more does he want? Troops on the ground? A nuclear first strike? The idea that we should have normalized relations with Russia decades ago never even occurs… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

I think the average Z fan is old enough to remember when popular-media conservatives were—not only in fact but by universal stereotype—the smart side of any right/left debate. Republican presidents have been imagined as Hitlerian mongoloids since Eisenhower, but until ~1994 conservative commentators were bowtied dorks who know everything about Juvenal and Berlioz—and about “policy,” especially foreign. The charge against them was that they lacked the working-man pragmatism, toughness, and tough-guy sentimentality of their more “ethnic” counterparts on the left. So today when old bowtie guys like Hanson and Mark Steyn spit wild neocon garbage, I think it’s so contrary… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

VDH is right on immigration and wrong on everything else.

RabbiHighComma
RabbiHighComma
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

VDH is typically Boomer in that he only fights back on issues that impact him personally – ie his central valley farm community being overrun by Mexicans. If it’s an issue that he can insulate himself from then we should all be generous to a fault and surrender to the people who hate us.

Robert
Robert
Reply to  RabbiHighComma
1 year ago

And VDH has said he has no problem with immigration as such, because he thinks “assimilation” will turn them all into copies of white people. He just wants it slowed. He’s trotted out the old line that Mexicans are just like Italians from the past, which is totally wrong.

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
Reply to  RabbiHighComma
1 year ago

AND he’s an insufferable anti-Southern bigot.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

Conservatism has been useless for a very long time. Z likes to quote a 19th century writer who explains the conservative con. The progressives put out a new terrible idea, the conservatives put up a feeble opposition to it, then the progressives move onto something else and that first progressive offense is then turned into a conservative principle. I can’t remember the guy’s name. I think he wrote the critique in the 1880s. The failure of conservatism is inherent in its form. It is simply a ratcheting mechanism. Conserving the status quo is not a viable political ideology. In 20… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

It was Robert Lewis Dabney.
What is important that most people don’t recognize is that Dabney was a Virginia Confederate, who had served on the staff of General Stonewall Jackson. That experience in the Civil War and then “Reconstruction” profoundly influenced his political philosophy in the 1880s.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Pickle Rick
1 year ago

And it was the Examiner, a newspaper in Richmond, Virginia, that published in 1858 the well-known editorial titled “Our Enemies the -Isms and Their Purposes.”

The South was right. Always right. A sort of latter-day Cassandra.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

The GOP are the pawl on the ratchet of the Shit-lib Come-Along.
They are there to ensure no back sliding.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

I like that phrase.

The GOP are the pawl of the shit ratchet.

TomA
TomA
1 year ago

Nothing will change until real hardship returns. Sheeple will remain docile and follow the herd until wolves start picking them off one by one. This is the malaise that we find ourselves in. We study the problem endlessly because it’s cheap comfort, but that does nothing to fix the problem. A time is fast approaching wherein hard men must step up and do hard things. They do exist and they will come out of the woodwork (or the fog of chaos) as appropriate. Only then will the ship of state begin to right itself. If you wish to become one… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

I don’t think the ship can ever be righted. We’ve had termites gnawing at the superstructure for decades. 1/3 of the people residing in America are not even American. Americans are quickly becoming a minority. Whatever emerges from the rubble will not be America in any recognizable form.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

Do not despair. Yes, the problem is daunting and even seems overwhelming. Take heart at the example of what the Russians are doing in Ukraine. They will not stop until Ukraine is demilitarized and denazified. They care not how long it takes. And the Ukrainians are aiding the process by dying in large numbers. Dead is dead. There can be no compromise or resurrection from the grave. It has always been this way.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

And Thank God for that, ‘not America’. Since that country is a failed state long gone and proven over & over that it simply wears that name as a skinsuit. Don’t get too hung up on that specific turn of phrase ‘righting the ship’ that is said in a generalized sense of a return to historic normalcy not anything USA specific. That ‘bolt from the blue’ that Tom likes to talk about is closer than it has ever been. Once the first tac-nuke is set off you may see a startlingly fast chain of events at that point. Tit for… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Apex Predator
1 year ago

I wander if most of the people protected by the blue are too stupid to realize just how vunerable they would be without the blue? Each neighborhood, small town or any reasonably cohesive community could solve a lot of problems quickly if left to their own devices.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

Emerging from the rubble is perhaps the only hope we have for a “former/new” America to emerge as we’ve come to understand it. What adds confusion wrt your comment is just dividing people who currently reside here to be either Americans and non-Americans. Look, anybody who resides here for 5 years can be naturalized and therefore “American”—but are they? Their children born here a native Americans, but are they? Is America a “propositional” concept? Or is being American that of blood and soil and culture? There is no “magic dirt”. Perhaps a better way to discuss is use the term,… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

When real hardship returns, heritage European stock will be best equipped to survive and thrive in the North American continent. Genetic intelligence and work ethic will once again prevail as nature intended. And I concur that the America that is currently corrupted by poor leadership and insane policy will need to be purged before a new beginning can emerge. That is the price of remedy. We must earn our redemption.

Robert
Robert
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

I’m not sure hardships fix anything. For one thing, a “big crash” in the way it’s envisioned seldom happens. Things just get rough and miserable over time. But sadly people get used to it.

A lot of people on our side sit around waiting for a Grand Collapse to fix everything. That’s not a strategy.

What I’ve noticed is that when people do get ready for a change, they pick up on the ideas and slogans that were in the air years before. So it’s important to get certain memes out there.

Felix Krull
Member
1 year ago

The reason I’d set the starting point at Kosovo rather than Georgia, is that Kosovo was where the neocons first broke international “law”, viz the UN charter stipulation against waging aggressive war (without a Security Council resolution.) They also broke the NATO treaty for the first time, using NATO command structure and materiel to wage war without a member country having been attacked or even threatened. And yet, this isn’t entirely correct. There was no SC resolution in Gulf War One (China abstained) but since everybody else was gung-ho for action, nobody cared and nobody remembers that it was illegal… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Yes, mine is a legalistic view.

On a personal level, Kosovo was the first time it dawned on me my government was not merely incompetent and corrupt, but evil. I’d voted for Niels Helveg Petersen myself, him being the chairman of the only explicitly pacifist party in parliament, and he won, huzzah, and wasted no time getting us involved in an illegal and deeply immoral war that established yet another Mohammadan state in Europe.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

You placed to much faith in a non-existent concept. There is no “international” law. The only law of international significance is the law of conquest. Bodies like the UN and the international court at The Hague are for show. Treaties like NATO are for the sake of convenience. Treaties are often broken when the probabilities of loss are considered so low that there will be no real consequences. Winners dictate the terms. For the losers there is only woe.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Maus
1 year ago

You placed to much faith in a non-existent concept. There is no “international” law.

Hence the scare quotes.

But before Kosovo, the Security Council was largely agreed on as the legal arbiter for war and peace. When the US invaded countries like Panama and Grenada, they were condemned in the media, not applauded.

I’m from Denmark and up until Kosovo, my country had not been at war since 1864, not unless you count the German occupation in WWII. Since Kosovo, we’ve been involved in five aggressive wars – Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Maus
1 year ago

@Felix

Do you think if it had not been Kosovo it would have been somewhere else around the same time?

The difference being the personnel changes in the European/US govts rather than the place per se.

Kosovo almost seems a proxy for marking a change in the governing structures rather a cause in and of itself.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Maus
1 year ago

Do you think if it had not been Kosovo it would have been somewhere else around the same time?

I figure that’s a fairly safe bet. Kosovo looks like it was planned out from the beginning as a deliberate assault on the Cold War world order. It forged the tools the neocons needed for the PNAC: removing the SC as a player and restructuring NATO to an imperialist organization so all member countries were complicit in the project.

Wag The Dog was a whitewash.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

…established yet another Mohammadan state in Europe

I recall the tortured language of “we have to help the Muslims because they thing badly of us but if we help then they’ll be on our side and then peace forever” or some other plate of meaningless tripe, all to justify helping people that they were casting as our sworn enemy not a month earlier.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

…they were casting as our sworn enemy not a month earlier. Yes. KLA (UCK) was on State Department’s terrorist list only weeks before we became besties. I knew a couple of guys who were in KFOR – the NATO occupation army in Kosovo – and they swear the Albanians are the scummiest people on the planet. They certainly wasted no time turning Kosovo into a powerhouse of drugs, illegal weapons and white slave trade. At the moment, they are flocking to Britain and being installed in five star hotels – they probably heard that the Brits are cool with gang… Read more »

Rebus
Rebus
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

Denmark is one of those countries you think is gonna make it but then you take a closer look and realize they are desperate for national extirpation. A less enthusiastic Sweden.

Strange.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

Denmark has one of the most robust anti-immigration publics in NW Europe; about 25% of the votes goes to white nationalist parties despite decades of painting nationalists as Nazis. The parties in question are all globalist puppets, but nobody is “desperate” for extermination. The public conversation about immigration is a lot more hardcore than anywhere in the US, even the lefties profess to be anti-immigration. They lie, of course, but they can’t be elected if they spout nonsense about open borders, amnesty, reparations, slavery or racism, the voters don’t want that. I would be interested to know how you came… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

“I figure that’s a fairly safe bet. Kosovo looks like it was planned out from the beginning as a deliberate assault on the Cold War world order. It forged the tools the neocons needed for the PNAC: removing the SC as a player and restructuring NATO to an imperialist organization so all member countries were complicit in the project.” Truly a brilliant insight, Felix. Genius, to be precise. I’ll add a few points about Kosovo. First, this was done in no small part on behalf of “our” little hat friends (of course). It was to throw a bone to the… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Thanks. Kosovo was my big red pill moment, so I’ve given it a lot of thought. Back then, I was still a Commie Swine and ironically, it was Chomsky who brought me to the right – or at least made me a neocon. Chomsky taught me that TPTB didn’t go around committing war crimes for no reason, there was cold calculation behind every bomb. In a perverse way, it soothed me: the world was not run by idiots, only villains. I figured the PNAC was about conquering the planet for America, building a global Pax Americana, a white supremacy. Was… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

@Felix:

“Yes. KLA (UCK) was on State Department’s terrorist list only weeks before we became besties.”

Among the 9/11 hijackers was a KLA member.

And, yes, I know: “hijacker.”

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

The take away lesson on the first War on Iraq was the perjury of the Kuwaiti Ambassadors daughter before Congress pretending to be a nurse who had witnessed Iraqi troops throwing babies from incubators so they could take the incubators back home.

Everybody knew it was a lie.The NYC PR firm who coordinated it, Hill and Knolton suffered no penalties.
I’d have tried the bastards for treason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
That was the point I realized the US was a rolling clusterfuck looting operation and not a serious country.

H&K were last seen working with the UN on their covid “Messaging”.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

The funny thing is how many in Congress do you think did not know she was the ambassadors daughter?

On top of that how many TV news producers and press agencies did not know?

I would bet less than a handful in each case.

So the intentional lie was active in order of thousands of people in the media/political sphere of people and it did not leak out for 2 years?

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  trumpton
1 year ago

“So the intentional lie was active in order of thousands of people in the media/political sphere of people and it did not leak out for 2 years?”

It may not have leaked into your little bubble.

Several million people knew damn well it was bullshit.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

I was pointing out the official maintenance of the lie by the people promoting the lie, not the recipients.

Stop being such a twat.

Alzaebi
Alzaebi
Reply to  trumpton
1 year ago

Yes, I’d say, as lying is their industry-

“Wag The Dog was a whitewash.”

Krull and Dobson’s thread illustrates a gob-smacking, I-can’t-believe level of vertical and horizontal integration.

Monica Lewinsky, Matt Drudge, the sham impeachment, the Wag the Dog movie even- theatre, theatre, all of it a vast game being played out above our heads, one in which we don’t know the rules. An entirely separate civilization.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebi
1 year ago

I mean, to consider that even the Monica charade was but a small side unit, like arranging catering for the camera crew’s lunch.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

I must confess that I believed her, also, I was maybe 13 at the time.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
1 year ago

The odds that these monstrous psychopaths and sociopaths entangle us in a nuclear war with Russia increase every day. It doesn’t bother them at all and they would have done it already if they thought they and their families and wealth could survive. On the other hand, if Putin made a credible threat to turn Israel into glass or to destroy their wealth, our Ruling Class suddenly would start to try to find a diplomatic settlement. That’s where we are: 98 percent of the people inside this Evil Empire are expendable but fellow Tribesmen and corporate gibs are not. There… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
1 year ago

As I said here a while back, Hanson and his ilk are proof of the concept of “Brand Equity” we learned in business school marketing class. The Neocon project is the greatest feat of sham marketing in American history. “America” is a fading brand. But as we’ve seen with Four Roses bourbon, Converse sneakers, Newport cigarettes etc., these brands are hard to kill and can be kept going by clever marketers for longer than anyone would think possible. So it is with American foreign policy. Hanson missed his calling as a marketing, not Classics, professor. The normie/griller types, in their… Read more »

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
1 year ago

In 1999, when Clinton bombed Serbia, murdering 5,000 people and under idiot Gen. Clark nearly started a war with Russia, it was opposed by a nascent Republican peace caucus in Congress, led by moderate Rep. Tom Campbell of California and of course Rep. Ron Paul. That’s why Bush promised a “humble” foreign policy in 2000. Then 9/11 struck and the Kagan Cult took over again with a vengeance. It’s taken until now for a similar caucus to begin again among the GOP in Congress. It’s still small.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 year ago

To Felix, I’m thinking that the Ukrainians are the scummiest. The more you learn about them, the absolute worse they look. But no doubt that Albanians are a very close second.

I can’t verify the truth of it, but I saw an article about the Ukraine not burying their KIAs. Some of them believe that Ukrainian Valkyries will swoop down and take them to Ukrainian heaven and make them immortal warriors against Russia. You have to move them to the top of the list just for that.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

Sorry that was badly misplaced. But Jack the “humble” foreign policy kind of explains 9/11 as an inside job. Humbleness doesn’t worh if you’re at war and if you’re not you need to get to work creating one.

RealityRules
RealityRules
1 year ago

Foreign policy as a litmus test is spot on. “What these foreign adventures do is divert attention from America’s real problems.” Yes. It also exacerbates our financial problems by shoveling unfathomable sums of money into our enemy’s hands. On a constructive side, there is a great interview of Drew Fraser by Gregory Hood discussing Fraser’s book, “The Wasp Question.” Z-Man, I wonder if you have read that and could do a review of it or an episode on it. I think any item that discusses paths forward for our people is where we should be focusing our energy. Even better… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

Of course, the GAE’s financial problems also present us with our openings and possibilities for organization that permits us to fulfill our destiny.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

Oh. And for VDH. Doesn’t he embody that quote by I don’t know who, something like, “There are some ideas that are so stupid, only an intellectual could conceive of and believe them.”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

Not sure I agree. He embodies the “neocon” philosophy. The use of force by a great power (us) makes right. Being an intellectual has little to do with being a neocon, as we can see from the overwhelming percentage of the American population that applaud neocon interventionism—even to this day.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Knowing what VDH must know about the Melian Dialogue, and also the Athenians’ Sicilian Expedition, that he would espouse such a truly bankrupt idea such as the neocon “philosophy” it truly beggars the imagination to attribute to him even a semblance of wisdom. I mean, the history that Thucydides so starkly portrayed is being played out in the current West’s policies and actions, and yes, Hubris does indeed encounter Nemesis. No, it will not be “different” this time.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

There is an old sci-fi book I read when I was a kid named Wasp by Eric Frank Russell. An agent dropped onto an enemy planet to disrupt society before an invasion. It’s a pretty good book and a handbook for quiet, covert weakening of your enemy.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
1 year ago

We have grown so used to meddling over the years talking to some conservatives about foreign policy and that we have no business meddling all over the world is like telling Pelosi she can’t drink anymore.
They just look at you for a minute and keep on rambling about what we should do about Putin and Iran and whatever else.
It’s wearisome.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Here’s some not-very-surprising news: Tulsi Gabbard just announced she’s leaving the Democratic Party. She says that the party is controlled by “an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness” who “stoke anti-White racism” and “protect criminals.” She’s also urging other Dems to leave as well.

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

I wouldn’t mind Desantis/Gabbard in ’24.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Maniac
1 year ago

Vote harder!!! Given that Tulsi Gabbard is a politician, it’s hard to take her seriously even when she’s saying things that sound good. What’s her angle? Is she merely trying to hoodwink a particular segment of the public? I cannot bring myself to treat the circus known as “politics” with anything but snide dismissal.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

She was probably ordered to do this by the WEF because they saw a gap in the plantation fencing.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

If there’s one thing I believe about Tulsi Gabbard, it’s that she’s sincere about her abhorrence of war and the warmongers. She actually served in Iraq as an Army Captain, unlike the ChickenHawk elites who delight in sending other people’s loved ones to foreign lands to fight and get killed.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Perhaps you’re correct about the sincerity of Ms. Gabbard’s antiwar stance. Then again, sincerity ain’t what wins elections. Here’s my own thought and you can take it or leave it: Never trust anyone you do not know personally. That goes for all politicians, all celebrities, all well-known journalists/pundits, etc. It even goes for our esteemed blog host, Zman. I enjoy virtually everything he writes. Nevertheless, that’s a far cry from extending meaningful trust toward him. I’m not saying he’s untrustworthy. I’m merely saying that I do not possess the requisite (personal) information about him to decide one way or the… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Wkathman, I’m wondering if that is a consequence of living in a low-trust society, or if that wariness is what allows a high-trust society to exist?

It also reminds me of a lesson I try to live and teach, “you don’t KNOW until you KNOW”. The ability to identify your assumptions and tag them separately from your actual knowledge is a key to avoiding being the sucker in the room.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Outdoorspro:

High-trust = gullible. Un American, too, if you believe the founders. Point being, America wasn’t, and wasn’t supposed to be a high-trust society.

A lot of hay made about liars taking advantage, as if that’s the problem. Truth is, Americans became chumps somewhere along the way. Slobs, too, imo. Or Americans aren’t Americans, I can’t decide. So much immigration and multiculturalism it’s hard to say what an American is anymore.

WCic911
WCic911
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

Thing is, these pols know what to say. It’s all so commonsensical. So they say it. Close the damn border. Stop fighting and losing stupid wars. Return to energy independence. Problem is, do they believe what they say?We have no way of knowing.

Trump said he was going to build a big beautiful wall, and that Mexico would pay for it.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  WCic911
1 year ago

To an extent, MX *did* pay for it. Whatever Trump did, he got the MX President to sit on those “refugees” before they crossed the border, thus preventing what we now experience. This was a co-operation that was never experience by the US before Trump.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

Too much interest in politics seems to me to be an indication that you expect a corrupt political system to fix itself from the inside—just need to pray harder, vote harder.

Not sure that the great “divide” as Z-man terms it has been crossed with such thinking remaining.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Notice that Tulsi said “anti-White.” She’s already entered the Republicans’ No-Go Zone.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Gabbard is a tough one. She and her husband follow a white guy who is a Vedic guru. Then there is the WEF affiliation. Then there is that she took here Oath of Office on the Vedic “Bible” that she gifted to India’s Modi. She is married to a non-white photographer/cinematographer. I don’t see how her life experience makes her a legitimate nation first, white advocate. In fact all of it, even US military/GAE service, is a counter indication. Even if she is sincere in what she says, she has no historic or future stake in the traditional, heritage America… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

I will add the immediate charter termination of any government entity that has a DIE coordinator and onerous taxes and fines for any company and school that has a DIE coordinator.

This is war! All out war! Pass the laws and enforce them.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

and I meant to add to abolition of racial preferences in government hiring, the termination of loans and financial support for, non-white owned and operated business that contract with the government.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

Banned Hipster ran a mini-series on Tulsi it read like Jim Jones stuff; I honestly have no idea what to make of it.

Here’s the first installation

https://bannedhipster.home.blog/2022/07/14/deep-inside-tulsi-gabbard/

You can find the rest of the series by scrolling down on his main page, along with a lot of other posts about Tulsi. He’s quite obsessed with her – he probably wants to date her.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

Love the title- “Deep Inside Tulsi Gabbard”, if that isn’t the name of a porn film that could make millions of dollars I don’t know what is! 😉

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

Based on the url/title of his series I’d say he is hoping to hit a home run on his date.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

Love the Banned Hipster (BH) reference! I’ve been sporadically reading that guy for a while now. He’s a bit off the wall and I never know how much of what he claims has any validity, but I enjoy the entertainment value of some of his posts. He’s somewhat akin to David Icke in that regard (though, to be fair, as far as I am aware, BH does not share Icke’s very amusing belief that literal reptilians run our planet). Seen from the proper tongue-in-cheek perspective, Icke can be a lot of fun. And he’s actually less clownish in his overall… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

You might want to get Robert Barnes’ take on Jones and the latest shenanigans in the defamation scam.

Vajynabush
Vajynabush
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

She’s made no indication that she’s joining the GOP

Gunner Q
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

It’s always a reasonable position, to distrust any female leader of men. That is never what women should be doing.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Does it not seem a bit suspicious that she switches over in time for the run up to the nominations? If I was them and I thought that the cheating might not be enough given a drift of normies into the Repub area of the reservation and some uncertainty as to who was going to be the nominee I would start a third party and get the media personalities from the Dems and maybe a couple of the Repubs to form a “center” party. Probably not call it the BullMoose party, something more snappy. Should bleed off those looking for… Read more »

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Tulsi will be getting a call from the ADL

Cwenhild
Cwenhild
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

My gut tells me to trust Tulsi Gabbard about as far as I could throw a wet carpet up a spiral staircase. So smooth and calm and plausible, and then you glimpse her manifesto which reads like something scratched out by Elizabeth Warren. I’m sick of the Tulsi simps, too. This is TYPICAL of the right – some lib has a stopped-clock moment once in a while and they’re forgiven everything, up to and including some pretty firm anti-2A stuff apparently. I DON’T KNOW WHAT SHE’S UP TO. She’s protean, a shapeshifter who’ll shimmer into the form most pleasing to… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Cwenhild
1 year ago

Her form is already quite pleasing so not much shifting needed.

Which of course makes her that much more dangerous. I do believe her anti war stance is sincere, but that is one issue of many.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

I have that pic of a shapely, light brown bikini-clad bottom diving into a pool with the caption, “Tulsi 2016!”

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
1 year ago

“Normal people are supposed to be mad at Putin rather than the sorry state of their own country and its leaders. … “This is why foreign policy must become a litmus test. There are no American interests in the Ukraine, South Ossetia or Tajikistan. Not only does meddling in these areas invite trouble, but it also diverts attention from important matters. Building superhighways in Afghanistan did not shorten a single commute in America. “Standing with Ukraine” does not stop the flood of invaders over the southern border. What these foreign adventures do is divert attention from America’s real problems.” Couldn’t… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Arshad Ali
1 year ago

Give the Europeans credit; with some notable exceptions, they don’t allow rampant squatting, drug use, and crime in every one of their major and mid sized cities. Even second order countries don’t permit this.

It’s not difficult to eliminate the ‘homeless’ problem. (It’s not homes, it’s a mental health/addiction problem)

IT IS impossible to eliminate the private/public billion dollar trough that solely exists to make sure the problem never goes away…and in fact, more is better.

Failed state, indeed.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 year ago

The Europeans house their immigrants in the suburbs, they have all the squalor you’d expect but at least kept the best pieces for themselves.

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
1 year ago

I’ll give VDH a little slack. A lot of dissidents today had normiecon pov three decades ago. The neocons are also not supernatural devils. They’re grifters that realized or stumbled onto a path of using America’s nature, it history, to advance their own interests. The real problems are that America was founded on the liberal-enlightenment ideology that people could be whatever they want to be. And our formative experience was exponential growth by conquering a continent scantily populated by neo lithic tribes. The combination made hubris the core American value. American and Americans could do anything and were destined to… Read more »

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

It’s easier to see when you realize that it’s liberalism their pushing. Not democracy per se. They link the two “liberal-democracy”.

But the latter is just a useful vector for the former. One that is set aside whenever and wherever it produces a result counter to the liberal agenda.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

Dinodoxy – You are on fire. I think they are extremely cynical and use the words democracy and liberal and liberal-democracy as a fig leaf for brazenly selfish ends. I also think that the non-tribe neocons are extremely idiotic people who have been convinced that they are going to rule over large economic zones like CanAmerXico. They may administer, but the financiers will rule. The foreign policy is the means for grift and pursuing another nation’s territorial consolidation and later expansionary aims, they themselves have combined it with the New Religion project. In the end, the white European Americans of… Read more »

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

Yes, it is a slippery, and likely carefully calculated, spurious pairing between those two entities, democracy, and liberalism (and in the spirit of full disclosure, neoliberalism).

Another slippery, carefully calculated, and spurious pairing?

Judeo-Christian.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

These people basically have the worldview of Captain Redlegs in The Outlaw Josey Wales.

They honestly think they are the good guys and that, “Doin’ right….ain’t got no end….”

bob sykes
bob sykes
1 year ago

Walter Russell Meade competes with VDH for neocon shill of the year.

Augustine
Augustine
Reply to  bob sykes
1 year ago

I used to read WRM often who wrote of the iterations of liberalism as a good thing. I used to admire his book Special Providence which traced America’s foreign policy threads back to 4 tendencies, one of which called Wilsonianism was about spreading our “values” throughout the world. This goes back a long way in American history, maybe back to the Civil War. Credit the neocons with taking advantage of this American tradition to further their own ends. If part of who we are is to spread American values throughout the world then no wonder normie (including me at one… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
1 year ago

What gives me a serious case of the skeeves is the utter flippancy with which these morons are directly poking a nuclear power. Lived through much of the Cold War and studied post WWII defense policy under serious “realpolitik” academics. Direct confrontation was consciously avoided. Now we’ve got Dementia Joe flying to Poland and publicly stating that Putin needs to be removed. But then again at least the foreign policy “experts” of the postwar period had often seen war’s handiwork up close and had some appreciation of the stakes in the game. And they still fucked up. The current crop… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

Nuland’s physical transformation over the years is directly correlated with the state of her soul. She’s the type of person who would fail in a casting call for a serious movie’s villain, as she looks too cartoonishly evil for the part. Physiognomy is real.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Yes, this calls to mind the story, The Portrait of Dorian Grey, but in this instance, the progressive revelation of her demeanor is not revealed upon a portrait concealed in the attic, but rather is right out in the open for those who have the ability to descry the reality. Of course, to her fellow psychopaths, she undoubtedly seems perfectly normal.

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

I become more convinced over time that that’s the whole point of all of this. In fact, if the Ruskies finally decide to launch the missiles, it’s not hard for me to picture Abidin’ – or whoever’s pulling his strings -kicking their feet up and saying, “Mission accomplished.”

But hey, at least we don’t have to worry about Trump’s mean Tweets anymore, right?

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Maniac
1 year ago

The pies are not helping her either.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

The contrast between now and the 80s is striking, especially on the US side.

Reagan was in decline, but he was still an adult that had a team of serious, fairly thoughtful adults around him.

Now, the WH looks and acts like a bunch of overgrown, hate-filled toddlers ready to live out the missile launch scene in, The Dead Zone. The Nuland-thing is perhaps the most distressing example.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

Reagan on the last day of his presidency was sharper than Biden has been for at least a decade. Maybe ever – Joe was always a dimwit although he could talk back in the day.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

When the blue check twitteratti are confidently pronouncing “No Russian general would actually launch/drop a nuke if given a lawful order by Putin”, you know they’re completely divorced from reality.

Think on that.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

Direct confrontation was consciously avoided. As direct as anything we see today, IMO. Soviet pilots directly fought Americans during the Korea War and everybody knew it. The US flew spy planes over the USSR, had strategic nuclear submarines on Russia’s doorstep and provided the Afghans with Stinger missiles. (Notice how nobody gave Taliban MANPADS) The Russians sponsored terrorists and “liberation” movements like ANC in South Africa and their agents killed people on the streets in European capitals. I don’t believe they’ll press the button. The risk is never zero, of course, but nuclear war is just a better fearmongering issue… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

Yep. I’m surprised at how many comments we get on this blog wrt nuke war possibility. Perhaps I’m old enough to remember the old days of “duck & cover” TV service commercials and have become jaded.

Nuke war does not keep me up at night, and I’m not paranoid enough to believe either side will start such—no matter how insane.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

There is a bigger da ger of a false flag nuke than a Russian initiated one. Guess that’s a grey pill.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

I am not that optimistic. I reflect that control over grave matters of life or death here in AINO has been given over into the hands of members of a tribe who still gloat over the story of Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple upon himself and his enemies in an act of suicide. Further, and perhaps more relevant to today, they have quite the fixation on the resort to mass suicide at Massada when those Romans were about to be in a position to storm the fortress. Consider then those two fixations conjoined in the self-image of… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
1 year ago

And considering that the word “holocaust” literally means “holy altar fire of sacrifice”- the word comes a Kaballah prophecy based on Isaiah that 6 million Israelites must be burned as a sacrifice, to bring the messiah / anointed one, that he might take his throne and reign of all tribes, to claim all this kingdom as his own.

The elect will be resurrected, perfect, so have no qualms about sacrificing even your own to bring this about.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
1 year ago

Jersey-

You have precisely summarized my gut feeling that the reality/psyop likelihood of nuclear war is currently around 60/40 and steadily trending towards 70/30.

A key indicator will be the GAE response to the recent Russian missile barrage across Ukraine.

The next key indicators will be a GAE-staged nuclear false flag and any potential Russian response to it.

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
1 year ago

Thank you, Mr Z. Hanson is the absolute worst commentator in existence right now; he has managed the trick of tarting up his basic stupidity with bloviating, sham-Churchillian pros, which for a lot of moronic “conservatives” implies deep profundity. (I guess they are also impressed that he at least in theory can conjugate Greek verbs. (Let’s remember how he orgasmically celebrated “farm boys” from the Midwest for their pillage of “Southern aristocrats” in Georgia and South Carolina, and his hero-worship of the psychopath William T Sherman, whose greatest victories were against women and children. If you’d really like to hammer… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Enoch Cade
1 year ago

In Sherman’s defense, he was the only one that warned early in the game that a) it would not be a short war and b) the economic destruction of the southern heartland was inevitable endgame. Nobody listened. The South’s key tactical mistake was replacing Johnston with Bell Hood. The latter was brave, but a moron.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

Sherman was a bloodthirsty butcher who burned his way through a defeated, starving South with no remorse and no shame. At that point of the war defeat was inevitable and everythign he did was for pleasure. He, Grant and Lincoln I have no doubt are roasting in Hell right now.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Enoch Cade
1 year ago

A guy like Hanson used to have a place that was appropriate for him and his type, and that’s as a university Classics professor. He could teach young people the importance and relevance of our ancestors and forefathers.

Alas, the modern university no longer cares about the ancient Greeks, Romans, Persians, etc, unless they can find something gay about them. So instead of a nice, comfortable teaching position and a wood-paneled office with impressive bookshelves, he spends his time fluffing up mediocrities who care nothing about the past.

It’s sad.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Enoch Cade
1 year ago

Not only do you despise Hanson, you know little of his body of work.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
1 year ago

> Russia instead became a formable promoter of the Iranian, Hezbollah, the Assad regime, and Hamas axis, an obstacle to Israeli responses to cross-border terrorism, and a deterrent to any Western notion of preemptively destroying Tehran’s nuclear potential. I like how he assumes all of these groups are so clearly bad that he doesn’t even try to justify it. While they’re not exactly pure as summer roses, in the grand geo-political realm, they’re pretty tame in comparison and benign to our core interests. For another nation, a greatest ally one might call them, it’s a little different though. I wonder… Read more »

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

I’m not sure how Russia is a Hamas promoter or even Hezbollah for that matter. Russians have always taken care in balancing their support for Syria or good relationship with Iran, with at least positively neutral attitudes from Israelis. They simply don’t underwrite the support for those organizations.

Quoted fragment appears to be another goobledygook for the Axis of Evil reboot. Neocon political universe at its finest.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Tajikistan’s civil war from 1992 provides interesting insight into Russian managment of that area after Afghanistan had collapsed. When Tajikistani authorities broke down, there was much fear in Moscow that Islamic Revival Party would join forces with Massoud’s Northern Alliance (as Tajiks formed significant part of it with Massoud himself). While there was no chance of stopping the break-away from USSR, at least some influence could be retained by backing western clans that were connected to state institutions. Formerly Soviet 201st Motor Rifle Division that was stationed at Tajikistan-Afghanistan border initially sold arms to both sides of the conflict while… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Puszczyk
1 year ago

The 1979 Soviet invasion stemmed from the 1973 Afghan Marxist Party toppling the king, a rather peaceful hereditary dynasty.

I hear that bacha bazi boy harems are actually a recent development.

From Marxist revolution to little boys in skirts? Opium and arms smuggling?

Now I’m beginning to wonder how big were the noses in that Afghan Marxist Party.

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

You want a big black pill?

Read the comments to the VDH article.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
1 year ago

Why? I fully expect his article resonates with a good body of the readership. Neocon thought is not unpopular—and certainly more popular than DR concepts/thought. VDH has a pretty good sinecure at the Hoover Institute and pretty extensive academic pedigree/history. He has any number of fans, as does Thomas Sowell—also of Hoover Institute.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
1 year ago

Taraki, Amin and Karmal were Pashtuns so their noses were more prominent I guess…

Soviets invaded because every puppet screwed up and caused increasing blowback. KGB “Alfa” unit toppled their own guy Amin (unsuccessfully poisoned) just to install Karmal after all.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  Puszczyk
1 year ago

Reply to Alzaebo

usNthem
usNthem
1 year ago

After all the foreign misadventures over the past 30 years – really the past 75, you’d think people would wake up that not a single one had a damn thing to do with our best interests. The government has been living on the fading patriotic fumes from WW2 for decades. Meanwhile, the cultural rot has reached the attic and the whole mess is close to tumbling down.. DC is a cancerous tumor threatening the entire world.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

It’s really hard for normal Americans to wrap their heads around the thought that we’re now the bad guys. In the cartoonish view that the Global American Regime pushes, the villains of the world are guys like Putin and Saddam, Assad, Khadafy, et al, not the good ol’ USA. (USA! USA! USA!)

Horace
Horace
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

“The government has been living on the fading patriotic fumes from WW2 for decades.” I’ve consciously considered myself a patriot since I was a boy. Patriotism is loyalty to the patria, or fatherland. If one prefers, one can substitute motherland, as the Russians do with their concept of the the Rodina, or homeland, preferred by androgynous establishment Republican and Democrat gender-neutral twits. Regardless, we have neither fatherland, motherland, nor homeland. We are subjects of an imperial open-borders crony cartel corporate trade zone. Only a sub-cretin has loyalty to an imperial trade zone run by internationalist grifters. Glory to the heroes… Read more »

Robert
Robert
Reply to  Horace
1 year ago

Don’t a lot of our problems stem from a poor definition of patriotis? A lot of us were taught that it was only loyalty to some set of ideas. As opposed to loyalty to a particular people, nation, and country.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

Read the surveys of America regarding whether or not America should get involved fighting the Germans. Almost no one wanted to join the fight, but Washington did it anyway. Nothing has changed in this so called country. The cabal in Washington does what it wants when it wants, people be damned. Now throw in a massive low IQ horde population that’s been sucking the country dry and you’ve got the perfect storm.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Tired Citizen
1 year ago

Given the military recruitment failures, I guess they are not that low iq yet.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

The US, like the UK before it, is a golem.

I blame William of Orange, who allowed a certain family to create the Bank of England.

Vegetius
Vegetius
1 year ago

VD Hanson is a golem.

If he hadn’t jammed his tongue as far as he could up our enemy’s azz and flattered them with comparisons to Athens, no one would know who he is.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Vegetius
1 year ago

Again, spoken like someone not familiar with VDH body of work. His academic standing has never been a product of todying.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

All the more reason to despise him. He should know better but he has clearly become a neocon whore in the pundit class.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

My neighbor Vic is a literal Boomer struggling to hang onto what’s left of his great-grandad’s farm.

Like they say in prison, ya gotta do whatever it takes.to survive.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
1 year ago

When you click the link for Ihor Kolomoyskyi, Victoria Nuland’s pal, make sure you smash the early life section. It really is every single time.

David Wright
Member
1 year ago

Why should I hate Putin? All the hate, oppression and lawfare directed at me comes from inside my own country.

What is the meme going around now? Putin never called me a racist homophobic misogynist while doing everything to limit my voice, freedom and my parental rights.

Oh, I’m quite clear on who my enemy is.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

That’s where I am. I’ve grown more fond of him daily as opposed to my own country. I have zero patriotism. Zero. I threw away my flags even. This is not my country. It is an economic trading zone run by a cabal who hates its normal, white citizens. Men in dresses calling themselves wahmen, the worship of the feral black criminals, golden caskets for drug dealing rapists. I’m ashamed and embarrassed to be from the USA. Add in a seething, deep hatred for the left and it rounds everything out. Russia sounds better and better every day.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Tired Citizen
1 year ago

Bravo, Tired Citizen! Patriotism is not only the last refuge of a scoundrel, it’s the first refuge of millions of folks who ought to know better by now. The USA long ago ceased being the “republic” indicated in the Pledge of Allegiance; rather, it is an empire consumed in global dominance and actively hostile to large segments of its own population — segments, by the way, that tend to include many of this so-called nation’s fiercest patriots. But those patriots are really just damn fools for not being able to see and process what should be readily apparent to anyone… Read more »

Maxda
Maxda
1 year ago

The Trotskyites have a few simple tricks to keep neo-con “leaders” like Lindsey Graham pouring endless streams of printed dollars into their schemes.
– Ukraine is now the largest money-laundering scheme in history. Who knows where the money and equipment we send ends up?
– Along with the payouts comes convenient blackmail opportunities. Also wouldn’t surprise me if the same people happen to have all of Epstein’s lost files.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Maxda
1 year ago

My hunch is we’ll be finding out where all the military equipment ended up on a regular basis for the next ten years. In some cases, might be the last thing you find out.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

I can’t wait to see some of the more lethal stuff turn up in Mexico and our Southwest. I’d hate to be a LEO in that part of the world when they get Stingers, Javelins and such.