Societal Collapse

Note: The long awaited release of my talk with Greg Hood of American Renaissance has finally arrived. You can listen to it here.


Most people think of societal collapse as something like a zombie apocalypse where everything suddenly stops working. Instead of people turning into brain eating zombies, they stop going to work. The “system” collapses, so everyone just stops doing what they normally do all of a sudden. The next day, people divide up into gangs and begin to guard their turf using what is left of modern weapons. Life quickly returns to a hunter-gatherer existence with modern clothes.

This image of collapse is a powerful one. Google the phrase “United States collapse” or some version of it and you get results going back many years. Most of them start with economics but some start with culture. Right now, the people we call the Left for some reason think America is on the verge of collapse because they cannot force people to nod along with their weird morality. Many normal people think collapse is coming because they see the food bill every week.

Of course, there is a market for taking the contrary view. This is a popular gag for internet characters on what we continue to call the Right. They counter the claims from their fellow anti-leftists with arguments for why the “founding principals” will prevail and avoid societal collapse. Maybe they will point out that the magic of the free market has conquered communism, so it will conquer whatever is happening now. It is a form of strategic gainsaying to get attention.

The thing is societal collapse is a real thing that does happen just as civil wars, revolutions, wars and social upheavals are real things. Thirty years ago, the Soviet Union collapsed and we got to watch lots of it on television. When people suddenly realized that the guards were not going to shoot them if they tried to escape to the West, it did not take long before order broke down. Once the process started, there was no way to stop it and the system collapsed.

The thing is it did not happen overnight. The collapse actually started much earlier but people did not notice it. Little things stopped working. For example, people in Hungary began to notice that the border to Austria was not always guarded. Maybe the guards were there and ignored their duty or they just abandoned their post. Over time the border was not much of a border. Similar breakdowns of small systems became common over the course of the 1980’s.

Of course, the collapse of the Soviet Union did not send these societies back to the stone age either. Politics became increasingly chaotic. Law and order broke down to the point where criminal gangs were imposing their will on whole cities, because the police no longer had the ability or desire to stop them. The people got poorer in many small ways, but mostly in the breakdown of trust. They could not rely on the system, so they slowly abandoned it for alternatives.

We do not think of social trust as a part of the poverty equation, but in realty it is the key component of social happiness. High trust societies may not have unlimited consumer goods, but the people trust the system, because they trust one another. This allows for long term planning. Africa will never be rich, despite having massive natural resources, because social trust is near zero. Finland will never be poor because the Finns can count on their fellow Finns to always be Finnish.

Social collapse, like war and revolution, will reflect the material relations of the age because those reflect the resources of society. Revolution in the 18th century was peasants with pitchforks, because that is how you can revolt in an agrarian society operating under feudal rules. In the 19th century revolution was workers hurling homemade bombs and shooting at the authorities, because that is how you can stage a revolt in an industrial urban society.

This is the information age, so revolution will reflect the weapons we choose to use in this age, which will be money and knowledge. Money in all of its forms is a type of information that says things about the general state of affairs. In completely financialized societies like the West, money is the big weapon. It is also other information, like the government hiring clowns and carnies to nudge people in the “right direction” during the Covid panic.

The great tumult in the West over the last decade has been centered on the things that are important in the information age. The rise of a new group of oligarchs was made possible by the technological revolution. Just as agrarian people measured wealth in land and industrial people measured wealth in capital, technological people measure wealth in control of information flows. The reason Mark Zuckerberg is richer than Bill Gates is he controls something more valuable than PC’s.

Societal collapse in the information age will, at least at the beginning, reflect the socioeconomic relations of the age. Trust in what we are told by the media has collapsed, because it is easier to see the lying than in prior ages. In 1985 you could think the New York Times was biased, but predictably so. Today, you cannot trust anything they say because it is false in unpredictable ways. Trust in the media has collapsed because their information is chaotically false.

The slow collapse of trust in our information is spreading. We used to think that the courts were predictable, if not always fair. Poor people might not get the same justice as rich people, but the reason was understood. If you could afford a competent lawyer, he would get the most from the system for you. Today, no one knows what the hell will happen in a courtroom. Alex Jones just got fined a billion dollars because the regime supporters are still salty about the 2016 election.

Of course, trust in government is collapsing not because they do not fix the streets or make the buses run on time. Trust is falling because they lie. It is not about politicians lying, which is expected and predictable. It is the government itself. For example, they appear to be faking key economic data. Their inflation numbers are laughable as anyone who buys food will tell you. They also like to change the meaning of words, which puts an Orwellian spin on the lying.

Getting back to the topic of collapse, what happens in the information age when no one trusts the information? In a world where your bank may close down your account because they claim you hold the wrong opinions; how can you trust them to be straight about anything else? If the government is faking economic data, how can we trust anything else they are doing? When the people responsible for 100% of disinformation claim to be fighting disinformation, who can we trust?

When the Soviet system began to collapse, it was the symbols of its power that first came under pressure. When people stopped fearing the border guard, they slowly stopped fearing the system behind it. The same will be true in this age. When people stop trusting the information that runs this world, they will slowly begin to stop trusting the system behind it. It is at that point the system begins to slowly unravel as alternative trust networks form up to fill the void.

The bottom line is those waiting for collapse are mistaken. It is not a thing that is looming over the horizon. It is a thing that is happening now. Every day there is a new reminder that the system cannot be trusted. Maybe it is ten dollar gas in Germany or skyrocketing food prices in England or demonstrably false claims from the drug makers with regards to the Covid jab. These things chip away at trust in the system and like the game of Jenga, the result is inevitable.


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ursel doran
ursel doran
2 years ago

Here is reviewed the collapse of the one key element of our society that has been critical for our civilized society. The Rule of Law.
Notes on our nonexistent “rights”, the Constitution, and the “Bill of Rights”.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/do-we-have-any-rights/

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Tempazpan
Tempazpan
2 years ago

I well remember the fall of the Berlin Wall. It was an absolutely sensation event, heralding huge change in the world, from Germany to South Africa to Moscow to Belfast. The old world we had become accustomed to in the Eighties was quickly swept away.

With regard to collapse in the US, barring a nuclear exchange with Russia (a definite possibility given the reckless clowns running Washington), I think states liek Texas and Florida will be able to keep civilization going within their respective spheres. Urban Illinois and California? not so much.

Brian Trompeter
Brian Trompeter
2 years ago

Thank you for yet another trenchant, insightful column. I wish I could afford to pay you a little something, but I’m girding for the controlled demolition of our formerly great country. Keep on doing what you do!

Anon
Anon
2 years ago

We aren’t near a collapse. Not the first to say it here, but Rome went on a long time beyond Julius Caesar, Caligula, and Elagabalus. It just had that much material and social inertia stored up from the Fabian, Catos, Scipio, and Augustan times. We are still living off dividends of “the brown shoe army”. Today, Russian fumbling confirms the lack of serious competition. I do think though it is hard to appreciate how “ghettofied” the US has become. The actions this country has been doing overseas – beefing with any tribe or country possible – and running guns and… Read more »

NoOneAtAll
NoOneAtAll
Reply to  Anon
2 years ago

“This is going to continue for a long time because US weaponry is simply the best”

I know the regime insists this is true, but they insist on a lot of things. What record of glorious military victory supports the idea that the regime has superior weaponry?

Anon
Anon
Reply to  NoOneAtAll
2 years ago

Heh, well, the US ostensibly has the 2nd or 1st largest nuclear arsenal on the planet, so there is that.

AND it’s the only one ever to nuke another country.

So you tell me how crazy you’re feeling if you are actually in a position of power and looking at that.

I think our “glorious victories” in Korea, Vietnam/Laos, Somalia and the rest indicate that’s the wrong metric. Lose Vietnam: nothing changes. Lose Afghanistan: nothing changes. Lose Hadrian’s Wall: nothing changes. So…key question for all the Sullas is what is the metric.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Anon
2 years ago

True – those were all wars we could afford to lose in that it wouldn’t really change anything. Other than sew doubt in our real ability to militarily hold ground in places we want to physically control. Gives credence to the strategy that you win against ZUSA by not losing.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  NoOneAtAll
2 years ago

Obviously it must be true because we spend a hundred times as much on those weapons. It’s like when this guy sold me magic beans for a sack of gold, these beans must be exceedingly powerful to have cost so much.

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  NoOneAtAll
2 years ago

You miss the point of perpetual wars. It doesn’t matter if we win or lose. The point is to keep the MIC well fed.

We lost the war in Afghanistan and gave the “enemy” military equipment worth billions. All good. Now the MIC has to be fed so that they can replace it all.

Cwenhild
Cwenhild
2 years ago

Great article, as usual. Intense hardship is surely coming. But we’ll weather it the way humans always have: by narrowing our focus to the essentials. The death cult’s carefully laid plans depend upon our being weak, soft and divided. So let’s make sure we’re not. paralleleconomies.com https://www.publicsq.com/ https://wethepeopleprocessing.com/about/ It all seems pretty daunting at present, and lonely. Even if the normies can’t connect all the dots quite yet, a form is taking shape in the murk. A monstrous vampiric evil is creeping out of the shadows, the bane of our species, ancient and eldritch. This is a spiritual war: the… Read more »

James J. O’Meara
James J. O’Meara
2 years ago

“Africa will never be rich, despite having massive natural resources, because social trust is near zero. Finland will never be poor because the Finns can count on their fellow Finns to always be Finnish.“

And that’s exactly why mass immigration is the kill shot.

Carlyle
Carlyle
Reply to  James J. O’Meara
2 years ago

Finnish Civil War before WW2 was, in terms of percent of population killed, the worst in modern European history. Not much discussed. “Reds vs whites.” Once social trust snaps, even in an homogenous society, all bets are off.

Mycale
Mycale
2 years ago

You can see the newfound lack of trust in the system with these new “bivalent” boosters. Despite being touted as the new safe and effective way against evil Omicron, nobody is taking it. Uptake is in the single digit percentage-wise, which means that even the vast majority of vaxxed, boosted liberals are skipping them. It seems that they’re going to skip it for reasons left unsaid. It reminds me of the way they move to put their kids in “good schools”, where it is just understood what “good schools” really means. When I think of collapse I always think of… Read more »

Steve W
Steve W
Reply to  Mycale
2 years ago

“The US has a uniform elite, working in lockstep. Yet it is an elite that hates the citizens it rules over, and on a very base level seems to hate the very idea of humanity and civilization.” Yep. This is what makes our situation unique, and historical analogies unsatisfying. It’s hard to imagine any country or even empire in history led by a ruling elite bent on the annihilation of its core, productive population. It’s like the scene in ‘Independence Day’ when the alien informs the President that he (the alien) just wants us to die. Except that the alien,… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Steve W
2 years ago

I think the nearest analogy to our rulers is the Soviets terrorizing their way through Eastern Europe after WWII. They really just want us obliterated—in the most humiliating ways they can think of. A normie-con called “MartyrMade” did a good brief overview of that period in a podcast called “The Anti-Humans.” I’d link but we all use different apps, so it’s better to search for it. Sensitive types may note that he has a distinctive DC military academy accent. Non-paranoiacs will think of it as him sounding like Henry Rollins. Given that, doubt all his assessments and asides. He’s literally… Read more »

Carlyle
Carlyle
Reply to  Steve W
2 years ago

Yagoda and the other bolshevik mass-murderers of the 20s and 30s were also an alien elite who sought the destruction of the people, whom they labelled kulaks, class enemies, running dog lackeys, etc, in order to demonize and destroy. Pol Pot’s Cambodia is another illustration of the process. Cain vs. Abel also comes to mind, sons of the serpent vs. sons of Light. As the man commented above, using Tolkien’s language, it is an ancient horror, the bane of our people, “eldritch.” Kierkegaard also wrote about this in ‘Beyond Good & Evil.” The average griller will soon find himself inhabiting… Read more »

miforest
Member
2 years ago

It’s almost like the ccp decided to eliminate the us and the west by subterfuge. kind of like in their 1999 ccp army book, https://www.c4i.org/unrestricted.pdf paid off global financiers gain control of the media. Using that and bought control of both political parties the west is deindustrialized and bankrupted . the divisions inflamed. Promoting policies and agendas that destroy the birthrate in the targeted population . set policies that drive down the number of people in the military and destroy its human capital. enact mandates that force the best out and sicken the remainder. let the state dept start a… Read more »

miforest
Member
Reply to  miforest
2 years ago

silly . anyone doing that would worry about food: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-05/one-reason-for-rising-food-prices-chinese-hoarding?leadSource=uverify%20wall
” By mid-2022, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, China will hold 69% of the world’s corn reserves, 60% of its rice and 51% of its wheat.”
and gold: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/exclusive-china-opens-its-borders-billions-dollars-gold-imports-sources-2021-04-16/

NoOneAtAll
NoOneAtAll
Reply to  miforest
2 years ago

The “media” have identifiable last names they helpfully attach right to all the civilizational poison they spread.

Doesnt take a lot of familiarity with this stuff to know they ain’t chinese

miforest
Member
Reply to  NoOneAtAll
2 years ago

they will work for anybody paying.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  NoOneAtAll
2 years ago

The organizers and inner circle of the CCP weren’t Chinese; Mao was a nobody at first on the Long March, groomed as a cadre agent by the ‘Yale in China’ branch. The CCP’s real roots lie in the Raj, David Sassoon, leading the City of London’s Opium Wars, which led to the creation of HSBC, the HongKong Shanghai Banking Company. That’s where we are now. Pggybacking the 400 year Spice War navies led to joint stock mercenary companies. Today, we have a public-private partnership between bank-controlled governments using multinationals and “nonprofit” NGOs as the revolutionary vanguard. Corporate mercenaries are very… Read more »

Carlyle
Carlyle
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Excellent comment. There is no understanding modern China without understanding the Sassoons, Boxer Rebellions and opium. General Smedley Butler (“War is a Racket”) led US Marines into China to force them to continue allowing importation of opium. As Butler said, “All wars are bankers wars.”

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  miforest
2 years ago

Well, the CCP has dozens of de facto police station/consulate hybrids across the Western world to provide services and keep their diaspora in line.

What Western equivalent institution currently exists in mainland China?

Anon
Anon
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

The FBI and the CIA. Both have overseas branches. Both to ensure overseas Americans toe the line. (Think of that Muslim preacher and his son who didn’t.)

Maybe the Chinese, who stereotypically copy everything and have no original thought, copied this idea too?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Anon
2 years ago

Eh, a few years ago I spoke with the Defense Attaché and Chamber of Commerce reps at the embassy, which we know are all CIA fronts, in the foreign country I was working in at the time.

They had no idea our major project was even in-country.

Whiskey
Whiskey
2 years ago

Our collapse will likely be rapid. The de-industrialization of Germany means the collapse of many/most of German companies and the collapse of the Euro and EU. Without German export money propping up the whole thing, Europe is not sustainable in any way. No money to bribe/pay off local politicians, or peoples. As Credit Suisse analyst Zoltan Posdar noted, Germany made $3 trillion off $30 billion in cheap Russian gas imports. But because all our banks are connected, the collapse of Mercedes, Volkswagen, BASF, Deutsche Bank, etc will cause the collapse of Blackrock, Wells Fargo, JP Morgan, etc. because they all… Read more »

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Otoh, collapse of the euro will funnel other countries’ funds and transactions out of euros into USD. We will be able to staunch domestic US inflation for a while by imploding the euro.
The banks will just be declared to be wearing clothes and TBTF and nothing will actually happen. The Banker in Monopoly never goes broke, its literally in the rules.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
2 years ago

Heck, imploding the euro may be so awful for Europe it could permit them to be forced directly into the USD on terrible terms for them and excellent ones for the US.

Din C. Nuttin
Din C. Nuttin
2 years ago

…”and like the game of Jenga, the result is inevitable.” Luv it.

B125
B125
2 years ago

Perspective from a vibrant: “American” “Comedian” Hasan Minhaj: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/hasan-minhaj-toronto-gorgeous-people It’s clear that Toronto’s diversity resonates strongly with Minhaj. “Everybody in the city is gorgeous and beautiful,” Minhaj told the press. “When I was walking around and like, oh my god, everyone just like looks like a fashion catalog… everyone’s this beige mix of the future. They’re like the love child of Drake and Bruno Mars.” “You’re the most beautiful… Sudanese-Egyptian-Indian-Pakistani-Filipino person I’ve ever met,” he said about Toronto’s population. “Doesn’t everybody kind of look like that? It’s just amazing. Crayola needs to have this thing called ‘Toronto melanin’, which is… Read more »

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

There weren’t any jokes in there. It is just seeking applause for making, “diversity”, platitudes. How many whites in the audience are applauding for this guy and this garbage? I want to live to see the day where people like this are greeted not with applause, but who are bum rushed and torn limb from limb by the audience. Notice his race mixed person does not include any white. This is pure race hatred. I don’t think it is self hatred or self loathing either. I think it is glee at the prospect of genetic conquest. He holds as his… Read more »

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

I watched those video clips. What is interesting about this, is how much meaning he ascribed to Jeremy Lin’s athletic accomplishments. It was meaning to all Asians of all races. Lin was East Asian. Ironically, it doesn’t do any honor to Lin. These craven narcissists take a man’s accomplishments and turn them into press conferences used not to honor the accomplishment and the man, but to turn it into a means to honor themselves. What does an East Asian guy dunking on a black in America have anything to do with a Pakistani Muslim, “comedian?” Answer, the comedian is not… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

The obvious solution is to just move to a melanated city, like Karachi or Islamabad, if he likes that so much. Of course, he never will, for many obvious reasons.

He wants White people stuff without the White people. In fact, feels entitled to it.

Personally I’m glad that he left out White people from his mixed-race dystopia though. I hope we don’t mix with any of them. Whites are getting the hell out of Toronto. Unfortunately, there’s nowhere long term to run.

NoOneAtAll
NoOneAtAll
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

“Unfortunately, there’s nowhere long term to run.” The world is an awfully big place and long term is an awfully long time. Its one thing to engage in realistic pessimism but dont overdose on black pills The chief complaint about our ancestors boils down to the fact that they stood astride the world exactly as long and firmly as they wished. Quality will out. We’re going through a major selection event and ridding ourselves of the catlady and soyjack genes. Will come roaring back in due time, although perhaps not in our lifetime. Produce and raise children worthy of reconquering… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

2045: “Where de white wimmin at?”

This is like the trannys.
Copying…something that doesn’t officially exist.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Like…Oh. My. God!

I’m guessing he says that with a lisp and a limp wrist cocked at his ear.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

I like melanin too – who wouldn’t like a blond haired blue eyed Swede with a tan?

NickiCardiDojaStallion
NickiCardiDojaStallion
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

I’ve somehow mentally conflated this guy with the (much lighter) Hasan Piker, and was trying to imagine why the latter would be walking around Toronto; I am really getting old… Or celebrities are getting more interchangeable. No deathcon, this is how I mix-up several white celeb doppelgangers as well. And don’t quote me “Bill Pullman”/“Paxton”— those 2 are completely different

B125
B125
Reply to  NickiCardiDojaStallion
2 years ago

“POC with limited entertainment skills, a raging inferiority complex, an ongoing crippling identity crisis, and thinly disguised hatred for Europeans”

Is pretty interchangeable these days for most of these people. Lilly Singh is another good example.

James J. O’Meara
James J. O’Meara
Reply to  NickiCardiDojaStallion
2 years ago

Last night I realized that I constantly confuse Tim Roth and Tim Robibins although they aren’t even that alike.

I also had to watch The Departed three times before I could tell Leo, Markie and Matt apart although that might have been the point of the casting. Old school guys like Jack and Martin are unmistakable of course.

DFCtomm
Member
2 years ago

Is the demographics of the West generally and U.S. specifically very different than the demographics of the USSR when it collapsed? We have a two tier society with a lot of old White people who keep the infrastructure up, and a lot of brown imports that don’t know how to work an indoor toilet. What happens when these competent old White people can’t get their medications? Won’t we quickly fall to the technological level of the majority under those circumstances? If you import enough of the dregs of every country then won’t you eventually become the dregs, at the worst… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  DFCtomm
2 years ago

Why are you questioning any of this?

Write straightforward simple declarative sentences about reality as it actually exists.

We simply have to change the tenor of our discourse.

[Which frankly is one of the leading reasons the Donald Trump phenomenon had to be nipped in the bud; too much bold & courageous Truth-Speak.]

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 years ago

That podcast with Greg Hood was spectacular.

Humdee
Humdee
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

I enjoyed all 262 minutes and 46 seconds of it. Uncle Z 😁 kept it interesting all the way through and uplifting there at the end.

Greatvampire
2 years ago

A helicopter flies low overhead. Loudspeakers bolted to its metal frame thunder out: “There are no food rations for this week. To get in line next week, have your government ID and ration card ready. There are no food rations this week…” The message cycles. In the rain, a motorcycle gang is waiting. They are parked at a crossroads between cities, demanding a toll from all passersby. There are no police in view to stop them. The lead biker — a grizzled man in his forties — holds up his hand to a blue 2038 Ford Finish and grumbles, “You… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Greatvampire
2 years ago

the running man!

https://youtu.be/s-cL5FEdDfo

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Greatvampire
2 years ago

Tuesday is Soylent Green day!

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  Greatvampire
2 years ago

Not the future. The assumption is that there will be ‘enough’ of authority/organization left to keep just a brutal authoritarian regime going, usually for thematic/entertainment/story purposes in that sort of movie or tv show.

The reality of the Western Roman Empire collapse, that of the Soviet Union, the Ottomans, the Manchu Dynasty, the Mongol Empire, etc. is that authority without organization, resources, and critically manpower (men with weapons ready to enforce authority rules over and over and over again) everything collapses rapidly into either tribe or nation or Warlords. And it can happen at the end very rapidly.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

I’d add cheap, abundant, and stable energy supplies to your list.

Look at how bad Europe has gotten after just a few months of having their Russian energy supply severely reduced.

Between that and the strike 30% of gas stations in France are dry and videos are already showing people going feral.

Vegetius
Vegetius
2 years ago

Addiction is another weapon in our Enemy’s arsenal, and a big driver of our current misfortune. I am thinking of 30% THC marijuana and 9% Voodoo Ranger, and “hard” winecooler-type drinks to snare young women. “The risk of cirrhosis is 116 per cent higher for millennials who were born in 1990 than Baby Boomers born in 1951. For women, the risk is even higher. A woman born in 1990 was 160 per cent more likely to be diagnosed with cirrhosis than a woman born in 1951.” It so happens that there is a good piece up at C-C about alcohol.… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Vegetius
2 years ago

You mean like the FEDS were doing with crack in african american communities in the 80’s and 90’s?

Like i said below, do not go thru this experience of being the “other” and not learn anything.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Mr. House
2 years ago

Ha some of you are gonna get what you deserve good and hard in the future, because you won’t learn or adapt.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Mr. House
2 years ago

Cull the herd.

Mitigating factors: this used to be our country, and it wasn’t conquered but stolen while we were out to lunch. We have strong moral claims to justice, and that counts for a lot.

Now, whether it counts enough, and whether there’s still enough fight in us, remain to be seen.

Who knows. I was doom-and-gloom 25 years ago, people thought I was crazy. Now I’m optimistic in spite of what I say about current events— and people think I’m crazy. Lol.

Just my opinion, but it’s what I’m living by.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Vegetius
2 years ago

Weird. A certain ethnicity used their profits from the liquor trade to take Cecil Rhodes’ country away from him. Made him a minority shareholder interest in the country named after him! They wanted the gold and diamond fields. By the way, they didn’t invent distilled liquor, the Scots and Irish did. Then they imported black African miners because the white men pulling raw wealth out of the ground wanted decent wages for it. To top that off they wrote a book about King Leopold’s rubber plantations in the Congo. The usual psychotic fantasy, accusing Euros of what the liar’s hired… Read more »

Montefrío
Member
2 years ago

“[C]hance favors the prepared mind.” Very well stated! Organization is almost certainly a key factor in preperation for societal collapse of any degree. This has begun to become an overarching reality in the small (30 mile max) piedmont valley (in central Argentina) in which I live. This valley has a wonderfully benign microclimate, is still thinly populated and has experieced an influx of urban/suburban migrants, a mix of well-off retirees and “new age” types. As a longtime Zen adept, I finally decided that I’d be wise to ally myself with the latter group, whom I generally avoid, while remaining allied… Read more »

Memebro
Memebro
2 years ago

The fascinating thing about the Alex Jones situation is that, almost word for word, concept for concept, “conspiracy theory for conspiracy theory”, the system that he has railed against for 20+ years and characterized as tyrannical, globalist, etc, has completely destroyed the man by using all of the power and tyrannical mechanisms that he so criticized. It’s kinda like the Kanye West situation. He says something in a tweet that criticizes certain power structures, and then the ADL conspires with social media to remove his platform while screaming about their victimization. They do EXACTLY what they are being accused of,… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Memebro
2 years ago

“A credibility trap is when the managerial functions of a society have been sufficiently compromised by corruption so that the leadership and the professional class cannot reform, or even honestly admit and address, the problems of the corrupted system without implicating a broad swath of a powerful elite, including themselves.

The moneyed interests and their enablers tolerate the corruption because they have profited from it, and would like to continue to do so. Discipline and silence is maintained by various forms of soft financial rewards and career and social coercion.”

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Memebro
2 years ago

Saw a note yesterday that rang true in that I never questioned the veracity of the event until they saw fit to fine someone a billion dollars for questioning it’s veracity (yes, yes…I know).

(I also want to note that a dissident journalist covering the re-trial of the Michigan defendants for the kidnapping hoax there illustrated how jury trials “work”. Step one, put the trial on rails so that they only allow evidence that would lead to a conviction. Step two, let the jury know that the government knows where they live.)

B125
B125
2 years ago

The elites seem to be incapable of moderation which speeds up the crash. For instance, Alex Jones’ $1 billion defamation decision. It’s obviously a ridiculous, punitive, and unreasonable amount that will never be paid. As a smarter leader, I would have just fined him 10-20 million, enough to put him and his company underwater, but not enough to make it obvious that it was a sham trial against him with a sum so ridiculous that everyone knows it’s not justice. They can’t help themselves though. They have a blinding hatred of Americans (and all Westerners). Racial problems never went away,… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

“… a sum so ridiculous that everyone knows it’s not justice.” Agree, but…perhaps there is another reason aside from “not justice”. A reason more specific and believable—pure *fear*. They arrest individuals without bail, hold these ridiculous show trials, and deliver these ridiculous verdicts to instill fear and obedience in the populace. In medieval times the punishment might be “burning and the stake” or “drawing and quartering”. Today it forfeiture of all assets, impoverishment, and removal of livelihood. TPTB fear the people and the only response they know is to whip them harder—and ironically these actions will only serve to speed… Read more »

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

I beg to differ. That is a large leap to reason that extreme punishments are a result of fear. When the Merciless Parliament horrifically executed many of Richard II’s court, people far beyond the scope of the initial arrest of a few treasonous influences, the Parliamentarians were demonstrating power. They even executed Richard’s tutor, even as Richard and his wife begged on their knees to spare him. It is about humiliation found in deep contempt, not fear.

Jerome
Jerome
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

You think Catholics in France feared Protestants when they slaughtered them for sport on St. Bartholemew’s Day?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

Fear to be instilled in the people. Sorry for the in artful wording.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

I read you five by five.

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

The amount could also be a means to capitalize on the sham trial’s verdict. They accomplished three things: 1. established precedent of being guilty of inflicting emotional harm (in other words libel is the old law where harm is established and provable by damaging reputation, but Jones did not Libel anyone. His claims harmed nobody) 2. establish into the law the idea that spreading misinformation causes harm 3. establish billions as the punishment as a threat to any wealthy individual or institution who does not toe their propaganda ministry line (think Musk and Twitter or any other rival wealthy enough… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

Brings to mind your questioning of the murder rate in Baltimore. We had a friend visit from Cincinnati and he was exclaiming abut the horrible murder rate there but…that the numbers didn’t look quite right for reasons I don’t recall. This guy is like a normie of normies who was very interested in your take (as I related it) in regards to Baltimore’s number rigging. Not a great sign for the regime when even someone like this who only consumes regime propaganda is scratching their head. The disparity between their claims and reality is getting to be too much for… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

Covid was the largest example of their claims not being grounded in reality. But when you think about it so was the war on terror and 9/11. We just trusted them more back then.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Mr. House
2 years ago

Twenty years of the animated WTC 7 collapse has turned “Never Forget” into “Whu?”

Din C. Nuttin
Din C. Nuttin
Reply to  Mr. House
2 years ago

Turns out the “Patriot Act” was appropriately named. Its main function has been surveilling patriots.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Din C. Nuttin
2 years ago

I remember the scoffers (a few in Congress and conservative circles) at the time of the Patriot Act warned that every onerous proposal enacted in the Act would be used not on rag-heads, but on American citizens. I was not convinced at the time–younger and stupider.

Viola–every word of the cynics at the time has come to pass–culminating in the Jan 6 protest and the mass jailing of citizens without access to protections in law once considered the sacred right of American citizens.

Anon
Anon
Reply to  Mr. House
2 years ago

“claims not being grounded in reality” From the article linked below. I’m not the first to have said that there are some ideas so stupid only an intellectual can believe them. I can think of three reasons why. The first, the most fundamental, is the intellectual’s propensity to mistake words for things. The second reason is related to the first. It is vanity—the emptiest of all manifestations of envy or pride. The third, when we come to the most dreadful form of the illness. The person who suffers it has, in his soul, engineered a complete inversion of values, prompted… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

It’s strange to me how many people expect mad max. London was bombed every night for months. People went to the tube and slept and got up in the morning and went to work or helped with the cleanup. Outside of the hood in major cities, we see something very similar when natural disasters strike in America. Every time there is a flood, you see people filling sandbags first and then later you see random White guys driving around in their boats checking on houses to make sure nobody is trapped. Even right now in Ukraine, we don’t see mass… Read more »

EasyCo.
EasyCo.
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Except every example of yours is, or was, a country that a majority population near or above 80%.

Now, England, Europe, and the West have no majority populations and chaos rules in their cities.

jethro
jethro
Reply to  EasyCo.
2 years ago

England and Europe do have majority populations.

Effete Europe is not nearly as diverse as manly America.

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  jethro
2 years ago

I was just in England. The airport is guarded by Pakistanis. The white Englishmen in rural areas seem very docile or so economically desperate they will exchange economic revitalization packages for inviting in vibrancy. Fancy university towns are filled with seditionists (to the people and the nation). I am not so sure that Englishmen, despite being a majority, retain any of the grit. I conversed with one older guy in a small town in the northeast and made an overture to replacement. He stumbled over himself in how England is so great as a multi-cultural wonderland and how he just… Read more »

EasyCo.
EasyCo.
Reply to  jethro
2 years ago

Seen Luxembourg lately?

It’s around 50%.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  EasyCo.
2 years ago

Luxembourg’s population is about the same as Boston’s. Unlike Boston, the 10 top immigrant groups (by number) in Luxembourg are all European. #1 are the Portuguese w/ over 100K. (Followed by France, Italy, Belgium, Germany,etc.) It’s probably still not good to have more than a certain % of your population be foreign, though.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Tars: Mad max is mostly for fiction books – unless or until there’s a genuine collapse of the electric grid (by whatever means or crisis). When people’s phones and fridges die and water ceases to flow from the taps – and everyone everywhere is in the same dire straits – then you’d see mad max. As long as a crisis is localized or a sufficient portion of the population can insulate themselves, things just continue to slowly degrade. And I’d be a bit hesitant about comparing any reaction to hardship in America versus Ukraine or Venezuela. Almost no one here… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

I agree with you. It’s hard to pinpoint the start of the decline. It appears to me to start in the late 60s early 70s. But this also coincides with the massive escalation of the managerial state which has imposed MASSIVE costs on society.

Regardless of the actual start of decline, we are well into it and it will continue unabated. Where or when (or even if) it will break nobody knows, but my guess is the federal bureaucracy and or state bureaucracies. The most expensive and useless things will go first. We will continue to grow poorer.

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Reference the critical inflection point — propose the 1960s. I’m a boomer born the year of most births for that cohort. Looking back, I recall that I never really liked or felt I had much in common with either the leading (‘46 to ~ ‘55) or trailing (~’55 through ‘64) subtypes of that demographic. The discomfort I felt was based on a constellation of “bad” traits I later recognized as critical ingredients of their character. They included: Selfish Self absorbed Self-righteous Entitled Intolerant Irreverent Petty Vindictive Disrespectful Dissolute Destructive Perverse AND Perverted …. Then there are snooty, conceited, loud, rude,… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

The rot is real.
In another age I would have attributed to “socialism” and that the tuning of the economic incentives would straighten it out, but this goes beyond that. It’s African levels inattentiveness; these people could be starving to death and still be unable to put together a two sentence task list that would get them food.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

You mean the Road Warrior. Mad Max, the first movie is a surprisingly realistic collapse film, shortage , breakdown in law and order, lower quality of life getting lower each year . Even Max’s car was made of scavved parts Even in all that people still went on vacation , ate ice cream from the ice cream shop and tried to live a normal life. Till they couldn’t I’d argue we are at Max Max 0.7 right now If we have a nuclear exchange which I fin unlikely then you get the Road Warrior or Thunderdome maybe. As for voting,… Read more »

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

A lot people expect Mad Max or some type of violent chaos because our leaders are trying so hard to make it happen. They are intentionally ruining our food, energy, and currency. If they collapse – it will be Mad Max time.
Most people in the west have never missed more than one meal. They also never spent more than an hour or 2 in the winter without heat. Cold and hunger rapidly makes people desperate and violent.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Wait a week or so Tars. I believe the Russians are turning off the lights in Ukraine. We’ll see if such events does not cause a bit more unrest.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
2 years ago

A good indicator of collapse is birth rates. America’s rate is well below replacement and dropping. It takes trust, between husband and wife, but also among the extended family, to conceive and raise a child.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Jack Boniface
2 years ago

That’s among every developed country too. The only white pill is the conservative ones are the people having more kids, and that trend is only going to accelerate with right-wing quiver-full type movements. We’re going to see a mass scale experiment to see how genetic one’s politics is, and how resilient it is against unprecedented social engineering.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jack Boniface
2 years ago

Jack Boniface: It also requires trust in one’s health care system and belief that any child will have a chance of a decent future. I never knuckled under to doctors’ presumed expertise, but I can’t imagine being a new mother today contemplating the endless number of vaccines the medical field now requires for infants. I wouldn’t trust them not to contain mRNA or other substances at this point – same reason I almost never got the flu vaccine and would not now consider getting the shingles vaccine. As far as trust in the future – well, there’s always normalcy bias.… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

You can still forego any vaccine, the only hard part being finding a doctor who will have you as a patient due to heavy financial incentives in getting vaccinations on time.

Used to think the ultra-crunchy anti-all-vax people were nuts. After covid, not so much. At our house we give the core ones they gave in the 1980’s when they are older. Anecdotal or not, we have had many colleagues who remarked on how their children changed for the worse after a visit with a plethora of vaccines, with either food allergies, asperger symptoms, or chronic illness.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Chet Rollins: Same. My daughter-in-law didn’t take the vaxx and would never allow it for my grandson, but unfortunately still trusts all the others. I totally agree with you – give the main ones that used to be required before the country went insane, and give them later and space them out (why would anyone trust a medical profession that delights in jabbing 3 or 4 chemical concoctions in an infant’s legs within moments of each other?).

B125
B125
Reply to  Jack Boniface
2 years ago

European fertility rates are remarkably similar across the world. They seem to range mostly between 1.4 and 1.6. Germans are pretty low, around 1.4. On the other hand, Czechs, Danes, and French are around 1.7-1.8. Southern Brazil is between 1.4 and 1.5. Russia is probably 1.4 or 1.5. US Whites are 1.58. UK is around 1.5 too. Canada has a low fertility rate with no ethnicity data. By proxy, it appears that our low birth rate is due to mass Asian immigration and Whites are probably right around 1.5. Conservatives have far more children than liberals. It’s not great, and… Read more »

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Jack Boniface
2 years ago

Yes. That was an incredible point. That trust was exploited and used against us. Our success is going to depend upon us extending trust only to those within our group, and a major challenge is going to be to be very judicious and wise in extending trust to out groups when and only when it suits our interests and if exploited having minimal cost or even giving us strategic advantage. I think that no-fault divorce, favoring women in the divorce settlement and #IBelieveHer undermined trust between men and women in a major way. It also ruined incentives to couple and… Read more »

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

One hundred percent yes. Feminism has been disastrous for both men and women and all but ruined the bonds necessary for marriage and child rearing. Overcoming this will be crucial for rebuilding our society.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

I’d say feminism has been just as catastrophic for women. What strikes be almost every day is how unhappy so many women are with their lot.

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  Jack Boniface
2 years ago

The new trend is vasectomies! https://apnews.com/article/abortion-us-supreme-court-health-vasectomy-st-louis-15237be60e36bf9f99b3b54a2291692d My 42 yr old son has three children (8 1/2; 7; 4) and has been mulling a fourth! His wife (33), who also has a demanding home business, but is vocationally a homemaker, is nevertheless run ragged by all this and Catholic or not is not so enthusiastic, but neither of them will have surgery. And yet childless women abound, even here in rural Argentina, and now 31 yr old USA truck drivers are voluntarily choosing sterility. As a launchpad boomer (1946) born and raised in NYC, I never thought I’d live to see… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Montefrío
2 years ago

Fatherhood took a fatal hit with the advent of Feminism and birth control—it just took a while to expire. As the saying goes, “Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?”

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Jack Boniface
2 years ago

Birth rates are plummeting in the US because it costs parents one billion dollars to raise a single child.

Or so I’m told. Better to keep the women in an office pushing paper and writing emails noon reads so they can get a small paycheck and consoooom.

NoOneAtAll
NoOneAtAll
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

“Birth rates are plummeting in the US because it costs parents one billion dollars to raise a single child.” Youre right that is the new conventional soy wisdom… and yet I know people personally that successfully raised large familes for the median household income or less (which should be mathematically impossible) and their children were not wanting and lived normal suburban middle class lives. The kids cost six gorillion dollars thing is just (((media spin))) to surpress white birthrates combining with the status seeking behavior of the worst sort of female status conscious striver… b-b-but if we had more kids,… Read more »

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

5k or 10K per year when lots of jobs pay $12 is not going to work in an urban society . If we don’t have a large enough range of jobs to lift people up economically than you won’t get quality kids Shocking large numbers of people make little money . I mean the nations largest employer is Walmart Till that is fixed and wage arbitrage is stomped, you can’t even try to get fertility up. 100% of nothing is nothing And welfare state aside, Europe is in the same boat , jobs pay better but unemployment is high and… Read more »

BriCon
BriCon
Reply to  Jack Boniface
2 years ago

The covid shots are also doing a number on birth rates.
Spontaneous abortions are way up for ‘vaccinated’ women.

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

Societal modeling exists, is very mature now, and is not a trivial thing. This does not mean it’s 100% accurate in prediction, but you would be foolish to ignore its analysis. Pent up rage is a real thing, and it will reach a point where explosive release is inevitable. It will be contagious and spontaneous. Most people will take to the streets in protest against government lying and failures. In the big cities, some of these protests will devolve into riots, wanton violence, looting, and casual murder and mayhem. Police will be overwhelmed in hours and the national guard will… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

That is if the authorities don’t riot first themselves. Look at 2020, what were those riots other then to get in front of the people who were going to protest the insane policy being pushed by .gov? And how quickly they went away as soon as the desired result was had.

Melissa
Melissa
2 years ago

The Covid madness introduced another level of self destruction.
When our neighbor who is a card carrying member of the cult emerged from his home after hiding in fear, he had doubled in size. He must have spent the entire time chowing down while on covid death watch. He was an average size guy before but is enormously obese now.
They did sneak out under the cover of the night to remove the “Resist” bumper sticker shortly after the Biden insertion. The funny thing is, they left the “Vote against hate” sticker on their car.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Melissa
2 years ago

I know it makes me less than a moral person for saying this, but whatever horror is bestowed upon that person it is fully deserved.

NoOneAtAll
NoOneAtAll
Reply to  Tired Citizen
2 years ago

My neighbor is a monkey pox vector, he mows his yard with a mask on and unironically has a NATO flag in front of his house.

Go war machine yeah!

He and his friends are certainly welcome to enlist as some of todays PRIDE! neurodivergent warfighters but they seem content with the flags for some reason.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Melissa
2 years ago

Enjoyed the story about your neighbor, Melissa. Pardon the pun, but there’s a delicious irony in someone cowering in fear over Covid while demonstrating no concern about the health detriments of overeating.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

Especially given that obesity is the one thing that can actually make covid dangerous for a younger person.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Ploppy
2 years ago

Yes but exercise is hard, wearing a mask isnt. Mask might not do shit but the feelz man the feelz!

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Ploppy
2 years ago

And I suspect the reason for that is that adipose tissue sequesters vitamin D (I know, I am a crank about this.) The goal is to get to 40–60 ng/mL (100–150 nmol/L).

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
2 years ago

I can’t say I disagree, but you have been a real bowl of cherries lately.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
2 years ago

I have read some articles lately from regime sources predicting what might happen if Trump is re-elected, Trump and his Trumpists will cause major chaos in about every area of the regime is the answer from what they are writing. Which means they are projecting what THEY intend to do should the orange man win. I honestly don’t think the orange man is a real threat to the managerial state or ever was actually but they think Trump and Trumpism is the second coming of Hitler. Therefore we may accelerate the collapse in this decade faster than some of us… Read more »

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
2 years ago

This is actually the main reason why I wanted Trump to win. It will skip the bullshit and get us right to the point where true separation from the agitators and rotten sociopaths will actually start to happen. The urban chimp out would basically destroy what’s left of the cities, but it is a necessary price to pay to eventually get to where we need to be.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
2 years ago

“I honestly don’t think the orange man is a real threat to the managerial state or ever was actually but they think Trump and Trumpism is the second coming of Hitler.” I’m not so sure the top players in the managerial state genuinely think that Trump and Trumpism represent the second coming of Hitler; I suspect those players merely want as much of the public as possible to think that Trump/Trumpism = Hilterism. Trump has been fashioned as the managerial statists’ Emmanuel Goldstein (the despised enemy of Oceania in Orwell’s “1984”). They use him to whip up animosity on the… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

I deeply suspect the “fall” of Trump was related to his lack of political experience in the *uniparty*. He was an unknown quantity, whereas all candidate for the “top spot” had previously played the game for decades.

He was early on expected to toe the line and was approached to do so—and did not, or at least did not adequately signal such submission. Thus there was panic and a great movement to eliminate him—which continues to this day.

If this sounds cynical, so be it.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

His attempt to reform the crony cartel corporatism known as ‘free trade’ earned him the scorpion people’s eternal hatred.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Horace
2 years ago

That Dolchstoß thing? It wasn’t just a legend.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
2 years ago

The riots of St. Floyd showed the true power dynamic of this country, where ferals were allowed to run rampant with net to zero repurcussions while the police forces were neutered from doing their jobs in fear of retaliation and show trials if they lay the law down the law on the wrong person. Then when a few whites decided to try to restore order, they ruthless hand of the law that turned a blind eye to looting brought them to their knees. The same thing happens in the information age, where certain parts of social media can talk about… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

“The guards, in these cases, are not ignoring everyone, but just people ithat are favored by the ruling class. For the ruling class, the system works, even if it’s an unbelievably unjust system for the majority of heritage Americans. ”

This will get a lot of down votes, but have yinz guys ever considered that this is what it felt like to be the “others” in america for a long time and we didn’t notice because it wasn’t us?

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  Mr. House
2 years ago

I’m an “other” in South America, where I’ve lived for the past 18 years, as well as having been an “other” in North Africa, where I lived for 3 1/2 years in the early ’80s. I’m a polyglot, so it was easier for me, but upon reflection, I’ve realized I was an “other” in the USA as well. I’ve noticed that being an “other” has its advantages, as “POC”, etc., are now noticing in the USA and Europe. Change “other” to “exotic” and it’s a whole new ball game.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Mr. House
2 years ago

There’s no argument that the “others” weren’t treated unfairly in the past. In fact it strengthens the argument that a better society is one where you have no “others”: underprivileged or over-privileged.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Ploppy
2 years ago

Exactly, if i lived near you i’d buy ya a beer.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 years ago

I dunno, Z. I think Leftie is playing with fire. Things may start slow but they pick up speed exponentially, not linearly. I can’t help feeling that when Normie comes off that couch… it’s gonna be emties, cheezies, and hot lead and brass everywhere, in all directions…

Mis(ter)Anthrope
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

I think the over the top reaction to J6 is to scare normie enough to prevent this scenario. Will it work? I think it will for a while, but if/when it reaches the point where people realize they have nothing to lose, it may play out as you suggest.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

Normie ain’t getting off the couch until the sportsball broadcast goes dark and the grill runs cold.

Sand Wasp
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

Normie is a fat lazy piece of shit who deserves everything he gets.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
2 years ago

Zman makes a very important point – one which I’ve been pondering more of late: “We do not think of social trust as a part of the poverty equation, but in realty it is the key component of social happiness. High trust societies may not have unlimited consumer goods, but the people trust the system, because they trust one another”. This lack of trust creeps into so many different areas of life which, in the former times, would in no way have been a consideration. What the upshot of all that is remains unclear, but my family, my known &… Read more »

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
2 years ago

I know I won’t be around to see the insanity be corrected – if it ever is. I’m a pessimist when it comes to this. I don’t believe it will ever get better, but hopefully I am wrong. For me, I just want to live long enough to see the leftists get rounded up and “removed” from our society. I could die at peace knowing these rotten sociopaths got what they deserved.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Tired Citizen
2 years ago

There will always be leftists in a civilization. Unless you live in a hunting and gathering clan, there will be progressives and there will be conservatives, and then a majority of midwits and normies who just want to grill.

If we win the war and drive the leftists to the sea, then be sure that “leftists” will appear among our ranks. It is inevitable. Political life is a Sisyphean Hegelian dialectic.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Marko
2 years ago

Marko: That’s where a nationalist authoritarian regime would exert political and economic repression. That’s where a traditional and cohesive society would utilize shame and ostracism. That’s where expulsion and exile come into play.

Any future homogeneous society that doesn’t have the fortitude for such measures is destined to fall in the same way as our historic one did. No equality, no ‘inherent rights.’ When it comes to dissent from lessons learned through hardship and tragedy and collapse, let alone the discarding of morality and truth, the only answer is power and will to use it.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
2 years ago

You know you’re in a societal collapse when that black Supreme Court lady Ketanji, whatever her name is, says she can’t define a woman, and the whole room doesn’t bust out pointing, laughing, and ridiculing her.

Monty Python's Editor
Monty Python's Editor
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

End justifies means, part 999.
The attention span of the typical person has shrunk to the point where events like ‘define a woman’ go in and out of public consciousness during the news cycle.
There is always another outrage, distraction or benign item to replace what was hot for a day or two.
At a predictable point, there is a human tendency to check out, look elsewhere, sleep or whatever besides following ‘news’.
Riding that wave takes some skills and resources, along with infrastructure control.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Wolf Barney – Ketanji might have at least asked for help with the definition from the wise Latina.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

You know you’re in societal collapse when anybody named Ketanji gets within a mile radius of the Supreme Court except as a defendant.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Yeah. The stuffing of the SCOTUS is a great example of what we often talk about wrt AA and elevating mediocrities to positions of power.

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Excellent point. So did Matt Jordan or Josh Gaetz or Jim Hawley, ro whatever their names are ‘own’ Kejantae by asking the question? Nope, she owned them by answering it in her ridiculous way, and daring them all with her manner to recoil or laugh, knowing full well none of these congresscritters would so much as raise an eyebrow.

Whiskey6
Whiskey6
2 years ago

The issue with trust is you have to start from the same place. People need a common philosophical approach to the world. Since there is no state religion and many forms of Christianity differ wildly there is no common starting point from a Christian philosophical standpoint. Add in the diversity of other religions and the massive secular population and we have nothing in common anymore. At this point we are all ridding on the titanic and the iceberg is coming or has begun to do its damage it’s a matter of time before the whole ship sinks.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Whiskey6
2 years ago

Christians of varying denominations may have to set aside their doctrinal disputes to work together so that they can make it through the tumult that is doubtlessly coming. Hard times have a way of forcing compromises on people that they would not have entertained even in passing when the gravy was flowing. For folks to cooperate effectively in the worst of periods, they will almost certainly have to share some larger general values — and religion happens to be one of the best tools for facilitating and maintaining such a loose consensus. I use the word “loose” because I suspect… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

I’ve maintained for some time that 2020 was the big turning point. Between Covid and the mostly-peaceful BLM riots, many a Joe and Jane Normie began to question the honesty of the government and overall system. The ridiculous-looking withdrawal from Afghanistan didn’t help. The next shoe to drop likely will be economic. As the UK showed, the days of papering over economic problems with QE or fiscal deficits is reaching an endgame. If govts are strapped by inflation and bond markets, they’ll have to actually let the economy – and all the debt – go through the ringer. I’m not… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Stimulus checks? You’re not thinking big enough friend. I work for a “non profit” in healthcare, do you know how many of those jobs are essentially do nothing dig a hole fill a hole jobs? I’d say at least 80%. If you’re not a doctor or nurse and you “work” in healthcare, you ain’t working. And getting paid a pretty penny to boot. Now think of all the jobs thru out the private sector that depend on .gov spending six trillion each year. I think the real reason they hate russia is because russia is pointing out the emperor has… Read more »

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
2 years ago

Societies collapse. Have throughout history. Nothing extraordinary in that observation. Tainter wrote a book on the collapse of complex societies. More recently Orlov observed the similarities between the Soviet collapse and the impending US collapse.

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-ussr-was-better-prepared-collapse-us/

Perhaps the point is to see what should be salvaged and can be salvaged. As living organisms we are born, grow, decline, and die. Societies and civilizations are just more complex organisms that go through the same lifecycle.

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  Arshad Ali
2 years ago

Yep, Tainter’s book has been referenced quite a bit, both by Z and the commentariat. Today’s post is useful because it reminds us that system collapse, like the collapse of any ‘living’ system, is dynamic, beginning almost from the day organisms are born. As we are temporary, mostly narcissistic creatures, remembering Dickens is useful: “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

And we won’t inevitably get a furtive strongman like the Slavs get. We’ll get Scarface.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

And the reorganization would have been quicker and less painless if Yelsin had not taken advise from American economists on how to change over the USSR to a capitalistic enterprise.

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

I “Googled”, the phrase, “United States collapse” and I got back a bunch of images of smiling blondes with dark black men.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

Lucky!

I got a bunch of ugly white supremists with swastika tats and guns…

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

Interesting. I only get that when I, “Google”, “typical Republican.” In fact that is the only thing I Google when I don’t get back smiling blondes with dark black men.

Vizzini
Member
2 years ago

” Just as agrarian people measured wealth in land and industrial people measured wealth in capital, technological people measure wealth in control of information flows. The reason Mark Zuckerberg is richer than Bill Gates is he controls something more valuable than PC’s.”

But is this a permanent condition or an anomaly? The people who control the land can withhold the food, and Mark Zuckerberg can withhold Facebook, and we’ll see who cries uncle first.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

Farmers, in general, will never withhold food in protest of the system, or for any other reason, because farmers are not a cartel. Owning farmland but refusing to produce marketable food on it is a fast trip to bankruptcy, and will only increase the prices that other producers can charge, which them gives them extra margin that they can use to buy your land when you go bankrupt.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

I’m no farming expert, but aren’t there subsidy programs in the US that literally pay farmers not to grow crops?

I seem to remember some level of controversy a few years ago when it was discovered multiple Manhattanites were get rich from such a program.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

“because farmers are not a cartel”

Yet.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

There are Farmers and then there’s “Big Ag.” Big Ag may not be a cartel, but they certainly have a powerful lobby in D.C.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

You act as if food is never used as a weapon.

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

They also have no army to back such actions up.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Iron Maiden
2 years ago

Such an action by farmers or whoever controls the food obviously wouldn’t happen in a vacuum. The fact remains, you can live a lot longer without Facebook than without bread. Land will always be wealth. Why do you think Bill Gates is now the largest owner of agricultural land in the US?

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

To add to that, why do you think a fundamental feature of the WEF’s vision for the future is “You’ll own nothing?”

*Someone* will own the land and the physical resources. And that someone will be very powerful. They are insistent that that power will not be in your hands.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

Gates can own whatever amount of farmland he can purchase, but he can’t take it with him to NZ. If push comes to shove and Gates has no army to control and occupy such land, the people will simply use it to grow crops as are necessary.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Iron Maiden
2 years ago

The army will requisition the crops, execute the kulaks, starve the peasants and collectivize the farms.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Gespenst
2 years ago

Americans are not Russian peasants. At least I’d like to hope not.

mac
mac
Reply to  Gespenst
2 years ago

The army will end up dead on the side of the road coming to and going from the farms. This is the United States, where there are considerably more guns than people. Case in point: where I live, there are a lot of people already well into getting prepared for whatever might be coming down the pike. I was at a barber when a police officer walked in to get his hair cut. The talk got around to preparedness, and I said that there were probably a million rounds in our small town. The officer, quite seriously, responded that that… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
2 years ago

“Finland will never be poor because the Finns can count on their fellow Finns to always be Finnish.”

Well, unless their globalist elites like their party girl Prime Minister succeed in the campaign to replace the population of Finland with non-Finns.

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

It is possible that if Finns suffer economically during this period, the party girls of the world will be out on their ass. We have been lethargic in changing pols and tolerating their degeneracy because the artificial boom kept people acquiring new toys and dopamine hits. When/if that worm turns, there will be no patience for degenerates of her type.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

Well if SHTF, those melanin-Finns will have to be more Finnish than native Finns, or else they are going to die of frostbite in the abandoned cities as the native Finns escape to their cozy lake cottages. I doubt there will be strength in diversity if that comes to pass.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Marko
2 years ago

The Sun People hate the cold more than just about anything.

If the heating subsidies can be removed or turned off, I bet a substantial percentage of them would repatriate voluntarily.

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

Trust in our financial institutions is unraveling, as well. I note that the newly released inflation figures are putting the lie to the regime’s claim that everything is fine. Futures are tanking as I write. Also, there are two stories current about B of A arbitrarily closing the accounts of Catturd and Kanye West because…reasons. Another sign of collapse.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

Catturd’s account is terrible though. “Good morning to everybody except the poopy poop DemonKKKRats!” Very original.

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
Reply to  Hun
2 years ago

I’m not a fan, either (especially of Ye). But B of A’s actions are a very bad sign of worse to come.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

What’s your beef with Ye?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

Eh, there were a bunch of supposedly based Blab accounts that were embarrassing themselves over Tulsi’s flip yesterday.

I mean, I know the thirst is real, but settle down fellas.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

I remember telling friends of mine about 3 years ago that financial institutions would start closing accounts based on who you voted for. They all told me I was crazy…. And? Here we are.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Tired Citizen
2 years ago

They’ve been doing that since at least 2016, starting, I think, with burlesque performer Martina Markota. Her sin was supporting Trump while having a Russian-sounding pseudonym.

Between 2017 and 2019, Laura Loomer was banned from everything from banking to food delivery.

I could list at least a hundred others. Nobody remembers or cares.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Hemid
2 years ago

Holy smokes, Hemid.
That’s frightening.

I wonder if they’ll start trumpeting such examples ‘to encourage the others.’

David Wright
Member
2 years ago

There are cracks in the normy world where you can easily get them to doubt any information that they just relayed to you. Possibly, maybe, I’m not sure but I heard… It’s painful to watch when another one gets sick for the third time in months or gets covid again and watch them mentally twist like a pretzel to explain. Then again, never underestimate the denseness of a lot of people. A former hypnotist observed that he didn’t actually hypnotize anyone as he thought most were already conditioned in that state. When actually confronted with the fact that they did… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

That’s the thing – getting normies to really see what’s going on. One will say I saw such and such on the news etc., and I’m like, do really believe that s***? Followed by other examples.
Another thing normie has to do is ditch the American flag – it bugs me to see people with them on their house or vehicle. It doesn’t represent this place anymore, especially with the cabal currently running the show. The conditioning is almost unbreakable.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  usNthem
2 years ago

The flag thing is prevalent in my community. Almost like putting a rosary in a garden bush or bury a St. Joseph statue in your yard. It seems quaint nowadays. No real thought is behind it I suspect but nevertheless still good people on some level do it.

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

I was never a flag and patriotism guy. I put one up in 2020 as a symbol of rebellion and a stake in the ground against tyranny. We don’t know what meaning the flag has to normy, if it has one. For me, it was that, plus a message of repudiation of the rainbow/BLM/yardsign revolutionaries. Of course, now I agree. That flag represents something that no longer exists and is not coming back. We need a new flag or set of flags to represent our movement. I think it should incorporate pre-Enlightenment symbolism. This is a worthwhile project – most… Read more »

Xman
Xman
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

I was a flag guy until 2008.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

If you want to put up a flag, put up a state one.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

Is it beginning to make sense why they hate the stars and bars now? Has nothing to do with racism, that is not the symbol they’re scared of. They’re scared of an example of rebellion.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  usNthem
2 years ago

I threw mine away a few years ago. This country hates me and I hate it. Why would I want some bullshit flag in my yard symbolizing a land that hates me? The only thing I would use an American flag for now is to wipe my behind.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

Most of my co-workers have gotten 3 or 4 boosters. These people are constantly sick. They get covid every other week. I’ve had covid exactly once and I am constantly in bars because I play in a band on the weekends.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tired Citizen
2 years ago

I would add here, but not elaborate due to present flow of discussion, that what you have said has a growing mountain of studies and theory supporting such observation. The “jab” has “blown out” many an immune system. Folks in all likelihood have shortened their lives beyond any benefit initially obtained.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Why, Compsci, that’s a hurtful thing to say! You should be fined a billion dollars.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
2 years ago

I have already been worse than fined. I am the *only* one in my circle of *family* and friends that has not had a series of “jabs”. If/when they suffer such ill effects, I will suffer.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
2 years ago

Compsci, The whole “vaccine” thing smelled way off to me right from the start (probably because I was being exposed, by choice, to “misinformation”), and abominated the mRNA shots. Would not take the jab, in short. My wife, working in a Ivy, was subject to not inconsiderable pressure to comply, consequences of failing to comply being left ominously hanging in midair. I am retired, and her income was too important for this to not take the implied threat seriously, so she complied, up through one booster. Now, it became clear that the illness to which she fell victim on January… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

Regarding the Covid shot, I’ve been thinking of Mark Twain’s quote, “It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.”

LGTH
LGTH
2 years ago

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of the piece, it could be though that we are in the REVOLUTIONARY period, when Russia was TAKEN OVER by Bolsheviks though, rather than the collapse phase when they lost control. Which may come later.

LGTH
LGTH
Reply to  LGTH
2 years ago

1922 rather than 1989…

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Are you saying there may be a use for Southern frat boys after all? Who knew?

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Good point. Anarchists were much more numerous in Russia, but they hated centralist structures while Lenin established the concept of Party as revolutionary vanguard.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

The mental habits which suit action do not always promote thought. The world is not directed by long and learned proofs. All its affairs are decided by the swift glance at a particular fact, the daily examination of the changing moods of the crowd, occasional moments of chance, and the skill to exploit them—Tocqueville

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  LGTH
2 years ago

I agree with LGTH. In fact, it certainly is a Revolution. What is interesting is that both Revolution and collapse could be possible at the same time. The Bolsheviks relied upon a reality of intense poverty and disgust with the aristocracy and monarchy among the people to foist their revolution. It was relatively quick. Their regime created conditions that over the course of decades created a collapse. The Frankfurt School Revolution began about as long ago relative to our collapse as the Bolshevik’s to the Soviet’s – 73 years for the Soviets (1917-1990), 73 for the Frankfurts (1945 – 2020).… Read more »